The Tragedy of Darth Maul the Gullible - Why his Story is So Much More Depressing than Other Sith

[@badluck5647]

Some say Maul is a simple Sith Assassin, but his manipulation and cunning when creating the Shadow Collective from nothing shows he truly understood his master's teachings.

[@leroyjenkins4811]

It never really mattered. Although Sidious trained Maul to be a fierce combatant, Sidious always considered Maul’s gifts with the force marginal at best. In order to be a true Sith one must not only be a powerful warrior, you must also be a powerful Sith Sorcerer as well. Maul didn’t have that type of skill and he didn’t have that type of potential. Sidious was also something of a racist too. He was primarily building the empire to be a human centric entity to allow humans to spread out into the galaxy as far as possible. Sure, he kept particularly useful nonhumans around precisely because they were useful, but Sidious did quite a bit to suppress nonhumans and nonhuman culture. He was especially hard on nonhumans who weren’t near human or had anatomy and features that significantly deviated away from baseline humans. When he saw that he could have everything he wanted from an apprentice in Anakin Skywalker (powerful force potential, he was human, etc.) he never wanted anybody else. Sidious was just biding his time until Anakin was ready to be made the apprentice.

[@sophiemendez5567]

He wasn't fully a warrior either. He was made to kill, nothing more. He had the potential to be a lot better, he just never got it so he started his own thing.

[@bluzercic]

@@leroyjenkins4811 i dont think he was a racist, its just that one culture was easier to control and rule then multiple ones

[@jakehanson216]

He had the title of Darth

[@badluck5647]

@@jakehanson216 Maul abandoned the title when his master abandoned him.

[@enoughothis]

Have you heard the tragedy of Darth Maul the Fierce? It's not a story Emperor Palpatine would tell you.

[@doomfan8603]

It's a zabrak legend

[@mikkelnpetersen]

He was a tool, then he was discarded, but then he became the most dangerous tool, a THINKING tool.

[@zexalbrony4799]

And that tool had to be broken before it became too dangerous, which is why Sidious went to destroy or at least severely weaken Maul's Shadow Collective personally. He saw him as a rival and threat. So I guess you could argue for that short amount of time Maul was a Sith Lord, until Sidious crushed him, weakened him, and kind of broke his spirit, then he was no longer a Sith. He got base in the glory of being a Sith for like a minute before it was all stripped away from him.

[@grandadmiralzaarin4962]

He was never dangerous, he never had a prayer of success. He was stupid enough to openly challenge the combined might of the Sith and Jedi, the Confederacy and the Republic drawing their attention and force down upon his own head. If he had been intelligent he'd have taken his time and kept as low a profile as possible, not go right after Kenobi, fail miserably and then take over a cadre of bandits to challenge the real powers in the galaxy.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Now to be fair, he was keeping himself hidden by having Almec rule Mmandalore openly instead of himself while he started building up his criminal empire. He might have had a chance, had Sidious not sensed his growing power and chosen to intervene personally. That also says how much of a threat he was that Sidious decided to deal with him personally instead of sending someone else.

[@patmiller6231]

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 i agree with you

[@patmiller6231]

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 i agree with you

[@kanekikingstorm2113]

I’ll never forget how Sidious trapped Maul in his room with a pack of ravenous animals just for flinching.

[@lordsidious666]

😂 Good times! Good times!

[@ugoeze7360]

Wait, this isn’t a common thing?

[@JediSentinal]

that was such a good book!

[@ThiccFilA3]

Which book??

[@badluck5647]

It is amazing how Sam Witwer and David Filoni made Maul from a generic villain into a great character.

[@coletrain583]

Maul practically represented how the Sith train the next generation with the Apprentice having a difficult, unforgiving and extremely harsh upbringing, while the Master encourages his Student’s growing ambition and grooms him into eventually surpassing him. Sidous was the Sith fully realized, Maul represented the Sith reality his Master overcame and conquered.

[@AnythingMachine]

Dooku wanted to end corruption and ended up believing fascism was the only way to do it Maul was a brainwashed and abused child soldier who saw through the lies of the sith in the end Plagieus actually believed the people of the galaxy would be led to glory by the dark side and that one day people would thank the sith for freeing them Vader was terrified of losing the people close to him and wanted to impose his will on the universe Palpatine was an asshole

[@simonpetrikov3992]

I love how there’s a description involving a disillusioned visionary who became radicalized, a Visionary who was too blinded that his methods would fail, a shell of a man who was abused as a child and abandoned and another but more literal shell of a man who was also abandoned but had someone who loved him but he sold his soul in desperation but was unable to keep what he’s desperately trying to save and then there’s just “Hey this guy is a complete asshole”

[@FalconWindblader]

@@simonpetrikov3992 Well, unlike all Banite Sith who came before him, all of whom actually cared about their apprentices to a certain extent, grooming them to actually be their own successors to carry on the teachings of the dark side, Palps only ever cared for himself. The Sith, the dark side, his apprentices, all were nothing but pawns & tools in his bid to make himself an immortal, absolute being unrivaled by any in the galaxy. You can say that he's one of the few guys in his time who's actually out to screw everyone but himself, light side or dark side or whatever.

[@GPatrick137]

Sidious functioned exactly like nihilus and vitiate before him. It is surprising to learn that the sith were actually two camps, sith who think and act like darth marr and tyranus, and sith who think and act like sidious and vitiate. Those who perceive power as a means to an end: darth marr and tyranus And those who perceive power as an end in itself: vitiate, nihilus and sidious That is the story of the sith

[@bragnir]

@@GPatrick137 I'd argue Nihilus doesn't quite fit that description, since unlike Vitiate and Sidious, Nihilus was actually enslaved by his own power. He was closer to Marvel's Galactus, than anything else: an immensely powerful being, but one that is ultimately driven by the instinct that he must continue consume. Because he hungers. If anything, I'd put Darth Sion, Baras and Vash in his place: all three were Sith who didn't give a hoot about causes and were only out for themselves. Sion was freaking immortal- but he had a tendency to let himself be cut down and pretend to die, so that the Jedi in front of him would move on and challenge his master for him, then go do whatever he felt like.... Which was usually hunt down Jedi and torture them to death. Baras was a Sidious-like manipulator. Though one that lacked the actual power to compare with the big contenders of his time, he WAS still a conniving enough man to trap freaking Vitiate himself, if momentarily. Like Sidious, he considered everyone mere pawns for him to use and discard as he saw fit in his own rise to power- and he even did the false apprentice bit. Vash... Was a weird one. She had learned this fantasy hag-like ritual that allowed her to freaking possess the body of another Force User, and did her damnest to rear up her apprentice to be her successor in both power and politics, just like a Banite Sith would... But, with a catch: her plan was to take over her apprentice, and become her own successor instead.

[@lary6420]

I'm so happy Maul got fleshed out after Episode 1 into a tragic Shakespeareian character. I'm also glad it was done when I was the right age to appreciate this fleshing out.

[@Williamcantrell99]

Maul is, at his core, still that abused little boy scared of his master’s fist coming down. You see it with the fear speaks of Sidious with in Rebels, and how he is terrified just by sensing his old master on Mandalore. I think, at some level, Maul knew he was just an attack dog for Palpatine, and that fact was what made him so entitled and bellicose. He needed the galaxy to be afraid of him, because the person he had the closest bond to never cared.

[@jazermano]

Damn. That's rather accurate. And horribly sad.

[@timurjack8773]

Maul was the real apprentice. George Lucas: ''After Darth Sidious' first apprentice is killed, he has to come up with a new apprentice, and rather than coming up with some baby that he trains from birth, which is what he should have done (well, he shouldn't have gotten himself in a position of getting his apprentice killed anyways) he's decided to make his move, so he needs somebody that was already trained.'' ---Source: AOTC DVD Commentary Sidious: ''And my apprentices? Darth Maul was a loss. But Darth Tyranus... He was a proton torpedo.'' --- Source: Darth Vader #20 - End of Games, Part I (2016)

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@timurjack8773In Canon yeah before his defeat alive or not while in Legends in most sources he was only sith in name until Sidious found someone more worthwhile in Dooku and then replace Dooku for Anakin/Vader and then replace Anakin/ Vader for Starkiller or Luke yeah.

[@jonathan4158]

They made him one the most intense characters in the Clone Wars and mowed down every Clone Trooper in the final season of the Clone Wars.

[@johnycoho7830]

Was I the only one who wanted the clones to win?

[@bwc-chvd]

@@johnycoho7830 yes

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He also defeated Vader in 1 on 1 combat.

[@occam7382]

@@johnycoho7830, no. I tell you what, when I first saw the clones running away as Maul stalked down that corridor aboard Tribunal, and they desperately tried to blast him to no effect while he crushed or mutilated them with nothing but the Force and parts of the ship itself, that was genuinely terrifying. It almost felt like something straight out of a horror movie.

[@carsoncasmirri3874]

His final words “He will avenge us” is perfect. It was the promise that those caught in the wake of the machinations of Sidious would eventually get justice Jedi the survivors and revenge for the former sith like Maul

[@Mourtzouphlos240]

The Clone Wars writers have talked about the process of bringing Maul back. Exactly one (1) person in the entire organization thought bringing Maul back was a good idea: George Lucas.

[@doomfan8603]

dam

[@bagochips834]

I mean, the hardest part about bringing back Maul as a character is bringing him back to life in a non contrived way. Iirc prior to TCW he has almost no lines and very little in the way of character development besides "competent bad guy" and "awesome character design" he was fucking perfect to bring back because he could be written however the writers wanted to write him. His character was very much left a blank slate after his first appearance

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Except he never died lol you simply assumed he did. Palpatine was there to keep him alive just like he did with Anakin on Mustafar. Maul didn't die until Tatooine and then again when he beat Vader in single combat.

[@timurjack8773]

So who decided to remove Maul from Prequel Trilogy when people thought Maul was going to be in the next 2 movies instead of Dooku? George Lucas. He removed him from movies and he brought him back, it looks fair.

[@oguzhanenescetin5702]

''... and my apprentices? Darth Maul was a loss,but Darth Tyranus... he was a proton torpedo.He served his purpose and was gone... I had a superior candidate in mind.'' - Darth Sidious

[@karlrovey]

He also believed that Dooku was one of the few Jedi who could ruin his plans if he hadn't fallen to the dark side.

[@matthewmann8969]

@AhsokaFanboy1138 That was in Canon in Canon Maul had a potential that possibly was equal or surpassed Sidious own or was close to his potential but he never got to that potential nor close to it due to his defeat on Naboo plus by the time of TPM Dooku despite not having as high as a potential as Maul was currently the more powerful force user even before fully being knighted into a Sith and he became even more powerful as a Sith just as when Maul had his mind and body restored thanks to Talzin and her minions magics but still not at Dookus level plus his mind was still too damaged up to reach near or at his full power yeah. In original Legends works however Maul was mostly seen as a attack dog although a more valuable and deadly and powerful and skilled one compared to Asajj And Grievous had he not been unvictorious on Naboo then he would of served in there roles with Dooku outranking him afterall Plagueis saw Dooku who was a Jedi Master at the time of TPM Circa as a insurance apprentice if Sidious does not work out while he did not see that in Maul who was already working for them showing that Dookus potential, midichlorian count, current power levels, IQ, combat effectiveness, political acumen, wealth, and many other things aside from most physical abilities and unarmed combat were higher then Mauls.

[@andrewbarker8631]

The first double bladed Saber user most of us saw. Hail Maul!

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

Obi-wan finally freed maul from the dark side when he killed him on tatooine in star wars rebels. Obi-wan comforted maul as he was dying, he honored his old adversary despite all he has done to hurt kenobi.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Except he didn't save him from the dark side lol... Maul was brought back to life from his hate and power with the dark side and then went on to defeat Vader in single combat.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 that was from legends i think.

[@cjthebeesknees]

I always wondered how powerful Maul could have become if he hadn’t been plagued with existential crises his entire existence.

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends powerful but not as powerful as Plagueis, Dooku, Palpatine, Yoda, Mace, The Mereks, Or Skywalkers yeah.

[@zerotheg0d330]

@@matthewmann8969 I mean in the Son of Dathomir comics he fought Windu in single combat and wasn't killed or beaten or anything so 🥴 and when him and Sidious fought one on one after Opress death , Maul held his own for a good minute.

[@zerotheg0d330]

@@matthewmann8969 AlSO George Lucas said that besides Yoda , Maul was the next in tune force user when it came to meditating and feeling the force . He sensed order 66 coming and knew when it happened when nobody else did. Only Yoda felt it too, so Maul is pretty damn powerful . He could've became so much more

[@matthewmann8969]

@@zerotheg0d330 I should rephrase and say Pre TCW Retconners and tie ins or tie ups most sources say Maul while powerful and had a high potential it was not as high as Maces, Dookus, Yodas, Plagueis, Sidious, The Skywalkers, Or Mereks so yeah.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

​@@matthewmann8969 Maul defeated Vader in single combat soooo

[@brydon5721]

There was so much going on in the background with Sidious and Plaegus during the events of TPM that would've been far more interesting to focus on and develop rather than the Anakin plotline, story elements that really would've been a phantom menace to the Jedi.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Its possible that Maul could’ve been the original General Grievous, and Dooku was meant to be something else, thus giving the Jedi a false hope that Dooku was the master & Maul was his apprentice . . .🤷‍♂️…

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Mmmm but Grievous was a commander, a general, while Maul was an assassin, basically the same role as Ventress

[@nickvinsable3798]

Valid. However, @@Captain_Insano_nomercy, in Legends, Ventress basically ruled her own planet/world, but 🤷‍♂️… Otherwise, any role that wasn’t Dooku’s is technically enough & such…

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends Maul was more akin to Asajj then Grievous although more skilled and powerful and a higher potential but his potential was not as high as Dookus which is why one of the rations of why Plaguies saw Dooku as a insurance apprentice if Sidious did not work out and not Maul.

[@nickvinsable3798]

Define Legends, @@matthewmann8969. There is Genndy Tartakovsky’s Asajj Ventress & then there is Dave Filoni’s Asajj Ventress. Only one, according to Disney, is legends & the other canon, & thus you can’t claim that both versions are legends unless you want to be in the mouse’s trap…

[@matthewmann8969]

@@nickvinsable3798 I am talking Legends before The Clone Wars CGI Remakes and there tie ins or tie ups yeah.

[@brandonjordan4596]

I always considered General Grevious as Maul's real replacement. Someone who would strike fear in the Republic and would be skilled in killing Jedi.

[@StevenZissimos]

I imagine that would have been Maul's role had he not been defeated.

[@Opi_812]

@@StevenZissimos you know, I had thought about that too, but maul still wasn't much of a general. A brilliant manipulator and fearsome assassin for sure, but not a full on warlord like Grievous. Plus Maul considered himself Sidious' apprentice. If Sidious brought on Count Douku with Maul still in play, there would've been too much of a chance that A. Douku and Maul would join together and defeat Sidious to maintain the rule of 2 or B. Maul would still feel betrayed and sabotage or at least abandon Sidious' grand plan. Maybe try to assassinate Douku to prove that he was worthy of remaining in his place as Darth Sidious' apprentice. Either way, I don't think there was ever any room for Maul in the Sith Grand Plan other than the role he filled up to the phantom menace. Just another pawn made to think they're anything but a pawn, and then thrown away when no longer useful in the game

[@StevenZissimos]

@@Opi_812 I agree with you, but I think that this conflict would have made things more interesting, especially in the scenario where Maul sabotages Sidious' plan by abandoning him and declaring open rebellion. He'd probably do this by taking on an apprentice and eventually forming his own crime syndicate, just like in TCW. There's a whole What If story that could be written about this.

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Nah Ventress filled the role of Maul and Grievous was a general. Tho Ventress belonged to Dooku and Maul to Sidious I'm not sure there would be room for two sith assassins. But idk, hard to say what Palps would do if he survived

[@StevenZissimos]

@@Captain_Insano_nomercy I think Palpatine had originally planned to use Maul as a true Sith apprentice before he considered Anakin. Dooku was always a pawn in his eyes and was only meant to be a temporary apprentice. Plus, he was useful for orchestrating the Clone Wars.

[@elibridgers2781]

When I saw that Obi Wan killed Maul in Rebels, I was happy that he avenged Qui-Gon and Satine, but now I realize that Maul was the result of Sidious’s machinations, making me understand his plight. He never had the opportunity to choose a better path when compared to, say, Anakin.

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

And he wasn't really avenging them, but rather "mending an old wound" as he said. Since Maul wasn't going to stop until one or both of them were dead, Obi-Wan did what he had to do to stay alive and continue watching over Luke. I don't hold Maul's hatred against him, given how manipulated he was, and I think by "Twin Suns", Obi-Wan understood that as well.

[@bet0v966]

Which makes his last words to Obi-Wan that much more impactful

[@badluck5647]

I understood the message the writers were going for, but it was still a anti-climatic ending for an iconic character.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He would have had the same path if Palpatine never found him, he grew up in an evil society.

[@Dylan-cu4ty]

Maul went through Sith training like no other Sith before him. As intense and ferocious as Maul was, he was nothing but a victim. And he fought so hard to prove himself otherwise.

[@FalconWindblader]

Born a victim, died a victim. Worse still, the ONLY person who actually appreciated him for what he was, & tried to talk sense into him, who would even try to bring him to the light, if he was willing, was the one guy he kept blaming for all of his misfortunes. He would have actually meant something & proven his former master wrong in shit many ways, had he actually at least given up his grudge against Obi-wan.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He defeated Vader in single combat 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@timurjack8773]

Aren't all Sith victims then? Whats the difference?

[@matthewmann8969]

Depends in original Legends materials he was meant to be a expendable assassin although one that was more of more high rank compared to Asajj And Grievous but was never considered a possible successor, equal, near equal, or worthy partner based on most original Legends sources before TCW Recons yeah. Now in Canon TCW Retcons he was undoubtedly or no doubt meant to be a possible successor had he not got cut in half on Naboo yeah.

[@foxhound5699]

From reading Darth Plauguis I remember a section where Sidious wonders if Maul can ever be more than what he is, if he can be brought into the political world. Sidious dismissed those thought pretty quickly.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

​@FoxHound Sidious had Maul brought back to life post creation of the Empire to ensure he made the correct choice with Darth Vader. Maul defeated Vader in single combat and Vader only survived by stabbing himself in the belly and into Maul before Maul landed the finishing blow. He was more than capable of being Sidious' heir.

[@foxhound5699]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 where was this?

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94 That was a Cloned Maul that was amped and way more powerful then his TPM self up plus Vader still needed time to get use to his suit plus Dooku was already dead and never got time to be cloned himself plus The Mereks were not on Sidious radar yet nor were The Skywalker children at that time. That Maul was able to give that Vader a good fight because of his unarmed combat mastery plus having better speed, reflexes, agility, and acrobatics then Vader even without the use of the force kinda like Grievous in a way yeah.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94 That was a Cloned Maul that was amped and way more powerful then his TPM self up plus Vader still needed time to get use to his suit plus Dooku was already dead and never got time to be cloned himself plus The Mereks were not on Sidious radar yet nor were The Skywalker children at that time. That Maul was able to give that Vader a good fight because of his unarmed combat mastery plus having better speed, reflexes, agility, and acrobatics then Vader even without the use of the force kinda like Grievous in a way yeah.

[@danielferrieri7434]

Video Idea: How Did Maul get Spider Legs in Clone Wars

[@jotheunissen9274]

After falling in PM, Maul landed or got on a trash ship which brought him to that trash planet Savage Opress found him on I guess he grabbed some scrap to make legs using his hatred to stay alive

[@chadcortez963]

Maul could've been a powerhouse and the second most powerful being in the galaxy. Which makes his loss all the more tragic, as he spent the rest of his life lamenting his fall with all the flaws of the Sith. His single most impressive trait is his tenacity, single-minded and focused in the wrong direction.

[@pearsegallagher9832]

not second he was a true sith apprentice destined to surpass palpatine but it didnt really work out

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Darth Maul defeated Vader in single combat, he was certainly no push over.

[@insanegamer4532]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94why do you keep bringing that up

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@insanegamer4532 Because it's pertinent information that most people don't seem to know. Critical thinking is important 🧏‍♂️

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94And again EVEN IN OLD LEGENDS CANON that was never considered Canon just a fun fantasy just like the one were Old Ben defeated Maul in the morning or afternoon on the deserts of sandy Tatooine while protecting the Lars Family Ranch when Maul had the spider legs yeah.

[@TheAncientSith]

Maul definitely had a depressing life as a Sith. But I think Darth Venamis had it the worst as a Sith, since he lost to Plagueis, was experimented on for the rest of his life, and died over and over. Still Maul’s story was pretty tragic in both canon and legends, since Maul lost everything! His chance at ruling the galaxy, losing his brother, losing his mother, unable to find a new apprentice, and lost to Obi-Wan. I feel like in Rebels since he was arguably already becoming suicidal, he went to Tatooine with the thought of wanting to die. It seems like Maul during his last confrontation with Obi-Wan didn’t care if he died or if he won, he just wanted a complete circle. By this point he seems to have no purpose in his life since everyone who sided with him either died or abandoned him. After TCW Maul seemed positive he had no hope at defeating his enemies except for Obi-Wan, which is why Maul went to hunt him to take all his rage out on him. Besides not living to see it, Maul did get what he wanted as all his enemies did end up defeated.

[@filmfan2004]

We need a Maul show set between the end of CW and Rebels ik most people say his story is now fully told but i feel like there is so much left to be explored COME ON DISNEY

[@maylabrown4584]

There really isn't much to be told, he's the most explored character other than Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. That said, I'd love to see him in his early days training with Palpatine, but he'd need one hell of a teenage actor to pull that off let alone a younger Palpatine

[@AccurateThings]

Not really, we already know what he did during TCW with the show and comics, we know that he controlled a syndicate, collected artifacts and died by kenobi but there really isn’t any part of his story left told. Disney should spend more time on underdeveloped, obscure or new characters in the future rather than the 8th show we see the same returning character.

[@maylabrown4584]

@@AccurateThings Problem with that is who? It's legit hard to think of a TCW or Post-Episode 6 Character that has potential, at least one that hasn't already been ruined yet (Luke), already explored (Boba) on or is confirmed to get explored on eventually (Ahsoka). Only one I can think of Asajj Ventress, if not Cal Kestis himself. Ezra of course deserves a Show where he and Thrawn are the Main Characters, but potentially an Eli Show would be cool. Imagine Eli going on Adventures in the Unknown Regions for the Chiss Ascendancy, looking for Thrawn or just exploring unknown worlds? I can totally see that working.

[@filmfan2004]

@@AccurateThings yes ik all about what he did in the first part of your comment i'm talking about that 10 year gap between ROTS and Kenobi i wanna see everything leading up to that moment in solo and more

[@ccverdera6298]

What are you on? SW is the story of Anakin Skywalker (outside the sequels). Every movie, book, show is basically just about Anakin. He was one of the main CW characters. Maul is only in a handful of episodes of CW and rebels, a couple comics, and he makes a brief appearance in the Phantom Menace. There is barely any material out there for his character and there are tons of stories to tell so I for one hope we see more.

[@lanzcarter3601]

Your content is simply incredible as always!! You also have a nice voice.

[@cellodude4329]

It’s a shame, Maul even realized that he was pawn, but still never got revenge on Palpatine

[@matthewmann8969]

In Canon he was meant to one day succeed Sidious afterall Maul had a potential that was higher then Talzins had Maul not failed badly on Naboo then he would of had Maul as his permanent apprentice as long as Anakin was not discovered yeah.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

​@matthew mann Even after Vader Sidious still thought about Maul. Sidious had Maul brought back to life and Maul and Vader fought in single combat. Maul legitimately spanked Vader. Palpatine never forgot about Maul.

[@matthewmann8969]

​​@@A_Black_Sheep94Never Canon even in Old Legends Canon it was just considered something for fun just like The Old Wounds Comic were Spider Legged Maul fought Old Ben on Tatooine in the day time and lost to Old Ben yeah. Plus that was not Sidious that brought Maul back who was not even really Maul by the way but a more powerful and skilled and smart replica but the magical users on that world plus the reason Maul did so well in that fight was because he had more advantages then Vader at the time that was not most force abilities like physical abilities aside from strength and durability, unarmed combat skills, lightsaber skills, and plus a environmental stage were Vader had a phobia of as well as Vader not being fully or nearly fully use to his suit yet plus constant use of don much by not just the cloned Maul but by the magical users too yeah.

[@indianajones4321]

Kenobi…KENOBI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@DefecTec]

I like the legends explanation for Dooku’s turn to the dark side a lot more Trojan tales of the Jedi ngl, makes more sense

[@LudosErgoSum]

I suspect Sidious will return in the Bad Batch and use the chips to kill off the Clones that resist the Empire usingthe Force (as he did with order 66). It will be tragic. You read it here first.

[@josesosa3337]

Damn. Star wars has so many cool villains, that have cool designs, only have one movie to shine, but then they get explored in spin offs. Darth Maul, General Grievous, Durge, Boba Fett, Jango Fett etc.

[@muellek7]

Sidious was always looking for the next best thing. Dooku was more powerful and experienced with the Force, and while not as ferocious, at least as skilled a duelist as Maul. Probably more so with his affinity for form 2. Dooku was more useful to Sidious' plans than Maul could ever be. Even if Sidious wouldn't have cast Maul aside for Dooku, he absolutely would have for Vader.

[@matthewmann8969]

In Legends he was planning on having Dooku as a apprentice of his at some point whether Maul won on Naboo or not had Maul won then he would be put in a role that was a mix of Asajj And Grievous with both Sidious And Dooku giving out orders to all of them but Maul would of had a higher rank then Asajj And Grievous so yeah. The problem for Dooku though is the Skywalkers And Mereks had higher potentials then he did while Maul, Asajj, And Grievous did not yeah. Canon is a whole other story originally Sidious wanted Talzin as his apprentice but then sensed a even greater potential in her son Maul and took him instead because Maul was just a baby still and Talzin at current power levels and mind was too dangerous to take while Maul was still young and could be bent to his will easily unlike Talzin, Dooku, Anakin, And Luke. Had Maul been victorious on Naboo and never became damaged up the way he did or injured even more hardy then he would of stayed Sidious official apprentice with Dooku just working as a Dark Acolyte of sorts as long as The Skywalkers were not discovered yeah.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Palpatine had Maul brought back to life via Mauls lingering hatred which was an impressive amount. He had to be sure he made the correct choice with Vader. Maul and Vader fought in single combat, Maul easily defeated Vader and only lost because Vader stabbed himself in the belly and then into Maul before Maul could finish him. Palpatine never forget about his first apprentice and his latent potential.

[@Mrtzen]

Nice vid!

[@imnotusingmyrealname4566]

The Revenge of the Sith Novelization is the highest form of Star Wars. It's so unbelievably good.

[@zexalbrony4799]

I still think Maul would have had a role in the Clone Wars, whether he would be the true apprentice or not, he would have at least been like Ventress and the other fallen Jedi, serving as Sith Assassins or lesser Sith in the CIS army. Besides he already made himself know to the Jedi and to the Trade Federation(who were already set to play a decently major role in the coming Clone Wars), so it would make sense to keep him around to keep the Jedi guessing who the two Sith Lords were Dooku, Maul, or another fallen Jedi like Ventress, so it would help him cover his tracks. But regardless of whether it would be Maul or Dooku as his true apprentice after he killed Plaguis, Palpatine's plans changed once he discovered Anakin, he wanted the Chosen One as his true apprentice, and the other two would be cast aside. Because that's just how Palpatine rolls, always looking for the best option for himself, Maul or Dooku could have been the one, but once he found Anakin he found the best option and saw the other two as just inferior tools for his true apprentice.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Sidious had Maul brought back to life post creation of the Empire to ensure he made the right choice with Vader. Vader and Maul fought in single combat and Maul absolutely spanked Vader, Vader was only able to survive by stabbing himself in the belly and into Maul before Maul could finish him.

[@zexalbrony4799]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Oh yeah, I remember that story and Vader's badass line when Maul asks, "What could you hate so much that it would give you the strength to beat me?" Vader: Myself!

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@ZexalBrony479 Yarp thats the one

[@varidian694]

You forgot to mention the echo in the force as maul was defeated. Sidious felt it but assumed it was caused by killing his own master. He only realised maul was defeated when the news came into the senate that naboo had been liberated by the jedi and gungun forces

[@marshalllatta2073]

Revenge I must have revenge

[@XJ0461C]

This simply isn't true. Sidious considered Maul a real loss and a genuine threat when he turned against him. He never planned on replacing him, things just worked out that way.

[@badluck5647]

Some say Maul is a simple Sith Assassin, but his manipulation and cunning when creating the Shadow Collective from nothing shows he truly understood his master's teachings.

[@XJ0461C]

@@badluck5647 And his plans outlived even him as seen in the Crimson Dawn comics. His goal was always the destruction of the Sith.

[@matthewmann8969]

Sidious did not plan for Maul to lose on Naboo the way he did but even if he sensed Maul was alive right after he still would of replaced Maul after all Maul after that defeat before Talzins magics gave him his original body and mind back was too docile and fragile to be anymore use yeah.

[@XJ0461C]

@@matthewmann8969 After his restoration at Talzin's hands a decade later, Maul instantly became twice as powerful as he was on Naboo and this would have only been a fragment of his power had he killed Padawan Obi-Wan and continued from there instead of going into exile all that time. He easily bested both Dooku and Grievous and forged an alliance that spanned multiple systems and posed a genuine threat to both the Republic and Separatist armies in a very short time. Dooku was the expendable one and had he listened to Talzin and joined her and Maul, Sidious would have been finished two decades sooner.

[@matthewmann8969]

​​@@XJ0461CThat may be true but that does not mean that he was as powerful as Dooku at the time potential and current power levels are two different things and the writers have said that the restored Maul was not on Vaders Or Dookus levels of power but he stands among them through being dedicated minded or something like that. And even if Maul was more powerful then Dooku at the time which he wasn't he was too loyal and tied to Talzin, Savage, and the rest of Dathomir to be a lap dog to Sidious again yeah. Also Maul only got Dooku And Grievous captured because 1. It was part of the plan of Sidious to lure out Talzin. 2. It was Maul with a whole armada behind him that had both of them outnumbered and outgunned it was never a one on one fight between Dooku And Maul like there was between Maul And Grievous yeah.

[@secla_SC]

I think you are mistaken. Palpatine admitted in the comics to Vader that Darth Maul was a loss when he fell on Naboo and he said that: “Tyranus was a proton torpedo, he served his purpose and was gone.”

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Palpatine had Maul brought back to life post empire because he was uncertain he made the correct choice with Vader. Maul and Vader fought in single combat, Maul absolutely destroyed Vader. Don't get it twisted, Vader only survived by stabbing himself in the belly and into Maul before Maul landed the finishing blow.

[@gracegiver4920]

Dooku is just as gullible as Maul. They were nothing, but nothing, apart from mere pawns to Palpatine.

[@mattiaswennerhult9451]

Well, at the end of the clone wars he did identify Anakin as the the key to Sidious plan and staged a trap to kill Anakin on Mandalore. Maybe he realized at that time that he would have been replaced by Anakin or at the very least, that there was always that threat if he didn't show himself worthy and strong enough to Sidious.

[@PurpleKaf]

Ahh yes,I see a video of the backround of my favorite character i instantly click,such a nice way to begin the day after a nightshift

[@thestarkknightreturns]

I love Maul. Just like every single one of the other Sith apprentices Sidious takes in, he symbolizes something about Anakin turned into Vader: amazing potential wasted due to hubris and extreme passion.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Maul also defeated Vader in single combat.

[@imortalones]

Maul was probably half the age of old dooku. And dooku left to do his own thing.

[@aliastheabnormal]

Because being stuck for ten years as a deranged stump of a man in the depths of a junkyard planet all by yourself eating rats. Is truly an act of Jedi mercy worthy of the name the negotiator. When you stop to think about it. Maybe between this and Vader. Maybe Obi-Wan is secretly a sadist.

[@elibridgers2781]

To be fair, Kenobi thought Maul died after he cut Maul in half on Naboo. How was he supposed to know that Maul would survive?

[@johniejohnston594]

Love your content try to watch everything.

[@theepikorangutan7499]

Maul really got screwed over by Palpitine, Dooku, Obi-Wan, and life in general, makes you wonder what would happen if he was a Jedi instead and was seen as a person not a tool.

[@bluvil]

I would argue that during the Clone Wars, the Ideal of a Jedi was some sort of Unperson. A Jedi should have no attachments, no emotions, in a sense a Jedi wasn‘t even supposed to think for himself. He/She should just "Follow the Will of the Force".

[@theepikorangutan7499]

Jedi are allowed to feel emotions just not let those emotions take over Jedi are required to have self-control not lack self. it's that by the time of The Clone Wars the Jedi were stricter with the code and they were also hypocrites as they abandoned their peacekeeping ways but had little choice at the time.

[@badluck5647]

Everyone was screwed by Palpitime. Screwing over people was his whole thing.

[@theepikorangutan7499]

it is job as a politician to screw everyone over

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He was screwed over by the evil society he grew up in, going with Palpatine was a mercy.

[@michaelandreipalon359]

*sips coffee in an almost autocratic and aristocratic fashion* Aren't all people like him, just with different ways, reasons, and levels of benevolence? I still prefer his pre-TCW 2008 origins. All this Nightsister talk just... feels off, and is also one of the weaker aspects of the Darth Plagueis novel.

[@colorgreen8728]

Yet he had such incredible foresight and such power. He’s like starkiller

[@jakemurray8760]

I could also see dooku leading the confederacy as he did and use maul in grievous place. I think between his force and combat skills as well as his presence he would have made for a more effective "monster" of the confederacy

[@Smoothalcoholic]

maul is too smart for dooku, he outplayed dooku and the separatists easily with his death watch. maul would try to get dooku alone and make him prove that he is sith in combat.

[@matthewmann8969]

@@Smoothalcoholic Legends Maul was not known for being that smart outside of unarmed combat, physical abilities, double bladed lightsaber using, and jar kai saber fighting as well as for him being stealthy and sneaky a spy and assassin although a deadlier one then Asajj And Grievous combined or alone. Well concerning Grievous it depends if it is before his cough or after his cough yeah. While Dooku as a Jedi Master around TPM time place was considered by Plagueis to be a insurance apprentice if things with Sidious did not work well enough. While Plagueis saw Maul around TPM Era as only useful as a high level attack dog but not a insurance apprentice yeah.

[@taycarroll1124]

What makes Maul unique from Dooku and Vader that he’s the only apprentice that successfully struck out on his own.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He's also one of the very few to utterly spank Vader in single combat.

[@kyle9974]

Video starts at 0:00 Comrads

[@davidmccarthy4206]

Maul, the pawn who became a king.

[@jotheunissen9274]

Maul survived longer than Dooku

[@harrambou9468]

_...Ironic._

[@jotheunissen9274]

@@harrambou9468 Even better is the fact Maul killed a Jedi Master while Dooku never did

[@kotanovakota]

@@jotheunissen9274ifo dyas and yaddle cough cough he ordered the hit on sifo and we know wut happened to yaddle who has 300 years of experience before dooku took her out

[@jotheunissen9274]

@@kotanovakota I did not know that Well the Syfo Dias I knew but not Yaddle

[@Smoothalcoholic]

@@jotheunissen9274 master tiplee, dooku has killed by far the most jedi followed by vader and maul

[@ottooctavius9552]

So why did the Disney comic show Sidious saying Maul was a loss but Dooku was a proton torpedo used to serve one purpose?

[@matthewmann8969]

Because Maul got crippled badly on Naboo and when he was fixed with body and mind by the magics of Talzin his loyalties were too much with the Dathomirians and not Sidious yeah. While Dooku died the exact time and place when Sidious planned for him to at the hands of Anakin yeah.

[@ottooctavius9552]

@@matthewmann8969 that’s not what happened. Yes he was grateful for what his mother had done for him but he took over Mandalore to regain favour with his former master Sidious. It was only after he was rejected and in desperate need that his Mary her helped him.

[@jacobgordon7998]

Just go back to the prequel trilogy, Darth Maul was always a stepping stone to the next apprentice. When he was killed, Darth Tyrannus became the next stepping stone. They both were tools. Anakin Skywalker was Darth Sidious' prized target who became just another tool after he lost on Mustafar. Maul was nothing more than a tool who died on Naboo in 32 BBY. His resurrection was exceedingly unimaginative.

[@matthewmann8969]

Tyrannus was going to become Sidious apprentice whether Maul came out victorious on Naboo or not in Legends yeah.

[@merikmalhads1676]

I mean, I could see him being used as a more blunt weapon like Grievous or as an enforcer in the CIS. Sidieous may have valued no one but himself but he rarely is wasteful

[@lttacos2092]

One of the best things about this channel is the attention Sergeant on deck part, but the guy took out the sound file for when the foot actually starts to hit the ground and then all the soldiers turn their feet and you can hear their feet stamping..... so can you please put that sound file back in.......

[@emzonik8851]

The thing is, in such a case only Vader could he called a proper Sith apprentice of Sidious as Dooku was always meant to be replaced as well, in fact much faster than Maul. And hell, even Vader wasn't meant to be Palpatines successor. Maul was a Sith Lord because he went through all the stages necessary to become one bh deffinition. Sidious being an alprentice of Plagueis doesn't matter here. In fact Sidious considered himself the "genuine master" anyway, which was partly true, it was him progressing the Grand Plan, while Plagueis was entirely focused on finding the jey to immortality, which over time gradually blinded him. The Sith were always known to break tgeir own rules, those rules were changing very often anyway. Tenebrous for example took on 2 apprentices at the same time, Plagueis and Venamis. How can you tell which one was the "trye" Sith? You can't. Maul was an apprentice to the mastermind behind the Sith Grand Plan and was taught by him not only combat techniques but also philosophy and history of the Sith, which he embraced, which is enough to call him a proper Sith Lord.

[@hmk5123]

I wonder how Maul would have thought if he had found that his master answered to a master.

[@johnfleming8285]

Good video. I think you're right on.

[@lerneanlion]

If Obi-Wan did not defeat Maul but he simply escaped with Obi-Wan somehow survived and report back about the Sith, what should be Maul's next move after Darth Sidious set him up to have Count Dooku kill him on the pretext of killing Qui-Gon Jinn?

[@Robert-cl2ft]

I remember hearing or reading this somewhere but the other reason why Darth Maul wasn’t trained as a true Sith Lord was because palpatine sensed his power and feared that he would overpower him and take over the Sith grand plan

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Yeah idk about canon but in the Plaguis novel he simply was a tool because there were already two sith

[@Caron-dc3hs]

Maybe Grievous and not Dooku was the successor of Maul, he was more or the less like him, both strong warriors, ruthless and unknown to rhe galaxy. I hope Maul had at first a place in Sidious plan, he raised him for 20 years, all for some assasinations a bounty hunter could have done.

[@john.powell645]

Maul as an inquisitor would have been awesome

[@AncestorEmpire1]

Most assassins are

[@Sweetlesishere]

Maul would've been a better fit for an earlier sith era before the rule of two

[@timothyhenegar7484]

Maul was always mentioned as a disposable tool. Even in Legends as well. But what makes Maul lethal was the fact of his agility, brutality, and finally his hound like manner to destroy his target. This pretty much sums up what Maul always was. Assassin, spy, scout, and also a fierce intimidating combatant. When it came to Mandalore and later the Shadow Collective? Maul was more of a do the job by striking at the serpent, but never the head of the serpent. Relying too much on combat and less about his wits.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

He certainly spanked Darth Vader in single combat.

[@noahmoore334]

I like your videos on anakin and the misconceptions on the jedi order but I was wondering if you could do an analysis luke and his jedi order. Maybe why he enouraged marriage or how once you join the dark u can come back to the light. Was his jedi order better and more up to date or was he just dealing with the reasources he had?

[@goldeagle6431]

The Senate’s story is one of magnificence.

[@doomfan8603]

If maul won at Naboo, I could see him being kept around as an assassin to kill certain jedi and once the empire came he would've been a great pick for grand inquisitor

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Well you can certainly watch Maul absolutely spank Darth Vader in single combat.

[@doomfan8603]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Maul isn’t beating Darth Vader in a fight. He would get wrecked.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

@@doomfan8603 Already happened in a lovely graphic novel 🙃 Deal with it.

[@doomfan8603]

@@A_Black_Sheep94 Which one, is it canon?

[@robpettigrew3308]

The whole thing about him just being an assassin never sat right. WHEN has Sidious ever referred to him as anything other then an Apprentice? He clearly thought of himself as such as well

[@adarshkamoda9183]

1 minute and fifty seconds in and my heart is already broken.

[@rinokumera5907]

Darth Maul is one of my favorite’s

[@kyuss89]

Awsome timing. I just watched all the maul heavy clone wars episodes last night. Sometimes u just need some maul. One of my favorites for sure

[@Angry_Peanut_52]

Maul a sith who can handle Jedi Knights and Masters, No problem But gets his ass kicked by Jedi Padawans

[@Huy-G-Le]

Maul was kept downs from developing his ability in the forces, making him near exclusively focus in his lightsabers ability, which weaken him, it's also made him closer to a dark Jedi than any Sith, whom master the Forces, not the lightsaber.

[@yogsothoth915]

Actually.... wouldn't Maul have made an effective General Grievous? If he survived that would have been a pretty decent way to get rid of him

[@vortega472]

Wow! Great points, Maul is a hammer, while Dooku is a scalpel. Both have their uses - but as well all know Palpatine/Darth Sidious was a surgeon.

[@ugoeze7360]

Why would a surgeon even consider using a hammer tho?

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Maul wouldn't have gone anywhere if he hadn't lost his legs. In fact Palpatine had Maul brought back to life post empire because he was uncertain he made the correct choice with Vader. Maul also defeated Vader in single combat. Quite easily too.

[@jmwilliamsart]

Maul is indeed a very tragic character. Luke did avenge both Obi Wan and Maul by making Anakin realize his true destiny to destroy Palpatine. The only difference between Anakin and Maul is that Anakin was able to let go of his hate.

[@KepaniGrayson]

Maul just couldn't live up Palpatine's high expectations. Than again no one was ever good enough for him. Seeing how they were just another tool to be used.

[@pauledge1621]

I am fairly sure that even Dooku was lied to. Sidious always intended for Vader to be his apprentice. The rule of two -two there shall, no more no less. A master to embody power, and an apprentice to crave it. Others may be brought in with promises of power, but they will not be the Sith.

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

That applies to 2 Sith lords, it doesn't mean there can't be other Sith in the organization. 1 leader, 1 heir and then the Sith Empire. It's not like they didn't have inquisitors.

[@Crackmiser]

But he survived, almost all the way through the empire. He may have failed more often than then not. But he also ruled the criminal underworld for nearly 18 years before his death. Maul after returning was a ravenous animal, who lost a lot of his original skill and control, but after the death of his brother he became far more powerful and wise. You all witnessed his ability’s in season 7 and abored the venator, and his plan to have all the criminal organizations go into hiding. I used to think very little of maul, for years I thought he was a weak monster. but palpatine trained him far better then he ever realized.

[@gabrieldeoliveira5277]

He is very effective in the criminal underworld, I belive sidious would keep using him, like he used everyone, until he went too greedy, an assassin still have its uses, perhaps more effective than Jango fett, maybe he could have killed padme, but the grudge against dooku would be too difficult to control

[@swissball99]

He hated the jedi and the sith. He was in a grey area where he hated both. He died forgiven by kenobi, one of the 2 last jedi council members. He was a thinking, independent being, not a husk. He couldn't ever be a true sith. In my eyes, he cared about people. He grew a bond with savage. So he couldn't be a sith

[@alwaysplotting2096]

Darth Maul: My life sucked. Vaylin: Oh, boo hoo. Let me play a sad song for you on the galaxy's smallest vioflute.

[@brandonwright2285]

I don't believe that Dooku's inclusion would have replaced Maul, I just think they wouldn't have needed Grevious.

[@TY-km8hj]

Maul was an acc sith, not an assassin, I will forever die on this hill. He would've been replaced by anakin sure, but he was still a legitimate sith until his defeat and the discovery of anakin

[@matthewmann8969]

In Canon yeah in Legends he was a sith only in name but I reality a assassin although a more powerful and worthy one then Asajj And Grievous combined yeah.

[@joffreybaratheon4904]

Wait, Sidious could have used Maul as another general grevious to strike fear and terror across the galaxy

[@Xlen-omega]

Everyone is a tool to Darth Sidious.

[@kernowpictures2002]

I think after he was defeated in the duel 🤺 with his former master and was told that he had been replaced and was captured and sent to the Spire prison rotting in those cold dark cells finally hit him: The Sith had ruined his life and used him as a disposable asset with no care for his feelings

[@RunToEternity]

A tool formed in the image of darkness, but once forgotten, driven to madness oh did you forget the clone wars episode “Brothers,”? Darth Maul in the form of others. Oh how spider creepy just don't do a weep for me. Keep in mind when you drive someone insane, that your losses really are your gain.

[@Celestial_Wing]

Quite the contrary, Sidious could've easily gained the Droid army without Dooku, the Droid army was created by the Separtists and funded by the Banking Clans. Dooku only made it easier to convince them to declare war on the Republic, whereas Maul would've used fear and intimidation to get the war started which would've been a hasty and sloppy approach compared to Dooku's more formal, negotiating approach.

[@nauticalwolf6649]

Huh, I thought this was obvious. I never thought it wouldn’t be. 🤷‍♂️

[@slicerneons3300]

I would call him Ignorant over Gullible. Maul believed, and proved he had the potential to be a Sith Lord. Which is why Sidious cut him and Savage down. If it weren't for the Plot Armour of Kenobi & Palpatine, he would have made it to the top.

[@MarvelandDC379]

This is a hot take, but I consider Maul's backstory sadder than Darth Vader's. Yes Darth Vader's story was tragic, but before he turned to the dark side he had great friends like Obi-Wan Kenobi and Ahsoka. He even had a loving wife Padme. Darth Maul's story was tragic from the get go. His mother was forced to give him up so Darth Sidious was the closest thing he had to a father figure and he wasn't exactly loving and doting. Even had he succeeded on Naboo, he would still be replaced because he's seen as an expendable assassin. Maul even lost his brother Savage Opress when fighting his former master. Ironically the person who spared him of all his pain was his rival Obi-Wan Kenobi killing him freeing him of a tragic life. Throughout his entire life he only learned to be full of anger and hatred. It makes you wonder what would happen if he had a different life with more love and support.

[@ericmcconnell8444]

Maybe because he's the second choice for more than anikin but for many sects of force users and armies of the galaxy he's just a fall guy many times over

[@Smoothalcoholic]

if maul succeded on naboo, he would have probably planned to kill dooku next since he was a jedi. sidious would most likely try to make anakin fall to the darkside in hopes of killing maul . anakin fuelled by the darkside was way more ferocious than maul to the point of it being a detriment(mustafar)

[@A_Black_Sheep94]

Dooku was already working with Palpatine before the events of Naboo.

[@matthewmann8969]

​@@A_Black_Sheep94Yeah In Canon Sids had Dooku as a insurance apprentice if Maul either got 1. Put in a High Profiled Jedi Holding Cell. 2. Got crippled so badly that only Dathomirian Magics could give him his potential, mind, body, and soul back which is what happened in actual Cannonical listers. 3. Ran back to Dathomir and switched sides. 4. Was put in carbonite in a unknown territory. 5. Failed to many missions. 6. Or died. Just like Asajj was insurance in case one of those things happened to Dooku yeah.

[@306devon]

This is story needs to be done in stylized animation, 24 minute episodes.

[@akutatsu736]

I thought Mother Talzin was Maul’s Mother. 😵‍💫