The Time IGN Ticked Off The Internet - Luke Stephens

[@LukeStephensTV]

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[@jamesshaver2376]

Absolutely not fair. It should have been less. When a game is broken at a time it’s supposed to be finished it needs to be addressed. Too many companies are trying to push out unfinished work to meet a deadline. Not fair to the consumer

[@chillhour6155]

Arkane Fanboys are close to hideo Kojima's levels really

[@uraloser5553]

I had to sub to your channel after you threw shade at Yong Yea, but you fogot to mention his "apology" video where he played the victim and shifted all accountability of him intentionally misleading his audience into purchasing Cyberpunk 2077, he's very disingenuous, he just goes on r/gaming for the newest contraversy of the day and makes a video and he just pretends to care about it for a living

[@Dj-621]

@@jamesshaver2376 even know basically no one else had this problem?

[@JeremyBX]

“The Time IGN Ticked off the Internet” sounds more like an entire series. A franchise even.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

Way more than once

[@shintopig]

Agreed this should be a series!

[@computeraidedyami]

more like the universe

[@kw1xxx]

The whole company lol

[@mmo5366]

Endless content!

[@sudoggs]

Prey is probably one of the best of it's kind, and the Mooncrash follow-up was also really great. I hope Arkane eventually makes us a sequel.

[@BlindBison]

Hope we get a sequel or spiritual successor someday, Prey 2017 was amazing

[@psyched.shelby5391]

In my opinion, Prey was a masterpiece. On the level of the original Bioshock. We need more of those type of simulation games where you are encouraged to experiment and pick up every object and use the physics engine to your advantage

[@Wakslag]

Not enough people talk about the Mooncrash DLC, it was outstanding.

[@BlindBison]

@@Wakslag for me I didn’t care for it and much preferred the style of the mainline game, but it was an interesting experiment that many people loved. Prey 2017 is an incredible game and I really want a good sequel or spiritual successor from the same studio.

[@ruperthart5190]

I'm playing moon crash right now, it's amazing! I like it more than the main game, really forces you to be creative and get out if your comfort zone!

[@adamvifrye2690]

thank god, with no more dislikes, this kind of thing will never happen again lmfao.... thank god we are protecting the corporate feelings of ign and co.

[@JCybernix]

@@rohithkumarsp cherish it while you still have it

[@Infinite_voyager]

@@rohithkumarsp lol what , that is even worse. Dislikes behind a paywall seems like a whole new low

[@65firered]

@@rohithkumarsp I can't and make videos. Give it time to update.

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

@@rohithkumarsp I assume that's KZbin premium? I dont pay anything and can still see them lol I know its happening eventually with this soft society anyway though.

[@jakpote88]

@@Infinite_voyager i have prenium and dont see them

[@yuyanli1983]

I think the biggest issue with IGN and GameSpot is that they have so many reviewers with vastly different taste and opinion under the same company name. As a result they look very inconsistent when being compared with their own scores. Maybe the scoring system itself is fundamentally flawed.

[@John-996]

Theres some independent reviewers that are also inconsistent. But Yeah Some their reviews Get really inconsistent.

[@yuyanli1983]

@@John-996 that’s just a bad reviewer, but in this case these are usually good reviewers consistent with themselves that seem inconsistent because they share the IGN name

[@richardbrink5404]

I get what you're saying But I do think the point of that is so that IGN can theoretically review all kinds of games from what they consider to be fair perspectives To be clear, I'm not trying to defend IGN, I just mean that having multiple reviewers isn't necessarily the issue with IGN's inconsistencies. I think the inconsistencies have more to do with the way they score games rather than anything elss

[@jonnydaczko5894]

And there all lovers of woke garbage

[@user-lr6hw4dq4t]

Gamespot still better than IGN. IGN right now is full with niche reviewers

[@icarusgaming6269]

Of course the real villain here is the editor who demanded a score. Fortunately now we have the "review in progress" label, although that says a lot about the state of the industry...

[@65firered]

Let's drop a review before we're ready to drop a review and refuse to delay.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

I like reviews in progress (and independent KZbin folk do this too now, e.g. skill up). It shines more light into the thought process. The truth of the matter is that the general public is obsessed with reviews (often not to make a purchase decision but rather to validate their own views on a game they've already bought). These companies can't survive if they release reviews after playing the game for 300 hours. A review in progress for a complicated game is much better than a rushed one

[@SunlightGwyn]

Dan Stapleton actually was the editor. He was the reviewer of this game but also the Reviews Editor of the entire site.

[@65firered]

@@SunlightGwyn Oh... Hmm...

[@beyondtrash1627]

@@65firered Well if we don't have reviews in progress, people are instead just going to rush out reviews, not take their time to cover everything.

[@LukeStephensTV]

Insert joke about it being "ONE of the times IGN ticked off the internet..."

[@Guitar-Dog]

The fact the unfair rating story your telling is fair, in comparison too; TOO MUCH WATER. Game set near ocean has water. Water = bad. 7.8/10

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

No rating in recent history is as bad as a 10 out of 10 for death loop. That game is straight up dog shit.

[@65firered]

@@The_Primary_Axiom The highest rating I have seen for that game that seemed pretty fair was an 8 and even that review was admittedly being generous.

[@TheProbotector]

16 Minutes talking around and 2 Minutes coming to the point

[@MisterK-YT]

@@Guitar-Dog to be fair, (and don’t misunderstand me, I don’t like IGN and I don’t like the chick who wrote that Pokémon review), what they allegedly meant by “too much water” was that there were too many _water pokemon_ spawns. It was a badly written bullet point. Apparently the actual body of the review specified that there were too many water Pokémon. But the little bullet point TL;DR at the top said “too much water.” Again, I have no love for the people at that company. But just trying to remain intellectually honest.

[@Paradox9743]

Cyberpunk 2077 probably deserved 5 or lower out of ten at launch.

[@mohamedelkayal8871]

Did it get higher?

[@nickblack2006]

@@mohamedelkayal8871 i think it did.

[@psyched.shelby5391]

I remember booting up Cyberpunk on my 2080 TI back in december. It came out right after my birthday and it was during the holidays and spirits were so high and we had just finished the record breaking hype train that was the marketing campaign for Cyberpunk 2077. I finally get in-game and oh my god spirits have been ruined. my girl's boobs glitch through her shirt, i kill an enemy and he gets caught in a couch and the physics spazz out, i get in a car and fall through the map. It was SO BAD.

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

For some the game was $40 on preorder, so not too bad really. The lies from cdpr and other like yongyea are what pissed people off

[@pacificreed8]

If Prey on launch got 4, Cyberpunk deserved a 1 (at least from IGN lol)

[@ThePunisher0995]

The only time IGN had balls to call out a major bug and people still were unsatisfied.

[@nomercy8989]

because it was against their perception of IGN

[@Rachel-96]

@@nomercy8989 IGN haters can never be satisfied. If tunnel vision was a person, IGN haters are the embodiment of it.

[@chillhour6155]

Gamers are solely to blame for the state of the industry we are in right now, with they're zelousness and sight unseen preordering

[@Bloodhoven]

"The only time IGN had balls..." **to take away 4-5 points for an annoying yet simple technical bug while handing out way better reviews left and right like they're free candy for games in a far more desastrous technical state, with worse gameplay and lackluster atmosphere, some of which are TO THIS DAY as broken as the review edition** yeah. 🤡🥴 mUzZzD B dA eBiL eYe-GeE-EnN-hAyDuRzZz. 🥴🤡 you guys are the "special" detectives of the internet, huh?

[@Bloodhoven]

@@chillhour6155 "Gamers are solely to blame for the state of the industry we are in right now,..." **and definitely abso-troll-olutedidledey not games journalism for years of misleading your "average consumer", aka people with a real life and other hobbies than "searching the internet 12 hours a day just to be fully up to date with the broken state of gaming industry and opportunistic games journalism** talks about zelousness while blaming one group of people for a problem that was created by at least 3 different parties... thank god irony is not a dildo, otherwise you'd barelly move right now, since you are full of it.

[@mechanicalmonk2020]

This is actually something Joseph Anderson suggested as the correct way to review broken games. Give it a low score, stating that there's a good game here but there's too many bugs. When or if the game is fixed (and this is important), update the review to reflect the new truth

[@datboivenom]

Only YongYea could say something so controversial in such a boring fashion to be fair.

[@datboivenom]

@@laurencemichelle6132 the perfect sleep aid. Good on you.

[@cribacon]

@@laurencemichelle6132 I believe you mean insomniacs

[@deon_strydom_00]

To his credit the guy didn't just unlist the video as if nothing happened. He made a full video apologizing, stating why he unlisted it and that moving forward he won't be making that mistake again. But conveniently this guy doesn't mention that

[@purebaldness]

I tried a few times to get through an entire video of his and failed everytime. It's the *polar opposite* to the "YO WHATS UP GUYS ITS YA BOI KZbinR HERE" types.

[@LordOfel]

Funny bc I love this guys videos. Yea he is biased but I can stomach his calm voice, not like other reviewers lol

[@alansmith4655]

Who remembers their 5.9 for Alien Isolation because it was too hard. Game is a masterpiece.

[@m808bscorpionmbt3]

Too hard?

[@Ishaan_A]

@@m808bscorpionmbt3 yeah, the reviewer was upset the alien found him even when he stood still, not realizing his radar thing emits sound when equipped and he had to unequip it to fully hide

[@m808bscorpionmbt3]

@@Ishaan_A lol

[@existentialselkath1264]

I think this problem is just a perfect example of why rating games with a number is dumb. The ign review should explain his opinion on what he played, explained the bug and that it 'might' be fixed for launch and let the viewer come to their own conclusions. The number was just unnecessary because its entirely arbitrary

[@johnhansen4794]

97 out of 62! 37,000,003% agree.

[@SR-71Blackbird]

there was some magazine about movies which had different approach to rating - they have 3 - one for "heart", one for "eyes" and one for "brain". I feel like this is more or less perfect thing to do, since it will say more about reviewed stuff without the numbers itself. in this situation it would have big ""heart"" and ""eyes" rating but "brain" one would be lower due to game breaking bug and everyone would be satisfied

[@The_Primary_Axiom]

Meanwhile they did it again. No rating in recent history is as bad as a 10 out of 10 for death loop. That game is straight up dog shit.

[@hollandscottthomas]

@@johnhansen4794 Forfty people liked this!

[@muhwyndham]

DIfferent topic but very similar issue in Audio Community discussed by crinacle : kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmOqqI2XebKUla8 TL;DR = Rating system in itself is not bad, but very easily misused or implemented incorrectly

[@ANGELOFDARKification]

This is all dependent on the game developers/franchise. For e.g. If Dan Stapleton had given COD/FIFA/NBA a 4/10 for being buggy, he would probably have been lauded as a hero. The internet's opinions change as quickly as the weather.

[@gunargundarson1626]

@Shut up

[@Bloodhoven]

except it has nothing to do with "quickly changing opinions" but with the simple fact that IGN rated FAR WORSE games an easy 7-9/10, not only gameplay- or storywise but also games in a far worse technical state. they are also known for giving out overall better reviews for games that were rated lower by the absolute majority of games magazines/journalists and reviewers. The Prey review is like one of those yelp criticques, that South Park was mocking in Season 19 Episode 4, where kyle's dad literally hands out 1-2/5s for restaurants with awesome ambiente and food for not enough parking slots or not soft enough toilet paper.

[@coszii.7582]

@@Bloodhoven this review has nothing in relation to that south park analogy. your analogy more resembles him playing prey and rating it low because his mousepad was too small or his keyboard was broken. him rating THE GAME ITSELF low because THE GAME ITSELF was broken to the point of physically not being able to finish it is completely fair. it’s akin to reviewing a restaurant a 4/10 because although the flavours were good, half of it was undercooked and therefore unable to be eaten. which i would say is a completely fair review and reason for a low score.

[@ChaseMC215]

They pissed off the Sonic fanbase.

[@gallowsgradient]

Don't have an issue with IGN in this case. YongYea, though-- that dude's career should have ended with Cyberpunk.

[@Mementomori292]

Sheeple cannot think for themselves, sheeple needs numbers possibly not higher than 10, because you know, knowing high numbers and all that jazz is hard too.

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

Agree, don’t understand how others still care to watch him knowing he might not be telling the truth again

[@LoCoAde87]

His views have generally taken a hit which is good. But yeah, as you said, it should have been the end of him.

[@feliperojas9860]

Honestly that would never really happen since he usually just says what gamers want to hear

[@65firered]

He's attempted to make up for it, but it shouldn't have happened in the first place.

[@meggomyeggo431]

I feel like there should be a “Luke Stephens Video” bingo card where one of the boxes is “blatant dig at Yong Yea” 😂

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

Legit I stopped watching because of the cyberpunk release, such hypocrite person shouldn’t be making informative KZbin videos lol

[@TykoBrian7]

What's his beef with Yea?

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

@@TykoBrian7 he’s the one that started hyping the game and not telling the truth after supposedly playing it. And then he started shitting on it as if he didn’t get paid before to say nice things about the game

[@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592]

Why does Luke hate Yong Yea so much. I don't get it. Just the cyberpunk stuff? Yong probably played it on PC where there was less bugs.

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

@@somasundaramsankaranarayan4592 No one hates him you missed the point. He embarrassed himself and became a meme of an "informative youtuber" because he crapped on the game he helped hype so much. Do you think yongyea just unlisted those videos because he didn't like them? No, he did it because they are evidence of him being manipulative and a liar.

[@seraph3665]

I agree , a review should reflect the experience of the reviewer and nothing else , releasing any game with bugs should be unacceptable , we pay them 60$ for the game not 10$ each patch when they fix their shit

[@jackjude]

Extremely hard to release something without bugs on PC - how many combinations of hardware and software are in PCs? Millions.

[@Hwardable]

So you should give a good score if it has game breaking bugs?

[@jackjude]

@@Hwardable you should ascertain whether it happens on other PC configurations. PC is not an ideal platform.

[@chillhour6155]

@@jackjude game breaking not simply buggy

[@seraph3665]

How about cyberpunk 2077? It was broken on all platforms not just pc , and yet the price we paid was 60$ , however many combinations there are isn't that much of a problem nowadays because of how streamlined everything is , this isn't the 2000's when everyone was doing their own thing (like 3d render cards and what not)

[@nadiajustnadia7941]

I’m glad I’m not the only one who is STILL UPSET AT YONG YEAS REVIEW.

[@pacificreed8]

Yeah, just more lies we bought into. It was really cringey watching him walk it back after the blowback, too.

[@nadiajustnadia7941]

@@pacificreed8 omg that original video was so bad. The whole thing about the story line being like branches of a bush because there were so many routes to go. Such bullshit he completely described a totally different game from what we actually got as if he played cyberpunk in some parallel universe. I still can’t believe people are subscribed to him after that. He can not be trusted in my eyes.

[@channel45853]

@@nadiajustnadia7941 he may have not completed it many times or replayed it before review. I think video game critics or any critic should watch or play a media at least two times before a review. Especially when it comes to RPGs.

[@exysa2798]

YongYea got $50k by CDPR for this Review

[@niki_bbb]

Lmao that Yong clip is golden, never forget.

[@Hyppetrain]

sadly people forget

[@niki_bbb]

@@paco1667 thumbnails are one thing, but his coverage and subsequent change of tune singlehandedly destroyed my faith is all “independent” reviewers…

[@theorangecandle]

All he does is read Twitter for a living

[@cynicalmemester1694]

It genuinely baffles me that Yong called 2077 a masterpiece with so much substance and a game of his dreams despite playing on an incredibly broken pre day 1 patch of the game, rushing through the main storyline and most likely missed many of the sidequests that the game has to offer just to meet the review deadline.

[@srslywhathappened]

@@theorangecandle and Reddit. Mostly Reddit these days lol

[@ruperthart5190]

I see your point and appreciate the balanced approach however I think its worth noting that it's impossible to release a 100% bug free game and the best way to spot bugs is to beta test / release the game to the public. Even though it's game breaking, it doesn't mean it is reasonable to expect arkane to have found it. It's one thing for a game to be a buggy disaster like fallout 76 or cyberpunk, but Prey seemed polished where it counted.

[@TheThirdWorldCitizen]

Prey is such a good game, had lots of fun playing it this year

[@StefanConstantinDumitrache]

He really, REAAALY enjoys dunking on Yong, I love it :D

[@TykoBrian7]

Why?

[@StefanConstantinDumitrache]

@@TykoBrian7 why what? Why he dunks, or why I love it?

[@miguelmontero1729]

@@StefanConstantinDumitrache both

[@belltolls1984]

Yong is terrible; he literally just reads an article on camera

[@dr.loomis4221]

@@belltolls1984 yup pretty much...he waits for someone else to do the work and he just regurgitates it.

[@zerfism]

"Yes he really did that" >shows a ss of yongyeah making a response of why he deleted his video >makes a case for why reviewers trust in trusted developers to make fixes in their games before release

[@SolracNexus]

If IGN were a business analyst it would claim that my local banana vendor has more market value than tesla...

[@antomanifesto]

THERE'S. ALWAYS. MONEY. IN. THE. BANANA STAND!!!

[@andreymagnuss]

YongYea having a figurine in the background doesn't mean he was sold out. I believe that this figurine was actually given to reviewers during one of the showcases of the game in 2019 or 2020. I just consider YongYea to have a bad taste (to his credit, he's mostly reading news and not reviewing games).

[@Sammo212]

Honestly, Cyberpunk is why I look at Yong Yea AND Skillup less...on top of Yong generally becoming a complaint mill.

[@TheWorldOfVideoGamingOfficial]

I think, the 4/10 was ok as a review. It reflects the tester's experience. I mean, IGN was not the only one getting review codes, so people can go to metacritic, for example, and look up the score from many different testers.

[@jonahthejedai4973]

I never assign a number rating to games. It’s just too hard to do. I am someone who adores Fallout 4 for example but I am not blind to its shortcomings, those two realities exist, so how does one reconcile with a number to assign to something they love even while flawed?

[@SuperTsogo]

Fuck watching the whole review. I'm just gonna glance at the score.

[@ImUrZaddy]

1.25/5 for your comment

[@CriticsConfession]

Prey is genuinely the best and most underrated game I've played since Dragon's Dogma.

[@Garrus1995]

Dragon's Dogma was a fantastic game. I really hope that Capcom makes a sequel someday.

[@Shyftus]

Agreed

[@AnthonyRusso93]

Igns issue is being too generous this was totally fair. Modern Devs are totally incompetent

[@jonnydaczko5894]

Another epic IGN fail was when the reviewer for the RE2 remake slammed the game for being too short and not worth the full price without completing the 2nd run with Claire lol.

[@bulletxwound3559]

People always giving Bethesda a pass is the reason why developers just started releasing unfinished games

[@RegalPixelKing]

This was a very level headed way to look at this situation. I find it stupid how whenever almost any game reviewed by IGN gets lower than a 7/10 (or even when it does get a 7/10 because the score was not high enough) that people complain and dislike bomb the video. I think it would do better for IGN to get rid of scores outright or at least overhaul how they score games because adding a number to the end of the video removes any value of what is actually said for the whole "review" part of the video review.

[@John-996]

Not sure about you But 5 out 10 should be used more for a game you think is average now that we are pretty much in next gen And Games cost more I have Higher standards for them Now. I hate the fact that 7 out 10 is considered adverage.

[@brunorichardson97]

Last time they got dislike bombed was for the Shin Megami Tensei V review... they gave it an 8.

[@RegalPixelKing]

@@brunorichardson97 That bombing was a bit more logical though. The reason was not because "8/10 is too low for this game." It was because the reviewer basically said "This game isn't like Persona 5, and I wanted Persona 5 with a different skin which is why I am giving an 8/10." That's not even a criticism, docking points from a game because it's not like another game does not make sense. One of the top comments of the video said that docking points on SMT V for it not being like Persona 5 is like docking points on the next Final Fantasy game because it's not like Kingdom Hearts.

[@anthonyamato3729]

Did you play the game

[@terrydrain]

I agree. Just like a game with bugs or bad design gets shit, a review for a controversial game (good game but buggy) with a score gets shit as well. Because the score system is a bad system and it shows especially in buggy games. The shit is deserved.

[@xenomorphlover]

Finished Prey on PS5 a few weeks ago....hands down one of the best Scifi shooters ever made!

[@alejandrovallencci]

It still amazes me what gAmErS will get upset about. Not the abuse, mismanagement or corruption within the industry, but rather if characters are sexy enough or if a reviewer says “game bad” about a game they like

[@Kitsune2Megafan1086]

This still holds up👍

[@_sofie]

The YongYea call-out lmao

[@brent8407]

just think of this. Someone buys the godfather movie in a store but it turns out the disc got damaged in production (the whole batch of the store is damaged) which doesn't allow him to watch the final 20 minutes of the movie. He then proceeds to call it a terrible movie even though he thought it was great up untill that point. Does that make sense? No, it fucking doesn't. Why is a game treated so differently? Sure it's fair criticism to point out that they did something wrong during production and you can demand a refund but it doesn't make sense to rate the product as a whole based on something that is not present in all versions.

[@jiahri2486]

So by this logic, death stranding should be a 2 out of 10 because I got a glitch on my PC that kept making me fall through the geometry despite most never experiencing such an issue. Right?

[@zenixkiryu]

Yes. If you had a bad experience with any game, especially due to factors that are beyond your control, it deserves a low score whether you finished it or not.

[@ZGamingGuy]

Didn't really care about his score personally, but I feel like he would have saved a lot of headache, if he had just said something like this at the end "If I was to rate this on everything I played up to the game breaking issues, it would be something like an 8 or 9. But in its current state, it simply isn't justifiable to go above a 4" Unless he did say it. Ganna be honest, don't really watch IGN reviews. Just basing this all on what was said in this video

[@Beertraps]

He did exactly that. It is even mentioned in this video just like that. 2:35 He said that he really like the part of the game that he had played, but he could not finish the game because his PC version was too buggy.

[@frozenpancakes]

No one cares about my opinion, but I would've thought we'd all be commending the reviewer for being truthful about his opinion, instead of all the false good reviews we're used to seeing

[@WoolleyGamer]

Youre such a voice of reason man. Thank you!

[@SuperSubject20]

Main issue for me are number ratings in reviews. When you rank subjective art numerically people are bound to compare them to games with similar scores and pay little attention to the review itself.

[@TheAlphawolf6]

I also encountered a game-breaking bug in Prey, luckily thanks to Reddit someone taught me how to to fix it because it would have VASTLY changed my experience with the game. Probably would’ve brought my score from a 9 to a 6 if I were a reviewer.

[@AstonishingRed]

NO Japanese game development studio asks the people who buy their games to wait for the game to be better optimized, or dare I even say “complete”, AFTER the game has already been purchased. I just don’t know why people tolerate this from western game studios.

[@Burnape]

This just happened a week ago with the most recent Pokemon game. It'll be more common soon

[@claytonweaver7335]

I think performance is an essential part of the review for gamers looking to pre-order or buy on day 1. Not only is it appropriate to call out bugs but its quite possibly the most important part of the review in this day and age. I will say that I find a critic's Game of the Year list to always be more interesting than the numerical score they put on the games at release.

[@bigskypioneer1898]

*100% THIS!!*

[@lyss1305]

I think it's unfair to put a score on a game you didn't finish. He could have made a review stating he wasn't able to finish the game because of a major bug and postpone his score for later, espacialy considering this bug wasn't affecting most players and the game worked fine on consoles. Most people won't even read the full review, they're just gonna see the score, see the big 4 and won't try the game.

[@JimboCruntz]

No. If you can't finish the game because it's broke, the game deserves a bad review because the reviewer had a bad experience. If the reviewer didn't finish the game because they hated the game, that deserves a bad review because the reviewer had a bad experience. Reviews aren't concrete, they are just opinions, they are a reflection of the reviewers experience and they can review however they want.

[@terrydrain]

Okay, here's my opinion: It should be called out. But review scores are BAD by design, and trying to convey something as multifaceted as a game (bugs, monetisation, diversity, working conditions, etc) in a reviewscore is just plain bad. When trying to discuss the above problems they should be done outside of reviewscores, or review scores should not be there. Just like games get blasted for bad design, articles should be for their design (review system) if it doesn't work. In this case, a complex dilemma, needed to boil down into a number. Some love the game, and some thought it was broken. Where do you put that on a scale? Whatever you do in that situation, no number will feel right and everyone will be mad.

[@BonzerMrT]

I played Prey for the first time this year. And holy crap it was FANTASTIC

[@TrueDiox]

It's not a reviewer's job to score a game's potential. Only what it actually does. Simple as that. At the very most, agreeing to redo the review after bugs are supposedly fixed is more than enough courtesy to offer a developer.

[@HH-mf8qz]

Good to see you back Luke Hope the algorithm gets things rolling real soon, as your videos are always of high quality!

[@nomercy8989]

I mean if you buy a car and it explodes on you no one is going to blame you for saying it's a bad car even if you are the only person in the world who had this happen to them.

[@marcusblackwell2372]

The title: "The Time IGN Ticked Of The Internet" Me: "Which time? You do know there were others, do you not?"

[@rishabhmalhotra7017]

I LOVE how Luke keeps throwing shade at Yongyea hahahahah, I fucking enjoy it every time

[@TykoBrian7]

But why?

[@LordOfel]

@@TykoBrian7 most ppl rather see shit thrown against a whall than ppl cleaning it

[@HeintjeMTB]

Why is a review score still a stationairy thing? Every patch should have it's own score. Now I understand that reviewers don't have the time to review every patch, but in case of a bug like this it would be worth it.

[@aisadal2521]

You mean the time where they unfairly criticized the Pokemon Gen 3 remakes for having too much water, or do you mean their overall reviews which aren't all that fair and holistic to begin with?

[@nickblack2006]

Hahahah thank you :)

[@brendanu3335]

Wasnt that because the game mechanics depended too much on water types and the editor fucked up the writer's work?

[@CeliriaRose]

Not really unfair. The point that review was making was that there was an imbalance of types where water pokemon were more prevalent than others and that particularly late game there was a lot of reliance on traversing water areas and using surf and dive. This was fully explained in the review. But because it said "too much water" in the bullet points at the bottom people instead decided to kneejerk about that without bothering to actually read and learn the context of the statement.

[@brendanu3335]

@@CeliriaRose gamer brain kicked in for too many and others don’t actually look into situations.

[@BiggestMikey]

Next time you should cover IGN giving ALIEN ISOLATION a 5/10 because--and get this, *THE AI WAS TOO UNPREDICTABLE!* 🙃

[@thegrove5259]

And call of duty gets 9 each year

[@BiggestMikey]

@@thegrove5259 without fail

[@travisbewley7084]

They just shouldn't have given it a number then, especially if they knew it was a rare issue that only happened on PC. Early reviews can poison the well in sales, just like shill reviews can prop a bad game up.

[@davekeyart7641]

Great points Luke! Some can see this as unnecessary video bcs its not "news". But this has to be talked about. Keep it up!

[@serathaevistille995]

Honestly I just hope Dan gave the game another chance after launch day and got the enjoyment he deserved. I really do think there was no malice or ill intention behind his review, he just had an unfortunate experience.

[@Majestic7274]

Well you know how it goes, when an opposing viewpoint shows up, logic and reason go out the window

[@SkeeLoGreene]

This whole situation confuses me, because I've been watching IGN for awhile, and I could've sworn that Stapleton was the reviews editor. As in, he couldn't have been forced to put a number on the review because he's the guy in charge of the reviews department

[@alexyeager7995]

I am glad he stuck to his guns, we all b*tch and moan about when they give an unfinished game a 9/10 and yet this game obviously was busted for him so he had to go negative, I am actually proud of IGN for once

[@jayzer150]

I’m all here for the Yong Yea slander

[@deltafive_o-first2417]

“Do have any idea how little that narrows it down.”

[@Teabagsforlife]

" A person reviews the game and gives it a low score because it has a game breaking bug and despite numerous tries to fix the problem he can't play the game, even after contacting the publisher. This makes fans of the game angry, despite the reviewer explaining that he enjoyed the game when he was able to play it, but that he had to be honest about his experience with the game. The fans didn't care and where still angry. " How do u turn this into a 20 min video, my god...

[@MidnightMedium]

One could ask that about nearly all of the projects on this channel XD Quite a lack of editing out repetitively expressed thought

[@isaacalexander5286]

I can forgive IGN for their review on Prey but I won't forgive them for Alien Isolation that was just unacceptable.

[@TheMysterieRPGguy]

I've been saying for years that if more reviewers gave broken games a low review score studios like Bethesda would have cleaned up their act a decade or 2 ago and actually release a working product.

[@Slyslug]

My first game with them was oblivion, as was with most probably (exception being morrowind probably) anyways I don't recall many bugs in that game if any when I played it (I was young). A while ago people were saying "bugs make Bethesda games funny and great", I think this was for skyrims release. Now I don't know when the hell this "bugs make it great" thing started but damn is it untrue and unacceptable.

[@TheMysterieRPGguy]

@@Slyslug Oblivion wasn't too bad that's true but it sure had some issues (at least for me), they got much worse over time but even before skyrim Bethesda had a reputation for releasing buggy games. They were allowed to get away with it for so long that they started slacking off oblivion had some problems Fallout 3 had more and so on. I think the main problem is their old game engine, I think it dates all the way back to the late 90's and it still has bugs in it from that point in time, they "upgrade" it every time but at this point it's like putting a bit of duck tape on the hole in the titanic.

[@INhumanLAST]

The problem is that rating for games are given on launch day and ratings stay forever.but there are a subset of gamers who just buy after a long time and this rating affects their judgement even though the game is completely patched out

[@Pumba424]

I’m not some super fan of yong but why does he pick on him specifically so much? There are many many youtubers that do the same kind of thing. Yong also isn’t even close to the only one to declare CP2077 a 10/10 masterpiece before launch.

[@lunch_trey]

My biggest takeaway fron this is Dan should've talked with his fellow IGN reviewers that were playing the game on console and asked if they experienced the same game breaking bug. Let's be honest, there's a history of the PC ports of games not performing well as their console counterparts and in this day and age of gaming the PC versions are usually seen as the "be all, end all" version. A simple solution would be for all reviewers who play the game on different platforms to compare notes and experiences and come up with a score together instead of just one person doing so.

[@JCybernix]

I blame the fans: it was the same with fallout 76 before release, it was the same for anthem before release, it was the same for cyberpunk before release. People just get blinded by the hype and downvote any vid that doesn't alight to their hype. I remember gamespot gave GTA 5 a 9/10 and not a 10/10 and people downvoted the heck out of that vid and attacked the reviewer.

[@blackshadows6019]

About long term damage, you should really check Colontonios' opinion on this situation

[@GameoftheYear-fx4mq]

Fun Fact: YongYea is both the english dub for Father Pucci in JoJo's Bizzare Adventure: Stone Ocean and Kiryu in the upcoming Yakuza Gaiden and Yakuza 8.

[@All4Randomness1]

You make a persuasive case here, my problem is that the score was not representative of his experience with the game as a whole, which was undoubtedly positive until the bug occurred. What about the 34 hours he DID get to play? We receive no indication of the game's overall quality with such a condemnatory score. This wouldn't be a problem if reviewers weren't forced to quantify their opinions, by the way. How can anyone encapsulate an aesthetic experience in a ten-point scale?

[@TheKripox]

That score very much can be indicative of his overall experience, even if most of it was good having the end spoiled that bad can sour the entire experience in hindsight. Good example, Game of Thrones. The first 4 seasons were almost universally praised with tons of people claiming it was the best show they ever watched, but when the show ended with the final stretch being an absolute fucking dumpster fire the reputation of the show as a whole took a huge hit and I saw many complaints from people feeling liek the entire thing was now ruiend for them. If a show with a terrible final season can induce that effect in people, then a good game that suddenly perma crashes and cannot be finished can very much have the same effect.

[@rockin97ful]

The world we live in, U can launch a game in a buggy mess and it won't get blasted coz it will get fixed

[@bloodofdepanta]

People still complain about the woman from IGN who was rightfully critical of cyberpunk 2077. She had fantastic points and they shoved her off because gamer bros dismissed it as woke.

[@martyfromnebraska1045]

Poor women.

[@Pandaman314]

Man your content is always amzing and in depth, tough to find channels like yours, great stuff!

[@SilverSoldier25]

"The Time IGN Ticked Off The Internet" Do you realise how little that narrows it down?

[@lowercvse]

For the last few days, I've been looking at playing Prey for the very first time. Really interesting timing on this video. A sign? 😂

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

What is he supposed to say, when a company sends him a broken game?? If he says "the game is AMAZING, I just couldn't play it!" Then people are screaming about IGN being dumbasses for giving a review to a broken game that he couldn't play. They DEMANDED a rating, so he rated the copy he received! And I honestly couldn't give that game a rating over a 5/10 anyway.

[@brendandonohue2398]

Welp your not the brightest bulb on talos

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

@@brendandonohue2398 You're a virgin.

[@brendandonohue2398]

@@ATLsF1N3ST91 and you wouldn't know quality if you ate it but then again since you think prey isn't even a 6/10 you probably can't taste very much outside of the congealed sweat and jizz from your bodypillow

[@ATLsF1N3ST91]

@@brendandonohue2398 Prey DEFINITELY isn't a 6/10. A 6/10 is worth renting. Prey isn't worth the disc space it's written on

[@brendandonohue2398]

@@ATLsF1N3ST91 ok....i gotta ask then what games do you play? Just COD? Cause if you hate prey I can't imagine you like any bioshock game or new vegas or any rpg

[@zenixkiryu]

Reminds me of the ridiculous user reviews I saw on Elden Ring regarding the PC version. Most user reviews acknowledged the poor performance on the launch version and left low scores as a result (justly so) and some of the positive reviews STILL acknowledged the issues but gave the game a high score. Some were downright delusional and were just raging at other reviewers who left low scores and were saying to disregard the performance issues. I even saw one review saying Elden Ring would be the end of gaming because it's "too good". That was something lmao

[@tomparkin2068]

I’m still not over their review for Alien Isolation.

[@pawlogates]

Prey is a masterpiece of games design and overall gameplay depth

[@pawlogates]

I thought review is supposed to be as objective as possible? And here I hear thats its literally supposed to be the subjective experience of the reviewer lol

[@Icenfyre]

I mean Deathloop is almost unplayable for me on a 3090 with major sutters and yet people are giving it a 10/10. At least that guy had the balls to call out the problem... now IGN and the likes just fake reviews to apease certain people

[@alejandrovallencci]

I mean nothing will ever beat “exaggerated swagger of a black teen”

[@heretic117]

I’m not sure if this is when I unsubbed from IGN, but this is when I first heard about ACG, who is still the best game review channel on YT. I would have never found his channel if not for all the comments saying to head over to his channel for an actual review of the game.

[@DNYLNY]

I can’t get mad at IGN cuz that was their experience. Your cyberpunk comparison was spot on. If reviewers ignored the bugs then ppl would get mad for feeling swindled.

[@mahdijafari7281]

Now make a video about IGN and God Hand. I completely agree on this video. But when sites like IGN have a record this dirty, when they do anything unexpected everyone is going to assume that IGN has messed up again.

[@AAscension]

Luke, you are among my favorite game reviewers on KZbin. I think your videos are good, fun to watch, and well edited. I really enjoy the opinions you give about games, they give me a different view on the games I played. However, lately I have not been appreciating the repeating way you have been 'calling out' YongYea. Leave him be. You really do not need negativity about other KZbinrs in your videos.

[@SkeeLoGreene]

Gotta admit, that did seem a little outta left field

[@md.atikurrahman7445]

IGN's review was fair. No matter the 34 hour great experience. It should have gotten 1. And after the Devs fixed the game IGN also gave a new review. I loved the game. To me it's right up there with The Witcher 3 and Dying Light.

[@omnissiah7859]

I think they shouldnt have given a score at all, instead pointing out the big gamebreaking bug and then finishing the review with a score later when its fixed.

[@nosleepzzzz6550]

Lol, awesome... I remember that (YongYea), look at you Luke S. being all gangsta. Your videos be super long, but I like that you actually go very in-depth and critique everything objectively.

[@leighsherval1023]

PREY was my favourite game of 2017. On Xbox. And the Internet is a jerk

[@NealFowler]

I really don’t get the point of dunking on Yong Yea. He fully owned up to the Cyberpunk review and said it was based on the PC version not the console version. After owning up to it, it really seems uncalled for to go after a fellow content creator who’s trying to do the right thing.

[@pian-0g445]

Especially since he owned up to it and even brought up the issues of the review. Unlisting a video doesn’t mean he wants to hide his mistake, but stop people from watching a misinformed video

[@DrRexie]

I can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with IGN if the game is bugged to the point where you own that progress all that work all that effort you put into it to make a decent valued review was wiped and bugged to the point where you can never play again I think that game did deserve the poor rating he gave it and people who are fanboying over the game should not be allowed to do this shit is absolute outrageous behaviour

[@cattywampuswiddershins]

While I hate what YongYea did post review of CP2077, I had no issue with his actual review. It's his personal opinion, and he loved it, as did I.

[@exysa2798]

Cyberpunk is a masterpiece with some flaws

[@TheAlphawolf6]

Does Luke have beef with Yong?? This is the second time I’ve seen him mention him LOL

[@dsaints2344]

Welp, he should add the dreamcastguy to the list, after giving a 9/10 to the GTA trilogy remaster, couldn't look at him with a straight face :/

[@citizen-7xl5]

The Prey reboot is a fantastic game and I’ve never trusted any “review” IGN has given, they could have very easily reviewed what he had played and gave warning about the game breaking issue before/after the review score

[@brandogg]

Don't be an apologist for companies bselling broken games.

[@citizen-7xl5]

@@brandogg I’m not being one I got the game on launch day and never had any bugs his copy was pre release so they didn’t ship a broken game since there was a day one patch and I’ve seen plenty of reviews buy ign that have been overly inflated because they belong to a series of popular games or have been marked down because of nitpicking or even just playing the main missions and not actually looking at the full content of a game

[@nathancarter3443]

i like your work, great vid. Don’t see the point on hating on Yong Yea but other than that, solid video!

[@lostcrusader8053]

The point about Yong Yea is that he's a sellout.

[@nathancarter3443]

@@lostcrusader8053 i respect that, and i do agree that the situation with Cyberpunk was a little like that but idk man it seems like every other vid he gotta call out my mans, Luke does the same thing imo but hey maybe that’s just me

[@Erkelify]

Master Chief shipping Cortana...did something incredible

[@Remidee727]

Your forgetting that ign was in a dispute with Bethesda at this time. Bethesda announced they were only going to send out review codes the day of launch making it a speed run to get the review out the door and start collecting ad revenue. When they hit that game breaking bug they used it as a way to punish Bethesda to get review code sent out early. And guess what after the amazing game Prey got a 4 bad and cost Bethesda a ton of money they reversed their decision and started provided early review codes.