The TF2 Sentry Gun vs The Overwatch Turret

[@Toofty]

Genuinely had to ask my primary school teacher wife to help with the maths EDIT: - The new torb turret cannot be upgraded for those of you unaware - I was going to discuss the old torb turret but I decided to remove that part to make the video more concise - The Wrangler can indeed increase the range of the Sentry but I decided to focus on the gun alone

[@sx86]

toofty is a verly good maths mane

[@thewitchking2556]

Great vid: imo sentry wins bc the mini sentry is comparable to the turret as 100 metal is basically free. And people intentionally go for level 3s whereas mini is good for other situations. Also engie has TONS of buildings that greatly help out maybe even more than sentry. So engie and sentry win but battle engie loses to thicc dude bc he is better at battling with all that hp. Pls heart toofy!

[@catherinevo6060]

TooftyTV xD

[@David-kt9jz]

I found the average health of an overwatch hero is 275 which is an effective 2.2 health which means that the sentry which means that THATS ALOT OF DAMAGE.

[@David-kt9jz]

*not effective health ratio of health

[@funnymememan2142]

You used a big ammo box to refill 18 metal, you bastard.

[@arkham9500]

As long as there's a dispenser i'm ok with that, plus is no like a scout taking full medkit to restore 10 of his health

[@comrademuds1951]

@@mealvy just cause he has priority doesn't mean he should be inefficient

[@friendlyfire2615]

Priority over ammo boxes is not taking an ammo box someone else could’ve used while he could’ve just built a dispenser and waited 5 seconds.

[@RF-Ataraxia]

@@friendlyfire2615 the level 1 dispenser takes longer to produce 100 metal than the ammo box to respawn tbh

[@udjagrthrth8213]

@@friendlyfire2615 Dispensers produce infinite ammo without cooldown, you have to wait for the metal in a dispenser to refill. So while yes he probably should've just made the dispenser, he also should've still taken the big box after since the disp would produce the ammo for all the other classes

[@errousmasterofchaos69]

But your missing one thing Can torb insta kill someone with a banjo

[@CBRN-115]

Or rancho relaxo?

[@sBinnotto]

Or Gunslinger?

[@ConsarnitTokkori]

or a revenge crit

[@evanellis9178]

He spams “You should try me meatballs” Which is just as good

[@merica6640]

Or ride a jackhammer?

[@whammeister3002]

9:35 "Your sentry gun is the front lines" Uncle Dane anger intensifies

[@Krackerlack]

ancke dan is very gud sentry man

[@brna42]

ankle dane + anger = danger?

[@zombiefanatic4833]

"What the hell Purple we need a defense!" Purple: "I AM THE DEFENSE"

[@AnArbiterAwakens]

Zombie Fanatic it’s “lazy what kind of defense is this!?”

[@fedorflip]

Love how Toofty explainedthe overall role of torb's turret in almost the same exact way Uncle Dane explains the role of a lvl 3 sentry

[@ChaosCha0s]

The only thing tobjorn can make is a turret He can’t make dispensers or pootis pencer here He can’t build teleporters And he doesn’t have PHD’s Engineer is clearly better

[@katt646]

He has a daughter with daddy issues as he loves his turrets more.

[@mm-hc6im]

yes

[@mertsoup9113]

He can't build teleporters because that is another class's ability

[@picklechicken8396]

@@mertsoup9113 she doesn’t build them she just places them. Vishkar probably works ages to make their things, while engi just smacks stuff with hammer.

[@kiloklavdi1185]

@@picklechicken8396 *wrench and engineered hand

[@milx7210]

Low HP: scout: 125 hp Baseline: engie: 125 hp *seems legit*

[@SilverNerf]

? Not using the gunslinger

[@HanzTheODST]

Baseline is 150-200

[@milx7210]

@? nah, engie should have 125 and gunslinger give him 150 hp and slight resistance to explosives and bullets

[@cimex7492]

Last time i checked 200 in ow is frail

[@eh2587]

Dont most classes have 125 hp and are still soft classes? Scout, spy,sniper aand engie have 125 (4 out of 9 classes) Medic has 150 (1 out of 9 classees) ,demo and pyro have 175.(2 out of 9 classes,) ,soldier has 200 (1 out of , 9 classes) and heavy has 300

[@mr.brokendreams9721]

Sentry Gun has low range you say, *LAUGHS IN WRANGLER AND RESCUE RANGER*

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

@Sightless_Seeker until ya ain't havin any gun. But what do we use, if gun doesn't work?

[@benjamincontrerastorres4018]

@Sightless_Seeker the engie already answered that question... "use more gun" .

[@silvorthegrand6976]

YEEEEEEEE

[@sierraapples8099]

Beacuse Tf2 map is smaller than overwatach

[@docsynth4387]

I HAVE THE POWER!

[@waddarf4628]

In conclusion: Don't mess with engineer and his sentry

[@randem_6503]

Wad Darf “you best hope I’d not point it at you”

[@cinex20]

"I told you don't touch that darn thing!"

[@egorence2149]

do not even get into the sightline of sentry if the engie has the frontier justice

[@v.e.g.athesentientintellig2333]

Spies: *HON HON HON HON!*

[@walterheisenbergwhite6034]

Even if he has the wrangeler.

[@Perjoss]

I wish -Mei- Overwatch heroes would explode into gibs like they do in TF2

[@quiver5756]

PG-13

[@Ommelanden]

Just blood and guts everywhere, like when the enemy team has 3 demomen

[@tsuaririndoku]

Commingle what about it explode into pieces like Pyro vision XD

[@CBRN-115]

Overwatch needs more blood and gore No guts, no glory!

[@samuraijackoff5354]

People dont want to destroy their waifus

[@saucypizzainthesky3279]

Engineer as a class is EXTREMELEY versatile He can be offense or deffense Even support!

[@rafapoleszak7477]

I think it's mostly support

[@eh2587]

Although he can be pretty versatile, I'd say demo, soldier and medic are much more versatile

[@NothingMeansNothingButNothing]

@@eh2587 Medic gaming is countered by Scout gaming

[@supreme_noob556]

uncle dane: am i joke to you?

[@Galaxy-oy4nj]

​@@eh2587 demo is quite versatile but suffers against scouts and good pyro players. Soldier id argue is the most versatile class in game, he has insane mobility thanks to rocket jumps, high survivability and excellent firepower. And pyros are not as much of an issue to you thanks to the shotgun. Medic... what the hell are you thinking? Medic should be played exclusively as a support class and only engage in combat when there is no one to help him. Medic is the team's backbone and the team is a medic's backbone. Thats how things are. A team needs a good medic to succeed, and a medic can only perform well if the team knows what to do.

[@verbatos9498]

6:38, Incorrect, the sound of the sentry gun lock-on is not beautiful, it is bone-chillingly terrifying.

[@doublem1354]

Found the scout main.

[@jimboringo9958]

ANT EXENOMORPH KZbin GAMES UNTURNED COMMENT GUY lol

[@meeperdudeify]

It's a challenge.

[@lev7509]

Both to the Engie and victim. The Engie needs to focus on how to repair it in time, where to go if the enemy does push through, unsapping the tele your team needs and getting that one Spy. The victim...

[@boid9761]

Found the Spy main

[@americana_incarnate1717]

Torbjon: I am a cog in a complex defensive strategy. Engineer: I AM THE DEFENSE!!!!

[@TF2Scout..]

Engineer: I am the one who knocks.

[@smokeyredmeadow]

LAZY WHAT KIND OF DEFENSE IS THIS!?

[@The_Redacted_Pixel]

@@smokeyredmeadow I AM THE DEFENSE!!!!

[@YTBRSosyalEmre]

"I am not in defense . I AM THE DEFENSE."

[@s4mukn1ght35]

HeaVy LoAd cOmiN ThRu!

[@Fields_of_Fright1922]

10:40 that rag doll is beautiful

[@SandmanURL]

A flying banana spy

[@D-S-G.]

Thats my conscientious objector pic

[@tfBatimAnimation]

Do you ever feel like a plastic bag

[@SlewedBoot25934]

We need to find him and put him in a gamer museum

[@box1399]

This belongs in a museum

[@pierrecourtois5167]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the rate at which you can heal the turret, I think it would have been interesting to compare too

[@whatsthat8730]

That would be incredibly hard to do considering some wrenches heal more/less plus the rescue ranger would have to be counted. Whereas torb has....Hammer

[@bumblebabble18]

I see the TF2 Sentry as a defensive tool designed to shut down an area entirely, taking a coordinated assault or special class to defeat, meanwhile the role of the Turret is more support damage, and putting on pressure. The turret is less of a defensive tool, but at the same time better for attack.

[@KozelPraiseGOELRO]

As note: You can use a Jag and a lvl 1 sentry or gunsliger to achieve this too.

[@davidcenturion961]

A better version of mini sentry

[@30thCenturyFish]

@@davidcenturion961 I wish the mini could be thrown like the torb turret

[@samcross8532]

​@maxpower591 come on leave the scouts and trollgiers alone

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

⁠@@30thCenturyFishIf there was a “weapon” that let’s you throw buildings, I would get it immediately. (It could use the Disposable Sentry from MvM {budget mini} and lower the other level caps by one, in exchange for more health and more focus on throwing buildings. I would love to be a Demoneer (can’t think of a better name {Spyper is Spy with a gun, Sny is Sniper but backstab, what would sound better than Engemo?)

[@thatonechannel1937]

9:40 So painful watching him whack that sentry when the tele and dispenser were dying

[@samwai3762]

if it's ain't broke, don't fix it...yet

[@ME0WMERE]

speaking of that, where did the spy's sapper go? the dispenser was being sapped, and then it just suddenly...wasn't and there was nothing in the killfeed indicating that the sapper was destroyed

[@pig6293]

​@@ME0WMERE Prob the pyro but idk about the killfeed thing that's probably a bug or something

[@ChibiM11]

@@ME0WMERE exactly what I was thinking! Just what happened here! It has to be that Pyro at 10:06 being a PyBro since the other is using a powerjack. Too bad the killfeed seems to not show who did it..

[@Maddisch]

Now that you have worked out the hp ratio we can mod/simulate the ow heroes in tf2 and play tf2 vs overwatch :o

[@thegreatdokidefendertf2889]

Yes. Please.

[@terner1234]

as if that's high level math

[@nochill7884]

Overwatch is completely competitive, TF2 is just memes, and can be competitive. You can do almost anything you want in TF2, whereas in overwatch you are restricted to just the objective. You can't really compare TF2 to overwatch, as they are so different.

[@TheBigSad8247]

@@nochill7884 All the more reason to compare the two. You really say "you can't compare..." If the two objects in question are too similar. Sure it's more interesting to find out what they are because they aren't as noticable, but will have far few between compared to things that are very different. Think of it like this: Orange vs Tangerine - quality of differences: interesting - quantity of differences: few Orange vs. monkey wrench - quality of differences: predicable - quantity of differences: a lot

[@silverdededestruction2197]

@@nochill7884 >TF2 can be competitive. Mini-crits: Allow us to introduce ourselves.

[@beesechurger2540]

If the Sentry Gun was in Overwatch you'd be getting dominations left and right.

[@vasudeanguy8523]

Thus forcing the team to focus on the one putting it down. I love the Sentry Gun myself. To me, nothing's more beautiful than hearing it lock on and the rapid *Dings* I get.

[@Florida_boy]

@@vasudeanguy8523 that sound ain't beautiful, it gives me ptsd flashbacks every single time i hear a beep

[@CatLover69420]

@@Florida_boy found the scout main

[@aaronking2020]

almost like putting a mechanic from one game into another with zero changes would be unbalanced

[@andrewle4989]

I can imagine an engineer dying to a bear trap or something and then getting 5 kills before they respawn. I totally didn’t get this from a random sfm.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

I personally think, that Engineer is better, not just because he has about 21 PHD's. But because the Engineer is much more specific about his building, you help your teammates with ammo and healing, brings them faster to the front with his teleporter, which needs another hero if you want to do that in Overwatch and of course, the Sentry Gun. Normally it has such an impact on you, that if it gets destroyed, it's like if the enemy team has burned, shot, electecuted, bombed and wetted your child, that you want to kill them ala John Whick style. With the Turret it's just another building. A boring bulding that is just a gimmig. I ain't feeling any joy or sadness if it get destroyed or build. P.S. I would have loved it, how fast the strongest hero/class could kill a sentry/turret.

[@giullianorosagaran2125]

Wow that was long but you are correct

[@boid9761]

Torb's turret apparently deploys faster than a Mini Sentry, but I'd choose the Gunslinger any day.

[@EnriqueGonzalez-lx3vl]

theres no feeling such as getting a lvl 3 nest with teleporters, dispenser, and sentry, before the setup time is over

[@tekky1202]

TF2 Quality over OW quantity

[@autopliotjk5842]

I thought he had 9 or 11 phd

[@PeterJamesVillegas]

Torbjorn has a big DPS Me as an Engineer player: *_Laughs in Wrangler, Frontier Justice, The Widowmaker, and the Gunslinger_*

[@doublem1354]

I think there is not a single better thing than a widowmaker battle engie.

[@sweetricecakeman8582]

@@doublem1354 if you have perfect aim, only MYG)T can stop you

[@carteriffic1681]

The widow maker actually has the same DPS as stock, it just feels more powerful and has infinite ammo if you hit your shots. Also, the wrangler requires to get a sentry up, and do you mean mini sentry cause the southern hospitality does more, but i think you mean the third hit crit punch.

[@eh2587]

Dosnt the widowmaker do the same damage per shot as stock? Although you could say that it has a higher dps if you can aim

[@microawesome2469]

And in YEEEEE HAWWWWWWW

[@excusemewhat8437]

“Your shotgun and your pistol are kind of a last resort.” *Laughs* *in* *Widowmaker.*

[@oberfeldwebelhans7652]

*laughs in 9 guaranteed crits*

[@infectexd1491]

@@oberfeldwebelhans7652 laughs in anti proyectile gun

[@freddyfastbear5928]

its called short circuit@@infectexd1491

[@jackeea_]

What about Barik's """""turrets""""" from Paladins, which are made of tissue paper, shoot blanks, and self-destruct if you sneeze at them?

[@reubin741]

Jackeea their not rally turrets. They feel more like pea shooters from plants vs zombies

[@dankmemer5699]

@@reubin741 dont you dare compare these powerful bastards to this crap

[@CatQueen1323]

They are just extra Dps, like a couple extra guns. With the slugs card, Barrik just kind of works as a discount torb.

[@randomdude5633]

@@CatQueen1323 discount torb? Idk more like winter sale special offer 90% off torb

[@bassbusterx]

@@smolmen7674 haha no

[@swolie]

6:55 Engineer : "You're, ugly." Torbjorn : [gasp]

[@dolans.g7259]

Engie start to dance*

[@BradyAus]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE-

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

"Last time i checked i didn't asked your opinion" That's most likely what Torb gonna say to Texas boy.

[@fatis2745]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad *loads frontier justice with malicious intent* start praying boy

[@Eradicator-jv9xr]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad pulls out widowmaker "I'M GONNA LAY YOU OUT!"

[@ihaveseenthings0]

I like how Engineer is described to “sprinkle a little damage here and there” along his sentry when he can provide teleportation, healing and ammo restock which are traits Torbjorn could only dream of

[@samcross8532]

Yeah he realy sucks off overwatch

[@taylorevandale4261]

Someone else is responsible for spawning teleporters in Overwatch. I don’t know for Dispensers though.

[@Zombiezambo]

A crippled mercy with no wheel chair?

[@shortsentral]

Also the wrangler can basically double the damage and add to its health

[@cooperclarke7016]

Engy is more bootiful plus he makes pootis penser here

[@guy3nder529]

pootis spencer here!

[@guy3nder529]

@Jason Wilton are you gonna cry, baby?

[@nxrtisu]

@Jason Wilton Nope.

[@guy3nder529]

@Jason Wilton you are DEAD! HAHAHA!

[@Alex-jz2hk]

@*Meme Lord* all of your team are BABIES!

[@ThatGuy-cr1ly]

Who would win? Genius man with 5000 PhD in literally everything? Or one Swedish boi

[@ConsarnitTokkori]

honestly genius man a really really good torb has a really really really good gun but any combat engi with even half a brain cell knows that crits = good, mini sentry = 3 or so kills before going boom and 3 or so kills = *start fucking praying* but if it's a rescue ranger then torb is better, but his turret still sucks in comparison

[@evanellis9178]

Torbjorn was a world class inventor and weapons designer. He was the inventor of mechs ( In overwatches universe) and created the Bastion units, which were a massively strong robot army.

[@merica6640]

Engi

[@thebigyes8482]

evan Ellis He didn’t create the bastion units, the omniums did.

[@GonnaDieNever]

@@evanellis9178 Torn didn't invent biological immortality or teleportation though.

[@thegreatdokidefendertf2889]

"torbjorn does more damage" Me: **laughs in panic attack, Wrangler, and pistol**

[@DarthWidar]

Herobro / TF2 how tf do you even have wrangler and pistol at the same time in the First place? 😆

[@thegreatdokidefendertf2889]

@@DarthWidar not at the same time, silly.

[@thegreatdokidefendertf2889]

@divide two , panic attack can do 108 damage, without crits.

[@TheBigSad8247]

@@thegreatdokidefendertf2889 so why mention two secondary slot items and not a single melee slot item? Random crits alone makes melee a decent DPS weapon, like it or not.

[@thegreatdokidefendertf2889]

BrownieKuma72, Jag.

[@lukamtc9188]

"The engineer himself only adds the 20% of the possible damage output" **jag intensifies**

[@lerbronk]

yeah torb's gun is powerfull but know the thing thats called "random crits?" edit: yep, sentry cant crit but who really sit like a shitass turtleass ass turtle with lv3 sentry + dispenser in an intel room anyway. real man run with shotgun like real texas

[@btsmember4072]

Random crits are fair and balanced

[@starshot8842]

@@btsmember4072 In this context. Yes

[@shovelman7641]

Sentry guns can't get random crits though

[@starshot8842]

@@shovelman7641 100% Crit servers:...

[@lerbronk]

@@shovelman7641 wrench can

[@kayagorzan]

Tf2's sentry gun made a cameo in Payday 2, instantly making it better.

[@gmailquinn]

I don't play payday 2 but you have my interest

[@CryptikSpectre]

Ooh that is very interesting

[@taylorevandale4261]

Some Valve-related stuff and Easter eggs are in Payday 2. For example, in the one with the nukes, the lockers in the warehouse mentions Gordon Freeman. Also, and I believe everyone knows this, Mercy Hospital from Left 4 Dead is in said game.

[@indecisivecountdooku1340]

Tracer: Annoying, Time Traveler, British. Scout: Annoying/Funny, Eats RPGs by drinking Soda, Bostoner. *Let's have a **-Tea-** BONK! Party*

[@giganigga3025]

Say that to my face tough guy, BONK

[@purpledefaultpfp6233]

Do you still play tf2

[@armannstraughter3296]

@@purpledefaultpfp6233 I do.

[@xgamer2mil]

Boston Gun Party

[@maxwell2381]

Bri'ish

[@fedorflip]

Still waiting for Uncle Dane's comment on the sentry deploy speed

[@spectenix]

I must say that the sentry gun not only has tons of damage, but it also pushes you back. This is very important. It prevents players ftom getting close to the enemies or the turret itself. Also, if you DARE to fly near the sentry, it can and WILL pin you against a wall or even the edge of the map

[@jmurray1110]

It also seriously Fuchs over bonk scouts

[@a_random_youtuber6151]

Turret: I am only used for assistance. Sentry: Enjoy your 56 kills and 32 assists against these bots in Practice.

[@Aaa-vp6ug]

*casual

[@udjagrthrth8213]

I'd like to point out, the widowmaker, short circuit, and the frontier justice. The widowmaker can have massive damage output if you land your shots at a short distance, due to not needing to reload and an effectively infinite.... drum? clip? tube? The short circuit can do 15 damage per couple seconds while inside the sphere, and prevent enemy projectiles from harming your person. So if the enemy is backing up you can also do around 45-60 damage per sphere per person. Granted you get three-four hits on a given person. With the frontier justice, you get free crits(which don't suffer from damage falloff) per kill/assist you get with your gun, and considering how sentries tend to steal kills and assists, you'll rack those up fairly quickly in a good game. It's also unfair to discount the engineers stock option up close, as a decent engi can easily kill over eager dps classes with his shotgun, and given a distraction like you gave Torb when discussing upclose tank shredding, the engi can do that too with his shotgun, and range isn't out of the realm of possibility, considering he also has the pistol, which does do generally reliable damage at range, granted not as much as the headshot projectile Torb fires. I would also like to point out the gunslinger, which basically changes the engi from 20 him 80 sentry, to a more 40 sentry 60 him if you play it right. Along with bringing the engi from 125 health to 150. I think ultimately, this just highlights how many more ways there is to play a class in TF2, than in OW, which makes the comparison unfair to both sides, because you have to ignore all unlockables for engi for torb to really stand a chance, since we also covered the fact the mini still does more damage than the turret, but by nerfing the engi, you also make him very boring to play, because you sit behind your snety gun waiting for the enemy to walk into it, or maybe you can do a risky teleport play. You have to discount everything else that defines the engi in order for Torb to have a chance, but it's unfair to even just compare Torb to engi, since OW is more focused on set classes, which fill the niches the different weapons TF2 has that change the way classes play. Such as Symetra's shield gen and teleport being comparable to the engi's dispenser and teleporter, or even Lucio's aoe healing to the dispenser. Ammo is also a somewhat unfair comparison since one game uses ammo as a common currency across all classes making it so that each class has a reason to get an ammo pack, even spy who relies on melee more than his ranged weapon. When the other just... doesn't. Engineer plays a huge role in the ammo and health economy for TF2, where in OW there's no need for an ammo provider. Which is why I'm somewhat upset with your cost comparison, it really should've just been setup time since one game just doesn't have a comparison to make. While the video was fun, the actual comparison ultimately falls flat, since you went beyond just sentry gun and turret, and went into the people placing it while still looking at it from the view of the sentry gun instead of the classes themselves.

[@jspark8990]

theres also the issue that a good chunch of overwatches weapons are projectiles so the short circuit would hard counter half the roster

[@MonsoonTheMagnet]

The frontier justice doesn't give crits unless the sentry got a kill and it got destroyed/ you demolished it

[@Madead]

This is so obvious, both will lose because the Turret from Portal II is better.

[@MrMoron-qn5rx]

Bull... the defective turret beats both! -0 dmg? Big whoop. The defect is more sexy, can talk and is still looking for bullets, therefor making its determination stronger then the others, the ones that wait for ammo to come to them. Also +75 more bullet per bullet is the portal turret's whole deal!

[@unclekanethetiberiummain1994]

It fires the whole bullet! That's 65% more bullets than conventional turret.

[@Guing1]

dont make limonade

[@Thornskade]

The Turrets from Portal have more personality and are better written than any of the OW characters

[@egorence2149]

they can sing songs clearly the portal turret has won

[@Grampa_Swood]

1:24 You picked up a full health kit, while being healed, for 14 HP. I don' t think I can watch you anymore.

[@Toofty]

I'm unsubscribing

[@a.k8185]

Interesting that the sentry from 19's is tougher than the turret from the future.

[@IluvTama]

Funny automotive beeping gun go BRRR-WOOOoooshboom

[@TheKoriKasai]

Well engie does have 11 PhDs while tobjern only has 0

[@a.k8185]

@@TheKoriKasai Big brain vs Small brain basically.

[@TheKoriKasai]

@@a.k8185 exactly

[@wr3nche5]

i mean, half of things from the past are better than things in the present/future. somehow as a race we're getting worse

[@Slimreaper13]

If you want to compare, the mini sentry is fairly similar to torb turret, whereas a level 3 is very much the same sort of threat as a turret-mode bastion, one is a drop and run nuisance, whereas one is an almost immediate death threat

[@pablocruz5613]

This really reflects a different design philosophy in the 2 games. The Engineer was designed to cause stalemates, to be that wall the enemy team had to work together to push past, while Torbjorn is just one of 6 heroes who all have to work together to MAKE that stalemate.

[@tappajaav]

Except teleport is most important building engineer can ever build. -Sentries kill people -Dispensers save lives -Teleporters win games.

[@CBRN-115]

Torb: N U T

[@knifedance2402]

Except the engineer can also be many, many other things, and torb has the sort of role-schizophrenia that makes almost anyone who chooses him look stupid because the chances of them actually performing what tiny little limited role he works within well are infinitesimally small.

[@knavenformed9436]

@@tappajaav Pretty sure the teleporter would not have the time of day without the control the sentry offers.

[@tappajaav]

@@knavenformed9436 That's good thought in theory, but in practice well-placed teleporters are often protected by the continuous stream of teammates coming through it.

[@guy3nder529]

i was going to complain about how it makes much more sense to use the average hp's rather than the baselines, but after figuring those myself turns out the ratio is still 1.6-1.7. dosent actually change much for these calculations. also engie bits torb on every visual and audio design front.

[@DarthWidar]

Guy3nder havent you seen Torbjörns new summer games skin? 10/10 👌🏻😏

[@guy3nder529]

@@DarthWidar if they could decide whether he's fat or muscular, and make that muscular, hell get higher. Never as high as engine, but higher. You can also customize engies appearance with as many ridiculous wares as you please, while torb only has some boring, highly detailed and designed skins.

[@McSlobby]

"Torb does more damage" Wrangler: *You dare underestimate me?*

[@danielscully449]

Torn himself does more, engie is making the sentry do more

[@giganigga3025]

@@danielscully449 panic attack:get noobed buster

[@mrclean541]

@@giganigga3025 ulting torn :get noobed buster

[@hawtdanger5256]

@@mrclean541 widowmaker with sl_infinite_ammo 1 + crits: get noobed buster

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

@@giganigga3025 Overwatch's Shield: get Noob

[@Jpmotor13]

portal torret: Allow me to introduce myself

[@madsword19]

Are you still there?

[@alvianekka80]

"That's 65% more boolet, per boolet."

[@nike2136]

@@MXSVIC half life 1 turret : allow me to introduce myself

[@kapa_nitori]

@@madsword19 AAAaaaAAAAaaaaaaAAaaaAAA! Critical error...

[@Neuwey331]

Engineer's Sentry Gun is more resilient than the Heavy, who is the strongest class in TF2. The Sentry Gun is basically a combination of Soldier and Heavy.

[@Repolshon]

2 brass beast heavies and a soldier lol

[@jackhudner3804]

The Sentry Gun is a much larger investment, intended to be a core component of a team's ability to halt a push - Engineer is a very real contender for the most important person on a team in TF2, with his buildings (especially his teleporter) being the things that a team fights around. The Turret, however, is an anti-flanking tool that serves to compliment the team, not control it. Unlike the Engineer, Torbjorn is not the most important person on his team - the team's "Main Tank" (the character who is responsible for giving their team space to work with, usually being Reinhardt, Orisa, Winston or Wrecking Ball) is. Torbjorn is intended to be one of many possible damage options, his main specialty being his sturdiness and protecting his team from being surrounded and picked apart. The concept of "Making Space" is very important in Overwatch, while TF2 doesn't really have a concept of making space. Both the Sentry gun and the Turret make sense considering the respective roles of the character they are bound to, and the structure of the game they are in.

[@Gammera2000]

tldr: Torb is like a battle engineer with a super strong emphasis on the battle aspect.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

You gonna need atleast 1 engi on your team Free ammo and heal is always a good thing

[@meeperdudeify]

I'd say that "making space" is still quite important in tf2, because of uber. You need to have an area where your medic can be safe while still healing, and your engineer can build up support buildings. This "space is often created by power classes such as soldier, demo and heavy, that have the hp and damage to hold ground, and create a front line.

[@THG_thehumangod]

Jack Hudner a good way to see which class in TF2 is high priority is to use my domination theory. Basically, take out that class's bot and play it yourself(if you good at the game and can play better than a bot). If you lead your team to victory, then that class is important(same goes if you bad and cause the team to lose). If you are doing godlike and have the highest points, but your team still loses, then the class only has situational importance. Edit: TF2 bots are pretty stupid and suck at aiming TBH and this idea should be scrapped.

[@meeperdudeify]

@@THG_thehumangod that's a pretty bad way to do things, because tf2 bots are incredibly stupid

[@UpDownAndUnder]

TF2 Sentry Gun: To help the team Overwatch Turret: To steal POTG

[@thatoneneeko2131]

That was the case 2 years ago

[@_narrows]

Wouldn't mini-sentry vs torb 2.0 turret be a better comparison to make? Cool info, nonetheless. (lol i need to finish the video before commenting next time)

[@aidanholland8921]

Narrows alligator

[@imabird1566]

Delet this.

[@aidanholland8921]

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[@egorence2149]

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[@aidanholland8921]

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[@doomfallmustang9904]

Imagine all the classes of Tf2 vs all the heroes of Overwatch. It would be interesting to see how well each class would handle all the heroes and vice-versa.

[@NoSkill_fr]

So kinda like TF2 vs Overwatch by Winglet

[@taylorevandale4261]

In terms of gameplay, it’s a battle between damage or trickery. TF2 weapons do a crap ton of damage, and healing is also at a rapid pace. Overwatch is more about trickery, relying on abilities to take down threats.

[@shoulderpyro]

Well if we're also running with each side having their own team's server rules we're looking at 12 vs 6, for starters. On top of TF2 weapons being way more versatile, dealing way more damage, healing way faster, and being far less relient on teammates.. Yeah thats going to be a hard stomp the moment a single overpriced merc goes down

[@STARWARSISPOG]

Another ting to add to the dps section is that the rockets dont always hit on the tf2 sentry because of the slow projectile speed. Just keep that in mind.

[@IC-23]

So Torbjorn is sort of a battle Engineer? Never really got into OW because I didn't like the playstyles offered 2 years ago, I guess I shouldn't have overlooked the short fellow.

[@Gammera2000]

He got a rework about a year and a half ago that made him way more fun to play

[@pokeaust7800]

Gammera It also made him a lot more useful on both Attack and defense, unlike how he was before

[@tomweston939]

Now do level 3 vs bastion

[@gimble2697]

Sir Duckington level 2 would be better since bastion is only bullets, until ultimate of course

[@CBRN-115]

@@gimble2697 if you count the ult, then Lv3 will be fitting

[@ConsarnitTokkori]

you don't get revenge crits from dying as bastion

[@knifedance2402]

Do level 3 vs all of overwatch. It would win.

[@DarthWidar]

Yuri Moon laughs in barriers, emp, bastion, cc overall

[@demolishbuster7361]

Engineer is the best tf2 character cuz of his iconic scream. YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE *Explosions*

[@gregwenneborg880]

J. Jonah JamesonTM SPAHS SAPPING MAH SENTRY

[@LeoSRL300]

You're great too, Medic! *Spams E*

[@justmedic9689]

NICHTS DA!

[@marshmellominiapple]

I AM A GOD

[@toils8722]

UNICORN UP B O Y S

[@wojtekpolska1013]

Overwatch Turret more closely resembles the minisentry: - almost instant deploy - lower dps - cant upgrade - no rockets

[@mee091000]

"Your shotgun is only really good at picking off spies or low health players" **Widowmaker and Panic Attack Intensifies**

[@SquidKing]

6:50 how is that a contest? The picture u put of engi there speaks for itself

[@SlewedBoot25934]

Torb is ugleh

[@_sargentocoelho_4441]

@@SlewedBoot25934 Virgin: looc at me am midget C H A D: * sexual tone * *Kippie kiay kyaaa hayo*

[@ambisstuff2376]

Looks like engie is about to say "you're ugly"

[@Morphoidism]

Straight from eltorro so of course it's beautiful

[@candypoh2640]

@@ambisstuff2376 sad sniper noises

[@ComicaPaloozaStudios]

As a point I think is interesting, while Torbjorn only has his Sentry as a building to work with, Engineer has essentially three OW heroes as his buildings: besides the Sentry as mentioned in the video, he also has an essence of Lucio with his Dispenser and an essence of Symmetra with his Teleporter. Given that, it's clear how each game prioritizes those three elements based on level design and character abilities.

[@mikey10006]

I still have no idea how a quality helpful KZbinr as yourself has gone so unnoticed, it actually make some upset Edit: makes me upset

[@Toofty]

Thanks Shemsy that's a really kind comment :)

[@mikey10006]

@@Toofty you're welcome :) you ever tried advertising somehow? I'm sure you'd make it seriously big if you just had a little bit more exposure you have quality, comedy,analysis, everything

[@khongnoi1012]

The Turret looks much more similar to the Mini Sentry tbh. The Lv3 Sentry definitely adds so much more to the depth of the game. A well-positioned Sentry nest is like an overpowered war machine, and the other team has to play around it, using both the appropriate counter weapons/classes and the map's terrain.

[@kindertak5396]

I feel like the turret is more similar to a mini-sentry

[@smacka7453]

When you watch lazy purple's how it feels to be engineer Lazy: "I HAVE A SHOTGUN" Dane: "LAZY WHAT KIND OF DEFENSE IS THIS" LAZY: "I AM THE DEFENSE"

[@randomnepali7772]

Sentry upgrades in a nutshell: *"wE NEeD mORE dAkKa"*

[@SilverGamingFI]

*ERECTIN' MORE DAKKA!*

[@theenderdestruction2362]

WE ALWAYS NEED MORE DAKKA

[@MelonTF2]

A minisentry does more damage that the turret lol

[@bukachell]

The sentry animations are super satisfying to watch in slow motion and normal speed

[@shieldphaser]

The turret is basically a mini sentry. You plop it down, it deploys quickly and shoots at stuff.

[@tobydigiovanni5838]

the sentry actually fires 4 rockets at a time

[@ManLikeEddy]

nah it looks like it fires 4 but its only one rocket

[@tobydigiovanni5838]

@@ManLikeEddy oh

[@chocolatebahr1031]

WRONG IT DOES shoot 4 rockets dining you watch uncle Danes lvl3 vs lvl 2 sentry video it shoots 4

[@giganigga3025]

@@ManLikeEddy it is 4 rockets but they're redirected to one target wonder why the sentry has freaking 4 holes when it gets to LVL 3 lol

[@autumn2754]

11:11 Toofy falls for the best spy synergy strat of 2019

[@Korato01]

You should also mention the cooldown on Torbs Turret. Especially when comparing it to the Mini Sentry which you can spam out as much as you want. If you have the Metal for it.

[@MiculBandit]

In engineer, the beep that the sentry makes means: Your f*cked.

[@vanderlindeplays7499]

"Torb does more damage" Me: laughs in frontier justice

[@sonicdml4175]

"My sentry with 2564 kills and 234 assists just got destroyed have fun with 5362 crits."

[@vanderlindeplays7499]

@@sonicdml4175 I fear no man but that thing it scares me

[@meeperdudeify]

Hee hee Widowmaker go ca-ching

[@micahkim728]

Torin Fu NoOoOo u can’t just have Infinite ammo in TF2

[@giganigga3025]

@@micahkim728 hehe widow maker circuit combo go shoot zap zap

[@JoyHomfeld]

Great video, u explained it very well! :) Although the sentry can have unlimited range. I think u didn't put the wrangler into this video because it isn't really part of the sentry gun. Which is true.

[@pie8863]

Turret does kind of look generic.

[@pedrocc2624]

It's a non gatling version of the sentry without a drum ammo box

[@Choopchoop435]

It dummy thick but it not dummy T H I C C

[@DoctorPhileasFragg]

@@pedrocc2624 The Sentry's design appeal is attention to detail such as a drum ammo box.

[@Lazar-w9u]

Whatever game you play, i think we can all agree that overwatches design isn't well thought out or original

[@adixhope1323]

Little bit irrelevant to non-overwatch guy but ur comparison needs were fulfilled ;) next up U can top yourself and compare stock vs original rocket launcher. Nice approach as always with juicy stats. Keep it up as nice and imaginative as u do.

[@htlchtlc]

The changes are minimal, height is the same, but rocket spawns with >7 cm lateral position difference, but converge at the same spot at >1 m distance. You have to be tapping the movement keys and shooting at a window to perceive any difference

[@TheGateShallStand]

All I'm hearing is that if these two games were suddenly pulled into real life I know exactly who to join up with.

[@cowwithinternet]

Since I've never played overwatch, I thought by "Overwatch Turret" it meant the combine turrets in HL2

[@Planty_]

10:40 Ragdoll 😂😂

[@starbuckoof5219]

It was blue spy

[@eh2587]

*i am the spy*

[@jihrexz666]

Spy: weeeeeeeeee

[@clownsanity]

Tf2 sentry: no one can pass Overwatch turret: lol destroyed it in a second since it does no dammage

[@Jdudec367]

it's actually annoying to take down a level 2 turret in overwatch from my experience and then there is the removed level 3 which is stronger then a level 3 sentry

[@MissFeatherstone]

Jayden C It wasn’t really as powerful as the lv3 sentry. It may seem more powerful due to the pacing of OW rounds and because less overwatch characters are equipped to fight them, but it’s simply not the case.

[@Jdudec367]

Jensen the Cleric what about in terms of attack speed and health?

[@dolan3623]

@@Jdudec367 in health the turret is better but all it has is rockets for a short duration. The sentry always has rockets and its bullets are as deadly as he said in the video, taking you down in a couple seconds, not to mention the rangler, which increases the sentry fire rate and gives the sentry a major damage resistance, effectively giving the sentry around 600 hp from its 216 hp. And the ability to aim the sentry at long range enemies negates the range advantage the turret had

[@pokeaust7800]

Tf2 Sentry: Absurd damage but you can never get it to it’s max potential outside of preparation time without leaving your team down a player Overwatch turret: A useful utility that provides decent damage damage practically on demand when you throw it as well as Torbjorn doing major damage to the enemy by himself

[@Sploberrie]

After the rework in October, Torb's turret is more similar to a Mini-Sentry. And as someone who loves the Gunslinger, I quite like it.

[@Spaqus]

People talk about the infinite range of the turrets Me: *laughing in wrangler*

[@curtisbrown547]

the engineer just feels so much more like a whole package deal vs torb. you get healing, mobility, and area denial all in one class while also not being completely defenseless. meanwhile torb has a tiny little bit of area denial with the turret and has to ult for strong area denial. neither are good but it's undeniable that engineer is just better designed vs torb. torb suffers from the fact the dev team has constantly felt the need to casualize him and dumb him down so that mobility hero's can just run rampant instead of respect his area. not only that but ults just ruin the entire idea of builder classes. whats the point of building up all of these time consuming high value buildings when they're just going to get wiped out during a push anyway? it's why overwatch will never be really all that interesting to me. it's like every class has uber, so the entire game becomes "poke to build Ult, Run in, press Q, whoever presses Q the best wins."

[@slightlytastyburger3809]

Even the mini sentry is better than the turrent Tf2 best game

[@thatoneneeko2131]

V1 molten core activates.

[@SteveOnlin]

Translation : This stationery A.I in tf2 is more annoying than the one in overwatch Which makes tf2 better

[@twinzzlers]

@@SteveOnlin Get good kid, a sentry is nothing if you know what you are doing.

[@SteveOnlin]

@@twinzzlers Shut up, Just shut

[@twinzzlers]

@@SteveOnlin Brilliant response kiddo.

[@Mint_loll]

Demoman and spy when you talk about the overwatch turret: *visable confusion*

[@PeterJamesVillegas]

"Don't mess with me, like... with me and my machines" "Engineer 2009"

[@samseward1374]

There is a stark contrast of play styles between two characters with similar abilities. Engineer can play passively or actively while Torb almost always is more active due to most of his effectiveness being on his person instead of his building. Says a lot about the nature of both games, I think.

[@ziomaloiguess]

The one thing i see on almost every Tf2 vs overwatch film is that in comments there are almost only Tf2 (ik here that this is Tf2 channel) and almost noone protects the Overwatch. This is the thing i love in TF2, the *COMMUNITY* Edit: ... Stupid grammar mistakes

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

Yeah, that says a lot how Cancerous TF2 Community is.

[@eh2587]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad So preferring a game other another is cancerous?

[@strawberrana]

You should've been using lvl 2 sentry for a fair comparison

[@fardass3535]

FINNALY! a half decent tf2 vs overwatch comparison!

[@ryang6865]

I fell like calculating the mean amount of health out of all the characters in both games would’ve been more accurate. For Tf2 that would be: (125+125+125+125+150+175+175+200+300)/9 = 166.667 as the mean for Tf2 health pools.

[@kanji20]

The range factor can be thrown out though, due to the fact that the Wrangler greatly increases the sentry guns range

[@HeyBuddyImAnEngineer]

overwatch taret: *kills engineer also overwatch taret: why i hear boss music? tf2 level 3 sentry: n i c e s h o t

[@footisman2059]

Wait, sentry has got voice commands? The respawned engineer main: Oh no... Turret, spamming E:

[@izzywood2874]

The damage disparity comes from different roles Sentries lock down points Turrets provide support fire

[@YuainLucky]

The building time of the tf2 sentry depends on your equipment. Appart from that, great vid 》>

[@theoneoctoboi3176]

When ever someone mentions the turret i keep thinking portal not overwatch

[@arandomcrusader8822]

It's all fun and games until you hear that one hidden Sentry's lock-on sound

[@copbabycombo1311]

Uncle Dane would not approve how your playing Engineer.

[@eh2587]

He picked up a large ammo pack when he wa missing 18 metal

[@AnAddictsAnonymous]

Man those torb nerfs hit hard i remember hearing him yell molten core meant a whole squad could fall.

[@kalimatronix]

10:09 Meanwhile LazyPurple: *I AM THE DEFENCE!!!*

[@Markty07]

3:09 And the gunslinger makes the engineer better than tolbjorn on every point, more hp, more mini sentry dps, support buildings... Maybe a turret a bit less tanky

[@eh2587]

"its almost like the rescue ranger and the stock shotgun strapped together". Fun fact:the design of the rescue ranger and frontier justice are just the stock shotgun with a few attachmemts to it

[@KelBShobra]

Woah haven’t been recommended your channel in a long time youve blown up