The Tragic Downfall of the Battlefield Franchise

[@snzr]

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[@thebestfan389]

Hi

[@snzr]

@@thebestfan389 yo

[@Sadoqq]

Just give us BF4 remake sh1t company

[@sensufr219]

Playing BF3 you felt like you were in a movie

[@OmniscientReadr]

Luckily there’s still enough players to continue playing the game :,)

[@kirillholt2329]

at the time if felt 5-7 years ahead of it's time. Now it seems like it was ahead for an undefined period since the industry took a nose dive and everything from 10-15 years ago feels like a groundbreaking masterpiece.

[@evil1st]

@@kirillholt2329 Thats why BF3, Black Ops 1 & 2 and Battlefield 1 are gaining more players now. Nobody wants to play these 100mph run and gun sweat simulators. We just want classic action.

[@monobgantonina5577]

@@kirillholt2329 BF3 is what killed the franchise. Run n gun mindless cod style gameplay. small maps, and a shit ton of features cut from BF2. What is it ahead of its time exactly? Its just cod with vehicles. No real battlefield fan liked it. Of course it got a lot of sales from cod fanboys who have no concept of teamplay.

[@Demetriiuz]

It really was one of those "you had to be there" games

[@TheUniformGreen]

Besides DICE's incompetency and tone deafness, I would also add their arrogance. Ever since BF5, they fought against their community

[@snzr]

They absolutely are arrogant. It's probably why 2042 doesnt get the changes it needs because the devs are too stubborn and arrogant to accept player feedback.

[@BourbonBandit-]

@@snzrIt's painfully evident that they don't play their own game either

[@hrthrhs]

All the long time devs left DICE within a few months after BatV's release - ever since then it's been constant screw ups.

[@EEEEEEE354]

how have they fought against the community with 2042. Say what you want about 2042 but almost every update has been made to specifically address community complaints. You got better maps, balancing changes, spread changes, classes, etc.

[@UnchainedEruption]

To be fair, I think that was EA who said, “Don’t like it? Don’t buy it!” to which Battlefield fans said, “Sure thing!”

[@BoxiesAU]

'Hey, we sold a heap of units, won a heap of awards and are beloved by fans. What should we do?' 'Everything opposite to that!', 'Great idea!'

[@snzr]

Pretty much yeah lol

[@danielaponte4054]

They don't care about copies sold or even microtransactions anymore, all they care is ESG scores

[@snzr]

@@danielaponte4054 lmao

[@kfk3000]

They're just being innovative. Trying to make bad games now instead of good ones is just a change of their formula.

[@AnAmericanMusician]

​@@danielaponte4054In all fairness, ESG is basically microtransactions in the form of consulting firms.

[@FireWalkMusic]

BF3 and BF4 are the best ones. That was the peak of Battlefield.

[@jeff911p]

bf1 was awesome too but, man bad company 2 blew my mind when it came out love that game too

[@Walamonga1313]

Nah, Bad Company 2 and BF3. 4 was the start of the decline

[@SL4PSH0CK]

BF1 was flawless 👌an upgraded BF4 engine and the painstaking development earned back in BF1

[@allpraisewebb1142]

None of them can top the feel of BF1 period! Talk about a true masterpiece! Smh

[@rattlesnake551]

@@Walamonga1313 agreed. 4 and 1 are SUPER overrated and flawed

[@MaleWingDiver]

Im my opinion BF3 was peak

[@BassistDuckface]

More peak than BF Bad Company 2?

[@tristanstevens3334]

@@BassistDuckfaceyes

[@BDBK92]

@@BassistDuckface by far

[@lifesoforeign9247]

I played both i have to mention bf1 was a climax as well

[@SweetFlexZ]

@@BassistDuckface Obviously.

[@infinitsai]

I actually feel really bad for some of the 2042 devs, imagine them playing bf3/4/1 as students and worked their ass up to join their dream franchise just to find out they're just working on slope

[@snzr]

They are the devs that turned it into slop though. A lot of devs who are working with the frostbite engine now have no idea what they’re doing with it. It’s why 2042 development has been so slow.

[@evil1st]

yea the old dev team is long gone

[@elbuhdai605]

​@@evil1st The Old Battlefield devs left to form Embark Studios (makers of The Finals), Fall Damage Studios, Time to Kill Games, and a few others.

[@mitri5389]

Lmao do you think studios hire people who went to school? Most of the college educated coworkers I've worked with don't last long, or they are completely clueless and just lost, not knowing how to do the most basic of things... they do know all the useless terminology, however.

[@techzone1552]

@@mitri5389 Because college students come out having this inflated ego and arrogance and likely haven't worked at all in the field they're trying to enter and it's a shame that they ruin the perception for everyone else. I'm facing the same thing in culinary school lol

[@mikexstad1121]

Sorry kids you just had to be there. BF3 was incredible.

[@luisgaebler1886]

Too right

[@graceypatrick]

And bf4

[@Christian0132]

Close quarters was such a special dlc for me poured so many hours into that map pack alone

[@imakesbeatz]

My best TDM record, going up to 300, was 95-29. God I miss that game.

[@SOLOcan]

No sorry kids, you had to be there for bf1942. BF3 was when they started to pivot the series to be a direct competitor to CoD and every other multiplayer FPS on the market. People were stoked for BF3 because it was a return to a classic especially in light to some of the things in MW2 (eg dedicated servers, laying off the original devs of CoD4) rather than new innovation. BF1942 and it’s mod, desert combat, are pretty janky but really were something new. It really felt like a sandbox to play in rather than the tailored and managed experience designed to hook even the most ADHD addled brain so they can get the largest market share.

[@elliotlabrie5241]

BF3 and BF4 were such good games from the story mode to the multiplayer. No other fps game felt this immersive.

[@snzr]

They were top tier, unfortunately we’ll never see that kind of quality again :/

[@jneuf861]

I still play bf4 weekly. Servers are full

[@UnchainedEruption]

Are you serious? BF3 campaign was notoriously bad, and even BF4, while better, was still pretty mediocre. Honestly only the Bad Company’s had good campaigns. But that’s okay, because BF3 is still my favorite in the series (although I love them all, from 1942 up till BF 1)

[@darkshat3077]

@@UnchainedEruptionBF3 had a great campaign wdym?

[@JFinns]

@@UnchainedEruptionwhat are you talking about campaign you sound like a clown these are S tier multiplayer games

[@louchy]

BF3 was the most incredible online shooter in it's time. But BF1 was a masterpiece.

[@cuckmasterflex9106]

Movement and gunplay were better in BF3. BF1 was definitely more pretty.

[@TheIndulgers]

Even with 25 minutes of shitting on BFV and BF2042, you missed a lot. BFV: The multiple incompetent weapon range changes, the lack of any anti-cheat (until just this week), DICE mocking players criticisms at launch party. BF2042: No scoreboard on launch, the delay of season 1, the "unreasonable expectations" tweet, no voip on launch, the stanta skin leak, "ahead of schedule", and about 20 types of common bug ranging from gameplay to audio to graphical.

[@goober5713]

I had over 1,000 hours on BF4 and absolutely loved every minute of it.

[@snzr]

I was the same with BF3. I have nearly 3K hours across Xbox and PC, and I loved every moment of it.

[@R0d_1984]

from BF42 till BF3 (didn't play much of BF2 cause i was mostly playing Americas Army V1.65 until 2.85, then it turned to crap), i would have put an easy 10,000 hours into it [edit - BF3](same with AA), weekdays work, get home by 4pm game til 5:30AM, up at 7:30 work repeat till the weekend, then sat 24hours, sunday 18hours, did that for 2.5 years; Had jobs that were only 4 days; Starsiege Tribes, first time i played that it was a long weekend, so i played for 72 hour straight (minus food, toilet, coffee/water), i've been gaming for 26 years... Was really into Vietnam back in the day, so BF Vietnam and BC Vietnam were my jam... My reaction times are too slow now for FPS MP, playing Half-Life, the long dark, stranded deep, Generation Zero, homeworld and WH40k DoW1, trying to get back into Elite dangerous sigh atm, ...

[@gothamxp5]

Absolutely! Had so much fun with bfbc2, bf3, and definitely bf4. It's always been a blast and had at least 1k hours in each.

[@yoyodrago]

Same, BF3 looked amazing but didn't run as good as BF4 after its updates and BF4 map packs were a chiefs kiss with the remastered maps.

[@KTMGUNNER]

I'd still be playing but unfortunately it's showing it's age.

[@BankBustaa]

I poured hundreds of hours into BF1 with my friends. Some of my most fond memories gaming ever

[@snzr]

Beautiful game that created beautiful memories, this was me for Battlefield 3!

[@ElMarcoHoJ]

Same and I still do

[@thesinaclwon]

The dreadnoughts were delicious!

[@sebastian577]

Me too man

[@anderson_hc]

Bf1 was another shitty game tbh

[@jager9633]

I think all my favorite shooter franchises have died at this point. DICE is incompetent and Battlefield sucks, COD is completely and utterly soulless, and 343 still doesn't know how to make a Halo game after more than 10 years. Casual multiplayer is dead

[@matthewcvetkovich5848]

I agree with this statement 100% It’s sad I just want a fun multiplayer shooter again

[@anon2427]

Now it’s all scammy, the 12+ old COD games still cost $60 on steam, all the new games are released with barely any content, they’re all cash grabs, all stuffed with garbage DEI bullshit, buggy messes, 150GB downloads, etc

[@the_jones528]

They exist, they are just not as popular as BF or COD. I think The Finals is really good

[@Qawsedrftvynn]

​@@the_jones528yup, it was superb, man i never enjoyed beta of any game that much But when the game fully came out, they changed the speed of the game which they fixed in a week, but then the main problem came Hackers🤦the anti cheat till this date is trash, i had to leave the game 😢it became unplayable. Playing bf5 right now, Community servers are best

[@g3intel]

BattleBit, baby

[@requiemagent3014]

Battlefield 4 and Battlefield 1 are still active. I play on Series X, backwards compatible, and I can play on a Wednesday at 4AM and still have full servers.

[@locke430]

So thankful cause even without the dlc maps I could play the same 3 BF1 maps and never get bored

[@derjoghurtmitderecke]

All last gen games are compatible with the current gen. They're technically the same family. It's not backwards compatibility per se. Backwards compatibility means Xbox and Xbox 360 era or PS3, PS2, PS1 era games.

[@OkOk-vj9db]

They are easily the most underrated shooters out right now. Still feel like I’m in a movie when I play those games.

[@jpmountaingaming5681]

Same with 5. It always has at least 5 or 6 full lobbies no matter what time or day I hope on it.

[@BamBam-er6hp]

Imagine getting so bad your consumers tried to like cod after bf5 and 2042.... What a collapse.

[@UnchainedEruption]

I'm willing to bet most CoD fans are also Battlefield fans and vice versa.

[@runofthemillz]

I can’t describe the depressing/saddening feeling when I loaded into bf 2042 and just realized how ass that game was and how different it felt compared to games before

[@snzr]

Exactly how I was at first ☹️

[@fruity-scuad]

Playing battlfiekd 2042 after playing battfield 1 is just a sad comparisson

[@HugoStiglitz88]

BF1 is trash too though and also feels nothing like the good battlefield games. Even 2042 is better than that

[@resetbutton7982]

@@HugoStiglitz88no BF1 is a better game than 2042. Even BF5 is better than 2042

[@YoungRaccoon34]

@@HugoStiglitz88bf1 is the best battlefield game fight me

[@Montereyjames]

I wouldnt be mad if Dice just annonced they would be remastering BF3 and let us go back to the golden age for a bit

[@snzr]

Wouldn’t be such a bad idea. A nice bridge to bridge the gap for the new 2025 game!

[@stubblytuna4068]

Do you really trust them to do that?

[@heistingcrusader_ad3223]

They would fuck it up. And plus people still play BF3

[@H1zN]

If they would remaster it, it would be bad. Diversty BS, gender BS, pol. correctness BS, Skin BS and Challanges BS. Keep BF3 as a good game in your mind.

[@ayushsinha7300]

IMO BF3 does not really need a remaster. The original holds up really well in 2024

[@HekjerB223]

Man that ending hit hard because it’s true. I hope the game comes back

[@snzr]

Me too. The ending message was just something I wanted to say because it’s how I felt with Battlefield. I also wanted to point out that the message wasn’t just for Battlefield, it’s for other games and franchises too.

[@pleasureslave6473]

Battlefield won't comeback because Dice quit. They're at Embark now.

[@pleasureslave6473]

You definitely didn't do BF4's comeback justice. They overhauled so much that I can't fit it here.

[@snzr]

@@pleasureslave6473 you’re absolutely right, but I was worried the video would get too long and it would discourage people from watching. Now that I think about it, I should’ve just spoke about it! 🙃

[@HaraldQuake]

It's kinda sad because it's not only Battlefield that is like this. Almost everything in life works that way. Enjoy the things you enjoy for the time you can until they are over...

[@xcrossfade93x]

Battlefield bad company 2 Vietnam is one of greatest dlcs of all time

[@UnchainedEruption]

Absolutely! Have great memories on those maps. It's a travesty that they shut the game's servers down. Absolute travesty.

[@morgangreen2601]

The flamethrower seals the deal

[@jessejan07]

What’s so sad to me is that battlefield portal had insane potential, just to see it go to waste :(. Honestly they could release an battlefield portal standalone game and build upon it with maps/weapons/assets from all throughout the franchise, would be so cool!

[@Horgler]

They really should've committed fully to either 2042 or Portal, not split up their resources between the two.

[@Surrealkine]

They just bended and tried to make Call of Duty: Vehicles! My other favorite franchise was Ghost Recon. GRAW 2 was an amazing game, but the next release after they decided to make a weird ass CO-OP game with if I remember correctly a max of 8 VS. 8 in the PVP part. Totally ridiculous, I haven’t bought a Tom Clancy game since.

[@littlegamingj2003]

One thing you'vs missed is that, they shut down battlefield bad company 2 and as well the older titles multiplayer servers , on December 23

[@snzr]

At the time I didn’t think it was necessary because of how old the games were. But now the videos out and I saw someone actually comment on that, I realised I should’ve just done it. RIP to those games 🪦

[@littlegamingj2003]

@@snzr yea, I get that. At least I managed to 100% the main game beforehand

[@littlegamingj2003]

@@snzr my question remains, about the reason as to why? My thought, is so older fans come to newer or something. Also sweet baby inc, has creativd control and leading design for the games, so that's something

[@snzr]

EA is just pure greed. Obviously keeping the older games running costs them money and if they're not making profits from it, just kill it. Which is worrying because BF3 could be next. And that game is on life support. Essentially dead on PC and on console.@@littlegamingj2003

[@littlegamingj2003]

@@snzr yea, I wish they actually give a damn, and be genuine. And it's surprising to me that something old as cod 4 still running.

[@checohidalgo9873]

I think sometimes it isn't always the "nostalgia goggles", games such as BFBC2 and BF3 just had so much more care, time and effort put into them that they still outshine what's coming out currently, like a timeless work of art. I played BFBC2 until the servers shut down and uninstalled MW2(2022) and still boot up WaW to unwind after studying.

[@UnchainedEruption]

It is weird as fuck to hear people call those ones nostalgic. I can understand people feeling that way about BF 1942 and BF 2, but BC2 and 3? Like, those are the new ones to me lol. That’s Frostbite era, with its amazing graphics, War Tapes sound, and destruction.

[@soccermaster011]

@@UnchainedEruptionshut up

[@anon2427]

@@UnchainedEruptionyeah that’s because you’re a boomer. People who played BF3 as kids are in their mid 20s now. A game that released 12 years ago isn’t “new”

[@anon2427]

@@UnchainedEruptionpeople who played BF3 as kids are in their mid 20s now. A game that came out 12 years ago isn’t “new”

[@xRoofkoreanx]

I’m just happy people still play bf4.

[@bobthetoker8523]

Tried playing it the other day, it broke my heart to see 'kicked by punkbuster' over and over again. Loved that game on xbox

[@BattleLev]

Keep playin please 🙏🫡

[@seppokumpulainen2868]

Still playing it with friend nice to just relax and play vehicles or kill and annoy enemy tryhard players

[@venjo986]

Yeah still playin and still enjoying! It’s good to come back after a while again, every time!

[@OlviMasta77]

BF3!

[@EXiLExJD]

BF3 and BF4 were the peak of the series, still playing BF4 to this day.

[@Red_Lion2000]

Nah, Vietnam, bf2, 2142 were the best.

[@LOUDPACG]

You won't be playing bf4 anymore starting Nov.😢

[@UnchainedEruption]

Agreed.

[@Tonio-r5s]

​@@LOUDPACGstill playing

[@frankez99]

2042 was such an embarrassment to the franchise, WTF were they thinking?

[@Lino0.4.0]

Bf 3 or 1 just felt like playing a game version of Black Hawk Down or Dunkirk, while Bf 2042 felt like a generic game adaption of what Fast and Furious 25 would look like

[@ItsYurVatoAlex]

I love how you mentioned that friendships and rivalries were made in bf3. I became part of the 1v1 jet dogfight community where we would rent servers solely for dogfighting and we would all compete to see who was the best pilot, and this created friendships and rivalries we still have to this day. This game really did have something for everyone. Excellent video snzr!

[@snzr]

I heard about those kinda servers on Xbox. Jets were so hard back then, I actually respected people who were insane in jets, it’s really hard to master!

[@KekusMagnus]

@@snzr They were actually much easier than they are now, jets are nerfed to the ground and near-useless in 2042. In BF3 a good jet pilot would single-handedly kill every vehicle on the enemy team

[@jordanhurst4460]

I'm still friends with someone I met in BF3 to this day. We were both 14-15 years old at the time. We had sniper duals on Caspian Border. After years of being friends, we still keep in touch. We call each other every once in a while to catch up.

[@nukey_nuke]

I’ve played so much bf3 that when I shoot a wall in a game and it doesn’t explode it’s unusual to me😂

[@Kirealta]

No bfbc2 had waaaay better destruction.

[@Walamonga1313]

​@@KirealtaIt did, but BF3 was still a better experience

[@Kirealta]

@@Walamonga1313 loved battlfield 3 but agree to disagree.

[@robocop0211]

The BF3 sound design is unmatched, totally immersive. Incredible

[@SchwererGustavThe800mm]

I'll never forget my time in BF3, my God those were the days.. When I first heard of battlefield it was from the BF3 beta. At that time, I was a diehard COD fan with thousands of shotgun kills in og MW2 & MW3. When the BF3 beta dropped I picked it up and was absolutely HOOKED. I played the beta like it was crack cocaine, I COULDNT put it down. When it ended it genuinely changed my perception of FPS shooters. I was there for the release and playing that game with my baby brother will forever be one of the fondest memories of my highschool years.

[@dragonhoard9371]

Same dude. Was cod then tried bf 3, was hooked.

[@hunglikeaslave6793]

First picked it up in 2011. Played until 2015. I’ve been chasing that feeling ever since

[@adriandiaz4624]

Battlefield veteran here. Sad to see how EA killed my favourite franchise by trying to cater to an audience that does not even care about it. Nice video mate

[@Red_Lion2000]

It started dying when they started catering to consoles. Has nothing to do with all that culture war nonsense you are blabbering about. The games suck now because DICE + EA only care about money.

[@adriandiaz4624]

@@Red_Lion2000 what you on about mate? All companies just care about money it's a business after all. Culture war? Did i mention that? They tried to turn battlefield into fornite/apex/ cod.. my comment doesn't mention anything related to a culture war. How easy is making stuff up on the internet 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@DirkDagger]

Playing BF3, every match felt like you were taking part in an actual war. Every teammate's actions played into the greater objective, and the moments when you got into a team that ran like clockwork made fight for the victory all the more exhilarating.

[@snzr]

BF3’s gameplay was unmatched

[@nukey_nuke]

I gotta say BF2 and BF1 made me feel like I was in an actual war

[@bluscout1857]

Every battlefield up from 3 to 5 felt somewhat like a war 2042 felt like a generic video game shooter

[@david_escalante]

​@@bluscout1857you guys just lack the skill to have fun and depend so much on hand holding

[@BossXygman]

​@AnonymousMachine bait used to be believable

[@ChromeCowboy_]

Man Hardline is so underrated 😢

[@the_jones528]

Truuue

[@DepthFromAbove]

It was a shit game to steal COD kids.

[@ThatAerospaceEningeer]

What really annoyed me about 2042 was that it dident have a story mode. I came from bf4 and bf1 and I enjoyed their stories, then I get 2042 just to find nothing.

[@TheeRookie]

How many hours I spent on BF3 and then BF4. Bought all the DLC. I absolutely loved those two games

[@snzr]

The times when we were excited for new updates and expansions. Now it’s just whatever.

[@J.Wick.]

Same bro. Same.

[@JoeyMace28]

Frankly, devs today fucking suck. It's time to call a spade a spade. People will commonly say that we shouldn't blame the devs because x reason, it's just a cop out. BF3 came out a year and a half after BFBC2 and managed to not be bugged to absolute shit. There is no genuine reason why in the three years between BF5 and BF2042 that the dev team couldn't make a game that was playable. Content is one thing, and gaming has been suffering from that greed up top for a good decade at this point; however, in the past few years pretty much all AAA titles release basically unplayable. Not going to get into the reasons on why devs today are terrible, but fuck me AAA gaming has been starved of good devs for a very long time now.

[@dkkanofkash8798]

Companies hire incompetent people who barely get any work done and who can be paid less, the drop in quality is not surprising whatsoever.

[@JoeyMace28]

@@dkkanofkash8798 Far from surprising tbh. It’s a damn shame.

[@Erowens98]

This is due to a mentality shift in the industry. Its no longer seen as profitable to maintain experienced employees long term. Employees are hired mostly on a temporary bases for a single project. As a result, they are working with essentially no experience with a given franchise/project/team. The reason execs are doing this is because new hires are cheaper than senior employees. And they've realized people will buy games regardless of their quality so they don't need to care about that.

[@JoeyMace28]

@@Erowens98 That is also a very good point. Plenty of good examples of long time devs being cast aside for newbies that do one game on a temp contract. Combine that with the, in my humble opinion, slipping standards for said new devs. This is essentially a recipe for disaster. But at the end of the day, people still buy their shit games so it looks on the up and up to the people at the top, sadly.

[@Erowens98]

@@JoeyMace28 yeah, i do wonder whether or not the slipping standards where inevitable. Go back a decade or two, most programmers and game designers where massive nerds doing what they did out of passion. But at some point people started to see that programmers where making more than any other subset of engineering. An entry level programmer was making what mid level mechEs where making for example. Which inevitably attracts people who where "just after a degree" and chose "the best one". Obviously these people are never gonna be as good as those with passion.

[@hrthrhs]

What's sad about BatV is it had the potential to be brilliant - it had such attention to detail such as soldiers running differently in shallow water and players becoming dirty, brilliant levelution in that every building could be destroyed, butter smooth movement, great team aspects such as squad points & squad call-ins and being able to heal your squad regardless of class, an amazing soundtrack, vehicles which felt weighty, wide variety of map biomes. The game now is heaps of fun.

[@bluscout1857]

I’d argue it IS brilliant, most people playing it have put in like hundreds of hours into it it me included, it may not be as great as bf1 but bfv is still very fun you know even if it has its problems and even if it wasn’t finished, it’s a banger game that a lot of people enjoy, I know this because I’m on the game a lot and I do see a lot of people on it lol, most of them have been playing the game for a while now to, again sure it may not be as great as bf1 but the servers on the game are still very much active and I will honestly say I do kinda prefer the gunplay in bfv over the majority of the other battlefield games Specifically talking about the newest bf5 build, pacific war and all, if you mean launch I can’t really state anything about that I never really played it on launch, and also assuming by BatV you mean bfv lol

[@guardian7287]

I find it quite sad that we never got see what it could have become.

[@WarFoxThunder]

​@@bluscout1857brooo same

[@andrewcollier3495]

They should have continued improving BF5 rather than launch BF2042. Bring in Russian factions, Italian Campaigns and add famous battles etc. It could have been great.

[@anon2427]

Not going to spend money on them after the crap they pulled. Actions since then have proven that they’re just incompetent or lazy so I’m glad I haven’t given them any money since BF1

[@ElGaby323]

Salute to all my Bad Company 2 and BF3 veterans, these new kids have no idea what we went through. Those were the good days. Cheers 🍻

[@snzr]

For the people commenting that I missed this and that, the point of the video was to quickly summarise the biggest games in the franchise. If you’re annoyed that I missed your favourite game, I’m sorry about that 😢 this wasn’t a history video of battlefield, I spoke about the old games to remind people how great it used to be before I completely ruin the mood by reminding you that 2042 exists. Thanks to all the amazing comments! Please read them yourselves as some people have some interesting information down there about Battlefield! P.S I occasionally stream, you should come hang out some time!

[@aaronblank2318]

You don't have anything to apologize for. You made a great video. There's no way to please everyone.

[@ygk6289]

not sure if i missed it, but bf4 had much more "detail map design" that convinced you you are in a battefiled, where as BF2042 had unbelievably sterile maps (supposedly in an utopic future). Also, i see way more "meaningful" building destruction in BF4 than in BF2042. First and last pre-order for me for sure. And I really need conving to go back to BF. I rather play BF4 while i still can.

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[@boohoow]

No worries man! Great video. KZbin seldom has people making quality gaming content like you did with this video. And I happen to agree with you completely in you overall analysis. I hadn't even thought about what felt different between Battlefield 3 and 4, but seeing your video made me remember how much I loved BF3. Found this video because I was looking for what BF game to play in 2024, and you really made me dodge some bullets (no pun intended). So I just bought BF 1 :)

[@pawed.7512]

Nice intro, but couldn't you have just used BF3 main-theme music? (a honest question) starting at ~42sec

[@drewbear_07]

I was so hyped for Battlefield 2042 just to get scammed out of $80 pretty much

[@LaztheLax]

Haha! At least you still get to play the game. Meanwhile Rockstar literally scammed gamers by releasing individual re masters of GTA 3, Vice City, and SA only to say fuck people who only got *one* title alone and RE-RELEASE the trilogy collection like that didn't fucking happen.

[@BananaPhoPhilly]

This is why I haven't bought a new game at launch since BF3

[@hdlowrider1903]

Ya I bought a PS5 just for BF 2042 release. Just to buy for a game that was unplayable. The game is still terrible

[@LayzeeJay]

My buddy booted the game up day 1 on his pc a 2080 super and an 8 core processor, runs every other game like a champ. we were so excited to play until we were met with an unplayable lagtastic ugly mess even on potato low settings. Checked all drivers of course that had to be the issue nope everything was updated. Rebooted hopped in a different game nope. Total time in game…less than 15 minutes before we requested a refund.

[@hdlowrider1903]

@@LayzeeJay ya PlayStation honored refunds too because it was unplayable. The PlayStation store even took it off to buy for awhile. Pathetic. That franchise is done. Trust me, the next one will suck too. I just tried their free trial just for the hell of it. Ya they fixed a lot of the issues, took them two years, but the maps are still trash, and so is the game

[@chodagreat7876]

I want to share my journey with Battlefield series. I started online gaming with MW2 and loved it! Blackops1 and Blackops2 made my heart melt when it comes to gaming. One day, I bought my first ever HD TV and got a copy of Battlefield3 for free with my TV. I expected nothing of it as all my friends trash talked the game. I remember my first ever match... It was on Noshar Canals.. I literally screames and felt overwhelmed by how AWESOME the game was!! I never played cod again after that day. I am absolutely heartbroken with the series after Battlefield 1.

[@R0d_1984]

MechWarrior2 was cool..........

[@VostrumRexouium]

Hardline was actually good and gets to much hate for no reason, what other game offers cops and robbers in a grand scale where firing RPG's at moving cars from other cars is the most normal thing!? sure it aint no military shooter but it wasnt trying to be. what happened to BFV and 2042 though...now that deserves the hate, how did we go from the marketing being the reason not to buy, and now the marketing being a true battlefield and the game itself being anything but a true battlefield

[@iVETAnsolini]

Bad company 2 came out when I was in the army 2009. I had to convince guys in my platoon that bad company 2 was a bad ass game. They couldn’t get off MW2. They were throwing knives down the hallway on skid row and my buddy and I were sniping chopper pilots out in bad company 2

[@Rubycore]

"Bring the T1 system back" People have just forgotten about service stars, huh?

[@snzr]

I love the service star system, I have not forgotten it. I mentioned it in newer videos that it’s something DICE need to bring back with leaderboards. I think T1 system was good because it rewards free skins, so why not have both? 😀

[@Jimbos3rdCousin]

Just noticed in the BF3 trailer and older, there were barely any changes between the trailer and the release gameplay. Really get that you see, they need to get back to where they once were.

[@KekusMagnus]

I don't think it's too unreasonable to ask for a modern BF3-like game. It is still great to play but it's showing its age, and there is definitely demand for it in the community. They don't have to keep trying to re-invent the wheel or chasing industry trends when they have a guaranteed working formula right in their hands. Just give us similar gunplay, similar map design (or just remaster old maps), similar vehicle mechanics, modern graphics and a solid roster of at least 15 maps at launch.

[@snzr]

Exactly that. It’s really simple to do well with the next game. The game needs exactly what you just said, as well as load of day one content.

[@bluscout1857]

Pretty sure if all else fails and they just can’t for the life of themselves think of anything new they could probably remaster the old games

[@chrissybubiB]

Add a captivating and motivating Progression and I'm all sold 😍💯

[@myfootyourassgaming9603]

to be honest if they tried to remake it would be half funded and probaly just fuck it up

[@Burn_pits]

Man I wanted to cry. The best I ever was at a video game was battlefield bad company 2. I was top 100 for a couple months. Proudest moment and I loved that game. It was team effort, fun to play and I met tons of cool people.

[@R0d_1984]

epic, only reached 247, though i was playing on U.S servers with a ping of 350-500( long way from Australia ;D )....

[@DoomRulz]

Is BF 4 still playable or have the servers been completely shuttered?

[@GreaterBavarianBroadcast]

I got BF1 today, my friend told me its the worst battlefield, he loves bf 2042 and bf5, i am in love with bf1 now.

[@Olliewalshaw]

Your friend needs studying

[@UnchainedEruption]

BF 1 is the last great one. BF V though isn't as bad as the reputation it earned. Much of that was from the awful trailers that showed a woke WW2. The game itself didn't do much good--most new changes sucked--but it has enough of the old formula in there that the game itself is still alright, even if not the best Battlefield. It was supposed to be the worst, but 2042 makes it look brilliant by comparison.

[@KingCookie_III]

I think you should get a new friend

[@SL4PSH0CK]

@@UnchainedEruption being fair yea. the marketing, PR, and how disrespectful the inaccuracies are overshadows the gameplay. i like BFV w/ the most overlook movement "crouch run" that minimize player's silhouette, and literally made "ground cover" to exist in a game. heavily ideal in pacific maps.

[@jacksongrey5340]

Pandering, Micro transactions, Never ending reboots. The three things that have killed modern gaming

[@MrDeja56]

Battlefield 2... What a banger. Still play it daily after almost 20 years ;)

[@garrettjones9549]

The amount of crazy mods for singleplayer still blows my mind

[@V3ntilator]

@@garrettjones9549 They made a complete Star Wars game out of BF 1942.

[@Largentina.]

BF2 is something special

[@diet_dr.demoncore]

BF2 is where the series ACTUALLY peaked, only real ones will understand modern combat + bad company were a step in the wrong direction that all of the later games followed

[@Kmodal]

Yeah, BF2 was great. LAN-party and BF2 baby

[@PSNmemoryismisery]

the gaming industry as a whole has massively declined and the franchises we love are damaged beyond recognition.

[@venjo986]

Maybe it’s time to quit gaming hahaha No I’m just kidding. As a console player this sucks a lot but on pc you have sooo many alternatives, that’s crazy!

[@neomachine855]

​@@venjo986 Ehhh I wouldn't quit console entirely tbh, the Japanese developers like FromSoft, Nintendo, even Capcom, Sega and Square Enix still pump out amazing titles like Street Fighter 6, Armored Core 6, Tears Of The Kingdom, FF16 and the 7 Remakes and the Yakuza series, there's also the indie devs and occasionally you'll get the multiplayer games that are actually fun like Helldivers or The Finals

[@philippvoid1800]

Battlefield 2 Bad Company veteran here. man, good times, especially the Vietnam expansion

[@TheNapoleonComplex1]

Battlefield 2142 was AMAZING. I cannot stress how fun Titan Mode was. Two massive air carriers doing battle. You capture conquest style positions that control missiles that attack the enemys carrier, damaging its shield. Once the enemy shield is depleted, you can board it and fight your way to the core, setting charges and blowing it up. I played DAYS and DAYS of this game mode.

[@ghostinthesystem3872]

EA ruins everythijg

[@nwoizaakgoldmann4519]

Nope, thats not only EA that would be to easy. Dice is completly out of touch and has no good devs anymore. They are all long gone and they are working on other project outside of Dice

[@lazyvoid7107]

Mostly Dice

[@Bin0mar]

Yeah and ubishit also

[@darthportus]

I know it is hard to imagine but not everything is EA's fault

[@joshazie5296]

I’ll give BFV one thing, and that’s my opinion that “The Last Tiger” was one of the best pieces of storytelling in the entire franchise. I’m sure there’s inaccuracies in it, but the overall story and the darkness of it all was superb.

[@WarFoxThunder]

AGREED.

[@SauceyFredo]

Nothing is cooler than last stands and tanks. A formula that always hits

[@regularguy2807]

Nah the ending sucked it should've been Mueller telling the others and fighting the Americans till he dies so that his crew can retreat.

[@joshazie5296]

@@regularguy2807 you missed the point then. By the end of the war they’ve seen thru the lies of the Nazi Party. They just bombed the bridge with them on it and stranded them behind enemy lines. They hung his young loader for deserting when he was doing his duty, a boy way too young to fight. He saw the civilians dying by the hundreds in cologne, despite the military claiming all of them had been evac’d. Müller realized that they meant nothing to the regime they fought and died for. He lost his faith in his country, hence why he discarded his iron cross. There is no retreat, they are quite literally stranded and surrounded.

[@Tomszpl]

What lies, and he understood that he is nothing in army with millions of soldiers? No shit i dont understand endind​@@joshazie5296

[@lolvanced]

Wait this video have less than 1k views???? Holy you really made some high quality stuff. Hope you can make it big in the future, very nice work tho

[@snzr]

Thanks mate, I really appreciate that!

[@TampaGigWorker]

Ask your older brother if he ever played Delta force black hawk down back in the day. It was around the time of bf2 and cod4mw, and it had some really fun knife only servers. I still love knifing in bf3 tdm, bf4, and cod. Let's have a knife only fight. Bf3 or bf4 u pick... TampabayJohnny

[@SauceyFredo]

it sucks cause Battlefield Bad Company 2 was one of the greatest FPS's I've ever played, I also played Battle Field 1 Religiously. I really don't know what happened from BF5 onward, it wasn't even politics ruining gaming like other games, they just started making shit games no one asked for.

[@stinkerace4075]

Listen as someone who has played battlefield as their main game since 1942, I won’t defend battlefield V too much, but saying the gunplay wasn’t good because of random recoil is hilarious. Random bullet deviation from BF4 (and 2042 for some time) makes for some of the most frustrating gunplay ever. BFV guns at least shoot where the sights are…That was the main reason dice said they increased the TTK for the first time, new players were getting destroyed by long time battlefield and FPS players and they even said it was causing new players to leave. BFV and BF3 have the best gunplay in the series and I hope they never return to random bullet spread like they did with 2042 on launch. I will agree with you though that BF3 is the best in the series, truly a worthy successor to BF2

[@neilpearson26]

Just had a look at 2042 and the first thing I saw was an add on that cost £17.99. Not for a load of maps, just a few shitty costumes and a load of tat. That's what it's come to now, just a vehicle to sell you a load of crap. Shame.

[@DIC_CEO]

First Battlefield game I played was 1943. It was a 1 or 2 hour demo and I fell in love. Unfortunately it was the last day of summer vacation and my day refused to buy it. Eventually I got it and then moved on the Bad Company 2 and I was dedicated to the franchise until 2042. Made so many friends along the way and I’ll be forever grateful. Great video memorializing the franchise. Hopefully this era of battlefield will be a thing of the past but I doubt it.

[@snzr]

I never got to play that one! I’m sure it was great! Thanks for watching

[@Nothing2NV]

Bad Company and Bad Company 2… my greatest multiplayer experiences ever Nobody who was there for it will forget the gut-punch 2042 was. My greatest disappointment in gaming ever. What a wild ride it has been.

[@raidengoodman8754]

This video was posted just a bit too soon lol. They just announced this week that 2042 is over

[@Edmundostudios]

I agree with most points made. After MW19 came out I didn’t really play BF5 much anymore. Battlefield up until that point always felt like it had the best graphics and animations over cod but now it’s the other way around which is kind of sad.

[@j.d.s.8132]

Yeah I feel the same. BF1 beat CoD IW in 2016, then in 2019 things changed and CoD MW beat BF5 in pretty much everything. Now they both fail, MW3 is a failure and BF2042 is boring and unplayable. I just hope they get it together, but so much talent left BF recently.

[@Killgore-ip2yq]

​@@j.d.s.8132 Microsoft bought Activision and I'm hoping Activision new corporate lords will make them better games.

[@YorchVicAstronaut1R]

Delta force with ex DICE devs working on it and CoD adding destruction are the last nails for the BF franchise coffin. And like you said BF WAS a good franchise. RIP 🙏🏻. Great video bro. BF3 BF4 will live forever in my heart ❤️

[@thekrew257]

Great video! I started playing battlefield bad company in the Xbox 360 days, I can still hear the menu music in my head. Gosh I miss those days.

[@snzr]

Great game for the time!

[@BattutaAdventures]

Those were the days my man!!!

[@TTVBunnyDougie]

BFBC2 Sorry, kids.. You'll never get to experience the best shooter this planet has ever seen.

[@ClownTRON777]

Bro imo Bad Company 2 was peak Battlefeild. BF3 was overrated to me and for some reason it was impossible for me to see enemies idk how to explain it.

[@ToiletGrenade]

I played the Hardline Beta for about 40 hours when it was out. There were three maps iirc, those being Dust Bowl, Downtown and Bank Job. One thing I remember from the Beta vs Retail version was the progression was very noticably downgraded and the game felt way more grindy, I think the battlepacks literally went up in price 10x. I personally loved every second of the Beta, some very fond memories there, I actually still have a handful of videos from it on my channel.

[@snzr]

I was referring to the first beta, I’m pretty sure that one only had downtown.

[@ToiletGrenade]

@@snzr Ah, the closed one. Never played that one so you're probably right.

[@thesinaclwon]

Just remember that during 2042’s entire existence JackFrags has released a video every 2 weeks titled either “2042 is fixed now” or “2042 is finally good”.

[@frankez99]

He’s a shill

[@Maeno34]

Great video but why is it that everyone always fails to acknowledge how bf1s life cycle literally signaled what was to come with the franchise. That game had us waiting 6 months for the first expansion, broken weapons, and overall poor communication from dice. A lof of the problems listed in bf5 literally started in bf1. Its frustrating that people really gloss over that.

[@謬]

When that Bad Company music started playing. 😭👌

[@mrsanatra1]

Top 4 BF of all time: 1-Bad Company 2 2-BF3 3-BF4 4-BF1 If they made a BF with 5 mechanics, the team killstreak of bf5 (like the v1 rocket) Ttk of BF4, personal killsteak of bf4 (extra grenade or speed), EVERYTHING in bad company 2, the maps of Bf3 and heavy focus on destruction and 64v64 in smaller but better detailed maps, and the atmosphere of BF1

[@ApolloTheDerg]

2042 gutted the social features, chat taken away, no servers, no platoons, not even persistent lobbies. I made many friends from BF4 back in the day, even just starting out as killing eachother in a pub match and ending up on TeamSpeak together. I still talk to these friends today, nearly a decade later. The new game just does not let you do this easily, it’s almost ashamed of the idea that you can communicate.

[@david_escalante]

There is discord. I made more friends on 2042 that I ever did on BF4, 1 and 5. Also because thankfully there is no server browser

[@ApolloTheDerg]

@@david_escalante dont get me wrong, having fresh faces in lobbies has its perks to a degree, but it is so limited. To this day I can join a BF4 locker server and say hello, and I get 3-7 responses from familiar faces, even if we aren't friends, its a community. Maybe even just having a server to play 3 rounds with the same folks and you end up talking more and making friends from funny run ins or situations. When 2042 launched I remember a Sundance landing on my jet, staring at me before the roadkill happened, and I was laughing my butt off but there was zero way to use all chat to talk about it or just share the moment. The fact it came back and is turned off by default is sad, some folks aren't even aware it is an option.

[@SleepySoviet]

Always amuses me to no end that people complained about bf5 being inauthentic to the time period but ignored bf1 being just as inaccurate

[@direct2397]

It had more to do with the entire vibe of the game rather then historical inaccuracies. A game doesn't need to be and honestly can't be 100% historically accurate. And that's fine. As long as the vibe and feel is right. In bf1, the vibe was just right. In bf5, it wasn't.

[@SleepySoviet]

@@direct2397 bf1 had nothing to do with ww1. It was a ww2 shooter wearing a ww1 skin

[@direct2397]

@@SleepySoviet and you completely missed my point. Yes it was far from a authentic ww1 experience like beyond the wire or isonzo. But again, the vibe was right. The music. Ambience, colour patterns, art style everything came together to create a incredible feel. Bf5 failed to do that. Bf5 wasn't a bad game. But it just didn't have a vibe at all. It was just a game nothing more nothing less.

[@rusi6219]

There was massive outrage about bf1 as well idk what you people are talking about

[@direct2397]

@@rusi6219 that's bs. There was not. Besides a few questions about some historical inaccuracies, there was no uproar. Bf1 had massive hype behind it because cod was failing horribly at the time with their advanced warfare bs wich people were tired off.

[@ryotv1747]

I love bf. I remember the first time I switched from cod to bf, and i told myself that I would never go back to CoD again with games like bf3. Bf1 is still imo, the best bf game out of the past 15 years. The immersion, the gore, the movement gameplay graphics soundtrack god, what a fucking game!

[@Wesker236]

Dude, just seein BF3 gameplay just makes me want to go back to play it, what a legendary game

[@Caliburnz]

In my opinion, BF4 was my favourite. I have so many fond memories of jet ramming, C4 buggy, C4 jumps, and trolling with friends. I also think it’s a hot take to say it has my favourite maps in the series. Despite some being not as remarkable, I think they all did their job at being unique and featuring a different play style. Zavod was the small map, Dawnbreaker was the linear map, Operation Locker was the infantry map, Golmud was the vehicle map, Parcel Storm was the island hopping and water map, Rouge Transmission was the “big” map, the dam map had an interesting layout, and Shanghai (and Dawnbreaker) were the city maps with Hainan being the mix of all map. That’s why BF4 will always remain my favourite shooter in history.

[@M1zzyMaz]

Great video, think you should definitely stick to making more videos like this in the future mate! Bc2/BF3 made me fall in love with Battlefield and 2042 has made that love dwindle

[@snzr]

Once the next games out and it’s good, we’ll all forget about 2042!

[@aedri]

underrated channel

[@Nitroh-]

One bit of critical info you missed about 2042 was the game was originally being made as a Battle Royale only game, hence why we got 128p, way too big and open maps, specialists etc etc. Pretty sure it was confirmed by an insider at EA, and generally easy to speculate given the layout of the game.

[@snzr]

I wasn't aware of that. That makes a lot of sense. Guess that's what they get for chasing trends 💀

[@Nitroh-]

@snzr Yup, to make it worse with Hazard Zones fail too 💀💀. I remember seeing Tom Henderson tweet about it, DICE scrapped and re built 2042 over a year into development or something.

[@crzzymnn911]

Like how 343 said the only BR theyre interested in is thr Battle rifle and yet they just released a battle royale game mode just like they always intended to do but lied through their teeth just like a crooked politician. Im done with modern gaming.

[@Red_Lion2000]

Big maps were the only good part about the game, you actually need to use transport vehicles like in the classic BF games.

[@Nitroh-]

@@Red_Lion2000 of course using transport vehicles should be encouraged, but where 2042 went wrong was doubling the size of the maps to accommodate 128 players, so the distance between spots was bigger resulting in too much open space, hence why they had to spend an entire year reworking all the maps. Maps like Hourglass, Renewal and DIscarded were atrocious on Conquest, even riding around in vehicles felt slow. At least maps like Golmud on BF4 and Galicia on BF1, riding in transport vehicles you could at least still find an enemy or 2 going from flag to flag, pre map updates on 2042 it was crickets half the time, it's still now not what it could be. DICE should have made all the maps 64p size and treat 128 as a chaotic mode like Cod used to do with ground war back in the day. making the maps 128p standard was one of the biggest mistakes DICE did which caused 80% of 2042s issues. There's a reason why most of the playerbase hate the maps, just poorly designed.

[@RipperRoo92]

Battlefield Bad Company 1 & 2 were peak Battlefield games in my opinion.

[@NoBreakz]

Bf3 was insane, but the transition from bad company to bf3 was insane

[@TheRealFeechLaManna]

Conquest at Golmud and TDM in the Noshar Channels, the very peak of Battlefield. The memories

[@clarksonoceallachain8536]

Pair the "what a time to be alive" ad with the dima ending cutscene in BF3

[@PiterburgCowboy]

With the recent fallout about the works of these creative consulting firms like SBI, we now begin to understand why in BF5 a strong, powerful disabled woman was showed into a WWII front line for absolutely no reason at all. That BF5 as was also the definitive mark where players would realize the best days for BF are over.

[@Red_Lion2000]

Best days of BF ended when it went to consoles. From there on, it was dumbed down tripe.

[@ΝΑΕ]

BF5's gunplay would be pretty good if they added specific patterns

[@snzr]

Exactly

[@ayushsinha7300]

Just replayed through BF3’s campaign again. It’s 2024, the game holds up so well even today! Just too good

[@haydonrooke3505]

EA Ruined battlefield

[@themaster3132]

Great video bro. its Kush Soup btw. this hit me in the feels i miss bf3 and playing knife only

[@snzr]

Respect brother, you’re an OG!

[@maze1914]

Can we get a bf3 remake. Hell just give me the single player mission n ill be happy lol

[@R0d_1984]

i used to have the discs from BF1942 till BF3 after what they did to BF5 i threw them out never to touch BF again (miss the Vietnam editions, BC2 and BF3 alot)...

[@Nucleootide]

BF3 and BF4 are amazing. But BF1 frontlines with no time limit truly was different. multiple hour matches felt like wars

[@SL4PSH0CK]

Historical inaccuracies isnt tolerable but the worst was delving into it more. BFV really went for DEI and even changed one of the mission relating to the heavy water campaign of replacing a squad of man of into a single woman.

[@kylegadd8993]

2042 DIDNT EVEN HAVE A SCOREBOARD FOR MONTHS

[@SamuelGavin]

My thoughts are almost identical on so many ways here. There must be many battlefielders that have been around since bad company who feel the same. You hit the nail on the head.

[@snzr]

Thank you! And I hope everyone feels the same. We need to be vocal as much as we can in hope that the franchise will change, otherwise it’s doomed.

[@R0d_1984]

Played since BF1942 days, really hooked since BF Vietnam till BF3, then i was over it.

[@Red_Lion2000]

@@R0d_1984 the move to consoles sent it tumbling downhill.

[@FindusHastlasagne]

Battlefield V isnt that bad at all. I still play it every week. But it’s far from perfect. I like that you cant see enemies that easily in battlefield V. It makes it so actually using the right color camouflage on your character can be important. It also keeps you on your toes when running into a checkpoint, which to me feels more real. The graphics are objectively better in BFV than in BF1 and the gunplay is superb! However the movement can seem abit clunky at times, the menues are bad and the game lacks a grind as is stated in this video. Many still play bfv today. I reached its peak on steam just a couple months ago actually. It got a bad release mainly because of that awful trailer and a lack of grindable content and updates.

[@snzr]

The release was bad because the game was hella broken and there was no content, and the content that was there weren’t great, like the maps for example. We had to wait months just for new content because DICE were too busy fixing the game when it should’ve been good enough on release. The release was unacceptable, It doesn’t matter how good the game is now, everyone will remember that release. As for the random recoil, it’s still an awful system that doesn’t belong in a shooter, no matter how little it is. It’s a shame the game got cancelled, it had potential at the end. Thanks for watching though!

[@favic27]

I’m genuinely struggling to tell if this comment is satire or if you’re being serious

[@ddm_gamer]

​@@favic27 Play the game, its good

[@brocklee4911]

​​@@ddm_gamer It's not though. That's why hardly anyone plays it. The only people that like the game are people who like extremely random gunfights and horrible visibility. Just like the above post. It's also infested with blatant cheaters on PC. Not worth it.

[@matheus_mko]

Man BF3 was soooo good. I remember shooting the most absurd shots of my life with the M98B across the map… you had to be there…

[@doccuda1562]

Everything he mentioned to fix BF wont do a thing. Without private servers you never build a community and the community polices cheaters on PC. BF4 had BF4DB, private servers used their ban lists so ranked servers were somewhat free of cheaters. You could even spectate a cheaters and turn them in. Without that, as with BFV, we get stuck with crappy map rotations where everyone bails at certain maps, no longer can you just jam on your favorite map all day, you have to play what the devs want you to play and the cheaters ruin over 50% of all games. Private servers wont be coming back which means a real community wont be back which means the cheaters will be. No thanks. I was a hard core BF player since 1942 and think BFV is great if not for the cheating and map rotation. I wont play any future titles unless their is an active community policing cheaters.