The Testarossa is not what you think - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 27

There is perhaps no more iconic 1980s supercar than the Ferrari Testarossa. But the Testarossa has a big secret: it’s not a supercar. Oh, it has the performance in spades - but it’s actually a civilized grand tourer in personality.
That’s what surprises nearly everyone who drives one for the first time. It’s comfortable. Exceedingly quiet. It rides well. Other than unassisted steering and being wider than a full-size pickup truck, the Testarossa is an easy car to drive. Once it’s warmed up, that is.
On this week’s episode, Derek and Jason discuss all things Testarossa - from its crankiness when cold to its beginnings as a 365 BB and 512BB and its ending as a 512TR and 512M. BB has never stood for Berlinetta Boxer - how could it, when the Testarossa’s red-headed flat-12 isn’t a “boxer” engine? (It’s a flat-12, a horizontally opposed 12, or a 180-degree V-12, but not a Boxer, because opposing pistons share crankpins.)
Also, they discuss whether its BB name stands for Berlinetta Bialbero (twin-cam coupe, which would be weird because Ferrari already had a DOHC version of its V-12) or whether it was actually named after Brigitte Bardot. Then, there are the Monospecchio cars with center-lock wheels versus the later cars with two mirrors and five-lug wheels.
And then there are the inevitable comparisons to the Lamborghinis - the Miura and Countach, as well as the BMW E31 8-series and the front-engine Ferrari GTs and sports cars, including the Daytona.
The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on KZbin alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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[@MrUzi971]

I just want to let it be known: Despite the time and effort it takes to include the images/videos of the things mentioned....They are my favorite parts of videos! Please keep it up lads.

[@JasonCammisa]

Thanks, guys. We'll keep doing it, of course. But we have to have SOMETHING to complain about. Otherwise how could we possibly be curmudgeonly about spending an hour FaceTiming with our friend?

[@nl3712]

JasonCammisa definitely keep the pics coming, they help hugely to confirm that what you’re talking about is what the rest of us are visualizing in our quarantine befuddled heads.

[@POVShotgun]

I listen to the podcasts and wind up spending my mornings scanning for the photos anyways lol

[@Jason_Quinn]

Love how Derek just rattles off the list of "365" cars. No thought, no hesitation, just boom--list.

[@nicolamatteogiani2964]

plus "Gobbone" that was left out

[@aabhinnav]

@6:12 In case someone's wondering

[@justsomeguy1141]

I’ve bought my 512 TR when I was 27 and I will never sell it. It drives beautifully (when warm), turns like a go kart, is comfortable long distance and sounds godly with a Tubi. Never had any starting issues or stall issues at stop lights. I left it parked in airport parking for 2 weeks and came back and it started on the button and ran perfectly. Great nerdy discussion!

[@two3D]

Watch Harry’s Garage where he drives his Testarossa down to his boat and hauls an outboard motor in the bonnet. That was badass 😁 edit - damn made my comment before they mentioned it lol

[@thefridgeman]

"frunk".

[@WordToMomsYo]

This realization sorta snuck up on me, but today I realized that The Carmudgeon Show has found its way to the very top of my “regular (meaning regularly airing) IG car show.” I literally enjoy these convos more than 95% of car reviews videos, many of which look the same, and many of which I don’t care for in the first place (because the hosts are poorly-informed, annoying in way or another, bad writers [if they even write at all], or any number of other reasons)... And of the competing “host-led convo/interview”-format shows, I simply find your show far and away the most appealing.. it’s super informative, the level of discourse is satisfyingly literate without being pedantic, you keep the focus on cars and this means even though you frequently talk about really expensive cars you don’t veer off into 30-minute digressions on the *other* favorite hobbies and interests of the 1% (I love to hear about old Ferraris, but please save your talk of superlative Cuban cigars and recent rare game hunting experiences in Botswana for your other KZbin shows/channels, thanks), and despite the whole “curmudgeon” conceit, you guys can’t conceal the fact that you ❤️❤️❤️ cars and you love talking about them and you appreciate the opportunity to work together doing this sort of thing, and it just comes through in your dialogue and exchanges and facial gestures and tone... And that makes this show that much more enjoyable to consume. Please keep up the good work.. The world needs more Carmudgeons. 💪🙏🏼🤙

[@S8ER]

Loved this episode and Jason I saw your R&T article about "Why Your Car Isn't as Fast as the Magazines Say". Brilliant!!!

[@DIglas1981]

Thanks, mate, reading right now...

[@dougrobinson8602]

A good article, and I absolutely detest the worship of 0-60 times by keyboard ninjas and sim addicts. Manufacturers care way too much about the holy number, and gear their cars to hit sixty with one (in some cases none) shift. That makes a car virtually miserable on a tight twisty road, or even an intersection. Having to downshift into first to get around a tight bend should be a crime, but it's necessary in many cars if you want to, you know, actually accelerate out of said bend. Next pet peeve is a top gear that is only minutely longer than the next lower gear. Germans are public enemy number one when it comes to this. Give me tight ratios, then a nice long top gear for relaxed highway cruising, and possibly better mileage and engine life. Carmudgeonly rant over.....

[@evalonious]

Where can I find the article? R&T archives?

[@RickOAA]

My dad got me a Testarossa model when I was a kid. It was my first model kit. I didn't like how it turned out so I blew it up...just as he came home from work.

[@mpicanza4491]

Once again, fantastic conversation. Thank you. Many years ago I was bought a Ferrari Driving Experience day which involved a Testarossa, 328, Mondial on a tight UK circuit. I came away utterly shocked because the car I would have bought if I had the money was the Mondial!!!! Testarossa and Countach where Athena Posters in my bedroom... for reference I was riding a Ducati 748SP at the time. On a tight circuit, I was most disappointed by the Testarossa, the weight transfer under heavy braking was scary! Thank you for clarifying why you should never drive your hero.......... Best videos on KZbin by the way. Keep them coming.

[@bmos02]

Now I want an episode on the e31! This was a great one.

[@apostolis2939]

I think Harry Metcalfe has made it very clear that the testarossa is a very versatile grand tourer over the years, I mean it fits an outboard and 14 bottles of champagne in the front, what more can you ask for!!! edit: I saw you mentioned him later in the show, which is nice and Jason should definetely catch up with his videos! Thanks for the consistent content and stay safe!

[@philippruest5577]

Berlinetta Boxer - was already written on the number plates of t he BB prototype Ferrari presented at the 1971 Turin motor show.

[@matthiasmartin1975]

Maybe. But I heard "bialbero" from Forghieri himself.

[@philippruest5577]

@@matthiasmartin1975 Sounds unlikely Ferrari would call this 4 cam monster just bialbero, so twin cam, like Alfa Romeo's 4 cylinder. Hard to argue with Forghieri, though.

[@inPrincipleGames]

It's definitely Bialbero (twin cam), pronounced the way hyphen did. This was confirmed by Forghieri in an interview with Davide Cironi.

[@lebojay]

Not that I disbelieve you (I don’t), but it’s interesting because the 275 GTB/4 and the 365 GTB/4 (aka Daytona) also had twin cams. That’s the meaning of the “/4” in their names - two cams per bank for four cams total.

[@inPrincipleGames]

@@lebojay Hey Jay. Exactly. The letter B stands for Bialbero in all of these examples as well. I'm assuming that G T stands for Gran Turismo. Anyway, I was able to find the exact interview and reference, time stamped for ya: kzbin.info/www/bejne/q6uuf2WXmdmGl8k. Turn on subs if you can't understand Italian. They're not great, but they are serviceable.

[@inPrincipleGames]

LOL, lemme correct myself, the subs leave LOADS of context out. Basically Forghieri states that journalists at the time incorrectly labelled the car as a Boxer, and it doesn't matter how much Ferrari as a company or he himself insist to tell everybody that that interpretation is incorrect, nobody will listen. He concludes jokingly that he thinks it might be possible that they don't even believe him that it's Bialbero (funny, obviously, considering he was chief engineer at the time).

[@marcusdali3997]

I worked on the cars when they were new(TR 512). I came from a Porsche back round so I was very familiar with modifying the CIS system. On the subject of getting idle and off idle correct on that CIS. I recall needing to modify the warm-up regulator and shimming the main distributor pressure. It was really important to get the valve clearance correct also. It was much more refined than a Countach but it didn't feel as secure as good as a 930. Each had its own distinct feel. Good show

[@Jay-ww4ru]

Harry Metcalfe is such a legend! hope one day you guys could do a video with him!

[@Cylus024]

Alright, so when I own a Testarossa in the future i just use the same technique the fellas used during the russian winter. Start a fire under the car to warm up the engine. Thanks for the heads up team!

[@nirfz]

use... you can ditch the d ;-)

[@Cylus024]

@@nirfz Well right, they still do that with their tractors and tanks

[@dougrobinson8602]

Miami Vice sold more TR's than Ferrari's marketing department ever did!

[@WhiteGloveFans]

Derek’s ambivalence toward the Testarossa is interesting. I agree with Jason’s sentiment regarding this car overall, its a wonderful experience and I’m lucky to have one in my garage. In time these cars will appreciate in value, but it may take a decade or so

[@OpiceSF]

Your picture insert for the 928 is a 924...

[@benonj]

I love how Derek talks about Yuppies like they were from some ancient civilization

[@saifabdalkader9512]

BB Stands for bumblebee

[@HandsomeAlex25]

Never before have I heard someone use the word "recalcitrant" in a spoken sentence. (30:00) This is why I am here - to listen to the car geeks divulge their incredible information with diverse vocabulary.

[@milanvoncina7812]

congrats for your command of German and Italian. And fine accent with French. Rare and very enjoyable. And your car knowledge is impressive. Hats off

[@pascutia]

This was definitely one of the more interesting discussions that you guys have had. I learned a lot of history on this one :))

[@mnejmantowicz]

Loved the episode. Always learn so much. Had both the Testarossa and the Countach on my wall as a teenager. But what now I want to hear is how the Testorossa compares to the more refined 512TR.

[@mnejmantowicz]

Derek Tam-Scott Thanks. I did watch the entire thing. 😜 I guess I mean’t in more detail.

[@mnejmantowicz]

Derek Tam-Scott Awesome sauce. Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@urgetodrive]

Early Testarossas with the flying mirror and 16" inch single lug wheels are the best of the early Testarossas. The middle years were hampered with those especially annoying "mouse (safety) belts". Of course, I'm biased as I was the owner of an '86 flying mirror!

[@Alshen]

As a former owner of a 1991 348 ts with the same mouse, I agree that particular implementation of passive safety (airbags too costly, lol, for Ferrari) sucked.

[@lebojay]

Only US cars have those dumb seatbelts.

[@davidedwards7746]

I drove a lot of these cars in my work back in the 80s. The M1 was much better than the Countach, and the Countach was nicer to drive than the 512BB. I drove a Countach from LA to Cleveland in a day and a half. It was really comfortable and I'm 6'2". The highlight was listening to Jeff Beck's "Beck's Bolero" at 150 mph as the sun came up on a backroad in Utah.

[@Solu54]

I'm 61and I remember when I was a kid, there was still a sentiment that women were not as capable as men for certain things. There were far fewer opportunities then and while we still have things to work on, that Gap has closed considerably. This reminds me of the stigma of homosexuals today. Some people won't give a gay person the chance to be hired, much less the opportunity to be the face of their company. If that rang true for Haggerty, we would be missing the amazing presentations we have enjoyed so much. These guys are amazing and should be appreciated for the content and humor that they deliver. Excellent work!

[@victorszabo3866]

Good show. It was entertaining, enjoyable and very informative, but I didn’t understand why no one mentioned the real factor that made the Trstarossa so unique in that era which was the fact that it was the coolest car at that time because it was on Miami Vice. It presence was so pivotal to that show that it should have had a mention in the opening credits. That’s why it was so popular and that’s why they sold so many guys wanted to be like Sonny Crockett and the Ferrari Testarossa was one step in that direction.

[@pussygalore5947]

Great episode...enjoyed it kindly even though I wouldn't be caught dead owning a Miami Vice hooker magnet. The Testarossa was Italy's version of the Corvette - all for show and an antidote to a midlife crisis. The image preceding it has more baggage than LaGuardia.

[@dano4572]

I worked for a company that did the conversions( DOT/EPA)( Gray Market), too many different cars, but one of them was a 512 injected Ferrari, and we passed the smog test by doing two large plenums above the throttle bodies and propane-powered the car and it passed the EPA" drive test "on the dyno!!! "Sun International" "Those were the days". Dano

[@Dtamscott]

Super interesting, thanks for sharing!

[@WordToMomsYo]

I’d love to hear more about your experiences! Sounds like you’d have some really interesting anecdotes to share... 😉

[@karacop78]

I used to have multiple Testarossas on my sleeping blanket as a kid. Not to mention Miami Vice. Hard to find a car more iconic than that.

[@Shredmo]

Confused by the rebuttal of Derek's fantastic 80's assessment. at 36:40 the car pictured is a 924, not a 928. Also, it is pronounced Porsche, not Porsche. ha ha! Not to bust balls. Every episode, I find Derek increasingly more intelligent, from an automotive perspective. Always learn something. Would not be watching this if it weren't for Jason. Kudos.

[@t44tqtro]

At 36:24 when the 928 was mentioned, you showed a photo of an early 924.

[@thethresh]

"recalcitrant" and "milieu" You definitely can't accuse these guys of dumbing their show down. Always great!

[@marcnobel3938]

Two Words: MIAMI VICE

[@nl3712]

Marc Nobel sonny crocket; and ricardo tubbs

[@marcnobel3938]

@@nl3712 Yea - and still one of the best Intros for a TV Series. :-D

[@jonasarche]

Thank you guys! Great stories and great info as always!!

[@DIglas1981]

I have a chance to see people like me and my daughter's godfather talking about cars. Hahahaha that's amazing! Even that we, me and my friend, never have drove or even saw these kind of cars in real life... Brasil it's so delayed in car terms...

[@TheFlunu]

Hey guys, do you have any recommendations on books regarding the design and development of the cars on your shows? Where the hell did you get the books on the New Stratos? Love the show!

[@Bighand4]

I have a Larini exhaust on my Testarossa. Capristo is also great!

[@brianward6291]

LOVE this show guys - keep it up!

[@johnmccrae2824]

Ditto you guys are great. Magic chemistry.

[@ILCapo-mo5jj]

The testarossa was born a grand tourer. Only some distant admirers may have mistaken it for a sports car. In its time, you drove the 328 for sporty sprints and the testarossa for crossing Europe. I still drive both cars accordingly. Now, with bespoke Öhlins and Toyo R888R, the testarossa will come rather close to sports car agility. Provide the 328 with the same enhancements and it will become even sportier

[@Ahhhdam850]

Another fantastic video

[@allanlai_]

Harry did subsequently say in another video that it was probably a mistake to take the testarossa on that long trip because it ended up costing him a small fortune for lots of repairs

[@Ermy1996]

Well yes but he also drove it in the desert on extra sketchy roads which doesnt help, and put an outboard motor in it AND a bike AND cases of wine across europe. Made for a great video series tho.

[@stefangrubesic2708]

Okay you totally won me over with the door shot noise

[@ReindeerD]

Get the 2 of these guys to review cars, with their differences in opinion, it would be spectacular

[@shaunpowell7513]

D 512 was a gem great handling beast

[@rahulsudhir666]

Ooooooooo.. Jason wearin a Team Mahindra Racing Tshirt on.. Someone's tryin to get a rip in the upcomin Battista.. 🤔

[@dougrobinson8602]

Enzo to Mahindra-"You make nice tractors, you should stick to that."

[@rahulsudhir666]

@@dougrobinson8602 Wasn't that what Enzo told Ferucio and ended up leadin to the birth of the 350 GT and the Miura..? Will there be a Mahindra supercar? 🤔

[@anmolbehl1883]

​@@dougrobinson8602 its funny how many people enzo pissed off. Not just lamborghini miura, even the GT40 is born out of enzo being a bitch to other people. God knows how many other people he offended.

[@jsquared1013]

@@anmolbehl1883 it's because he was a raging dickhead.

[@JohnTallodi]

Another great video, some of the best proper car content out there.

[@gustavoflorio5383]

I think it's safe to say that this show is a top3 on gearhead podcasts.

[@DirtDude117]

Jason and I both have the same problem in that we love flawed cars. Character is what makes cars interesting.

[@DoctorDARKSIDE]

Just came to say... That thumbnail 👍👍

[@chitanya4u]

Wow! Good to see Mahindra Racing ....

[@ignacioentrocasso8171]

"LET YOUR FREAK FLAG FLY!" J. Camisa SAY NO MORE.

[@dansecord383]

The car I would buy to stare at lustfully that does not drive as it looks, DeTomaso Pantera. The Ford 351 creates a good noise/experience in it's own right but doesn't belong to the Marcello Gandini design.

[@ebauer427]

Aesthetically I think the BB is dead sexy. For 1980s supercars, the 288GTO is as sexy (if not sexier) as the BB. The Testarossa has aged well, and their affordability, relatively speaking, makes them much more accessible than a BB or, obviously, the 288GTO.

[@robt8620]

in 1984 at 20 years old i started work in London in the financial industry.At the time the 911 and especially the Turbo was the Yuppie car to own... wanna be yuppies owned the golf gti. ( Escort RS1600i were also popular. I remember the head FX trader received a Mercedes SL as a Xmas bonus !. In 1987 i moved to Zurich Switzerland again in the same industry there i met owners of 944 turbos who all wanted the 928 and above that was the Testarossa the ultimate symbol of excess at the time. In the same building was a company director who came to work in either a 911 carrera or his Merc 500 sel....

[@FlashDriveFilms]

At 45:00 the concept you attach to the TR is "sprezzatura", a sort of effortless style.

[@fmartmart8099]

I really found the Carmudgeon show to be disappointing to watch when you guys were at the table, but somehow this format makes it more engaging for me. I don't know how the hell that is possible, but I'm back on board in the age of Covid.

[@rsr789]

I'm surprised you guys didn't mention not only had wide the back of the Testarossa is, but also it's doors, when I first got in one, I was shocked how long the doors are.

[@leotam3372]

So if a 512BB is worse, is it better? Looks better to me - 512BB looks like it was an ex LeMans racer

[@victorhs258]

Awesome and insightful was derek's soliloquy on car buyers, really great, I actually played it twice, once to understand and the second time to enjoy. Thank you Derek Tam(Hypen)Scott

[@thedrivechannel83]

I love the term junk miles.

[@dougrobinson8602]

So, a 512BB is not a Berlinetta Boxer? Mind blown. I will have a difficult time removing that from my brain.

[@Lifeguruonafence]

Doug Robinson you’re not the only one 😞

[@XantoS771]

Which would would you have (only one)? The best of both the Testarossa and Countach, the Porsche 930 Turbo S Flatnose

[@coreygolphenee9633]

How is the muira that small?

[@CraigYope]

DTS- Go Lakers!!!

[@geoffsaunders4960]

The - THE!! Yuppie car in the 80's was the 911. Nothing else said "I'm a rich dickhead" better than a 911. It was THE Yuppie car.

[@chrisphoenix6564]

in 1989 the Honda CRX SiR, did 0-60 in 6 seconds, the quarter mile in 13.5, and the skid pad at 0.82...i guess its a super car...

[@torytronrud2413]

You are forgetting the mid-engined Lotus Europa from the 1960s and early 1970s.

[@dennisobrien2578]

Love and hate you both! Keep up the good work guys!

[@Lui1981hn]

How long would they take to warm up? You talking about how bad is when cold..

[@ignacioentrocasso8171]

No commets of Don Johnson Miami Vice Testarossa? Really? Jajajaja

[@Sir.VicsMasher]

My grandparents own a red/ tan 1982 308 GTS 2 valve and a light blue/ tan 1986 412 automatic, which one would you choose?

[@HemiMike]

the sound is way better than a IPhone recording. Are you using a 2 in 1 audio connector only?

[@jakubsiczek78]

Great episode, can you guys talk or do an episode of spotlight on BMW 700 ?

[@olejacobstalesen6558]

It ain't stupid if it works - and it does! I normally have to go way up on volume on the "studio"-shows you do :-)

[@benzinapaul7416]

Remember the UK press back in period said the Testarossa was clearly aimed at the US market.....they even used the size of the vanity mirror in the glovebox to prove this.....

[@qtrfoil]

The picture at 36:40 was not a 928 but a 924.

[@nickyang1143]

Can we get white board Jason to explain the boxer thing?

[@sanjaymehta6948]

Jason, come drive my Norwood TT-TR if you want one that's less of a snoozefest to drive.

[@MindDezign]

A testarosa is a large boat. I'm sure mom didn't keep that French v6 long. Great talk ,I have no interest in that boat of a Ferrari. But it was when ,Donzi racing boats had the same look.

[@rommac1907]

Harry got both TR and countach, have you tried calling him?

[@Diecastclassicist]

I’d love to see you do an episode on classic French cars.

[@stevenbarts8718]

i had to stop the video and comment. At 37:39 he calls the 928 an " abortion of a car". this guy obviously has very little seat time in one of these wonderful vehicles. He even put up a picture of a 924. he completely had the wrong picture. this shows me he knows very little about these and is talking about something he has minimal knowledge of. I had several 911 sc and now have 2 928 s4's. the 928 was a great handling, fast, comfortable car that was ahead of its time in every aspect. it was more of a GT car than the 911, but was faster and would handle better in the hands of most drivers. With some slight mods (shatktune, xpipe, etc) it is a 180mph car and will run over 100 in the 1/4. I also own a cayenne s and a cayman s so i am not a complete 928 fanboy, i appreciate the brand overall. spend some time behind the wheel of a well sorted 928 and you will never call it an abortion........

[@DoWorkExotics]

I really enjoyed this. Well done and factual assessments

[@PeteKerekgyarto]

I'd love to see an episode focused on 'facelifts'. Mechanical improvements aside, what are some examples where the revised design is actually an improvement to the original? In my opinion, most are a poorly executed attempt to sprinkle in some of the upcoming generation's design cues, compromising the cohesive design of the overall car. And what are some examples where there were enough significant mechanical improvements to outweigh the awkwardness of an out-of-place front fascia or tail light assembly etc.?

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

Way back when I was a young lad, I had a poster of a 365 BB on my wall. I still have a Burago die cast model of one. And I like learning new things. I grew thinking that BB stood for Berlinetta Boxer. Now I know! Oh! Is that an AMT Porsche 935 model kit up on the shelf behind Derek?

[@Dtamscott]

Yes wow good eye that's exactly what it is.

[@frankfraga295]

I’m so glad I found this show. Keep up the great work maybe you’ll do a clown shoe episode one day 😉.

[@sofielee4122]

I'd love to see you guys do an episode on something like a Citroen SM

[@Dtamscott]

Eric Lee we (I) discussed it at length in this episode starting at 26m50s kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5zWlpyHbJuZjac

[@sofielee4122]

@@Dtamscott oh, well shit, thank you! guess I missed one

[@josefodunga]

Jason I wonder how much they paid you for the Porsche Taycan article you did on R&T. Everyone has established that the range for that car is was greater than what they state... So much for unbiased opinion. Thankfully ISSIMI seems to be more on par with good automotive journalism.

[@martinb.770]

Whatever myth or misconception is being discussed about the TR's character and place within the supercar phalanx then, now, 35 years later, it doesn't matter: Most people will see one now and then, and for those, who have the money and urge to buy + drive a Ferrari, a TR will not be the only car in their garage. All of the cars of an era live from the contrast or similarities to the models of their manufacturor before and after on the one hand, and on the other: the image, performance and look compared to the then-current competitors. So, when it comes to the TR, this legend lives from the unmatched elegant, timeless design re-interpreting the GTB/GTS/BBi elements, while also being one of the fastest, though, not most agile, what then was the F40 the Countach incarnates the contrast, using an unknown brute and angular design language ever, more resembling the tractors with the same logo (and topped by its brother LM002) the 959 on the other hand, seemlessly morphs from the 911 and maybe "Moby Dick" predecessors All these had different ideas and engineering philosophies behind and discussing the TR to being a maybe SL 560 competitor makes no sense. Also, Maserati was no match at that time, and many other makers gave up in this era (sometimes to be re-animated with other genes and engines of new owners). Would any serious driver use the TR on a race track? No - these brand or model cups exist to give some rich guys with too much money and lion hearts but no interest in golfing a playfield, to tell each other how great they are. The TR is pretty enough to be on any car enthusiast kid's wall and serious enough to argue that it fits into the 300km/h phalanx, a combination, that many later designs fail.

[@Rsv4rr-r]

Think about it guys Enzo started off as a race car driver and most of the time when you find out what racers drive as personal cars they are sporty but comfortable, GT cars, anything really hardcore isn’t fast enough for someone who races F1 cars or prototypes so it’s a pain in the ass and a letdown compared with a race car so a GT car makes perfect sense.

[@AsinineComment]

Re. BB, air inlet, low and in front of rear wheels. I thought that teardrop (not really a teardrop) shape was a Gandini signature - appearing on a numerous prototypes and exotic cars he penned in the 60s and 70s. If so, how did it end up on a Pininfarina design? [EDIT] Duh! It's not a Gandini idea - it's a NACA scoop/inlet/duct. 🤦🏼‍♂️ I think I was incorrectly recalling that the diagonal wheelarch line _is_ one of his signature design elements - not the scoop thingy.

[@philippruest5577]

Car magazine UK clocked the 365 GT4 BB at 11.3 s to 100 mph - marginally quicker than the Countach LP400 and way quicker than the Porsche Turbo at 12.6 s in this direct comparison test.

[@BryanHoefer]

I suspect the audio issue (it is still there) is due to how you are transferring the audio to the podcast. You guys sound good on KZbin, but if I go back and listen to the same episode as a podcast, you are both quiet and hard to hear. P.S. -1 for lack of wearing a white blazer.

[@expatgringo7538]

I HAVE A GREY/RED TESTAROSSA ON HEMMINGS SITE AS OF 5/24/23

[@thetumanshow]

Only took DT-S 45 minutes to use the word visceral this time. Progress

[@coreygolphenee9633]

Can you guys just do an episode on Weber's

[@AsinineComment]

Re. Early Testarossas' odometer position. Could it have been in the console near the gearstick, out of some misplaced (pun not intended) efficiency idea? My thinking is dependent on 2 things: if the speedo was electronic, it wouldn't require a mechanical drive cable from the transmission; if the odometer did need a mechanical drive, it would be conveniently achieved by simply moving the odo to the gearchange tunnel. I know some makers were moving to electronic speedos in the early 80s. If some aspect of gov't legislation / design rules (for accuracy of mileage, related to taxes etc in some jurisdictions) required a more reliable, less falsifiable design. Happy for my wandering mind to be proven completely wrong, of course. 🙂

[@TheSpeedyGuidy]

I was under the impression that "BB" in BBi stood for "Berlinetta Barchetta". Fun little cars to drive if you're a shrimp like me!

[@dln.sweeney]

Wouldn't that be a contradiction? Berlinetta means a coupé and Barchetta means a 2 seat convertible, unless I'm way off.

[@TheSpeedyGuidy]

'Barchetta' just means "little boat" in Italian. Who knows ahah