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[@Yorokobi224]

All my fellow Americans. Please vote locally

[@jessiegenderafterdark5287]

Yes!

[@willcail]

Someone doesn't understand how The Supremacy Clause works

[@willcail]

Someone doesn't understand how The Supremacy Clause works

[@Yorokobi224]

@@willcail maybe someone isn't tryna be jaded and believes in mutual aid and community. 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@apellonyx]

@@willcail The federal government regulates very little in regards to civil rights and community issues. Most of those issues are decided at a state and local level. So while it is important to vote at all levels, local voting actually has more power to enforce equality.

[@AMoniqueOcampo]

Critical thinking and nuance have died. I totally stand by the idea that we should be free to criticize our politicians, even the ones we vote for. Politicians need to listen to their voters. I love Chappell Roan and I hope she's okay.

[@mariaaguadoball3407]

Absolutely! Harris needs to be aware that a lot of her votes are coming from people who are having to hold their noses to cast those votes.

[@alisonmercer5946]

What she said made so much sense to me. i hate our political leaders here but I'll vote for the ones who aren't the right wing fascists but i think they are still terrible. They dont do anything to makr a load of social issues better that they effing well can but they just dont, the bare minimum, CRUMBS. but they'll give me a lethal dose of drugs to take myself out with. HOW progressive You don't have to be that great to be better than the cons . The crappy people we have to vote for pisses me off , one or the other its too easy for them

[@herlandercarvalho]

So, you're ok with criticizing Chappell too, I assume? I'm with you, if that's he case. No one is above reproach or criticism.

[@DioJeans]

@@herlandercarvalho congrats on proving the point made in the first sentence of the comment you've replied to

[@phoenixbillau-mullins6221]

​@@herlandercarvalho there is a difference between criticizing someone and taking their words out of context for the use of engagement.

[@emf4888]

The fact that people are trying to use Chappell's Conservative relatives as some kind of "gotcha" makes my blood boil. My dad is a hardcore Conservative Christian. He doesn't like Trump, but I wouldn't be surprised if he voted for him because he's got Fox News brainrot. He and I have virtually nothing in common politically. I have an uncle that turned into a hardcore Trumper. I don't associate at all with him. You can’t judge someone based on their relatives' political views. It's absolutely ridiculous. I just mailed my ballot for Harris. I even donated to her campaign because there's so much at stake. That does NOT mean that I don't have criticism of her, especially her support of Israel. To me, voting is harm reduction. It's about picking the lesser of two evils, as much as I wish it wasn't.

[@OneShot-nu6nj]

voting is also the start of a larger conversations we all need to have. it's not the end, it's only the beginning. plus, this like the last election has been an all-hands-on F@$king Deck. I have never witness something like this before where even the Chaney's are actually trying to help.... which is a weird sentence I thought I would never write or say.

[@SkyeSoleil]

Using conservative family members against her is such a weird take. Basically everyone from the south has at least one conservative family member, usually more. Especially if they’re not from rich families

[@amandamandamands]

Exactly, that is like saying that you shouldn't be for Walz because his family have spoken out against him and are all Trump supporters.

[@goodpeople25]

@@amandamandamands You're implying all his family are Trump Supporters when I'm fairly certain it's just the extended family of one member of his.

[@amandamandamands]

@@goodpeople25 Just looked it up and it is both siblings (the 3rd one is dead).

[@Trekfanwanda]

As a boomer , I don’t really know the Roan artist. As a black person, I can say this issue has been swirling in our community around Janet Jackson and her comments on VP Harris. I think tribalism has overtaken us in various forms but I’m also not sure why we can’t let artists be citizens with same rights everyone else has. Voting is the first step and not the last step in this struggle. Stay strong

[@InterdimensionalCowlick]

Everyone else gets backlash when they express political views on social media.

[@threeofeight197]

Amen!

[@Quotate]

The roan artist😂

[@remi_gio]

Oh damn… I haven’t noticed what you speak of… with us or against us! Really? That’s DJT’s mantra. Get a grip!!!!

[@corndo9]

this is a concerning comparison. idk if you’re not aware of everything janet said or if you just agree with her about this, but there are so many valid criticisms of harris - saying she’s not black is not one of them. not only does it popularize maga’s disinformation campaign (which does matter - like I would hope anyone engaging in these kinds of discussions cares about facts being accurately represented even when they concern people who we’re rightfully critical of). but more importantly imo, it’s also both insulting and ahistorical to the experiences of the generations of multicultural black people who’ve lived in the united states people are justified in being upset about janet’s statements, though I don’t think this is something she should be cancelled or harassed for or anything, either, so I don’t support anyone trying to do that. I think she deserves grace and even sympathy as some coverage went into that she’s probably hearing this stuff from her brother manager who’s very publicly gotten indoctrinated into far right ideologies. it just seems really wrong to compare an actual anti-black, anti-immigrant, anti-miscegenation conspiracy theory to the things chappell brought up when the latter literally is about human rights

[@lady_draguliana784]

as I've been saying for some time, A vote against DJT might _necessitate_ a vote for KH, but that is not a whole-hearted nor unreserved endorsement of KH, nor does it necessitate such. it's a Hierarchy of needs: we need to be able to be "allowed" to _live_ before we can fight for better conditions, more rights, better care etc. and we have to be _allowed_ to fight those fights, which we won't under DJT.

[@MrGameSecrets]

If you're thinking about your rights as something you need to be "allowed" to fight for, you already lost.

[@infinitivez]

@@MrGameSecrets As the "law" in this country is a democratic process, and how rights are described only in law, and not within the constitution, you better be "fighting" for them. Otherwise, all you have is your own idea of what rights you are entitled to, and they will continue to abuse the law as a weapon to hurt all of us. Sadly, the Constitution wasn't enough to describe what all civil liberties we have, or how the government should interpret them. As you're likely aware, they've already denied people their right to life, by forcing them to carry ectopic pregnancies.

[@lady_draguliana784]

@@MrGameSecrets I think you misunderstood my meaning. in many situations, one literally needs permission from the court to commence with certain types of lawsuit. Courts can also block certain political actions. this need for permission drug out the civil rights movement decades longer than it should have taken. but the president can greatly influence this in many ways, largely through appointments, but also through policies. Dump and his Federalist MAGAts would instate a full on anti-queer Jim Crow/Pink Laws era and would summarily reject legal challenges... if he didn't go with the concentration camp route before his tenure ended (since he'd likely try to become president for life if he somehow won). personally, I'd rather fight for progress, rather than fight to not be imprisoned or for rights we already won decades ago.

[@mothslug4387]

it's a lot harder to fight when your government makes your existence a crime

[@mzaite]

What sucks is the Democratic party sees it as getting an A+ when most people are just voting against Trump, not rewarding Democrats for their C- performance.

[@plovergrrl]

On the family member thing, I will never criticize someone for breaking off ties to family members, whether for political reasons or mental health. But at the same time openly saying someone *should* cut off their family when you know nothing about the family dynamic is pretty sick. I understand why liberals, progressives, and leftists fear the right, but family is complicated. Sometimes staying in relationships with family *can* change people's opinions over time. Sometimes you just need or want that emotional intimacy of family and avoid the politics. That's OK!

[@FrozEnbyWolf150-b9t]

Voting for Harris without endorsing her policy positions is exactly the stance of most leftists I know. Voting is a tool, not something you only do once every four years and then crawl back under a rock. If you're on the left, you vote for the opponent you most want to face. I would much rather spend the next four years debating over policy disagreements with Democrats, than literally fighting to stay alive under Republicans.

[@AW.2020]

We love the rambles. Speaking of: We just treat queer women so bad in general. It's been crazy having to watch people yell at Chappell and call her a fake and all her work "white feminism" because she would not endorse KH. And it also really is a great example of online democrats being more obsessed with optics and saying the right words then the work people are actually putting in. Like, Chappell is always talking about Palestine, trans rights, and giving large donations but not saying "I endorse Kamala Harris" is enough for the chronically online to wipe away all her activism. And, frankly, it's insane that people are holding her to a higher standard then KH and other politicians.

[@qwitchyy]

100% agree

[@chloesmith7871]

man why can't we all just be kinder to each other

[@alexm7334]

i'm not a fan of hers but it scares me how chappell roan is being held to a standard that i dont see people hold their own state reps to. i don't agree with her on everything, i don't really like what i've seen of her, but it feels very weird to treat her like she's uniquely dangerousfor having a pretty normal opinion for a regular person. yes she has a platform, but isn't it also up to us to not elevate opinions we think are bad? why doesn't she get to be a person anymore? because she wrote songs people like?

[@ねこ男の子]

Omg right. Its maddening that people are only talking about this (mainstream anyway) are only doing it because they can see the human in her. When they should have been doing it all along. You feel me

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

It's because they think Roan "belongs to them" or is part of their tribe and therefore cannot be allowed to disagree, make mistakes, or be imperfect as an icon and celebrity. I do think a lot of this comes from a sense of entitlement but also powerlessness. Your politicians who are supposed to represent you are distant figures who you feel you can't move on certain issues so you don't bother and attack "within the tribe" basically going after a figure that you feel you can hurt for making errors... someone like Roan.

[@LettaLeeJoy]

I don't think I've ever been one of the first people to comment on a Jessie Gender video. I just wanna say how much your videos mean to me as a trans person figuring herself out. Thanks for everything you do.

[@lenny_wonders]

This is such a small thing but I really REALLY appreciate you mentioning that not everyone has a found family!! there are a lot of positive interpersonal abundance myths that are meant to be really welcoming and affirming of queer people and queer culture, but that end up creating this isolation and division where people who don't have that positive interpersonal abundance are silenced, ignored, pushed to the side, treated as less queer. and I hate it 🙃so thank you for making a point to mention that we aren't all assigned a found family the day we come out!!

[@mzaite]

Wait until you hit your 40’s and even your best friends become a once every couple months thing because work doesn’t get easier, and bodies just wear the hell down.

[@SpoopySquid]

​@@mzaiteI sure love living in a late capitalist hellscape /s

[@jaynedoe-gc4im]

❤I agree and support you, as it’s my experience as a leftist Gen x Gender queer it’s hard to see which of the many reasons keep me in complicated relationships with blood and chosen family without a firm footing and either . It also reminds me of my stance “ gay marriage won’t save us” turned to “ gay marriage didn’t save us” , when not all queer people marry or even have a partner / partners . We are often rendered invisible even in our own communities .It looked more promising for me as a young , beautiful queer with an exciting potential future . I’m still fighting , because queer / trans lives matter!

[@beetlegeuse1961]

Im a lesbian and I've literally never felt anything but alienated in lesbians spaces. I hate it when people try to imply that bc you share a characteristic with someone that you're inherently safer of they're more likely to understand your experiences and you should always stand with them bc if that bc its not true.

[@fluffywafflez]

It's kind of funny to hear, "Chappel Roan needs to learn that perfect is the enemy of good, Kamala is our best option", and, "I'm done listening to Chappel Roan, if she didn't endorse Kamala she is literally letting fascism win" in the same discussion threads.

[@dentoncrimescene]

I don't live in America. I found her promoting guns really distasteful. I'd still have to vote for her. A Two party system is only one step away from a dictatorship.

[@MrGameSecrets]

How can you be against guns and then say we are one step from a dictatorship lol. How do you think the chains of fascism are broken. Also we are already in a dictatorship of capital

[@amandamandamands]

I'm not American either, with what I have seen as the gun culture there if they hadn't of said that then that leaves them open to the they are going to take away your guns narrative (what I saw was they brought it up in response to that narrative). They can't afford to get those people offside as the gun lobby is unfortunately extremely powerful.

[@marigolden_mariposa]

same. I campaigned for Bernie but sucked it up and voted for Hillary. I will vote for Kamala even if I don't agree with her on everything. Chappell also said, "I'm voting for Kamala" so it seems she agrees with us on this point.

[@fluffskunk]

In a US context, all of our civil rights and labor gains have come from oppressed people being ready to defend their lives and communities with arms. Capital and other forces of exploitation and oppression are armed. Tell our police to disarm, then we can start to talk about disarming people.

[@smolsnoodle]

For the moo deng snk skit, i think they were trying too (maybe poorly i havent seen it just heard of it) the fact that people love moo deng and yet they harass her and throw sea shells and trash at her and then the same is happening on Chappell's front which is interesting

[@erikdaniels0n]

I can see what they were going for, and I truly don’t think any ill will was meant by it (hell, Bowen Yang, who played Moo Deng in the skit is FRIENDS with Chappell Roan), but I think intent and execution are two different beasts and I don’t think it worked in execution, largely because of the existing discourse around CR.

[@remi_gio]

I thought the skit was awesome so if you are an artist and decide to go mainstream/commercial then you are aware of the trade-offs. We all have to accept them in one form or another in our lives - why an artist should be any different? Rainbow syndrome much? Life is hard for everyone.

[@smolsnoodle]

@@erikdaniels0n yeah definitely that's what I was trying to say but with all the tension people probably took it differently which I can see

[@marigolden_mariposa]

​@@remi_gio"rainbow syndrome" huh?? wtf are you talking about?

[@marigolden_mariposa]

well she did comment "hilarious" so I hope she actually didn't take it the wrong way personally. also, Bowen came out and defended himself & said it wasn't "mocking" etc. but if it was me, I wouldn't have done the joke just because of how bad things have been lately, but I'm not a comedian.

[@Sofianunes12]

Love Chappell, hate a big part of her fanbase.... I guess her and Jesus have that in common

[@Cdr2002]

Not trying to insult you so I’m sorry if this comes off wrong Equating her to Jesus is exactly what creates the problem. I get what YOURE trying to say, and I think you’re on the money; they’re ACTING like religious extremists, upholding her like a god when she has no desire for that

[@youtubesupportsfascism]

@@Cdr2002 jesus is the problem...religious terrorists continue destroying people's lives and people like you still defend it.

[@ueueuuiie7731]

@@Cdr2002 she's joking... i thought it was funny😰

[@Cdr2002]

@@ueueuuiie7731 that’s totally fine, I just think the comparison belies the problem. I’m not mad at her

[@ueueuuiie7731]

@@Cdr2002 IK! I read your reply😭 the comparison is the joke. the contrast between a pop star and Jesus Christ is the punchline, and then the added context that this is a common (ironic) sentiment/in-joke among pop girlies reinforces the it. I got a giggle out of me but it was THAT funny... it was just a cute little, lovingly profane joke😭😭 it didnt warrant all this!!! you just pointed out the profanity, which was the basis of the joke!!

[@bunji_beans]

This whole situation really upset me as someone who shares a similar, if not the same, view as Chappell. I've seen people I like and respect claim that Kamala and the democratic party have no anti Trans issues and do not support Israel. I hate how weird everyone gets around elections and it really sucks that Chappell found fame during an election year.

[@SuperPal-tr3go]

I really do wish people were more confident to voice their issues with the Democrats and hopeful enough to believe that the Democrats can be swayed. I feel like many people have just decided "yeah the Democrats aren't gonna stop supporting a genocide so I we gotta just stop talking about it or caring" which is honestly terrifying.

[@Iffy028]

The Chappel Roan situation feels indicative of the unsteady civil war we’re kind of having between leftists and neo liberals over Harris’s hawkish rhetoric. So while I don’t truthfully listen to her music, I empathize with her and her sentiments. I agree we’re voting for Harris not with the enthusiasm for her, but because leftists have a fighting chance against her on issues that matter vs having no shit at all against Trump. I urge people to vote for Harris, but understand people having to do so under protest.

[@lanceelliot9979]

Youre so delusional. She makes it clear every chance she gets, that she's just as bad as him. But you talk about a fighting chance against the "top cop." Lay off the krak pipe.

[@manderly33]

@@lanceelliot9979 This is not the way to build solidarity with others.

[@Iffy028]

I think you missed the part where I said I empathize with Roan. I think it’s fair to criticize Harris using hawkish rhetoric and I acknowledge her record as AG isn’t exactly stellar. Nor do I think she’s done enough to distinguish herself from Biden concerning issues that concern leftists like me. But I stand by what I said.

[@lanceelliot9979]

@@manderly33 I dont build solidarity with delusional genocde supporting fascsts.

[@auberginebear]

What I noticed is that the vast majority of people attacking Chappell Roan treated her as an ally, including most queer outlets at first, even for those who weren’t highly critical of her sharing her opinion were erasing her sexuality (although most were absolutely critical of her using the “both sides” narrative more than that she’s critical of Democrats).

[@wyrdness]

Yours is the first video on this topic I've seen that didn't start with "we all know she didn't mean vote Trump when she said she wouldn't endorse Harris" and somehow end with "but she really needs someone to come in and tell her how to behave like a 'good' celebrity". Though why? If her message was understood why does she need coaching just to make her words more palatable and "comfortable" to other (mainstream) sensibilities? I miss our gradual loss of not having to 100% agree with someone's entire statement and ethos to think they are making a valid point.

[@legendofayda]

This is the only take I’ve seen so far that is actually nuanced. Thank you. Most people talking about this haven’t even made mention of her stance on Palestine and trans rights.

[@eme.261]

D'Angelo Wallace posted a very nuanced video about the topic and included her support of Palestine and Trans Rights.

[@legendofayda]

Erm no he didn’t. He didn’t bring up either of those things. He’s exactly one of the people I’m referring to in my comment. It seems many of his viewers agree if you take a look at his comment section.

[@eme.261]

@@legendofayda -- That's odd. We must have watched a different video.

[@DorianGay]

@@legendofaydaHe did play her video portions about Palestine

[@qwitchyy]

The Humanist Report and Khadija Mbowe made good videos mentioning both subjects

[@lignjahal]

Shit like this is why I’m still mostly in the closet…

[@kushclarkkent6669]

Posts like this break my heart. I pray we get this society to a point where you can fully be yourself. Having to live any portion of your one shot at life "in the closet" is unacceptable. That's why I'm voting for Harris/Walz. Queer people have suffered enough.

[@PokhrajRoy.]

Your tweet definitely started the cogs in my mind. Thanks for initiating the discourse. P.S. We don’t need a documentary in 20 years about how we could’ve done better. We have to do beyond better in the present.

[@Stress-Free-K]

Hillary's loss is a great case in point.

[@NineToFiveGamerUC0079]

Yea and a place that people can start on is decentering the opinions of the priveleged. Yes even our precious LGBTQIA folks because clearly the level of "fight" is just not the same. And someone who has no idea what they're talking about should probably use some of that time their privilege provided and actually do some research. Instead of running your mouth and then running away when people challenge your awful take

[@joshuaturnquist5538]

You talking about how some gay men can stir the pot reminded me of this guy who used to be in my TTRPG group. Old gay guy who was ex-military and was very vocal about how women shouldn't be allowed in the military. When talking about LGBT issues, he would correct people to say GLB+ because he felt it was important to put gay men first and exclude trans. He was a big misogynist. I agreed with him on some issues, disagreed on others, but it's important to see him as a person like Roan. People are complicated, and there's a human desire to put people into 2 easy boxes; people who agree with us and people against us, but everyone is unique.

[@vainpiers]

Yeah the first time I became aware gay men weren't necessarily allies was when I was in a gay bar (a bar that the bouncer felt the need to warn me was gay) and my friends date said he thought i was disgusting for being attracted to women and I should give men another go very aggressively. I was the only queer woman there and none of the gay men around me said anything. Most gay men in my life are well meaning but oblivious to issues they don't face, but also wouldn't let that shit slide if they were aware. This is my own experience. The queer groups I end up in is mostly sapphic and trans.

[@Newton-Reuther]

​@vainpiers That's really gross, and I'm sorry that happened to you. Unfortunately, a lot of people put the privileged part of their identity above all else. I've dealt with similar gay men, and it still surprises me how they refuse to see others as equals.

[@user-unfriendly_-o-]

The fact that people read "both sides have problems" as "both sides are equally bad" is INSANE. SHE IS A DRAG QUEEN. A LESBIAN. Her actions are clearly a response to shit that's been done to queer children all around America UNDER DEMOCRATS. "She should learn to talk like a cele-" NO. She should be disruptive. She should make people question their stupid opinions, should scream at stalkers, should keep being "problematic". We can't keep doing "just shut up and be good" to women. And also the best part of "both sides have problems" is that it shows that her criticism also applies to Trump. I'm so tired of libs using the work of POC and queer people and then throwing them under the bus after they got their rights.

[@lilyoftheveil666]

There was a lot of "Blue no matter who" and "now is not the time to criticize" rhetoric for Biden as well, both earlier in this election and in 2016. Also, as a Canadian and a trans person, we're also staring down the potential of a facist government soon-ish, so maybe hold off on the idea of moving here if Trump wins.

[@InterdimensionalCowlick]

Trump won, loaded the Supreme Court, now women are being hospitalized, criminally charged and passing away while infant mortality skyrockets. Always criticize your leaders. And always know the difference between what you want and what you have the support to accomplish.

[@Yorokobi224]

In 2016, my ex-wife held a Pride event in our small town and invited the Democratic Women's Party. They asked me if I was registered and I answered yes. she asked if I was voting for Hillary and she I said, no, I'm a Bernie fan. She laughed and said well you better get on the Hillary train. I walked away.. I still vote Blue

[@KC-2049]

Pollievre is a fucking nightmare but it's the same thing here. people are tired of the neo liberal status quo, but they have a deep seated fear of communism/socialism because they've been indoctrinated to believe we'll end up like North Korea if we go left, so they think PP will fix things. it's the same as the UCP here in Alberta, never mind that the cost of living here has skyrocketed BECAUSE of the UCP's refusal to regulate anything and introduce rent caps or energy caps, and their selling of Calgary as a solution to the housing crisis in Toronto and Vancouver, everything is obviously Notley's fault from her one term in office 10 years ago 🙄 it's all yadda yadda Alberta was in a surplus last year, ok so why is everything expensive af? and they have no answer to that question except a bunch of waffle about trans/gay people and immigrants. in short, they think that leftist policy is the CAUSE of the growing cost of living crisis and inability to own anything, while ignoring that this is the direct result of growing right wing tendency since the 80s. it's insane.

[@mzaite]

To say nothing of fucking Clinton. Horrible garbage person, garbage family of grifters, but can’t say anything bad because her or fucking Trump.

[@NineToFiveGamerUC0079]

​@@Yorokobi224I would have laughed at your ass too. No amount of justification exists to explain why people stepped aside and basically let Trump and his Goons screw all of us over. I didn't like Hillary either but she never mentioned banning people that look like me from entering the country. She didn't call Haiti or Nigeria a shithole country. So while you probably felt some kind of feeling of pride, you were basically telling everyone else "Well tough cookies"

[@edamamame4U]

Thank you for reporting on this, Jessie. I am glad that Chappel Roan has tried to establish clear boundaries with her fans as celebrities DO NOT owe you anything without their due consent. I feel that we put such insane pressure and scrutiny on young female (especially queer) pops-stars. We police their bodies, we police how they act, etc. Chappel Roan has proven that you can still vote for a political candidate without fully agreeing with their policies nor endorsing them-- I don't understand how people are still targeting her for this. Furthermore, I feel that Chappel Roan was rocketed to fame so quickly that she has not even had time to fully comprehend it. I'm worried that the fame-machine is having a very adverse effect on Chappel, and some of her more stan fans are not helping by attacking her for canceling shows, not endorsing a political candidate, etc. I truly hope that she is able to get away from the fame machine for a bit and truly focus on her mental health.

[@remi_gio]

@@edamamame4U in the end she did sign the contract and knew exactly what she was getting into - otherwise she could have been a recording artist only. Pressure? Hell yeah! We all have to deal/live with trade-offs and I don’t see how celebrities/artists should be any different - they sure profit off the fans! Queer or not, same for every artist.

[@edamamame4U]

@@remi_gio So you think it's alright for her stan fans to bully her and demand that she give them hugs, sign autographs, take photographs with her, etc. without her consent? Hmmm, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. Why do we subject female artists to this level of scrutiny and not men then?

[@Lia46728]

​​​@@remi_gioThat is like saying singing your contract at Target means you agree to getting attacked by customers and fall into burnout from pressure and no one should protect you or support you- after all it is you own fault to have a job, eh? Don't you find this victim blaming stance a bit ridiculous, too?

[@remi_gio]

@@Lia46728 Oh please, she wanted fame and that comes with some trade-offs. She could have just been a recording/studio artist but she chose fame through her image and presence. She is paid for it and if she can’t handle occasional pressure then maybe it’s not the right job for her. It’s a tough business, not for the faint hearted. Imagine if a cashier at the supermarket said he couldn’t cope with the customers - they would have been let go because that job requires interactions with customers. Sick of making excuses just because someone is famous🤦🏻‍♂️

[@remi_gio]

@@edamamame4U I don’t doubt being famous is demanding but if she can’t handle it maybe she should look for another job. I’ve changed profession 4 times until I found the one I was good at and that made me happy. Making drama and playing the victim while making hundreds of thousands is quite idiotic.

[@gamineglass]

It's so important to talk about the utter lack of nuance in our society these days. There is a frightening dearth of critical thinking which I think has laid the groundwork for the insane and inane politics we are seeing right now. Nobody is perfect, even, if not especially, the people we vote for. Vote anyway!

[@TheFaceOfFailure]

I appreciate this perspective, Jessie. It's also very relatable re: how expendable we are as queer people, especially when we have multiple marginalizations. I think we're often also guilty of brigading each other in search of some sort of nonexistent moral purity, and result taking ourselves out of the conversation entirely through friendly fire. It makes me ask: would Sabrina Carpenter be under as heavy fire for similar statements? How about Hozier? In both cases: probably not.

[@saraCFUSA]

I’m voting Harris/Walz 2024. Vote for whoever you want, heck write-in someone if you want to… but at the very minimum please vote. For example if you’re in New York please vote yes on the proposal one/equal rights amendment. Flip that ballot over. This proposal will ensure access to abortion and enshrine protections from discrimination based on many factors including sex, disability, gender identity, gender expression…. As a trans woman I’ve faced verbal harassment/mockery at work. I’m privileged to be in a state working for an employer that takes this seriously. I still deal with victim guilt for even reporting even though all I want is the person to respect basic humanity. Even if you don’t vote for anyone for President please just vote.

[@MrGameSecrets]

Even if i disagree w voting harris at least youre not brow beating people. So ty lol

[@larissabrglum3856]

Down-ballot races are more important than most people give them credit for

[@Caterfree10]

I feel like the whole intentionally misinterpreting thing has been all over the place as of late. If it’s not right wing grifters, it’s also leftist infighting either as described here with Chappelle Roan or various discourses such as dismissing trans men/mascs and their experiences with misogyny and reproductive rights issues, as an example. It’s frustrating tbh, and the autistic problem of not being understood makes it worse, at least for me tbh. Like. I’m tired dammit.

[@Caroleeena]

Bowen Yang's skit made perfect sense. It was sympathetic. I can't believe people are trying to make it what it wasn't. That joke worked just fine in a straight space too. He wasn't saying she's a hippo. His humor was clear. I just can't believe what I am hearing right now...

[@remi_gio]

Indeed! Triggered, offended… and over sensitive people… it’s a comedy show! I didn’t agree with Chapelle’s special on Netflix but SNL wasn’t malicious at all! Come on!!!!🤦🏻‍♂️

[@oil-and-water]

​@@remi_giothey're talking about chappell roan, not dave chappelle

[@remi_gio]

@@oil-and-water yep, Chapelle was transphobic and in bad faith - jokes about Roan were not in any way malicious or mentioning her being queer.

[@olliespinoza]

I think for me I was initially hesitant about it just bc I remembered the try guys skit and other more bad faith feeling skits, and it took me a moment to see if it was just my personal biases against SNL or if it was actually in bad taste. Overall, I'm meh on it but I get why people liked it and I get why people hated it

[@Newton-Reuther]

​@olliespinoza The try guys were straight, and Bowen is gay and not a sexist POS like that one try guy who tried cheating.

[@samirabdel-aziz478]

I just thought it was a tongue in cheek reference to Chappell. It didn't feel mean spirited but just more of a "if you know, you know"

[@lilykatmoon4508]

This was an outstanding analysis of the situation. I only recently discovered Chappel Roan. I’m in my fifties and only recently coming into my queerness. I’m soaking up wonderful commentary on channels like yours, and as I have very eclectic tastes in just about everything, I’ve loved all of her songs I’ve heard so far. She’s authentic to her core, and her insistence on boundaries and being vocal about what she believes in and walking that walk really earns my respect. Honestly, I’m absolutely in sync with your attitude towards Kamala. This was wonderfully insightful!

[@MrShoward73]

This has been a very difficult election year for all the reasons you and Chappell (and others) have mentioned, and it’s sad that Chappell (and others) are being excoriated for being truthful and honest about how they feel. Honesty is needed now more than ever when certain groups of people *refuse* to acknowledge reality. I don’t think you are rambling at all.

[@MicahSps]

Chappell saw the housewife transform in the "Get a Job" video the Offspring did and went "I wanna be like her". And good for her!

[@okamiseven]

Celebrity culture is hella toxic and it's honestly refreshing to see a new and rising star establish firm and early boundaries with both the media and the fans. Parasocial expectations are so twisted and harm both the famous and the fans. Hoping more famous people follow CR's example.

[@Ellyc2929]

People on "the left" criticizing roan and saying she isn't queer because of what she said is exactly what she was talking about regarding there being ISSUES ON BOTH SIDES omgahhh. Humans have lost the capacity to be nuanced. Side note: saying bowen's sketch would have hit better in a different (queer) audience kiiiiiiiinda feels like saying he shouldn't be making jokes that aren't for the community on a larger scale. Just food for thought.

[@kashiichan]

I understood this more as a commentary about "knowing your audience" and using your humour to target them appropriately. Some jokes just don't land with the wrong audience.

[@Newton-Reuther]

People don't really know what queer politics are if they were claiming that Roan not supporting a milquetoast Democrat means she isn't queer. Queer is radical and freeing, not supporting the lesser of two evils.

[@beckheorshepls5397]

To touch on the topic of Chapel Roan's relationship with her parents as a queer woman with Republican family members, the first time I listened to Pink Pony Club I got pretty emotional at her lyrics about still having her hometown and family on her mind. I understand her sympathy because I know how much Republican Christian spaces messes with people's minds and manipulates them. I know it. I've been guilt tripped into it. I'm queer. I'm in a stressful situation with my mother going through a divorce with her abusive husband. I have a very close relationship to her but she's a Trump supporter and it hurts that I can't completely be myself around her. I hate that people interpret her sympathy for her family trapped in those spaces as endorsing right wing views. It's a complicated situation that requires nuance!!!

[@beckheorshepls5397]

I love living in the Midwest. I love the place where I grew up. I don't want to be forced leave this all behind and move somewhere else just to safely be myself. I don't want to lose that part of myself

[@phoenixfreefall]

I completely respect this position, especially as a progressive liberal queer person. If we ignore that the left does also have huge problems to overcome, then we become guilty of the same mindless sycophancy embraced by the MAGA crowd. I'm 100% voting for Kamala because for me the choice is clear, but that doesn't mean I think she (or any Democrat) is 100% free of their own problems.

[@thedepartedocean]

As a Canadian I feel thankful that we’re a multi-party system. Trudeau sucks, Poilievre is a Trump wannabe, at least NDP is a reasonable 3rd option. I’m watching this election and fearing for our own next year, things are scary recently. Stay safe my friends ❤

[@ねこ男の子]

Lmao we said the same thing about the last guy who opposed trudeau. I like pierre. Hes unlike most of the conservatives I've ever seen.

[@ねこ男の子]

Like, even as a gay dude who lost friends for voting conservative lol. I just want affordable housing. :)

[@KC-2049]

@@ねこ男の子 lmao I'm sorry but if you think PP is gonna do anything but perpetuate or worsen our economic status quo you're barking. he's exactly as Trump: sells himself as friendly to the working class, but just as much a silver spoon mother fucker as Trudeau if not worse.

[@Wallaceismyba]

​@@ねこ男の子?????

[@Wallaceismyba]

​@@ねこ男の子honestly, voting for pierre is dumb regardless knowing what he actually does. Want affordable housing? Start voting in your local elections so you dont get a danielle smith

[@Cdr2002]

7:15 I saw someone call the military stuff “Blue Jingoism” and yeah

[@Ian_Jules]

I agree it’s important to have these conversations compassionately. I’m “very supportive of Kamala Harris.” I’d even say I *like* Kamala. That doesn’t mean we agree on everything, but dialog is how we find better solutions. That’s why the current culture of fear, insecurity, and mistrust is so devastating.

[@MrGameSecrets]

How do you like her lol

[@Ian_Jules]

@@MrGameSecrets If you were looking for a serious answer, she’s well-spoken and I do think she’s genuinely interested in connecting with people to make change for the better. That’s leadership in a nutshell. That said, she’s chosen to work from within the system and baggage comes with that. But any remotely positive energy is hugely refreshing at this point. In ‘08, Obama ran on hope… I imagine any candidate today would be ruthlessly mocked for doing that.

[@MrGameSecrets]

@Ian_Jules she is directly responsible, as bidens VP, for the genocide of 200k palestinians and has repeatedly avowed that ahe will continue to let israel do whatever it wants. Deal breaker

[@marygreenapple]

"Maybe no one'l watch it." "Well then, just call me Nobody." 😂 (Genuinely interested in your take 😊) (Edit, after watching it: I was right to be excited. Even your 'rambles' are full of nuance and so much food for thought.)

[@mitochondria558]

Dang, the liberals are big mad. Even though what she said was extremely reasonable. That sucks, this happened to me with one single liberal friend. I criticized Biden and all the sudden I was "anti democracy". I think this actually gives her really good staying power in the long run, with her core fan base. I'm not the biggest fan of her genre of music, but this gave me tremendous respect for her. I think younger folks are not interested in Democrats or supporting genocide and would have been devastated if she endorsed Harris. This is rough but I really hope she gets through it and isn't punished for doing the right thing in the long run.

[@ToaAgarwaen]

"We vote for who we organize under" I really love this phrasing! Great way to frame the issue of voting especially in a system the forces such undesirable choices.

[@Starbush69]

I’m still recovering after watching I Saw The TV Glow last night, but I can still comment on this subject. While I’m not familiar with most of Chappell Roan’s work, I do empathize with her stance on the two party system in a way that we’re both like “This f*ckin sucks. The choices we have aren’t great, but still voting for the less sh*tty option.” And yet people still take it as “Oh, my god! You want Trump to win?!” *Sighs* Internet, The final frontier where nuance goes to die. Thank you for trying to bring nuance to this conversation at least, cause it’s frustrating and feels hopeless at times when liberals and conservatives are so focused on treating elections like it’s a sports game, rather than working towards a future that’s beneficial for everyone in the world. Not just America. I have my fears and anxieties about this election that I don’t enough sleep, but I hope there will be a point in time where politicians are held to accountability for putting us through all this stress. We should be working towards that future. “There is still time.” 🖖💖💖💖

[@ricopena2053]

Instead of bullying a pop singer to endorse a candidate just to get a percentage of her fan base to vote, the party should write policies that help young people.

[@LiliaandNova]

It's realistic and essential to critique our elected leaders ❤

[@Completely-Hatstand]

FTA After seeing a few other videos on Roan, it was nice to watch your take on it. Thanks ❤

[@EnordAreven]

Thanks for putting this on the main channel

[@zitadoeza]

We're all just frogs in a pot of slowly boiling water, and as the heat keeps rising people start to feel that fear and start looking for something to fight and trying to identify those who are willing to fight with them. You're definitely right about it all feeling very tribalistic and personally I wouldn't be surprised if it ends in actual violence.

[@DJDocsVideos]

Any kind of "activism" and making a "political statement" as a person in the public eye is always framed as activism will lead to backlash. Some are "born" th handle it .Some learn (with help) how to handle it and others fail. It's sad but it's the reality of things 😞

[@R-Chitter]

Tribalism and a lack of nuanced discussion is eroding our empathy.

[@viral-hero3252]

Man I feel the same a lot of this. I feel like being a public figure and having to be held in the spotlight was always hard, but especially now where harassment and shame is now the way modern society deals with people dislike it? How we hold "we're better than the mob" then go back to grab our pitchforks and go back to our mob. But I think today there's not much space or time to explain things are just "i am against" or "i am for" and then we either hold it to the highest praise or throw it out

[@elsiemon]

This totally resonates with me Jessie, just on a interpersonal level, thanks for posting it

[@TheRogueCommand]

I really needed to hear someone level-headed right now, thank you so much for everything you do, Jessie

[@threeofeight197]

You’re right. Trump scares people. Not everyone reacts the same way. Some ppl just want to check out. But I would urge folks to vote. Voting is just a tool that can be used to make a difference from the local to the federal level. At the local level this is very important and small margins can make big changes. Gerrymandering is in my ballot for example and is super important. It’s one tool in the fight and doesn’t necessarily represent one’s ideal system. That being said, blaming ppl for how they feel about it is super unhelpful. Convince people if they don’t agree with you, name calling definitely won’t get them on your side!!!

[@A6by]

I think the skit was probably framed the way it was because it needed to appeal to an audience who almost exclusively only knows about the hippo and not about Roan. That's SNL's viewerbase, so the parallels to Roan are treated as more of an easter egg than a direct part of how the skit works. I mainly feel this because I *am* an old person who had never heard of Roan before this, and I watched the skit and thought it was just a cute animal skit.

[@Newton-Reuther]

I agree and I'm a young Chappell Roan fan who had no idea who the hippo was. SNL's audience is very liberal (not leftist), so it's pretty important that they said something in solidarity. Even if it got lost on people who like being offended.

[@ShadowProject01]

Roan needs a publicist to handle these things. Her Mental health will thank her for it

[@mvidal1047]

I want to thank you for having the courage for addressing issues I would never have bothered. You could have easily kept doing sci fi reviews, and to me, they would have been sufficient. However, it is precisely the non-review videos that I admire and respect the most. You have helped me over the years on recognizing and correcting my own biases. I cannot thank you enough for that.

[@emowoly]

people are going after her for having conservative relatives but having that bigoted republican uncle at holiday gatherings is so common for midwestern/southern/appalachian queer people that its a joke in the community. its not on us that other grown ass adults(whove usually been republicans longer than we've even been alive) in our family are conservative

[@Imjustkendall]

Srsly, I see mostly men hating on her.

[@edamamame4U]

Unfortunately, she has a lot of female fans who are bordering on stan territory hating on her as well. They are angry that she has canceled shows and has actually tried to set healthy boundaries for herself.

[@mxmothmanart]

from my perspective, we need to talk about the problems with Kamala now because while we might not be able to get her to change, we can make people aware that we can't just go back to brunch the moment she wins. All these people talking about protesting after she's won are talking about something that happens too late. everyone's already back to brunch by then. they did it with Biden otherwise they wouldn't be so willfully ignorant towards all the problems that are happening in Texas, Florida, etc right now.

[@micah8793]

It’s especially wild to me that people criticize her for having conservative family when a lot of the music that made her popular is like “leaving home to do what I want and be in community with queer people is looked down upon.” Like it is explicitly about dealing with the difficulties of wanting to leave and still wanting to please her family.

[@nimexwolf]

I think her biggest issue is her lack of media training, and her speaking before thinking about things. She's incredibly talented and people are bound to want her to be a perfect queen, but then when she makes a human mistake, they go wild. It's super unfair. That being said, I think it may still have a negative ripple effect to say "I do not endorse either candidate" rather than saying "I think both candidates have issues, but we are in better hands with this one". I think if given another chance, she would have said something closer to the latter. I still think holding public speakers accountable is important, but when people purposely mince meanings and turn on people over "vibes" it's really damaging to the unity we should be striving for. Chappell is literally one of the biggest allies in pop culture right now, and people think she's secretly conservative? Like, come ON y'all.

[@Soguwe]

You know a democracy is unhealthy when "The dear leader is not perfect" leads to harassment campaigns.

[@zemmym.9437]

It's kind of wild, everyone is acting like this is the first time they've ever heard of a progressive. 😅 Because me in my little bread tube bubble is just like... yeah... isn't that everyone??? People are voting for Kamala but they're not happy about it??? She's better than Trump, and that's the driving force behind voting for her 👀

[@Inky1313Starlight]

I'm so grateful for the way you explain things! I get overwhelmed by a lot of things like this so easily and the way you explain it makes it so much easier for me to understand.

[@katiasofiagonzales1235]

I feel one thing that also has been bothering people is just been a perception of her not taking advantage or recognizing her privilege. As a disable working class that has had to go to work when feeling incredibly sick I see the message I'm just taking off for my mental health an a part of me gets a rush of irritation...until I start thinking about it. Is not good that we exist in a world that forces people to suffer through that. She doesn't owes anyone anything, she is an amazing artist, and yeah must be nice to be in a situation when you can take a day off work, is not like she is not dealing with backlash and a cost from that. So this made me challenge that first reaction but I feel that there is where a lot of people get stuck. I hope she gets the space she needs, and I really hope she chooses to keep making art, tho she is on her right to chose not to.

[@Lia46728]

I totally understand and am simultaneously scared for myself of the judgement that comes with not filtering this thought that you mentioned. I am currently not functioning due to my mental health issues and therefore cannot work at the moment. I am still in Uni (but finished my degree almost), so that helps my situation, but I am constantly struggling with the shame of not being able to hold a job and about feeling so awful and burned out mentally when "others have it worse". I feel like I am not allowed to have my issues due to this, but yet here they are anyway. I might have the opposite angry thought, like "be happy to have the privilege of being even baseline functioning", but I know, as a disabled person, that this is not true functionality and you have to do what you need to in order to sustain yourself no matter how bad you feel. And I come to the same conclusion, it is ridiculous that our society is so messed up to not allow proper rest.

[@diavalmoon]

I don't really know chappell roan so when I heard she wasn't supporting harris I was curious why and I found out why it seemed valid imo cause I feel the same when they didn't let a palestinian speak at the dnc and I didn't know she was bipolar or that u were autistic or that James somerton faked a suicide I guess I learn something new everyday thank u

[@longshank59]

TY Jesse for highlighting this issue. As a Boomer Trans Woman 65 they've always vilified it. I've had issues with Twitch Streamers telling people if your in a Solid Red or Blue State vote Jill Stein. I live in TX and will be voting Kamala. I am one of those that is having issues with moving. Here's hoping that all us Trans people are safe after the election.

[@hpoz222]

jill stein is literally the worst, I would not vote for her even if our electoral system changed tomorrow and third parties were somehow viable. literally her only political action is to say all the right things to attract naive leftists in an election year and then disappear for the next three. if we want to have a serious leftist movement in the US it will not come from anywhere near the Green party

[@Newton-Reuther]

Jill Stein recently mentioned pardoning Jan 6ers. If that's someone's idea of a leftist candidate, they need a wake up call. Best of luck on moving. 💙

[@chrisschlomo]

To start, I am glad you released this publicly, these types of conversations are valuable. A saying that you have intoned many times is: nuance is a thing. I very much embrace that perspective as much as I can. Nuance adds complexity, and necessarily slows down the race to control the narrative or seize more power etc. I think there many reasons for people and/or systems to avoid or subdue other perspectives; the two most common I personally see are people being unable effectively engage with nuance, or actively removing nuance. A simpler narrative is easier to control and maintain. Fewer variables reduces opportunities for an oversight to happen. [Of course this is in and of itself an oversimplification and does not describe every instance of this idea manifesting.] I have not seen the SNL skit, so I cannot speak to that in detail. However, I think a danger we all face is hiding or minimizing those intersecting facets of our identity that make us unique to try and better engage with the dominant culture. Maintaining power will almost always offer an incentive to misrepresent or silence dissenting voices. I think it can also provide a (probably false) sense of power/control to those who have historically not had it. I don’t know if the powers that be are ever going to encourage and educate us to see the humanity in those that have a conflicting viewpoint. I can say it’s truly sad to dehumanize a person by deliberately mischaracterizing their words or intentions simply to perpetuate a self-serving narrative. Thank you to anyone who has read to this point. Hopefully it all made a small bit of sense and did not come off as preachy or anything like that. I have read some of the comments and there are a lot of thought provoking that people are bringing up. 😊❤

[@DianaStevens42]

Before I transitioned I was super left, but now I recognize that I’m fully a neoliberal. Maybe that’s a bad thing and I should work to become more progressive again, but I’m scared and I want mommy to protect me with her lethal force.

[@tarryfingert]

In the UK before the general election in July, there was some of the same stuuf - if you criticise Labour, you're supporting the Tories. We're not a two party system, but still. And look at how Labour are shitting the bed now. The people who chastising the people saying that Labour weren't saviours have vanished.

[@MsBryant33]

Well expressed I think - tricky subject (and one outside my experience) but very thoughtful.

[@EmiSuess]

THANK YOU for saying all of the stuff I have been feeling out loud

[@KateKanenator]

This fear tactic was used in 2016, and it backfired spectacularly. You're spot on about voter "apathy" stemming from the vinegar over honey tactic and not just due to disinterest.

[@matthewrivera5528]

I have never been into idolizing politicians or celebrities. They are people. Some are bad, good, and all are not perfect. Personally, I don't think the two candidates are the same. Especially during a time when one is so open with their hateful rhetoric. I don't have any animosity toward Chappell Roan. We each have different life experiences that shape our point of view. I just wish we were all nicer to each other.

[@CodeNameAlison]

Friendly space ninja just dropped a video on this as well. I admire you both and if I’m half the people you are both on KZbin and in life then I will have succeeded.

[@Mandavee]

I cant believe Chappell Roan thinks Coolsville sucks.

[@anjar6483]

So many people simply expect too much from Chappell. Her career is being a musician, and its kinda ridiculous that people demand to know her political views as if they're entitled to know everything about her. I also never see male celebrities held to this same standard so i can't help but feel misogyny is at play. There's always a female celebrity of the week to criticize, and people never learn.

[@HoboGeneral]

I really feel there was a big fear created after Hillary lost in 2016. Back then it felt like there wasn't nearly as much pushback to calling out a candidate because, for me and my personal circles, it felt that it was both important and wouldn't keep her from winning the election because the alternative was unthinkable. After she lost this fear of criticism leading to apathy in the voter base seemed to grow dramatically. Now the previously unthinkable is a strong possibility, and the fear of recreating that apathy of 2016 is leading to a lot of the vitriol. To be fair I'm very privileged so I may very well be missing perspectives or aspects that may present a different narrative, but that's what I have noticed at least.

[@Newton-Reuther]

Isn't it wild that Americans hold everyone but Hillary responsible for her loss? A lot of people were dumb and stayed home or weren't strategic in their voting, but ultimately, Hillary did not campaign in important states she assumed she was going to win.

[@adrianodrika]

There is this song, A Queda, from Gloria Groove that applies so well to Chappell Roan situation. Is about how the public wants to rip artists apart, and how more than the success, the public eye wants to see the fall. And I hope Chappell has some time to treat her mental health.

[@fluffskunk]

Democrats reacted to the Trump cult by embracing cult behavior themselves.

[@idagergely6235]

I love you Jessie🩷! And I love your beautiful view on our world! Sometimes as a fellow autistic person your essays are the only thing that make me get out of bed! Wishing you everything nice!!

[@kosmicvalkyrie]

One thing about moving to Canada if Trump wins, it's extremely likely far right Pierre Poilievre will become PM here since our politics tend to mirror the US. It was a bit delayed, but things are getting worse here for trans people every day as both US and English trans "debate" bs is slowly poisoning politics here too.

[@intellectually_lazy]

i think at some point snl just became a long tech commercial, especially every time that one dude does an eminem spoof, like stu was funny, but that one about nfts just kinda proved it

[@intellectually_lazy]

james somerton did that review of stalker killer and he said afab persons that write bl fiction are fetishizing gay bodies, and that really hurt, but i also said, geez, i think the stuff i wrote is better than this thing he just reviewed, so i started writing again

[@Newton-Reuther]

Not just women. Plenty of nonbinary people too

[@biggieman532]

Great vid jesse, loved hearing what u have to say about this

[@elaryn.new.22]

Wait you are so right!! I canvas in PA and the thing that it making it harder to even make contact with disaffected or apathetic voters are outrage cycles like this at Roan. People see this and don't even want to hear my reasons for voting (like you said, who do I want to organize against) and slam the door on my face. It's completely counter productive.

[@SkunkWerks7]

I was googling Roan and whatever this controversy was as I started playing your video. I've heard the name but I'm not too familiar with her, and apparently also not with what "the controversy" is. Having read it, and having heard your take on it I would almost say "no notes". You got it spot on. I'm not queer myself per se (I've got plenty of ways I'm not "normal", though), but cults of personality, tribalism, and jingoistic rhetoric like this has never been something I've enjoyed about society- and as a gen-Xer I say that even without addressing the steroid that social media has brought to that tendency. People who feel the need to "hard-sell" Roan on Kamala were hoping for another Taylor Swift, and evidently have lost track of the fact that she's a person (who has relatives, specific views informed by specific experiences, and so on). "Winning at any Cost" is supposed to be the other side's game.

[@001sander2]

Blind loyalty to any party is dangerous.

[@monriatitans]

I wrote a haiku about this a while back: Accusations Reacting to what you think I'm doing says more about you than me.

[@infinitivez]

I agree with everything you said, short of maybe, I think the SNL skit was fine. Just fine, not necessarily good or bad, just, meh. I think it might have actually taught the normies something, but there's also a lot of people blowing it out of proportion. Maybe I only saw part of it? but I didn't see an issue with it. I don't think Roan has done anything wrong, short of maybe get caught off guard, not expecting to have to answer that kind of question and keeping it short. I'm almost betting the interviewer shortened her actual response. I can't imagine her saying "both sides" without expressing what she meant by it. She's too politically aware and leftist to not know that would cause an issue.

[@RobertSpitzer]

The treatment of Chappell Roan has been pretty horrible as of late. Liberals who are not willing to vote for Kamala have been pretty clear as to why. It is up to her to court our votes.

[@AH-xs3hg]

No it's liberals who are shoving Kamala Harris down everyone else's throats. Those on the actual left can't stand her but we always get blamed for giving republicans votes if we refuse to vote for democrats. Liberals are cool with being called "left-leaning" because they define what that means according to republicans but they are not left.

[@M_M_ODonnell]

Leftists get it even worse than liberals. Even saying we'll be voting for Harris to avoid a worse outcome as a harm-reduction measure but acknowledging that she's way to our right and that we have some serious reservations about her policy positions attracts some pretty vicious "you're trying to get Trump elected because you hate everything" posturing.

[@miramuchachito296]

She's just unsufferable.

[@noritochip_97]

@@miramuchachito296 *insufferable

[@cyrussoxlegion]

Ever since I heard Femininomenon sang at karaoke by a really cool trans friend of mine, I instantly fell in love with Chappell Roan. She rocks. But she's not obligated to support any candidate. As much as we might want to let that lower her status in our eyes, we need to respect her decision.

[@B4K4xNi]

I... Think she could have articulated her point better. Not to say she deserves any of the harassment of course, and most of the people with hot takes seem to have not listened to her *at all*. I have nothing but sympathy for her, she's still really young and she rose to an unheard of level of fame so quickly, I don't think she realizes the influence she has. I worry about the effect this is going to have on young people as a voting block. To some extent it doesn't matter what she intended to say, millions of people heard what she said and thought she meant "both sides are bad, do 't vote for either side". Which is a really detrimental message given her audience of mostly young and queer people. I don't think she realizes yet she has the ability to really change people's minds and make them question if voting for Harris is the right thing to do at all. I know what she was trying to say was that having to vote for self-preservation sucks and she doesn't want to act enthusiastic about a choice she doesn't like, but I'm kind of worried a lot of you g queer people are going to take that as 'do not vote defensively and that will fix the problem'. Because it won't. I don't like getting up extra early to do my morning stretches, but I do them, because I know failing to perform basic matence on my body will make me feel bad all day, and I won't have the energy to do the things that are important to me. Voting is a lot like that.

[@charlietarantola3570]

I love my Republican family (and an older friend who I’ve known since before I came out) I just choose not to talk to them about politics unless I am in a space to. It’s fairly common for queer folks from the south.

[@noritochip_97]

There are queer people with families?

[@charlietarantola3570]

@@noritochip_97 you mean the two cousins I’m speaking to? The uncle who I will actively have to hide my trans to be around then yes. And my partner hasn’t lost any family when he came out. Me? I lost 90% of them.

[@noritochip_97]

@@charlietarantola3570 I was disowned by my whole family... sorry for being genuinely surprised some of y'all still have people.