The TRUE Difference Between Logia And Paramecia Devil Fruits Explained | One Piece

[@AfroBeer_]

Blackbeard can become pure darkness, in the manga he describes it as being a black hole or infinite gravity. Do to this unique nature he cannot be intangible because he takes everything in, which includes physical attacks.

[@2Spookster]

You are correct, I more or less meant that he can't straight up transform into his force of nature (from what we've seen at least) to become intangible like all the rest, suppose I should've worded that one differently!

[@matepavic6929]

2Spooky The reason why he can't become intangible like other logias could be because he is constantly bombarded with his weakness-light.Imagine if you put Kizaru in a room with no light-he would be able to use his powers like lasers and shit,but he wouldn't be intangible.Or if you put Enel into a room made out of rubber-he coull send electrical shocks at you,but he wouldn't be intangible.Same for Blackbeard,if there is light all around him,he is never able to be a true logia.Maybe that is the reason why he clocked himself in the scene of him stealing WB's fruit,in order to become a "true logia". Just a guess of mine.

[@AfroBeer_]

2Spooky No you worded it fine, I get what you meant. Many have been saying another reason he cant be intangible is do to light being his weakness. That's def possible although Oda is pretty good at exploring full potentials in these elemental powers, so maybe you could toy with this theory... Blackbeard declares himself to be a void or a blackhole-man. This can lead me to think he has become anti-matter or an absence of space. If he is anti-matter it would be logical to assume his weakness would be matter, or in other words "everything." This could explain 1. why he can't be intangible and 2. why he can take in an additional devil fruit power (if he is a void there is room for another). Thoughts?

[@randomcatname7792]

Mate Pavić you're genius

[@matepavic6929]

Jason Ortiz Sarcasm?

[@Kajnake]

Allow me to represent the chart i go by when it comes to such fruits: Zaun = Species Logia = Elements Paramecia = Random keywords not taken by mentioned above

[@Human_traain]

So zoan is animals logia is nature or elements and paramecia is the rest

[@nocomment6421]

@@Human_traain jub this

[@hrudaypatil564]

basically paramecia is a class where everything else other than animal or force of nature gets dumped into

[@TheTerryRex]

Blackbeard can't become intangible because his fruits power causes him to absorb all damage, therefore he can not come apart as darkness itself, essentially one of his fruits powers causes him to always be present, so he can always be hit. It is a side effect of the gravity effect of his power, gravity draws everything in so blackbeard drawn in attacks and damge and can't avoid them. Therefore you can not compare the Logia Darkness fruit to a standard for other logia, because it has a "Unique" Side effect, Logia by deffinition make users intangible, but this logias side effect cancels that out.

[@ShadeShadoWalker]

TheTerryRex thank you! A lot of people seem to not know this! I’m pretty sure it is explained (to some extent) in the manga and anime.

[@karma9204]

I have a question. How can he take damage if he is effectively a black hole? Gravity doesn’t take damage.

[@ShadeShadoWalker]

it's not that he's a literal black hole. You should look at it more as a metaphor of what a black hole represents. Eg. a black hole "absorbs" everything in its path, even light. It pulls everything into it's core. In a similar way, Blackbeard's devil fruit makes him pull other devil fruit users towards him, nullifying their abilities (because he represents darkness) while at the same time, having to absorb all damage due to his black hole like properties that pull everything to it's core, including damage.

[@thomaslopez5286]

That is a good point, but another way of looking at it which could also make sense is that since blackbeard is darkness his natural enemy would be the light around him. Like how Luffy was able to hit Crocodile because he was wet or how Luffy could hit Enel cause he is made of rubber. Which is why when he took Whitebeards Devil fruit he needed that blanket to hide them from the light so he could transform into darkness.

[@lamprospanidis7841]

The only point is...how he could handle 2 fruits...that's the only good question....

[@JonnnytheDM]

It is so much easier explaining the darkness fruit. You said a logia user can only be hit by its weakness, water to fire for example. Don't you think light is the weakness of darkness. And since there is light everywhere. He cannot turn into darkness. EXCEPT if he, let's say DARKENS HIS SURROUNDINGS like he did with whitebeard? Sound logical right?

[@danielkhan1]

Jonnnyfukyea So if Kizaru and Blackbeard fight, who would win?

[@ThePapermario24]

That One Weird kid browsing through the Internet I would love to see that.

[@TheMetastasia]

Kizaru would probably win against Blackbeards darkness fruit because light repress darkness. But Kizaru would lose against a Black Hole fruit because Black Holes have the gravity to even suck in light itself. Second thought if we look that Blackbeard was able to pull people near to him it would make sense that he not only owns a Darkness Fruit but a anti-matter fruit because darkness isn´t an element.

[@shadenox8164]

The dark fruit has already demonstrated blackhole like properties combined with the ability to nullify devil fruit abilities through contact. I'm not so sure it's a slam dunk for Kizaru at all. As for darkness not being an element, it depends in what capicity you're talking about, scientifically none of the logias are elements but once you have lava, light and fire as elements you really don't have an argument against darkness being one.

[@ahmadzamir4406]

We can take this theory of Light Pokémon and dark Pokémon. It is matter of who strike first, then have high probability to win.

[@sofuslee]

This is just my opinion, but your intro is way too long.

[@zaitch1449]

Sofus Lee Andersen Ever see the old intro? Way worse

[@Niko_Suavey]

His intro is like less than 30 seconds...

[@zaitch1449]

Niko Suavey The audio man. 20 seconds of loud garbage screaming

[@alfarabi999]

agree

[@Obversechaos]

I think it's just long enough. It'd ridiculous and has nothing to do with his content, which is why it always makes me laugh. I quite appreciate that intro.

[@2Spookster]

The dislikes are from people who thought Luffy was a logia ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@kurayami6200]

Been such a long time keep em coming dood

[@ookii8746]

absolutely hahaha

[@jamiedoyle1754]

2Spooky I'd love to see your top 10 favourite One Piece Characters please.

[@irishladdoyle7044]

Top 10 favorite One Piece Characters please

[@jamiedoyle6833]

A video about your top 10 favorite characters would be entertaining.

[@Dillo64]

But... but what about the bad guy in the fourth movie who could turn himself into gross tasting hard candy? He was a Logia, but candy isn't an element of nature! Also Honey Queen from that other OP movie who could turn herself into honey/juice/weird pink goo and Nami trapped her in a bottle. Weird pink goo isn't an element of nature! So HA! There goes your whole theory!!! Wait what? *WHAT DO YOU MEAN THE MOVIES AREN'T CANON*

[@JonnnytheDM]

Dillo64 in fact I think the last 2 or 3 are canon 🤔 gold, z and strong world

[@dragonwings123456789]

Jonnnyfukyea All movies are non canon but the characters in them can be canon like shiki and Z

[@nanashi1173]

Jonnnyfukyea Nope, they just contain canon material, but aren’t canon themselves. Like Shiki exists in One Piece canon, but he didn’t have the run in with the straw hats the movie produced. Zephyr isn’t canon period though, FYI guy above me, Z wasn’t written by Oda. Only Gold and Strong World contain canon elements. Though I wish it were opposite as I dislike Shiki, but like Zed. Also that candy power was so underused. Totally a cheap way to have a logia be fought pre-Haki.

[@antitheist3206]

Suddenly I'm compelled to mention the Pasa Pasa no Mi. It's a game-exclusive logia with the power of paper. Paper is made from plants, and after much research I've found that plants do in fact occur in nature. Lol but seriously I think things made from natural material are an odd situation to make into a Logia.

[@12Metatron]

well stuff like swamp or smoke isnt really an element of nature either

[@skylerkuhn5898]

I think the Dark Dark fruit actually does grant intangibility, just in a very unexpected way. Darkness isn't about shadows in a symbolic sense, but an actual scientific physics sense. Light is actually just molecules moving at VERY VERY fast speeds, and theoretically, if one could vibrate the atoms that make up their body fast enough, they too would create a body of intangible light. Remember, all solid material is just atoms vibrating at speeds comparable to the atoms of human bodies. Speed something up and it becomes light and then eventually 'disappears'. The Dark Dark fruit, being darkness, makes atoms and molecules slow down to nothing, creating a gravitational effect- a black hole does the same thing. It slows atoms down to nothing, compressing them into such density that they no longer can hold any form. So the Dark Dark fruit isnt so much a matter of not being intangible, but rather becoming the element of 'darkness' itself, which is dense, compressed, and unmoving. It's the one element that would naturally act against the idea of free movement. one could even argue that the element of darkness is actually just the lack or void of 'element' itself. Cool video tho! You brought up a lot of great points!!

[@NTTofMistery]

yeah light is not molecules moving very very fast. nor is it atoms or protons or neutrons or electrons. light is comprised of photons. and you got the gravity and darkness backwards. a strong gravitational pull, of a black hole, can force atoms to slow down or stop vibrating/moving but not the other way around. again a black hole doesnt have it effect on atoms individually, it just has such a strong gravitational pull that atoms in it get compressed to make its incredible density. darkness isnt dense compressed and unmoving, thats just a blackhole. and its speculated that on the surface of a black hole there would be an incredible amount of light, even more than on a sun, because light cant escape from a black hole. so having a black hole as the spokes person for darkness makes sense on the outside, but not from all angles. yeah darkness being a lack of elemt or void element could work oda giving the dark dark gravitational abilities makes no sense, because darkness doesnt have gravity of itself, which inturn lead to your confused conclusion mixing darkness and a black hole.

[@MUIDYLANICE]

"light is just molecule moving at VERY VERY fast speeds" bit inaccurate but it doesnt matter much as long at you know that photons have zero mass and are much smaller then most subatomic particles "and theoretically, if one could vibrate the atoms that make up their body fast enough, they too would create a body of intangible light" no, a photon can only even be considered a particle by the logic that it has a specific size, think of it this way if you look at this symbol ~ its practically a perfect 2d representation of a photon, think of light as a ray, a single ray, that moves up and down while still moving forward making almost the shape of a wave, higher energy light (blue to violet and ultra violet side of the spectrum) moves back and forth faster and lower energy light (orange to red to infrared side of the spectrum) moves back and forth slower, now im gonna have to explain a little bit why this is so you can understand ill try and make it quick and simple, the easiest way to understand why light rays move like this is because theres a speed limit to the universe, that is, a maximum possible speed something can move through spacetime, since light has zero mass as long as it has literally any energy it will move at infinite speed, but since theres a speed limit it only moves at 300 million meters per second, alright now if theres a speed limit to the universe, that is, a maximum possible distance something can travel through space in a certain amount of time, then unless something changed when you added more energy to light, light would technically just instantly obliterate any energy it absorbed, but something does change, because light moves up and down (good place to input that again, this is just a basic explanation relying on a 2D visualization, in the real world light doesnt LITERALLY move up and down along its path) since light does move up and down we can see that if light has lets say an energy level of 1, then itll go both up and down to reach the same spot after 1 second, now if we increase that energy level to 2, a normal object would just reach the same place twice as fast, but since light already moves at the speed limit of the universe, its kinda gotta cheat, now that it has twice the energy level, it moves forward at exactly the same speed because its already at the maximum speed, but now it moves up and down twice as fast as well, so now its moved up and down twice and reached the same point in this motion twice (keeping in mind since it never got reflected neither of these points were in the same literal space but rather the same stage of the up-and-down motion) now that you can picture light a little bit better, when the wavelength reaches a spot where it was before, we call the part of the ray of light between the to idnetical points (again not literally identical theyre just in the same stage of the up and down) a photon so photons and regular particles have very few similarities, thats why increasing the energy level of a regulare particle could indeed, make it seem as if it was releasing light, and might give the idea that if you do this to an extremely large degree it might turn the pbject into light, the real interaction taking place doesnt involve the creation of new light, but simply because the light that bounces of the object gains energy from it "Remember, all solid material is just atoms vibrating at speeds comparable to the atoms of human bodies. Speed something up and it becomes light and then eventually 'disappears'" uhhhh, i mean, kind of? there are 2 ways i can see this, 1: you mean that every object is just vibrating at a specific speed because of heat, but this doesnt make sense because if thats what you meant it means you think heating up objects makes them turn into light and as i explained earlier thats just not true 2: youre talking about string theory, which, even thought a highly doubt you are, string theories interpretation of the vibrating strings, while does allow the changing of these vibration frequencies to result in the changing of the substances inherent properties, it doesnt allow these properties or vibrations to be affected that deeply within the interaction between different "strings" "The Dark Dark fruit, being darkness, makes atoms and molecules slow down to nothing, creating a gravitational effect- a black hole does the same thing. It slows atoms down to nothing, compressing them into such density that they no longer can hold any form. So the Dark Dark fruit isnt so much a matter of not being intangible, but rather becoming the element of 'darkness' itself, which is dense, compressed, and unmoving" i think this is the last part of your message that i can actually provide new information to you by disproving so: firstly, i want you to picture gravity differently, imagine it so that as the universe stands, two massive objects will accelerate towards eachother at a specific speed, as they get closer to eachother the speed of acceleration increases, now instead of thinking of this as acceleration or speed or any sort of force, i want you to think of it like this, due to the curvature of space and time, the entire universe is moving slowly towards the exact pinpoint center of that object's total mass, and the speed at which space and time move toward the center of the object is increase by the total mass of the object, so, with this way of picturing gravity, you can understand that theres truly no such thing as a "gravitational effect" when an object (lets say you or me) is "moving" towards the center of another object ( lets say the earth) its actually not moving, but rather it is remaining in the exact same plase in space, but space itself is getting closer to the center of the object as time moves along (so basically, when you stand up, you arent fighting against a force of gravity, but rather you are actively moving directly away from the center of the earth, as everything else in the universe slowly moves towards the center of the earth) now to explain a black hole simply (key word *simply* this is by no means an acurate depiction) now if you imagine what i just explained on an extremely small level (like on a quark to quark basis) , and then try to vaguely imagine all of these small parts in affect on a larger scale (like all the quarks in a black hole) you can see that everything in the universe is actually slowly moving towards each quark, but it just so happens, that no matter the shape a the structure, the movements of spacetime will always cancel out to make it so that space will move exactly toward the center of the object, now you have to understand that while yes, each of these quarks is also moving to the exact center of the black hole, since each object in the system is also contributing to where the center is, the centerpoint itself is actually constantly shifting, this is, in normal massive objects, in black holes, the movement that each particle make is so neglagible to the center point, that eventually, some of them are going to reach the exact center point ( key word *some*) and begin to "perfectly align" which will eventually make it so that these objects are so close together, that even if you look at it at the smallest level possible, you wont be able to distinguish them (aka each of them is less then 1 planck length apart, the planck length being the smallest possible distance being allowed in our universe, as well is the planck second being the smallest possible time frame allowed in our universe, you can view it as, a planck length is a pixel, and a planck second is a frame, if you look at our universe this way, you can say that a black hole, just has multiple particles inside the exact center pixel) and due to this condensation that defies the regular laws of reality, a small area is created in which the spacetime of the universe bends so strongly toward this object that you would have to defy the laws of physics to move away from the center of the object while you are in this area (this area being the event horizon of a black hole) when a black hole is being formed, initially this area doesnt even exceed the size of the object itself, but since the amount of mass being condensed into this "infinitely small" point keeps increasing, or alternatively, the size of this "infinitely condensed" mass blob increases, the size of the event horizon will continue to expand you can see in this depiction of a black hole that no where in the process is energy removed or destroyed, its just that as the mass of an object increases, the energy contained within it is less and less able to resist the movement of space itself

[@ChaosSniper999]

I do have to point out, poison DOES occur in nature, extremely often at that. The reason Mejelon fruit is actually considered a Paramecia and not logia is because he does NOT naturally produce his poison on his own. Early on in that arc, when we first hear of him, it is stating in a passing comment that he eats poisons, and has....bathroom poisons because of it. Therefore, we can speculate that in order for his fruit to work, he needs to consume a sample, or maybe even stockpile poison in his body. On the other hand, the Yami Yami no me is explained to also cover Gravity as well as darkness. Blackbeard stated that the gravity aspect is why he can't disperse into darkness, however is DOES suck up damage so it isn't lasting, in exchange of it being more Painful. And as a little bonus, the wax wax fruit is Paramecia because Wax doesn't happen naturally, it's always created by something, whether it's humans or bees.

[@wellberightback4861]

Poison is created by living beings (mushrooms insects and plants) therefore it is not made by nature itself.

[@ChaosSniper999]

@@wellberightback4861 That too. But it was also explained that he eats poison for his fruit, that's why most of his time is on the john.

[@sensen9900]

WOW the First, FIRST OP KZbinr who really has a Plan and knows what hes Talkin About, At least of the Topic of Devil Fruits :D Nice Done

[@RC-vf5ek]

Bb is intangible while in darkness, his weakness is light meaning he is always in his weakness

[@xtrumo.em2d296]

I agree with that theory.

[@D7IMH]

On 3:25 Aokiji’s devil fruit didn’t allow the attack to come in because I’m 99.9% sure that he anticipated Whitebeard’s haki attack And he did avoid the attack like what Katakuryi does. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Thanks,

[@platinumequinox]

Really well done video :D

[@-omar-1130]

Keep up with the great content 2Spooky

[@TheFlyingPanda]

Great video!

[@MrNoodle986]

I kinda want to clarify something about logia's Logia's seem to be able to exist as a phenomenon as well For example Aokiji's logia is the "cold cold fruit" rather than the "ice ice (baby) fruit" So yeh its also something because in the T/N of katakuri's introduction mochi could also refer to stickyness so it could have been oda's original intention for have him be a logia

[@mastergoku4321]

Mr Noodle but trebol has the sticky sticky fruit

[@MrNoodle986]

mastergoku4321 wait i thought trbol was the mucus mucus fruit?

[@mastergoku4321]

Mr Noodle it’s translation is literally the stick stick fruit

[@shadenox8164]

That is important to note. A lot of people forget that Aokiji's power isn't ice, but that the ice comes from the water moisture in the air when he drops the area around him below freezing.

[@phelps6205]

Just stop this shit, his fruit is the ice fruit, he does not become cold, he becomes Ice and create ice, not freeze the air.

[@stefan_c.76]

Good videos, as always.

[@Weedlewon1]

Good job! This is one of the best videos actually going into detail about the differences between these devil fruits.

[@Riluski]

Great breakdown of devil fruits but unfortunately I didn’t learn anything new.

[@obscurereference1927]

You are legit my favorite youtube channel

[@papashaggy9526]

Katikuri can only re-shape his body with mochi. He can't pass through attacks. He uses his observation haki to see where his enemy is going to attack and then he shapes his body to make it look like it passes through him. It's like what Kuzan did against Whitebeard.

[@dragonwings123456789]

The black swordsman Not true Bege unloaded a hail of bullets into dogtooth and you call see them make contact and slow down because of the mochi until they slowly popped out the otherside

[@papashaggy9526]

Azrael Ramos you're wrong. Have you read the latest chapters? Katikuri actually says it himself. Or maybe it was Luffy whay said it. It's confirmed

[@dragonwings123456789]

The black swordsman Look back to the chapter where bege shoots him. You can clearly see the bullets makes contact as they ooze out of him

[@khtah2]

He only does that against Haki attacks

[@Bran_D_On]

Azrael Ramos He stops bullets the same way luffy does, luffy is not a logia. If katakuri were to be cut by a swordsman without haki he would still bleed and not reform it.

[@dragoncross42]

Awesome video i hope you make more videos like this one. Thanks for giving more info on the difference between Logia And Paramecia Devil Fruits

[@sharoothsprakash1953]

is it just me or anyone else skip his intro ?.. just too eager to watch his content

[@beegyoshi5382]

I just turn the speed up lol

[@DJBacon-qj1gr]

I skip becasue its too long

[@ilovemypeopleful]

I’m not trying to watch 20 seconds of intro

[@nabilsapari2286]

This is why in terms of power creation, I prefer togashi's nen. It really isn't restricted to the randomness of the fruit that you eat but instead, (to make it simple) your personality and intellect and ability of controlling nen. Oda practically dug himself a hole when there are restrictions on devil fruit users. (Can't swim etc) I really do wish the full explanation of the origins of devil fruits will be sufficient to answers all our queries.

[@deandredukes95]

The More You Know

[@dhanish3702]

damn how you edit your videos ? the way you put slides was just so easy to understand and your editing is just too smooth as well as your transitions..can you teach me ..please ..or some link...i really want to learn such smooth editing but i dont know how to..was waiting to ask such question for a long time...hope you get to see this :D

[@TheAnimeDude]

NOT FIRST!!!

[@sblower9410]

still counts as a "first" comment -10 points for commenting skills

[@LumpKing]

The Anime Dude lol wassup

[@MarvelousPhilly]

The Anime Dude Aww damn, man. You're so freakin' lucky you're not first. But, I think I beat you on that one. 😎

[@robgucci7663]

Great video man as usual Want to see another one of these types of vids, but dont know what... well its not one piece, but maybe explaining some confusing nen types from hxh? Like which are transmuters and which are conjurors and what not.

[@zubhanwc3]

hey 2spooky, the yami yami no mi IS intangible. Its just that light is its natural weakness and we have only seen the user in light of some source, hence why they have been tangible

[@wesleywallace4426]

zubhanwc3 Yeah that's I think too. Probably explains why Blackbeard through a black sheet over Whitebeard. It's so that he could be in total darkness, so light must have some effect on him.

[@aaronbell7254]

go look it up. they have state it that its not.

[@morningivy]

aaron bell Shut up

[@aaronbell7254]

lol you sound 12...why should I kid?

[@meloyello42]

Wrong...they even explain it multiple times. The “element” of darkness absorbs everything, since he IS darkness, he must absorb all attacks to himself (though he seems to heal pretty damn quick from them too).

[@G4KW]

Really like your vids man!! You legend Mac and bda law are my favorite one piece content youtubers!!

[@thatguyoverthere2217]

Blackbeard has become pure darkness before tho. During impel down right before he knocked out that guy blocking his way.

[@papashaggy9526]

ThatGuy OverThere yeah. you seen him as just a bit of darkness when he curb stomped Hannibal

[@angelalaunter]

is that a jojo reference?

[@Ax1oM11oo]

ThatGuy OverThere No, he hasn’t. He covers himself with darkness but has never become darkness to the cells level. NEVER

[@thatguyoverthere2217]

RASHTG Wtf. Guy you sound crazy. Before you make that statement you should find proof

[@_maza_2443]

He said he can't do it, and he's never been seen doing it to avoid taking damage like any other Logia would. I don't see how you need more proof.

[@J0K32R]

Newcomer, never seen a video on this channel before. This video was really well made. Just dropping an opinion for discussion. I think that, rather than forces of nature, logias are more like reactions in chemistry. For example freezing water makes ice, straw and flint with sparks yield fire, smoke, etc.

[@bryan23fco]

Wait, Luffy's isnt logia?

[@daniellee1154]

Banks B he is trolling duhhh

[@bmoney3837]

I realized

[@antitheist3206]

Don't listen to this heathen, of course Luffy is Logia!

[@tahrayay1990]

@@antitheist3206 : He isn't, Luffy is Paramecia.

[@ChaosSniper999]

Nope, Rubber isn't naturally occurring, plus, Luffy doesn't turn INTO rubber, he IS rubber. He also doesn't produce it.

[@brolyrules-ningen2223]

Your opening never seems to not brighten my day never change it

[@kevuchiha3034]

Logia - can create element and make their body that element. Paramecia- can either create substance or their body is a substance. Well except Blackbeard and Katakuri ...

[@hollowkid97]

and some arent actual elements. its weird

[@Kuroshiro24]

Kev Uchiha if you pay attention You can touch a logia if you use their weakness. For example crocodile and water. When crocodile was covered in water during the war by Luffy (crocodile tried killing whitebeard as soon as he arrived), crocodile didn't lose his power but lost his power to turn into sand and was touchable. Now then. What is the weakness of darkness? Light. Light is everywhere. We see because of light. Because light is everywhere blackbeard is always covered by his weakness. Even at night there is some light like the moon reflecting the sun's rays. So because he is always covered by his weakness. He will be in the same state as crocodile when covered by his weakness. Unable to turn into your element and unable to be untouchable. Magellan only produced poison. And covered his body in it so his foes would be afraid to even touch him. That's why Luffy can hit him if he coats his limbs in armor. Because his skin isn't making contact with the poison. Now as for katakuri. Hmmm, I need more info on him. He was supposed to be a logia at first but then oda changed it officially. (Didn't watch his video yet, but i had this theory for over 5 year now)

[@kevuchiha3034]

Nick Taylor when did i say otherwise?

[@Kuroshiro24]

Kev Uchiha you just said blackbeard is an exception I shared my theory on why he isn't an exception He's just always covered in light

[@kevuchiha3034]

Nick Taylor oh thats my fault. I read only the first sentence and stopped. But with this new comment^ i think i probably understand what u previously said.

[@Froakii]

Awesome video! The quality is amazing keep it up man

[@GiRR007]

its never really said that logias have to be forces of nature or an element.

[@Toxoplasma-]

I don't feel as if the whole "it has to be a force of nature to be logia" doesn't hold up. Doughnut man is called a Special Paramecia because he has awakened it; the reason Doffy wasn't called that is because oda didn't come up with the term yet. And, with Jozzy, as far as we know about awakenings now... your argument then would have to deal with the fact that now he can produce, and control diamonds outside of his body if he is even shown using an awakened ability. Lastly, back to Doughnuts, he can produce extra mochi, and even control his own mochi body due to properties of mochi, mixed with his awakening. A better definition of Logias are that they are abilities that can influence nature. With a base logia user he'd be able to use and control whatever element it is, and at an awaken level influence and leave a lasting impression on nature like punk hazard. Now, shit talk me.

[@theoutcastleaf3410]

You may want to put a time stamp for when you can skip the possible spoiler

[@Joshua_Shadow_Manriguez]

One Piece is such a mess of a series it doesn't matter.

[@chad_bro_chill]

You're watching a video about the lore of a series and want a fucking spoiler warning? Are you literally twelve?

[@michaelswart2192]

Of course the guy who is getting salty is a Chad 😂😂👌 but I do agree, it would be nice to give a time skip, not necessary though

[@ingenjannik]

I don't think it's very smart to use the exceptions to the rule as guidelines for the rules. I want to adress Blackbeard and Katakuri especially: BB: It may not be that turning into darkness is an ability that the yami yami no mi lacks but that this ability is restricted by its gravitational properties. Simply put, his body is in a continiously dense state due to the gravitational effect his df has on his body, therefore he can't transform. Katakuri: No, Katakuri can most definetely become intangible just like other logia fruits. However, this simply isn't enough against another haki user, thus he avoided Luffy's attacks just like other logia users have already done in the series. An explanation for why Katakuri's df is special might simply be because he is awakened. As you said yourself, paramecias fall into 3 categories (creator, mutator and affector). The best theory to this date is by awakening your df you unlock the other categories of the paramecia class (Doffy and Katakuri being creators, turning the surrounding area into their df subtance, thus using the affector category) In Katakuri's case he might just have gone one step further than Doflamingo in turning his body into mochi, thus using the mutator category.

[@cadenchampion3244]

I heard somewhere that the chilly chilly fruit turns the eater into cold, not ice.

[@qaz010wsx]

Caden Champion I believe you heard right.

[@antitheist3206]

Well "cold" is more of an absence of heat, so to turn into cold Aokiji turns his body into something that pretty much everybody agrees is cold: ice.

[@stefan_c.76]

Caden Champion his ability is to turn into ice. What you just defined is negative body temperature manipulation.

[@randomcatname7792]

Rex Redfield ... his ability is, in fact, to control cold.. he turns his body into cold, thus freezing the water vapor in the air to make ice. Ace, for example, could not produce heat without using fire, as he had the flare flare fruit.. Aokiji, on the other hand, *can* make things cold without ice.

[@stefan_c.76]

Jason Ortiz that is no negative body temperature manipulation. He just has the ability to lower the temperature in all things to an insane point. Yet he shouldn't be able to walk or talk or move at all or even regenerate himself from ice since he does not control ice. If his power was indeed what you described he would create ice by lowering the temperature to a certain point. But Aokiji seems TO BE ICE HIMSELF. At Marineford, he's crushed by Whirebeard and then just recomposes himself from mere ice.

[@giorgit5252]

Dude i encourage you to do more top ten videos. Trust me if i'm not put to sleep after long-ass youtube video and i'm still in till the end it means they're really good. I'm not saying this one was bad or anything.

[@EvilCrash3000]

actually, katakuri IS intangible, just like a logia. the only reason he couldn't be against luffy and had to dodge his attacks by morphing, is because luffy can use haki.

[@EvilCrash3000]

Turbo Savage 900 when was it ever stated that he isn't intangible? Explain yourself

[@EvilCrash3000]

Turbo Savage 900 so what does he say then exactly?

[@camhd9754]

fag "The major strength of this particular fruit, the darkness the user turns into that swallows up everything, is also its major weakness. Since the darkness also absorbs attacks, the user of the fruit is still vulnerable to attacks, which do not pass through the darkness they turn into. If they fail to absorb an attack in time, the user can be hurt like any other normal human being or even more, as stated by Teach."

[@EvilCrash3000]

Turbo Savage 900 dude, i'm talking about katakuri............

[@EvilCrash3000]

Turbo Savage 900 yes but that was because haki was used

[@gonzaurra1]

Mr.1 was the one that gave me more trouble to classify, even more than Magellan or Katakuri but I already realized that he is also a Paramecia, thanks for clarifying

[@roguestoney8016]

Anything one piece any time 👍

[@lunerblade13]

3:30 just to make a correction on your logic but in specific cercumstances logia users can be hit by conventional attacks. the thing about a logia is that they have two forms like how a zoan usually has three. logias have their flesh and blood form and their intangible form. how a logia is seen as invincible is that professionals like ace crocodile and smoker can convert their bodies on reflex in order to avoid attacks coming to them. those who are not as professional like sabo and tashgi (during the small time that she was in smokers body) have to actively focus on the parts of their bodies that they want to convert into their intangible forms. bottom line if you catch a logia user off guard (like when luffy hit smoker and ace from behind in alabasta) the logia user would never have the time and awareness to convert his or her body. this is why armament haki is so useful as it can bypass that intangibility so when a logia user meets up with a haki user they have to be weary on when they convert their bodies as seen with smoker vs vergo where all smoker did was make himself a larger target by spreading his smoke body (albeit though smoker only did that to retrieve law's heart)

[@Le_Critic]

You forgot the Beta Beta no Mi a paramecia who many at first assumed was a logia .

[@aceclover758]

Yea cuz there was an error in both the anime and manga where Ussop cut Trebol into 3 pieces horizontally.

[@Quran_eee]

whats this fruit

[@Nyrufa]

@@Quran_eee It's the Sticky Sticky fruit, and it gives the eater the power to produce and control some kind of adhesive goo from their body.

[@Quran_eee]

Nyrufa Lol I liked the “goo” thing :))

[@kodey1m]

Awesome to see someone talking One Piece lore. I'm really enjoying your videos so far. In anycase with the topic of this video it is very common for humans to classify things to make things simpler to keep track of. But because nature doesn't design things with classification in mind there are often cracks and oddities in classification. Things the blur the lines. For example plants largely evolved from algae. But they possess both mitochondria and chloroplasts. These organelles actually evolved from bacteria that once had a symbiosis with plant ancestors but ended up becoming part of them down the road. Does this make plants bacteria? Not really. But some part of them was bacterial in origin. Similarly no one designed Devil Fruit to be classified. They are an aspect of the world they exist in. So the classifications people used to keep track of them won't always be so smooth. Logia sometimes behaving like Paramecia and Zoan sometimes acting like Logia etc. Actually once more with the comparisons to taxonomy. Paramecia is a blanket classification for convenience like the kingdom Protoctista or the Class Reptile (which excludes birds despite the fact that many reptiles are actually closer related to birds than other reptiles). Also I agree with others. Your intro is too long and needs cutting down. You need a really good, exciting intro to justify a long length. Your intro is passable but ultimately does not achieve that.

[@chupekea2405]

Poison can't be found in nature?

[@antitheist3206]

The Illuminati created poison and gave this weapon to animals. But the legion of doom is covering this up so keep it on the hush hush.

[@BruteDion]

Since when has Poison not be found in nature? Never heard of Golden Poison Frog?

[@antitheist3206]

Dion Landphier Hence his question mark.

[@chupekea2405]

Dion Landphier ya I know, just asking because he said it couldn't when explaining why the poison fruit isn't a logia

[@rja62b]

the poison that magellan creates is more like an acid i dont think the fictional kind of poison magellan can make can be found in nature. lol idk

[@GreycatRademenes]

The way I always explain Yami Yami fruit is that since Blackbeard is essentially a black hole, he spreads "inside" becoming denser and increasing his gravity 6:30 *spoiler* I also feel that the Special Paramecia qualities for this fruit is that it makes Katakuri only partially intangible since he consiously bends away to avoid an attack rather than gets hit and turn into element. It might be to avoid Haki punches, but we also saw this when Ichiji tried hiting him with normal punches.

[@zackmaxius9725]

it is actually naturally occurring thing which poison is and also rubber I am just pointing out paramecia can use naturally occurring objects/forces/elements doesnt change the fact magellan and luffy are still only paramecia and poison is naturally occurring

[@MrDulux666]

why ? the only argument about magellan not being a logia is that poison isnt a force of nature or element, but it is he easly could be

[@morningivy]

Michał Dulęba No, the other argument is that he can't control poison outside of his own force.

[@moonie1825]

Will Of Fire you don't know that, the argument is he cannot become poison.

[@morningivy]

MOONIE No, we do know that. He's a paramecia type, they don't exert influence of forces outside their body.

[@moonie1825]

Bullshi!! Alot of paramecia's have manipulated forces outside of their own bodies.

[@abubakaralsiddiqmohdnaser5432]

good job dude. it makes me clear about both of this fruit. Btw please make a fact video about all yonko that we didnt know especially shank.

[@bryan23fco]

Is this video even necessary?

[@ramonmendez125]

I haven’t even started watching the video yet, but I appreciate you doing this! I need the clarification

[@ratillecebrasquedubitantiu4451]

The thing about the yami yami no me is that it makes the user more susceptible to physical attacks, but after the attack completely negates the effects. Blackbeard can be hit by non haki based attacks, but the attack leaves no lasting damage. The yami yami essentially makes blackbeard a sepf repairing shield. Im also sure katikuri got reclassified to expand on the paramecia awakening aspect. To further show what awakening can be. I can see why people thought luffy was a logia because he is almost impervious to all non haki based physical attacks. Great video by the way, made me think abf consider other viewpoints

[@viktorschwarz8503]

And second command or question. Is the wax fruit of mr.3 also a special logia fruit? Reason wax is a nature element of CHx atoms carbon hydroxid and this is a nature element. And he has also not the possibility to turn completly into wax so in my opinion its comparable to the yami yami no mi

[@Usagizaka46]

This is actually really useful, creating interesting discussion. Dr Vegapunk would be proud. The classifications of DFs can often be confusing when strange ones appear, but having this system laid out makes it easy for anyone to grasp. Luffy is a Logia... HAHAHAHAHA

[@dingiraprazasna8888]

a substance is a compound which is composed of different elements present in nature. keep clear bro

[@curtisjackson4090]

Agreed. And that would also apply to starch... aka mochi

[@AnimeWorld-cx7du]

Though I already know the difference between Logia and paramecia, I do have a better understanding of paramecia in point taking luffy's power for example, paramecia is the ability to manipulate, alter, control (or some cases produce like the poison-poison fruit) different types of matter either on the body or the environment, which would explain the mochi-mochi fruit. And then awakened peramecia powers then pushes those abilities further into what they can alter around them, do that would mean that black beard's power are logia (due to it's special nature), he cannot alter, control or manipulate shadows or darkness in or around him, even though he cannot become darkness as 2spooky said it would mean to become nothing, also as 2spooky said water logia can hit fire logia, so since there's light everywhere in the world and at the War Of The Best, Black Beard was fighting in broad day light, so that probably means that natrual light alone (and I'm guessing here) no matter what kind would stop the dark-dark fruit from causing it's consumer to become darkness

[@SuperUltimategeek]

Just wondering... Where were we told that logias are forces or element found in nature? Was it actually stated? Or was that an assumption made based on the first group of logia fruits we were introduced to?

[@Jaythepanda96]

I love this video,thanks 2spooky.

[@jaycenteno8385]

Very informative stuff!

[@jinx00723]

THIS WAS NEEDED!!!

[@MarvelousPhilly]

Thanks for the knowledge, son. I learned something new. Much appreciated. Thumbs up!

[@KimJuaniLLy1]

Great explications dude, deff but some things into perspective

[@ethanpearl9011]

Thanks for the explanation! Good video

[@cadavid941]

Thsi is why i think the darkness fruit (forgot its name) doesn't work as a logia fruit: Its because of the light that weakens him for example like said in the video its natural weakness can hurt it so it would make sense and thats also a reason why they put a blanket over whitebeard so blackbeard can use his fruit like a logia (i hope it makes sense)

[@SchazmenRassir]

Very informative. I long thought that it was basically that Logias become a substance AND can produce/control it, while Paramecias can only do one of those.

[@magikarpwillsurvive2695]

12:54 Thank you for separating the differences in a T-chart!

[@Waterfalloftruth]

Where was oistas kid in the Other fruit Video? Where you go over all types?

[@mutantemolina3708]

It always seemed logical that if BBeard is immune to akuma no mi abilities, he can't be immune to normal attacks. Although some of these fruits are truly OP, they always seem to have some sort of balance in this regard. If a person gains some ability it always comes at a price.

[@ninjahombrepalito1721]

This ia very helpful. Thank you.

[@DavyDave1313]

2Spooky favorite phrase: “we’ll talk about that one later/another episode.”

[@Aggroculture110]

Thanks that was highly educational haven't gotten the opportunity to watch one piece outside of cartoon network.

[@ProjectDT88]

By the definitions you put in here, would you characterize the Logia fruit from movie 4, the Candy Candy Fruit, which gives the person the power to create, control, and transform into candy syrup as a special paramecia? It is not a natural element but has logia powers.

[@nat_could_be_here1629]

i was real confused cuz of Magellan and this really helped. to thank you i subscribed

[@therandombats2579]

+2Spooky Ever thought about doing a One Piece video on the plot holes or elements that still doesn't make sense to this day? You sure did clear a lot about the Logias and Paramecias

[@Vortex-qb2se]

Well, I agree that it's a Logia type because Blackbeard said it and it's anime, not real life, but you cannot convince me that darkness is an element or force of nature. Darkness, as you said, is simply the absence of Light (Photons). Unless we discover and prove the existence of particles that are the opposite of photons, darkness is simply nothing. It is not an element, nor a force of nature.

[@benjamindorough6129]

Didn't even realize there was confusion over the Yami Yami No Mi.... it was very well explained. I literally knew all of this and learned nothing lol. One Piece expert I guess.

[@theoverseer393]

I like the idea of a paramecia awakening being similar to the special paramecia powers. considering zoans can awaken and so can paramecias, there's no reason why it cant be that his mochi ability couldn'tve awakened into a special paramecia. now I do wonder what kind of insane abilities logia can do. I shudder to imagine their capabilities.

[@obknoxx8346]

If you're still looking for material to compare and contrast try shikai vs bankai. You could also attempt to discern differences between zanpakuto releases, arranca and espada weapon releases and sternritter releases/abilities

[@Todie85]

Hey man, I have seen a lot of your videos. Mostly out of interest, to find answers that anime won't give its users freely and because even just your theories are fun to speculate with. Wanted to supply some material for your future vids, if you see it fit. I think paramecia devil fruits should have sub categories; so for example, luffy's devil fruit would classify as a "Defensive" sub type: why? Because it has defensive or protective static properties- Luffy had to actively learn how to use it as an offensive tool in combat. Mochi Mochi Nomi is neither actively defensive or offensive- so it can stay in the sub type "special". Mato mato- the mark and throw devil fruit would be classified as a "utility" devil fruit- which is useful only if certain circumstances are met - the user touching a target. Offensive paramecia devil fruits would probably resemble more mister 5 's - it has outright offensive capabilities, which would require the user to train hard in order to "tone down" so it can be employed statically for defensive purposes. Zoan devil fruits could have sub cats as well, but they already kinda do- and it is not as necessary as it is for Paramecia- because paramecias come in so many varieties... Anyway, thanks for your constant uploads and content! I will be watching. A loyal fan.

[@2Spookster]

Appreciate the support, my guy. Definitely an interesting idea to look into!

[@darkremnantsftw722]

Confused from difference at first but later I think got it so are you saying that if it in it’s own way Logia or parmaecia is down the middle it’s considered either special logia or para right

[@loganfoster9194]

Love your videos but god damn those intros are great for making a coffee some lunch and to play a game of overwatch before the video starts

[@thomasprindeville1468]

Hey I appreciate you I just started the anime a couple months ago and now I'm where luffy is breaking out Ave from prison and the warden confused the shit out of me. I thought he was poison but then he was solid.

[@nickasyraf7818]

agree with you...too many people who misunderstood from fans who think they knoww evrything about onepiece

[@paquibotjasonb.1423]

so the new admiral the raging tigre is a logia type because he controls gravity which is a force of nature but don't have intangibility like black beard am I right?

[@Teddy_Gautier]

Excellent video

[@Yama973]

3:21 ''even tho ice is solid, it still allows attack to pass through the individual. Granting Kuzan intangibility.'' This couldnt be further from the truth. Aokiji can be hit by normal attacks without haki. He has to do the same thing Katakuri does. Which is to make a hole in his body where the attack is going to hit. Aokiji is NOT ''intangible'' Edit: Also Katakuri's devil fruit the Mochi Mochi no mi is a lot like logia's but what you are saying is that it is exactly the same except its not a ''natural element'' therefore its now a paramecia which also is false. Though his devil fruit is a lot like logia's he is not ''intangible'' or ''invincible'' he can still be hit even without haki aswell. He has to do the same thing Aokiji does, which is once again make empty spots in his body where attacks are going to land. Thats why his future seeing ability is so extremly important for him to have because now he can actually see a bit in the future so he can avoid all the hits as if he was a logia user. Luffy clearly stated this 3 chapters ago where he says ''I thought you were invincible!'' ''because even though armament haki is supposed to make people take form, and even though armament works on logia users, it passed straight through you!'' ''the crazy thing about you isnt your mochi powers!'' ''its your observation haki, isnt it?!''

[@TheArQu]

katakuri doesn't take physical damage in the same way Luffy doesn't, he needs haki just to counter another haki

[@FrostMetsuFeelingit]

what's the song that plays from 6:00 onwards with the electric guitar

[@nshv1190]

Tx it was pretty helpful, the wax wax no mi, and Picca devild fruit were unclear to me (among few more) and now i know they r paramica for sure... Tx

[@zhews6949]

Can somebody explain to me, in one piece movie 4, Gasparde ate ame ame no mi or candy candy fruit and he stated he ate logia fruit. Although candy is unnatural, how can it considered as logia ?

[@cbear3476]

Borderlands facts video another great video

[@ookii8746]

i love you vids

[@zerotwo5132]

Blackbeard cannot turn into darkness because the darkness pulls in his body every time he tries to transform into darkness itself.

[@playerZ3R0123]

Great video. I don't understand why Doffy's awakening is said to be like a Logia, he is still just controlling strings the only addition is that he can now turn other stuff into strings so he has more of them, it's not like he is turning his body into strings. And Blackbeard can become darkness, but it just doesn't negate the damage he takes it only absorbs it, so he takes all of it... but that only happens because his body is darkness. We also don't know that Katakuri can be hurt by regular attacks, the fists that he was avoiding had haki

[@Regalya]

Great Video! Darkness can not consume lightning. Neither gravity or even a blackhole. Also Enel has strongest attack power ammoung all logia fruits.

[@andreaschristodoulou7797]

What about the hito hito no mi: dabura (df of sengoku) which is considered as a mythical zoan/logia however with your conclusion should be considered as paramecia

[@Aladato]

Special Logia = Paramecia Special Paramecia = Logia

[@Drqonic]

12:47 Eustass can control Magnetism, of which is a fundamental force of nature. He can definitely produce it too since he can literally lift items weighting up into the tons, of which they definitely don't naturally have that much electromagnetic radiation given off.