The TRUTH About Oregon Shutting Down Small Farms

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[@LoneStar-pg4rc]

It is illegitimate for the government to require a permit for regulating the use of water for ANY reason except for large commercial use, as in a chicken farming operation. What do you do as a homeowner when you piss off the government enough that they deny or terminate your permit because they don't like the fact that you are a so-called "Christian Nationalist" and are deemed a threat to the evil regime in power? You, sir, is what is called a useful idiot. All of the fears people are concerned about with the issues of personal water use and small private food gardens are reality. UN Agendas 21 and 2030 specify a global population, IN THEIR OWN PUBLISHED WORDS, of only 500 million, the excess simply dying for want of medical care and being killed off by whatever means are necessary, including starvation. Please WAKE UP, sir! Do a little research... UN Agenda 21 is a great place to start.

[@justinburger1760]

What a click bait, misleading title & premise: Your video is titled "The Truth About the Oregon Shutting Down Small Farms" yet you focus nearly exclusively on "non-commercial" uses of water. Oregon >IS< shutting down small farms. This isn't how it's gone since the early 1900's as you suggest. the bureaucracy has changed, recently and the technology they use to enforce (satellite imagery) is the difference. You say a couple times in the video that there are misleading videos and yours falls exactly in that category. Maybe title the video "Can you garden in Oregon".

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

If I'm wrong, reply back and cite your sources for proving me wrong. I'm more than happy to own up to it if I got it wrong, but I don't think that's the case here.

[@jefferybabula8887]

As a realtor who makes a living selling land you kind of have a vested interest in minimizing this. And the water isn't the only issue. For one example if you have even a small amount of livestock like ten cows or a dozen or two of chickens you have to build very expensive containment facilities like a huge commercial farm would that a lot of people frankly can't afford.

[@Beardedfurflinger]

The Oregon Dept of Arg/Water Mgmt has been using satellite technology to spie,regulate & control small farm usage,requiring permits & upgrades costing noncommercial small operations money they can't afford to spend,there's documented proof of several law suites against this & usage of satellite for spying on American Citizens by any government is a violation of the 4th amendment period

[@prwlncoogr]

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[@silki24]

Hi, could you please elaborate more ? WHat are they looking for in the Satellite images ? What are the main reasons why they are shutting down small farms ? Very concerning, I would like to learn more

[@julieknudsen6297]

For these very small commercial farms this is a devastating situation. In order to get those permits, very very costly changes have to be made that are probably unaffordable to many of those much NEEDED farms. If the state can find a situation to limit people’s water usage, they will. For Oregon to have a water shortage, especially where I live, it would take a major event. In my area we are waterlogged. Because Oregon cram packs many many people in certain areas, I can understand water concerns because so much is being used in those targeted overpopulated areas. But by in large, Oregon is a very very green state, but even so, the people who seem to ALWAYS get in office in Oregon, just LOVE to exert power and control over Oregons citizens and resources. Proof of that was in the Covid YEARS. And yet, Oregon has the worst managed forests due to the liberal idea of limiting any work on the forests that could curtail fires! It’s as though they’re saying, “don’t use the water citizens, because the forests will need it when they burn every year due to our lack of management.”

[@muzkat101]

Illegal pot farming in California has led to one of the greatest water usages in our state. Aside from that, population & business growth in California has been another factor in the decline of water availability. The amount of rain and snow fall across California has not decreased by any marginal significance in over several decades... it is not drought nor 'climate change' that is causing our water shortage, it is continued growth, demand, and mismanagement of our water in our state... as I am sure it may be in Oregon as well.

[@ctbrodie]

Everyone seems to forget that the water bottling corporations continue to pump and pump and pump, often in excess of how the aquifers can recharge. Some of these water rights they are using date back to the 19th century. When the aquifers are overused, toxins or contaminated water will backfill into the aquifers, thus rendering them permanently unusable. It also lowers the water table, causing plants with deep roots to have a harder time getting enough water. I think this stresses trees, making them more susceptible to disease. The effects continue to cascade and we, the people, are the ones are paying the price.

[@muzkat101]

@@ctbrodie another good point well said, thank you for sharing it.

[@rockingredpoppy9119]

And the almond growers in CA use extreme amounts of water.

[@Absaalookemensch]

The Idaho water resources commissioner curtailed water rights on 500,000 of farm land. Oregon is curtailing commercial small market gardens yet they allow irrigation of golf courses.

[@kerbyjackson88]

That's because Oregon has become dramatically anti-Agriculture. That includes local governments here in Southern Oregon.

[@findbradford]

I bet they didn't didn't do it on the pot farms

[@findbradford]

people get what they vote for and it's a Democrats win none of us will have rights to our property.

[@Absaalookemensch]

@@findbradford No pot farms in Idaho. I don't know about Potland though.

[@timothygorman2846]

It's not just Oregon. The entirety of the government is in the pocket of big Agriculture, and are doing their level best to shut down all small scale, local food sources. This eliminates our food security and freedom, which are essential to our overall health and freedom.

[@Metaphysics-for-life]

I lived on 3 acres in the Siskiyou foothills. Many of my neighbors lost their well water when a development went in higher up in the mountains. Our well was deep but the creek dried up. I think there needs to be some kind of management.

[@kcwallacetube]

I can understand focusing on residential single family detached housing with 1/2 acre or less as a realtor. But the legislation regarding water use and livestock waste management affects a large swath of land owners in the one to 20 acre range that are still private family farms. The CAFO legislation (concentrated animal feeding operations) and the waste management requirements would affect even family farms with existing water rights. You’re unable to even keep livestock unless you have at least one acre.

[@kevinskiles2033]

The requirement was rescinded.

[@silki24]

@@kevinskiles2033 really ? THat would be good news

[@nancyinoregon809]

I'm a microfarmer so I'm signed up for notifications from the Oregon Water Resources Department (OWRD) and saw this information in a 6/12/2024 email: "The Department has been informed that the water right transaction process improvement legislative concept placeholder will not move forward to the 2025 session. This does not mean that concepts for water right transaction process improvements will not move forward, but rather if they do it will be via another bill vehicle that is not an OWRD pre-session filed bill. We will continue to work on concepts and evaluate where there are opportunities to move ideas forward. The Department is taking some time evaluate ideas received both internally and externally and will be reaching back out when more information is available." If you're interested in Oregon water use I'd encourage you to sign up for OWRD notifications. As I mentioned in another reply here, I'm not a fan of Oregon state government in any way, but/so it's a good idea to keep up with what they're doing in areas that affect me.

[@larrysorenson4789]

If something this egregious were to actually happen then the farmers and citizens must unite and begin a campaign to recall, impeach the electeds behind the legislation. Get people in office who supporrted this OUT then defund rogue woke agencies and bureaus! Clean house.

[@julieknudsen6297]

I’m all for that.

[@timothygorman2846]

We have mail in voting, and the SOS has made it impossible to access the voter rolls, because they want them bloated with all the ineligible voters so they can harvest their ballots and use NGO's to fill out the ineligible ballots and make the elections go whatever way they want.

[@miatika]

Most of the videos I’ve seen complaining about these regulations are complaining that they can’t homestead, because they need more than 1/2 an acre which requires permitting. Or they may want to sell a few thousand dollars worth of fruits, vegetables, eggs, dairy, etc. to help make ends meet, are no longer able to make that economically viable because of the increase costs from the bureaucracy. I think you’re missing the point. You’re so focused on selling property that you aren’t seeing the way this affects people who aren’t your clients.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

You must not have watched the entire video...

[@johnday4368]

The clicking sound effects in this video are REALLY irritating. Please get rid of them.

[@wilddesertladiesvanlife4399]

We live in. Southern oregand you do have to watch what you buy for property. At where we live the farmers have bought up all the water rights. We collect rainwater and it does make a big difference.It helps balance out how much water we use. But we also know a lot of the small farms in the valley have lost the rights to The glow vegetables

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

The small farms have not lost water rights. That's a lie.

[@silki24]

is it raining enough that rain water collection makes sense beyond residential needs ? Thanks

[@miatika]

@@BuyingSouthernOregon I’ve seen a few videos about the permits and things increasing in expense. So yes, technically they still could keep using water like they have. The claims I’m hearing is that the economics have changed. The rules are more stringent and expensive to follow. So it makes small scale farming for any kind of profit impossible. This commenter says the know people in that situation. You simply reply “thats a lie” does either side have more convincing evidence than their anecdotes or opinions?

[@BobBrandon]

I'm sorry, I couldn't watch the whole video due to the sound effects. They are cute once or twice, and that's all.

[@wadeconney6507]

This needs to be brought to everyone’s attention! The farmers market are on their way out! They say these rules are for the big companies and it doesn’t affect the small farmers! Disgusting lie. 100% fact checkable.

[@bowtieblue24]

The pot farms use all the damn water🙄 not actual farmers for food

[@KEW1945]

Don't worry, Chapter 537 - Appropriation of Water, directly covers them also.

[@diyoregonnowtexas9202]

When you buy a property in Oregon it may or may not already have water rights. If not it is extremely difficult or impossible to get them. They dont like awarding them. If you do not have water rights you cannot irrigate crops for resale from your well. You can get huge tanks and have them filled, but you cant use the well water or stream water etc. If you are on a water system from the city or water company, you can do it, because you're paying for it I believe.

[@russwoodward8251]

If water rights are not in your deed, you’re going to have great difficulty getting a permit. Most all of the water in Oregon is spoken for already. I live in Eastern Oregon (where allegedly “nobody” lives?) and we have conditional rights to use surface water. It’s how we get water to drink and wash our clothes water the yard, etc. We border a river, which for the first year we know of, has had salmon returning. So all this fuss about water is paying off to some extent.

[@jenniferyates-8963]

Someone BIG must want that land

[@user-ne8os8gf2u]

As a child growing up in Southern Oregon, I was frequently told "nobody owes you anything". Not water rights, not timber rights, not land, not any of it. I was taught life is "survival of the fittest, and dog eat dog. The strong eat the weak." Many of these crusty, back woods antigovernmental types sure do seem to feel a lot of entitlement. Crazy!

[@realityobservationalist7290]

What does this concept, which speaks to the importance of self-reliance, hard work, and independence, have to do with the matter of the government taking away your access to land resources ON YOUR PRIVATELY OWNED PROPERTY? Sounds like you grew up in Ashland......

[@realityobservationalist7290]

Tbc, I am also a born-and-raised southern Oregoner. Your leftist mentality doesn't really align with 90% of the state.

[@timothygorman2846]

You are entitled to what you own. Just like no one "owes you water rights", no one has authority to restrict your access to water. The state only has authority to regulate those situations in which one person's usage impacts others access to water. But they have overstepped that authority to regulate use that doesn't impact other people's access. There is no logical argument that the state has any authority to prevent you from doing anything that doesn't negatively impact another person's rights. To believe otherwise requires an incorrect belief in the omnipotence, the godhood, of the state. In short, the state is the also religion of such people.

[@user-ne8os8gf2u]

@@timothygorman2846 You are entitled to what you can keep. Ask the natives. This land was taken by force and any entitlement beyond that is wishful thinking. You cannot go against the federal government no matter how wronged you feel yourself to be. You're going to lose.

[@fredsimmons2793]

This was good common sense,which is sadly lacking today Brian.Keep the faith.

[@ediewall6360]

What about building a personal swimming pool on your land?

[@dougriedweg9002]

I have water rights on my farm in Oregon please stop well use on commercial use. You own garden go ahead

[@sarahtucker5813]

Down in Arizona and the Nevada area, the natives are not getting for there communities, they say its a water shortage problem, but they don't even have the water rights, but in most cases they water is in shortage what do they do they raise the price of that water, there is a lot of forrest in Oregon, you can't charge the Forrest for the water. But the is alot of rain this year, the plants ate still going to grow, besides where is the fresh food going to come from china. Oregon is a Democrat state and this is what they do to people look at the rest of the country, and what the biden administration has done, we don't have to take there bullshit anymore, vote them out. And get someone better

[@wheelchairgardener1403]

You left out so much info. good grief

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

Provide more links on your comment if I missed anything .

[@lcm0578]

STILL a shortage of water after our record amount of rainfall???

[@petekonovalov3907]

They are shutting down small farms. A backyard garden for personal use is different. Small farms have to monitor, submit water measurements(usage, and level in well pipes, which usually means paying a third party), and to pay for this, every year. The state has decided to attack people with newer "water rights", restricting usage based off of some imaginary amount. You are trying to minimize the reality because of trying to sell real estate, quite the conflict of interest.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

I'm trying to make it clear that the folks out there saying you can't have a garden are wrong. There is a lot of bad info, so I provided the facts from the state...not an opinion.

[@timothygorman2846]

The title of the video refers to the truth about Oregon shutting down small farms. Then you change it to explaining that it isn't illegal to have a garden. Those are two different issues. That's called moving the goalposts.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

@@timothygorman2846 The premise of the video is that lots of people are talking about how Oregon is shutting down small farms, when in reality they are shutting down small farms that are using water that they don't have the actualy rights to use. The confusion is that people don't think they can have a small farm or a garden on their property because of what they hear on the news and other sources that are incorrect, when in reality they can have up to a half acre...unless there is some other restriction from an HOA, Zoning Ordinace, etc. that would prevent it.

[@timothygorman2846]

@@BuyingSouthernOregon the state can only regulate water usage if one person's usage is preventing other people's access. The small farmers have the right to the water if they aren't hindering other people's access. The government illegally changed its rules, violating due process rights, by requiring individuals to prove that their usage doesn't unduly impact the water resources in the area. Under due process principles the state has to prove that your usage unduly impacts the resource before they can take any action to stop you. These new rules only impact small scale farmers as the costs involved are too much for them, The rules barely affect large agricultural companies because they have the resources to deal with the regulations. That's a bad thing. Glossing it over, and trying to justify gross misconduct of the state shows a complete disregard for individual rights and freedom.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

​@@timothygorman2846 here's what I know... The state owns the water and you have to have water rights to use the water for irrigating anything over a half acre. That's a fact. If you're trying to make a point that the current situation is illegitimate for whatever reason, you're completely entitled to have that opinion. I am not arguing that. I'm just letting people know that this is the current situation.

[@quartytypo]

We don't need farms. we have lab grown meat. How difficult is it to create lab grown vegetables?

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

😂😂😂

[@silki24]

great video, very informative, but one thing about the trouble that many seem to have, there is something else that seems to shut down small farms, what about this issue with the covered ground for livestock, it seems gravel in front of a horse or cow shed is already causing problems ?

[@rafenatho5406]

The legalization of marijuana in oregon has played into this as well. It created a boom growing community that took water from anywhere it could, legal or illegal, they didn't care. Enforcement from this boom jump started the enforcement

[@pamelawinfield9211]

How much water is needed to breed their darned bugs. Oh,that’s state owned

[@prwlncoogr]

It's all about the money and control

[@veronicamorgan-os4bv]

Fight. Do not comply

[@avv2795]

Emigrant lake fills from upper lakes but the government controls the water. They are making it almost impossible for homesteaders or small market farmers to get those permits you speak of. But you didn’t address any of that.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

I believe I did say the government controls the water and it was difficult to get new water rights. Fortunately, lots of the properties that are suitable for larger agriculture projects and use already have water rights associated with them so there is no need to go get what you already have.

[@rockdean1]

Not being honest. Why?

[@saltzmann1]

It is still BS.

[@croberts2358]

Well you might want to do your own digging into China since they said they're not going to export any more food to us. If we don't have our commercial farms and stuff going to be a lot of people don't have food.

[@joelmorris1053]

Excellent content! Thank you for dispelling the myths floating around out there.

[@BuyingSouthernOregon]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@timothygorman2846]

He didn't dispell the fact that Oregon has changed its precedent in how it enforced the 1909 law so that it is indeed shutting down small farms that were once able to operate without issue. Which is the topic of the video. But, since people can have gardens, we can pretend that none of that is happening.

[@derekmoore2779]

Time to change the goverment in Orgaon

[@jacksek12]

Nobody wants to live in oregon in fact eastern oregon wanrs to ve part of idaho

[@teresastorch-bh2tu]

Tragically, now reports are coming out that some eastern Id. spud growers are being told they have severely restricted water usage so the cobalt mines can be prioritized for the water

[@arniekando6846]

Contact Elon Musk and ask for him to make this a legal battle in courts, his money can fund the battle. The state WILL lose....

[@GreysonPlaisance]

Lololol Oregon would be the LAST place to do this. People will believe anything.