The Tiger II (P) - WW2's most terrifying Prototype

[@danielboliva2731]

porsche was hired to make the chassis, both turrets were designed by krupp, basically krupp had the turrets and needed a chassis for them, but porsche lost out before even making a prototype. The P is just a letter for designation, just like it is on Panthers and Panzers, which showed the production batch.

[@Dayzplayer-um9pn]

Blah blah blah

[@ANDREA57ITA]

Shut up ​@@Dayzplayer-um9pn

[@manchotoberkommando]

Shut up @@Dayzplayer-um9pn

[@redrazorjp]

@@Dayzplayer-um9pn bro is a professional yapanese

[@background0001]

​@@Dayzplayer-um9pn shut up

[@rusdahadi1531]

Allied engineer: shit, the repair time takes 5 minutes slower than current tank, scrap the whole project German engineer: as long as that thing move and shoot, send it to the Frontline

[@breakingdodosOffical]

More like russian enilgineers in the end bit. Germans had good engineering until they had no resources

[@rusdahadi1531]

@@breakingdodosOffical t34 is well engineered, the problem is in the production phase because of how desperate the situation was

[@comradepivot4570]

​@@breakingdodosOfficalGood engineering, but complicated af.

[@breakingdodosOffical]

@@rusdahadi1531 well engineered???? No it wasnt, the time to build one was aroumd 14-18hours, most lacked radios etc. Even chairs. And they had no vision.

[@breakingdodosOffical]

@@comradepivot4570 yup

[@alp9173]

As a British main, this thing doesn't terrify me any more than a Sherman (If i get shot by anything I'll die)

[@cobeylynch4733]

I don't know man. I've had the black prince absorb and deflect some wonky ass shots. It's honestly a pretty annoying tank to fight.

[@andrewlee8204]

@@cobeylynch4733I have black prince PTSD from the PVE ground mode

[@snackmachines8045]

Ngl, but the Tiger 2 (p) doesn't scare me because the turret cheeks can be shot through with APHE rounds

[@andrewlee8204]

@@snackmachines8045 tiger II P is almost worthless. Every single time I would die through my turret cheeks. Now I have the H and it’s 10 times better

[@TheCaberDragon]

i have terrified US mains using the tiger 2 P before (they were in a super pershing and a US T34, they both got 1 shot cause they angled INTO a weak spot)

[@JohnShepard2033]

Ok since there are still some misconceptions about the tiger II I'm gonna throw my hat in too. Germany needed a new tank and the Heereswaffenamt offered a contract to anyone who could provide a promising hull design that fits their needs. Porsche and Henschel both designed a hull, the turret design was a Krupp project from the beginning and they first designed the turret that would later be called the P turret. Porsche thought they would definitely win with their hull design and get the contract for the tiger II and started to produce 50 P turrets to avoid any delays in the later tank production but they did not win. Henschel did and Henschel got the contract. Meanwhile Krupp designed a better turret ( H turret ) but it wasn't ready for production yet. Therefore the already built P turrets ( designed by Krupp, built by Porsche ) were used on the first 50 hulls that Henschel had designed and produced. All of the other later turrets were the better H turrets and were most likely built by Henschel but I can't confirm that as I can't find a document that says exactly who built the H turrets. Just that Henschel was tasked with the tiger II production but that most likely means hulls and turrets. In short: from my understanding the company that designed the better hull would eventually get the contract for the entire tiger II production but the turret design was provided by Krupp. Porsche's hull design wasn't chosen but they thought it would and bring them the tiger II production contract. Therefore they started to produce the earlier P turret design that Krupp made. I can't find any document confirming that P stands for prototype or Porsche and H for Herstellung or Henschel. So until someone can show me a document that confirms anything I will go with "unclear what P and H actually stand for" but my guess would be that it stands for the company that produced the turret because the same was done with other products with more than one design and multiple producers.

[@ypssa4935]

if I may ask, how does the Tiger 2 hull design from Porsche might looks like if the one in the museum now is of henschel design?

[@JohnShepard2033]

@@ypssa4935 as far as I know Porsche never built a prototype of their hull and only designed it on paper but they wanted to move the turret either to the back or the front of the hull and they experimented with different engine designs which were deemed too complicated and unreliable. I don't really know about other differences between Porsches and Henschels concepts. Maybe the exact blueprints of the Porsche design are in some archive.

[@JohnShepard2033]

@@ypssa4935 all I can find online are pictures of a game that has a ( most likely ) fictional Porsche hull in it. No real blueprints or anything like that.

[@roastedsand5917]

@@ypssa4935 Porsche make two VK45.02 design, one with turret on front while the other om the back, you can easily find that in google actually, as it was pretty popular The one that hard to find is Henschel VK45.02, as the original blueprint was currently in private hand, and what we only have is drawing from artist impression and bit of data from the people who see the document

[@roastedsand5917]

@@JohnShepard2033 just want to adding a bit from your comment VK45.02 (Tiger II) Project started in April 1942 as replacement for currently in production VK45.01 (Tiger I), the requierment was for the tank to have sloped 80mm armor all around, and carrying 8,8cm L/74 gun Just like before in VK45.01, Porsche and Henschel is the one design the chassis, but the older turret cannot mount a such gun, so Krupp was tasked to design and built new turret for it In the end both Porsche and Henschel VK45.02 (Tiger II) was cancelled, as Wa Prüf 6 choose Henschel VK45.03 (Tiger III) for production instead, and in 3rd March 1943 the Tiger III was rename into Tiger II (since the real Tiger II was cancelled anyway) Although VK45.02 project was cancelled and only last for 6 month (April-October 1942), Krupp already made 50 turret for the Porsche VK45.02 Later the turret was converted (because Porsche use Electric while Henschel use Hydraulic drive) and equiped to the first 50 Tiger II, hence the myth "Porsche Turret"

[@LeviJr08]

"And not using them would be a huge waste of resources." The Tiger II was already a waste of resources.

[@haminabowl7876]

It was cool at least

[@joshuaseuser625]

Not really

[@bassbusterx]

It could still be used as a specialized unit for engagements, but never mass producted as they wanted to

[@LeviJr08]

@@joshuaseuser625 Under the "waste of resouces" i mean that it needed too much oil, which the germans didnt have, yet used it anyways.

[@darrylwaynetuazon2156]

They were basically big dumb beasts that got stuck in the mud all the time and the only factor going for them was its size which induced fear in the allies but also made it a big target for planes

[@chadofchads7222]

German engineer: Hmmmm I don't know, these turret's aren't exactly up to standard German commander: My brother in schnitzel we are fighting Shermans

[@racingraptor4758]

Meanwhille IS-2 chilling on the eastern front:

[@ypssa4935]

​@ComradeRawatKing Tiger: "we don't go to battle, the battle comes to us"

[@Ryzard]

​@@ypssa4935"oh fuck, I wish it would stop coming, why are there so many"

[@Ryzard]

Hey at least the Shermans were useful long term lmao

[@amppari_234]

​@ComradeRawat some shermans are still in service

[@Thehackofzwerg]

Hold up right there. The (P) in the German Listing always stands for Porsche. It is never have bin different. Also only the VK (Versuchskonstruktion (English: Testkonstruktions)) where prototypes essentially. There are some exaptuins like this he wt programms for example

[@Thehackofzwerg]

Also the there where two turret designs. One by Porsche and one by Henschel, bough where produced by Krupp, but since Porsche though he would win the design contest, since his better relations to Hitler, he did already begin producing those Porsche turrets, also they where used on the prototype hull, since they where already available, and there where no changes to the outside of the Hull of the tiger 2, they used that turret of Porsche. Side note: only 10 Porsche turrets where ever made. But you where right, they where used since they didn‘t want to waste the affords that where made to produce the Porsche turrets

[@eggmasterproductions1768]

Thats the story of the tiger P, which was later turned into the elefant/Ferdinand ​@@Thehackofzwerg

[@Thehackofzwerg]

@@eggmasterproductions1768 the same happend to tiger p lol

[@yevrra5012]

​@@Thehackofzwergthe tiger 1 p, yes the Tiger 2 prototype not so much

[@Thehackofzwerg]

@@yevrra5012 this is not a prototype, this is a normal tank, from this where build 10 tanks since there where only 10 turrets. Also the letters ALWAYS names the company in the German military, for example where the for the vk 30.01 (from wich later evolved the vk 45.01 (tiger 1(P) evolved) versions from Porsche, Henschel and Krupp, all where shorter with P, H and K.

[@Yoasts]

Blud got that hoi4 sfx and music

[@Angelthewolf]

This is not true, the P does stand for Porsche because many people think it was made by Porsche, the difference being that it wasn‘t even called Tiger II (P) in the first place, they were simply referred to as early turret and production / late turret

[@auricom8472]

Im wondering what this videos source material is.

[@ottaviobasques]

I'd say the P or H was more of an distinction between the factories it was to be produced (of course, it's just my speculation.) But I think the suspension used would be a better distinctive factor.

[@STHV_]

You are only partially correct. Gaijin in typical Gaijin fashion got the names wrong due to all the misinformation surrounding the turrets, thats it. They are not prototype turrets, the rounded turrets are the first iteration of the Tiger II turret, it was replaced by the later more square turret just like how the Schmalturm replaced the standard Panther turret on the Ausf F. The turrets in both cases were replaced as the narrow face replacements were far cheaper, easierand faster to produce ,stronger and provided a far smaller frontal target. They were designed as breakthrough tanks to replace the Tiger I not as some propaganda peice, although they were featured in many films for that purpose just like most German tanks. They were always meant to be used in combat which is why they were. The only Tiger II that were not intended for comabt were the first 3 prototypes as they were made of mild steel not hardened armour steel. The second prototype, V2 still exists and is the only remaining pre-production turret Tiger II in the world, it has recently returned to Bovington tank museum after being loaned to a number of mainland European museums.

[@EvilOesi]

So, you are wiser than literally ever historical book about german tank names. I am so glad we got people like you on social media to keep us so well informed about what you pulled out of your arse. How did you even come with that kind of info? Last page of Google Search?

[@Rojo-he9pz]

If I'm correct the Porsche version used the prototype turret or something like that So that would make both of you correct kinda

[@gnaruto7769]

"Why were prototype tanks sent to the frontline?" Children were sent to the frontline.

[@ShieldGeneral]

Still the turret cheecks is what i aim

[@I-I464]

Very cool! Must take very long to research, record and edit these videos, nice!

[@filipbitala2624]

Not really, since much of it is made up

[@p51_mustang109]

I love the round turret of the tiger 2 p

[@TavaAdam_TR1]

it looks more sexy them curves make the tank look nicer but it has a shot trap tho and its weaker in armor

[@germony5956]

Fun fact : the early turret had the front curved so that it could fit the mount for the gun trunnions.

[@tridantausvalactaus]

The Germans realised it created a shot trap, which is why the final variant had a flatter turret

[@germony5956]

@@tridantausvalactaus This and they realized that the turret coasted too much and was complicated to build, so they simplified it with the later turret

[@MarieHenze-h2i]

Could you continue with the line

[@bobusamogus]

the turret is made for a Porsche hull that never got made

[@alexb2004_]

I’m still going to say the P stands for Porsche. If the H stands for Henschel, then the P probably stands for Porsche.

[@hanssmidt12]

Idk uf you saw my comment on the last video but thanks for pointing this out. Many get this wrong

[@oliverfreitas8593]

A Simple German Tank Prototype is yet able to bé One off the strongest tanks in the battlefield

[@TFrog1324]

Terrifying for it’s mechanics maybe, I don’t see how a broken down tank that was abandoned by its inexperienced crew would be “terrifying”

[@MidnightRoselle222]

Yes, they broke down often and many times were abandoned due to lack of parts, but no soldier that wasn't on the same side as a Tiger II would be calm if they saw one pointing towards them. The entire design is literally a Tiger I gun that is really powerful, and extremely sloped armor that is hard to pen. Also, keep in mind that, since these were Prototypes, the Allies didn't exactly know their weakness because they were a new design and not a common one. Sometimes, seeing something you don't know much about is enough to scare you, especially when you do know it can probably blow a Sherman away.

[@TFrog1324]

@@MidnightRoselle222 I mean yeah I’d be terrified if I was fighting any tank

[@commandershortsight]

You would never see a broken down Tiger II on the frontlines Because they couldn’t get to the frontline in the first place because they were too damn heavy for the bridges

[@lyndoncmp5751]

@commandershortsight Tiger IIs actually saw extensive combat at the front, beginning in Normandy. They got to Normandy. Bridges didn't stop them. Saw extensive action in the Aachen battles, Romania, Hungary and before Berlin. Only the Ardennes was problematic to get across but all tanks suffered there. It was poor tank country for all types.

[@TFrog1324]

@@lyndoncmp5751 they consistently broke down, so even though they were deployed in areas, they didn’t really see combat

[@BlobBoi]

50 prototypes???!!!! Who's fucking idea was that during such times?

[@357reasons7]

Oh you are Latvian? That is cool. Heya brother!

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

I thought they had two designs for the tiger 2 with their own turrets, like 50 of the P turrets were made but its design lost to the one we all know today and they just didnt want to waste the P turrets

[@Habschaden]

Yeah what your saying is true, the short is misinformed here

[@SirCabooseCCCP]

@@Habschaden Ah, thanks!

[@Nop01]

@@Habschaden ”The initial design is often misleadingly called the "Porsche" turret due to the misbelief that it was designed by Porsche for their Tiger II prototype; in fact it was the initial Krupp design for both prototypes.[19] This turret had a rounded front and steeply sloped sides, with a difficult-to-manufacture curved bulge on the turret's left side to accommodate the commander's cupola.” The short is NOT misinformed.

[@vascotank2143]

⁠​⁠@@Nop01they weren’t prototypes though. They were pre production turrets. It was neither prototype nor Porsche. Granted, the pre production turrets were made for Porsche’s tiger ii but no hulls were completed so the 50 or so pre production turrets were put on Henschel tiger ii’s

[@bruhmoment3741]

Nope. The tiger 2 P was essentially the early version of the tiger 2. After some time, the late model, H, came into play wich got rid of the bended steel on the sides.

[@roastedsand5917]

The first 50 Tiger II use turret originally built for Porsche VK.45.02 (I guess this is where the Porsche turret myth origin) But since Porsche and Henschel VK45.02 (Tiger II) was cancelled (the project only last for 6 month) infavor of Henschel VK45.03 (Tiger III), the turret was later converted to be used on Tiger II Oh yeah... Tiger III was renamed into Tiger II on 3rd March 1943, because the real Tiger II was cancelled anyway

[@roastedsand5917]

Bit of side note Just like in VK45.01 (Tiger I), Krupp is also the one who design and made the turret for VK45.02 (Tiger II), while Henschel and Porsche built the chassis, the Krupp also later design and built Serial-Production turret in Tiger II The original Henschel VK45.03 is bit different than final design in Tiger II, there is several change like increase armor thickness, removing driver viewport ,ect

[@lecusz_2168]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Daimler-Benz also made a prototype Tiger II (P), It's called the VK 45.02

[@Nick_Tank-Maker]

The only thing left to figure out is why they created 50 prototypes (if that includes the ones from Henschel Proving Grounds)

[@frankrichter1634]

Entirely incorrect Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger II with Porsche Turret ( hence the P) was the early Tiger II version prototypes of the Tiger II include Vk 45.03(H) ( wjat we later see as Tier II(H) Vk 45.02(P) vorne Porsches Design that didnt made it Vk 45.02(P) hinten Alternate Porsche Design Bith Vk 45.02s Hulls was not finished as Trials Began just the Turrets and again with bend of Luck it was decided to Utilize the Porsche's Turret is mounted on the early Tiger IIs as the Turrets ran then out the later Tiger II was fitted with Henschel's designated Turret

[@SANDWICHbagG]

If you knew anything about German tanks you would know they is the letters VK witch means prototype. The P stands for Porsche and H STANDS HENSCHEL QUIT SPREADING LIES

[@SLTO7_PRO12]

Also sending it to the frontline is useful because they can see how good the tank is in real combat

[@sebekdan7]

Its war crime to put red cross on a tank😱

[@Remnantov]

Yes, but that is not a red cross

[@stoppingtime3066]

Ngl Tiger 1 or 2 it doesnt matter Most tankers shoot at the frontal armor in ww2 primarily soviets, if someone argue with me just take a Look on a T34-85 Optics and goodluck shootint tanks more than 800 meters

[@SPARTAN_Cayde-26]

Why would they have made 50 prototypes??? Like normally they only make one and then make the production model.

[@Gus88859]

Its porche ,not prototype ,not production. Build for the porche prototype by krupp, thus designated porche. Used for the henchel cause krupp already had built 50 turrets cause porche thought his prototype was gonna win. Then krupp built the better turret and designated it H for henchel

[@UltraAviator]

If you actually believe, that what your saying is true, then explain why the fuck you would make hundreds of turrets for it. The tiger 2 p had its turret designed by Porsche, because like in the tiger 1 competition, Porsche was certain that they would get chosen to produce the tank, so they pre produced turrets, that then later got put on Henschel hulls.

[@JedociderShou]

Both turrets are designed and made by krupp, correct but the ones using the pre-production turrets aren't prototypes, they just used the already made turrets by krupp because it would be a waste not to do so. Krupp redesigned the turret because the first design proved to be difficult to manufacture. Ps: designing and making the tiger 2 is already a waste of resources lmao

[@matteolorenzogirardelli436]

Krupp? That became ThyssenKrupp?

[@riccardobiagini9231]

I need to watch from the comment section because the sub button is in the way😂 but good video anyways!

[@alonsotorrens]

Doesnt the P stands for pre-production since the turrets were built by mistake?

[@royearle1673]

I mean, fair enough, beeg tank make stuff go boom, is scary. Prototype or not.

[@charlie_magne_103]

Most (96%) of these tanks… like all of their tanks were sent to the Eastern Front

[@stultus420]

I love you Remnantov ❤😘🥰

[@Remnantov]

@@stultus420 Happy to see you here, (dumbassinlatin) 420!

[@oliverhamzic5098]

Bruh he was right that this ep is nothing special but ok...

[@falin9557]

Prototype tanks were designated "VK", not (P)

[@Aidendeck]

Im guessing he was running out of ideas so he made this video

[@TclNuke]

I just realized that the tracks shields are different xd

[@54oguzz]

P not means prototype VK means prototype in German.

[@Notname104]

Tiger 2 panther is the mix between tiger and panther

[@panzerscholade8252]

Unfortunately most of them ended blew up and abandoned by their crews...

[@michallenner6786]

Did I see a warcrime on one of the tanks?

[@Osmanli_imparatoru1.DarthVader]

Also after those tanks first War allied soldiers started to have panzerphobia(yes this is a Real phobia)

[@thatlastsam5234]

This kinda reminds me of the P.1000 ratte. Yes, it is big but completely well..A complete waste. However, i do like the idea of german wonder weapons due to some looking like something out of Wolfenstein(fun fact, some wonder weapons were used in Wolfenstein) or Marvel and DC. But how did this video remind me of all of that is well. The heavy belief of some.. people treating german heavy tanks as God tier, so much infact that it could outrank the IS2, TDs, Most transmissions and last and certainly not the last, Having speed. But to be honest, im neither on the whole Tank argument, i like all tanks the same regardless of how many flaws it'll have. (Also good vid!)

[@ottaviobasques]

Absolutely huge target. Hell, I believe having one near the shores would be asking to be bombarded by Royal Navy ships and aircraft.

[@ocenian]

Porsche tanks: no front engine, s l o w

[@Patrix-tankbuilder]

I love thoso Hoi4 voices

[@swagdaddy_4206]

Huh.the more you know I guess

[@Dayzplayer-um9pn]

This is an overrated arguement

[@Alex_Sal]

Porsch? Back to German class

[@HeLpEr4u083]

Then what does H stand for?

[@DeineMut1er]

I think 300 p was in combat

[@margay34]

Bruh It means Porsche

[@FoxFrostXPINC]

technically the (prototype) krupp turret is the early B turret as stated on official reports

[@xXCHADGAMESXx]

Porsche prototype turret

[@arianhate53]

Exists photos I think

[@BM-13_KATYUSHA]

So it's an H&K?

[@King7ana]

That tank is trash don’t even think in use, trust me even the H is bad asfvck

[@amppari_234]

It's true it was heavy, broke down a lot, was expensive and a gas guzzler, however when faced on the front it was a fierce enemy

[@arkanirawan8834]

The Tiger 2p tank has a weak point in the front turret because the front turret steel is curved so it is easy to penetrate, even a 75 millimeter cannon can be penetrated.

[@max_vtv]

lol one video tells me it’s for Porsche the next says no it’s for prototype 😂

[@Ahlol4]

Technically Krupp made to many of those turrets and so when they were tested they needed new turret and so they just used them

[@MrPotatro]

Tiger II (P): ❌ VK.100.1: ✅

[@roastedsand5917]

Porsche VK100 project lead to Maus

[@Waterbottle334]

There is a Krupp elevator plant in my town, I just found out about their history lol

[@Holy_cow-n9j]

Tiger P (enis)

[@theambitiousjet9193]

The p ment production not prototype

[@amppari_234]

It's german, and in german production is Herstellung. I'm not entirely sure, but I think that's what the H stands for on reality.

[@azubi_0906]

I shouldn't have liked this video because everyone pronounces porsche wrong!!!!😠 IT'S PORSCHEEEEE NOT PORSCH!!!!😭😭😭😭😭

[@Remnantov]

Ok

[@azubi_0906]

@Remnantov that sounded pretty mean but it's just annoying for a german to hear that day in day out you know...

[@OldRemnantov]

@@azubi_0906 thanks for telling me I will correct my pronunciation

[@bassbusterx]

It's actually pronounced Porsch-ah as per german pronunciation

[@azubi_0906]

@@bassbusterx where are you from?

[@redrazorjp]

i dunno why the Tiger 2 P and H have the same BR yet the IS 2 and the 1944 mod. got BR increase yet both Tiger 2 H and IS2 1944 have literally upgraded armor (Hull/Turret) Now do IS series info shorts

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

Iirc, the Porsche turret (it's not a prototype, german prototypes were called VKs) had a 185mm plate behind the cheeks, so technically, it should be higher in BR than the Tiger II (H)

[@filipmisko9363]

​@@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcornwhere ? Where there are no space for ekstra 180mm plate xd

[@nevergonnagiveyouup5713]

​@@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn what 185mm plate?? Brother if that thing had 285mm of turret armor it would have been invincible and heavier than the jagdtiger thus puting more strain on the engine or maybe the fact that it doesnt exist only the H variant had a 185mm plate

[@amppari_234]

​@@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn there is not lol. It's just simply 100 mm.

[@lmbcommando09stone57]

Actually the P in it’s name sold for pork short for John pork get ur facts straight

[@SurprisedPikachu247]

Because Germany was losing?

[@0Lumine]

VK wasint the prototyp name for german tanks? cuz VK 4503 was the prototyp tanks for tiger2

[@germony5956]

Yes, Vk was the abreviation for "Versuchs Kraftfahrzeug" which means "Experimental Vehicle" in German, and you can say that the development of the Tiger 2 started with the Vk.45.02 (P) or Porsche Typ 180.

[@0Lumine]

@@germony5956 okey thx

[@Romczy]

The frick is porsh?

[@laggerfeedrrr]

So as awot player i was right

[@Bang-Ai146]

What is "P" (in German) stand for in Tiger tank?

[@EvilOesi]

For Porsche. This dude is just pulling stuff outta his ass to farm click and comments.

[@roastedsand5917]

I don't think they ever called Tiger II (P) in the first place, German just call it Panzerkampfwagen Tiger ausf.B or just Tiger II for short The first 50 Tiger II use turret that Krupp built originally for VK45.02(P) (yes, they reuse turret from cancelled Porsche tank) so i can see where this myth comming from

[@EvilOesi]

@@roastedsand5917 There was a differentiation between "Editions" also in historical Documents, so the Germans did use the terms Tiger II P and Tiger II H to a degree, at least in the beginning when they had all thoose Porsche turrets. But what pisses me of, is that did dude keeps posting wrong, half wrong or just straight up lies. This video isn his first where he does this, and I dont see any logical intention but to make money out of it.

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

Didnt thdy also have a 185mm plate behind the cheeks?

[@filipmisko9363]

?

[@filipmisko9363]

No its 100mm behind cheeks you have gun mounting points. Then canon brech and gunner.

[@Nightmare09900]

Dam didn't know that. Thanks man have a good night

[@dikfrik5236]

Making stuff up huh

[@tencosiezastanawiap2992]

Uhm cap! Only 20 Tiger II (P) were made.

[@chrisgangz3765]

Keep yapping wehrabo

[@amppari_234]

How tf is this wehrabooism? Keep on coping flerf.

[@friedyzostas9998]

Actually, calling it a Porsche turret is fine. For Tiger 2, two prototype hulls were proposed, one by Henschel and one by Porsche. Krupp made the Henschel turret for the Heschel hull (which won in trials) and the Porsche turret for the Porsche hull.

[@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn]

I saw someone else say the P *does* stand for Porsche since the prototype for tanks in Germany at the time were called VKs, heck, 2 prototypes are in the game already, the prototype Tiger I (P) and the Proto-Panther

[@friedyzostas9998]

@@I_want_White_Cheddar_Popcorn "The prototype Tiger 2" only has the prototype turret, and not the prototype hull. We already have the renowned Henschel turret on top of the Henschel hull, but only WoT has the Porsche turret on top of the Porsche hull, which would make an alternative Tiger 2 prototype.

[@shasotaualfa]

This is a lie, the P stands for the Porsche turret.

[@Nitrous_oxide_addict]

Yeah but it's still incorrect

[@shasotaualfa]

@@Nitrous_oxide_addict It's not even Porsches turret btw, the tank itself was rejected but the turret made by Krupp (but for Porsche) was later used in normal Tiger 2s with a slight modification.

[@frisho2190]

Not completely correct. Porche being the tank genius he thought he had decided to preorder the early turrets, well fortunately/unfortunately he lost and the 50 early turrets he ordered were instead used for the first batch of production Tiger II.

[@notinmyairspace]

The P stands for Porsche. Porsche was confident their VK 45.02 would be chosen, so they startet production of the turrets. However it would be Henschels design wich would be choosen. Since Porsche already set up a production line for their turrets, they just produced both Tiger II variants at the same time until they they closed Porsches production line in 1944. Although Krupp designed the turrets, they would be designated „Porsche Turret“.

[@roastedsand5917]

Just adding a bit to your comment Both Porsche and Henschel VK45.02 (Tiger II) was cancelled and only last for 6 month (April-October 1942) , because Wa Prüf 6 choose Henschel VK45.03 (Tiger II) for production instead, and Tiger III was rename into Tiger II later in 3rd March 1943 And just like you said, Krupp already made 50 turret for Porsche, so they just converted and reuse it later for 50 Tiger II, hence the myth "Porsche Turret"

[@Manii69Bananii]

Bro Stop to make Fake News!!!

[@ezraredgwell]

Not entirely true. The tiger1 P was a Porsche design and the tiger 2 P hull was designed by Porsche aswell

[@amppari_234]

Not true, it was not at all designed by Porsche. It is a common misconception.

[@ezraredgwell]

@@amppari_234 didn’t say it was fully designed by Porsche

[@amppari_234]

@@ezraredgwell and I meant it was not at all designed by Porsche. Not one part. Herschel built the hull, and Krupp the turrets.

[@ezraredgwell]

@@amppari_234 it was tho, the tiger 2 prototype was designed in partnership with Porsche as Ferdinand thought he was going to win the contract to produce but he didn’t so

[@amppari_234]

@@ezraredgwell where'd you hear this? I can't find anything that talks about Porsche designing the winning Tiger II.

[@landonstockton4016]

No, the tiger 2 p is the Porsche version not a prototype version that was actually used because it was made by Porsche, but then it got changed to the H variation.

[@Nitrous_oxide_addict]

The Porsche tiger 2 design was never produced at all

[@Big_potater]

@@Nitrous_oxide_addictIt kind of was, in normandy there is a photo of a blown up tiger ii with the earlier turret

[@Nitrous_oxide_addict]

@@Big_potater the actual Porsche tiger 2 design had the turret in the rear none were made

[@germony5956]

​@@Nitrous_oxide_addictIt was, 3 completed hulls were made, but the turret was never installed on them, work on the vehicle officially stopped on the 3rd of November 1942.

[@yesch6010]

Wrong The (P) stands for Porsche since they were the first ones to get the contract of making a new Tiger, the same with various other prototypes which were designed by Porsche. Vk means Versuchskonstruktion, which could be roughly translated to Prototype. The same goes for H-Henschel, M-Man, D-Daimler and so on.