The Truth About Minoan Weapons and Warfare

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The academics are always trying to find their ideal world of peace and communism. It has never existed and it never will.

[@nogins]

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[@kosmas173]

Nice video! I'm from Crete and live less than a mile away from Knossos. I always thought that the "peaceful Minoans" myth was an exageration because they were being compared to the Myceneans. If anyone of you wants to come visit Crete for its ancient past or its wanderful landscape you are always welcome! 😁

[@missourimongoose8858]

Whats ur favorite booze from there? (I was going to say whats ur favorite creteish booze but im sure thats not right lol)

[@richardarcher7177]

I tend to believe that the myth persists more as evidence of wishful thinking by those who hold to it despite the fact that, as Dan Davis says, no other society was peaceful in that way and if the Minoans had been that peaceful they would not have dominated trade the way they did, or even lasted.

[@Conrad-c1z]

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[@MikeLiteraus]

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[@squaeman_2644]

I'm pretty sure Minoans sacrificed Mycenaeans...

[@robincowley5823]

The samurai used to compose poems about the falling of a snow flake or a cherry blossom petal... Didn't make them peaceful... :)

[@MrPh30]

Part of bushido is to live each day at the fullest and appreciate the smaller things in life as one dont know what the next days will bring,and in the biggest struggles,one finds peace also.

[@doomoo5365]

The Minoans could have been traders that supplied weapons two surrounding customers

[@willbass2869]

​@@doomoo5365most people who trade in things of that sort often use them.....we call them arms merchants & gun runners

[@sebastianprimomija8375]

​@@MrPh30bushido didn't exist in the Sengoku Jidai when most of those poems were written Bushido are modern ideals anachronistically applied to the Samurai of previous periods.

[@jarlnils435]

The decoration on samurai armor is unpractical, therefore, they did not use armor in warfare. It is just ritual! And because it is dumb to go to war without armor, they did not go to war. The swords, spears, axes, clubs, naginatas, bows and guns, even bombs were all ritual!

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Dan Davis, Creganford, ToldInStone, I do use those three for falling asleep.

[@Badger1776]

Correct. No extra noise.

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

I never believed that minoans were bronze age peaceniks but I always appreciated their fashion sense.

[@sarahwatts7152]

Warm legs, cold chests?

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[@user-McGiver]

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[@arthas640]

All the greatest civilizations have appreciated a good titty

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[@eh1702]

If you think about it, the British Empire was ferociously militaristic - and so commercial that Napoleon called the Brits “a nation of shopkeepers” - yet the subject of much of Georgian, Victorian and Edwarian art was women. Domestic decoration in many parts of the world has traditionally been done by women: it often has a protective or invocational aspect to it. Maybe these idyllic, paradisiacal scenes were to help “make it so” in real life. I wonder if women were painting their idealised version of life around them (and proud portraits of their growing boys). Also - if a fair proportion of the men were sailors, they would be away for months at a time trading / pirating. Travel around the Med was very seasonal with direction according to current and the prevailing winds at different times of year. Women in fishing and seafaring communities do tend to organise/manage village and estate life themselves - the farming year, goods manufacture and often the retail &/or warehousing end of commerce. Places with a lot of the mature males absent are bound to be seen as an opportunity for the sailor-pirates from other places. Another reason for training boys up early.

[@arthas640]

Theres also been a noted drop in sales for violent movies and violent video games in areas with extreme violence like war zones (between states or gangs). I had a friend who lived in a middle class part of Texas but had family in Mexico and despite being very similar culturally he said the Mexican kids tended to play a lot more FIFA whereas the Mexican American kids tended to play more Call of Duty and Halo. The thinking of the study on violent media is that violence is disruptive and we grow sick of it, so we tend to start consuming more idealistic media. Even in WW2 when war films were being produced by the boatload even as the war raged were often either focused on victory and the ensuing peace or they were consumed more by those far from the front line but still invested in the war (like many families back in the US or UK) and even then alot of the war films of the time weren't true art but government propaganda. Also that bit about a nation of shop keepers really shows how important economies are to war. The US was less warlike then much of Europe and Asia during both world wars but out competed Japan and Germany by out producing them and the British were similar against napoleon. Ancient Greece was tiny by population and size but even divided they were able to go toe to toe with Persia, the largest empire on earth, and against the Egyptians because they were THE premier maritime force both in naval warfare and in shipping/trading. Wealth doesn't just mean money itself but also more/better education, engineering, and production.

[@scottschultz6573]

​@@arthas640Amazing comment! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

@@arthas640 a big part to being economically strong in times of war is having the war happen somewhere else. That holds true for the napoleonic wars and both world wars. The strong economic power that was important for the result was far enough away from the actual fighting, that they could put their industry and population to work in relative peace. People fighting to defend themselves might have a home advantage. We can see that right now not too far from here. But they also need to put all they have available for that defense. There is nothing left to produce beyond those defensive needs.

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There is no distinction between these actually

[@OneFlyingTonk]

Not only does this man take notice of his subscribers despite his channel's size, he picks up on a pattern and helps to guide us on what we may need, kudos to you man! On a note with the topic at hand, given how good humans are good at slapping eachother with various objects when disagreements arise, I have always been skeptical of such a successful civilization being "peaceful"...plus the Myceneans probably didn't just show up on Crete and conquer it "just because", they probably accumulated reasons from the Minoans yeeting sling rocks at them.

[@Casmaniac]

It seems so super obvious to me that the reason the Minoans were able to have such a rich and luxurious culture was a result of them having military dominance over their immediate surroundings, perhaps even the wider region

[@tassiek2450]

Indeed.i was born in southern Peloponeese and the amount of Minoan goods exhibited in the local museum's is staggering.found in Peloponeese,even in remote and mountain's regions.so trade and war came hand in hand

[@BawonSamdi1]

wouldn't say miilitary dominance but they were great seafarers which means traders / pirate raiders. and they had several copper mines which was one of the most valuable resources back then and they had incredible conditions for agriculture in Crete as well and deep forests. and their freaking island is like one of the premium locations of the mediterranean because basically everything is protected by the coast, so it was extremely difficult to get ON the island in one piece especially since navigating those early ships was really hard and not precise. I guess the Myceneans officially came in peace but then started a brutal ambush like they did in Troy regarding the myth.

[@tassiek2450]

@@BawonSamdi1 according to modern historians it happened after the volcanic explosion of Thera,modern Santorini.althowh the Minoans rebuiilded their state again the new seafarers from Pelloponeese and the rest of northern Greece of that time set foot little by little in the island.according to Illiad by the time of the Trojan war ,almost all of the Greek tribes concixested peacefully in Crete.the great majority were the Minoans Greeks, but all the others were there ,possibly as traders,mercenaries sailors ,laborers etc

[@Casmaniac]

@@BawonSamdi1 you seem quite confident for such a huge amount of speculation. Question: how can there be "deep forests" on a relatively small island like Crete? lol

[@BawonSamdi1]

@@Casmaniac it is true, seriously :D there are archeological records which are abit more valid than someone writing down fairytales and myths, there are also 3 mountains which are higher than 2000m which is also special for such a relatively small island. but in comparison to most mediterranean islands, Crete is a HUGE island.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

Archeologists and Historians really liked interpreting ancient cultures as peaceful utopias, didn't they? The Mayans, the Cucuteni, the Minoans. You'd think they'd assume that the violence we see and read about throughout all of human history would just be a universal constant.

[@HANKTHEDANKEST]

It's true, moderners LOVE looking for some clear-cut example of the "perfect" civ as some model to aspire to, and "if only we could get back to that, our problems would be solved!" which is just completely silly, magical thinking. Imagine if people in the 55th century looked at the bits and pieces leftover from our civilization and concluded that our society was "clearly peaceful" based on a handful of artifacts and excerpts. Make it harder: nothing we wrote down survives, or if it does it's totally without context and meaning. We're likely never going to understand the Kefti in their own language, so to assume that we "knew" them is pretty wild indeed.

[@pinchevulpes]

19th century archeological ideas that have since been disproven long before you were even born. I think you’re being dramatic or out of touch with the new research.

[@levongevorgyan6789]

@@pinchevulpes Hence the use of the PAST TENSE of like. As in, they did it in the past.

[@heneagedundas]

​@pinchevulpes Yet he goes into detail of more recent research and presents plenty of evidence the Minoans weren't as peaceful as previously claimed.

[@Game_Hero]

What tells you this from the isolated Cucutenis?

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[@kariannecrysler640]

It could be fair to say the culture didn’t seek conflict, but weren’t going to be overcome by it either. I love the idea of a “navy” guarding the coast leaving the inland areas for societal and commerce centers. If I was in charge of Crete in the Bronze Age, I would have set it up that way. The island as a port was necessary for all the surrounding cultures. Focusing on a defensive military would be best. No need to steel land for resources, because the trade had to stop there with their cargos anyway, making an offensive military an unnecessary risk.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

Make taking the island too expensive for any possible rival. Show your fleet to any trader that comes around. They will spread the word of your impenetrable fortress. If someone doesn't believe it, or tries to win in battle anyway, show them that the strength of your fleet is more than just rumors and tales.

[@kariannecrysler640]

@@HappyBeezerStudios yes love it

[@stischer47]

To say that the Minoans didn't conduct war because there were no scenes of war in their castles is like saying the US does not because there are no scenes of war in many of the homes of rich Americans.

[@elizabethford7263]

I was trying to think of a modern analogy.... well done!

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But there are.

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​@@stevenobrien557yeah, and like, Tons of Gun-Saves

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@@rtwfreak2012 Gun-Saves, toys, paintings, media a lot of things in the US depict war lol

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[@bethwilliams4903]

I studied the Minoans in grad school with an expert in Bronze Age archaeology in the 90’s and all I can (still) say is until ‘we’ manage to decipher their language Linear A virtually nothing accurate or definitive can be understood about this intriguing culture - which, I can say, was asymmetrical - literally. Housing structures, painting programmes, stylistic motifs, etc, a completely asymmetrical aesthetic. That is unique. Why, I have no idea, hopefully Linear A, once we can read it, will explain a lot!

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"Malice in Wonderland" is an amazing name for that paper. Great video as always!

[@DanDavisHistory]

Yeah his papers are always creative as well as informative and on exciting, interesting subjects. He publishes a lot too. He seems to love his job.

[@Norralin]

I was just about to write the same myself. Highly chuckle-worthy. Which is the greatest accolade in academia.

[@Stormcloakvictory]

To build such a civilization you need order, for order you need control, for control you need force. That's just within, let alone other societies wanting a piece of the pie.

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[@loopernoodling]

Oh gawd - next thing, someone is going to translate the Harappan texts and discover those inscriptions were all blood-curdling threats and curses! Great video!

[@Replicaate]

That or "Cow for sale, 3 bronze bars or best offer"

[@alexanderren1097]

@@Replicaateor “You sold me poor quality copper ingots!”

[@RocketHarry865]

@@alexanderren1097 Followed by blood curdling threats and curses for those shoddy ingots

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

If they were threats and curses, that only shows those people either had a great sense of humour, or at least were at least great writers of threats and curses.

[@PalHBakka]

Arthur Evans was an Edwardian. The Edwardians believed in Herbert Spencer, who differentiated between "militaristic" and "commercial" civilizations, with Britain as the epitome of a commercial society in contradistnction to the warlike and militaristic society of Germany. He basically projected his own world-vview on the past he dug - and falsified his finds in his publications.

[@Drew_McTygue]

Sadly, this attitude of projecting ones world view onto past societies persists to this day

[@DPRK_Best_Korea]

It's also quite comical to label all of Germany as militaristic, when the various kingdoms and principalities within it were quite different. Aside from Hesse, Schwabia, and Preussen, most German countries/regions were known for craftsmanship and agriculture, rather than war.

[@jayleevt]

The idea that anyone can see Britain as not militaristic is WILD

[@iancavon7125]

I never knew Britain got that vast colonial empire just by means of trade and diplomacy.

[@chriswren1825]

And Britain was a peaceful empire that grew just through trade… 🙄

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

I remember trying to write a novel from the perspective of the Minoans back in 2004 - 2006. The way I tried to approach it was that the Minoan Peace was Imperial propaganda, spread by vassal kings that stood to benefit from Minoan riches. But the actual Minoan Empire was more like Britain during the 1700s, with a powerful Navy that constantly and violently interfered with neighboring Empires, going as far as hiring Achaean "privateers" to harass the Egyptians. Perhaps I will revisit that concept.

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

If you are rich, you don't need an army. You can pay someone to bring you that army. Imagine the minoan king just coming up to some tribal chief "You like gold? You like our copper? You like our dyes and our grain? Help defending our island and I cut you a deal."

[@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319]

@@HappyBeezerStudios If you're a rich nation or region, you definitely need some form of military service to defend it from raiders. But yes it's entirely possible to be rich and defenceless but then you get scenarios like Lindisfarne.

[@Akutabai5]

I took a couple of ancient history classes in college. My professors never implied that the Minoans were peaceful. If anything they more impressed that they didn't fight each other and instead went out of Crete to mess with the ancient Mycenaean. The Minoans were one of the earliest people to develop the sail, which really helped them dominate their little corner of the Mediterranean.

[@mmurray821]

You always do such great documentaries.

[@candylandi5351]

*General spoiler: no ancient people was peaceful.* Good video as usual, when I see a new video from Dan Davis or from Survive the Jive it's always a good day.

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Glad to see this one finally made it over the six-figure-viewcount hump! It certainly deserved it: a wonderful video, as always. Very detailed and very engaging. And hey, looks like I was lucky enough to get the five-hundredth comment, too!

[@bc7138]

The perception of the Minoans in the early to mid 20th century reminds me of how people viewed the Mayans in the same way during the same period. They were considered a group of peace loving astronomers. Then the decipherment of the Maya Code showed that this view was totally wrong and that warfare between Mayan city-states was endemic. If the Minoans had left us a huge cache of texts in Linear A (similar to the ones discovered in Hattusa in Hittite) that could be deciphered and understood today then we would probably have numerous accounts of war. I really enjoyed the video. I hope to see the Minoans covered again.

[@SleepingGiant77]

It's amazing how many myths about the Minoans exist just because Arthur Evans said it was so. There's so much evidence that has been seen since then that not only did these people make weapons, they used them. Hard to have a Thalassocracy without warriors. Once again, archeology matches what we are told by the ancients.

[@EsmereldaWeatherwax-f1s]

Excellent work, well argued. As you point out archaelogists tend to interpret sites from their own times/expereince. This does not make older interpretations "wrong" just different. After all in times to come there will be other interpretations.

[@shadowcrusader2283]

Your videos helped me get through recovering from surgery where I was laid up for months, Now I am going to buy your books, Thanks for doing what you do.

[@DA-nq5cm]

You've got it wrong. Your voice is melodic, & soothing, your stories are delivered at just the right pace to put another human at peace, w the brain being entertained w just enough colorful new information. You & your stories ARE mental health support to those of us who are now forging our way through a stressful world & need some interesting intellectual material to play w as an escape from the tedious real world & real world pace. As you well know, we are NOT designed to live in crowds. Your singular voice comforts & entertains us.

[@antonpressing]

Dear Mr. Dan Davis -- you are simply the BEST, and I never fall asleep enjoying your execellent WORK !!!

[@Sirharryflash82]

No walls or fortifications only means that they felt secure and didn't feel threatened by any outside forces. Doesn't mean they were peaceful. The mythology behind the Minotaur paints them more as bullies.

[@DanDavisHistory]

Some believe Minos, if he existed, was a ruler of post Mycenaean conquest Knossos, and so was a "Mycenaean" himself.

[@Sirharryflash82]

@@DanDavisHistory You know, it's hard to say for sure one way or another. Agamemnon of Mycenae from the Trojan war fame hasn't been found historically. I do however think that the minoans were painted as bullies for a reason. They may not have conquered or raided, but perhaps exacted tribute or a tax of some kind from their mainland Greek neighbors.

[@robertbodell55]

True Sparta famously bragged that their city needed no fortifications because their army was the wall, also the mountainous topography of Lakodamia but that another story

[@37Dionysos]

The "Minotaur" was an Athenian political cartoon about Crete created 1,000 years after them to "justify" the mainland conquest. It has no more historical factuality than a Minoan "king Minos," which no respectable archaeologist has ever (ever) shown.

[@37Dionysos]

@@DanDavisHistory And some believe in flying horses.

[@michaelpotts4001]

Another precious piece of history, and yes you are calming and insightful

[@Shoey77100]

this is what I needed today, thank you

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You have a soothing voice ,great delivery and educated pronunciation.

[@KatherineHugs]

I look forward to your videos, Dan, thanks so much for all of your hard work!

[@craiglongan]

Very well done! Human beings have always been an aggressive, violent species. We kid ourselves if we think that somehow that that was not true somewhere in the past. Archaeologists also at one time believed that the ancient Mayans were a peaceful people; nothing could be further from the truth.

[@chpet1655]

Frankly whenever I hear of this or that society as being peaceful I usually chuckle and shake my head at the naïveté. The Mediterranean was a violent place and still is today

[@franc-kristijangogic8885]

Afaik the story of Theseus states, that Greek cities had to pay tribute to the Minoans. You don't pay tribute to a peaceful neighbour.

[@christianbolze7092]

I remember a lecture from Prof. Diamantis Panagiotopoulos who proposed that the minoan culture was far from being peaceful. Their "legendary" fleet was their "wall" and the fact they may have lost part of their fleet due to disasters may account for their extreme vulnerability to outside threats thereafter. The problem also was that most of the natural forests of crete got destroyed in antiquity by the extensive wood chopping for fleet constructions and for agriculture. Especially in the roman empire this deforestation was so extensive that most of the once wide spread Mediterranean forests disappeared forever and with them a lot of animals (like lions for example who are deeply integrated in greek and pre-greek mythology).

[@RollingThunderModels]

Thank you Dan for another interesting video!

[@M.M.83-U]

Great video, I can absolutely see someone going to sleep with your voice, it's very calming, no mater how gruesom the topics are.

[@EdrickBluebeard]

Always appreciate your videos and research. Thank you, again.

[@gar6446]

Well done. I really like your work and appreciate the depth of your knowledge on these periods.

[@kaneddavis]

Boy you hit a sweet spot for me with this video. I am especially interested in neolithic Crete. I visited Crete and Knossos in the 1980s and have spent decades watching Archeological Journals and digs for current discovery. Prehistoric fauna especially fascinate me.

[@mohammedsaysrashid3587]

Thank you 🙏 ( Dan Davis history) channel for sharing this informative and wonderful historical coverage video about ancient Crete peoples known as ( Minoans ) during bronze age in Mesolethic periods..

[@joeshmoe8345]

Love it, thanks for sharing this with us Big Dog!

[@kaitnip]

The idea that the Minoans were master sword smiths without having a standing army that would need and drive the continuous innovation of the art is... baffling. To say the least.

[@Grimthot]

A new video of Dan Davis is always a good news 😊

[@winkpoke1576]

Im an ancient historian and archeologist who just watches a lot of these for fun. Interesting that you titled this “Martial Minoans”, I just cited a journal article of the same name last week while working on a research grant for Crete lol.

[@DanDavisHistory]

Awesome! If you watch to the end I show the article and mention it and the author. Best of luck with your grant application.

[@winkpoke1576]

@@DanDavisHistoryi saw that right after finishing the comment! I gotta stop commenting before finishing the video lol. Thanks for the good wishes!

[@danvasii9884]

Great video! Many interesting and new things - thanks!

[@raykaelin]

Excellent video!!! I only have one criticism, it wasn't long enough (lol). Seriously, it was really done so well. Thanks for making it.

[@cookiejar01]

Yet another great video. Thank you 😊

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Wonderful presentation and review of the information available.

[@thecookiechannel7083]

Very much enjoyed this well done presentation. Thank you.

[@pendragon6207]

Absolutely stellar shit, as usual! You're really smashing it out of the park lately, loving it. My only complaint is I'd like MORE! :D But I understand the amount of research that goes into every episode, so I can hardly complain.

[@nikbear]

Another fantastic presentation Dan, a true feast for the imagination and soul ❤👏👏👏 🗡

[@TheMercian13]

It’s the same argument for the Indus Valley civilisation being peaceful. It’s a dumb argument. Great video as always Dan!

[@krl97a]

Haven't read the study, but "Malice in Wonderland" is a great title.

[@verity231]

Great, well-researched video as always. I'm not very well versed in the military stuff, so it's alwsys good to learn something new. I didn’t realise that the peaceful Minoans myth was still considered reality by some. Btw, what’s the song playing in the background? Sounds great.

[@DanDavisHistory]

Thanks very much. There's about 12 songs in this I think, glad you like the music.

[@WeareVenom1312]

My friend u deserve millions of views. I thank you

[@DanDavisHistory]

You're too kind, thank you.

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Been to waiting for a new vid and this just popped on my fyp

[@ario2264]

Great video footage of the sites, including Mycenae.

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My man! Just crushing it! Dope.

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Your work continues to be amazing! I'm starting Vampire Khan soon BTW 😁

[@MrAllanstuart]

Outstanding! Many thanks

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Love your work! Looking forward to Gods of Bronze Book 3!

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Great job Dan. 🎉

[@MungoManic]

Excellent video. Reminds me how Australian tribes are viewed as well. Far from being peaceful they often participated in violence and were proud of it

[@gaufrid1956]

Yes, Dan, warfare is ubiquitous. Whether it's between competing clans or tribes (as would have been the case for my Irish ancestors), or between city states or nations, lack of depiction in art doesn't mean war didn't happen. It's certainly also true that many weapons served multiple purposes. Here in the Philippines the traditional "bolo", a machete like blade with a wooden handle, was used mainly for clearing and farming purposes, but also doubled as an effective weapon. A lot of warfare is not depicted in art. Certainly, because the Minoans were a "thallasocracy", they could not have become so without military power.

[@potatoespotatoes296]

thank you for another fantastic video 😊😊

[@gooberextraordinaire]

not gonna lie, ive been putting off going back to school due to indecision for a while now, but because of watching videos like these - and specifically yours, like the one on Ötzi - ive finally found something that makes me want to go to college. thank you for being the catalyst that showed me i want to pursue anthropology!

[@DanDavisHistory]

Thank you very much for watching and I'm glad to hear I've helped your interest in these subjects. I wish you all the best with your studies.

[@BenSHammonds]

very good and enjoyable program concerning peoples of much interest to me, the Neolithic Farmer folk is my top interest and any/all cultures that stemmed from their migrations, as well as any remnant cultures from their day that comes down to us now as legend etc.

[@custardthepipecat6584]

Thanks! The Most awesome content on KZbin

[@DanDavisHistory]

Thank you very much, I appreciate it.

[@kalliaslands9938]

I have been studying the Minoans along with the Medieval Japanese so I see a major parallel. Massive Japanese cities like Kyoto and Nara were not walled well into the Kamakura or high medieval period. I would see the Minoans as being about as violent as Japan was during the Nara and Heian periods. Occasional large rebellions as wars on the island but very peaceful for the time. Given the huge courts I would imagine most incidents of violence would be palace disputes between elites. I have no doubt though that Minoan sailors were involved in a lot of violence abroad.

[@Book-bz8ns]

King Minos didnt find prisoners for the labyrinth peacefully, lol. Dan, you said something at the end there that made me think of something. Reading the sources instead of you... Well, there is something to that, but dont sell yourself short either. I'm certain the value of a good, controlled imagination has just as much validity as the hard science, and those scientists MUST use that imagination to fill in the blanks. You do a spectacular job of bringing both of these aspects to your videos, and still has an entertainment value to boot. What you bring to the table is every bit as valid as alphabeted parchment types. When you do go out on a limb, you don't go too far, its all still quite plausible. Thanks Dan!

[@DanDavisHistory]

Thank you.

[@FranklinLloyd-p2m]

Great video! - thank you.

[@omardarwish958]

2:17 we aren’t depressed ; you’re voice reminds me of my father that’s why i fall asleep

[@sarantissporidis391]

Considering the war like nature of present day Cretans it's hard to imagine that their ancestors were any different. In any case, rough land makes rough people.

[@volfi123]

Well the greek tribe that inhabited Crete were Dorians. Same thing in Sicily and the islands south of Peloponnese. To the present day all these regions share a very similar culture. In ancient and Roman times Crete was renowned for its excellent archers that worked as mercenaries. Those were not Minoan descendants though, they were Dorian greeks

[@dukeon]

Great video as usual Dan. I suspect the Minoans engaged in warfare as needed, though perhaps a powerful navy gave them an excellent first layer of defence. Maybe land warfare became just stagnant and ritualistic enough that when the Mycenaeans (or Sea People) came knocking, they weren’t up to the task of defending their island. Who knows.

[@tweedledumart4154]

Great video. It’s obvious that the Minoans couldn’t have held their leading position in the Cycladic world if they weren’t able to use force. In Tuchidides time they were known to have been a thalassocraty , a sea empire. As you say the frescoes are misleading and we have just a few of them.

[@victoriahhigman9611]

Your voice is soothing!

[@hyperion3145]

There used to be a phase where popular thinkers (not necessarily historians) would assume, that because a society was focused on commercial enterprise, they couldn't also have a military tradition. It's especially prominent when talking about societies like Carthage because they ignore the contemporary sources saying that trade actually led to a rather deep military tradition due to how risky it is. Carthage also has the issue of being compared to Rome like how the Minoans are compared to the Myceneans and therefore "have" to be opposites.

[@martinalarcon3108]

As a Minoan man I love ❤️ taking strolls around town always good twin peaks to look at 😮, women fashion 😮

[@sterkar99]

An argument in favor of the Minoans being less militarized than what we’ve been used to in the ancient world is that the Minoans, as mentioned in the video, are a result of that first big Middle Eastern / Anatolian farmer migration into europe. We know that those people’s culture was less warlike than the later Yamnaya steppe herder culture. Another contrast between them is that the indoeuropean people’s culture and religion was surrounded by a sense of a warlord / patriarch /King being the epicenter of all people’s groups, larger or smaller. Same way as they depicted their gods too. On the other hand, those earlier middle eastern derived farmer populations did tend to revolve their cultures and beliefs around a “mother earth” goddess. Same way you’ve depicted those early people groups on your book Im currently reading, Godborn (yes, I’ve been doing my homework). So yes, the Minoans were possibly less focused on war than their successing Mycenaeans who were the first indoeuropean group in the southern Balkans. But also yes, they did have to worry about war just like everybody else. It has always been a part of human existence. Last thing I want to point out is the intriguing similarity between the Minoan’s love of the bull and how they really took pride in antagonizing them but also relating with them, with the modern Basques, who, being considered the last european people that originate from that extremely old first population of farmers in Europe (at least linguistically) they also seem to have the strongest connection to bulls than all the rest, even outshining the rest of Spain in that aspect.

[@alexanderhanooman]

Thanks again Dan.

[@mnk9073]

The lack of martial depictions in Minoan culture is actually pretty easily explained once we remember that they are essentially a thalassocracy. A land power has use for great champions and large armies of well armed men, depicting generals and heroes in single combat and a mass of marching troops. But there's no "I" in "Navy", no individual glory on a galley and no need for heavy armour, tightly packed ranks or lavish displays of martial prowess. They painted ships and fleets not champions and armies.

[@tbear8839]

Thoroughly enjoyable ❤

[@Shintenpu]

I recognize an image from the Osprey Publishing book 'Early Aegean Warrior'. I recommend it to anyone that likes this video.

[@chriswren1825]

Warfare is what enabled the leisure the minoans seemingly enjoyed. That’s how it works across all civilizations.

[@TheLotan]

Always quality. Can you do some on the Harappan civilization and other Indus River groups?

[@DanDavisHistory]

Thank you. Yes I plan to, have been reading about it.

[@Josephmalenab]

Cheers thanks again for a interesting video

[@googlesmostwantedfrog147]

Very well done and logical I have been to mainland Greece but not Crete, looks like I will have to rectify that

[@jackmorrison5272]

Love all Your content

[@JamesSmith-wn6ws]

I use your videos to get to sleep. but not because thay are boring. On the contrary I find tham very interesting and well presented, I like them so much I brought your books.(thunder series) It'd because you have a smoothing voice and a good cadence. Helps me sleep.

[@andersschmich8600]

They clearly had some form of power projection across the Aegean, so it’s doubtful they were peaceful. I find it’s a similar pattern, ancient ‘lost’ civilization like the Minoans, Maya, Harappa, generate interest, people conclude they were peaceful based on lack of evidence, which is latter proven wrong.

[@gerihuginn]

I think peacetime archeology interests me more than the warfare. I like to imagine what it was like to live in history when life was good