The Toyota Supra - Is The Auto Version THAT BAD!? (JDM Legends Tour Pt. 10)

[@DriversTherapy]

The Toyota Supra Automatic is a pure joy. The main reason people talk trash is because they are continuing a rumor they have no real substantial evidence to support it. Kids just opening their mouth up just to open their mouth while they themselves own a Kia. I own both a manual and automatic and the automatic is amazing.

[@CruisingNinja]

Whats it like driving at speed beens as its only a 4 speed transmission. Does economy take a significant hit?

[@sergioalas5044]

Damn.... My goal for a near future is to buy one supra

[@CruisingNinja]

@@waterlevelroute so when would 4th be used? What does that mean if 4th is used as overdrive? Is that like 6th in a manual?

[@ps.6023]

they are also morons/riceboys that want to drag race and dont know that Manual Supras HORRIBLE with traction, wheel hop and in the end blowing up the rear end. which leads to the sterotypical jokes like roll racing, and what does a 1200 bhp Supra have in common with a 500BHP Supra? a 12 second time slip.

[@DogeUSA]

Driver's Therapy you buy these cars for the experience. What do you experience by pressing a pedal and braking?

[@JAKWEES]

This supra is modified perfectly. Looks incredible

[@nomessininc.]

Never knew the auto box was actually decent on these. All i’ve ever heard is people slagging it off!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Welcome to the internet!

[@lozz0dnb]

In my personal opinion they are 75% less fun than a manual

[@campkira]

it normal auto box just don't hope of 1000hp car... you will be fine.

[@phukup87]

The j3 auto is a wolf is sheep's clothing, aftermarket support is up there these days. Infact baltic supra just run 8.1 down the 1/4 full weight. 7 second factory auto street supra's will be the norm eventually.

[@pjakep]

One of the best auto boxes around

[@meisterraul]

I have an automatic Supra TT and it's amazing!

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

Im with you man, 98 auto stock tt supra. LOVE IT ..

[@nspnutritionsportsperforma6804]

Same man, I got a 93 RZ factory auto, stock turbos highflowed, bigger injectors/fuel pump and standalone ecu. Love my Supra

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@nspnutritionsportsperforma6804 getting the stock twins high flowed is a lot of work. If i am going to remove them, they are not going back on, at that point its single turbo. How much more hp did you get from all that work ??

[@nspnutritionsportsperforma6804]

@@ACommenterOnKZbin 310rwkw on Pump 98 520rwkw on E85

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@nspnutritionsportsperforma6804 and the cost for just the turbo modification alone ??

[@177SCmaro]

Automatics do have their advantages. They tend to be much more consistent in bracket racing, for example. And this is comming from a guy who really ❤'s his 6spd manual for the street.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

They are faster off the line, they shift faster than MOST people in a manual, they stay in boost while shifting ... I have a 98 auto stock tt supra and i love it, would NEVER EVER do a manual swap ...

[@mrdayumfine109]

I just got insured on my new car yesterday with Adrian Flux (1998 JDM Subaru Legacy GTB Twin Turbo 280bhp version) They quoted me quite a bit cheaper than the lowest quote I could find on Compare The Market. The representative was great, and was clearly into cars himself. Talked about my EP3 and the new legacy for a good while. Highly recommend them, especially if you have modified cars/imports ect.

[@rv9990]

Mr Dayum Fine Cool car dude!

[@mrdayumfine109]

skurt thanks mate :)

[@Ceffman]

Great video, very informative and well documented. One point I would like to refute is the 2jz vs 2jz vvti argument. Both 2jz engines share the same internals, the VVTi has been proven to reach the same power levels as a non vvti engine. If anything the VVTi is superior as it offers better low down torque and can be setup to spool a turbo faster if drag racing.

[@brendanokeeffe1813]

Yes I heard that too. I had the TT auto from 1993 imported from Japan, a solid motor, regrettably sold it after 2 years 18 years ago, hindsight and all that, no clue where it’s gone would love to track it down.

[@brendanokeeffe1813]

Yes I heard that too. I had the TT auto from 1993 imported from Japan, a solid motor, regrettably sold it after 2 years 18 years ago, hindsight and all that, no clue where it’s gone would love to track it down

[@thatloudCG5]

The only difference is the N/A one. That's where it gets confused.

[@manjbains1977]

Fantastic review and video mate. I used to own a UK model Toyota Celica Gt4 a few years ago and was a superb car. The gentleman I used to service it is a Toyota enthusiastic and owns a Supra too. Very underrated car!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks!

[@thomasdawe1837]

Awesome to see some places I recognise and have driven through many a time myself!

[@moviebod]

Excellent video and I love to see a confident relaxed and knowledgeable owner. I learned a lot. Thank you both.

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Glad you liked it!

[@ady1234uk]

It's not just the country lanes it's all roads potholes everywhere lol makes me wonder what we pay road tax for

[@spuriouspodge7416]

It's motor tax, not road tax.

[@machidaman]

Or vehicle (exise duty) tax even.

[@ady1234uk]

It just like suger tax another tax to line there pockets

[@177SCmaro]

adrian simmons So you're saying government sucks at doing stuff. Stop the presses, lol.

[@ChorltonM21]

I've never known a winter do so much damage as the one we've just had. I think they've let the repair backlog get away from them. No catching up now.

[@TheMadTatter]

I must say, as the owner of a MKIII Auto, the only thing I would change on the car is the auto box. Its not terrible as they go, but a 4 speed auto mated to a 3 litre turbo charged engine does not make for any discernable fuel economy. Granted, it could be argued that its not the sort of car you should buy if you have any sort of fuel economy concerns, but i cant help but think if it didn't have a 30 year old auto box in the mix i'd be considerably better off financially 😂

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Is the fuel economy really down to the auto box though?

[@wetlettuce4768]

Brings back flashbacks of my Volvo 850 T5 auto that thing had a serious drinking problem at best I was getting 28mpg that would be more like 22mpg when driven "normally". But you know what the fuel consumption was totally worth having a car that could wheel spin all the way through 2nd gear no sweat.

[@TheMadTatter]

While i would certainly accept some culpability for its perceived thirst, i do genuinely feel that these old-school auto boxes (keep in mind i'm talking about an 80's supra here) hold in gear for longer than they need to in 'normal' driving conditions. But yeah? i suppose i shouldn't try and convince myself that the auto box is single handedly responsible for my being on first-name terms with the petrol station staff!

[@wetlettuce4768]

I'd suspect the 3.0 turbo being the main factor to being on first name terms with petrol station staff but obviously being bolted onto an oldschool 4 speed slushbox doesn't help matters. Also I'm a massive fan of the 80s Supra don't see many of them around any more.

[@neon-kitty2281]

@@wetlettuce4768 ah the old volvos, freaking immortal cars but man, could they drink gasoline XD

[@crooky1811]

Stunning cars the Supra's, dont look old even now.

[@scanspeak00]

I thought you were going to say the confetti carpet reminded you of your shirt.

[@MrSunnyBhoy]

great review and great car. I preferred your style back then as opposed to now. You seem to be super critical of cars on things I feel are more subjective rather than big issues.

[@nikb6528]

Very nice insight into another JDM legend. Keep it up!

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks!

[@BringIt96]

Shirt selection on point 👍 cool video man, keep it up

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks!

[@aaronchamberssaabfan7397]

JayEmm on Cars you need to buy or review a SAAB would be a dream come true

[@JayEmmOnCars]

If I can I will!

[@dgo9121]

The toyota A340E once built can handle 900whp and has gone 8sec

[@kb9072]

Love these. A black one with the t-bar would be in my dream garage.

[@marinoint]

I really missed the Supra, 300ZX, and RX-7!

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

I test drove 2 manual supras and 1 auto and both the 6 speed supras felt the same. The clutch would grab way at the bottom while the release was way at the top, that was very annoying and i didnt like it. The auto was faster and it has MANU mode which is basically sport shift for todays verbage, YOU shift between 1st, 2nd and 3rd at your will :-)

[@cristianfederico2411]

That car is mint.

[@gtgodbear6320]

I'd be happy with a n/a non vvt-i 1jz automatic Supra.

[@franticfrancis9710]

GT Godbear 1jz?

[@future62]

You need to tell us where you are getting your shirts. Also this may be your best edited video yet. The b roll and pacing was just perfect. Nothing overdone. Keep it up, some of us are loving those details 👌

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Thanks! A shirt video will be happening soon?

[@SimGuyTom]

I would rather cry in an automatic supra than in my bed

[@aaronbiggin1103]

This was my dream car I bought one na auto it was fun on an empty road, but hate full in town and car parks, interior was my favourite part. Never meet your hero!

[@bambychoi9366]

Really enjoying your videos mate. Keep up the good work!

[@scoottss9302]

Definitely thought your pic was an eyelash!

[@georgesmith8988]

The 0 to 60 is 5.1s on the 326 bhp version (uk). When I drive my supra I flick down from D to 2ND when I need to overtake using the stick. As regards to the dash I remember my mother in law, (who was sitting in back) saying I looked like a pilot. Yeah the dash is great.

[@ErnestDziadekGruz]

I've got pretty much the same car. Factroy TT with a/t and I was impressed with how it behaves. Very good gearbox. Still - I'm just finishing putting 6-speed. Better expirience for sure. Mine is very similar spec. Also facelift but without tiptronic/vvti and in the same colour

[@Josh-vg4mc]

DziadekMroz6666 how did you do the swap like did you do it yourself or send it to a garage and if so did you buy all the parts and take it to them or do they source the parts or what cause I want to do this myself but haven’t done anything like this before

[@sarmatiancougar7556]

Gotta by a Turbo Automatic Supra for a first car. No need for a 1500 whp tune, yo.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

Most ignorant people out there claim that if your supra or civic or Silvia or gtr is auto, then your gay... It's all preference, do you want to constantly shift ... Or let the tranny do it for you ..?? Or do you want to drive the car in auto and know that people ARE looking at you because your in a Supra .... And they will assume it's 1k hp ... You buy this car because it's a status symbol and it's going to be or almost the 69 SS Camaro ... Of imports ... I don't know about you but stick shift does get OLD when in traffic, some it doesn't phase at all .. More power to you

[@hondaman8648]

As a v160 owner, I must respectfully disagree

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@hondaman8648 with ???

[@hondaman8648]

@ACommenterOnKZbin just the manual/ auto thing. When looking for mine I didn't even consider an auto. But I don't consider any auto when looking at a sports car. I realize it's all preference and nothing wrong with that. But everyone does expect it to be manual with 1000hp lol you're right on that. Mines only 600whp which is still plenty fun.

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@hondaman8648 I like the straight away power and the auto is the best. I do own a 600 hp manual and while its fun to shift, the constant shifting during a straight line pull kills the affect of it. My MKIV Supra is auto and its about 500 crank hp and the feel of it going from 0-120 mph with NO shift interuptions is a feel on its own. I even had passengers say the auto felt better because it felt like one gear all the way to 100+ mph and it was one solid pull. Where as in my manual, every shift i do from start to end is an interuption in the pull and they hate when their body slams forward and slams back every time i shift. I enjoy both but at the end of the day the auto wins for me when it comes to straight line power. And i can also say that being a passenger in a manual is annoying because of the constant forward and back movements during shifts

[@Dunkelzeitgeist]

Must say again... I really really need to buy this exact car off the owner and then insure it with Adrian flux, he'd get employee of the month 😂 I'd have my dream car

[@metallidude2393]

Adrian Flux we need you here in Ireland!! Irish car insurance industry slowly killing us car enthusiasts year on year. We need insurers who genuinely understand car people.

[@threezerol944t]

Great vid, as always!

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

A very interesting choice of shirt, Cletus, if I may make so bold. The " Fairies at the bottom of my garden " pattern is a very daring choice, but you definitely manage to pull it off. It also nicely sets-off your aesthetic principles. The Supra, from memory, was always a nice enough car, if a tad thirsty, and very reliable. Your well considered review is, of course, a " How to do it " example to other reviewers, and I sincerely wish they'd watch and learn from you. I've only ever driven manual boxes, and, for 99% of my driving, quite like the idea of an automatic, especially in traffic. Where's Clovis, is he still stuck in the snow⁉️

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Off working or some such nonsense. He will appear on the channel again soon

[@MrKeyboardCommando]

Working is vastly overrated, the boy should try life in the slow lane‼️

[@2702simmo]

I had a Uk TT auto same colour but with no kit on and it looked lovely. Still the fastest car I’ve owned but a pretty forgettable one. It was super smooth super fast comfy I guess but not as involving as the GTR33 I had or other quick cars. Now I’m older I’d probably appreciate it more . I sold it in 2007 to a guy in Denmark who still owns it

[@Webrmaster]

I am thinking about getting an AT TT Supra and it is 1993, I wonder if I modified it what's the max HP the Auto Gearbox can handle? I am owning a Auto Z33 and I supercharged it to 393 HP, I wonder if the AT Supra will be more fun????

[@jordanr3163]

Atf makes built auto transmissions for the supra and aristo 2jz gte

[@georgesmith8988]

Read this. A340E? (30-40LS) OEM with 2JZ-GTE twin turbocharged engines only. This is the twin turbo only heavy duty version with some internal mods. The main case is similar to the common A340E but not interchangeable, the bell housing has "J3" cast into the upper surface, and is larger diameter to accept the larger torque converter and special flex plate. Maximum power using the stock internals should be limited to 500 (significantly higher than the standard A340E used with the 2JZ-GE normally aspirated engine

[@ps.6023]

stock around 600BHP witht the ATF upgrade 1000rwhp. and its a Supra it will be fun either way

[@KoopaXross]

Does overdrive 4th gear actuall work in manual mode? Thought overdrive got disabled during manual mode usage.

[@duyninh2907]

Well in my opinion, to be honest these days with traffic rush hours, there is a lot accidents and bad drivers out there driving is madness, with manual transmission is not my daily type , I do understand that someone said Manual can control horse power with every gears, but I do rather choose Automatic because daily car I want to drive forever!!

[@RightDriveNation]

13:19 guy's checking your car out :) Supras definitely are an attention getting car.

[@jonnywalker3208]

We had 13 of these .... no joke

[@barnynotstinson1005]

what Hp can this Box hold , how much HP can you reach with little changes?

[@jamesrowan4030]

Top content as per

[@Dunkelzeitgeist]

If that specific car is ever for sale ;) I need it

[@HK.Builds]

I have an auto supra and honestly its not that bad. I still however would like to change the box but the V161 Getrag manual is unbelievably rare. So for now i just have an SRD updated auto good for 600bhp with a beefier torque converter. Fantastic review by the way and lovely Supra.

[@177SCmaro]

UgenixK I wonder if something like a Richmond 6spd could be made to fit if Toyota gearboxes are hard to come by.

[@HK.Builds]

177SCmaro it would need some sort of tunnel modification and adapter but i assume it would. People usually swap a 350z 6 spd from what I have read

[@ps.6023]

rare and discontinued. and HORRIBLE for drag racing.

[@tommynobaka]

The toyota 4 speed auto's aren't really that bad especially the 90's-00's in sport mode. They rev about all the way up to redline, but you do have to keep up the engine load or esle it'll fall flat.

[@TherealGM4NN]

How many trims did the ml4 had at its time

[@cib2413]

Nice review. You can fold the rear seats down in the RX-7 flat as well. It's the only way I can go anywhere in mine for a couple days given my wife's luggage requirements!

[@MrDreamer60]

Roy Clark how? I have a rx7 and didnt know they could

[@HaidarAL]

hi. i have a supra euro spec auto twin turbo. but i do not have this red button. what does it do ? and can i install one ?

[@Altezza1999]

Best advantage of the automatic seems to be that they don't get tuned so a purist can find a stock supra.

[@georgesmith8988]

I don’t thionyl so

[@ps.6023]

you are more of a dumbass than @Lord Chungus and his friends

[@Roadwarrior92]

James may inspired shirts?

[@karlb123456]

Nice video and lovely car

[@SpinVictor]

Sadly any auto car gets hate when they have a manual option on the same vehicle

[@jayclark4239]

When will you start selling floral shirts? Ill be honest I could see that doing well! Shirts are always on point, love the reviews

[@machidaman]

Haha, still have the flare, and my old ETC receiver, in my STi RA from my days living in Japan.

[@socalguy829]

love your videos but would be even better with a decent mic setup, the road and background noise in this video was just too much. i believe other car youtubers use "shotgun" or lavalier mics, not sure if these can be had at a reasonable price but just something to consider

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Hi, thanks for watching. I do normally use a radio mic setup in my videos but they only work for one person. I use this setup for reviews with two people talking and nornally it is fine, but the Supra's massive tyres obviously transmitted a fair bit of noise through.

[@TherealGM4NN]

Does the tt stand for triptronic or twin turbo

[@ps.6023]

are you stupid?

[@patrickhell22]

My supra looks nearly identical minus the front lip. I am still not as big of a fan as the 6 speed, but I've beaten many modern cars including a 2020 corvette zo6 and mine only has an HKS exhaust on her now.

[@nestorjrabalos1998]

I love manual transmission. But really painful driving them around congested cities. I will never drive a manual car again in cities. I don’t give a shit about what manual transmission fanboys say. Life is full of struggles already. one less struggle in your daily life is a big treat to yourself.

[@cso1580]

What would the price of this car be?

[@mariscalf2412]

Wished they would of made 7th generation celica this fast.

[@MrSteveo114]

They’re easily converted to manual anyway so it’s not that big a deal to me at least. But, I would have to convert it at some point, sports cars just have to have a manual gearbox.

[@ps.6023]

UNLESS you want to drag race, and not loose.

[@MrSteveo114]

Lose*

[@ps.6023]

@@MrSteveo114 *eyeroll*

[@bunkaaa8726]

Where are you based, dude ?! Interested in looking at my Toyota (Lexus) Soarer 1jz Twin Turbo /manual ?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

East of England but I get around, would love to do a Soarer - drop me a line on [e-mail]

[@izaaka70]

Supras were designed to be a sports car and that is what they are. Everyone seems to forget that.

[@-m.d.n-9019]

And...

[@2702simmo]

Izimujack it was quick but more GT than sports car I felt with the one I owned

[@ps.6023]

@@2702simmo more GT... you sure you owned one? seems like you didnt really drive it thus why it was comfy

[@2702simmo]

@@ps.6023 I sure did . I’d not long had a GTR33 that was the complete opposite which I lived and numerous 200sx’s. It is more of a GT anyway and that Lexus engine is a very smooth straight 6 It was mega quick just not that exciting in my opinion I had it in 2006, a Uk spec Twin turbo

[@2702simmo]

@@ps.6023 do you own one now?

[@lotusesprit38]

I wouldn't change one of the best gearbox ever made V160 for the automatic, that's nonsense. Everybody can see whats the best gearbox and it can be seen in many tests...try to get a V160 for less than a auto. I doubt you get, and its not better,faster or more reliable,thats a fact

[@_Devil]

I dont like manuals because im bad at shifting lol

[@rainhansen14]

is it only me when the camera shooting the gear almost throw out ?

[@hubbardhurlston5926]

I love supra

[@Dunkelzeitgeist]

See, people are coming Round to the fact the auto box is fine! But... AdrianFlux advert put me off, they're okay tbf but they weren't helpful at all for me and tried to make me have a black box at 21 😂

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Haha, I don't have any cars actually insured with them at present but I have in the past and they're generally better for older drivers I find

[@barnynotstinson1005]

face or pre-face is better and more raliable

[@61936]

A guy runs 9s with a 500hp automatic Supra

[@Raven431]

get a 6 speed, its notchy to the point it feels broken. but hey no "o its auto" comments"

[@ps.6023]

who cares about those tools? really

[@TheMadTatter]

The FTO died its death for a good reason if you ask me - woefully under powered in stsndard form, FWD when everything about the styling screams 'RWD COUPE' and as far as im aware they were only ever available in auto form in the UK. Mitsubishi could have made an incredible MR2 competitor and instead they effectively made the Hyundai Coupe of its time

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Yup big misstep in my opinion

[@ScottishTouge]

Andy Higgy wasn’t it supposed to be a rival to the integra ?

[@TheMadTatter]

Wasnt aware of that but it does make sense now you mention it actually. Even there though they would have missed the mark methinks.

[@ps.6023]

unless you are road racing, only idiots complain about the transmission. TRUE Supra lovers or those who want an ACTUAL Supra dont care, much like I did. Also smart Supra enthusiests will know how horrible the getrag transmission is in putting the power down from a dig and how delicate it is in that there are no more parts for it and they cost an arm and a leg. the A340 is where its at for drag and road race.

[@benbanks6880]

i switched off soon as you said adrian flux, i hope someone steals that supra.

[@idontgotagun9867]

Why?

[@joshhawkins8394]

Looking at one right now for £28,000

[@iCozzh]

Swap in a 350z manual for a few thousand. Rated to 1000brake.

[@ps.6023]

@@iCozzh and shitty as hell.

[@boskobukilica3474]

I wonder why the supra isnt modified.......

[@aedgvv6095]

i have over 12 supras in my collection, the Autos are faster.

[@ps.6023]

NUH UUUUUH JOOO JUST CANT DRIVEE.... -every ricer ever.

[@oreally8605]

There are automatic Supras that do 8.6 in the 1/4. With 976-bhp TRC channel look it up-

[@JB-F10-M5]

I have got to say I would go JDM in one of them😎👍🏽 Definitely as cool as the other side of the pillow. If I can ask a question do you know if it’s cheaper to speak to Adrian Flux insurance directly? Because having done a few upgrades to my M3 I have used the 2 main compare websites and they both said Mr Flux but completely different quotes? ?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

So Flux and Flux Direct are actually two different companies. Confusing I know! Phone them using 0800 085 6452 and they are the best people to talk to, especially if you have mods. Mention me and it won't get you a special discount but it helps me out :)

[@JB-F10-M5]

JayEmm on Cars I will say that from one Jay to another ✊🏼 That when I mentioned you to Marco @Fulltorqueautomotive.co.uk he was not only everything you recommended and more 👍🏽he stayed until 9pm to rebuild the gearbox on my wife’s bmw and even included a Respray on it so it looked as fresh on the outside 😇as it is on the inside. And repaired a slight oil leak on her rocker cover for free. So I’m more than impressed and from that day forth he has got my business. Thank you so I will certainly mention you 😉

[@JB-F10-M5]

Have you ever reviewed a Uk spec V8 mustang Jay? I have just suggested it on 27 too👌🏽 I shouldn’t like them I know 💁🏻‍♂️But I do 🙄so before I have a moment of weakness sometime in the future and possibly buy the Donald Trump of automobiles I would love to hear what either of you guys would have to say about one ?

[@JayEmmOnCars]

I haven't but I may be able to find one. Have you seen my review of the US Spec V6? Not the same I know but a lot of things about them are shared

[@JB-F10-M5]

JayEmm on Cars I haven’t Jay but I will have a look 👀 But for me it’s got to be a V8 not a eco boost or v6 although the eco boost makes the most sense it’s not the soul of a muscle car

[@JayEmmOnCars]

Oh of course, V8 all the way. I love the look of the Mustang but I must confess I am a Corvette man

[@JB-F10-M5]

JayEmm on Cars I like them to Jay but the steering wheel is on the wrong side to hold my attention 😉if I did a road trip down Route 66 I would have to have a Vet or a Shelby 😎 a dime would be flipped

[@Kapil-Patel]

Can't hold a candle to the R154 gearbox for strength. Manual>Automatic. This 2JZ is still in hibernation.

[@ps.6023]

take one on the drag strip against a manual and the automatic will win. sit down rice boy.

[@1S1KC0DM4N]

Tell that to an ATF speed A340

[@trevorthefilthyrat3742]

Too bad supras are slow AF out of the box. As much money you have to put in them to make them fast, you could have had a Porsche.

[@04dram04]

Just put a manual in it. Cant be that difficult.

[@neon-kitty2281]

that is quite the workload to do mate

[@idontgotagun9867]

Why? A real car person would appreciate that it’s an automatic lmao

[@trapaddict7237]

Most weird car vid I’ve ever watched. Felt like they didn’t know what they were in, or doing 😂🤦‍♂️

[@TybJosue]

Once I saw “automatic” I was like oh no

[@adiriko]

wrong side steering + wrong gearbox

[@ps.6023]

then gtfo and go biy a civic moron