The Truth About Star Citizens

[@locknesst1920]

Good video! I agree the loudest people are not always the people we should be listening to I believe Star Citizen will become the game I want to see I had an account and threw a decent amount of money at it, I have since had a rethink and I refunded and closed my account and started a new one The crazed need to buy ships I have not since done, what I have done is get me a SQ42 access and a MR Aurora package (upgraded to an LN Aurora) which allows me to to earn REC in AC or SM and with this I can still enjoy the cooler ships and get to "play" the game for a reason.

[@DG360]

Bingo Lockness! I'm glad you got it :) Glad to have you in our community and check out our Discord and organization in the description. Hope to see more of you!

[@jonny_gage]

DaGaimez and people some how hack the game a lot.

[@makoderkam3407]

Beep beep boop boop! Overall I've found the SC community to be amazing. There's a few trolls or people who like to stir things up. Usually very vocal and easy to focus on, but the vast majority are good people who are friendly and willing to help others and do what they can to make the game so many of us are hoping it will be. The community will be a huge part of this being the best game out there.

[@DG360]

Mako Derkam Haha yes my friend. I have had a similar experience :)

[@jessiej3991]

The best advice I can give is stay away from the forums as I myself was demonized and banned for posting one video that proved with visual evidence that they were wrong. Sadly they could not handle the truth that was right in front of their eyes and I was banned from the game for it

[@drksideofthewal]

The biggest problem on Spectrum is the elitist attitude by some of the backers. We like to tell new backers, "you can just get the $45 package and play everything in the game." That should probably be amended with, "but no one will respect your opinion unless you get thousands of dollars worth of ships." Just because someone isn't rich or crazy enough to drop thousands of dollars on virtual ships, doesn't mean they can't make valid points about the game's development. Also, people are so desperate for the game to come out, they've become averse to any new ideas.

[@Mercurio-Morat]

I've seen a bit of this sort of attitude. I don't think it's the biggest problem but I dare say it's the most offensive problem - alongside the "been a backer longer than you have" nonsense. After all, who on earth would care how long someone's been a backer or how much money someone's spent - other than the individual's spouse?

[@Alysm-Aviation]

I can only support that to a limited degree, For example Grafton is a widely respected player, he is a scout.

[@Aaron565]

Organizations value players with assets, just like the real world. That would be reflected on spectrum inadvertently.

[@webbuniverse2247]

The problem with Spectrum is that there's no serious reason to be involved yet unless you're very passionate about it. Very passionate people are frequently elitist. Now, fast-forward to 2021 and I imagine a LOT more mature, level-headed people will be frequenting Spectrum and being fully-immersed in the game.

[@Dragon-Believer]

Yeah, in 2021 it might be close to finished.

[@networkservices3121]

As long as you agree, but if you even question this to the slightest degree they will rip you apart. The community is highly toxic once you do.

[@robertsmith1434]

I am a gamer, and a backer of Star Citizen since the KickStarter. I buy games all the time, and literally have over 800 on just my Steam account. I have been a gamer since 1983 when I got my first Atari 2600. I say all this to establish my credit-ability as an older gamer, but also and most importantly as an experienced gamer. I like the Star Citizen community... but. Yep, there is a but, you see it's like religion and politics at the dinner table. There some things you just cannot talk about with knowing there will be "issues". Again, I BELIEVE in this game (I own an Idris... and so many many others... it's like my crack) and all the money I have spent has been toward the dream of this game. I would spend every single cent again, even if I never got to see the game I wanted. I just think that Star Citizen has the best chance of making the game, the universe, the well, the mix between science fiction, gaming and role-playing that I have dreamed of since I picked up my first one button joystick on the Atari. People who spend $40 and people who spend $5000 should, at a basic level have exactly the same experience... which I also find freaking amazing. With a bit of background in IT, I don't think people realize exactly how transformative this game is going to be. I also think they are kind of unaware of just how many milestones and records in programming this game is setting, and OMG the amazing genius which is going into creating this game. This is a game which could only have been created this way. Nobody, and I mean nobody would have backed this game, or taken the next step to go from a basic current generation Wing Commander game (which was the original idea) and gone to this... the game Chris and people like him (me, you... etc. I assume) dreamed about while watching movies like Star Wars and playing games like the original Wasteland when I bought my very own Apple II+. Today I look back at these gaming firsts, Ultima IV, Ultima Online, Myst, Wing Commander, and the hyper-speed which they are accelerating at compared to even a decade ago.... the graphics, the sheer scale of simulations like Dwarf Fortress, the ART in gaming now, (which was not always a thing)... yep. It's time and this is the game. As far as the community.. like I said you just have to be a bit aware that certain subjects will stir some controversy. Any mention of Derek Smart (who is not the anti-Christ and has some valid points even if he is acting on a personal grudge against Chris that has existed for over two decades and is a bit of a dick), any comparison of it to Elite Dangerous (a great game in it's own right and one I play) and discussion of player privilege for big spenders (sigh... its a fact of life and I am sorry but Star Citizen handles it better than many so far I think). I have met some really great people and a few who... weren't. In the end I ceased arguing about anything to do with Star Citizen and my new mantra is "Well, wait and see I think it is going to be amazing". I will say that I have spoken with Derek Smart one on one, asked him several questions and he is nice enough to speak with as long as you are polite. If you come across as hostile... well it won't go well. I guess I can understand that. In any case I have written a small bible here but it's the first time in a while that I have said anything about Star Citizen in quite some time. All you fence sitters... I would buy in after 3.0 drops and you can get a real ideal of where it is going. For me that will be the "first" iteration of Star Citizen.

[@ezumin]

Here is something I have been frustrated with. It would be nice if CIG would poll/get feedback from people that actually own the ships. Take the Starfarer for example. It's great for the pirates that they have an FPS level for when they board the ship. The ship is a big empty maze of a box though. It seems like it grew so much in size to accommodate that FPS level, and now I have to run a bigger crew to operate it. I'm willing to bet that people that pledge for an industry ship want it to be as efficient and effective as possible. (Keep the ship as small as possible to reduce necessary manpower.) Is the Hull series, Reclaimer and Endeavor going to have the same fate? Will these ships be getting bigger, requiring more manpower to operate, to accommodate FPS interiors? Will the Reclaimer's and Orion's industrial processes be inaccessibly hidden in the walls like the Starfarer's fuel production is? Some of the guys in the UK that are doing ship design, have FPS backgrounds. They are talented men, and their talents should be used elsewhere on the project. The ships would be more immersive, and the sizes would be better managed, if they were designed from an engineering perspective (like the Caterpillar) instead of an FPS perspective.

[@DG360]

ezumin Very well said EZ. Good read.

[@Mercurio-Morat]

About bringing back polls, I agree and I think that the ship-owner only option needs to be available on a question by question basis rather than across the entire poll so that some questions are automatically answered as "I don't own this ship". The tricky part might be when you have a player answering in relation to a ship gifted to an alt account. Those alt accounts are not allowed to post or participate in the social sphere offered by the forums which is I suspect, especially, to prevent the use of sock puppets to skew voting in polls. So, if something like this was implemented, the forum/spectrum rules would have to be clarified and deepened on this question if room was going to be made for everyone. As for the Starfarer's architecture, I find it a very simple 3D layout with some bilateral symmetry and which seems to make sense in terms of getting from one part of the ship to another. The Caterpillar's layout took me a longer to learn and, I suspect, the larger ship layouts will be more difficult to learn. This said, turn off the gravity and lights in anything bigger than a Retaliator and I suspect that many people are going to have trouble finding their way around. Also, if the game ever gets a 3D maze, you'll know about it. Plenty of players will really scream about it being "impossible". I've never published any of mine but I can say that it all revolves around using the orientation of the overall architecture to muddy the cardinal points. And, unless you can just respawn somewhere else or load a previous save, you're stuck until you figure out how to map the maze with pen and paper, as you go. How's that Jurassic Park quote go? "There'll be running... and screaming ... and", and, well, without the dying bit if it's an especially sticky maze.

[@TruthIsKey369]

you can go solo on the big ships, but you need a butload of NPCs :)

[@ezumin]

@ Mercurio - It seems reasonable that CIG can use their database to see who owns a ship and who doesn't. For example... When the Defender went on sale, I received an email from CIG stating something to the effect of : We see you own a BMM. Here is a $7 coupon code to use on a Warbond Defender. Some database work could be used to incorporate ship ownership to our Spectrum accounts for surveys.

[@ezumin]

@ Rene - Thanks for the response. It isn't about using a ship for solo gameplay. It's about costs to operate the ship. I own industry ships to make UEC. Compare the proportional volume of the forward cabin area of the concept Starfarer to the finished product. The portion of the ship that houses the FPS level, grew disproportionally. The ship is bigger to accommodate it's FPS floorplan. Increasing the size of the ship (so it can accommodate a FPS floorplan) unnecessarily increases crew requirements. It really isn't about the Starfarer though, it's about similar practices being implemented on other ships. Other things that also concern me are things like the industrial mechanisms (ie: Fuel refinement equipment and pipes) of the ship are inaccessibly hidden in the walls. The ships loose a lot of immersion if the Reclaimer's reclamation or the Orion's mining occurs magically inside the walls. Let's see conveyor belts and metal scrap/ore riding on them! =-) The ships are going to be pretty sterile if they: A. Only using a small portion of the ships interior. B Have maze like floor plans, half height walls to hide behind, and choke points for FPS. C. Screens on the wall being the only way to identify it as an industry ship. D. In bigger ships, put the components (ie: powerplant, engines) out in the open instead of hiding them in the walls. In a big ship, these components are huge and wouldn't be hidden behind wall panels. Rooms would exist so that the components could be easily repaired/maintained. E. Any large industry ship would have some type of med bay. Industrial work is dangerous. Anyway, thanks for reading. Hopefully I didn't go on and on.... too much.

[@ArcadyHolistic]

It's true. People are a product of their environment. Not really their fault. But I don't have to tolerate them, either. That's why we need an Anti-Contact List so in the Verse they will be less desirable to us, relatively speaking. Calling these captious types out (damn, I always wanted to use that word) will not change them in any way. It's best just to have a mechanism to relegate them to the misery pool.

[@brianvernall8487]

Well you have to wonder though, even my 40 year old moped had a key. You'd think that by this time, we'd have a biometric sensor interface that takes care of local security in your own ship. The ship that costs millions of whatever currency the game uses, with the latest in weapons, sensors and AI, gizmos up the Ganges and no way to secure it. WTF

[@Sinekyre14]

The main thought behind the ships is: how can we make money from this. Wake up man, this game is an absolute creative black hole. There is zero creativity in how it's being designed right now. It's just "more realism? sounds good, put it in the game!" and hoping it'll somehow turn out fun. Chris Roberts is running CIG like a dictator, and fun is not coming out the other end..

[@tealwraith9045]

Your ship has very little to it because it's only meant to fly and shoot right now. CR said that when the ship's systems get installed, like Item 2.0 stuff, you will be able to repair the ship and modify the ship and use all the engineering functions and navcomps and all that, AND, you will be able to control doors and lock the ship. I'm having incredible amounts of fun in SC right now and every time they make a new version, the fun gets better.

[@Sanguine_Entertainment]

CIG sitting here making planets and we've got people complaining about not having a key to their impossible to lose instantly respawning imaginary ship that exist solely to test the game. Its not a priority at all . . . its literally alpha testing . . . the only reason you're flying around to is TEST the game. Bringing up something like "hey, the thing you didn't add isn't in the game yet" only serves to waste everyone's time. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- @Rickbearcat - fights involving large and capital ships will indeed take much longer. Entire rooms can be breached and the ship still function. It can sit without engines and absorb fire for a much longer time than a single pilot plane. Fights with most ships now are comparable to aerial dogfights between fighter jets - with larger ships it will be more like ships firing cannons at one another - but with energy shields and force fields for added protection - and in 3 dimensions rather than just two (like being atop the ocean). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Also - I laugh at the people who are frantically trying to get people to "wake up" about Star Citizen. What purpose do you even serve guy? You've already paid for the game and are talking to people who have already paid for the game - but you're talking to them like you're trying to talk them off a cliff. There is literally no purpose to this other than an enjoyment in complaining. Also people mention "5 years" like its a long time . . . That's roughly how long it took to make Skyrim . . . and they didn't have to build a company from the ground up and begin with a kickstarter and redesign a game engine - they began with a AAA company in a world with an established lore with game mechanics that have been around for a long time. Bow and arrow shooting mechanics, basic projectile +particle effect magic, melee weapon swings, skill trees, separate 1st and 3rd person animation, single player game . . . so acting like its a big deal that its taking longer than Skyrim to make is just beyond foolish. Its always funny people will complain and say something like "I have a lot of game design experience" and CIG bla bla bla. Ask them what game they made . . . and wait. Star Citizen will come out before they give you a truthful answer. People making stuff in RPG maker and acting like they're experts :P

[@networkservices3121]

Truth is after 5 years all they have given us is a buggy mess. 3.0 will determine if long time backer bail or not. As it looks now. There will be an exodus.

[@tealwraith9045]

There is a type of gamer that gets excited by the idea of being a BTK-style mass murderer. They can't do it in real life as they would get arrested, so they live out their malevolent fantasies by doing every evil thing they can think of in gaming. I hope SC will have a substantial penalty system for these people that forces them to perma rage quit. Then there are the people who are so stupid that they can't learn to go through the airlock to get to the launch pads where their ship spawned so they demand insta-port into their cockpit. My hope is that the game is not dumbed down and these people lose interest in the PU and stick to Star Marine. I'm not trying to insult anyone, just giving my opinion based on 35+ years of gaming.

[@cloakofshadow1]

Elite Dangerous solved it for me by putting in Solo Mode. which immediately has people shouting WELL IF YOU WANNA PLAY BY YOURSELF, PLAY [x game]!!!!1". and i say nah. in a game where acquiring ships takes AGES, and building up funds takes AGES, and you can destroy all of it in one second just by botching a takeoff or landing, WHY would i want to stick my dick out into the hurricane that is online gaming and pray to the gods of human nature that it won't be immediately sheered clean off by some idiot camping an area? why would i risk my ships? my time? i doubt SC will have a solo mode, but you can be sure it's going to get messy when people have the choice to be assholes or not.

[@a.dzavid]

Tealwraith You couldn't have said it any better!

[@emessar]

Here's what I think should happen. When they're caught, they should be tried and sentenced to the "dark server" for a length of time based on their crimes. That's effectively how they serve their time ... is being stuck in a world with other people like them. If they continue to do crimes there and get caught, it extends their sentence. That gives the law abiding Star Citizens a bit of a reprieve from their activities. And they get to face what it's like living in a world with others like them. I think it would be more rewarding as a bounty hunter as well. It would suck to bring someone in for their crimes and see them flying around a half-hour later.

[@joesgotmore]

Well technically SQ42 is solo mode. :) But I get it. I just think that it isn't going to be as harsh as you describe it. Yeah if you go into fringe space outside the protected UEE you could get screwed. But if you know that then best to protect yourself before you do. Practice in the safer parts of space then go to the Banu flotillas. :)

[@MBiTzBigRed]

So you think people that commit murder in a video game or Player killing means that they are living out some sick fantasy that can't be satisfied in real life because of the laws that restrict them??? So Im a sick murder now because I like to PvP in video games lol. Everyone is entitled to their wrong ass opinions I guess

[@Daniel.Liddicoat]

My only concern about SC is that by the time it's released my computer won't be able to run it.

[@Sanguine_Entertainment]

Elon Musk is going to beat him to the punch in the real world before Chris finally lets us fly into the verse. :P

[@networkservices3121]

You cant runt his buggy mess now what makes you think it will ever run properly when they chose the wrong engine to do this with. You cant make a 4 cylinder produce 5000 HP.

[@yvindhytten9569]

Hmm. I largely feel the same way about people who say things like "they've already got the money, where's their incentive to actually make the game now?" or "it's already taken forever, why isn't the game finished yet? What does CIG even have to show for it?" These people strike me as someone who've read a few lines in an article on about Star Citizen on some gaming news website by some prejudicing author, and decided to agree with everything they read there. After all the development HAS taken 4-5 years already, and that's not normal for any game, is it? Have you ever heard about another game that is still in development 5 years after you first hear about it, and still isn't expected for at least a few years to come? And CIG has kept pushing the expected release date due to their iteratively increasing scope for the game up until the point where they've presumably just stopped trying to predict a certain release date. It's like they don't even bother trying to fool us that there is eventually going to be a game at all, am I right? These people don't strike me as people who would give informative fan made content, or even CIG's own KZbin content, the time of day. A lot of their arguments make me think they're completely oblivious to the fact there's actually a playable alpha, and have no idea that there's tangible development going on that we backers get to experience first hand, being implementations of new ships in game, new features like Star Marine that came with patch 2.6, or the plans they have for 3.0, which is due in just a few months time. Being realistic, I'm totally aware that 3.0 might get pushed forward, like it's already been once now in the very short period since it was first announced, but still I'm pretty certain it'll come in a few months time; just like 2.6 and every other patch before that. Even the fact that this game depends on fundraising, being the reason why everyone's been hearing about it from the start of its development unlike most other games from big, commercial, "reputable" publishers don't really seem to sink in. You didn't hear about that Call of Duty or Ubisoft game years in advance simply because the publisher didn't need you to. Here there's a difference. By all means, it's perfectly healthy to provide constructive critisism. People should be aware that this is a work in development, that the stuff they actually pledge for may be subject to change, that there is a slight possibility that this game may never actually be finished, and that you won't be eligible for a refund if it doesn't. However, this sort of critisism that I'm talking about here isn't constructive at all. I don't mind if haters really want to miss out on a great game like this, the bad part is they tend to spread their hatred toward this game through web forums, KZbin and social media, poisioning other newcomers' perspective of this game's potential. It's hard to battle word of mouth and rumor mongering with actual facts after these rumors have settled in. As to in-game trollers; yeah, I've seen them on occasion. They don't bother me much, though. PvP is part of the game, so what I consider trolling is mostly people ramming ships. They tend to explode themselves eventually, spawning back at Hex. No biggie.

[@MonteKristof]

The good experience is that since I play the citizens always have been very helpfull to me as I try to be to them as well. I have been able to try ships by just asking while I let others try my ship. The bad experience is that I always play between 5 and 15 fps, never had more, and it mostly stay at 8 - 10.

[@utopian6971]

We currently have someone as you've described in a leadership position in our org. They've consolidated a lot of power at the top, and they're doing a lot of damage to the org's structure. The individual in question is so entrenched that I have no idea how to remedy the situation outside of a full on mutiny and splitting out hundred of members up. Beware these people.

[@DG360]

uTopian my best advice is just to leave and start your own org

[@shafferbuttars]

Good vid, great topic. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a new player come into the forums, excited by the prospects of the game, and pitch their thoughts and ideas in the forums only to get cruelly and brutally beaten down and insulted from forum regulars. It's one thing to correct, but people love to do it by insulting, personal attacks. It is so disheartening to see in a project I care about so much. Recently CIG put out a call for things that new players should know. At the top of the list should be a warning that the forums are not a friendly place to share your ideas. There is good discussion there, but it is not friendly and any ideas your share will be treated with derision. Sad, but true.

[@DG360]

Totally agree and one of the reasons I made the vid Shaff :) Welcome to our community! Check out our Discord sometime. Love to have you there.

[@MBiTzBigRed]

You know in life usually the loudest person is the one to get heard. Whether it is something good or bad. You get heard by voicing your opinion or by action. If you keep your mouth shut you will never be heard. Same as if you speak softly. Not saying people who not as vocal or as "loud" as other wont ever be heard, but the biggest impact literally comes from those that are loud or just lead by example/action.

[@Joisey11]

The people that I have met through the Organization that I joined have been, for the most part, amazing and wonderful. I've soured on the Forum (now Spectrum) community experience, not so much because of the posters, but the oppressive level of censorship by the moderators. I just don't feel free to speak my mind anymore.

[@mikeokismall3831]

I have been playing Elite for a while, and I would like to try Star Citizen. What Elite lacks SC seems to have and vise versa. Is now a good time to start it should I wait til 3.0?

[@DG360]

Korvette88 Now is a great time Korv. As someone who also plays Elite Dangerous, I commend you on your criticisms of both games. You're absolutely right. Welcome to the Community and tell me how you end up liking it. It's still in the early phases but it's worth h buying a starter package.

[@mikeokismall3831]

I am currently downloading it. 😁

[@Fastmn25]

I appreciate this video. I've been backing SC since 2013 and for the most part I've met great people willing to help newbies and I've even loaned my ship to a new guy who couldn't spawn his so he could get use to flying in the verse! I've seen amazing improvements with EVERY update they have sent out and I take an active stance in the the bug report community which actually I haven't had to report for a while cause I personally haven't experience any haha :). This game is BEING made and if you have followed this game you would see the progression and the passion in the developers and they have never lied to us about what was going on. They even have a small series about bugs they are fixing or have fixed. This company is the most open a company has ever been in the gaming community for a AAA game.

[@zelange69]

i totally love the game, and where it go, i totally understand that it take more time! Sometime i disagree with the commercial aspect but i understand it's needed and it's also effective. I have great problem with communication and especially when CR come in convention and claim 3.0 is hoped before the end 2016, and now we can see that it's clearly impossible to them to be able to bring it, it's just not respectful of backer, old or new and i fear those error of communication can finally hurt the game... The production schedule report is probably the best step in the right direction they can made.

[@NormFC]

I love the idea of the game. I invested because I loved playing space flight sims when i was younger. Just wish they would pump more game play into the PTU with the tools they have. To show how fun the game can be. I also think they need to pull back on the control options. I spent like 15 minutes today talking to new plays in area 18 because they couldn't figure out what to do. They were impressed, but overwhelmed. It makes it hard to bring my friends into the game. Impressive but overwhelming to execute, underwhelming to play atm.

[@DG360]

Christopher Bryant Yes and I agree that they should introduce more into the Pu and they will in 3.0 so don't worry.

[@michaelknight2897]

When is the full game coming out?

[@BriannaMemis_Breezy1]

I have personally backed Chris and the Star Citizen project since early 2014, to the tune of $11,000 now. It really is the future of communal PC gaming. We have built a large Organization around SC and it's potential. We are positive thinking and always looking forward! Thank you for keeping the focus on the bold and bright future :)

[@DeanMichaud]

To be fair, I tend to just tune out the noise; but now and then there will be an irritant that gets to you. Learn to recognize when you encounter an irritant, and learn to just ignore it. Having said that - to be honest, I've not had a super-negative experience yet, but my current rig barely pushes the game right now. I had one Loud Box freaking out on me the first night I played Star Marine; he went totally Loud-Mode ON when I was trying to figure out the controls, learn to deal with 20 frames per second when I went "outdoors", and get my bearings around the current map. But, once I figured things out, Loud Box and his noise went away, and things were all good. OH! And then there is the time when I died the first time I found an airlock and decided the DANGER warning was meant to noobs... turns out these airlocks are dangerous... and wouldn't you know it, there was Loud Box again (or his next of kin) laughing at my corpse. To be fair, THAT... that *was* pretty damned funny. Loud Box made me laugh even more. Oh Loud Box, what are you doing today. I wonder.

[@DeanMichaud]

Rickbearcat hehehe. As a Canadian that has a cottage near a lake in the middle of literally-no-where... yes, I have endured that scenario for what seems like endless summer days. But, in all seriousness, I know what you mean man - there are some that are real true annoyances. Thankfully, this had not happened to me in this game... I have had it "happen" in other games, but I just walked away from that player, or scenario, or that game in worst case scenarios. There is always somewhere else to go, something what to do, and other likable ppl to just hang out with. Thankfully.

[@DeanMichaud]

Rickbearcat if they implement such a thing (hey, Al... this could be a follow up topic for this vid), and it worked well, that would be great. I have not seen great implementations of this, I have seen ok attempts, where you can /ignore people, or a system where cheaters/bad seeds get relegated to servers of like-kind and mind... but some games just say "live with it" and to hell with the consequences (looking at you, Elite). When I was playing PlanetSide 2 for a couple solid years, leading one of many coordinated platoons, there were bad seeds that really get under people's skin. We would get creative to misdirect them, and confuse them leaving them vulnerable and dead on the battle field. Some got the hint and smartened up, others just made more noise and lost friends, others looked for like minds to try and up the ante. If ever a game creates a great mechanic that actually curbs the annoying from becoming a problem... that would be grand. :)

[@DeanMichaud]

Rickbearcat ooof... wow. now there is something to think about. Even if this was not in SC, but some other game... that could be interesting. Feeling caustic and likely to burst into full on destroy all humans mode, potty-mouth engaged, and ready to make babies cry? Then flip the lever to blood red. ... or maybe you got a card and care package from Grandma, and it's cookies and fudge, and you just want to toot along in your shop and bask in the celestial beauty of the game as you enjoy Grandma's baked goods... then set the switch to soft blue, put on the puffy slippers and flyyy.... No joke, though - kind of a kooky, but also interesting idea there. Not one I'd thought of before - kinda like deciding on mood music as you settle in for the night. Kinda fun to imagine how that'd work.

[@Sanguine_Entertainment]

I actually might talk to Al about doing a followup myself and posting, idk. I certainly have some thoughts on anti-greifing and crime mechanics for SC.

[@emessar]

The community has been pretty awesome overall, especially outside the game. I've been attacked or trolled a bit in game ... but it's gone down over time. RE: feedback and CIG - They've already changed things based on feedback, so I don't think that's an issue. RE: not finishing the game - I laugh at that too. It will be nice when it's done ... totally the best FU to the haters. RE: SC news from youtubers (I'm guessing that's what you meant by beepbeepboopboop) - I think it's useful for a couple reasons. I watch it because occasionally I miss stuff from the CIG shows, or the youtuber may have some insight that I hadn't thought of. For others, it's like the Reader's Digest version of the shows. They'll take an hour of content and boil it down to a quick 5 minute version. Not everyone wants to sit through hours of CIG shows to get their SC info, so the KZbinrs are a quick alternative.

[@BigDesta]

i agree bro its sad that ppl these days care more about trolling, enforcing their own opinion on ppl than having a decent conversation with someone an maybe having an enlightenment in their lives but o well life is life death is death an sheep will be sheep WAO

[@networkservices3121]

When you realize they sell a ship you cannot crew on a server because they cannot hold enough players. You will be gin to see what this truly is.

[@SteveeB41]

There are many people in the game that are great, but as with anything, there are the jerks. My experience with jerks started from my first mission, my first time in the PU. I just got to the station to do the PI mission and upon entering, was instantly shot about 10 times. I have noticed that since Star Marine began, that less of that happens. People were looking for a fight. Now, they have a place to shoot other players. When 3.0 starts, there will be less of that because of persistent damage and more places to go.

[@pcspecies6686]

So far most SC players I've met in the PU have been very nice, but I know once there is something to gain from someone else's loss that's all going to change. I can accept that, as long as there are more people willing to help against those people than are willing to join those people. We need players like this, as pure pve causes no drama.

[@avidian888]

I've been with this project since summer 2014 and I now see a pattern in people's behavior about Star Citizen. Mostly they start getting impatient and frustrated between March and August and then they show off good stuff at GamesCom and Citizen Con and they're hyped. So I always expect them to be very loud at this time around now, so does CIG. Just having a good tea and chilling with my Mass Effect trilogy playthrough, Andromeda is cancer. ;)

[@swetzel227]

I've been a backer of star citizen ever since Christmas of 2013 and most of the people I have encountered in-game have been really nice and amazing but there will always be those people that will get angry and go into defense mode when they're wrong about something. I met this one guy who got really mad and told me to kill myself when I proved him wrong about his random F7C Hornet he doesn't remember getting being a loaner ship of the constellation since the constellation can't go into arena commander.

[@loconius]

I totally wanna expand the star citizen brand with things like board games, but specifically role playing games!!!

[@MrSebby13]

I can tell you about my experience, Star Citizen is my dream game come true but like i always suspected it will be the players that destroy this game just like Eve and here's why, I backed the game in 2013, excited as hell i got the admiral package and the first look at the Connie. I was in love, As the years went on i waited and waited like everyone else and finally was able to fly my ship. After months of playing I tried to make the best out of it with the ICC missions that we all have done a million times but of course boredom does set in. I decided to take on the role of a pirate, a role I would soon regret because guess what another name for a pirate is?, A troll or a griefer. As a pirate I attacked anything that moved, that was my job, Ninetales was programed to be a pirate, some might call him a griefer or a troll cause he attacks lol I was a pirate but certain players did not like that and complained to CIG and i was soon welcomed with a suspension email for the duration of 2.6 claiming I had broken there terms of service. i was amazed. They didn't tell me exactly what I had done wrong, just an email saying suspended from 2.6 till 3.0. i wrote and wrote them requesting my account be reinstated but it fell on deaf ears. Pirates were welcome by CIG but i got suspended for being one because some little baby couldn't handle his ship being destroyed and having too wait the 2 min for a respawn. I wonder how they will handle 3.0 when there ship is scratched or destroyed and they can not respawn as they could in 2.6. CIG will have to hire an army to deal with the ban request and complaining. I love this game and i took my hits not ever thinking once i would try to get someone banned if they destroyed me but there are so many in the community that will record your actions to use against you and try to bait you in the chat so you swear at them. It disgusts me. Anyways, I'm an Original Backer and 3.0 PTU is available now and here I sit still waiting for my account to be reactivated. So much for promises of being first in line in PTU situations. Anywho thanks for reading and I'd say see you in the verse but the way things look, I probably won't

[@DG360]

Wow man. Thank you for sharing and as a fellow pirate this concerns me very much my friend. Welcome to our community. Look forward to seeing you more.

[@thefloorhasgone]

beepbeepboopboop.. a new expression I've learned from this video! :) the new cutlass looks freaking beautiful.

[@DG360]

Paul Summerfield haha good man and welcome to the community.

[@DenethorDurrandir]

I think the star citizen community will be close to EVE's community, or at least hope so, and if you don't have experience with that game, EVE online's community is hands down the best community I ever saw in any game, it has lot to do with maturity and inteligence of the players such games attract and, at least in eve's case, require

[@istvan5674]

I only started backing the game this past February and I'll continue to drop money on it as long as I see it going a direction that interests me. So far, I've been very happy with what I see CIG doing, albeit slowly, in moving towards a respectable alpha build in 3.0 and beyond. The fact is that I might not live long enough to fully enjoy the released game, age is catching up with me. However, I have many younger gamer friends, fellow guild members, who will enjoy the game that I financially backed. I already have a succession plan for my account and the ships I've spent $$$ on. As for trolls in the forums and on the interwebz, I ignore them. I don't have time to waste spending it arguing with idiots, which is a losing proposition anyway since all they do is drag you down to their level. In game I run into those what just want to shoot their fellow players. Persistent death and costs will slow some of that but we have to accept that there are griefers, hackers and cheats in every game. Rather than let it ruin your day, report it with screenshot if possible and let CIG deal with them. As for legitimate pirates, I welcome the challenge. If it wasn't for them my organization, Executive Justice, wouldn't have a cause de guerre. As a retired cop turned security contractor (IRL) I've long know that without criminals there wouldn't be any reason to have a police/security force. Once the game has several star systems (and not just Stanton) we'll see a clean up of the heavily populated/patrolled areas and pirates will find natural havens on the fringes. The star map shows that those "frontier" areas lie between many of the more settled systems so the risk of piracy will always be with us and that spells profit to me. And I'm especially looking forward to trying to collect bounties in Banu space where representing the law doesn't just make you unpopular, it marks you as a target either for the slave market of Kins or death.

[@snowfox9461]

I've had both some people get to stuck on arguing there point of view and if you want to talk about something that challenges the way they think the game will be they lose their minds like when I revived a topic about food on the cig forums a few people liked the topic and shared their thoughts and feelings about it and rest of the people were like this is dumb kill this post I don't want to have to eat every 15 minutes while in battle then we started to talk about how time is going to work in the game and a lot of the people were saying its going to be like gta where 24 minutes will equals 24 hours now that would be a great video lets have a conversion on how people think time is going to work in game. Keep up the great work bro dude DaGaimez see you in the next one.

[@DG360]

Time would be a great topic fox :) Adding it to the list.

[@snowfox9461]

I'm glad to hear that and I've never really heard anything solid on time in game so it should make a good video that will strike up some great conversions :)

[@german719]

My experiences within the SC community have been very positive allover. Frankly I have not been in a gaming community where I have made so many rl friends. The over all attitude is very positive and inclusive, games like eg E:D are not seen as rivals but as a welcoming contributor, enriching to the particular game genre. It does need to be said though that the official CIG forums are ridiculous and nothing short of toxic. Stick with groups such as the Facebook group Ready Player 1 and Star Citizen Speakeasy and their various Discord channels.

[@bandolin1216]

I'm a former EvE Online player. First off, that game consumed so much of my time, RL was passing me by. This game is every bit as beautiful and more immersive than EvE. That being said, I'm hesitant to get into this not only because I would have to drop a ton on a high-end graphics card but - more about you were talking about and what people here have commented on; the players. Every time in EvE I got to a point whereby I carved out a nice little niche for myself a guild of major A-holes invades and destroys everything. I have no interest in dropping a pile of cash on a game that will eventually swallow my hard earned gains by a marauding band of prepubescent teens whose RL isn't worth the jam between my toes. But I love the look of this game and will continue to follow its progress.

[@RM-rg3qm]

I can only observe S. C. Because my PC is crap. But from an external perspective it seems to have a couple fatal flaws. First, from an outside perspective it does seem to have a problematic business model which depends on the game never reaching official release. I am sure there are fixes around that. I worry about where it is going with its relationship with in game and out game currencies that could invite legal issues stemming from institutions like the IRS that are actively looking for a vehicle to push for Real Money taxation on in game currencies. CCP with Eve online has some good policies that discourage Gov't interference vs Entropia which is blatantly gambling and has led to the open discussion about taxing in game profits. Right now it seems RSI is more or less crowd sourcing their funds. I can't imagine that is practical for the future passed its pre-released stage. With the likely expense of its server and its needs breaking tradition game business models because of its added complexity I am curious how this elephant in the room will be handled. Second, is a vast world with limited controlled shared instances seems kind of pointless in a MMORPG vehicle. But the tech today can't really facilitate this game complexity on a single, or virtual single server in any real mass volume. And then there is the complex issue of bandwidth. You have to depend on your instances. This single server deal has been crucial part of the success to past video games like Eve and wildly made 2nd life and Entropia popular for a bit despite being like a 'dive casino.' One game that comes to mind is Arma 3. Some of those servers support a decent number of people so entire player based opposing armies can face off. Will SC be able to support similar content well? This will come up and pose challenges. How much shared content will a SC instance be able to handle? What is the magic number of people on a single instance to make this game the immersion magic for the average player? It probably is well over 50. Will the umbrella world be coherent enough to mitigate the tech's limitations? My last concern for the game is the higher end hardware needed for this game well will exclude the majority of gamers. As time goes on and I see more and more that these issues seem publicly unaddressed. I am a fan of the project, but I have been watching it for a long time and it has never passed the point where I said to myself this is really happening and not something that is turning out to be good intentions ready to go terribly wrong. I admit I am not tech, but I do worry about the future of 'Star Citizen' because of those points.

[@mroushion]

I've been a backer since 2013 and I still spend money on SC because it's set to be the best game of my generation. The negativity I have see since the launch of the KS has been a very troll minority. The ship sells, KZbin content, and twitch faithful shows what kind of community SC has, a strong and patient MAJORITY. Fuck the haters, the game is already made just in further development.

[@rynetscribe]

When it comes to actual interaction in game and even on spectrum, I think its mostly positive, when it comes to KZbin comments, well they are KZbin comments after all

[@webbuniverse2247]

I have a similar stance as you. It's unbelievable how passionate people can be (on both sides of the fence) without considering having a pragmatic, hopeful view of SC. One big problem with the Star Citizen community (and motive to troll it) is the frequent misunderstanding about the development process. People fail to understand SC will not release a good deliverable until 2021+, and expectations are set way too high across the board. This enables a lot of misguided criticism and emotion. And RSI/CIG don't help much either. I trust the game development process, but I think the way RSI/CIG interacts with the community in self-destructive, unnecessary ways. For one thing, they don't officially market the game, and instead choose to do data dumps, share their dev timelines, have very long programs, and only cater to backers that understand what's going on. Not to mention their website is pretty terrible for basic user experience and new visitors. We all need to be more realistic about the game development process and what it means. For example, if there's people yelling about a bug in the game, our reaction shouldn't indulge their stress. Our reaction should be: "The game is in pre-alpha. It's NOT a game. Do you not understand how this works? You're not a 'gamer'. You're a 'tester'." If everyone understood basic reality about the game like that..... there's be a lot less negativity and a lot more understanding. Edit: another serious issue is that people misunderstand how BORING this game will be. Which is to say that half the ambition of the game is to develop a realistic space simulator. Many people will find this kind of slow-paced, immersive gameplay boring. So there's a LOT of trolling from people that don't understand the nature of the gameplay, and should probably not even be involved because they wouldn't like it to begin with.

[@deceptiveanswer]

Great Video DG, love your style.....Thumbs up, sub'd and liked. I think the key word is patience my friend and the lack of thereof. Me for instance have been a backer since the beginning and at first I was so stoked about this game I wanted it now, over time I fell out of love or grew impatient. Things now have changed, we are starting to see something that resembles a game and with that my love continually grows once again. I think the majority of hater's stem from one or more of these kind's of people 1. Console players. 2. Low powered PC player's. 3. Impatient peeps. 4. Hater's (well their just gonna hate hey?). 5. Kids (instant gratification). Well that just my two-pennies worth, I'm all for waiting for the this awesome game, I don't take much stock on the hater's and trolls, I certainly don't get upset by them....Just wait and see people. Keep it real everyone, Over & out.

[@DG360]

Love your input Answer! Welcome to our community and check out our Discord when you get the chance :)

[@FunkyFiddich]

Hey man, just got Star citizen after coveting it since it was first put on kickstarter. I cannot wait to try it out and keep up the videos. They help me know what I'm walking into XD

[@DG360]

shade Glad to have you in our community shade.

[@usmarie0622]

Hey guys any idea how they plan on balancing the game when it's released. So far I've noticed that you buy every ship in game with real money.

[@Ardnek_Metalmasha]

When the game releases all ships will be sold ingame with game currency, atm ships are sold for real money to finance its development.

[@usmarie0622]

right I understand that, but what I'm saying is if I can buy the most powerful ships now what's to stop me from running about that slaying everyone that didn't spend money on ships. Eventually everyone will be able to catch up and buy those ships in game, but until that happens those people that spent real money will have an advantage.

[@madisont3531]

Supplies (restocking, fuel and other consumables), and maintenance (repair and crew costs) will make starting with a larger ship not a viable or practical approach early on in the game, at least as a solo player. Additionally, these ships are priced according to size and complexity, not competitive ability; ships in this game are designed to fit roles and many if not most are not designed for combat effectiveness at all. tl,dr - There is no advantage to be had by operating a more expensive ship early on.

[@Ardnek_Metalmasha]

The core systems will have their own police combined with a crime system, so you cant fly in a core system blowing up weaker ships without getting some serious heat, cops, bounty hunters. There is also a death system, its not clear yet what it will do, but its been said plenty of times that its something players will want to avoid. Atm there is to much focus on combat, there will also be trading, mining, exploring, salvaging, refining, non combat professions, more expensive ships for those also require bigger crews meaning job oppertunities for others. True, anyone spending big now will have an edge at the start, no doubt about that. But when 1 year in anyone joining will have to work their way up.

[@tealwraith9045]

1) I expect that there will be different levels of space with some areas being really bad for PvP. 2) People will get up to speed very, very fast. Look at MMO content releases and someone has seen all the content by the 3rd day. 3) Fighters are somewhat balanced in that a high skilled player with a starter ship is not inconsequential to a low skilled wallet warrior with a packed hangar. 4) Life isn't fair, it isn't fair for people who have to start in an Aurora ES who become the #3 dogfighter on the server by working very hard and it's not fair for the people who spent a bunch of money to help build the game only to find out that they get owned in every ship they take out of the hangar.

[@Baztarp]

Star Citizen is very bad but its community is worse

[@Mercurio-Morat]

I'm commenting because I more than liked your video. Long story short, I find Crusader interesting because I run into all sorts of behaviour without it being totally obstructive but I think that a crackdown on deceptive behaviour would go a long way to opening Spectrum up to the not so vocal majority. 1. In-game, what I see is people just trying to have fun in their own ways. Sometimes this creates conflicts of interest related to differing activity preference and that might be a pain but, in hindsight, this sort of thing always winds up being memorable in my experience of Crusader. This can actually work very well provided that the gaming environment is structured to allow people to disengage and go do something else so that one person's behaviour cannot deny another person access to the key parts of the gaming environment. I think this is the key to setting a game up so that social, asocial and antisocial playstyles can fit together or even enrich player experience without being impossibly disruptive to oneanother. 2. On the forums, the problem is not so much strong opinions as deceptive behaviour. Some of the most vocal people claim to speak for the playerbase, make pronouncements on game direction which contradict what CiG have stated in writing, and make statements which are contradicted by reproducible facts. Often, when someone disagrees with them or ask for some facts, or brings up a topic they don't want discussed those same people launch into personal attacks or try to bully people out of their opinion by making fun of them or what they are trying to communicate - usually by misrepresenting what the author has actually said (i.e. straw man argument). A surprising number of this small assortment of posters aren't even players. They might have ships but it's been so long since they've been in-game they don't even know what weapons their ships have or what goes on in-game and it shows in the little in-game details they consistently get wrong over and over and over again.

[@DG360]

Mercurio Morat Thank you Mercurio and welcome to our community. Great read!

[@BLOODESPARTAN]

the youtube and twitch groups are much more friendly vs the forums and reddit not so much they are much more aggressive and back staby if you preach SC the way they see is "the right way". getting question answered is far easier on twitch form any of the large streamers/ groups that know whats up

[@DG360]

yea, i'd have to agree with you blood. welcome to the community.

[@RangerXML]

I really don't mind this topic, good video. I have my DAC set to balanced, but the audio in the video is very bass heavy, if you have a mixer, tone down the lows please.

[@jasongiles7897]

its been...got to meet you right!

[@yoski203]

IMHO (new at being whales people) probably in over 1k$, feel very strongly and tend to become too protective of everything. (this is the way it has to be people) Me : Its just a fkn game!!

[@Sanguine_Entertainment]

Overall - the Star Citizen community is better than most - However as it grows it inevitably has drawn in more louder voices simply because it drew in more people period, some of which are the ones with "loud voices"- which in turns up the other voices - resulting in an overall "louder" conversation in general. lol. I think one issue that we've seen is that people tend to focus on their personal wants and then don't really think about OTHER players - also players tend to want two diametrically opposed things - but aren't willing to admit those things work at odds with one another and one must give way to the other in some form or fashion. For example - the latest example of this was brought out in the last video - 3rd person cameras. The problem is that people are using an argument for competition and pretending its an argument for immersion. Its not, and it can't be on any logical level - and thus this is where the community gets its "problems". It makes zero sense to disable 3rd person cameras for OTHER people for YOUR immersion. You don't do that for immersion - you do that for competition. The same exact issue was brought up with Hotas vs. mouse controls. You have to decide for yourself - are you playing for the competitive element, or the immersive element - and you have to acknowledge that these two things are at odds with one-another. Basically people actively choose to not use a certain mode, claim that others using it is "cheating" and then want to take that away from others. If you take away a tool from yourself that hinders your competitive edge - you can't then claim others that DON'T do that are "cheating" or have an "unfair advantage". My point is - its never "I like to play with Hotas, but it doesn't respond fluidly, please make it better." Its something like "My hotas responds great in every way, but playing with a mouse is more natural for the human hand in terms of precision aiming - please make the other controls LESS fluid and MORE shitty so that I don't lose to people using a mouse."

[@L2Xenta]

I dont belive these people are a majority . Im staying optimist, btw I need new to get new CPU / motherboard , GPU too till end of year hopefully. And its just for SC , I'm not really hiped for any other game out there or coming.

[@tasmarimba]

The loudest people are like 3 a day on the Aussie servers. I own Kareah come fight me. That sort of thing. No Big Deal. I dont think the griefing will be restricted because the games not out yet. Attacking me openly, no big deal. But scum pushing my ship away into a spin? Shooting me in the back at Covalex? Elite and Eve tell me this crap is here to stay. If Star Citizen doesnt have a Safe Mode like GTA Online, stopping PvP for or against people, vehicles, ships, players will leave no matter how good the game is. Make an option Chris Roberts, to play the game not feed the griefers.

[@WigglinWigglesGaming]

Star Citizen for me is like Ray Bradbury portraying Star Trek in the 60's! Ray only had such limited effects to use, but made sure every detail was implemented with what technology/graphics that he was able to use. Ray also implemented a reality of what we will be doing/using (such as the overall voice activated ships computer, all other computers, engines, coms, etc etc etc) if we were in the future... I fell SC is doing the same! Trying to use what they have to input what they can, however, technology may not be there yet to do as much as they need or can do right now... Have to give it time. George Lucas didn’t do Episode I-III of star Wars until the technology was able to give him what he needed, and is exactly why the movies took so long before they were made following Episodes IV-VI. That was based on a documented interview with Geoge Lucas long, long ago in a galaxy far, far away xD Anyways, SC are inputting every single detail into every single possibility into every screen shot that you as a player can or will see in the game! Not only that, they are implementing a reality like Ray did by addressing the fact these ships would be flyable and would perform in real life as they do in the simulation if the game were a true reality :) To do that will take time due to our technology is almost there but not quite. They have engineers right now working day and night to configure, implement, and construct their own technological devices, sub-routines, programs to make the simulation as real as the reality will be in the future time frame that the game exists :) Except for respawn xD That def is a given, but never happening! Not unless we find a way to clone ourselves and our memories at time of death, and even then I don’t think so xD these conversations has been fun guys...

[@brassle]

great vid, can't get enough star citizen I watch a lot of different streamers ever if they repeat things things that i was just told in one of the CIG shows. I watch it all, sometimes they have a different point of view about it and to be honest some of those shows are long and it can make me fall asleep or miss something.

[@DG360]

brassle well glad to have you in our community brassle :)

[@citizenshenanigans2907]

Very well said. Constructive feedback is always welcome and it does make an impact on the game's development. This is a rare and awesome opportunity. :-D

[@RobertPunt]

im never been a fanboy i backed in 2014 playd sc 10 to 20 hours dont like in now but i love the community

[@FurballHero]

I havn't really interacted with citizens in game or on forums. I've barely played the game due to performance and buggy/annoying HOTAS mapping system. Personally, I hate theory crafting because it seems like a complete waste of time. I watch all the ATV's, and occasionally brows the reddit page but other than that I sort of lost interest in the developement but I am eagerly awaiting the finished product. I hope they substantially improve performance and HOTAS mapping: Something simular to how DCS world does their key mapping would be nice.

[@teklarmeeps7338]

Trolls make fer good eats. There is a segment of the community that has always looked forward to anti-trolling, patiently waiting, biding their time,...saving up fer a graphics car... (oops). I backed to make the game. I wanted the experience I had in Wing Commander and Freelancer to be given to a new generation. To seduce Mr. Roberts away from the movies to do what he is best at. In short; I danced with glee when I saw the pitch. He is doing SC because he wants to, not because he needs to. To the new; do not feel pressure to buy any more than the basics. Those who start with a lot are only cheating themselves of the experience in attaining the goal. If you have the time, the journey is worth it. Do not envy those who do not have time and skip ahead. I will trade an LTI Carrack for a Mustang-B if it would make me 30 again, or give me more time for play. To the point! Trolls create bounties, hackers get the DS treatment. The squeaky wheel gets greased. A good Op-Ed piece DG, food fer thought. Keep on truckin bud.

[@MrGrimdarkness]

Well said DaGaimez. Don't let these little chair Trolls worry you. Some folks just aren't very bright. Like the video and keep them coming please.

[@AvatarSampai]

trolls are a common thing in gaming, but what really gets me are the elitists of this game. For example, the other day I had crashed into a ship, derp my flying skills, later on some guy started smirking on me, saying he knew what kind of child I was bla bla, the smirk continued on for hours, at a point I challenged him for a fight, the guy then proceeds to ignore me saying im not worth his time lol. In my opinion, the loudest portion of this community, the ones that think they own it all, that they are "special gamers", will be a big problem for cig s growth in the future. I dont care though, CR games are the first that me made get into gaming, and today the only game im really excited about is star citizen. I dont care about becoming a mighty commander, beeing a famous criminal, or a professional miner,.... For me gaming has always been all about enjoying the ride, meeting other people and experiencing moments with them, and not worrying about life like problems,.. The so called "serious gamers" wont stop me from supporting this project.

[@acid0069]

It's a mix, there are a ton of friendly citizens out t here, but there are also a ton of jerks too. I don't understand why you would troll a community like Star Citizen. I feels it's important to keep a positive attitude with new citizens so they don't get turned off from the game.

[@Sinekyre14]

Game-development wise, they're inexperienced and oblivious 30-40 year old men with not enough insight to see that Chris Roberts is controlling and oppressive with his staff. That he keeps adding insane features that will never be finished, and that are pretty bad and not condusive towards fun. I think it's a shame, and most of all I feel empathy with the people who are being conned by CR's incompetence. I dream and wish for this game, and I keep hoping it'll turn out great. I worry about the oppressive community and how they shut down all criticism. I worry about Chris Roberts and the oligarchy he has put in place to "rule" over CIG -- mostly his closest friends and family. This is NOT how to run a successful game company. The fact that everything has to be accepted by him, and often suggested by him, has a crippling effect on creativity. I see Star Citizen as potentially the greatest game ever, but with the absolutely idiotic decisions and features I've seen lately, I have little hope that it will be anything but a disaster.. =(

[@xavierlaborie3742]

The Forms i agree Chris Robert is a dreamer he needs some business man to bring him back to reality and no one will point that to him, he is the guru. Chris already fail in a big project and the project was save by Microsoft. If SC fail you can go to "Dual universe" it seems promising as a space sim

[@walter80922]

Lot of White Knights. But also a lot of good level headed people. It's a mixed bag.

[@Sanguine_Entertainment]

In the name of whiteousness I will purge the darkness of differing opinions! MY way or the HIGHWAY good sir! Choose wisely! A mixed bag indeed.

[@cragb3334]

Disrespect is charging £189 for a ship

[@JuanBrolo]

yuuup this game is amazing good video bro see you in the verse JuanBrOLO

[@DG360]

appreciated dude! welcome to the community.

[@definitelyzeblackcat743]

I'm not too worried. When I say "It'll be in the vision of Chris Roberts" doesn't mean he isn't open for criticism and making things better for the growth of the game. And I think there's a healthy amount of criticism within the community on the forums. KZbin comments has always been in a state of "Whomever has the loudest opinion." Because the people who are positive, are generally not as outspoken to defend their positive views. And with that said, it's easy to mistakenly view it as if there are more trolls and negative people out there. Such is internet culture. Also; 150mil. Close, but a few million off, is a few MILLION off xD I am quite wondering with such a big team how well that money is spread though. My only concern really. But we'll see. Looking forward to it... but it can wait, I need a HEAVY pc upgrade @,@

[@DG360]

Definitely Zeblackcat Well said and a that's because you've echoed a few of my comments from the video lol

[@definitelyzeblackcat743]

Well of course, and mostly because it seems we're both in a mature mindset that we know Game development isn't only 1 person. I've seen several game development groups fall because 1 person could not be persuaded from his own vision. Despite the saying "Too many chefs spoiled the broth," it's never a bad thing to take advice from a technical standpoint to see how things can be improved. Maybe echoing your video, but mostly my own experience working as a concept artist for these places.

[@dwg116]

There are so many trolls on the internet and in every facet of every game. Even in my close gaming groups if i try to talk star citizen or any topic for that matter someone inevitably starts shitting all over the place on the topic. i just ignore and keep talking to the peeps that are constructive. I think the average guy that doesnt follow the game very closely, the game seems like a scam. I do wish 3.0 would come out ASAP so i can shut these people up.

[@mininuke69]

To hell with your opinions!!! Pineapples on Pizza is just unforgivable!!!!! On a real note, I have noticed the same things you mentioned in the video for sure. My only concerns is when the hive mind/missinformed are trying to pass along bad info to try and hurt my baby Star Citizen.

[@jonny_gage]

it's ok the lag is irritating and the game could have more PvP modes on multiplayer like team death match, and more planets, aliens etc!

[@danqrl]

Biggest problem in my opinion especially with the young ones is the anonymity they have when posting on Reddit or commenting on videos. I guarantee if instead of a username your real name, photo and address was attached to your comment then there wouldn't be half the abuse and shit talk you see. Great video as always buddy 👍🏻

[@Iordlangford]

Don't worry about trolls, most of us don't.

[@TOKOLOSE]

3 words. TOXIC LIKE SHIT. bite me lol

[@TruthIsKey369]

STARCITIZEN WILL GET FINISHED AND IT WILL AMAZE THE MASES!

[@jaapstrijbis1573]

I love m. Lots of good folk around. some aholes but not so many. Love to jump in with streamers to make it more movielike.

[@MajorStaticX]

damn, this was a cool vid, glad i found you

[@apaquettepaquettea7335]

I normally do not comments, due to negativity. But for this game. I am excited about it. I have so much I would like to see that would happen in this game. Either way Chris has good ideas and a awesome team. I do look forward to see more and more coverage from you as well.

[@DG360]

Apaquette PaquetteA Welcome to the community :)

[@MrEasterrabbit]

I just playing for the starkitten outfit, really!!! =D

[@DG360]

MrEasterrabbit lol

[@Whiskeyagogo519]

different people have different levels of knowledge of the game , take it easy on the newer guys they are learning , if you know and they don't please don't act like an asshat .just take a minute and just teach them about it !

[@joesgotmore]

Beep, Beep, Boop, Boop, confirmed. :) Sorry I got a chuckle every time you said that. I have to guess that some troll must have came after you hard for you to make this video. I for one like your videos. Even when I don't agree with some of your opinions I never disrespect you as you and I are entitled to our own opinions. (Economy is the subject we disagree on). I for one get a good laugh when trolls come a knockin. The evidence is mounting every week as the ATV's have gotten sooo much better over the last couple of months. I honestly don't know how they will be able to keep pace until release. 3.0 on the horizon sure it will start out buggy like all new patches but it is the start of the big picture.

[@DG360]

joesgotmore Thinking of relabeling this video the beep beep boop boop video lol. Thank you Joe and thanks for being a regular in our community.

[@DeathstarsEG]

OMG I cant wait until this game releases and ITS GOING TO BE THE BIGGEST FLOP IN GAMING HISTORY!!!! Worse than no mans sky lmfao!!! This game has made so many promises and is way too ambitious to deliver the ALL the features promised.

[@theswordoftheguardnop2370]

This game vvill fail unless it gets magic of some sort or gadgets vvith interesting play-ability like planetside2 or skirim... Cloaking... force-fields... hooking vveapons like batman and things like this. It vvill not fail because of rendering speed. Or graphic quality.

[@DG360]

TheSwordOfTheGuard nop There's way to much forward momentum and backing for it to ever fail.

[@elliellino1.588]

Hey dudes

[@jasongiles7897]

forgot good

[@yomomma2457]

My personal experience? A fraction of the SC fanbase are so toxic and fanboyish they can only be described as cultish. To such an aggravating degree that I, who don't even care about space games, have become invested in the whole thing and educated myself extensively on it, just so I can rub the facts in their faces for my own satisfaction. SC cultists are unfortunately a pox on gaming. The worst game fanbase I have ever come across, even having been a member of a pretty hardcore one myself.

[@yomomma2457]

150 million isn't the guarantee SC will get made you think it is: www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen_refunds/comments/650nbz/cig_are_in_deep_financial_trouble/ Nothing to laugh at. Especially for someone who boasts of their fact-checking.

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

​@@yomomma2457 CIG in deep financial struggle 3 years ago? Seems like they were doing just fine and now having their best financial year so far. I guess that fact of yours wasnt very accurate afterall. I wonder which other facts of yours might not be entirely as accurate as you think they are as well.

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

@@yomomma2457 But I actually can appreciate that you were honest there and can say that you do it for your own satisfaction of crushing others with your facts and logic. It kind of confirms my own hypothesis that most critics are just shortterm stroking their intellect/ego and to get attention, so they dont have to feel inferior to others and feel abandoned. I also came to a realisation recently that maybe, ironically, the hardcore critics of star citizen became a cult of their own. They might be so obsessed with being seen as intelligent, factual and highly intellectual as well as having their emotions in check and being rational and logical people. At the same time, they believe having emotions or being emotionally invested is not a preferable trait to go through life because it reduces the capability to think rationally and thus make less sense. Definitely not traits anyone wants to be seen with. Thus, they fearmonger each other as well as those who are still new to Star Citizen into believing that they definitely do not want to be seen as being emotional, having low intelligence and incompetency which essentially is seen in Star Citizen supporters and CIG. Therefore, they confirm each other, give each other attention, feed each others intellect/ego (because they all share the same belives) and need to constantly show people how right they are (because then their intellect is working correctly) and how wrong everybody else is (to feed their ego of proving themselves that they are better than others). But at the end of the day, the "critics" dont actually stand for anything themselves, they just want to be seen as the opposite of what _they_ see in Star Citizen and their fans, because they are emotional, emotional-driven, close-minded, indoctrinated, irrational, incompentent, bad. But I think there is another, additional level to this at play as well! If Star Citizen would actually achieve their premise, then CIG and the fans would been seen having traits like competency, passion, emotions and personal meaning. The fans would have been on the right track all along. Suddenly, these values of theirs would be real and the critics would be seen as wrong. These traits would end up making the "critics" look inferior to others. And thats why these traits scare them. Thats why they need to talk them and everything and everyone connected to them down so that nobody can find out how pathetic they feel deep inside themselves. They need to keep their own self image of competency up and running themselves because thats all they identify with, thats who they are. If they lose that, what would be left, who would they be? The pathetic nothing thats at their inner self core. Thats indeed scary! And you know what this reminds me of? This entire situation and behaviour reminds me of Flat Earthers and other conspiracy theorists. Bceause they seem to operate on very similar principles, except maybe some additional unhealthy dose of mistrust and paranoia. So how do we solve this? What would even be an alternative?

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

@@yomomma2457 Let me make a short detour first. If we look at it from an evolutionary (and partially philosophical) way, it looks like this: The objective, material world (matter, e.g. rocks) -> Life (Plants, chemical reactions) -> Conciousness, Emotions (Animals, essentially everything with a brain) -> Rational, Intellect (Humans) Each step evolved on top of the other. Therefore, life could not exist without our objective reality. Conciousness would not exist without life, without chemical reactions and emotions. The intellect with his rational would not exist without conciousness, chemical reactions and emotions. This is how we operate. This is us, this is our self. Our conciousness cant exist if the chemical reactions stop working in the order how evolution made it work. Our intellect doesnt work correctly if our chemicals in our brain are all over the place or shifting into extremes. Therefore, we have to realize that each step, each piece of our self, comes with its own needs that need to be fulfilled. And idealy the needs of each previous step has to be fulfilled to a certain extend before the next step can be working properly. That is something in the direction what Maslow figured out with his hierarchy of needs model. Each step is part of the self and needs to be taken care of before building on top of it. Therefore, just because the current last chain in evolution (the intellect) is at the end (or top) does not mean it is superior to everything before. The last step is not a subsitute for the ones before. It is its own. It is another element of the self. Its part of every human today, but actually not since forever because history suggests that it evolved around the Bronze Age Collapse where people were forced to adapt fast to always new circumstances. The intellect is indeed good at that if you let it. So what does it do that makes it so great at helping us adapt? Well, it essentially tries to make sense of the world, people around us and our own emotions. However, the intellect is not infallible. It is just a tool and like any tool it can be used incorrectly. It is espacially open for error when it is missing important information which is espacially true in childhood where knowledge about how the world works is still very limited. There, the intellect tries to make sense of the emotions (good and bad ones), because thats the only thing close to a compass someone at that point in life has. Another factor can make matters worse. Children are not born with the idea of other people. They think they are alone in the world. They are the center of the world. Which of course is essential because it has to tell the parents whats up. Hungry or something hurts? Make oneself known so others can take care of it. Happy? Express happy noises to let others know everything is okay. That works very well! But if the child does get mixed signals and is not taken care of, it will be confused. It needs to try to figure out whats wrong. Because if it doesnt it leads itself vulberable to death. It needs to survive. It needs to figure out on its own what is working (right) and what is not (wrong). And sometimes the intellect starts to develop behaviours that help protect the person. It compares itself with others to figure out what others do, what they do right and wrong, to see if it is something the person does in order to adapt accordingly. That part of the intellect becomes the ego. How to spot the ego? The ego makes the person compare itself to others. Is that bad? Not necessarily, because its main function is to protect the person. Espacially when the person is unable to rely on others and the person needs to figure out everything out for themselves. Its a useful survival mechanism. But it is fallible as well. The problem is that when animals and us humans are faced with a situation that forces us to adapt, we experience stress. Stress is a motivator to do something and to change. Its why the intellect works so well at having us adapt to always new circumstances. But we are only so capable. If the stress is too much, it becomes a demotivator. We stagnate. We find other ways to try to change our circumstances. If we cant change, instead of changing us, we change everything except us, thus everything and everyone else around us. We talk others down, we manipulate others, we even manipulate and blind ourselfs, just so that we feel like we are in control and have overcome the circumstances. And then the ego became the problem. It still does what it is supposed to do, but its consequences are no longer favorable to those around the person having it. Instead the person is then perceived as being egoistic, selfish.

[@SETHthegodofchaos]

@@yomomma2457 So why did this all matter? What is the alternative? Personally, I think there is no bigger crime to humanity than a person (e.g. a parent) telling someone (e.g. a child), espacially when that person comes from (perceived) authority, that something that excites that child is actually something mundane and not worth pursuing. That outright kills the flame of what makes that person human. A unique self with its own interests and needs. I believe doing that is fundamentally wrong. We should fuel and nurture that flame, make it larger so that the person can become a self responsible force of nature. That flame is so valuable, because it can be a driving force in this world. Therefore, the alternative is to be oneself again. The whole self. Physical needs of the body, the emotions and the intellect. Being fully concious of all of them, of ones own self, of oneself. So why do _I_ even care about all of this? Why do I spend two hours writing this text? Why am I not just debating with you about Star Citizen? Because I want to help, because its in my nature to do so, its part of my self. Because I was you. I am you. I know how it is to be you. I care about you. Because from my own experience, someone I loved did exactly that to me without them knowing what they are doing, they killed the flame. Instead of the world being a colorful place of wonder, it more and more went to grey. Because if the wonders of the world are not what matters, then it had to be something else, the people who seem to know what truly matters. So I need to seek their approval which I had to live by and orient myself in order to survive in this world I am told to not understand, and not orient myself on the world and what I myself see in it. But I eventually, very slowly, realized that I was betraying my own self, myself. And it made me unhappy. I tried to do more and better of what I already did, but it still never make me happy (for long), it instead made me more and more unhappy, making me try more and harder again and again. Realising that doing more of the same or doing it better is not the solution was probably the most difficult realization that hit me. I am still working on figuring out what that entails, what it means, as well as trying to accept my own self again and getting back to it because I betrayed it for so long. Giving myself the time to heal the hurt that was done. To fuel the flame again. To be me again. To adapt and freely change again. Because I finally know that the personal, never ending journey that comes with it is more worth and fulfilling than any external acceptance and approval anyone could ever give me. And I hope that I was able to partially fuel yours a little as well. Or maybe I am completely off about my assessment about you and I am writing this all for myself. Which would still be fine too, because afterall it would be me :')

[@bentleysawyer4876]

i love the game hell with people think it's going to be great

[@DG360]

Bentley Sawyer So do I :) However the people that play in the verse with you will have a direct impact on your personal gameplay experience.

[@motogeezer71]

Haha great vid... Your such a Stoner!

[@DG360]

Jonah Richards Thank you Jonah lol

[@ahmerejohnson53]

their putting too much realism in this game they need to tone down on it will mess up some of the gameplay other than that its really good

[@bluemissed8242]

ahmere johnson tone down the immersion? Why would you not want to be immersed? I think the word you're looking for is realism.

[@ahmerejohnson53]

yes thank you

[@GrimToothman]

If you point them to the FTL engines and real Alien races I'm sure they get that all fixed up. The physics is real, the damage calculations are real, thrust is real, ballistics are real. Not sure what you are flapping your gingival tissue over.

[@Oddness]

@Rickbearcat = correct @GrimToothman = incorrect This game is not realistic, but there's nothing wrong with that. Should there be sound in space...? No. With that being said, do we want to play a game that is completely silent...? No. Should ships have a speed limit (that isn't speed C) in space...? No With that being said, do we want to crash into planets at any substantial fraction of the speed of light...? No Nine hundred years from now, will the human species be as technologically impotent as they are in SC? Hope Not Do we want to play as a one of a trillion people living in a Dyson Swarm? No Do we want to play as a member of a digitized species? No Do we want to play a member of a post-scarcity/conflict society? No Are alien species going to be similar to us, in-so-far-as SC presents them? Debatable, but probably not (If you don't believe me then you should take a genetics course. We're very complicated critters) If you want real, then there's no reason to leave our solar system. Just build a Dyson swarm for extra space. If we ever get a really firm grasp on genetics or develop nano-machines then immortality is on the table. If that happens, then there's ABSOLUTELY no reason to travel anywhere near the speed of light. There don't appear to be any signs of technological societies anywhere near us (Fermi Paradox). Human engineering will produce super intelligent humans (Assuming the above bio-engineering or nano-machines). We could be living in a simulation (think the Matrix). Scientifically, these things are more accurate than Star Citizen. In short, science isn't always fun. Nobody wants to spend several life times traveling between solar systems in the name of scientific accuracy.

[@ahmerejohnson53]

Damn. that's mind blowing

[@tropicthndr]

CIG went after the only people with the cash, the adults at the beginning of development, so the creature character creation was more impressive and sinister looking. Now they have a ton of cash and they decided to attract the kiddie crowd and dumb down the Vanduul to look like fish, turn the Banu into that stupid groot teeny bopper thing, such a disappointment now after pouring in all that investment. Bring in the girly pink spaceships we haven't gone Disney enough yet, oh wait their doing that now.

[@cloakofshadow1]

they're*

[@xanzibar]

tropicthndr You sound extremely insecure.

[@vampirecount3880]

damn dude, you seem to be more adults them most... im 32 but i guess um not adult enough

[@saragrimaldi8093]

To be honest; you say that you are open but you judge others. True that there are people with limited knowledge; and as such, their comments are not relevant; but there are also other people that have a lot of knowledge (talking of people that did actually ship games; top 100 sales on Apple stores for example), that did point out the many issues that this game has, not from the technical point of view, but from the bad management. CR is well known in the scene, for being over-promising and under-achieving. Together with his friend, Molineux, they are the ones that are so good at selling you a dream, that they could almost become presidents of some country :) Although when it is time to deliver, they show their incredible lack of knowledge on so many aspects. Botha are great designers, but not a businessman, not a project manager, not a director that is able to deliver on time..CR never did it, and history is there to prove it. As matter of fact, he did fail in any project he did; even if he did ship successful products. WC was the exception since the product was ahead of its time. but he was not the only one to work on that (thank God) The SC scene is getting better, all the fanboys are leaving slowly the shores, because they got tired to wait; Alpha 3.0 is the last strain; so the new ones are more easy to deal with; compared to the angry fanboy that would defend this game and CR to death. Even in game, it is more fun to play with others; and it is even possible to make fun of the game; because smart people can see the fact that this is not a game, but a tech demo; hyper-glorified to look like it is the best thing after sliced bread. Smart people accept it; and whatever happen; will evaluate when the product will be released; the rest of the fanboys, that are still around; will eventually drop and find something else to obsess upon; the game industry is very old at this point, so it isn't the first time that something like this happen :) People should stop believing in dreams and start to evaluate things based on what is delivered.

[@DG360]

As far as game design goes, I see an unfinished product as well. However, I see 360 degree rotation of view on character modelling as well as all other animate and inanimate objects surrounding... which is revolutionary game design and is currently in this version of Star Citizen. I also see where you are coming from and like many who do believe in this team, have the time to wait as long as it takes for a "finished" game. What I explain in depth in other videos is how this game will truly never be finished and that's a good thing. It will always be worked upon and it will always be improved upon. I respect your analysis and agree that the actual physical game should in fact prove the game itself, with one exception and that exception is the fact that this game is being funded by those who believe in it and not a corporation. It is revolutionary in terms of game funding and as this is new in the world of game design... let's give it a chance :)

[@saragrimaldi8093]

Wait, a 360 degree rotation of view is revolutionary? You can do that with Unity in 10 minutes...Not minimizing what the CIG team accomplished, because they did put a lot of efforts, but so far, nothing in the current Alpha of the game can be considered revolutionary, from the design standpoint. Tech achievement, totally agree, but not on design to be honest. Open-games are fine for me; except that you must charge accordingly to what you offer. MMO games charge you to get the game, to pay a monthly fee or just to buy the expansions; that is an acceptable concept of open-game that never is truly finished (until abandoned); SC is not even close to be released as full product (at least for old standards, nowadays we live in the age of early access so things are different); so I would say that I may consider further the product, once it actually get released in a satisfactory state. Now it is too early to talk IMO. As much as I appreciate the "non-corporate" movement; I also realize that someone is making money with this product; it is not a "people game", because it is logistically impossible to develop and design a product in that way...Everyone cannot have a say; the majority may voice their opinion, and if they make sense and align with the dev team ideas, then they will be heard. Otherwise it is exactly like with the standard producer: you either buy it or leave it, they don't really care until the sales loss hurt them. I am looking forward to what they will accomplish; but you have to agree with me that their guidance is really lacking experience and knowledge... IF this was a indie team, I would forgive them no matter what; but CR did surround himself with talented people (the names and resume of many collaborators are there to be checked; so can't give him props for putting aside his ego and have competent people run the show); so my expectations are pretty high. We all expect a great product; the problem is just that people get tired to hear the same thing and get in their hands a sub-par product...The time of the talk is over, now users deserve facts; this is a feeling shared by many in the SC community. Hopefully waiting...

Those millions are just gone