BIRDS OF A FEATHER - The Carmudgeon Show - Ep. 28

Your taste in cars says a lot about you. We collect, covet, and drive different cars for many different reasons, but we see all kinds of different themes in people’s tastes. Some people are one-marque wonders; others chase a great driving experience or even a colorful palette in their garage.
Perhaps what makes car-shows like Radwood so incredible is that they’re brand-agnostic celebrations that bring together car enthusiasts who would otherwise not meet one another. Where else would you find someone with a mint-condition Chevy Lumina with its original sales documents laminated and on display?
Derek went to Stanford to study why people like cars, but has car-ADHD in his own tastes. Or is it that he likes a variety of different experiences? Cars, after all, are a reflection of where they’re created - in geography and culture.
It’s easy to get stuck with one marque, because the barriers to expand can be daunting: you’ll need new expertise, new friends, new parts-suppliers, a new mechanic, or even new tools. But does that mean someone who drives a Datsun 240Z can’t be interested in a 1977 Rolls-Royce?
Nope. And she should buy it - It means she’ll make new friends and form a new support-group. Making new relationships and joining a new network means that she can pass on the joy of vintage British car ownership to others. And spreading joy - not viruses - is the meaning of life.
The Carmudgeon Show is a comedic, information-filled conversation with Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott, two car enthusiasts who are curmudgeonly beyond their years. Proving you don’t have to be old to be grumpy, they spend each episode talking about what’s wrong with various parts of the automotive universe. Despite their best efforts to keep it negative, they usually wind up laughing, happy, and extolling their love for cars. Which just makes them angrier and more bitter.
Jason Cammisa is an automotive journalist, social-media figure, and TV host with over 250 million views on KZbin alone. Jason’s deeply technical understanding, made possible by a lifelong obsession with cars, allows him to fully digest what’s going on within an automobile - and then put it into simple terms for others to understand. Also, a Master’s Degree in Law trained him to be impossible to argue with.
Derek Tam-Scott still tries. He’s a young automotive expert with old-man taste in cars, and a Master’s Degree in Civil Engineering - which means he knows how to be civil to Jason. Or at least he tries. With a decade and a half’s experience buying, selling, driving and brokering classic and exotic cars, he’s experienced the world’s most iconic cars. And hated most of them.
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[@Diecastclassicist]

The Lotus is perfect.

[@8359s]

Terrbile but true: The 420hp Audi S4 B8, manual, LSD, ECU flashed, that I bought(only because of growing family) is really uninspiring thing to drive, old 944 that I sold was so much more direct and fun to drive fast...

[@rockyjordy3271]

pro trick : you can watch series at flixzone. I've been using it for watching a lot of movies these days.

[@nolanbrock6420]

@Rocky Jordy definitely, I have been using flixzone for since november myself =)

[@johnwilliammaxwell5044]

I'm almost sad that I didn't discover this podcast years after, because now I have to wait for each new episode instead of just having them all up already.

[@alexteglas476]

Same here!

[@forzaviola9512]

But if you learned something or changed an opinion because of Jason and Derek (and you did because duh), that affects you today and might shape the experiences you seek out in the future. So when you drink soda on podcast, you'll know who to blame

[@cayman9873]

Found them in march 2022. Watching 4 or 5 a day.

[@nicholasc1781]

I did and it's definitely a good time. Missed out for sure.

[@johnwilliammaxwell5044]

@@nicholasc1781 it's not too late! They're still going, they just have their own channel now!

[@zodiacmanan]

This is rapidly becoming my favorite youtube channel. God do I wait for this episode every week.

[@carstenschroder7054]

Me too. Thumbs up first, grab a Beer and get ready for their VERY interesting point(s) of view. Very refreshing to listen to americans that HAVE a clue and can actually Talk about it in a way that is fun.1 hour is way to short! ;)

[@johnmetermaid]

Hiring a teenage Jason to watch your children while you go out. Seems reasonable.

[@leotam3372]

Okay kids, let's take your dad's car out for a ride

[@johnbacon4997]

@@leotam3372 Tonight I drive a 82 jetta with 5 kids in the back

[@wesleyrice2138]

@@leotam3372 lmao

[@cayman9873]

Jason can watch my daughter. She is 28. Teach her about driving a manual please. She can do brakes and exhaust and front end parts now.

[@johnsimun6533]

Hi John and John you both have a good name. Also don’t forget about The Little Mermaid.

[@metallevts530]

Jason Derek, I suggest you two consider an episode dedicated to Subscriber's collections I mean small collections of unique cars Im not talking about Pebble Beach type multimillion $ collection from milionariies I mean normal car enthusiasts with up to 10 cars I think the audience would love your opinnions on those cars I would be happy to be the first with the following: 1972 Volvo 1800, 1970 Dodge Charger 500, 1982 Datsun 280, 1993 Corvette 40th anniversary Ruby Red, 1982 Ferrari 308, 2003 E46 M3 and a 2020 Shelby GT350 ( flat plane crank and 6spd manual) Keep up the excellent work Thanks

[@johnbacon4997]

My favorite of the cars you have is the E46 M3 and GT350

[@Petrospect]

I wonder how you reacted to Cammisa's take on the 308, I wonder what attracts you to it. 280 is interesting, want a 260 myself, more of a 240 with a discount coupon. Charger is hot. As is M3 and GT350. The way I view it you could sell the GT350/308, get a 355 and have twice the headache with half the space and the 280 is the same kinda experience to me to the C4, decadent from different sides of the world; in a good way. Shoutout to the 1800.

[@wesleyrice2138]

add Jason's Lotus Elise to the list

[@abalakrishnan4152]

4:50 Derek's disgusted expression is HILARIOUS!!

[@cayman9873]

I saw and fell in love with my first porsche 911 when I was 9 years old in 1968. It was fantastic and still is. Since then the 356 speedster is the most beautiful car in the world in my mind. Manual transmissions and beautiful curves and cool handling and noises.

[@paulbornuat5655]

Could you please never stop making these podcasts and possibly make them 3 hours long and release one every day?? I could listen to you talk about cars continuously.

[@alexabney7913]

I have watched these videos/played them in the backround and over the last 2-4 videos I e realized I haven’t hit the like button. You guys deserve all the support I can afford to give. There’s plenty of creators who I logically think deserve my support monetarily but you guys are the only ones who I want to support for reasons that go beyond reason. You both create content that really fuels and inspires my own interest in cars in a way that feels totally natural. Donut media is fun, savagegeese is precise and honest and committed to serving everyone and not just enthusiasts. But you guys are the only ones who can get me to watch an hour of your two chatting. and it’s so convoluted that I could never recap one of these to my friends but every time you open your exhaust valves you spit wisdom and knowledge and experience and passion and it’s Better than anything else in car media

[@tylerstone6846]

I'm not exactly sure why, but this episode has been my favorite so far. I'm glad the episodes have been progressively getting longer.

[@shanavlakaram4919]

I literally look forward to these every week

[@bluetoes591]

The interesting thing about the sorts of people who are into terrible 70s and 80s cars, is they're some of the friendliest, most welcoming, inclusive car enthusiasts. I'm a member of a Facebook group for these cars because the people are good people, not because I'm into Chrysler Cordobas. In fact they've really increased my appreciation for cars like that, even if I'd still never choose to buy one.

[@gon.042]

The fact that the instant association to "car chase from some movie" was "Ronin" tells me I'm where I belong. And now I'll go and watch it again.

[@scoobers90]

I've always described myself as a "car person" in a broad sweeping term. I love JDM, Euro, Muscle, British. If its engaging to drive and looks good to my eye I'm in. Love that you guys are spreading the gospel of being open to new automotive experiences!

[@VIJAYSANKAR]

The best car culture podcast!

[@romwild2]

It’s all about the smiles. The Miata gives me a visceral affirmation of my current life in ways other life experiences don’t. and it makes me a better person. Thank you both for the sense of belonging despite never having met either of you.

[@rotteneggconcept]

Best Part of This Show Derek Tam-Scott.

[@thewyattfletcher]

I've got nothing of consequence to say, but I do want to thank you guys for doing these podcasts. During a lonely time in life, during a lonely time of life, it's nice to know there are others out there that think, talk, and feel similarly about cars as I, so I feel a little less alone. Cheers guys.

[@marcnobel3938]

I love the mix of a well-behaving man with Style and Knowledge - and Jason Camisa (also with crazy detailed knowledge - not to forget). :-)

[@bogosian.]

Now my week is complete :) I hit like then I watch it

[@JasonCammisa]

Your week is complete on a Wednesday? Sigh. I have to wait until Friday for that to happen! :P

[@TomnMarion]

You have no idea how often I want to be the third host of this show. I’m always talking at my damn phone like I’m there and you can hear me. Maybe it’s lockdown syndrome? All I’m saying is that I’d bet glad to “try out” for a spot!

[@robertnelson3179]

Got to this one late sorry. Woke up this morning and had the faux hawk hair. Had to give myself a trim could not stop thinking of yours while watching

[@nathanwabre]

Thumbs up for Hudson Hornet 👍

[@kanadezosGT]

Talking about the VW vs Honda. I believe its a Japan vs Germany thing. For example, I sold my E46 and got myself an IS300. I loved my E46 and didn't want to let it go but I never had a Japanese car and wanted to have that experience. Now I am confused. I like each one, for very different reasons. The BMW right mirror tilted down whenever you put it into reverse. Also, you could open or close the windows even after you removed the key, in case you forgot. The IS300 has the right noise...I really like NA 2Js. The M57 even though magnificent, had alot of peripheral issues. That damn Lexus just wont break down!! 180000 miles on the clock and no issues whatsoever. 2 years of BMW ownership and I had to change 2 diffs, coolant tank, rear shocks and more...and I drove them both like I stole them.

[@victoralley708]

IS300 is a great car. Hard to find them now without a ton of mods or a million miles on the odo... Personally, I prefer cars that are very reliable and have lower operational costs.

[@kanadezosGT]

@@victoralley708 Yes. Everytime I feel nostalgic about my e46 I remember all of the hours I spent under it. But that is another issue. The is300 feels a bit...soulless...I can't explain it. Don't get me wrong, I still look back at it every time I park and walk away (at least twice) Also it's a wagon... But is something to be said about cars that make you feel something...even if that something is frustration.

[@jeffersonstewart2182]

Dudes. Thank you for keep making these shows. I love how lo production this show is - the other higher produced shows are also great, but it is fucking refreshing to hear people just talk, tangents and all. Re quality - sound is great. Don’t care if you fix the mic issue. My only request would be more photos of what y’all are talking about - so you talk about derek’s mx5 or miura or Jason’s lotus or scirocco show it, kinda like you did for some of the other cars. (- I understand that you said you didn’t have footage of the Nissan)

[@davevan9150]

I drive what Matt Farah once called the worst car gm ever made, Chevy HHR. He is not completely wrong, but I love it. I corrected some of the things, supercharged it, and tracked it. I was in 2 car clubs with it, the HHR club where I was the youngest, and a Cobalt club where I was the oldest.

[@AsinineComment]

My lord... 😳 I've just looked up what a Chev HHR is - and it's one of the most terrible vehicles I have ever seen.!! It's like the mutant offspring after someone psychopath put a PT Cruiser over a H3 Hummer (not that either of those vile creations is worth any humane regard).

[@davevan9150]

GM thought that the PT cruiser was so awesome they wanted their own version, even hired the same designer.

[@aaroningrassia]

Great, always entertaining to listen and watch. Thank you guys.

[@ottolohr]

Another excellent show. Strongly agree about the social aspect of certain cars. I have a weird love of early RX7s, when ever I take one out for a drive; rare not to have a really positive from people and hear stories about their experiences from the past involving one.

[@FinancialServices-ps2sg]

Thanks guys. This is one of the only things helping me through the isolation of COVID. Ben

[@jamesonpace726]

Yay! A new CarCrotchedies...!

[@karacop78]

Why do we love cars? They please our senses. We look at their beauty, hear the engine, smell the interior, feel the forces. Pure, natural dopamine. Transport capabilities are a plus, too.

[@ervin7178]

Dodge Omni GLH is the American car I want, or a cobalt ss.

[@Hildepedia]

Hell yes! SS turbo, not the supercharged one. At least for me!

[@ervin7178]

Joe Hildenbrand id have to drive both before buying but more interested in the turbo

[@paramshah6376]

Jason is the best car person on planet earth.❤❤😘😘

[@hannahcrawford9198]

Jason, you NEED an RX8. Test drive a good example! You will fall in love.

[@EatMyAK]

Okay I have a "type" first car was a 01 Audi A6 4.2L and a 79 C4 Corvette. My current car is a 17 Chevy SS. I absolutely LOVE V8 sedans. The Chevy SS just made sense to me growing up with the pushrod V8s. I know the world is going small displacements and turbos, but I could not imagine driving a non V8 sedan.

[@carstenschroder7054]

You know you are a VW guy when you can unclip the Ventilation Grills (because some insulation foam has been stuck in them) and clean them whilst driving. Or to replace the battery on a MKII Golf you need a 10 and 13mm wrench.

[@john-vy1ml]

Felix and oscar talk cars. If u get this joke u are old. Love this show

[@ch-jc1mp]

I’m super young but i named my two cars Felix and Oscar!

[@Dblyew]

I have to confess. I've never sat through an entire hour-plus-long podcast video before. Cammisa- you're fucking hilarious, dude, and it was quite upsetting to learn that you had left Motor Trend at the time it happened (The show isn't what it used to be) Derek by contrast is a completely different animal, which reminds me a bit of myself. It's great having those two personalities of yours mesh together in an automotive based program. Hats off, gentlemen! 🎩

[@francoisg3500]

Always look forward to more of this podcast! Hope everyone is staying safe!

[@thetumanshow]

This was my favorite episode so far. I am at a crossroads with my Datsun Roadster and have been primarily a German car guy and this car has taught me so much, met new people, etc and the thought of letting this one go has me strongly wondering if I want to start this process all over with a new make.

[@dansecord383]

Derek Tam-Scott car taste= Automotive Adventure.

[@dougrobinson8602]

'80's and '90's VWs will literally drive you mad. They are so fun to drive, but you are always knowing that a mechanical issue is waiting to catch you off guard. When Jason mentioned the high idle, I immediately thought of the idle air valve. That bugger was making me crazy on my GTI. BTW- VW Digifant fuel injection may be the worst injection system ever fitted to a VW, or maybe even to any car.

[@uoenoidek5130]

So excited for more work from you guys!

[@hakimdridah1711]

More videos of cars moving with both of you at the wheel please... Because it's the only thing that is missing to be an almost perfect channel! :) (after that COVID thing end of course)

[@pussygalore5947]

Yeah!...Jason & Hyphen! ...Jason's hair looking very Ed Grimley sans Triangle....would LOVE you to do a show about this Derelict trend - Although I have to admit there is a certain beauty to decay, I think it's bullshit to restore the mechanicals and/or interiors but leave the exterior looking like like a rusted old heap.

[@erenoid123]

These podcasts are cure for my boredom

[@pussygalore5947]

Jason looks like Ed Grimley without the Triangle.

[@liammaupin9492]

Carmudgen on my birthday the best present :)

[@f4st3r36]

Jason must have a Samsung washing machine - mine makes that same obnoxious tune

[@homeboy144]

"bless you" :D lmao 17:20 how Derek tried to rescue the situation

[@BlueRidgePhantom]

Another great episode.

[@GiannisChristodoulou]

I had an fn2 civic and the beeping sound every time I opened the door, or turned the key, or until I put the seatbelt on, used to make me crazy! Also I can confirm the VW vs Honda reliability/personality "feud"... Another very enjoyable episode guys.

[@frankfraga295]

Honda’s from that era always worked until the main relay stated getting hot.

[@zishansyed8905]

Every week I find myself wondering if I've missed the release of a Cammisa vid... I'm always waiting for the next one. Thanks for making these great videos!

[@GoingSidewards]

Carmudgeonly grumbles... “nogoddamstinkinmerchlink”

[@benbrown2119]

Excellent episode. My car collection is rather eclectic, but each car found me, rather than the other way around: I didn't go looking for a 1940 DeSoto, but ended up with one. I guess a topic for another day could be car collecting vs. car building.

[@danthomas9077]

I've owned 12 Datsun 620 model pickups. My first Datsun was a conversion 4x4, I've had 5 king cabs, my daily driver is my 78 king cab that I've been driving for 35 years, it's got a Buick V6/overdrive 2004r swapped into it that I did 20 years ago, it's my "daily" because it's a blast to drive! I've never owned another brand/model of Japanese car/truck except for my 2006 Toyota tacoma quad cab 4x4 that I bought new, drove it for 9 years and sold it back to Toyota cause I really didn't like it and they gave me an offer I couldn't refuse. I've pretty much been a one-marque man when it comes to Japanese vehicles. As far as American cars go I've owned 3 Chevy's a 1972 and 73 Camaro, and a 68 1 ton truck. For mopars I've owned 3, a 1969 Coronet R/T, a 1970 Valiant, and a 1969 coronet 4 door. Datsun, Toyota, Chevy, and Dodge/plymouth is all I've ever owned. Motorcycles, I've owned the big 4, Yamaha, Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Honda.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Little surprised Jason wouldn’t want a GT350.

[@tymwalt]

JC is the color commentator. DT-S is the analyst. Imagine them calling Pebble Beach as the cars passed by.

[@pepikkrul4296]

I think episode about where to find knowladge about classic cars would be very interesting :D

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Always so interesting listening to you guys - smart - knowledgable - didn't know that Jason went to school in Germany - which explains his affinity to VW a bit - who likes a Scirocco that much over here? Keep them please coming Post Corona!

[@rommac1907]

I think Jason is trying an hommage at Tintin with his hairs...

[@LaFritePerreGoat]

the get of my lawn thsirt is amazing

[@LamboGallardo560]

I've always been a car enthusiast but wasn't involved in any kind of car "scene" or community until my mid 20's and was only able to last 2 years at most in anything brand specific. It just gets so dull and I find the opinions in those groups to be very close minded and holier than thou. The only two types of events I enjoy anymore is Cars and Coffee and track days. You get all kinds of people in every type of car, and for the most part it's people that realize the point of being an enthusiast is loving something, not hating a barely different version of their own thing. Sadly that attitude is rare these days

[@HuyBui-do6xm]

Your final point was summarized in your opening song, Cammi. Very clever. You did that without a Stanford education. 😉

[@domdrty]

Tools are easy. You buy a basic set of wrenches and sockets. From there buy tools when you need it.

[@JDsHouseofHobbies]

A perfect song for this show; Depeche Mode's The World in My Eyes. Oh, my son needs Jason's T. He loves Lotus' and he hates everyone as well.

[@cayman9873]

I need to polish my old lancia wheels and use them as art

[@archimedes298]

You never get lost when driving a Compass.

[@HandsomeAlex25]

That guy rding in Jason's always-needs-something 1980s VW sounds like me. I'm spoiled by being raised in a Honda family, where cars run in spite of maintenance, rather than because of it. I don't know that I could tolerate a vintage car and all of it's constant needs. Like they are saying, there's a huge learning curve when switching communities. Like I'm comfortable with my FR-S's rattles and squeaky clutch and probably dying throw-out bearing, but the smells and noises of Jason's VW would probably freak me out for a bit of time.

[@kostamojen2774]

I must be crazy, can't find the link for the merch...

[@abalakrishnan4152]

Anyone who watches Jason and Hyphen is crazy, which means I am crazy too.

[@amancalledjoe]

Man, I could really go for a Coke right now

[@johnsimun6533]

Sometimes you have to turn right, to go left.

[@joeleonard9965]

It shouldn't be overlooked that every video has the most positive comments section of any channel I watch. Keep going guys! [Please don't move to spotify though.]

[@wesleyrice2138]

the lotus with IH8ERY1 plate looks strangely familiar... I-280??

[@jithesh51423]

22:30 hahahah broken down civic!!!!

[@fedemav1]

love this show, i leave a subject for a new episode, the rigth color for a specific car, sorry for my english, regards from uruguay!!!!

[@SirPierreSe]

Nother great episode, it feels like we really got to know Derek in this episode =)

[@VWsEatRice]

the door open chime on the scirocco is the same as when the fries are done at jack in the box

[@Topsnap_Podcast]

Mr Jason.. Where did the Chevy SS video you did with Randy Pobst go?? I can't find it on KZbin.. BEST VIDEO EVER!!!! #holdencommodoressv

[@patricklay7164]

Topsnap Podcast I believe you can see on motortrend channel if you pay your monthly fee. I agree one of the best videos.

[@Topsnap_Podcast]

@@patricklay7164 it used to be on KZbin for Freeeee.. and I had the Motortrend channel for 2.5 years Over it

[@mikekubr]

You both love the 240Z but for $25k, how does it compare to a 987.1 Cayman S or another much newer sportscar at the same price point?

[@salvadorpenilla6684]

Love you guys!

[@miguelrivera5791]

if the outward appearance of your headphones bother you run the cords under your shirt. or get bluetooth headphones.

[@theshawnofficial6180]

Omg you talking about buying a washing machine because of the beep boops it makes its literally my exact experience with one of my co workers who bought a car because of the noises it makes like that.

[@kadorikrunch]

Jason has a law degree? Holy snot!

[@Strike86]

Can we put Derek on the left and Jason on the right next episode? Their personalities would match left/right brain asymmetry better.

[@originalweedy]

yall need to get your hands on a turbo toyota 1j/2j car with a nice exhaust on it. If you love IL6 sounds

[@HuyBui-do6xm]

Sebastian the crab for the win! Unda da sea!!!! Unda da sea!!!!

[@JasonCammisa]

Daahling it's bettah, down where it's wettah, take it from me!

[@ericokompatzki7110]

Ahhh the IB Diploma projects and papers... So much time went in there... Hahaha

[@darksideemt]

I can’t stand single minded car people, such as “Mopar or no car” crowd. I’m not saying you can’t have a preference or gravitate towards a particular brand, but you should appreciate them all. In the past couple months I traded my 17 mustang gt for a new 19 C7 and my wife just traded her 18 SXT plus challenger for a new 2020 LT1 Camaro. I am very diverse in the the cars I like or don’t like and don’t limit myself to experiencing only one kind. I feel you miss out on a lot when you do that.

[@DoctorDARKSIDE]

18:04, yes please!

[@benstake5490]

Vin at hoonigan said it best I think. It's not car add. Its carmitment issues.

[@Trendyflute]

*Jason:* Watch The Lion King, it's Hamlet with talking cats! *DT-S:* Do a Nash-Hudson episode! Throw in some studebakers too, y not??

[@Trendyflute]

LOL my uncle drives a 77 Rolls Royce. It's the car he and his partner take to go antiquing, or to go to gala events where they donate said things they get while antiquing to...causes.

[@rickyho2140]

Nowadays with Facebook groups for certain make/model. It's a lot of easier to find certain guy with the special knowledge or find that special guy with that speedo sensor in the middle of the desert.

[@AsinineComment]

I'm certain Derek has never bought - or even considered - a Strayan car. In the last coupla years the last of our car companies shut up (its selling) shop, having ended the actual manufacturing aspect back in 2017. Granted, our automotive highlights were few and far between - and mostly inspired by elements of the Seppo* industry, with some influence from England and Germany. Still, some interesting and distinctive creatures did evolve at times. In the 60s and 70s, Chrysler, Ford and Holden (GM) created some performance cars that _might_ hold some appeal. Later, in the noughties, a handful of reasonable performance sedans provided some amusement. 🤔 Now I think about it, Derek hasn't really missed much. 🙄

[@ebauer427]

trying to decipher the taillight easter eggs on the Lotus t-shirt. outside-left: no idea inside-left and inside-right: frenchie or pug dogs? outside-right: looks like cesar romero's joker OR it's adam sandler ...i am probably WAY off on these. but i love the design of the shirt. the "T" in Lotus is very clever.

[@tymwalt]

I love Mercs 2002 & under b/c you can get fantastic cars at a great value. If I had more $ I’d expand.

[@deathcab4booty]

If you look at the Mazda Navajo's wikipedia page it looks like somebody had a stroke as they were typing it

[@nealpugh5319]

Holy handgernades that wiki page is messed up. But why were looking at a Mazda Navajo?

[@jamesbondo5895]

Hehehe Jeep Cumpiss

[@puddud4]

Jason and Derek have ADHD? I really shouldn't be surprised this makes perfect sense