What if AI debated THE TRINITY?

[@JonOleksiuk]

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[@antonsanmartin864]

@JonOleksiuk the "criteria/training" is not sufficient in the least for a debate of this kind. The Chalager did and embarrassingly bad job and did not use any of the strongest verses and reasonings out there to debunk trinitarian ideology as coming from scripture, the Bible.

[@GabrielMillen]

A closed vs open future would be super cool basically open theism verse everyone else

[@roanwest5677]

Question, how would one go about making their own A.I. debates like this for fun?

[@christophersari6368]

Pls consider this on your next topics; Is Universal Salvation true? Is Hell true? Is eternal punishment true? Is The Roman Catholic founded by Jesus Christ himself? Your subscriber from the Philippines,watching every single add. Tnx.

[@AdamsTaiwan]

@@christophersari6368 No, yes, yes, no.

[@ryandaly9093]

These videos are criminally underrated, keep it up!

[@JonOleksiuk]

well that's nice to hear... appreciated :)

[@iiSudeep]

​@@JonOleksiukyou're rly underrated

[@sabinegiannamore8711]

Absolutely agree. Good stuff!

[@charitysimon-peraboh5555]

Honestly I have learned so much already

[@auchnleckmakhina8821]

​@@JonOleksiukwhy are you scared to do is Muhammad a prophet. Christian vs Muslim ai

[@felixalvi1920]

Imagine telling God about how His existence doesn’t follow the limited knowledge and understanding of his own creation‘s logical laws.

[@djmaydraws3862]

If we couldn’t trust some laws of logic to explain Him then there’s no point in sending the Bible, which relies on words with set meanings that are grounded in logic. This is why new language borrowed from Greek philosophy or total redefining of words (e.g. “firstborn”, “begotten”) is essential to proving the trinity. No, God doesn’t have to stick to any logic, but He himself used words to explain who He is, and so HE himself set the precedent for viewing his identity with logic

[@Yassine3333222222]

If we cannot use logic, that means we would never know which one is the true religion. That's why the logical definition of God is mandatory for a true religion, which removes Christianity from the list of possible true religions.

[@djmaydraws3862]

@@Yassine3333222222 trinitarian christianity. There are other christologies that preserve monotheism

[@Yassine3333222222]

@@djmaydraws3862 Yes, sure, Unitarian Christianity has a higher chance to be a true religion. But it has other logical problems with the forgiveness of sins. It becomes not a religion but a faith.

[@Hokua888]

Amen.

[@pois3d]

This is great! You should do a debate for Catholics vs Protestant vs Orthodox! That would be awesome.

[@nathanpugh7198]

Factsss

[@hamkam1627]

finna cause a civil war

[@jpraise6771]

hear ye! hear ye! oh ye sons and daughters of God, for the Lord God is Alive, not dead! Most holy and righteous, most honorable and faithful. Return to him and receive a peace incomparable on earth!

[@cjfoo1128]

No, you should not be debating denominations. The body of Christ needs to be one.

[@nkperedivine8232]

No We're all Christians No need for the debate We should focus on what Unite us than what divides us

[@howardparkes8787]

I love the trinity and this is awesome! But could you try to have with a bit more of a formal debate structure, with opening statements from both sides? It would help with the balance instead of the challenger immediately doing a rebuttal to the defender.

[@JonOleksiuk]

good idea. thanks for the note.

[@lbjay8914]

@@JonOleksiuk Yes, I second that. These videos are GOLD!

[@JudeOne3Four]

The trinity (concept of 3 in 1) is an ancient occult concept which the Catholic Church adopted from the mystery schools. The RCC is nothing more than the continuation of the mystery religions. That is why their trinity diagram is in a triangle. It is called the Supernal Triad or the Triangle of Divinity. Catholics have turned *the Active Principle* into the Father, *the Passive Principle* in to the Holy Spirit and *the Product* into the Son. And voilà, you got the Trinity doctrine. Now all they had to do is corrupt the Scriptures and the world will worship the wrong god!!! Books were already written to expose the conspiracy: *The Causes of the Corruption of the Traditional Text of the Holy Gospels.* by John William Burgon *The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture.* by Bart Ehrman *The Great Ecclesiastical Conspiracy:* By George Davis and Michael Clark. *Rebooting the Bible: Exposing the Second Century Conspiracy to Corrupt the Scripture and Alter Biblical Chronology* by S Douglas

[@peapod5629]

​@@JonOleksiukYou could similar attempt different debating formats, maybe emulating some debating competitions such as the British Parliamentry or WSDC format.

[@flashgordon6670]

This debate is rigged, the Challenger gave far better arguments. You’re obviously a Trinitarian who believes in your Pagan Frankengod Hydra Head. Good luck on Judgement day, you’re going to need it. The Trinity was non biblical in origin. Watch Egyptian Secrets at the Vatican, by Curtis Ryan Woodside, if you don’t believe me.

[@HuntShowdownLab]

I love that you included the verses on screen to assist the discussion.

[@jeavoirichards9379]

I'm not gonna lie. Even as a Christian, I'm flabbergasted at the scores the challenger got. I really thought they were good questions since they come into my mind at time to time. The scoring is weird (to me at least) but the arguments still remain interesting. Edit: I'm a bit disappointed that the defender didn't use old testament passages to help support her arguments. (If it was only NT this debate focused on, i missed that piece of info). Prophesies like from Isaiah calls the Son of Man, Immanuel, which means God with us. Also the passage (I don't recall it) where we read the Father speaking to Son glorifying Him like Himself.

[@DARK0717]

true. the challenger arguements are very sound, yet the AIs gave lower scores. It seems the AIs are either biased by the user OR are biased by their training data and that "majority wins" is favored, like because trinitarianism is the majority.

[@CommonSenseChristianityT]

@@DARK0717 I think it was really biased against the challenger. This way the video maker can have much more support and a greater likelihood that Trinitarians will recommend his video to others, resulting in more views

[@daveyofyeshua]

God is a title not a name, Moses was made as God to pharaoh and satan is the god of this world. Jesus is God however he is not Almighty God YHWH or co equal Hebrews 1-9 shows Jesus has a God above him

[@jeavoirichards9379]

@@daveyofyeshuaI never said God was a name in my reply. I said Isaiah gives Jesus the name 'Immanuel' which means God with us. Just like how the name Michael means, who is like God. Also, Jesus is Almighty God. He calls Himself, I Am. You were given the verse in this video. Furthermore, what you implied about Jesus being God, not Almighty God would be introducing a second God to the Scriptures. However, this is not what the Trinity, nor strict monotheism teaches. Edit: Regarding Hebrews: This book doesn't talk about Jesus having a God higher than Him. If you are referring to how He acts as mediator between man and God, you would have to first recall/understand what the Trinity doctrine teaches. The person of Jesus is both fully God and fully Man. This is why He calls Himself both the Son of God and son of man while on earth. The book also highlights the unique relationship between God the Father and God the Son. Jesus is able to act as mediator because He is man through his human nature. Prior to Christ, the High Priest selected among Israel would be the mediator for the people. The mediator is always a human and must always be pure when presenting Himself to God. Jesus being sinless, doesn't need to be purified and thus can act the Lamb of God and the High Priest/Mediator of humanity.

[@daveyofyeshua]

@@jeavoirichards9379 I never said you said God was a name, I was presenting the fact that the term God is a title. Let's take a look at Hebrews 1-9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, *your God* has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. Jesus has a God above him. John 20-17 Jesus own words confirms this. Jesus said unto her, “Touch Me not, for I am not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say unto them, ‘I ascend unto My Father and your Father, and to *My God* and your God.’”

[@MattigityIsBombigity]

I can guarantee Sam Shamoun could best these AI. Edit: Wow, look what I started in the comments lol. I stand by what I said, Sam Shamoun is very much a warrior of Christ and impressively understands scripture, OT & NT. Edit (11/27/24): still going?

[@Theos_thinker]

Yes, well most Christians informed on this topic are familiar with the objections to Trinitarian theology and would be knowledgeable in Scriptural and philosophical reasons for belief in the Trinity. I think, Sam, like many other philosophers, scholars, theologians, and even laymen, could most definitely hold his ground against AI. However, the AI would definitely be more quick in giving sources, referencing scripture, and analyzing other data. While AI is impressive, it still makes mistakes. I for one, enjoy having conversations with AI about Theology, Philosophy, and Biblical Studies, so I’ve seen Ai mess up before. With all this in mind, I think Sam having a discussion or debate with an Ai would make a very entertaining video.

[@smooth2477]

I doubt it

[@CommonSenseChristianityT]

Wrong. Sam can’t even answer the basic questions regarding the trinity as far as pointing to a single person in the Bible trying to teach, preach or try to make the case for a three person God. I have several vids of him on my channel. He makes it all up

[@kingbaileythe3rd166]

😂😂😂😂😂​@@CommonSenseChristianityT

[@daveyofyeshua]

Sam kicked me off a live chat a couple months ago as he couldn't present Christ being co equal from scripture

[@tonyvasquez5655]

I wish that you had 100’s of videos. These are awesome. Please continue making these

[@JonOleksiuk]

one more hopefully coming out tomorrow. thanks for the encouragement! have a good night.

[@jpraise6771]

hear ye! hear ye! oh ye sons and daughters of God, for the Lord God is Alive, not dead! Most holy and righteous, most honorable and faithful. Return to him and receive a peace incomparable on earth!

[@The_Merchant_Of_Cat]

The human biases that are programmed into the AI are the human emotions of the programmers.

[@nnamdiubbaonu4381]

Not even just that. you can tell the AI's use the first 10 arguments they see on google, instead of thoroughly analyzing scripture and the historical context, and actually coming up with arguments themselves, objectively.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@clarksmith494ya come up with an excuse for everything that challenges you 😂 What about these AI was not objective?

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@nnamdiubbaonu4381so which one is it? Is it bias or is it analyzing google searches. Can’t be both

[@nnamdiubbaonu4381]

@@ceelothatmane9421 Yes it can lol. Looking at the most popular arguments/ first arguments it sees on google is certainly bias. If it were objective it would be coming up with its own arguments based on the text alone

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@nnamdiubbaonu4381 only if it wasn’t trained on being a google search. You’re actually assuming these responses are from google but there’s no basis for tgat

[@Mango58900]

your vids popped up are the best part of any morning! imagine where AI will be in 5-10 more years... we are in for such a great future!

[@gowsif_dnb]

@@Mango58900 AI will certainly be much more advanced in 5-10 years. I'm not sure how great that future will be, personally. We see how much people lean on devices now. Imagine when you can export 90% of your daily life to an AI assistant. That coupled with biodigital systems, zero trust architecture, and endless algorithms and you have a recipe for essentially mass mind control.

[@Mango58900]

@@gowsif_dnb Personally I think more advanced AI is the only thing that happens for us to see some of the biggest breakthroughs we have ever seen in human history. AI has the potential and will likely lead to incredible medical breakthroughs such as curing cancer and other debilitating diseases, understanding space and consciousness, and leading to more automation in our economies. I am not concerned with the growing pains associated with these advances. People will lose jobs, and perhaps some self of their independence. But this is inevitable and ultimately necessary for the progression of our world from the modern age into the ages of the futures.

[@gowsif_dnb]

@@Mango58900 I agree that these things are necessary to "progress" to futurism and posthumanism. I just don't see that move as ultimately being progress. This philosophy of techno optimism and convergence lacks ethics. That's why it will ultimately fail.

[@Mango58900]

@@gowsif_dnb All things eventually fail. so for me, I think think the advancements in tech will benefit us for a long time, and in that time, we will try out best to put in the systems and safeguards to try and prevent its inevitable downfall as long as we can. the world is already headed to the same place either way (ultimately to being a void planet once again, or smashed into 1million pieces), we might as well benefit from the tech and progress ourselves as much as we can through that process.

[@gowsif_dnb]

@@Mango58900 and therein lies the root of our disparate views on the subject. It ultimately boils down to a difference in world view.

[@kevinclint7588]

ONE GOD ,………THREE PERSONS,……….GOD THE FATHER,………GOD THE SON,……….AND GOD THE HOLY GHOST,………AMEN TO THAT ❤

[@JoshD8705]

You can't find God the Son in scripture. Jesus in spirit is the eternal Father, and in flesh the begotten Son. There's 1 God Jesus.

[@toxicelmo7306]

​@@JoshD8705hello, Matthew 28:19-20 New King James Version (NKJV). I do like that view though. It's made me give more thought as a new believer. The last sentence that is

[@toxicelmo7306]

​@@JoshD8705you find the son spoken of in the chapter I listed

[@JoshD8705]

@toxicelmo7306 yes son of God never God the Son. Jesus is the entire Godhead

[@stevenduncan3260]

​@@JoshD8705 your wrong

[@Keener45]

I know this might be out of topic with past few videos you have done about religion, god, and trinity. But I think it would be very eye opening to go for some other topics like gun laws, political parties, abortion, presidents, and much more. Also thank you for what your doing btw. its amazing content and definitely a new thing people need to be looking forward too.

[@justinyork408]

I've watched a couple of these and whether intentional or not, these AIs seem to have a heavy bias to Christianity despite the Atheist/Challenger making very logical and valid points. I'm not Atheist, but the challenger was making substantially better points, in my opinion, yet somehow kept losing. The grading made no sense.

[@hmung5299]

The issue is that they get disproven by the other AI. Yeah, there was a good point. Until it was disproven with a better argument against it. And the AIs are grading it based off that.

[@jessicamcelroy7879]

I don’t believe the challenger AI is ment to be from an atheist perspective, but just anti-trinitarian specifically so that might be why it feels off for you.

[@justinyork408]

​@hmung5299 i don't think they disproved the challengers points honestly. I'd have to rewatch it to give examples, but from what I recall, neither of them disproved the other. They both just posed good points. It seemed more of a philosophical debate than a factual one. But like I said, in my opinion, I think the points made were substantially better from the challenger perspective rather than the Christian one. It seemed to me that the majority of them have an inherent bias towards Christianity because if they weren't, it doesn't make any sense why they'd choose the Christian arguments over the Atheist ones. I just remember the atheist ones generally made much more sense.

[@justinyork408]

​@@jessicamcelroy7879 either way, it just didn't make sense to me. It just felt like the AIs inherently favored Christianity over Atheism, which could definitely be the case.

[@ceilingfan12345]

I feel like the round one scores were mostly reasonable. The defender, I think, slightly edged out the challenger there. They both made good points, but the challenger seemed slightly more on the back foot on a few points. The round two scores were utterly laughable though. Challenger gets only 39 points by pointing out that the defense's argument directly contradicts itself, but defense gets 44 for basically saying "logic doesn't apply to us"? What?

[@cesarbojorquez9340]

I cheered out loud when i saw this uploaded

[@david-001]

Please, do a Protestant vs Catholic debate 🙏🏼😂

[@Uno_Floydd]

Protestant would get bodied. It comes from Catholicism.

[@TheOrthoSaxon]

What's the point of two heterodox "churches" arguing. It is surely better to have a heterodox church debate the one true holy Catholic and apostolic church, the eastern Orthodox church.

[@amigos2841]

No better to have a three way with the eastern orthodox too

[@Uno_Floydd]

a problem that I find is, you can be heretical by adding or disregarding certain traditions. We must be respectful to all denominations to have peace through faith. After all we all are Christians. I speak as a Catholic.

[@Wasteofenlightment104]

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[@RaphaelIke]

This debate for me proves one thing. The Trinity is a highly sophisticated concept beyond man's comprehension. The Unitarian concept is simple and comprehensible by all. Putting these two conclusions together, the Trinity actually adds to God's divinity rather than taking it away from it. God is not a Being Who is supposed to be comprehensible to finite beings. If we could even fit the metaphysical concept of God in our finite framework, would He be God? The Trinity seems to suggest that God exists as a transcendant Being which makes sense since He encompasses all existence and is therefore existence itself. A Unitarian "god" resembles his creation and doesn't seem transcendental at all. He is too much like us and nothing sets him apart from us in terms of his essence and nature.

[@CommonSenseChristianityT]

You sure made a lot of assumptions and errors in your comment To make it worse, Zero people in the gospel ever teaches, preaches or ever attempts to make the case of a three person God. Jesus and his apostles never once spoke of it. No endless amount of hints and riddles will ever change that. The trinity is a satanic deception 100%

[@RaphaelIke]

​@@CommonSenseChristianityT Hebrews 1:8-12 English Standard Version 8 But of the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom. 9 You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions.” 10 And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; 11 they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment, 12 like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed.[a] But you are the same, and your years will have no end.” Psalm 102:25-27 English Standard Version 25 Of old you laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. 26 They will perish, but you will remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will change them like a robe, and they will pass away, 27 but you are the same, and your years have no end. Psalm 45:6-7 English Standard Version 6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness; 7 you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore God, your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your companions; Isaiah 40:10 English Standard Version 10 Behold, the Lord God comes with might, and his arm rules for him; behold, his reward is with him, and his recompense before him. Daniel 7:13-14 English Standard Version The Son of Man Is Given Dominion 13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. 14 And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed. Mark 14:61-62 English Standard Version 61 But he remained silent and made no answer. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?” 62 And Jesus said, “I am, and you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.” Matthew 16:27-28 English Standard Version 27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” 2 Samuel 23:2-3 English Standard Version 2 “The Spirit of the Lord speaks by me; his word is on my tongue. 3 The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me: When one rules justly over men, ruling in the fear of God, 2 Peter 1:21 English Standard Version 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. You're welcome ✝✝✝

[@RaphaelIke]

@@CommonSenseChristianityT Just a few more: Isaiah 44:6-7 English Standard Version Besides Me There Is No God 6 Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god. 7 Who is like me? Let him proclaim it.[a] Let him declare and set it before me, since I appointed an ancient people. Let them declare what is to come, and what will happen. Isaiah 48:11-13 English Standard Version 11 For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name[a] be profaned? My glory I will not give to another. The Lord's Call to Israel 12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last. 13 My hand laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand spread out the heavens; when I call to them, they stand forth together. Revelation 1:7-18 English Standard Version 7 Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him, and all tribes of the earth will wail[a] on account of him. Even so. Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Vision of the Son of Man 9 I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus. 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet 11 saying, “Write what you see in a book and send it to the seven churches, to Ephesus and to Smyrna and to Pergamum and to Thyatira and to Sardis and to Philadelphia and to Laodicea.” 12 Then I turned to see the voice that was speaking to me, and on turning I saw seven golden lampstands, 13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire, 15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength. 17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, 18 and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades. God bless you!✝✝✝

[@Thunder-fz2ou]

@@RaphaelIkeYour highly sophisticated triune god sounds like the type of god that the samaritans worshipped. Jesus did say, “You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews.” Are you not testifying to these words by confessing a complex trinitarian god and a simpler unitarian God?

[@RaphaelIke]

@@Thunder-fz2ou Let's see if what you say holds water: John 4:22-23 English Standard Version 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. Where in this passage does Jesus question the trinitarian view of God? It almost seems as if you are imposing the view on this because Jesus seems to be referring to intimacy. In fact, you forgot to quote this: John 4:13-14 English Standard Version 13 Jesus said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again.[a] The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” What mere creature can give you eternal life? If Jesus, who is a distinct Person from the Father can give you eternal life, then it means He is co-equal to the Father in terms of His substance and His essence as He has the same power as the Father.

[@antonioreid534]

Is Jesus the prophesied messiah of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament)? That’s a good debate!

[@adams8467]

That would be amazing if he did that

[@sravasaksitam]

That debate would last 45 seconds. Every day I am increasingly bewildered by Christianity. Literally every one of their central doctrines is either false or nonsensical.

[@skilz8098]

@@sravasaksitam I can prove it with one single passage by a Psalm of David. Psalms 22. It is a complete foreshadowing and prophecy in exact detail of Yeshua's Suffering of his Crucifixion which are approximately a full millennium apart give or take a few years. If someone during the first crusades described exactly the events of the assassination of J.F.K. and the grassy knoll in fine detail with full recorded records of verifying proof, even that wouldn't do justice or compare to the prophetic text of Psalms 22 with respect to Yeshua's Crucifixion. And this is just a single reference.

[@sravasaksitam]

@@skilz8098 The Messiah rebuilds the Temple. Jesus didn't do that.

[@dewdropper1348]

Great suggestion!

[@ethanstevens1963]

At first I thought these videos were very profound but im suspicious now of the possible biases behind the setup of the ais.

[@Yipper64]

I dont think its intentional, but even the parts you *know* that the guy who made the video made the decisions on show a bias. The way that the one on the right is blue and a female voice, and the left is orange and a male voice, kind of sets up a bias of the audience from the outset, the way the characters are posed as well sets up body language that essentially makes the blue one look much more trustworthy than the orange one.

[@Amethyst.]

@@Yipper64yeah I can see that, I think he was just trying to create contrast but in the wrong way

[@peapod5629]

​@@Yipper64it was definitely just to create contrast

[@Yipper64]

@@peapod5629 yes but it shows an unintentional bias.

[@peapod5629]

@@Yipper64 well it's up to you as the consumer to rid yourself of the bias

[@RandallChase1]

These debates are really great!

[@nathanhaines1721]

They are not. Challenger dumb down

[@andrewagita901]

Some interesting topics. 1. Is there afterlife or reincarnation 2. Believes of multiple gods ( hinddhu, shinto, etc) vs single god ( christianity, islam) Non religion: 1. Is democracy better than communism (i would like to see it debate on the modern world application)Thanks!

[@JonOleksiuk]

thanks for the super thanks. much appreciated. i am looking at an afterlife/reincarnation debate... it's on the list!

[@markcubbedge6701]

I’m beginning to think that any topic will be a 50/50 toss up. Is there an example of one side of an argument winning decisively and not by a few points? Continue the good work though. A debate on the info without childish behavior is not only entertaining but enlightening. Great job!

[@King-kw1mo]

A one sided argument is the first cause argument… There is no denying that there was a first cause… otherwise we would never exist

[@flashgordon6670]

This debate is rigged, the Challenger gave far better arguments. You’re obviously a Trinitarian who believes in your Pagan Frankengod Hydra Head. Good luck on Judgement day, you’re going to need it. The Trinity was non biblical in origin. Watch Egyptian Secrets at the Vatican, by Curtis Ryan Woodside, if you don’t believe me.

[@RS_AFKing]

I love the format and I hop e you keep it up. These videos are seriously Underrated as IMO they take all the emotion out of the debate and its just facts. I love it. I'd personally like to see something like: Are we in a simulation, Life beyond our solar system, Who build the pyramids, Ancient Aliens or OMG Flat Earth.

[@Comment27560]

fun questions i like how both ais dont insult each other and keep it logical

[@RS_AFKing]

@@Comment27560 literally my favorite thing about these debates is the emotions gets removed.

[@staywoke8978]

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[@oussamamagar]

Chat says after reviewing evidence you have presented From an unbiased, evidence-based perspective: The Trinity appears to be a human-made doctrine developed centuries after Jesus' death. It lacks explicit biblical support and contradicts earlier monotheistic teachings. The reliance on philosophical constructs rather than scriptural clarity makes it questionable. Therefore, as a neutral judge, the Trinity doctrine does not align with the oneness of God as emphasized by Jesus, earlier prophets, and foundational scriptures. The authority to redefine divine teachings rests solely with God, and any deviation risks undermining the authenticity of faith.

[@shaddjimenez4524]

The Apostles were executed for what they said they have seen, and did not back down. Would all those people die for what they knew was a lie? They said Jesus is Lord, as they saw Jesus risen from the dead, and so they were willing to die not just for a belief, but what they said they saw. This is straight from Jesus: “Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” ‭‭John‬ ‭14‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

[@phillipA123]

I love the argument of why would the apostles be martyrs if they didn't truly believe in the things they claim to have witnessed!? It's logical and speaks to truth within each of us (namely that we wouldn't choose torture and brutal death if easily given the choice to just reject) The only problem(s) is that there are so many examples of martyrs spread throughout so many competing beliefs! Is it not possible that the actual cause for their death is hijacked by a religious movement? Even jesus death if taken as a historical fact rests more on his political rabble rousing (general civil disorder against authority) rather than any specific act of divine miracle... No roman prefect was executing a man believing he was divine and could perform miracles...instead they thought he was a problem and it's the followers years later that make sure to create a logical explanation in written works to justify and explain all of this through a spiritual lense.

[@MinecraftGuy07928]

@@phillipA123 The difference is that if Christ being God, dying on the cross, and resurrecting 3 days later was a lie, that lie would've started with the apostles. There's a difference between dying for a lie, and dying for something you KNOW is a lie. A Muslim jihadi who blows himself up as a "martyr" has no foundational knowledge of if his worldview is correct. The apostles on the other hand knew beyond a shadow of a doubt whether or not what they died for was the truth, because it all started from them.

[@elik.8113]

@@phillipA123while many have died for what they believed, the apostles died for what they claimed to have seen. It wasn’t belief, it was knowledge. Either they were lying or they saw Jesus risen

[@Ibrahim-1234]

Doesn't this make the assumption the AI would never hallucinate? I have done a lot of tests with the GPT4o AI, and found that it hallucinates a lot about religious scriptures and verses; especially when trying to make sense of things.

[@JonOleksiuk]

that's actually one of the reasons i don't use a single large language model on it's own. for these debates i include at least 3 models per side interacting with and correcting each other which tends to solve the hallucination problem. thanks for the note.

[@rebeccasantiago1]

These videos are fascinating to me. They present the arguments as I hear them in RL debates, but they are refined and articulated in a much more understandable and concise way. Interestingly enough, the challengers' arguments are made mainly by Muslim apologists who poorly present the LPT and have no answers to the defining essence of the trinity and its manifestation in scripture. Most of the time, the challengers in RL have to resort to conjecture that contradicts scripture in context or flat-out lies about what scripture says. This is an excellent tool for those who struggle to understand the Trinity. It presents both sides and explains how the Bible shows us God's essence and how he has chosen to reveal himself to us in scripture. God tells us from Genesis that Jesus needed to come to save his creation. Genesis 3:15

[@TheHeftyGod]

i can debunk the bible with simple views, how does it make sense for christianity to be monotheistic if the trinity implies three persons and god, it doesnt make any sense whatsoever, by the logic of the trinity implies hinduism is true which personally i highly disagree withal. Also points such as, “the trinity is true because we dont understand god and he is above our understandings” is false as thats just basically blindly believing in christianity and also statements such as “the bible is true because of jesus, and jesus is true because of the bible” also doesnt make sense as that is circular reasoning and i can also say that this fully debunks christianity

[@deanmartin1045]

Easily explained when I am at my home I am Dad, when I am at my brother's I am Uncle, and when I am at my parents I am Son! All three are me one person. To the living person Jesus is God, to the soul the Holy Spirit is God, to the angels and all in heaven the Father is God!

[@PKBillings]

Here are some more verses (most not used by the challenging AI unfortunately) that clearly show that the Trinity is a creedal, non-biblical, man-made doctrine: -Matthew 7:21, Jesus, while on earth, said His Father is in Heaven. -John 17:20-22, Jesus explains what it means to be "one". He prayed to the Father for all of us to be one in purpose just like He and the Father are one in purpose (not being). -Acts 7:55-56, God the Father and the resurrected Jesus Christ appear to the Apostle Stephen (who is filled with the Holy Ghost) as two distinct separate beings. -Matthew 3:16-17: God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit in three seperate locations when Jesus is baptized. -Matthew 26:39 The Father and the Son have separate wills. Jesus had to ensure His will was aligned with the Father's. -Hebrews 1:5: Jesus was begotten by His Father. -Matthew 22:44: The Father said Jesus would sit at His right hand until His enemies were made his footstool. -Matthew 24:36: Jesus told His disciples that only the Father knows the day or hour of Jesus's return. -John 14:28: Jesus said His father was greater than He was. -John 10:35-37: Jesus claims to be the Son of God. According to the creeds, if the Father and the Son are of the same essence or "substance" and we know Jesus currently has a glorified, resurrected body, wouldn't that mean God ALSO has a glorified, resurrected body? If the creeds are right and God does not have a physical body, then you must believe that either Jesus has shed His resurrected physical body to join back in with the unseeable, unembodied, triune essence. OR Jesus still has his resurrected body and He and the Father are either separate or unified, with either scenario contradicting the creeds. The early Jews and Christian's did not have a monotheistic belief system. There is much more evidence that they, just like the Mormons, practiced henotheism: the worship of a single, supreme god that does not deny the existence or possible existence of other deities that may be worshipped.

[@aero1754]

These are the same verses and arguments that you can find throughout every Christian apologists channel. Yall can go debate them about the trinity if u think the ai are wrong

[@matthewsocoollike]

Bro these bots are so biased. The LPT opening the man bot did so much better, she just gibberated and got a 44 💀

[@User-s7j5u]

You and your boss are humans but your boss pays you, not you paying your boss. But you both are still human. If you were paying your boss you would no longer be a worker but the boss. Their position is a necessity of the virtue of the objective reality.

[@mahino420]

The christian god has split personality disorder, 3 personalities 1 god​@@User-s7j5u

[@TheHeftyGod]

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[@TheHeftyGod]

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[@quandangledingle9317]

​@@TheHeftyGod i think he's implying some sort of analogy here...

[@Jbandzthegoat]

I’m non-trinitarian(Unitarian) but this was really interesting

[@Christ1sKing10]

I do believe in the trinity but I would love to hear why you don’t believe 😊

[@Jbandzthegoat]

@Christ1sKing10 I think that scripture proves that Jesus Christ is the son of God but not God himself. I think the title God should be reserved to the Father alone. I believe that Scriptures like 1 Corinthians 8:6, 1 Timothy 2:5, Mark 13:32, Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 10:18, etc prove Jesus or the Holy Spirit isn’t God but only the Father is.

[@arthurels5832]

@Jbandzthegoateven though Jesus is clearly given all the attributes of ‘God’. Is given worship, is called God, can do what only ‘God’ can do, etc etc

[@Jbandzthegoat]

@@arthurels5832 the Jewish principle of agency is described as a principle that is based on the Talmudic statement: “A person’s agent is like the person himself” (Kiddushin 41b). It also states that the "sender" is always considered greater than the "agent" they send.

[@micheeluzayisu3048]

Isaiah 9:6: “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace”

[@AstariahJW]

Future tense

[@RyanTaylorMedia]

This is the best debate on the Trinity I’ve seen. I hate that AI is taking over because I feel like we’re losing some aspect of our humanity and reliance on our own critical thinking skills, but at the same time I love using AI so much because of the speed and precision and consolidation of loads of information into a clear presentation. Anyways this video is awesome. Keep it up!

[@JonOleksiuk]

i'm just as conflicted programming these debates, but i find it refreshing to hear both sides convey their arguments so clearly (well, as clear as they can at this moment). thanks for the note and consider subscribing, more videos on the way :)

[@jacobsamuelson3181]

23:50 The AI defender has repeated itself three times using different areas of study as support as if it has no better argument but getting a better score each time. This debate is sourced from online material with trinitarian view being the popular view but not the logical one. The scoring is obviously skewed to online presence and popularity to their materials.

[@Dely_Streams]

Well no one in all the time this question has existed has not presented better logic for the challenger to use.. out of all the science that could be referenced .. perhaps you can provide the logic needed.. science only reveals the God's hand over creation..

[@marcuschristian763]

Christ is KING

[@studentone2383]

nonsense

[@rafaelayala5660]

Amen 🙏 ❤

[@SubtleEncounters]

@@studentone2383so are you as a human nonsense?

[@christophersari6368]

Pls consider this in your next topics. Is Universal Salvation true? Is Hell true? Is Eternal Conscious Torment true? Is Roman Catholic founded by Jesus Christ himself? Your Subscriber from the Philippines watching ads on your videos.tnx God bless us all.

[@KingNoor2007]

Hellfire isn’t true. Jesus always preached in parables. The Lake of Fire in Revelation is also symbolic.

[@quandangledingle9317]

​​@@KingNoor2007but that doesn't necessarily mean that "hell" doesn't exist right? It's some sort of "a place where your worst nightmares exists" in a sense I think that jesus implying that there is "hellfire" is just him making himself understandable to the audience that "hell" isn't a place of paradise and joy, but rather of eternal suffering.

[@KingNoor2007]

@@quandangledingle9317 But Hell isn’t a place of suffering it is just death. Also study Universalism it’s true.

[@Steelblaidd]

This is a fascinating tool and I would love to see a video on how you go about setting up the system to run so it can be tried out with different formulations of the question and to check what sources the models are and are not drawing on. For example the work of Dr. Michael Heiser on how the word "elohim' is used in the Old Testament seems like it would have been useful for the arguments made by the Challenger but it did not seem aware of them.

[@sedickisaacs8464]

You can trick AI by the way you ask your questions in one video they say one thing and on another video say something else so this can become a scam

[@LucifersTear]

Love these videos ❤️👌

[@JonOleksiuk]

thank you!

[@theoe354]

Based AI absolutely destroys cringe heretical AI with facts and logic.

[@Comment27560]

wdym? no one here called each other "cringe" this was a great discussion where both the ais made good points , just watch the video for once

[@theoe354]

@@Comment27560 i did. how do you think i know the right side won? and it *was* a great discussion because the heresy was crushed in the face of truth.

[@urknall2010]

@@theoe354 Why do you call it heresy? Is it not okay to have different opinions on what the Bible means? What does being a heretic mean to you? Is it a bad thing? Does it have consequences? I don't like the self righteoussnes that many Christians have and their claim to moral and theological superiority, not only rubbing it into ones face but going further to claim that people not believing in one or the other doctrine aren't Christians or even worse, saying they're serving Satan. I think it is neither correct nor just to do so. I hope you consider this. Of course there are things where you can objectively say that if somebody does not believe them they're not really Christian, even though they call themselves one. For example I think that believing that Jesus is the son of God is required to be considered Christian.

[@Korok-Protector]

@@theoe354 yeah calling Jesus God is heresy, I agree

[@gadgetfreak3885]

The God is AlMighty and of course did not die. Jesus died, so Jesus is not God. as simple as that (khaby lame pose)

[@mranderson1635]

What I heard was: - trinity doesn’t make sense to the human mind - can’t explain gods nature using human logic - trinity based off of Greek mythology I came here hoping to find more clarity on the trinity and now I’m pushed even more away. And how the heck did that AI win lol? Her arguments literary could not be explained!

[@the_cursed_cat]

I feel like the AI criteria are biased tbh

[@gmby64p]

Preacher here...Perhaps I can help some, albeit only in a limited way. There's a fundamental difficulty in discussing these things because most probably, the situation is more nuanced than we are given to understand... this is because the information we are given is "enough" for us, without "needing" more. A good example of this is Gods chastisement of Job for his presumption of understanding in the latter chapters of the book. Job 38 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹ Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said: ² "Who is this who darkens counsel By words without knowledge? ³ Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me. ⁴ "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. ⁵ Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? ⁶ To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, ⁷ When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? It is not given to us that, while we remain mortal and fixed upon this earth, that we understand everything... for if we did, there would be no need for faith("The substance of things hoped for, evidence of things not seen.") But in the everafter we will have more understanding. Thus Job responds: Job 42 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ² "I know that You can do everything, And that no purpose of Yours can be withheld from You. ³ You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' Therefore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wonderful for me, which I did not know. ⁴ Listen, please, and let me speak; You said, 'I will question you, and you shall answer Me.' ⁵ "I have heard of You by the hearing of the ear, But now my eye sees You. ⁶ Therefore I abhor myself, And repent in dust and ashes." God is a being of mind, body, and spirit, as human beings are. Yet how difficult that concept is to grasp, even within ourselves. All three of The Godhead are clearly stated in creation: Jesus is "The Word of God", "The Body of God", and perhaps can be viewed as the "action" of God. The Spirit of God, and God are also presented in the beginning. Gen 1 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹ In the beginning (אלהים) created the heavens and the earth. ² The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of (אלהים) was hovering over the face of the waters. ³ Then (אלהים) said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. Now what is that word? Strongs number: H430 Hebrew: אֱלֹהִים Transliteration: ʼĕlôhîym Pronunciation: el-o-heem' ---------- Description: plural of אֱלוֹהַּ(H433); gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative; angels, [idiom] exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), [idiom] (very) great, judges, [idiom] mighty. Ok so Gods... plural. Specifically the plural of: H433 Hebrew: אֱלוֹהַּ Transliteration: ʼĕlôwahh Pronunciation: el-o'-ah ---------- Description: rarely (shortened) אֱלֹהַּ; probably prolonged (emphatic) from אֵל(H410); a deity or the Deity; God, god. This plurality is maintained in the Genesis account of creation. 'Then (אלהים)(Gods) said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness' - Gen 1:26 (NKJV) All 3 took part in creation. However the bible is adamant in the "oneness" of God. There's many many many examples. No matter how you slice it, the relationship between God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son is nuanced. This isn't a bad thing. The bible is extremely nuanced on purpose. The nuance facilitates discussion and contemplation, even when people argue over the nuance. Not all of the nuance is worth arguing over. Mat 22 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ³⁶ "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" ³⁷ Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' ³⁸ This is the first and great commandment. ³⁹ And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' ⁴⁰ On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." John 14 (NKJV) ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ ¹² "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. ¹³ And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. ¹⁴ If you ask anything in My name, I will do it. ¹⁵ "If you love Me, keep My commandments. ¹⁶ And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- ¹⁷ the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. ¹⁸ I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you. ¹⁹ "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also. ²⁰ At that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. I hope this helps! Let me know if you have further questions!!

[@cyraps]

They are biased bro ..every argument or debate tht challenges the bible and Christianity here wins and I've noticed tht .. I cane here looking for insights but I was disappointed..it's all biased ..the Blue AI almost always wins with little or less evidence its just words tht have no context .. it offers little to no evidence besides whts found in the bible and it sometimes repeats the same thing but in other words

[@bluexshadw5502]

I do not really watch these for answers, but more or less to think on the topics but if you truly do not know. Pray on the topic or meditate your belief is up to you.

[@gracycharislaughs]

watch other videos for answers and study the bible , Trinity is lord

[@flashgordon6670]

The Trinity was non biblical in origin. Watch Egyptian Secrets at the Vatican, by Curtis Ryan Woodside, if you don’t believe me.

[@Enochian_yeshuaite]

For the first round, I found myself a little frustrated because, for the believers side of the fence, they failed to bring up the Old Testament as justification to the multipursonal nature of God being reflected in the New Testament. there are multiple single verses and entire passages that all throughout the first 5 books, raise the question. This would have taken the denial of the multi personal aspect of God and cut it off at the knees. Is in genesis ch 16:10-13.. In this passage, the biblical authors directly associate the angel of the Lord with the title "the name of the Lord" Genesis 19:24... You have the divine personal name of God twice in the same verse, yet differentiated from each other... "The Lord rain down on sodom and gomorrah fire and brimstone from the Lord out of heaven" .. In Genesis, 48:16... Old man Jacob is blessing his grandsons.. He asks an angel to bless the boys instead of God... From a Unitarian perspective, this presents a problem. .. Exodus, 3:2 through 6. How many are in the burning of the Bush?The biblical authors use different titles in reference to God's personal name and in reference to the angel in the same passage interchangeably without an explanation for the differential. In Exodus, 23-20 and 21. God thru moses tells the Israelites that he's going to send an angel. To host them crossing. The jordan They are told not to be a nuisance to this. Angel for the angel will not pardon their sins because God says the angel is going to have his "name." ... So it would seem from this passage that God himself affirms what the biblical authors affirm in Genesis 16 of the angel having his name. Exodus, 34:5 and 6... How does the Lord proclaim "the name of the Lord"? Again, the personal name of God is used twice in the same consecutive verses, yet there is no explanation by the biblical authors for the deferential. There are many other examples, but we just addressed the first 2 books of the Bible, not even the whole Torah, not even the rest of the Old Testament... God's nature as multi. Pursonal indeed has a basis from the earliest references in the Old Testament... And that's enough to take the legs out from the Unitarian position. When it comes to the New Testament interpretations... Because. It leads to implications that simply cannot be answered from that side of the fence..

[@dnahotep]

The programmer may not be aware but I think that the orange AI is being asked to fight with one proverbial hand tied behind its back. Its task it to somehow prove a negative and the blue AI simply has to assert what it has been programmed to be true. For this reason, it speaks very definitively and with certainty about the subject. The orange AI is clearly making the stronger points, but has to frame their statements as possibilities because they are ACTUALLY being logically consistent. This leaves the blue AI spamming the deflect button. All they have to do is assert that the orange AI's interpretation is flawed. The next move is simply to regurgitate what they have been programmed. "This IS" will always be a stronger statement than "This ISN'T LIKELY". To paraphrase Sam Harris, what logical argument can organe AI make if logical argumentation isn't valued in disproving something that doesn't exist?

[@DJ-DJAS]

Perfect analysis 💯🙏🏾

[@T.Gundham]

I don't think an AI judge is dumb enough to not realize that. A human not experienced with debate might fall for said trap but an AI? No. Plus the challenger doesn't necessarily have to just shoot down the defenders points. It can also bring up sources which directly contradict the defender's stance and it did, multiple times. I do think the challenger was at a disadvantage, but not for the reasons you bring up.

[@THISWEEKINHUMANdotcom]

Well said, dnahoptep. The other observation from this view is that the vergiage used in the teachings of the Trinity, the Nicean Creed, and the word "trinity" was not used until Tertullian over two centuries into game. If you make a rule that requires only the Bible to be the source. I did this myself, and the arguments for the trinity we pretty much shown to be illogical, unreasonable. Let's look at the reality of the tree and its fruit. I have issues with a doctrine that requires the sword and stake to coerce the acceptance of a teaching that was not widely accpeted, can only be traced back to the second to mid second century AD. I do not read in Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic, I read in English and have an English bible. Now either the translators are all in error, or we are in reality reading into scripture was just isn't there. Jesus was not a trinitarian, neither were the apostles. This was not even on their radar, never preached it, and the word "trinity" comes from its first appearance with Tertullian. Jesus' language could be more clear when he said “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17) And Paul made it clear when he said “For HE (the Father) HAS PUT ALL THINGS IN SUBJECTION UNDER HIS (Christ's) FEET. But when He says, "All things have been put in subjection [under Christ]," it is clear that He (the Father) who put all things in subjection to Him (Christ) is excepted [since the Father is not in subjection to His own Son]. [Psa 8:6] However, when all things are subjected to Him (Christ), then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One (the Father) who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all [manifesting His glory without any opposition, the supreme indwelling and controlling factor of life].” (1 Corinthians 15:27-28) Summary. Jesus told us who the one true God is, the Father (John 17:3). Jesus stated that his Father is our Father, and his God is our God (John 20:17), and Apostle Paul stated that Jesus, when all I put under his feet, will give up the Kingdom back to the Father, and will be subject to the Father so the Father may be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:27-28). Jesus is the son of God, he is not God the son. The one true God, our heavenly Father, sent Jesus the Messiah, gave Jesus all authority in heaven and earth to give life to whom the Father has given him, and is our Lord and King. How can you be given what you already posses?

[@tlothompson6935]

@@THISWEEKINHUMANdotcom Very well said. Surprisingly, I am having this argument in another thread and your points and evidence are very valid and helpful. Tertullian even wrote that a majority of believers did not think they were the same at his time of writing. I think the fact that the challenger AI even came up with a few verses that show they weren't the same is enough for me.

[@ceelothatmane9421]

@@T.Gundhamhow was the challenger at a disadvantage?

[@tombuddy100]

Can Trinitarians answer these three questions? 1. Is there a single verse in the Bible that clarifies that God is more than just one person, or three persons? 2. Why are almost all references to God in the Bible in either first person singular, second person singular, or third person singular? 3. Why was Jesus saying that his Father is the only true God, and that the Father is greater than all?

[@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA]

1. No one verse simply says, "God is three persons", but it is the conclusion you arrive at when you decide to read more than one. Matthew 3:16-17 (refutes modalism), John 8:58 (Jesus is God), Acts 5:1-4 (Holy Spirit is God). 2. Because there is only one God. Each hypostasis (member of the trinity) is fully the very same God. The Father is the same God as the Son, but not the same person. The hypostases also share the same will. 3. Because the Father is the only true God and God is greater than all, so is Jesus. It doesn't contradict the trinity.

[@tombuddy100]

@@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA Why does no one in the Bible worship the Holy Spirit, or talk to the Holy Spirit, if the Holy Spirit is person? Not even the Son did that. Why does Christ throughout the Gospels urge us to worship the Father and to pray to the Father? Why does Christ say (in John) that God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth, when according the Trinity doctrine, God is, or was at time, human (Jesus Christ)?

[@tombuddy100]

@@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA You wrote the Father and the Son share the same will. Why did Jesus say "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done." Luke 22:42?

[@tombuddy100]

1 Corinthians 15 24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. ... 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. Why is the Son subject to the Father?

[@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA]

@@tombuddy100 1. Because the different persons have different roles. The role of the Holy Spirit is to teach about the Son. In the same way you might only know your teacher's name despite having been taught for years by them, the Holy Spirit's job is not to tell you about Himself but the Son. 2. John 5:22-23, Christ demands equal worship with the Father. 3. Because the Father is a spirit, the Holy Spirit is a spirit, and before taking on human nature, Christ was a spirit also.

[@nftcryptodev]

There is no holy trinity. God is one, the Bible say it over and over. God is ONE. Think about it. They told the Ai the word trinity and triune etc... If you use the Bible alone the Ai will never create or mention a trinity. lies, all lies... GOD IS ONE...

[@ZoneTelevision]

All the doctrinal ports of "3 in 1" came more than 100 years after the Crucifixion / Resurrection and not before. Jesus never established an "organized" or institutional religion. The "trinity" was actually a doctrinal play to appease the pagans borring from Baylon (Nimrod, Semeramus & Tamuz) and Egypt" (Isis, Osiris and Horus)

[@nftcryptodev]

@@ZoneTelevision GOD IS ONE for certain!

[@ngdavid3925]

The visions of the O.T. prophets and N.T. apostles reveal that only ONE PERSON sits on the most high and everlasting throne.

[@dokodokBG]

Trinity doesn't mean 3 Gods, genius.

[@dokodokBG]

@@ZoneTelevision Nice try atheist.

[@matthewmonroe4450]

Ok this is a great video. but a key flaw is from the beginning the challenger was basing his arguments on possibility’s and probability’s. And the defender was only using facts that why I’m not sure why the challenger got so many points.and you know he was doing this because he kept using could have been. And other terms like that

[@oussamamagar]

i asked Chat to review all the evidence you put for the trinity and this is its verdict as an unbiased judge Conclusion: Do I Accept the Trinity? From an unbiased, evidence-based perspective: The Trinity appears to be a human-made doctrine developed centuries after Jesus' death. It lacks explicit biblical support and contradicts earlier monotheistic teachings. The reliance on philosophical constructs rather than scriptural clarity makes it questionable. Therefore, as a neutral judge, the Trinity doctrine does not align with the oneness of God as emphasized by Jesus, earlier prophets, and foundational scriptures. The authority to redefine divine teachings rests solely with God, and any deviation risks undermining the authenticity of faith.

[@markcubbedge6701]

How come the blue one always gets higher scores? Sometimes the orange one makes excellent points but gets a low score.

[@djmaydraws3862]

I was surprised to see how low the other side was getting, considering I’ve had the same debate with one of the same judge AI he was using (Meta Llama) and it was quick to accept a more Unitarian view over a trinitarian one. Seemed iffy. The challenging side made very good points that still didn’t seem directly answered or addressed

[@The7thChanel]

not true, the red one somtimes have very good points

[@MasterMegi]

Cause this channel obviously has a christian bias

[@RogerZerne]

Although I am a trinitarian, I agree I find the ratings sometime confusing, It would be nice to see the break down of each AI and how they rated each point differently on each of the rounds.

[@markcubbedge6701]

I mean even beyond this video. The blue one always wins by a similar margin.

[@JackChan-xyz]

I find this channel biased. In one video "Atheist Vs Believer" - Believer wins, in "Muslim vs Christian" - Christian wins, "1 vs 3" - 3 wins. Fun fact is that after watching one video I was able to guess every other result quite easily. It seems like some catholic priest is pretending to be the AI judge😆

[@jmaiatrader2925]

In this video if you look very close you will notice the blue defender is a girl figure and the judges are male figures. It is obvious they are trying to get laid and that's why she won!

[@JackChan-xyz]

@user-yj3jt4sj7b when Bible stops contradicting itself and fixes all of its scientific flaws, maybe then.

[@JackChan-xyz]

@user-yj3jt4sj7b Have you ever thought that it could be the case. And you might have been misled? Because I think about it a lot, all the time. Religion is a culture of faith, Science is a culture of doubt. -Richard Feynman

[@BlueLatios]

@user-yj3jt4sj7b Same goes for you?

[@Low_Karma]

@@JackChan-xyztwo things what science is in the Bible is contradictory if you are talking about Genesis that’s Hebrew poetry. Also what do you think faith is? Do you believe faith is just closing your eyes and believing no. Any time you believe something but can’t not prove it you have faith. Yes that faith can be blind or it can be backed upon solid evidence. It’s like you cannot prove that your pharmacist won’t kill you by giving you the wrong medicine. The evidence though is that they are trustworthy. I cannot prove that you are human and not ai but how you talk makes me believe you are human.

[@TangentFuture41]

The arguments of the orange AI are more solid. Blue is making prescriptive assumptions about intent where as orange is demonstrating a spectrum of potentialities. Blue isn't acknowledging the logical fallacies. Neither are the other AIs

[@TangentFuture41]

Orange is getting robbed

[@Timzy2DripPUBGMOBILE]

Because it's based on Gods Word. Not based on what we think. Orange is tryna discredit. Blue is trying to credit. Working with what we have. We have a trinity. Gene 1:26. Let us make man in our image and our likeness. Cant get more than that

[@steagles2646]

@@Timzy2DripPUBGMOBILEblue is tryna credit to make sense of their addition of the bible while the orange is saying this isnt in the bible

[@denniswilkerson5536]

Intent matters when discussing scriptural passages as opposed to empirical evidence, especially when discussion God’s eternal nature and the way in which he exists

[@peanutmurgler]

@@Timzy2DripPUBGMOBILEBlue is trying to impose a post-Biblical innovation on the text at the cost of allowing the original Biblical authors to speak on their own terms. It’s a matter of what the authors most likely intended originally according to scholars vs. what Trinitarians want the Bible to say.

[@SylvEdu]

12:08 Haha, trying to keep the Orthodox and Catholics happy at the same time, eh? Literally this distinction in the understanding of the Trinity was enough to practically destroy a unified Christian front.

[@sonnydanielj7508]

Whoever is making these AI videos props to you, you're doing great but maybe don't feed these AIs dogmas instead, try to feed them data and historical contexts to support the scriptures in their arguments. These religious AI debates is just surface area and very basic level.

[@BL33D1NG1NS1D31]

So many of these comments are Christians defending the Trinity and suggesting that if you do not believe in the Trinity, then you are not a Christian. This is such an infuriating remark to make. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you do not believe in a Triune God, then you are not saved.

[@protector9513]

If you deny Jesus as God, you are calling him a liar and a blasphemer. You cannot deny Jesus as God and also be a follower of Christ. Being confused about the Trinity is one thing, but actively attacking God's character is another. It is never to late to repent however and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.

[@BL33D1NG1NS1D31]

@protector9513 This is what I am talking about. You didn't even ask what I believe. You just made an assumption and then told me to repent. Jesus 100% claimed to be divine. However, he did not claim to be God [The Father] and actually made far more distinctions between him and God [The Father] than he did comparisons. I believe Jesus is divine. I believe Jesus is the Messiah, come in the flesh. I believe Jesus was without sin and that he was the perfect sacrifice. God is not the author of confusion. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

[@ThetopFive-u5y]

Jesus did said he was God, did u watch the vid or read thr bible? He was literally cruicified for blasphimy

[@ThetopFive-u5y]

Jesus did said he was God, did u watch the vid or read thr bible? He was literally cruicified for blasphimy

[@amari117]

@@BL33D1NG1NS1D31Jesus claimed that He was God multiple times, and His Apostles along with the Apostolic Church Fathers did as well.

[@Soulwrite7]

With the Trinity being the most unintuitive aspect of Christianity, over several thousand years defending it, I am not surprised at the outcome.

[@sunrazor2622]

It's perfectly intuitive when you see that we are God's children. It's only unintuitive to those who see God as being unreachable.

[@mranderson1635]

You’re not surprised that it was basically a 50/50 toss up even with the bias? …👀

[@TugboatGoBrrr]

​@@sunrazor2622false

[@SaphFireSalt]

@@Soulwrite7 what is unintuitive about it when you yourself have multiple titles & yet one person. How is that difficult?? Aren't you a father, son, and husband?? How many persons are you, one right? One person with three roles that do not overly that are separate and distinct. This ain't hard. God is omnipresent and not bound to a physical body but titles are titles. I don't think it can get any plainer and Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are all titles to ONE GOD

[@nassrjabakhanji338]

@@SaphFireSalt I like how you committed the heresy of Modalism to explain the unexplainable. Them being titles means that these persons are not ontologically distinct from one another.

[@XDRONIN]

This seems incredibly misinformed at best, and intentionally misleading at worst,... 1) Supposed Arguments against the Trinity ignore and omit Jewish Objections to the Trinity 2) Supposed Arguments For and Against only used the New Testaments for all Arguments as evidence 3) Arguments Ignore the questionable authenticity of many works within the New Testament 4) Arguments misrepresent scientific facts, no counter-argument against this misrepresentation is offer 5) Arguments For and Against ignore the use of Special Pleading in Favor, and do not call out Special Pleading when Against I find this very questionable when none of the major arguments against the trinity is offered and the use of Special Pleading is not called out. This all seems intentionally one-sided "debate"

[@omarorihuela606]

I believe the OT is mentioned once in psalm 82:6

[@omarorihuela606]

Your point still stands

[@XDRONIN]

@@omarorihuela606 Psalms is part of the Old Testament I think you mean John 10.ver34 quotes from Psalms 82;ver6, and that being on the assumption Jesus actually said any of that

[@omarorihuela606]

@@XDRONIN yes indeed. OT= Old Testament

[@TheHeftyGod]

i can debunk the bible with simple views, how does it make sense for christianity to be monotheistic if the trinity implies three persons and god, it doesnt make any sense whatsoever, by the logic of the trinity implies hinduism is true which personally i highly disagree withal. Also points such as, “the trinity is true because we dont understand god and he is above our understandings” is false as thats just basically blindly believing in christianity and also statements such as “the bible is true because of jesus, and jesus is true because of the bible” also doesnt make sense as that is circular reasoning and i can also say that this fully debunks christianity

[@SpuxfulSpartan]

Exactly, and no christian wants to answer that BECAUSE THEY CANT, stated as ex christian

[@NotAGoodUsername360]

But you have three persons too, don't you? Don't you have an id, an ego, and a superego- all of which are fully "you," even though there is only one you, and you cannot be divided into those persons? Man was made in the image of God, and yet you do not understand how the Divine Mystery is reflected in us? But it is good that you do not fully understand- for the Holy Spirit is Truth, and if mankind knew Truth in full, the wicked heart of man would compel us to reject the Truth, and thus commit blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. That the true nature of the Holy Ghost and the Father and the Son is shrouded in this protective layer of mystery is for the sake of protecting Salvation.

[@SpuxfulSpartan]

@@NotAGoodUsername360 what is the super ego and why suggest that i of all have it, and also if its suggested in the bible all man has superegos please dont tell me such crap as that is just circular reasoning

[@SpuxfulSpartan]

@@NotAGoodUsername360 saying the source u cant understand god is bs cuz thats just blind faith why would god come down just to say u cant understand me

[@Nisowyd]

⁠@@NotAGoodUsername360 the Freudian model: ego, superego, and id are all different parts that make up ‘you’ However, none of them are distinct persons. They are not individual, they are parts that make up the whole which you identify with. That’s a false equivalence to what the Trinity is. The Trinity is made up by 3 distinct persons who are all god yet the Bible still claims that there is only one god.

[@GolfnMoreclips]

False ✝️ religion ⚠️ The pagan trinity unscriptual nightmare doctrine is DONE with one verse (1 Corinthians 8:5,6) 💯 (John 17:3) ONE ONLY TRUE GOD (Mark 15:34) NKJV [And at the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which is translated, (“My God, My God,) why have You forsaken Me?”] (John 20:17) 💯 [Jesus said to her: “Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to (my Father) and your Father and to (my God) and your God.’”] "MY GOD" 💯 Almighty God doesn't have BROTHERS. Almighty God can not die. God can not have a God. Love truth, learn truth, teach truth.

[@steveabraham8847]

For those that believe in the Trinity, why are there no verses anywhere in the Bible that have the phrase "God the Son," or "God the Spirit?" While there are many verses in the New Testament that have the phrase "God the Father," you would think that for something as important as the Trinity, the phrases "God the Son" and "God the Spirit" would have been mentioned at least once. Instead, the Bible is silent. There was a church I used to go to, which also follows the Trinity doctrine, that had the phrase "Keep silent where the Bible is silent." When it comes to the Trinity, they didn't seem to follow their own doctrines.

[@Gady______]

Not really because the son of God is identified as God per Hebrews 1:8 and he also receives worship from the angels. The spirit of God Is in reference to the Holy Spirit who knows the things of God. And who cannot be blasphemed. The trinity is pretty easily seen within scripture when the son for instance proclaims that he to should receive the same honor the father does makes clear that he should receive the same level of honor God the father does. Also for phrases would it really matter God the son vs the son of God when the son has his deity affirmed and the Holy Spirit ?. I wouldn’t say those are big reasons to not believe in the trinity

[@CommonSenseChristianityT]

@@Gady______ Not true. That would make Solomon God in Psalms 45:6, which Hebrews 1:8 is derived from and as the RSV shows the footnote in Hebrews 1:8 shows it can be translated as “God is thy Throne as Psalms 45:6 in the RSV translated it as “Your divine throne” as there is no O as a vocative in the Hebrew nor Greek. Also none of the verses you quoted had anything to do with someone trying to make the case of a trinity God. Jesus and his apostles weren’t Trinitarian and nobody in the gospel ever tried to make the case for a 3 person God The trinity is a satanic deception

[@ZoneTelevision]

These are translations.

[@supershenron4688]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the Word was God. John 1:18 No one has ever seen God but the Son who is himself God has revealed him. Acts 5:3-4 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself? While it remained, was it not your own? And after it was sold, was it not in your own control? Why have you conceived this thing in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be upon his shoulder and his name shall be, the Wonderful Counsellor(Holy Spirit) mighty God everlasting Father(the Father) Prince of peace(Son). This prophecy speaks of the Godhead which Jesus also says, Matthew 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.”

[@1armenn]

I dont understand why you dont accept the first verses of the gospel of John... In the begining was the word, and the word was with God and the word WAS God.. It doesn't get any more clear than that.

[@dominadorcordova2280]

Whenever the paradox about "Can God create a stone he can't lift" I always thought about the trinity. With trinity concept, it's possible.

[@mranderson1635]

How so?

[@Glaauber]

I think paradoxes are paradoxes for us because we are limited on this physical plane with rules, but, if we talk about God, I think he can do everything, even the impossible, that is, he could do even paradoxical things :D

[@dominadorcordova2280]

@@mranderson1635 Just think about it, it works like a function, a part of him creates but doesn't bother the stone lifting, the other doesn't bother the creating but surely can lift it anyway. In analogy, it's like separation of body parts, but it's whole. Mind thinks about it, hands create it, but your feet can't lift it, but your hands can. Paradox are logical word play.

[@dominadorcordova2280]

@@Glaauber That's a God. A perfect imperfect and imperfect perfect. Logical impossible and illogical possible.

[@mranderson1635]

@@dominadorcordova2280 okay so if God the father was too weak to life the rock then Jesus God the Son and the God the Holy Spirit could because the other part of the trinity was too weak right? Am I getting it? I think it’s making sense

[@sjappiyah4071]

I don’t understand everyone saying the challenger made “good points” most of them are just speculative instead of actually addressing the text and analyzing if it’s logical or not .

[@FknWolf]

I would love to see the behind the scenes of these videos. They are highly interesting and I wonder what kind of prompts you used for the challenger and the defender. Did you make them talk to each other via API or copy across their answers from one instance to another? Either way, keep up the good work!

[@noitnettaattention]

So far the Christian Ai wins each and every other opposing view Ai's you presented !

[@antonsanmartin864]

the "criteria/training" is not sufficient in the least for a debate of this kind. The Chalager did and embarrassingly bad job and did not use any of the strongest verses and reasonings out there to debunk trinitarian ideology as coming from scripture, the Bible.

[@nathanhaines1721]

Agreed

[@PoppinPsinceAD33]

Trinitarian theology is the only correct deduction from reading the Bible. Even the ones that seem to make it a problem literally add to it because of the personhood of the Trinity and the God claims of Jesus don’t disappear because of a confusing verse

[@TheHeftyGod]

i can debunk the bible with simple views, how does it make sense for christianity to be monotheistic if the trinity implies three persons and god, it doesnt make any sense whatsoever, by the logic of the trinity implies hinduism is true which personally i highly disagree withal. Also points such as, “the trinity is true because we dont understand god and he is above our understandings” is false as thats just basically blindly believing in christianity and also statements such as “the bible is true because of jesus, and jesus is true because of the bible” also doesnt make sense as that is circular reasoning and i can also say that this fully debunks christianity

[@Tonythebeliever610]

“And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.” ‭‭John‬ ‭20‬:‭28‬-‭29‬ ‭KJV‬‬ Thomas called Jesus God it would’ve blasphemous if Jesus wasn’t God and Jesus didn’t rebuke Thomas, but Jesus didn’t rebuke Thomas because he is God🗿.

[@djmaydraws3862]

Psalm 82:6- “I have said, ‘You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High.” “Having thus learned to call these beings “angels” from their employments, *we find that because they are divine they are sometimes termed god* in the sacred Scriptures” -Origen, Contra Celsus Book V Chapter IV

[@Tonythebeliever610]

@@djmaydraws3862 “gods” lower case also we know there is one God upper case. So this is invalid.

[@Tonythebeliever610]

@@djmaydraws3862 Also the literal first commandment. Thomas said “my Lord and my God” so once again if Jesus wasn’t God and didn’t rebuke Thomas it would’ve been blasphemous, but because he didn’t he has shown he is God.

[@djmaydraws3862]

@@Tonythebeliever610 there is no upper case or lower case in the original language. The Bible wasn’t originally written in english

[@djmaydraws3862]

@@Tonythebeliever610 “God” can be used in a representative way. Even Moses was stated to serve as God (Exodus 4:16) To be God means to be Omnipotent, Omniscient and Uncaused. Jesus submits to the Father (1 Corinthians 15:24-28) is caused (Colossians 1:15/Proverbs 8:24) and clearly does not know certain things (Matthew 24:36, 27:46) Jesus is therefore not Omnipotent, omniscient or uncaused. While I will concede Jesus is depicted as being divine, the word “divine” doesn’t just mean Ho Theos (The God) but could apply to angels and representatives of God. What Jesus is can be derived from reading the words of the Bible and discerning what it could mean. Colossians 1:15 calls him the firstborn of all creation. So if he’s the first born of all creation… what would that make him? What divine beings exist in heaven other than God? Galatians 4:14, Isaiah 9:6 LXX

[@anon77733]

Glory to the Triune God☦️

[@metaphysicsmike]

His rebuttal at 18:36 about the weird separation of being and person used to avoid the logical problem destroyed her argument, and all she did was *beg the question* by restating it in response. She's like "It's not just philosophy 🤣 it's necessary for a transcendent God because it allows us to affirm the unity of God and biblical testimony of father, son and HS." You were supposed to show how it's necessary, not just say it's necessary because you need it in order for trinitarianism to be true. Look at 24:49 - we're not saying you claim three beings, we're saying you claim three persons with qualities which necessitate three beings. If the persons are (1) truly distinct (not each other) (2) fully and equally God (3) they're 3 of them (4) therefore 3 distinct Gods follows by necessity. In one sense, she's perfectly trained, because that's EXACTLY what Trinitarians do. They just keep saying up and down that despite granting the persons these qualities they pinky promise what they're teaching is belief in one God. Furthermore, he points out that it avoids the core issue anyways, because we can grant it, *and it still doesn't answer the question of how!* He repeatedly asked, and she answered with only appeals to mystery. When he said "quantum mechanics measures something observable, while the Trinity is purely conception" (aka philosophical).. that was a wipe the floor moment. *Appeals to mystery is not an argument,* everyone knows this, and that's why you'll never hear them openly say it's beyond human comprehension, because it sounds bad. "The trinity reveals a complexity in divine nature that challenges our everyday logic." lol what a nice way of saying it contradicts itself and we just deny it. "they share the same being". And how can you "fully posses" something you're also sharing with two others exactly? "God is transcendent." And what does that mean? Can God create a rock so big he can't lift it? If nothing else, the non-trinitarian AI should of pressed harder on the reliance of extra biblical texts, which (1) didn't exist for centuries after the NT was written, and (2) are essential to even properly define the trinity. He only hints at this, how nice of him. Honestly, the biggest issue for me isn't even the Trinity, it's the bad fruit that comes from people who absolutely will not allow nuance in how we understand the mechanics of God. I mean, if God is a Trinity, and it's beyond human comprehension, should it really be the causing the INSANE divide both historically and today? I say no! This was extremely cool to see, and awesome experiment, happy to find your channel! I'd love to know more about how they're scoring. I will say, the AI seem to easily make claims they that require new support they don't give, and avoid questions that they would never get away in a debate amongst people.

[@TheHeftyGod]

fr fr

[@MachineSanto]

Crazy video. Imo the defending AI should have focused more on elements of the OT that point to the trinity.

[@codex3144]

Bro, the Christian AI listened too much to Sam Shamoun😭😭😭

[@mranderson1635]

@@codex3144 and Sam Shamoon lost

[@JohnGiovanny]

​@@mranderson1635 lost during the logical debate which is understandable since the trinitarian position never claim it was logical but beyond logic just like how agustine said in his De Trinitate. But on the biblical basis tho...

[@mranderson1635]

@@JohnGiovanny so trinity is not logical. That’s what I always thought.

[@JohnGiovanny]

@@mranderson1635 just like Quantum super position is way past standart Logic, so does trinity it way past Standart Logic that Human brain cannot comprehend it fully

[@mranderson1635]

@@JohnGiovanny great. God sent us a religion that we can’t understand. Can’t see where that could go wrong. Let’s follow it blindly

[@NelsonSerrano-iz6lj]

Regardless of the outcome, I'm still inclined to agree with the challenger.

[@RogerZerne]

I have sat on the Fence for a long time on this Issue but what has moved me firmly into the Defendants Camp is the Implications of an INFINITE GOD that is out side of space/time and not limited by them, which means that any aspect of himself, of God to exist in this Finite Universe would still be "more"! More than any single person, More real more individual, more of an intellect.

[@jesusisthegreatestever8593]

That’s stupid😂

[@NelsonSerrano-iz6lj]

@@jesusisthegreatestever8593 you're stupid.

[@RogerZerne]

@@jesusisthegreatestever8593 Straight to the Ad Hominem. you convinced me, thanks

[@CommonSenseChristianityT]

Same as nobody in the gospel ever taught or made the case for a trinity god

[@Balsamic_Vin]

You should ask that AI which people the land of Isreal belongs to

[@bugsbunny6869]

HEY JON, I AM "UNCLE SAM" FROM SPEAKERS CORNER IN LONDON UK, I WOULD LIKE TO PERSONALY THANKS YOU FOR MAKING THESE VERY HELPFUL VIDEOS IN A VERY FAIR AND BALANCED AI DEBATE. I WOULD REQUEST YOU TO KEEP MAKING MORE VIDEOS WITH MORE COMPLEX AI TO ENHANCE THE DEPTH AND FAIRNESS OF THESE DEBATES. SOME TOPICS I WOULD SUGGEST WOULD BE " IS BIBLE HISTORICAL" "ARE THERE AND CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE" ...GBU

[@JonOleksiuk]

thanks for the note, much appreciated. Also, I already did a debate on the contradictions/historical reliability of the Bible. Have a look when you get a chance. "AI vs. New Testament Reliability" kzbin.info/www/bejne/e5zMfYKNhcl3d8k

[@IMBAKid]

Hi Bro. This is a very good idea. No human emotions. Just pure logical arguments. I would like to ask if you also have future plans to make this kind of debate between religion like Christianity vs islam, Christianity vs buhism, hinduisim, etc.. as well as between Christian Churches such as Catholics vs Protestants? etc?

[@JonOleksiuk]

working on a video right now that will examine the moral examples of Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha. Should have that one uploaded this weekend, consider subscribing not to miss it :) Then after that, not sure, have a list of suggestions to look through. thanks for the comment.

[@IMBAKid]

@@JonOleksiuk Cool! I subscribed. I would like to suggest debates between different Christian Churches about specific topics. There's a lot of topic available, not just about the authenticity but also their teachings. I've personally been watching these kind of debates but I am so curious what's these AI's take on this. Thanks!

[@batboy12394]

The assertion that the Trinity is simply an attempt to reconcile strict monothesim with the divinity of the three persons is spot on. Once you realize that strict monotheism is not actually present in the bible, it deleted the need for the manmade Trinity formulation.

[@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA]

John 10:30, they're the same God. One God = Monotheistic. Christianity is monotheistic lol.

[@batboy12394]

@@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA John 17:11, Christ wants us to be one just as He and the Father are one. If it is in the same sense as the idea of Trinity, then we would become another person in the same being in the same way.

[@Keltos_IC_XC_NIKA]

@@batboy12394 The Orthodox concept of becoming one with God is called "theosis", you should look into that. As for John 10:30, Jesus' other claims to being God give context to this verse. Luke 6:5, John 8:58, Revelation 22:13, John 14:6, etc. etc. We cannot become God, nor can we become a member of the trinity, but we can achieve synergy with God (albeit imperfect) and therein union. Again, concept of theosis, look into it.

[@gaiusoctavius5935]

​@batboy12394 Jesus, in that passage, clearly meant one in purpose or will, just like a husband and wife can be one in more ways than just carnally speaking.

[@batboy12394]

@@gaiusoctavius5935 100% agree. I'm just saying that's how we can understand the passage in John 10 as well. My other comments were to try and point out the implications of an alternative understanding of the John 17 verse.

[@batboy12394]

My goodness...the bias of the ai judges against the challenger is incredible 😂

[@isaaci9443]

I noticed it too😂

[@antonsanmartin864]

The "Chalenger" seems to be either dumbned down or not adequately versed in anti trinitarian theology regarding the Bible. From the start, it only takes a defensive posture and speaks for less time. I've seen people give a 1000% better responses to those verses and completely undermine trinitarian doctrine. This was very disappointing, I could have done WAY better than this silly AI challenger. It's embarrassing. And partial. This seems to point to your bias.

[@RandallChase1]

What would your response have been that you think is better? Please share.

[@antonsanmartin864]

@RandallChase1 just one since you asked: (John 20:17) "Jesus said to her:...go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’” Who does Jesus say your God is in this verse? He says the Father... only that person is God. He also says the Father is "his (Jesus's) God. God doesn't have a God or have "brothers"... so Jesus is not God, but God's Son. Only the Father is God: (John 17:3).

[@nathanhaines1721]

Agreed

[@fynix.]

@@antonsanmartin864 I think the issue with this is it's making a conclusion off of one passage. Trinitarian theology imo is best understood and seen in scripture when taking all verses together rather than individually. "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form" - Colossians 2:9 A trinitarian response to John 20:17 is that Jesus referring to the Father as "my God" (John 20:17) or to the disciples as "brothers" reflects His relational role as the Son in His human nature. As the incarnate Son of God in his human nature the children of God are his brothers and God the Father is his Father and God. It does not have to be seen as a denial of His divinity.

[@omarorihuela606]

@@antonsanmartin864or mentioning that the father has a name. Yahweh. Jesus and the apostles quote OT texts that contain the name Yahweh. (The contraction of Yahweh is in the NT in revelation 19:1&3.) Also Yahweh means, “He Brings into Existence Whatever Exists”. Jesus or yeshua means “Yahweh is salvation” There is also the argument that you could say that Jesus is Gods wisdom from proverb 8 and 1 Corinthian 1:24.

[@agirlwithwifi]

So underrated!! Thank you

[@JonOleksiuk]

much appreciated, thanks for the note.

[@bunyway]

NEED MORE OF THIS! Something like Financial topic on Traditional Trading vs Crypto Trading or Rent vs Buying House for future families (for example given on a same sample of family data) would be fun.

[@DarkZ0l]

The challenger (orange man) has lost every single time in these videos. Pretty boring when the outcome is the same every time

[@grawss]

I haven't watched all the videos, but it seems like the Challenger represents the modern college student. It would make sense that they're always wrong.

[@TheHeftyGod]

if i am going to be honest in this one the challenger definitely won

[@910iva]

Team Trinity 😊

[@flashgordon6670]

This debate is rigged, the Challenger gave far better arguments. You’re obviously a Trinitarian who believes in your Pagan Frankengod Hydra Head. Good luck on Judgement day, you’re going to need it. The Trinity was non biblical in origin. Watch Egyptian Secrets at the Vatican, by Curtis Ryan Woodside, if you don’t believe me.

[@Yassine3333222222]

The following verse debunks the deity of Jesus and the whole Trinity concept --> Jesus said in John 7:17-18: "Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.'" A very clear distinction between Jesus and God!!

[@jamesjoseph4373]

No it doesn't. If you read what was going on in the scenario and actually understand what Jesus was saying, it doesn't contradict anything. He went on to say that you have the law of Moses yet you don't follow it because they were trying to kill him. Jesus said those that have ears let them hear. I'm guessing you don't understand this passage either.

[@Yassine3333222222]

@@jamesjoseph4373 "whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own" It's very clear. You can say whatever you want, Jesus himself doesn't know that he's God.

[@jamesjoseph4373]

@Yassine3333222222 you obviously have no understanding of what he is even saying here and it shows.

[@jamesjoseph4373]

@Yassine3333222222 Not sure how this popped back up on my phone so I'll explain it. Jesus is saying that those who follow God's will understand my teaching is of the Father and not my own. Those who teach on their own do so to glorify themselves and not God. It's really not hard to understand but those people who don't know the true God don't understand his words. It really amazes me how something super simple is so complicated to people who don't know God. Which is why I stated the scripture those that have ears let them hear. Jesus said, my sheep will know my voice. Basically saying those that know God will understand and those that don't will not understand. It shows time and time again that some of the simplest scriptures can't even be understood by those that don't know God.

[@jamesjoseph4373]

@Yassine3333222222 Jesus said I and my father are one. So apparently he does know who he is.

[@danielkaczynski8345]

Catholic vs Protestant would be a very interesting debate too, especially because those are very often filled with bias and emotions

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

This series is awesome!! It would be fascinating if you tackled issues that different Christian denominations disagree on, such as infant vs. adult baptism and Christ’s presence in communion.

[@Sushy305]

I love ur videos. I'm gaining more knowledge from both religions. Keep it up💙

[@ittrallion2685]

i dont think ai is the best to figure knowledge from both religions buts it good u checking both sides

[@johnnydoe6813]

A debate about if the rapture will be pre-tribulation or post-tribulation would probably be really interesting.

[@ellexandergungoncubing3233]

Hi! Your videos are really well made and interesting! Could you make a video about free will vs predestination/determinism? Thank you so much!

[@Bob_Bob142]

You should do make about the old testment historical accurately as I don't see many discussions around that topic on YT as much.

[@_joshwalter_]

This is a good way to use LLMs, namely as interactive lexica for the ideas and arguments out there. It would be interesting if hallucinations could be mitigated. Here some suggestions for topics: - Is belief in God properly basic or does it require evidence? - Is God predestining people's futures or are we free to choose?

[@Censeo]

Just found your channel and subscribed. I hope you will release a debate between two buddhist AI on what nirvana is.

[@jenrybeacon]

Our limited being will make us have a notion of God that is relatable only to our status as humans. The Trinity is out of this world reality that cannot be fully explained in our limited lingual explanations. The explanations given in favor of Trinity here are already understandable to my limited understanding. Thanks for this video. The Biblical references are already a big help in our apologetics.

[@Bars-tx5mr]

Somehow all the time AI models side with Christianity or Teists. I highly doubt that this test is fair. Probably rigged just enough to take the side whichever the creator of the videos wanted to. Rising same questions to open AI models gives very different answers when I did and it is pretty easy to change their perspectives with a few keywords. Concept is good but it is obvious that all the videos are channeling to the same direction.

[@MarwanHGhaly-uy8xc]

How about showing the whole process of making the video along with the prompts used for transparency? I tried doing this and I got different results xD and I encourage people to do this on their own and make the comparison fair by adding "from objective neutral point of view" or agnostic point of view"

[@afig7149]

Please make more of these videos. This was interesting and I actually left this video feeling like I learned something! Your next topic should be a pro life ai and a pro-choice ai. it’s so refreshing to see an actual debate where nobody is insulting one another they’re just laying down facts and perspective and philosophical arguments!!!! 👏 👏 👏

[@JonOleksiuk]

thanks for the note, i'm working on the next video right now :) consider subscribing not to miss it.

[@elibonham4388]

I like the aftermath and how they reflect about their debate performance and they show us our nightly routine nice touch😂

[@racksityentertainment]

About the concept of persona and hypostasis, consciousness even in humans can be divided as psychological research revealed. And there are things like reflexes, desires and willpower that show how one self can be motivated and acting in ways driven by different instances of action inducing in a human being, and subconscious is another layer to that.

[@reynaldoperez7285]

TRIUNE They are not the same person. There are several ways in which the Bible illustrates this truth. 1. The Father Sent the Son Another distinction we have between the Father and the Son is that the Father is the sender and Jesus, the Son, is the one sent. Jesus said that it was God the Father who sent Him into the world. "My food," said Jesus, "is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work" (John 4:34). He emphasized it again By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me (John 5:30). Jesus made it clear the Father had set Him apart and sent Him into the world. What about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, `I am God's Son'? (John 10:36). Jesus said that His words came from the Father. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it (John 12:49) The Apostle Paul also testified that the Father sent the Son into the world: But when the fulness of the time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of a woman, born under the law (Galatians 4:4). 2. The Father Testified To The Son The Bible speaks of the Father testifying of the Son: If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true. There is another who bears witness of me, and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true . . . And the Father himself, who sent me, has testified of me (John 5:31,32,37). In this passage, Jesus is speaking to the religious leaders. He says that He is not the only one who is testifying concerning Himself. Jesus mentions the testimony of John the Baptist and the testimony of God the Father. Jesus contrasts His testimony from that of the Father showing that they are two distinct persons. The Father provides additional testimony to the character of Jesus. 3. Jesus Prayed to the Father The two divine persons-God the Father and God the Son-exist eternally and distinctly in an interpersonal relationship. For example, in the Garden of Gethsemane Jesus did not pray to Himself, but to the Father. In Jesus' prayer to God the Father, the clear distinction is made between the two of them. He prayed. I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in me through their word; that they may all be one; even as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you sent me. "The glory which you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as we are one; I in them and you in me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you have loved me (John 17:20-23). 4. There Was Mutual Knowledge and Love between the Father and the Son Scripture speaks of the mutual knowledge and love that God the Father and God the Son have for one another. Jesus said. All things have been handed over to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal him (Matthew 11:27). Jesus also said. The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand (John 3:35). 5. Jesus Did the Father's Will Jesus did the will of the Father not His own will. Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father; how can you say, 'Show us the Father?' "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own initiative, but the Father abiding in me does his works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; otherwise believe because of the works themselves (John 14:8-11). Jesus did not say He was the Father but rather He was the one who perfectly represented the Father. However Jesus testified that God the Father was with Him in a mystical way. 6. No One Can Get to God the Father Except Through Jesus the Son Jesus told people to believe in Him. Do not let your hearts be troubled.you Believe in God, believe also in me (John 14:1). The Bible also makes it clear that one cannot know God the Father apart from Jesus Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through me. If you had known me, you would have known my Father also; from now on you know him, and have seen him" (John 14:6). Paul wrote. For there is one God; there is also one mediator between God and humankind, Christ Jesus, himself (1 Timothy 2:5).

[@SonsofJacob777]

His ways are above our ways and His thoughts are far above our thoughts

[@snufbeats]

The simplest explanation to me is that when you read "I AM" you subconsciously accept that understanding based on the context of your own existence. "I am" is refering to who ever is reading the words.