The truth about EV charging

[@adamkoppekin]

Few things, 1) you can charge at 7-11 without the app, just use the tap to pay on the cc reader. 2) look for 350kw charger (would charge that car from 10-80 in about 18 minutes) 3) the vehicle you're driving comes with 3 years free charging with Electrify America, 4) Dallas has very few charging stations. In SoCal there's one every 50 feet.

[@NewCarSpin]

Everything you mention doesn't exist. It's almost as if you assume everything in Amerika is consistent, convenient, and true. An app is required. 90Kwh is the max at this location even on CCW charging. If charging was free, it would have been included with their own vehicle, but even so, the nearest EA charger is in Denton, a mere 1 hour away (not the "every 50 feet"). So as much as you tout "convenience" the reality is that I wouldn't let your mom borrow an ev bc she would be stranded and frustrated without a ev owners training course.

[@adamkoppekin]

@@NewCarSpin I agree, hence number 4... That's the sad reality of Texas... And a key reason why they don't sell the GV60 in Texas yet. My 76 year old parents have an e Tron in socal and have no issues charging etc. It's definitely a regional thing.

[@JoseMendoza-gq1bx]

We drive 130 miles a day (yes even weekend) on our Tesla and charge at home. Our 'Monthly' ...yes Monthly charging cost comes out to $85. People and fear porn lol. People have to do some thorough research before they freak out. Don't get an EV if you don't have ways to charge at home, no brainer.

[@spock7of961]

The key is you have to have a home charger at least 240v and charge at home. Lower cost and way more convenient. if you don't have that it's not worth it. By the way your phone has a calculator.

[@briannedry5346]

Pretty much, you need home charging for owning a EV. Plus your Tesla rant about slowing down R&D is crazy. Those car companies had plenty of time to figure out alternative propulsion systems and bring then to market which some tried admittedly but they couldn't make it as compelling as Tesla did. I'm with you though on Toyota and the way they are approaching electrification.

[@briannedry5346]

Also currently most people buying EVS have a gas car also. If you have multi cars at home and they're both gas cars I would consider replacing one with a EV or Plugin Hybrid or at least a plain hybrid like Toyota Camry, corolla, Ford maverick etc...

[@NewCarSpin]

Listen to yourselves.... so ev owners have homes and multiple cars. Okay...

[@mjsabie8517]

@@NewCarSpin ummmm that’s not exactly what he said. He said EV’s currently don’t make sense (to him) I if you can’t have a home charger. I would tend to agree. That’s not saying everyone that owns one has a home and multiple cars. Numbers tend to back him up as current data shows over 80% of ev charging is done at home. I don’t know the numbers on this one but I would bet that many people that own an ev also have a gas car at home. I have ordered a Cadillac Lyriq and my wife will be keeping her Hyundai Palisade. So we will be in that category.

[@jaybenton3160]

I bet your phone has a calculator on it

[@MarioDallaRiva]

Ah, Bryan, I always appreciated your straight shooting commentary 👏🏼👏🏼 Refreshing, especially with automotive content. Bravo, dude.

[@starrick557]

What a shame that you spent (at least) 20 mins rambling and complaining about EV's (and just everything else that came to your mind along the way). I mean, you opened the video with "there's not even a place I can get a cup of coffee" yet you're sitting in a 7-Eleven parking lot. You seemed to insinuate that there's sketchy people around you but they clearly are just admiring the very car you're busy trashing. Because YOU fumbled with the app doesn't mean everyone else will. You could have simply paid via CC, but instead you rambled through the trashing of how you need to install an app. By the way, if you would have read the instructions... it says you just DL the app, and then EITHER scan or enter the station ID (not both, but you made it seem like you had to do both). You only need to install the app exactly ONCE, not each time you go to charge (not that big of a deal). About mid way through the video (which is all I made to) you state "yeah, this is EV charging life". No its not... actual EV owners know that if you don't have a home charger, its not worth getting an EV. I own an EV, and actually own a GV60. I've had it two months and have yet to charge once outside of home... however, if I did need a charge on a trip, I would only add what's needed to get me to my destination (and then use a destination charger). And, do you really feel that electricity should be free for you? You said "this isn't adding up", like you're somehow being scammed. Its sad that you don't understand that this business spent probably around .5million to install that charging station you were at and that you're on a retail property that operates for profit. They're providing you a service and if you don't want it, can't afford it, or just don't need it... don't use it. Honestly, if you would have complained about them not running you out a free breakfast burrito while you waited I would not have been surprised (although you did take the opportunity to complain about them not having any when you walked inside). Go back and watch your own video and you'll hopefully see how negative you are on just about everything that comes to your mind (it's such a put-off). EV's are not for everyone. We get it, you like gas cars so that's cool man... rock on with gas. I find my EV perfect for what I need and I'd rather put my "gas money" into the equity of the car instead of the oil industry... but, that's me. I have a home charger that gives me a full charge each morning so I have nearly zero charging worries. One last thing... I feel bad for the guy you were a dick to who was just asking you about the car and complemented you on it. You acted like you were someone special and just too good to talk to the guy. You should have been honest and told him you were just a KZbinr with 18k subscribers and you somehow convinced a local dealer to lend you a car to review. Sorry, but that's my 2 cents and nothing personal. Hopefully you take it as constructive criticism for your next video.

[@NewCarSpin]

You come off as very opinionated about yourself, and therefore, rightfully entitled. Congrats on your purchase decision.

[@42dunbar]

GV60 comes with 3 years of free 30 minute charge sessions at Electrify America. Doesn’t help if you don’t have one near your condo/home. But they normally have at least one properly fast 350kW charger which will do 10-80% in 18 minutes.

[@NewCarSpin]

Let me put this into perspective. Dallas Fort Worth has a population of about 7.75M people. There are 4 Electrify America locations with 14 total 350kwh ccw stations in the metroplex. A 1 hour drive round trip for a 16 minute charge doesn't work.

[@amigatommy7]

One of the majors is putting chargers in the gas stations they own in Europe.

[@gethecar]

I think what you're trying to say is right now EV's aren't practical.

[@amigatommy7]

Might turn off the front motor in "Eco" mode like the Hyundai. Best milage.

[@MosesMind]

I appreciate you for making videos like this for us, because I really thought charging was suppose to be cheaper than fueling

[@mjsabie8517]

I think he found the most expensive charging station possible. EV go in my area starts out at $0.30 per minute and goes down to $0.24 per minute if you have a membership ( which is $6.99 per month). And electrify America is $0.31 per kWh.

[@stanleylee5242]

Sorry but I have to totally disagree with you. It’s A LOT cheaper to charge at home(10-15 vs $40-50 that you mentioned. I drive less than 200 miles per day like most people in this world thus it would make sense for owning an EV. Most importantly, I love the quietness, ride and quickness of electric vehicles.

[@NewCarSpin]

Charging at home is a luxury that not many people have.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

@@NewCarSpin Nope, it is a luxury that most people (who would want to charge a car) do actually have. Depends on the country obvs but in the US near 80% of car owners (not people, car owners) have an off street space where they could charge a car either from existing socket or getting one installed.

[@starrick557]

@@NewCarSpin Why is having a plug such a "luxury"? Same plug you'd have for an electric cloths dryer or electric cooking range.... not all that uncommon. Could even use a normal outlet if you don't drive a bunch of miles.

[@stitch0666]

It's definitely not for everyone. I have a Hummer EV, it gets about 310 miles of range , which will take me to work for a full week. We have free chargers at work and since I work third shift, no one else uses them. So I normally charge Thursday night for the weekend and then Monday night for the rest of the week. I have not had to pay in the 6 months I've had it. I do also own a gas vehicle if I need to take a trip.

[@NewCarSpin]

Do you still have it?

[@the_ccCreator]

First time encountering your channel. I won't restate all the things that so many people have said here, but I will echo the sentiment. You clearly entered this experience with a gear to grind against EVs and nascent technology. Almost everything you said was needlessly negative. Your decision to charge at 7-11 where the cost is obviously inflated, screams to the fact that you are far from the typical savvy EV owner who responsibly researches how to use and maximize the efficiency of their car. I say that as a person that owns an EV, lives in an apartment and has no issue with charging away from home. And you must be driving the car like a bat of of hell for your "review" purposes, and trying to equate that to average people's everyday use. At 99% you are getting 194mi estimate. My GV60 is currently sitting at 89% right now and estimated 235mi.

[@NewCarSpin]

What? Go to a fad away city (if you can) and charge it as quickly as possible. EV stations aren't abundant or convenient. So don't do any research as to where you're going in this distant city. Just get there and charge. Or, argue with me to prove my point.

[@the_ccCreator]

@@NewCarSpin That’s exactly my point, savvy EV users RESEARCH their route and charging options because they understand that the infrastructure can’t support EVs in certain areas. They don’t just hop in the car and wander off without having their charging plans. In specific Genesis themselves don’t even have dealerships that sell the EV60 in certain states that have a really weak infrastructure to help head off potential customers who are trying to move like you are. And you still didn’t address your mileage estimate being way off based on you driving the car for testing purposes and not everyday use. Long story short, you are NOT a candidate for an EV, 1. because you don’t have home charging and 2. because your area/state doesn’t have ample public charging, 3. Because you don’t research and went to the most expensive charging station you could stumble across.

[@the_ccCreator]

And just to be clear, I drove to work yesterday, back home to pick up my girlfriend, then drove to the next town over for dinner and back home, and this morning my charge is still at 83% with and estimated 217 miles. Your estimate numbers are way off. Are you driving around in sport mode and hitting the boost button every 4 or 5 miles??

[@MyScoutTraveler]

Is there copper in those charging cables? I'm surprised that they're still there and not stolen. 😣

[@NewCarSpin]

Let me tell you.... those cables are heavy and nobody's grandmother will be able to use them. I can't imagine how this setup passes the American Disability Act.

[@mattharker9212]

I love the fact you say you’ve got 30 minutes to hang out and charge your car…….but you don’t have the time to figure out the infotainment statement. EV’s range is heavily dependent on how you drive. So if you are in Sport mode and punching it all the time - that will affect the miles per kilowatt hour. But I do agree with you on the infrastructure - absolutely dismal unless you are driving a Tesla. When you buy an ‘off-brand’ of EV, you are only getting 50% of the equation. The charging network is not there (disgusting) and now you know why you see so many Tesla’s. They have 100% of the equation (car + working charging system).

[@MacTX]

Owning an EV for people without at home chargers must be a nightmare. There are a lot of people in that situation. As awful as the Teslas are as far as the build quality, I think people put up with it because of the supercharger network and the ease and integration. So what happens to the car when the battery loses its useful life? Do we just discard them like we do our phones because replacing the batteries are more expensive than just replacing the car. 22:40 I would be surprised if we're anywhere near that scenario by 2040. They will want to fleece people as long as possible. People tend to turn a blind eye to EV negatives in order to try to promote and push them for basically virtual signal purposes. When you really look into it, it's a lateral shift from ICE to EV. We're just trading one set of problems for another set and fooling ourselves into thinking it's greener.

[@IRLSuperb]

I would like for you to look at the build quality of a Tesla made after 2021 and tell me that the build quality is bad. As someone who has experience with Tesla engineers and workers that actually deal with the production of Tesla I can tell you there’s a lot of things people don’t understand about the factories in how they have been changing over the last 6 months. It’s very difficult to mass produce a product and up until 2022, tesla was relying on one US factory that was outdated and one Chinese factory that was UPDATED but we never got their Teslas here in the US…. However, with the new US factory in Texas, things have changed quickly. And regarding to the rest of your comment I agree that EV’s are still something that are more convenient if you have your own home. The good thing is speaking about Tesla, they are opening the Nationwide superchargers to Every other EV… This should make it better for everyone

[@JoseMendoza-gq1bx]

Not sure what this rant is about. But the Tesla Model S that's been out for over 10 years are still going. Your typical ICE vehicle is usually traded in after 3-5 years and before then with massive tranny or engine problems. Batteries with 10 year warranty incase you forgot. Seems like you are biased with the new trend. It's ok, nothing you can really do anyway since new law stats by 2030 vehicles made from that point on will have to be Non-ICE engines. Progress is slow but its getting there. There are more issues with ICE engines and lesser warranty then on a EV vehicle. EV cars clearly have a larger advantage, otherwise people wouldn't be buying it. Logic is hard.

[@MacTX]

​@@JoseMendoza-gq1bx Trading in an ICE vehicle after 3-5 yrs is probably more a personal choice. Moderately taken cared of ICE vehicles last a long time, longer than you're trying to suggest, and well taken care of ICE vehicles last decades. I routinely see ICE vehicles on the road that are over 30 yrs old, common every day cars driven by ordinary people. Some in pristine condition and some some duct tape and bungie cords. If your ICE vehicle tranny or engine is giving out in 3-5 yrs, you probably shouldn't be buying from that particular make or model. 10 yr warranty on an EV battery is false comfort. A well made and maintained EV battery should be able to last longer than that with a usable life. We already have real world examples of replacing batteries on an EV out of warranty being a nightmare, more expansive than what the vehicle is worth. That will only accelerate as more of these EV batteries past their prime. I haven't seen a genuine attempts by these EV makers to actually address the coming problem. Reusing out of prime EV batteries in other projects isn't a solution, it's a pushing the dirt under the rug and hoping people forget it's there. Here in the US, we have states that enacted legislation to phase out new ICE sales by 2030 or 2035 not nothing on a national level. The Federal government has pledge to phase out buying ICE vehicle for federal use by 2030 via an Executive Order but that has no real baring on the people and as it's an EO it's not iron clad, much flimsier than laws passed by the legislator. The problem with a lot of these "goals" is recent world events puts a lot of those goals in doubt as to feasibility in implementation. The raw materials needed are controlled by countries that either aren't very fond of the US or hostile. Not the mention that the amount of these materials that would be needed to even challenge the dominance of ICE vehicles on US road isn't practical if reasoning behind it all was green. If EVs were as superior as you're trying to suggest, time mandates, legislative threats, or incentives wouldn't be necessary to get people to migrate to them. People would do it willingly.

[@MacTX]

@@IRLSuperb I still read stories of new Tesla owners running in build quality issues. One of the more public people is a channel called Canadian Prepper who just bought a Tesla for business use. His review on his channel of his experience is interesting. Confirmation bias is a powerful thing but he manages to tell you his experience without fluffing it up. I haven't been interested in Teslas since about 2020. What Audi and Hyundai is doing with EV is more interesting to me than what Tesla is doing. Personally, I'm waiting to see what Honda and Toyota will do.

[@iSlandeRon]

That charger be trolling. @3:50 the screen says number 1 is ccs and number 2 is chademo. Then you can see the stickers on the charger they're labeled opposite. 1 is chademo and 2 is ccs

[@NewCarSpin]

Good catch! We should tell @7eleven

[@mowcowbell]

News flash! Thanks for showing us that people who don't have access to home charging shouldn't own a EV.

[@BunnyandBman]

It always amazes me how people that don't live with an EV complain out the wazoo about the initial setup. Yes it is initally a bit more involved but you could have all avoided it by being already prepared for it. You are way better off charging at home charging at 0.12 cents per kwh. I see the public charging stations just as a top off if needed as they are indeed quite a bit more expensive. If you do live in an appartment with no on site level 2 charger, gas is still a better bet at the moment. I commute 120 mile roundtrip and it cost me 4 dollar in electricity and the driving experience overall is way more plesant especially in stop and go traffic.

[@NewCarSpin]

Proof that ev drivers don't understand math. GV60 averages 500wh/mi. If you pay $0.12/kwh and drive 120 miles on your commute, that's $7.20. Far cry and almost double the $4 you claim - using your own data for the calculations. No wonder why you're amazed at why people complain.... your math is wrong!

[@BunnyandBman]

@@NewCarSpin Nice try... lmao, I am driving a Mini Cooper SE electric with a 30kwh battery and getting 4.5+ kwh/miles , how about you ask questions first before assuming ... like I said, how about you do your research first before complaining? But hey that would not make for a great lets bash the electrics video ...

[@TrainsFerriesFeet]

I charge at home and drive about 600 miles a month for about $17. I recouped the cost of my charging station in less that a year. I've never been to a charging station that cost as much as the one you went to. BTW, GV60s get free charging at Electrify America. Your video is disingenuous.

[@NewCarSpin]

My video is authentic and there is no need for me to dispute or defend my content from you absurdity. You should have a bicycle if you only travel 20 miles a day. Furthermore, you should walk to lunch and save the planet. Lastly, you are lying about your electricity cost. You're projecting when you say my video is disingenuous. You should stick to tiktok.

[@TrainsFerriesFeet]

@@NewCarSpin You're pathetic and lying to your audience. I know exactly how much my electricity costs. You're probably bought and paid for by fossil fuel companies.

[@rriqueno]

In my case I have to disagree because i charge at home and is so freaking awesome to almost never have to charge in a station. In your case i get it if you cant charge at home because you live in a condo then i don’t recommend getting an EV but if you have s house its great because of how convenient it is to charge and have a full tank while sleeping in your bed

[@NewCarSpin]

So by saying only homeowners should have EVs while manufacturers cull gas models from their product lineup, what you're really saying is that these EV tax incentives are for the rich.

[@shaunmckenna1923]

All you had to do was plug the car in and tap your credit card and you are charging

[@NewCarSpin]

Not at this location. App required.

[@amigatommy7]

A lot Lower amps from the charger too.

[@joloui2035]

hey newcar, mitsubishi mirage or a 60 000$ ev?:) what do u take...

[@NewCarSpin]

Lol

[@joloui2035]

@@NewCarSpin i know buddy, somethings must remain unsaid:)

[@MyScoutTraveler]

Guess you mentioned the business name? They gotcha with the app. 🤣

[@Gladiator-x-21]

EVs aren’t are meant to be “earth friendly” and You can get coffee from 7/11…. Just saying

[@tandoorlove]

You are paying more to charge at a station because the station is a business. They are not there to invest a ton of money in chargers and not expect anything in return. As per your argument, you should be able to buy things for they cost to manufacture.

[@NewCarSpin]

Wrong.

[@xondeez757]

thats because you're super charging.....super charging is a service. you're supposed to have a charger at home or at work for EV's to be super cheap. even if you only super charge electricity is still cheaper than gas.

[@NewCarSpin]

I don't have a choice. Like a lot of people, I cannot charge at home. Your justification sounds like evs are only suitable for the middle class.

[@starrick557]

@@NewCarSpin Ha. So, if it has a price tag on it that you cannot afford... what does it matter what "class" you're considered to be in? When gas vehicles first came out, I'm sure only those who could afford the price were the ones who owned them. Makes sense, no? But I'm trying to make this point to a guy who probably would have felt like gas should have been free for him (or, at lease offered at raw cost - like you said about electricity costs in your video).

[@nickgolbahar]

Also your math isn't correct. At all charging stations in California you can fill up your battery for about $10 which I did themath averages 98mpg

[@NewCarSpin]

Really? At $.23/kwh on a 77kwh battery? A 100% charge is $17.71 at the very least. That is a socal Edison electric rate. Nice try.

[@whawkins88]

My EV6 is charged at home overnight on cheap rate electricity. It costs about 1/3 of the cost of diesel per mile. Sure, it could cost more at a rapid charging station, but this would take less than 20 minutes to get to 80%. I'd rather have my EV any day.

[@NewCarSpin]

That's great but many people don't have chargers at home, especially in apartment buildings and condos. And not many people commute to work daily anymore, so charging at work is not always an option. Plus, when traveling, this cost is not avoidable unless you have a way to charge overnight at the hotel- and that's if no other guests are driving evs (and that is more difficult now that Hertz is renting Teslas).

[@whawkins88]

@@NewCarSpin That's true, and I guess I'm lucky to have had a charger installed at home. In the UK more and more are being installed at gas stations and service areas on motorways. If only the UK government would get its act together and have a plan to get more!

[@starrick557]

@@NewCarSpin A hammer is for nails, and a screwdriver is for screws. People without the means to charge at home should not be EV owners... it's not the right tool for the job. You stirred the pot though with your erroneous list of complaints about "EV life" (and everything else) when you're unwittingly criticizing the wrong tool for your job. Don't be mad at the hammer for not being able to turn a screw.

[@tnitron9750]

You nailed it Brian! Love your reviews!

[@amigatommy7]

So much for 7 11

[@splatmacpuffin]

So even if I have a home charger don’t ever take an EV on a road trip. I was getting angry watching this BS. Get a RAV4 Prime or a Venza Hybrid and stop the stress.

[@NewCarSpin]

77kwh on a 1.1kwh 110v home charger will take you 3 days to get a full charge. Good luck with that!

[@splatmacpuffin]

@@NewCarSpin with a RAV4 Prime or Venza Hybrid I wouldn’t need any “luck”. I’d just drive and forget about charging and if I had the RAV4 Prime I certainly wouldn’t install such a low output charger at my home. The bottom line is 100% strictly EV’s are simply not practical for most of us.

[@michaelcole2214]

BS You have no idea. 2mi/kwh means you have been hooning this thing. I get 3.2 - 3.4. Hack.

[@NewCarSpin]

What am I supposed to do? Drive this like a dainty flower? Then tell people how delicate it is? There's a reason why I get to drive these cars. Stay in your lane. If you already own one, shouldn't you be happy with it? Why would you care to watch videos on something you already have?

[@joloui2035]

i would take the bus if those were the only cars available on earth:) ALso, its extremely polluting producing those batteries and disposing. I've seen also charging stations powered by gas:))) Its all b.s., like those ecolo warriors a la dicaprio with huge homes and jets telling u to stop polluting:) its a clown world.

[@NewCarSpin]

Perhaps. I won't jump to conclusions on power source or materials. But I do like the passing power provided by an ev because there's no delay from a transmission.

[@joloui2035]

@@NewCarSpin u should have taken the bus today and u would be home sooner even with all that passing power:)

[@Irondiesel]

N.Y. public charging cost $0.31 and home charge is $0.05 kw. But don't post that your afraid to be out and about charging your car in broad daylight. LoL 😄

[@NewCarSpin]

Fuck NY.