The TRUTH About Neocatechumenate 1/3

[@jackbarker3102]

From a Neo Cat. Some interesting points and I can only comment on my own experience. I have just returned from liturgy. I have only been in the 'Way' for about 9 months. I am engaged to someone that has been in the 'Way' for 30 years. I am not even Catholic so the rumours of no 'outsiders' is not my experience. Nor is it my personal experience of family members being cut off for non attendance. I feel no pressure from my Catechists. I think balance is needed when debating this. No more space lol

[@Vincentvega293]

Have you changed your mind yet?

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Of course😀 an outsider becomes an insider. How else do you think they recruit members🤔 Once you are in properly, that’s when you will get the gist. It favours them when you are not Catholic but willing to study the Bible as they have their own twisted version of the Bible.

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 •you sound Protestant. •Catholics ARE CATHOLICS, not “members”. •What do you mean by “properly”? •It is imperative that Protestants, and Catholics, become educated on the ORIGIN OF THE BIBLE :)) ❤️PEACE🙏

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@curlyfits cults have members and most cults operates under the guise of a religious body. Be it Catholic, Protestant or Jehovah witness.😵‍💫

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 What is your view on… •JESUS CHRIST? •THE APOSTLES?? and… •THE CHURCH??? …that JESUS CHRIST FOUNDED! *We All Know the NAME of HIS CHURCH❣️:))

[@martino1857]

That is simply not true! I ve been in the NW for 15 years (i ve been out now for 5 years), my parents are for more than 35 years. I left for different circumstances, i never was told to quit my passions and hobbys!! I never felt guilty for my sins... on the other hand, i learnt in the NW, that no matter what i do in life, God loves me and respect my freedom, and if i choose, i can recive Gods forgiveness, no matter what. My parents as i said, are un the NW for more than 35 years, one of my brothers is a homosexual who lives with his partner, and my parents love him the same way they love me or my sister. They were never encoreged to stop contact with him, in fact, even though they do not agree with his ways, they are the most patient and caritative people i ve never seen, and my parents learnt that love in the NW. They visit prisioners, disabled people in homes, abandoned children, they visit people in hospitals, they give ALL they have to people they dont even know, and in secret. Its way more than most catholics do, including me. Ive seen the most humble and happy people in the NW. As i said, ive been there 15 years and nobody is 'forced' to stay. You are free to leave anytime, as i did. Some people find and get to know the love of God in the NW and some others dont, and its fine. If you find it disturbing just stay away and God will call you somewhere else. The NW is also part of our holy catholic church and we should be prudent if we have something to say. Ive never seen the things you are saying being inside the NW so many years. Sorry my english is not good, im Argentinian. A big hug to all of you!

[@griseldagarcia4216]

My parents are NW and they have never been prohibited from doing anything. I am not NW and I have been to some of the events they've had. Do not confuse people.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@griseldagarcia4216 well not openly, manipulatively yes😀

[@sswogXXIII]

Hahaha

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 your PRIDE causing you to feel this way???

[@curlyfits]

Martino, I agree with your defense of the Neo-Catechumenal Way. You’ve expressed yourself wonderfully! *Thank You, Jesus!!!* --- *For those who don’t know… •The NW is NOT a “movement”. •The NW is NOT separate from the Catholic Church, but it is ONE WITH THE CHURCH! •Neo-Catechumenates ARE CATHOLICS!!! *I dislike Catholics being labeled as “members”. ❤️Peace🙏

[@billklington8326]

My girlfriend is in The Way and the experience of her is similar at what you are saying. I've been to masses and it feels like being on another religion by bending the traditions of the holy mass. I don't like it. The scrutiny feel like a violation of the secret of confession imo, plus there is a huge psychological burden. I'm a devout catholic I much prefer the common mass, going on Sunday's (the lord's day), and confessing my sins to a single priest.

[@rileyjordanm.maingque3128]

So your telling me that this old way of the church is another religion This was the old way of the mass

[@joehouston2833]

Devout Catholic with a "girlfriend"?

[@brotigesbroetchen]

@@joehouston2833 What's your point? Christians can have girlfriends? You can't get engaged right away

[@tallkun6151]

No, no, I get it. Before I started I felt the same way, being used to the old ways if mass. But it is true that it's not an entirely separate or subculture religion, rather it's supposed to be the simplification of the holy mass with using a more old-school way of mass, not so far back that we pay for forgiveness but somewhere little after Luther's actions took full effect. This is especially beneficial to those who feel they've wronged God so much they are not worthy of entering a church (I used to know a homeless woman like this, try as I might to get her to come into the church during my time as an usher she always refused, bless her soul." All in all, I can see why you see it that way, but do remember that this is meant to be a simplification of the holy mass for those who see themselves as grave sinners and for those who feel the common mass today is too tampered with for one to fully immerse themselves in the good word.

[@Mirani2]

I don't think school and money are most important. I think family and love are. And I am a Christian, just not a Neocat, but I will check out any local Neocat groups if they come by.

[@jomarcaruzca5820]

Good day, are you now walking in the community?

[@Sanyul1998]

@@jomarcaruzca5820 the woman in vid saying all lies hope the holy spirit enlighten her mind

[@14JrdaKid]

I've been in the way for a little over 2 years, and it has bring me nothing but great joy personally before I was caught up in a lot worse sins. But now it made me realize that this world will parish into really not attach myself to the earthly things I over the years grew into a new family, thats my community. And it's a great thing to see the youth interact in the churches because now in days the youth are eaten by the influence on TV. My faith is strong because I have experienced the grace

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Another one bites the dust

[@14JrdaKid]

@@elizabethoputa4875 I stop walking in the way for a few years now.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

I am genuinely happy you escape this manipulative and toxic cult. I hope you are not sucked back in, as they are worst than vampires. All the best.❤️😀

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 another WORLDLY response 🤦

[@animavesta5945]

@@elizabethoputa4875 well, elizabeth, if u can leave just by leaving, it can't be a cult. Lol.

[@slm777mm]

Kiko was NOT a flamenco guitar player ma’am . I’m Mexican and I play the guitar and I know how to play Rancheras and Mariachi music and that doesn’t make me a mariachi 🤗 Secondly Carmen WAS NEVER A NUN ! Where did you get your information from ?

[@josephvallejo3929]

Go back to Mexico

[@lindsaypinedamendoza90]

Joseph Vallejo shut up. Go back to Donald Trump.

[@curlyfits]

@@josephvallejo3929 she did not say anything about living outside of Mexico ❤️Peace

[@HarrisonBirdBrown]

Honestly, as a catholic I will listen to her preach and determine whether it's right for my own judgements. Speak freely and judge quietly.

[@HarrisonBirdBrown]

Also I just recently found Kiko looking for my family name Giacobbe. So we find each other through random circumstances. Don't hate

[@andrewmativo7959]

Come to East Africa and find true love in the WAY. I'm from Kenya and I can tell you,it changed me and made me a new person both physical and spiritual. I used to s8 g in my church and I know how the songs got me lifted up. I once sang during my mom funeral Mass at home and to date I can tell you Iam forever in the WAY 🇰🇪🇰🇪

[@anitaturri9514]

I wish you healing and that one day you find another path that isn't a cult that preys on your vulnerabilities. Seek therapy and don't hide under cultish groups. ❤️

[@curlyfits]

@Andrew Mativo And, THE HOLY SPIRIT Is The ONLY ONE Who Makes The Changes (even through the Neo-Catechumenal Way! :))

[@curlyfits]

@@anitaturri9514 🤦

[@EdinsonRaulOsorioMercado]

She has no idea what she is talking about.

[@fernandoj.alaniz7211]

Scrutiny is about what your suffering through during the time and how are your feelings if you don't have evidence to prove that, because people in the way are happy, excited to be in the way and if people want to talk they can talk

[@gabsterup]

You mind explain what materials you gave up in your life? 🙃

[@Corsario1987]

The Neocathecumenal Way saved me from recording myself wearing a pijama and uploading it on youtube! If I were you I would try it! ;)

[@lishmahlishmah]

Corsario1987. Jesus Christ saved me from being so offensive and so merciless towards people, especially towards christian people. All people are my brothers and sisters. Jesus taught me this. Catholicism taught me this. NC adherents say that I am a mere "creature" (like animals), and only the participants to the NC sect are sons and daughters of God. This is not christianity. Wake up. The NC Way doesn't save from anything. They have hidden to you that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Saviour. And that's enough for me. All of you say that "the Way" saved you. But ONLY Jesus saves. Only Jesus. All these comments against this girl show the hatred in your hearts. That's enough. That's enough. All of you, you never talk about Jesus. You only talk about "the Way". If you can, wake up and convert to Jesus.

[@General_Lee439]

@@lishmahlishmah It doesn't matter what catholic group someone is in, as long as they find Jesus Christ in it. You can't speak for everyone and say that the neocatecumenal way is somewhere you won't find God, I've known so many people who've turned their lives around and have found Christ through the way. Some like it, some don't. Not everyone will like it. Period.

[@obeb787]

Typical person without an argument, moving attention from the message to the superfluous instead. People like you never learn nothing in life.

[@curlyfits]

@@lishmahlishmah 😢🙏Peace❤️

[@curlyfits]

@@obeb787 “ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE WITH GOD!” ❤️Peace

[@michaelzutz6823]

I agree with you on many points. I think when you are looking at the truth about something there always have to be positive and negative aspects mentioned. As there are some people here who believe that the Neocatecumenate has helped them. It seems to be a controversial topic. There seem to be 2 kinds of people here in the comment section: 1: you are all wrong - the neocatecumenate has helped me - go home 2: you are all right - the neocatecumenate is really bad I think the truth, if we are looking for it is a bit more complex. And it is rarely ALL OR NOTHING. It's inbetween.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Is this critical thinking? Or I smell a master manipulator. Well ‘am not surprise, not being in control of anything is the basic recruitment method of this types of cult. They are aware that the greatest quest for the Humans race is to get closure and answers. So if you can’t get an exact solution to the problem you remain ensnared by them.

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 True Christians allow THE HOLY SPIRIT To Be In Control Of EVERYTHING! :)) *By the way… •How many “types” of “cults” are there ? •What are their SIMILARITIES ?? and… •What are their DIFFERENCES ???

[@jomarcaruzca5820]

I totally agree, as written in the revelation 3:14-15 "I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm-neither hot nor cold-I am about to spit you out of my mouth."

[@janburn007]

I understand that while the NCW may have had the approval of several popes, those same popes also had a number of reservations about the movement & its behaviour in several countries, & gave the movement instructions as to how it should conduct itself in certain situations. I also understand that some people may have a good experience in the movement, & others may have a very bad experience. I do think it depends a lot on the particular individual communities people are involved with, & the quality of the leaders of those communities. who may each have their own, & slightly different way of doing things. Some leaders are much better at leading than others, depending on their own leadership training & experience. It is not enough to just send well-intentioned people out as leaders & missionaries, without ensuring they have been provided with good training in leadership. I think people also need to understand that the NCW way of doing things will not necessarily suit everyone. When it comes to Christianity, there is no such thing as "one size fits all".. Everyone is an individual with their own personality & will respond to different things/methods in different ways. Just like when it comes to teaching, there is no single teaching method that is certain to bring out the best in everyone - so it is with Christianity. The NCW way of doing things may not work best for everyone, & those people may be better of looking for another way to strengthen their Christian faith, which better suits their lifestyle & needs. Those who choose to leave the NCW for this reason, or choose not to enter a community in the first place, should not be castigated or denigrated for their decision, or made to feel that there is somethings wrong with them. More than likely, that is just not the case - it might simply be that the NCW's methods just do not suit them, & are not capable of bringing out the best in them. There is nothing wrong with that. More than likely, they will eventually find another organisation within the church, which IS capable of bringing out the best in them & strengthening their Christian faith.

[@lishmahlishmah]

Yes, you have perfectly described the Catholic point of view. The problem is that NCW is anti-catholic in its structures and teachings. Catholic Church has been trying to bring them to christian culture... But still today this group aims to remain in its position. This behaviour is destroying so many persons and so many parishes... In some cases, in Italy people prefers to have dialogues with the Jeova's Witnesses instead of the Neocatechumenals.

[@istopart]

i'll pray for you.

[@Katarina-jg3vo]

Neochatechumenal way is a kind of spiritual formation for persons who are far from real faith, for pagans or catholics who don't know much about their faith.It is not for persons who have "adult faith". I was once in a comunity (24 years ago) but I left (part of my family left, one part stayed) and never had any problems with other members who stayed in the comunity. So I guess it all depends how fanatic are the "responsible persons". Church is large and everybody is invited to find his own call within it. I stopped coming after first passage because I chose to marry an atheist but after we divorced 13 years after I understood why my neochathechumenal priest refused to marry me. At that time I was a little bit offended because I was really convinced that he will convert but actually happened the opposite, I stopped after couple of years to go to church and lost my faith for a long time so after 15 years I understand why he refused to bless this wedding. The neochathechumenal way is not the best place if you want to be half christian half pagan. They just don't let you and this is ok. Nobody has to go there, there are so many places that allow you to be superficial. I think they are really salt of the church, sincere and fervant christians but their methods are questionable sometimes and a little bit manipulative. I wouldn't go back there anymore because I'm too individualist and now feel other call but they are ok.

[@belindachai9817]

The priest could give you a 'marriage blessing' As one priest explain, they look after their own, meaning that they will not force the non Christian partner to the faith but at the same time, the Catholic partner can still receive the church Sacraments and grow spiritually. Also in this way, If the Catholic partner maintain his practices, with God' s grace, his partner will be influenced and touched in some ways. For e. g. they can even remind you that it is a Friday, they can remind you to pray etc... In fact, they will alway watch out for Fridays cos they know that you abstain from meat on that day. They will also respect the times when you fast and appreciate the fact that you still are able to prepare a meal for them. There are those who believe but they are not ready to commit yet. So there is still hope after all.

[@tmposter16]

I'm a young member of the Way. I've been walking for 3 years now. I never feel guilty about sharing my sins to the members. This is like my second family. You have know idea what this is all about. You read this off a blog. If you went to this you probably won't feel the way I do. It brings out the true you. You don't have to give up anything for this and you can miss things for it. Your rude and have no business in this unless you know the truth about this. I'm going to pray for you Gob bless u

[@lishmahlishmah]

Taylor Poster. The Catholic Church forbids to share the personal sins with groups. The Church forbade it so many times to the NC Way! This is an important catholic teaching. You bring scandal to the children, especially when you say your sexual sins in your groups! Shame on you! Jesus ordered us to NOT bring scandals!!

[@smookedgrooves8834]

lishmah lishmah scandal? Grow up Alright why are you considering it a scandal when it’s your history. Its good to bring out your sin and stuff because then if you don’t it stays dormant in you. And it consumes you. The children are always with a babysitter when it comes to meeting or for the word when we give our “echo” the children are taken out because they are too young to be there to listen to what ever is being said.

[@General_Lee439]

@@lishmahlishmah You have any source?

[@curlyfits]

@@lishmahlishmah 🤔 •Is the Confession of my sins to the priest causing him to be scandalized? •Isn’t it only in my Examination of Conscience where I’m suppose to get DETAILED about the sins I’ve committed? •Or do I, also, have to get detailed when confessing my sins to the priest in the confessional?😳 •What does it mean that Catholics are priests, prophets, and kings???

[@curlyfits]

@@lishmahlishmah 🤔YOU🧐 just may be participating in “scandal” YOURSELF! Right here! 😱

[@GabrielUngacta]

I'm not Catholic but sweet heart , your videos aren't the only ones criticizing the NeoCatechumenal Way. Look up Guam and you'll see what I mean.

[@jacksbob8746]

the best thing i can say in the way is you can always come back. you are always welcome. i never felt this when i was in our parish. no one really forces you in the way. i always miss weekly word because of work. they understand it.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

I smell TRAUMA BONDING

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 🙏🙏🙏In Jesus’ Name… “GET BEHIND US, satan!” 🙏🙏🙏

[@krystelvelez5256]

Please do not be ignorant an close minded and listen to rumors that other people say.. Make your own conclusions, do not be a follower. You should really go to one of these meetings of the way. I am 17 years old I don't do drugs, or any of those things you said and I still participate in the Neocatechumenal way. I do this because it feeds my soul and brings me inner peace and happiness. It makes me a better person. I actually pay attention in mass now. Think before you speak.

[@edwardaliben7372]

Very well said. I'm also walking in the way for 17 years and it helped me alot in my faith and rediscover the mystery of God's love in the Catholic Church.

[@theaddreport]

If I can find a Way orientation or seminar, I will definitely do so. I will say one thing. I LOVE the music!

[@Sanyul1998]

For information music in the way is not just kiko's song, its word of the bible that has give with tune, please don't give opinion by just in ur perspective God is Know what we do

[@theaddreport]

I suppose little sins are sins as well, but from what I hear, the Way (at least in some instances) overexaggerates the sins of some people.

[@enihoti22]

Not everything she says is 100% true, but she covers a lot of points. And I’ll speak on myself personally because I know how much you all love “eco’s”. I was in the way when I was younger, and I can say with 100% certainty that it is a cult. It fits all criteria of a cult. Every single one. And only now can I really see how my “good” memories of it, were so toxic. The neocats are the people who preach love and forgiveness the most, but are the most judgmental people I have ever known.

[@curlyfits]

Please tell me, What are all the criteria of a cult? Help

[@israelsanchez4872]

This is the worst comment I’ve ever seen

[@theaddreport]

I'm not insulting or persecuting the Way (I have no power over them), nor am I insulting the members. I'm only trying to warn people about how some Way groups act. Perhaps not all are like this.

[@jomarcaruzca5820]

From a Neo Cat. I am more free than before, specially free from idols. You really sound like you don't have freedom in the way, but you see it differently I understand you did not see the real presence of Christ in every step of the way. but still God loves you.

[@davidrivera6718]

This lady and her video are a blessing. "Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5, 11-12. Go to the Vatican website and Zenit dot org a conservative website and enter "neocatechumenal way" in search to see what the Vatican and conservative Catholics have to say. God loves you just the way you are.

[@vanessap7872]

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you."

[@theaddreport]

+Vanessa Perez I applied this to myself while making the video. thanks.

[@curlyfits]

@@theaddreport 👎Nope! Not a fit for you :(( you are blasphemous and tempting ChristianHearts to deviate from GROWING IN LOVE for Jesus Christ and His Church

[@MultiMcervantes]

Yeah lots of misinformation. Sounds more like a video made out of confusion or hurt feelings. Hope she does some studying in the teachings of the catechism of the Catholic Church. I don’t even think she is Catholic as she stated certain sins are not something you need to confess… and one of the biggest things about healing come from opening up and hearing how others deal with similar weakness or situations. And the steps are not courses. The concept of passing a level or course is more so a measure of human’s inability to accept God’s will. The steps are designed more so to help you move forward. And I know people who have left the way and returned after a few years of making the same assumptions as these videos are. I hope she gets to truly meet the Charisma of the church, or any other so she may fully understand what she is talking about in a more profound method instead of a more “academic” approach based on faulty information at best.

[@lesliecangas]

Thanks for ruining the first step for me

[@madalenaoliveira5477]

i thought the same

[@lucaherrera5887]

Same

[@theaddreport]

I've talked to peopel who have exited the Way. Although not all Way groups have these problems, it's obivously widespread enough so that I'm hearing the same thing from various sources.

[@theaddreport]

I believe they are free to leave, yes. But will they be allowed to leave without being subjected to the catechists telling them they are turning their backs on God, or having their families not ignore them?

[@canemdei5590]

Not to mention the language. You can see by the comments made here by members of the 'way'. how many say things like "the NCW saved my parents marriage" or "I used to be a drug dealer, but the Way has saved me" or variations on this. Not the CHurch, mind you, but the "way". Not Christ, but the "way". Perhaps they mean the Church, or Jesus Christ, but that's not what they say, is it? The NCW is full of misappropriations of meaning. For example they will tell you in their 'catechesis' that.....

[@kittylor-e5s]

I have been on the way for almost 12 years and never these things happened to me or in my community. I joined the way when i was 14. I think it is a little too much when you say that neocatechumenal way prays on people with mental or moral problems. In my community there are no people from the lower class, as you can call them,there are well educated people from higher middle class from normal families. I had been sourrounded by wonderfull priests and people on my way. Priest from my community are also in different groups,like home church, renewal in Holy Spirit,etc, and it never created any problems. We worked toghether well with the parish. I never heard of things that someone was forced to something or manipulated to do something. There are strong bonds among people, but you can leave any time you like to, i left couple times and i didn't have any problems with that. You are always encouraged to do your own decisions, based on your own free will. Personally community helepd me a lot to understand more myself.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Stockholm Syndrome

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 who are you?? Where are you getting your info from? What’s your story?? You sound like a Pharisee, or an atheist out attacking anyone’s and everyone’s experience with THE HOLY SPIRIT :(( *satan could be working through you!😱Seriously!!!

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@curlyfits Superstitions and magical thinking 😄😄

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875😱a demon is revealed through the wording of your comments :(( ✝️🙏🙏🙏IN THE NAME OF JESUS!…GET BEHIND US satan!!!✝️

[@theaddreport]

No, I made the video because of the sufferings of people I've talked to who used to be in it. I do, however, rejoice in those Way groups that are free from problems and hope your life is going well.

[@curlyfits]

@theaddreport Many people ENJOY suffering and like to complain about their so called “suffering” because they ENJOY causing drama in their and other’s lives, and they ENJOY the attention of their fellow man

[@theaddreport]

I can assure you if I'm stupid it's not on purpose. I tried to verify each and every one of those facts. But if I am wrong, I will soon find out.

[@marisolrussell6858]

Members, non members, ex members... thank God for his grace through the way - another person giving an opinion of something she does not know anything about ...and does not have the courage to experience herself ... may God bless you - I will pray for you🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@elizabethoputa4875]

They have thought you well😂Kikoism

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 YES! THE HOLY SPIRIT IS THE ONE WHO TEACHES, and you have no power over HIM! AMEN! HALLELUJAH! THANK YOU, JESUS!!! 🙌🏼

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@curlyfits wow! Master manipulator. Well that’s what this toxic and dangerous Cult is about. 😀

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875The Neo-Catechumenal WAY is about: GROWING IN LOVE of GOD THE FATHER, through GOD THE SON, our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, and By The !POWER! OF GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT. Amen! Hallelujah! ❣️ThankYou🥰JESUS!!!🥰❣️

[@anitaturri9514]

As someone with experience, she is right and you should open your mind and try and seek other options to heal anything they use to take advantage of you. ❤️❤️

[@canemdei5590]

" I am 17 years old and I can tell you the way have saved my life from the crap that it would've been with my sufferings" A common statement about the "Way". It is asserted that the "way" is the saviour - not Jesus , not the Church, but the "way"

[@KittyCatPow]

I'm in Polish Neocatechumenal Way in London, UK, they saved my life! I feel loved by God, by my brothers & sisters. No one tries to stop me pressuring my passion and hobbies, what you saying is not true! I'll be praying for u. I hope one day u could come to Eucharist and see how wonderful it is :-)

[@theaddreport]

That's great and I'll bet you have a great catechist, but some Way groups (not all, but some) are abusive and dishonest. I'm happy you found a good one though.

[@ThePhysics1234]

KittyCatPow what did they save you from?

[@thechopfifaplayer1319]

theaddreport abusive? Where are you getting this information from?

[@KittyCatPow]

ThePhysics1234 life of sin

[@ThePhysics1234]

KittyCatPow I am going to ask you a question. You will not answer it or will answer it with something to general to mean anything. If something can mean anything it means nothing. What does life of sin mean?

[@ariday.5872]

I won't comment anything to "mentally abuse you" but you are completly wrong about the neocatechuminal way it saved me from so many slaverys and as a "prostitute" I am very open to my vocation of being called to a convent and I would truly be dead if it wasn't for the way , it saved me from a time of depression and I am free to leave at any time and none of the priests force you to do anything . I am so thankful for my community, and I will pray for you.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

You are a perfect candidate for a manipulative and toxic Religious Cult. My heart ❤️ goes out to you. Please 🙏🏻do not replace Therapy for a cult. The Mental slavery is equivalent to what you experienced in the past. You will remain stuck in the past as that is what they want to promote their agenda. Sending you peace and love 💕

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 ‼️LIES OF satan👹

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@curlyfits 😁😁😁

[@anitaturri9514]

@@curlyfits lies of cult

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 …and you take joy in spreading LIES about God and His Church

[@janburn007]

I think it also needs to be borne in mind that generally speaking, religious movements or cults/sects tend to be much more rigid/strict/conservative/harsh/inflexible in the early days of their formation. As time goes by, especially when they start to get to the second & third generations of adherents, they tend to become less harsh & a bit more flexible - so not nearly as bad as when they started out. Unfortunately though, not everyone can necessarily wait that long for their loved ones who may be caught up in a new religious cult, or a new sect of an established religious denomination. They want to get their loved ones out now, before they get too involved with the sect, as that is usually the best & the easiest time to extricate a person from such a harsh organisation.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Well said 🙏🏻

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 NOT

[@theaddreport]

I know many people who haven't spilled super glue on their Caps Lock key.

[@theaddreport]

I would like to experience those things, but I can't ignore the testimonies of many other members who say different. I'm sure there are both good and bad experiences of the Way, but I just put this up to warn people because I have spoken to people who have been harmed.

[@curlyfits]

@theaddreport everyone’s relationship with God is PERSONAL. Can’t and SHOULDN’T blame anything or anyone but ONESELF! ❤️PEACE🙏

[@TheOnexRamirez]

Most of this information is completely wrong. Just putting that out there. I was born into The Way and none of these negative "facts" are true.

[@theaddreport]

+Alex Ramirez Perhaps they are not true of your particular section, but they are true of other groups and sections of the Neocat.

[@theaddreport]

Most of them are not gossip. They are credible and often official sources (such as Father Enrico Zoffoli and many priests and bishops), not to mention people who have experienced the community themselves. I never said everyone had a bad experience. Some people have good ones. But there is no doubt that many of the members have psychological problems that are both caused and neglected by the Way.

[@canemdei5590]

You are not under the parish priest when you celebrate a separate Easter Vigil. Then the parish has at least two vigils; an anomaly in the Church. The celebration of the Mass (sorry "Eucharist") is for all practical purposes, a private affair for the NCW. It is not advertised, and in practise is not shared by the parish. Do the communities attend Sunday parish Mass at least monthly as per the instructions of Card Arinze? No, they dont. Another example of separatism and disobedience to the Church

[@miriamp6890]

We had left the way after there was a public confesión of a cathequist telling he had raped 17 children members of his family in southAmerica !!! We left the way after 12 years on the spot after that nightmare night!!!!!

[@elizabethoputa4875]

I am not surprise

[@athousandcandles]

also, you guys say over and over again (literally the world over. How does everyone come to speak the same slang in so many different languages? if you think so independently, you tell me...) "DON'T JUDGE!" take a moment, step back and think how your brothers and sisters say this then spend HOURS dissecting someone's life.. publicly pulling down all their walls, without their informed consent, and then claim they're not being judgemental. Just... think about it.

[@smookedgrooves8834]

when someone says don’t judge. why would you take it literally. we are human and obliviously people judge others. you cant be sensitive about it and wrap your head around it because that’s humanity. worry about yourself and your salvation. they are in the wrong and it’s their problem with god that they judge.

[@athousandcandles]

@@smookedgrooves8834 you got some problems mate. Read about the hypocrisy of the whole thing in my first comment. It's not just human, it's active brain washing going on.

[@estellehill3234]

haters gonna hate

[@dawidjuszka]

Hi! Could you share resources of your information about Neocatechumenal Way?

[@General_Lee439]

Everything you're against is actually written in the Bible. Fornication is a mortal sin and one can't take communion if they are sinning in this way.

[@theaddreport]

Just because I disagree or am misinformed by reading the wrong things doent' mean I'm mentally ill. Strange comment coming from someone with "crazy" in their screenname.

[@Vincentvega293]

You are basically right in your assessment.

[@alessandrocolombo486]

I haven't find one single statement of this girl true. I'm in the way, I never felt the courage to speak more freely in my life. I never felt judged, and even when I confessed the same sins over and over I've always been understood and counseled on how to improve my relationship with God, which is by praying, repenting of my sins and read the Word of God. I say that coming from a family where religion is not really an important part of their life and, even so, I've always been encouraged to be an example for them in order to show them that God is real, instead of judging them or forcing them to be part of the church or the way. The Gospel is radical and if lived up to the world can scandalize people, especially in the modern secularized world. The good thing is that the way always push you to be in communion with everybody no matter how sinful they can be, always reminding us that it is through grace and not for our good actions that we are SOMETIMES doing a little bit better than others. We should therefore feel privileged to have received such a gift and look others, "members" included, with mercy and understandment.

[@elizabethoputa4875]

That’s the point my Dear😀get out of jail free card with intermittent reinforcement. Please don’t replace the Therapist for a religious Cult💕

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 you are always so worldly with your advice. ‼️Who can take you serious!? 🤦

[@anitaturri9514]

Not reading all that manipulation, wishing u healing ❤️‍🩹

[@anitaturri9514]

@@curlyfits are you in a magical world? Advice should be "worldly" but what does that even mean!?!

[@curlyfits]

@@anitaturri9514 NOT I, but Elizabeth Oputa seems to be. All True Adult Christians KNOW what “worldly” means. IMPOSTORS & USURPERS doNOT

[@theaddreport]

Yes, I'm stupid because I've talked to people who have been in the Way and they have unilaterally confirmed these findings. I have said before in comments, perhaps not ALL Way groups are like this, but there are many, and there are people who are suffering. This is not an indictment of your groups or of all the Way, but of some sections of it, in which real people experience real suffering.

[@curlyfits]

@theaddreport Wrong terminology, again.They are NOT “groups”. They are “COMMUNITIES”.

[@JosephDeLosSantos-t3m]

Kiko was a painter, he was an atheist who was born to a rich family. Carmen *wanted* to be a nun, but God didn’t permit that. I’m so sorry for you American Catholics, you seem out of touch with suffering and you focus yourself with too much shallow things rather than actually finding Christ in the poor and downtrodden. God bless you and may we all repent and be better people for each other.

[@theaddreport]

In fact, there is undoubtable evidence that many negative practices (such as "stuffing the collection basket") are ordered from the top. Even if many people use the Way as an excuse for their drug addiction, it still remains true that the Way itself causes many problems and many of its universal practices (that are supported by Kiko himself) are harmful. What about the fact there are reports of catechists- worldwide- telling families to break off contact with leavers? Are the leavers lying?

[@theaddreport]

No, that was just an example story from my own life. I have spoken to members who have been in the Way, and it seems like some experience what I have listed, even if not all. I just want to be safe.

[@athousandcandles]

this girl is completely right. I grew up in the NCW and left after 8 years of my own community participation. Those of you in it and criticising, Kiko is not above reproach or criticism. Neither are the communities. 'The Way' is mentally and emptionally abusive and I know first hand. Try to be compassionate towards people who left and then you might start to understand their reasons. if you block your ears and yell, don't expect to become any smarter on the topic. All you sound like right now is a vulnerable and thoroughly brainwashed member of a group resembling a cult.

[@lishmahlishmah]

Cccrunch. TRUE. In Italy many parishes and many people were devastated by NCW. Spiritually and psychologically. Maybe not all NC groups are like that, but the majority part they are exactly like that.

[@Andrea-gi9hu]

you armaré so wrong

[@Andrea-gi9hu]

you are so wrong

[@ThePhysics1234]

This... "The Way' is mentally and emptionally abusive"

[@joshsumner7049]

Hey Cccrunch. My experience was exactly the same as yours. Reply to this if you still read messages here. I’m in Southern California.

[@AndreasAntoniusMaria]

10% contribution is expensive

[@theaddreport]

That's what I've noticed. They aren't all evil, but some parts are not necessary to salvation, and even detrimental. Only some of them.

[@Meira750]

Ok, my priest isn't this extreme but it sounds like a cult.

[@canemdei5590]

" i think you misunderstood when the catechist was explaining the history of the sacrament." It wasn't the catechist, Father. It is written in the Catechesis - Kiko said it. If you read the book, you'll see it yourself. "our present form only came a hundred years ago through the irish monks" I think you'll need to look again - Charles Borromeo about 500 years ago, more likely.

[@joaquinjose3332]

Unlike everyone ive just entered the way, well been a yr, but I myself have seen both sides, where as soon as youth become an adult they leave for certain reasons, but those who have stayed, stayed for a purpose, well just entering the way, though my parents been in the way for a decade, I see the negatice affects on my dad, but not as bad as it is for those in other places, so I can see it in and through, yet the end of the day, u choose to stay or leave, i choose to stay because I see it as a positive in my life rather than a negative.

[@sc9741]

THIS IS NOT TRUE, In early christianity the christians did public confession. Gods grace & love is what is taught. This is not a movement. We are called to Evangilization & to not put our trust in others only in the Lord.

[@patty-by9po]

I am from the Philippines and i'm walking in the Way. I can't understand 🤔 why are people talking negatively about the neocatechumenal way? Why are people blaming the way for being too abusive and toxic? Whut? 😳 i don't get it.

[@thinktruththinktruth3366]

She is 90% right ! Some things are wrong but her overview is totally right ! She is very brave to comment and Anyone who left the way knows she is right on the brainwashing way of the Way she has done her research Go girl !

[@elizabethoputa4875]

So true 🙏🏻

[@theaddreport]

Going to hell for being misinformed? I have heard good stories about the Way, I don't deny those, but I have heard some groups pervert the message and thse are the ones I want to warn people about.

[@raphaeljoethong9105]

Will pray for You.

[@lilimap8570]

If The Way didn't want people to learn of what the Scrutinies were ahead of time, you should've respected that. Atleast we don't go barging in on your beliefs. They don't force you to listen. That's why God created free will. But respect is what people should do regardless of your beliefs or situation.

[@krystelvelez5256]

If you do not have anything nice to say. Don't say at all keep your comments to yourself.... Please tell me if you found a meeting you can go to. I highly suggest it so you can open your eyes.

[@theaddreport]

I'll give $1,000 to Kiko if you commenters can tell me just why my hair, clothes, and messy room have anything to do with the things I am saying. If all you can criticize is my appearance then A- you are idiots B- my actual statements must not be as wrong as you say they are If I was making pro Way comments no one would notice my appearance. Fact. Why would so many unrelated people from vastly different continents all have these same complaints about the Way unless they were true at least in many groups? Perhaps many of you commenting here have had good experiences and groups. Fine. I'm talking about those who were victimized by certain Way groups, and I see too much of a pattern forming to not attribute it at least in some way to the Way itself. No more lies.

[@franknguma7212]

+theaddreport money can not gurantee you a erternal life

[@jimmyjmv]

But it is very nice to know that your god doesn't exist ;-).

[@franknguma7212]

why you said my God doesnt exist how sure your

[@jimmyjmv]

Frank Nguma Then, please, show me where he is. Perhaps, he hasn't got enough power to show himself that he needs your help ;-).

[@thechopfifaplayer1319]

jimmyjmv whatever has happened in you life to make you feel this way just know that God loves you and he is always with open arms

[@genesisbabauta223]

I wanna say something that wouldn't be nice but that isn't what we're taught in the neocatechumenal way.

[@allegrapiccolo226]

she should discover the meaning of idol

[@jacksbob8746]

everything is literally an idol not just limited to statues. this is literally the church explaination when confronted why catholics venerate saint figures and holy statues.

[@Ania-vf2bw]

Using Internet is discouraged because you can find a lot of wrong or misleading information online, such as provided here.

[@ChuckWhite]

You are not alone in your concerns about the Neocatechumenal Way. It is devastating the Church on Guam. Take a look at these posts, each of which looks at a different aspect of this movement: thoughtfulcatholic.com/?page_id=766

[@joehouston2833]

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[@canemdei5590]

Can you not see the language? It is so obvious that members of the way even develop a similar accent! Here's an example from your own words - 'we have "walked" in a "community of brothers" accompanied by the Word of God'. This is another example of the arrogance and elitism of the 'way'. Do you not note that the parish has a "Mass" whereas the community has a "Eucharist"? A distinction made to highlight the supposed superiority of the 'way'

[@M_A_R_I_A_L_O_P_E_Z]

Your not forced to say anything if you don’t want

[@theaddreport]

I unspammed your comment, Benji, Perhaps it is true she/he would not be alive specifically because of the Way and not the regular church, because the Way puts an emphasis on having many children, if God wants. But is this necessarily a good thing? Quadrillions of potential children are not born every day on the Earth. Is this a bad thing? No. The spirits are still there, the energy that makes up every living and "nonliving" force on Earth is still there, just not in human form every time.

[@theaddreport]

Ego? This video isn't about myself but is an attempt to help other people.

[@Meira750]

Oh, that's interesting about the "gift." I have found myself in a NCW group unintentionally. I'll come back to it. But we took a charter bus to the seminary for a deaconate ordination. It was supposed to cost a certain sum and I could have paid it but, the priest refused my money and said, "it's ok, don't worry." I am now sure this anonymous was how I came to have my bus fare paid. So how I stumbled into this group and am now going to avoid them is that I live in Israel and originally, this group years ago was a Hebrew speaking congregation founded by a Carmelite who was himself a convert from Judaism. He was traditional, not NCW. So when I decided I needed to come back to the Catholic Church, I figured I should join this group rather than go to the Arabic or English Mass at the main Church, which is also Carmelite. It's been a few months and the priest, who's a nice guy, has been revealing more. But, I have not felt spiritually comfortable. My time away from the Church was spent in Evangelical and Messianic groups in the US. I have listened to Bishop Schneider and will listen more but I do believe at this point I am not interested in continuing with a NCW priest, even tho their focus of reaching the broken is not the primary one of the group here.

[@milkareyna1430]

Persecution comes in so many forms and just as Christ faced persecution, so are we called to be members of the church and face persecution for believing and defending what is right. We are called to serve our family and love the other as if they were Christ. So it's too bad you're "friend" never invited you to listen and experience the love of God first hand.

[@machteldvandenbrink8150]

I have been following the NCW for 5 years, and I hardly recognize anything you are saying. Our priests, who are all from the NCW, are extremely dedicated and humble, they never ever favor NCW members above parishioners. We are asked during mass and word celebrations to share how scripture touched us, or anything we want, but never asked specifically to confess sins. Sharing is powerful, as it is understood that no one responds to the person sharing, or tries to talk to them about it afterwards. You get to say what you want to get off of your chest, and it feels very safe. I find that members are very respectful, loving and helpful towards one another. I love the regular meetings we have as they give me a discipline that I need and help me deepen my faith. I do go to Saturday evening mass, and also to Sunday mass. I do happen to think that sex before marriage is not a good idea, but the catholics in these times have become so ‘luke warm’, that a lot of the old values have been thrown away. The NCW tries to celebrate mass in a very traditional way, as it was celebrated in the beginning years. They also put people back in touch with the sacrament of baptism in a way that we never learned, since most were babies when baptized. I have never seen or witnessed that it is hard for people to leave the NCW, or that they are obstructed in any way.

[@jeffc1693]

On a side note, before you begin to critique something that has helped so many families that have been broken & through this Kerygma they have received have been rebuilt not by their own efforts but through the love of Christ. I want you to attend the ENTIRE Catechesis including the convivence and then come and tell me that what youre saying now. These catechesis can help anyone, "do not harden your heart" and let the word of God work. I will pray for you that you can come to understand The Way.

[@theaddreport]

You're welcome! I have the second video up. It is processing and will be available soon. I will have many more videos about this topic, including the story of how I found out about this cult and how I came to oppose it.

[@canemdei5590]

"There was an initiation into Christianity in the early Church, it was called catechumenate. The neocatechumenal way follow those lines." According to who? Kiko? The NCW has always discouraged members looking for themselves at these questions. When the Apostles baptised 5000 in a day, were they all prepared by the "way". Did they wait 5 years before baptism, or were they baptised the same day they heard the news?

[@sc9741]

The NCW is NOT A MOVEMENT

[@retro738_]

I joined the community 2 year ago and i have made many friends. And it has brought me great joy. My parents have been part of it for about 7 years, and I went with them and it was great. Lastly, the religious education is mostly for kids, at least in my parish. You are wrong about this. You probably won’t see this because you posted this 9 years ago. But if by some rare chance you see this, please reply to me on why you are attacking the great neocatechumenal way

[@retro738_]

@@gabsterupmy parents have been walking for 8 years and they still seem happy.

[@canemdei5590]

Last point. The NCW members like to say how the NCW is a "method" or itinerary, not a movement or organisation - like the RCIA for example. Well have you ever heard of people tithing (giving the 'tenth') to the RCIA? No, that would be ridiculous wouldn't it? But the NCW members tithe to the NCW (after a certain step). No accounting or books are kept though. Doesn't sound like a 'method' tp me. More like a cult

[@issammassouh2212]

dear! the way is approved by the catholic church authorities, is periodically scrutinized by the vatican. the way is in complete obedience and communion with rome and the pope, since pope paul vi, till pope francis. u can find marvelous speeches by all these popes about the neocats. i encourage u to watch. its all on the tube. if u can't find, will b glade to send u the links. peace!

[@alfredcaulin]

+Issam Massouh jpii had friendly thoughts of the neocat way, but actually, benedict was about to throw out kiko's mass because of the liturgical abuses and widespread desecration of the host. alas he retired too soon. francis was cautious in his approval of the neocats and tempered his meeting with concerned rebuttals of neocat techniques. and, while rome may be neutral regarding this movement, the bishops throughout the world certainly are no fans of this cult that subverts the authority of the apostolic succession to it's own hierarchy. it's only a matter of time before the heterodox nature of neocat theology is exposed and ejected from the church.

[@issammassouh2212]

Sure

[@krzysztofkorzeniewicz5424]

Everything she’s saying is true. My parents are part of this borderline cult and have done everything she is saying in this video, including kicking me out of the house. Please, for your own sake, if your going through a tough period in your life: talk to a friend, go to a therapist or go to the fucking gym. Just stay away from this group. Even if your in this group: the things she is saying happen in Neo, but it’s just not mentioned. Please trust me.

[@MatteoDaPonte]

Hahaha your description of the 1st Scrutiny is so wrong!! You should really join you know.. Maybe then you'd understand. Nobody wants you to sin, but it's inevitable, we sin, but that's why they Church offers us confession! Nobody judges you for skipping a celebration! Unfortunately those if us blessed by an encounter with God can only tell you about it, but you will never understand until you have your own, Faith comes through the foolishness of the preaching but you must experience it

[@devinamariecruz]

Lets all Pray for those whose eyes are not open to their own reality. I pray most especially for this woman. Peace to you my brothers and sisters. My peace I bring you my peace I leave you. God Bless!

[@elizabethoputa4875]

Wow! You must be a persecuted Saint 😂

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875 ✝️🙏IN THE NAME OF JESUS!🙏GET BEHIND US satan!!!🙏✝️

[@elizabethoputa4875]

@@curlyfits Magical thinking 😃

[@curlyfits]

@@elizabethoputa4875a hater of GOD’S Word. Hmm, you come across as… as… 😱 🩸!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🩸 🩸✝️🩸THE BLOOD OF CHRIST IS OUR PROTECTION🩸✝️🩸 🩸!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🙏!🩸

[@lipaoklipa]

Hi, you are very brave to make this video. I suffered a lot because of this movement, and lost connection with some of my family members. It took me 5 years to feel better, and I'm still getting there. The self blaming continues after the way, and I remember being forced to publicly say I'm a sinner in front of a group every week. They encourage looking for faults every day, and if you don't start behaving like the greatest sinner then there is something wrong with you. I find what you say in this video true. I've often heard members and women being told to find someone else to take care if their kids, and also know member who were forbidden to continue going until they make their spouse go as well. For some people it may be their life, and it might be good for them, and I respect that, but the Way makes all the members believe they are the chosen people, which leads to a lot of judgment towards everyone else, even christians, just for not being part of the way. And then, once you leave, you starts getting these calls from members, usually around easter, guilt tripping you into coming back. Their emails usually start something like: You must be aware how wasteful and dead your life is, and how everyone pretends to like you... Mostly a load of crap from people who know nothing about me but feel the right to judge my choices. There should be more videos like this that warn about the brainwashing from this group, they invade into private matters, encourage public shaming and make family member fight against each other.

[@theaddreport]

+YoYoYO "Mostly a load of crap from people who know nothing about me but feel the right to judge my choices." Hey, what a coincidence! Just like the goofballs who are commenting on here... visit this site: www.anticammino.weebly.com if you want more info on the Way.

[@theaddreport]

+YoYoYO Also read this site, it talks about cults in an easy to understand way, but with lots of details: www.abuseandrelationships.org/Content/Communal%20Abuse/communal_abuse.html FROM THE LINK ABOVE: "The First Threshold:Disallowance of any balance point between the needs of the group and the needs of the individual....This sets the stage for the exploitation of members." "The Second Threshold:Blind obedience...This sets the stage for the exploitation of others by the members." "Conditioning:Modifying behavior by linking desired responses to events that would not elicit those responses spontaneously. In abusive communities the desired response is always compliance." "Other Common Elements of Communal Control: -Special Leader. The rightness of the community is believed to reside NOT in set beliefs...long-established practices...durable principles, but in the guidance of the present leadership...the only source of truth. -Doctrine of Depravity This is the belief that members instincts, desires, tendencies, feelings, and inclinations, can't be trusted. -Panders to Dependency Needs Every adult has a residual desire to be taken care of by strong and wise parents... Abusive communities offer...illusion of unconditional parental care by using paternalistic metaphors and protecting members from adult decisions. -Communal Living This limits or eliminates non-believing influences, eliminates privacy, and prevents cognitive re-grouping. -Communal Businesses. Usually members are expected to give up previous jobs, even skilled professions and work only in cult businesses. -Cloaked Recruitment. Free classes are offered, or very low commitment meeting. Group name is not used, lest that alert potential recruits...Meeting may be 'packed' with group members posing as new people... Extreme friendliness and 'love-bombing' applied...so if there is hesitancy when more is requested, hurt and betrayal can be faked to pressure recruit to stay. -Controlled Sex and Romance. A fundamental practice is to prevent members from forming any alliance or loyalty other than to leader and group. -No Lateral Attachments. Friendship based on feeling are discouraged, even within group. If people are close, they may be moved to break it up. -Leaving is Taboo. ...Membership must be lifelong. Because there's no such thing as 'trying it out for a while', critical thinking and considerations...go out the window. It also blocks the natural human response to maltreatment (which is to leave). -Devaluing the Outsider This: 1) Isolates members from opposing ideas, 2) Isolates members from sources of attachment that would compete with the leader or community, 3) mobilizes the survival drive in members, which is channeled into cult activities, 4) justifies deceptive practices, 5) provides a target to safely displace anger onto, anger which is actually caused by cult's oppressive conditions. -Children Raised in Common. This weakens parent child bonds, which, like romantic and sexual relationships, divide loyalties. -Elimination of Leisure. There is no time off, no unstructured time, no days off, no vacations, no sabbaticals, and no retirement. -Greed. Skepticism is penalized monetarily and aggressive gullibility and proselytizing is rewarded. -Ladders. Everyone is comforted by evidence they are 'getting somewhere.' Abusive communities provide different positions of status to obtain, and a closed group in which the status is uniformly recognized. All progress can be lost for dissent or leaving. -Secrecy. Key parts of what happens in the group are kept secret from the outside, but also from a large portion of the membership. Often what is kept secret are practices or beliefs that contradict the more benign information used for recruitment. -A Security Force This is not always present but when it is, it is used to eliminate dissent. It may even have uniforms and a para-military flavor. -Dissent Labeled as Mental Illness ...labeling a dissident as 'crazy' undermines the dissenting message and creates fear of thinking in unorthodox ways...Because of extreme pressure to conform, dissent...usually is released only when a member is at his/her wit's end and is perhaps hysterical or emotionally distressed. -Manipulated Aspiration. The leadership suggests that members who do X are 'doing well', but indicate X is optional. X is something very time consuming (fund-raising 16 hours a day, meditating long hours etc) or is actually impossible so that the seeking of it is all-consuming. -The Emperor's Clothes It is suggested something very fine is happening when in fact nothing is happening. To make it work further, it is suggested that only the refined can appreciate what is happening. -Compartmentalization. As the bond of member to group becomes stronger, he/she is incrementally allowed to know secrets. Cognitive and moral dissonance is counter-balanced with feeling special. -Involuntary Transgressions or 'Thought Crime' Thoughts, desires, and doubts that deviate from approved agenda are stigmatized as betrayals. Since everyone has these whether they want them or not, this keeps everyone feeling guilty. -Constant Guilt It is hinted or plainly stated that members are not doing enough, or doing wrong things. This keeps any of them from feeling they have the standing to question or oppose anything. -Altered States. States of mind discontinuous with usual state of mind. Examples: meditation, hyperventilation, hypnosis, fasting, restraining bodily functions unnaturally, chanting, prayer, sensory deprivation, sauna or sweat lodge, extended aerobic exercise, or sleep deprivation.

[@theaddreport]

Traits of a Cult Leader (see how many of these sound like Kiko!): 1. Self Promotion 2. Doubtlessness (Total lack of doubt is only seen in psychopaths, but for the doubt-ridden it is taken as evidence of knowing the right thing to do.)3. Above Accountability (The leader is held out as different from ordinary mortals. Often the leader is said to be picked by God.)4. Claims to Be Goodness. (That is, the leader doesn't only claim to 'know' goodness but to be it.)5. Pressure-Release (Skillful manipulators push a target with negative attention, then suddenly become nice. This created gratitude.)6. Intermittent Reinforcement (Warm supportive treatment is provided unpredictably amongst abusive treatment. When reinforcement doesn't come, the person learns to keep trying because it will come eventually...abuse therefore becomes a cue to try harder.)7. Belief Teasing (Adept cult leaders imply they have something life-altering to believe in, but remain very vague and hazy. This allows members to insert their hopes and dreams, perhaps even unconsciously.)8. Hides Behind Interpretation (Ambiguous passages in ancient texts will be interpreted to fit the leaders desire.)9. Pseudo-Esotericism (Leaders (like everyone) know a few arcane things. However, unlike others, they use snippets strategically to suggest deep, thorough, or well reflected understanding which just isn't there.)10. New Dawn (Leaders always indicate they are doing something new that has never been done before.)11. Power Hunger (The group channels considerable money to the top, which spends it not for humanitarian work, but to buy advertising or influence.)12. An End that Justifies Any Means. 13. Excess (Often the leader will collect cars, exotic animals, houses...)14. Spectacles (Meaningless displays with a lot of sensory elements but no real continuity or function.)15. Charisma. 16. Naturalness. (The leader lacks self-consciousness and has nothing to worry about. Disciples are guilt-ridden, tongue-tied, hesitant, and distrustful of their own impulses. By contrast, the leader seems gifted.)17. Transference Cure (A person seeking deeper happiness is vulnerable to identifying with an unnaturally positive appearing person who claims to have it all together.)18. Claiming Unusual Powers or Abilities (This always has an attraction for those who feel powerless, because it speaks to the illusion that someone special can come to set things right.)19. Performs as a Mentalist (This is a way to seemingly back up claims of unusual abilities. The basic technique employed is 'cold reading' in which high probability guesses are made and then misses are minimized or rationalized quickly and 'hits' are emphasized and pursued. The target ends up volunteering all the real details although the mentalist will act like they had the details in mind already.)20. Rewriting History 21. Glibness (A fast, well-spoken explanation seems true even if it is just double-talk)22. Venality (The leader bargains and makes deals with those that cannot be seduced or intimidated in a power-savvy way, never standing on principle.)23. Rewards Informers (Members are usually starved for attention from the leader and so informing becomes a means of improving station. This eliminates trust or any breathing room to discuss different points of view.)24. Naked Emperor (The leader surrounds him- or herself with uncritical believers, and since there is a tendency to change one's opinion to conform to consensus, members that do not 'see' the attribute believe it is their own failing.)25. Scapegoats (Leaders take credit for successes but blame failure on others. Members join in condemning the scapegoat because they are happy it is not them.)26. Bribery (This is often used just as a rebellious member is wavering, and it is not seen for what it is, but rather taken or described as healing benevolence.)27. Ad Hoc Policy Changes (Rules and practices can change suddenly. This allows coercive actions or manipulations to be disguised as actions for the good of the community.)28. Keeps Inner Circle 29. Encourages Dependency 30. Manipulation of VIPs (Celebrities or politicians are wooed and shown a very different experience in order to lend credibility to the cult.)31. Narcissism 32. Thrill-Seeking (The utter lack of accountability, and unbridled excess can lead to boredom and disinhibition together. This along with psychopathic traits can lead to thrill seeking, both in nominally acceptable ways such as skydiving, but also in sexual abuse.) **************** "The self blaming continues after the way, and I remember being forced to publicly say I'm a sinner in front of a group every week. They encourage looking for faults every day, and if you don't start behaving like the greatest sinner then there is something wrong with you." this is because if they can ruin your self esteem they can make you feel like you "need" them. Break your leg and then provide you with the cast, so they are the "heroes." Most cults and abusive relationships in general work that way. Also, if they can get you to sin, they are benefited in several ways: 1. They can hold your sins over your head if you try to leave the group. they can threaten to tell people about your sins that you confessed to, if you leave, and embarrass you into staying. 2. If they want "dirty work" done, they can find out which members are willing to do evil things (they do it because they think they will be "forgiven" later), and they then have a built in force of sinners to do things like lie to new recruits, steal money, and intimidate opponents.

[@hiuszenoom809]

Remember, go back to the Rock of Peter and receive body of Christ. You have to take 7 sacraments seriously and receive the spirit of Christ to be saved and guide! Neocates are cluts who don't believe 2000 years doctines that Jesus instructed Peter and his students.

[@lishmahlishmah]

YoYoYO. Thank you for your witness. We have the same big problems in Italy. Many parishes were devastated by these groups in the last 40 years. They say they are Catholic, and it's true that the Holy See gave them some authorization for "evangelization". But the Holy See, the Popes and the Bishops NEVER authorized them to do what they are doing. So many catholic people abandoned their catholic faith because they thought that NCW was catholicism... But it isn't. The ones who are attacking this video are brainwashed. This is very painful for us catholics. Neocathecumenals say they are "persecuted". But I only know so many catholics who have been harshly persecuted by THEM. This is terrible. We can only pray for their conversion to Christ. And be aware NOT to enter in those sects. If one day they will obey the Pope and the Catholic Church, then ok, maybe they will be a true catholic group. But, at the moment, stay away from them if you want to stay close to Jesus. God bless you.

[@johnpaulmuscat]

some deviations from the good intentions of the way surely exist in many communities... however it is irrational to think that catechists would ever go around telling people to continue sinning freely!?!

[@jomarcaruzca5820]

in my experience, the catechists instruct us to be ourselves unlike being a hypocrite, hiding our true nature that somehow we are living free of who we are , as we are all human being capable of any sin.

[@narcisaparedes5644]

Dear sister what are you afraid of ? Perhaps if you go for a complete catechesis you will find the true, you are very smart, nobody is going to fool you. Perhaps you will find the love of God. And you don't know yet how much He really loves you.

[@canemdei5590]

"if anyone says that, it is only by ignorance". You'll need to take that up with Kiko, Father. It is he who says this in Volume 1 of the catechetical directory. I think you need to read it Father.

[@theaddreport]

Is suffering supposed to make you stronger and closer to Jesus or not? I have heard conflicting views on this from different persons I've talked to in life.

[@MiguelTheFirst133]

okay okay, first it is NOT a religious movement, it is part of the Roman Catholic Church itself, it has been approved by the Holy See, the reason that we seem to be a different sect is only because we form small communities like those the the Apostles themselves founded in the Early church & before all this the Bishop of the dioceses & priest first have to give their approval in other to even create a community. It is an Itinerant Formation of Christian adults in its basics, but so MUCH more.

[@theaddreport]

I'm dumb? I may be misinformed, but certainly not dumb. I've read literally hundreds of articles and comments from both sides of the debate, adn while I admit, the video was a little polemic, it was certainly not meant to malign ALL the Way, just the groups who participate in these mishaps, and they do exist, make no mistake about it.

[@curlyfits]

theaddreport Trying to RETRACT YOUR WORDS is like having emptied a feather pillow in the high wind, and now having to gather and put each and every one of those feathers back in the pillow case. 😱 *Matthew 12:36 “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account on the day of Judgement.”

[@Mirani2]

Former members have told me that the tithe happens every month for members who have been in a while.

[@boytigdas]

Instead of hating her, we have to pray for her. For we can't be Christians if we don't accept persecutions. To follow Christ is to be hated by this world, so we have to thank people like her because it helps in making us humble.

[@catuvellauni1]

You must be in the Way as this is standard scripted speech from them. People aren't persecuting and hating you, you are being brainwashed and isolated into this group being your whole life. So much so that it seems your world would collapse if you left it. I was in it for many years and was basically a vulnerable young person being prayed upon and then made to recruit others to it. "The world" is a place we all have to live in and get on, it is not an evil thing that you are "better than", which is what The Way teaches.

[@theaddreport]

I'm the devil because I'm misinformed? What a tolerant, enlightened belief system!

[@theaddreport]

I'm sure some aspects of the Way are great, and that it helps people, but there are some parishes who abuse the way as well.

[@theaddreport]

Thank you for your opinion. Perhaps it would be easier to agree with Neocatechumenal things if they were in context, yes. If a Way group comes near my area, I will check it out.

[@Droga-do-Raju]

Benedict XVI (JAN. 17, 2011):"Another significant step carried out in these days,with the approval of the competent dicasteries of the Holy See, is the Catechetical Directory of the Neocatechumenal Way. With these ecclesiastical seals, the Lord confirms today and entrusts to you again this precious instrument that is the Way, so that you can, in filial obedience to the Holy See and to the pastors of the Church". I hope the Holy See's discernment is more reliable than what this young lady says...

[@lishmahlishmah]

Krzysztof Broszkowski OP . Read all the documents from the Holy See (and from all the popes, and also all the speeches from Benedict to the NC). Just read the documents and obey the Mother Church. Nothing else than this, obeying to the Church established by my Lord Jesus Christ. If He is also Your Lord and Your Saviour , just obey to the Church He wanted on this earth. The only One Church that He still wants on this earth. He payed His beloved Church with His Sacred Blood. Just remember this and be honest. Read all the documents. The original documents. Not the ones made with copy-and-paste by your "catechists". God bless. May He enlighten your mind and your heart with His infinite Mercy.