The Truth About Taking Refugees

Putin’s invasion drives refugees from Ukraine.
100,000 could come to America, and that scares some people. In this video, I’ll look at myths about immigrant crime, welfare consumption and more.
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President Biden says the U.S. will accept up to 100,000 Ukrainian refugees. Good.
Some people think we should take more. Biden "could snap his fingers and make it 250,000,” says Matt Welch, Editor at large of Reason Magazine.
But many Americans fear refugees coming into our country.
Will they be good neighbors? Or freeloaders? Or criminals?
The data do show that the vast majority of people who come to America from other countries make America better.
This videos gives some details.

[@ydelysuarez2548]

I’m an naturalized citizen that came in the right way, I do agree with LEGAL immigration but hate open borders. This country needs to fixed their illegal immigration problem ASAP.

[@bigbone1369]

@Cam Ottobot Jimmy Buffet? I didn't know Margaritaville was exploiting immigrants. No Cheeseburger in Paradise for them.

[@joe42m13]

If someone wants to live and work somewhere they should be able to. Becoming a citizen is a different question altogether. Most illegal immigrants come to the country legally but simply overstay their visit

[@baguba8810]

I don’t know why we can’t help lift up poor countries rather then just letting them flood in. If Mexico wasn’t so corrupt maybe people wouldn’t have to come here. Mexico is a beautiful place that is ruined by bad policy and government

[@countysecession]

The founding fathers gave us open borders. In fact, one of the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence was the king trying to limit immigration. Anything else is unamerican.

[@baguba8810]

@@countysecession where exactly does it say that?

[@thebrogrammer2077]

Did people already forget about what happened when Germany opened it's borders to Syria?

[@mickeymickey9914]

Don't have to look that far. Look at California.

[@andriyselezen9513]

Ukrainians are not Syrians

[@aestheticjedi1868]

Because Jihadists are enemies of Assad (The president of Syria) so they spread their violent means of making an Islamic state.

[@lightdark00]

@@andriyselezen9513 But there's a huge amount of africans that go to countries like the Ukraine, just so they can become asylum seekers.

[@VictorMartinez-zf6dt]

Nothing happened. Germany is fine.

[@mythbuster7538]

I noticed there was no mention of sweden and their refugee issue. Going from safest country in Europe to 37 now.

[@jared5322]

Ask Europe how it's doing after taking so many refugees from the Middle East. Truth is that it's not Sunshine and rainbows. But I agree that our immigration process is broken and mostly because lots people want to come here.

[@mountaineerbear3122]

our immigration policy worked fine til the 1965 Hart-Celler Act

[@Knightmessenger]

@@mountaineerbear3122 i think you mean the 1924 Johnson Reed act. That law was demonstrably racist, and also preceded a massive increase in the size and scope of the federal government. Government grows biggest when borders are closed so we can thank the 1920s equivalent of the alt right for leading us to a massive welfare state.

[@ramsayreid]

The problem is people keep on conflating illegal aliens with legal immigration.

[@davidteodoro3828]

What is your problem?

[@ramsayreid]

@@davidteodoro3828I don't want illegal aliens here. What's your problem?

[@piouswhale]

Legal immigrants do assimilate. Dinesh D’souza for example. Those that want to be Americans and understand out founding values assimilate. Those that don’t will not assimilate

[@btsnake]

@@piouswhale he just thinks ethnicity and culture are one and the same. It's just CRT with some words switched around, and equally stupid

[@gentlemanranker9143]

@@btsnake ethnicity and culture are heavily linked but not the same. Chinese immigrants have established ethnic enclaves, Chinatowns in CA and NY, and there is little Italy in NY. These have partially assimilated with US culture, but still retain some aspects of foreign ones. The migrants from Syria and etc have on the whole shown themselves to be poor matches in Western culture in Germany and other European countries. After all, what happened in Cologne and Nice?

[@anyanyanyanyanyany3551]

As a conservative, I still disagree with the open borders approach that libertarians and democrats alike want to take. But I do agree with the fact that Poland welcomed Ukraina refugees because they both share a common history, language, culture, and religion. It's just much easier to welcome someone who share so many common values with you.

[@mickeymickey9914]

It's easier to let your cousin crash on your couch than some illiterate hobo from under a bridge.

[@mickeymickey9914]

@Ashura The future of america is Brazil, then South Africa. And that's what these semite supremecists in the libertarian party want.

[@_.Leo_.]

@Ashura I agree. The United States is built by Europeans and we should be more open to accepting indigenous Europeans over cultures that aren't compatible and won't assimilate and embrace American values. My parents are from Bulgaria and I'm fully American. Meanwhile, I have friends that are POCs and they're 3 generations removed from being immigrants and still hate this country, embrace socialism, and tell me they are a victim of some boogeyman that only exists in their head.

[@fren111]

@@mickeymickey9914 Brazil and South Africa are different histories, Brazil largely embraced miscegenation from the beginning when Portuguese settlers allied with local tribes. Already South Africa white and black continue to live in parallel societies

[@zunedog31]

What does open borders mean?

[@wiizzpl4718]

I'm Polish, and yeah it's a really common sentiment to be alright with Ukrainian refugees and not Syrian ones. In general, I'd say it's about the rift between cultures, and later it was also a safety concern considering what was happening in western Europe.

[@TheSpicyLeg]

You are damned to wage that war eternally, sadly. But for the sake of your wives, daughters, and sisters, you must fight it. Poland is being an excellent example of nationalism and also compassion. Keep it up!

[@ITSNAIMAD]

@@TheSpicyLeg Poland is considerably one of the most racist countries in Europe alongside Ukraine which is full of Nazis. Those are terrible examples.

[@hellfire6714]

Bless you for taking in so many because let me tell you a little further down south it is chaos as usual. We are NOT prepared. I am ashamed of my country

[@btsnake]

The "rift between cultures" thing is fair but it hardly makes up for bad refugee policy. From what I've been hearing, race is tied to culture in this policy, and what we're seeing is some pan-european culture war crap. Poland is of course free to do whatever it wants but I hope all of that sentiment stays over in Europe and doesn't come to the US

[@TheSpicyLeg]

@@btsnake The US isn’t interested in Ukrainian refugees. Adding white people is the very last thing US elites want.

[@Burps___]

It's not just about refugees receiving direct US government welfare, it's about the under-educated, unskilled, low-wage refugees using school systems (at estimated $12k per child per year), emergency services, health care, and public services that are not even remotely funded by collected taxes from the wage-earning refugee.

[@wiimooden]

I think you're talking about economic migrants, not refugees. If you had a situation where more immigrants could come legally, as well as return home periodically as they could in the 1990s, they would be paid better and pay more in taxes to provide for the fundamental public services that everybody ends up paying for. That assuming they choose to stay permanently, which you are all but required to be able to support yourself and contribute to society with.

[@Burps___]

@@wiimooden I'm referring to Asylum seeker refugees. Which is now everyone, no application necessary.

[@firstlast9916]

Myths. Property taxes and sales taxes that foreigners pay more than cover their cost of education. But I’m against public education so this point is irrelevant anyway. Abolish public schools. Waste of money.

[@TheHambot]

While I may not agree with Stossel's points today, I always remind myself that at least with Stossel it is not an echo chamber. I'm glad that Stossel can bring up topics that he knows not all of his audience will agree with. Unlike other mainstream media outlets that have gamed the system to only produce exactly what their audience wants to hear. As I said, and echo chamber of the sort.

[@23wtb]

It ain't Stossel who prevents the echo chamber, it's the comments. A talking head once in awhile saying something you might disagree with is not a lack of 'echo chamber.' It's your ability to say, to someone who can see it: "I think Stossel's got his head on backwards with this one."

[@mrow7598]

We already have a housing problem and bringing in hundreds of thousands or millions more people will not fix that issue.

[@juniorvonclaire3576]

@@23wtb So… what’s your take on the video?

[@23wtb]

@@juniorvonclaire3576 I found it disappointing, because it's incredibly dishonest. It's full of assertion with no supporting evidence. It blends the difference between trespassing aliens and 'refugees' numerous times. It makes no distinction between 'immigrants' and those making domicile illegally. It's slippery about alien criminality, it purports very dodgy statistics about alien use of the welfare system and other governmental benefits, and in the video Stossel makes bold and unsubstantiated claims about the difficulty of the established legal naturalization process. In short, the video is crude, primitive, duplicitous, hamfisted propaganda. A real low-quality product.

[@juniorvonclaire3576]

@@23wtb Releasing this video in the midst of so much illegal immigration was bold and he puts more stock in Matt Welch than I do. Yes, the welfare point made me jump to my feet. Literally.

[@mchoney2122]

Where did this guy get this. I am Cuban and lived in Miami during the Mariel boat lift. No one has a real clue how many criminals came in, it was a lot more than 100 thousand. Miami changed for the worse for ever. The movie “Scar Face” was a real thing and worse. Taking in refugees is a human thing to do… but order and a process that we should have had in place for centuries.

[@mickeymickey9914]

He's a liar. There's a negative correlation between diversity and crime rates, all across the country.

[@docgiggs]

The dude was lying through his teeth on most of his claims. Those data values of crime statistics and welfare usage are tracked. He literally lied on the numbers and John didn't even push back. This was a pure Koch brothers propaganda piece. I like these videos normally by John, but the pure lies in this video piece got my blood boiling this morning.

[@michaelcoei2850]

Many Cuban Americans are moving to Southwest Florida from Miami due to crime, increased Miami-Dade population, and political realities & consequences.

[@10speed4]

As Stossel does, he mainly has democrats and liberals on his show. He rarely gives conservatives a voice.

[@j.sarnak1391]

@@docgiggs I agree if these think tanks cannot even estimate the number of illegals, (they use the same 20 million illegals since the 70.s) just like crime stats are assembled using legal immigrants, of course people who followed the rules to get here will not commit crimes. This is 100% propaganda . I may quit watching Stossel, I understand he is an old school Libertarian, I was too , 30years ago

[@themacker894]

My wife came here legally, and it was a huge and expensive hassle. It's wrong to treat one population with absolute disregard for the law and to confine another to an incredibly strict legal process. The southern border and Biden's policies towards immigration are a complete mess. Immigrants who come here legally do make the country stronger. They are law-abiding and fully vetted.

[@jedfribley2607]

Because your wife was treated like shit you want everyone to be treated like shit, got it.

[@daveg4963]

The law allows for refugees. Especially those getting blown up by super powers (Russia).

[@melainewhite6409]

"...a huge and expensive hassle." So? Then don't come here. Still waiting to hear why the US is uniquely obligated to accept foreigners (and why not say Japan and Germany who have a just reason for owing the world). How do people who make their country worse magically don't here (just because they vote Dem?) But tell you what, find jobs and housing for all the Newsomville dwellers first and then we can talk about foreigners.

[@palopatrol6010]

@@melainewhite6409 “why is the US uniquely obligated” did you forget the part where you had “Justice, freedom, and liberty for all”? Most countries aren’t like the US or Canada (I’m Canadian so I’m looping us in). The US is uniquely able to take in people of any race or culture and still have a culture of its own without any major conflict. Japan, however, (and many other Asian nations) is basically an ethno-state. You will rarely see someone white or black there outside of the occasional tourist. This is true for other nations as well, where only one race of people exists there. Immigration has made the west what it is today. If I had to guess, Id say at least 75% of people descend from immigrants who moved to the US in the past 100 years. The US wouldn’t be a super power without immigration. You are going to have to accept that.

[@christophercox8966]

@@palopatrol6010 I’ll bet the original inhabitants of Americas wish that they had been able to control immigration and preserve their cultures. But it’s like you say. I guess we’ll just have to get used to it. See you on the trail of tears, my progressive friend.

[@hieug.rection1920]

I’ve watched my neighborhood change due to immigration. Watched the language and quality of public schools decline, the neighborhoods go to trash and the streets be littered with them. I’ve watched the job market for entry level positions dry up and the wages stagnate at low-mid levels. I watched the cartels move in and set up shop. I know the criminal statistics because I’m the one making the arrests. I know how many hoops we have to jump through to make an arrest and not be called racist. How much we look the other way and avoid enforcement in entire neighborhoods to not look racist and avoid excessive danger to ourselves. I’ve seen the effects of unchecked immigration and it is not good. You can’t tell me to doubt my lying eyes.

[@PassifloraCerulea]

"Import the third world, become the third world." Suits the oligarchs just fine, of course.

[@mybackhurts7020]

Cartel owns half the houses on my block I don’t have a problem with immigration but unchecked

[@Knightmessenger]

But how is that because of immigration? I mean what you describe sounds like what happens due to progressives taking over cities (like Seattle, san francisco and portland). Not immigrants.

[@JackTorrance333]

Bad ass comment!!!! Cheers 👍🏻

[@engelsteinberg593]

Fun fact: Racism per se is no bad (you can clearly see it if you take the time to analyse the definition in a dictionary. Are some racist grounded action the thing that may be bad depending of the action in question.

[@docgiggs]

John, the numbers from the CATO guy here are just not right. Native born American's are not jailed at ten times that rate across all demographics. That is a huge disservice here. Only select groups of native born Americans in small areas of the country are arrested at 10 times that rate. The vast majority of Americans across the country commit and are arrested for crimes at far lower rates than most 1st world countries. America does have problems in certain democrat led stronghold major cities (and even then only small areas of a given city like south-side Chicago). When broken windows policy for NYC was going strong, the crime rates for major violent crimes for NYC fell massively to the point it brought the average national rates down. That is how statistically significant these gang infested areas of the country are when it comes to crime rates. Also, CATO institute, who you are interviewing a person here (Koch Brothers Institute), put out dubious numbers in the first place on crime rates of illegals in Texas versus native born Americans as a whole. They didn't even factor in federal crimes, which illegals are far more likely to be committing. Not just talking the federal crime of an illegal crossing (which technically means all illegals are guilty of). The CATO institute cherry picked small sample size areas of Texas for local crimes and compared it to the nation as a whole. It was done that way to make it seem like immigrants (they also included legal immigrants and not illegals only) seem like they commit less crimes. Had they focused on illegals only from the southern border, and included ALL crime data... the story is vastly different. Several sites like townhall and others break those numbers down using FBI data. The guy also doesn't point out that those seeking to cross the border to work, want to do so at wages that don't compete with American workers. They send most of that money back to their home countries where even the under the table wages here far out gross what they would make there. It isn't that we have a labor shortage, Americans would love to fill those jobs, it is that those who need workers for those jobs don't want to pay the American labor wage. They want to pay the far cheaper illegal immigrant under the table wages instead. John you literally had previous videos about this issue specially with illegal immigrants and the minimum wage. Did you toss all those data points out made in previous video for this video? Seriously? As for welfare usage rates, those are tracked and easy to verify. Over 51% of immigrants (illegal and legal) are on welfare. They use welfare systems at far higher rates than native born Americans. Cis org website breaks it down by actual data instead of talking points. What you just reported was an outright lie here that person made. You didn't even push back on that claim he made about welfare usage John and you are better than that. Literally I have to thumbs down this video for the first time because of that. Missing that ONE thing and getting it wrong invalidates practically everything about this video which comes off as a pure propaganda piece and not a journalistic video. He is a pure Koch brothers open borders idiot you interviewed. Also, America has one of the biggest and easiest welfare systems in the world to abuse. Most other countries don't automatically give free "stuff" of any sort just because people are immigrants or refugees. They force refugees to prove first that they are contributing or trying to. If they are contributing and still need assistance then they get it. Here in America, you don't have to prove any of that.

[@johngenericlastname9781]

bingo.

[@AgneDei]

Nothing to add to the 1st and 3rd point, but the 2nd point... If small businesses, and individuals prefer to risk legal repercussions to pay lower than the American worker expects to get... then perhaps the wage expectations are way too high?

[@docgiggs]

@@AgneDei Welcome to leftists trying to force $15 an hour + bennies for every job in every locale. There is a reason the minimum wage isn't exactly the best idea.

[@mickeymickey9914]

If we deported all of our native criminals, we could turn around and claim that natives have a 0% crime rate. That's their logic.

[@cp1cupcake]

The country I live in had to pass a law to limit the amount you can send overseas as a "refugee" because of problem #2 here.

[@CraigerAce]

Mr. Stossel, I agree with the US being open to accepting legal immigrants. I do not agree with open borders. At one time the US had a workable immigration policy. Obviously today the situation is far different. What exists can’t be by accident. The powers-that be want it this way, but why I don’t know. In my opinion the problem isn’t immigrants, it’s the US Government’s policies and process. What has changed since the Ellis Island era? Please cover that subject.

[@bobowrathsovine.]

The media hates history. It doesn't support agendas for the future.

[@GabeSweetMan]

It's been broken by design. Our legal immigration system was deliberately corrupted to weed out the best of the best and allow only those willing to skirt the law in via illegal methods either by directly crossing the border or in most cases simply not leaving after their visa expires. Our legal method is so broken we could not bring our Afghan or Iraqi translators and their families over from war zones until AFTER most of their families had been murdered despite having the support of our men and women in the military to vouch for them. We left AMERICANS behind in Afghanistan for Christ's sake!

[@cjm7685]

We already take in more immigrants than all other countries in the world what more is there for fk sake

[@AppleMenace]

More immigrants means people willing to do jobs citizens won't. Also those immigrants are more willing to obey rules that violates human rights and they mostly vote democrat

[@anamorphosis7234]

Maybe take a look at the largest NGO who lobbies for these things..

[@cottreda]

"We've made it so hard to get into the country that the only way to do it is illegally." I'm sorry. But that statement is ridiculous on its face. It assumes that hundreds of thousands of immigrants per month SHOULD be able to just come on over. No, we have borders for a reason. And we have legal immigration processes for a reason.

[@jimsmith2877]

How come the United States "has to "take" in refugees? Let's take care of 9ur own problems. We have enough people here we can't afford to pay for. Taxes go only so far. And I'm done having my tax dollars going to foreign countries. Spend the tax money on citizens who pay.

[@vod96]

i would really like to know if this is the same in Europe, because as far as i know the same cant be said about Germany for example - where 66% of Syrian refugees live off of welfare.

[@jerex112]

amen, they scew numbers and stats to make it look good.

[@johngenericlastname9781]

it is, the government hands these trash bags money hand over fist on American tax dollars

[@Jackmerius_Tacktheritrix5733]

I just looked that number up and it's correct. That's astonishing.

[@dmitrykarpenko2271]

A lot of "Syrian" refugees just went there with no documents, actually coming from other countries with a goal to get the welfare. Just like "Mexicans" who come to the US are typically from other, poorer countries.

[@vod96]

@@dmitrykarpenko2271 well, according to Stossel, that shouldn't be a problem - immigration is a net positive.

[@storm3rdsfg]

How about we don’t let people in and we fix our own country

[@familyengineering5591]

Yup we're overfilled. We need to atart rounding up and deporting

[@WinginWolf]

“Are” xD sorry that made me laugh

[@Knightmessenger]

Because prohibition worked so well with alcohol and drugs, what could go wrong with banning immigration? It's actually easier to shrink government when the borders are less restricted. So it will be harder to fix our problems as long as our gates remain highly limited. Unless you think a bigger welfare state is what america needs, then shutting the border completely will give us that outcome.

[@ArthurCSchaper]

Yes

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

@@Knightmessenger Wow no. Unless you are literally eating illegal aliens, that doesn’t even compare. Making murder illegal hasn’t stopped murder, so by your logic, murder should be legal. That is a reverse utopia fallacy. How has reducing enforcement of theft worked out in CA or NYC? Lack enforcement of illegal activity makes more of that illegal activity. Making it legal just makes more of it. Alcohol consumption was absolutely less during prohibition; the issue was if the government had a right to try and stop personal consumption that may not be “healthy”. In consumption, they generally don’t. Illegal immigration is not consumption And shrinking the government absolutely is harder with an open boarder, as people coming in will get voting abilities in many places, where they vote for more benefits for themselves. No only that, but the places they stay in get higher census counts (because for some reason illegals are counted) making places like NYC and CA have more influence. And those places vote for EXPANSION of government. So no. Not at all. As a president once put it “Wrooong.”

[@JayVal90]

I’m dealing with Afghan refugees here in America. This idea that refugees come here at zero cost and everything is complete horseshit. It has been a MASSIVE effort on our part to help these guys because they understand no english, can’t legally drive, and don’t understand our (somewhat ridiculous) culture. To stand there and compare welcoming refugees from a similarly cultured location and say therefore we should expend our effort on taking in more that don’t even speak our language is just horrible bullshit of the highest order. Have either of you ever worked with refugees long-term? It takes a toll on the people there. This is all beside the fact that economically we haven’t always had this labor shortage locally. I never hear people like this arguing against immigration when unemployment hits 7 or 8% or jobs are scarce. You ignore the realities on the ground, ignore the realities of such messaging to other countries (creating influx beyond what’s necessary), and ignore the non-immigration problems at our southern border. And then there’s our own modern cultural insanity to consider. You try describing to an Afghan man the modern cultural expectations of “strong women,” trans people, and that just because women are completely oversexualized and show all of the markers that they recognize of sexual arousal that actually they’re supposed to pretend that doesn’t mean a thing and conduct business like normal.

[@HaloDude557]

It's not just the assimilation that is difficult though, but the fact that they are poor in general. Anyone below the middle class has tremendous overhead on the taxpayer system. They benefit from public roads, transportation, education, waste disposal, electrical/hydro infrastructure, emergency services, military, and so on, without putting a single cent in. On the contrary, they take money out compared to the established middle class because they are more likely to claim entitlements like family assistance, food stamps, unemployment, medicare, etc..

[@btsnake]

Assimilation isn't required in America (plenty of Americans whose families have been here for generations aren't assimilated and are considered perfectly American). The trouble is that we have a welfare state, which attracts people of all kinds for all the wrong reasons. Get rid of the welfare state for everybody and you won't have a single person who doesn't want to live in the US for what it is immigrate to here

[@btsnake]

@@jennymisteqq5399 I think this comment was meant for OP. But I stand by my assertion that an ever expanding welfare state is the single biggest reason we have all this division in our country. Nothing makes people turn on each other more than trying to get a bigger slice of a free pie

[@jennymisteqq5399]

*JAYVAL90* You are so right and Stossel is so wrong. Happily the only comments I’ve seen disagree with him and his video. And not just disagree, but disagree vehemently. Good luck with your Afghans, surely there’s a group of them already established in your community who, no matter how long they’ve been there, still haven’t assimilated and only speak a smattering of English. It really doesn’t matter, the assistance programs paying for their existence here providing housing, food benefits, etc. always have interpreters. How are you involved with them?

[@jennymisteqq5399]

@@btsnake Thanks for the heads up.

[@LonelyRanger902]

The federal justice system released a report showing the percentages of immigrants who committed crimes and are incarcerated. Per capita it was much greater than that of citizens. This is a public report available to anyone, and he should have done his research

[@piouswhale]

Id love to read this report. Could you give me a name of the study so I can check it out and download it?

[@ScrappyXGC]

If you just take time into account. I've been here decades, how long has the average immigrant been here? Yea, I scoffed at that graph. "I'm a statistician, what do you want the numbers to say?"

[@LonelyRanger902]

@@piouswhale Just Google Federal Department of Justice statistics for 2020. The Feds recognize illegal aliens whereas local jurisdictions (because of widespread sanctuary policies) simply enter them into the records as perpetrators, thereby making them appear to be statistical citizens

[@ninote33]

I've been a cross border truck driver for 15 years, Mexican and I speak really good english I've been trying to become a USA resident for years, I'm conservative and I have Compassion for others but it is hard to agree with refugees to become residents right of the boat as they say when I have been paying taxes from all the money I spent in the USA and I stills can't live here!!!

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

That's right man, I am from Costa Rica and been trying to figure out a way to get a green card, I am a qualified worker and there is just no chance at all.

[@daveg4963]

Don't blame refugees because USA gov. hasn't granted you residency. The main issue is not granting YOU residency. Be glad your home isn't being blow up.

[@sleev1091]

We should make it easier for EVERYONE to come in and get residency. I’m sorry to hear it’s been hard for you to get residency, but it’s selfish to say that that means it should stay hard for other people too.

[@Subject_Keter]

They only want people who are easily enthralled by crime and vices it seems. Good honest folk are no longer their desired targets but "I will let you do whatever you want while i live in my gated community.

[@sleev1091]

@@Subject_Keter this is the strawmanniest argument I’ve never heard

[@pool2785]

Why do the Sheriff's offices all across the southern borders say something completely different?

[@johngenericlastname9781]

the sheriff speak the truth, these high ideal having elites don't care it's a part of the plan to wipe out the middle class and make everyone equally dirt poor

[@Deontjie]

A wealthy politician with high walls around all his properties does not know the price of a bread.

[@BezmenovWasRight]

@@johngenericlastname9781 🎯

[@Deontjie]

@@h7hj59fh3f Or realists?

[@Subject_Keter]

@@Deontjie They quite literally see all the nonsense that happens like a doctor collecting a week worth of urine samples so "I just peed real hard" excuses doesnt work.

[@tjkong4381]

One question. If all these smart, talented, energetic, creative immigrants come to America, who will be left to help your native country prosper?

[@Celestial_Wing]

"There is a Labor shortage...we need people to work." So how about figuring out why people who are already in the US, aren't getting hired and fix it before taking in more immigrants and potentially dooming them to homelessness.

[@rebchizelbeak5392]

Exactly. I know qualified people who were turned down for multiple jobs after interviews where they were told they did very good. And those jobs STILL haven’t hired someone after sever months; they still have the positions posted.

[@Celestial_Wing]

@@rebchizelbeak5392 wow what the hell do these employers want?

[@damageinc5752]

The reason American citizens won't work laborous jobs, is because poor immigrants lowered their wages way to low. Now they have to replace the entire countries demographics. George Bush got greedy.

[@wiimooden]

A. Unemployment is low, but even if it weren't, B. You seem to think that the number of jobs in an economy is fixed. It isn't. Workers by and large get paid on productivity. If you keep immigrants out to boost the wages of "native" workers, you get a situation with the minimum wage: some things just don't get produced and other people just don't get hired, which I understand is probably desirable to some.

[@William1866]

I saw some stats that showed southern immigrants at like 60% on welfare and after being here 10 years still being on welfare.

[@VictorMartinez-zf6dt]

Source?

[@42luke93]

@@VictorMartinez-zf6dt “Source” its fking a KZbin comments get lost. This ain’t no essay. 😆😆 WORKS CITED: MLA7 ------------ Now relating to the topic: My opinion is that child well fare should be restricted after the 1st or 2nd child. Any more children you need to support on your own.

[@William1866]

@@VictorMartinez-zf6dt I can't send links but Search: 63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs. This article is from The Center for Immigration Studies. "In 2014, 63 percent of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households." "Welfare use tends to be high for both newer arrivals and long-time residents. Of households headed by non-citizens in the United States for fewer than 10 years, 50 percent use one or more welfare programs; for those here more than 10 years, the rate is 70 percent."

[@vectoreyes]

You'd have to be an idiot to think that poor, uneducated, immigrants from a 3rd world country are not receiving welfare when they get here. Otherwise, how are they surviving with the multitude of children they usually have? They're either on welfare or committing crimes to get by.

[@jedizzo111]

Yeah, this guy stossel is talking to is lying

[@cyclone8974]

People complain that wages aren't going up but the people in power keep importing more cheap labor. This is why I'd never be Lolbertarian

[@VictorMartinez-zf6dt]

Immigrants don’t bring down wages. That’s a myth.

[@cyclone8974]

@@VictorMartinez-zf6dt LOL Why are companies always clambering for the government to let them in? They literally say they want the cheap labor. Also the correct terminology is Illegal Alien.

[@Drako9823]

Even a moderate lefty like ShortFatOtaku understands that immigration depresses wages.

[@Knightmessenger]

Suppose your right and corporations love either outsourcing or importing cheaper labor. What if there was a way to counteract their increased freedom of association, by increasing ours? What if it was just as easy for you or me to move to mexico as it was to outsource there? Because right now it feels like corporations get a one way street that doesn't reciprocate.

[@jamesmatthew1903]

This may have been true historically, but historically, the (US) government wasn't actively recruiting rent seeking migrants the way they are today.

[@Johnny_Cash_Flow]

I noticed that this video focused a lot on the criminal and security burden of refugees and not the financial burden. How is it considered a principled Libertarian stance to be against taxes while also advocating for using coercive tax dollars to transport, settle, and provide welfare (financial and healthcare), to refugees from across the globe? You cannot have mass immigration and a welfare state.

[@lewis18051]

A huge amount of the American celebrities could literally house a couple of hundred people each but funny enough they’ve all been pretty quiet about taking in refugees not even lecturing us peasants about it

[@42luke93]

That’s very controversial of a topic. I wouldn’t want any strangers in my home. Why should they have to let them in or even speak about it?

[@masterdingus7074]

@@42luke93 i think what he means is that celebrities preach and advocate but aren't actually willing to do anything to help

[@42luke93]

@@masterdingus7074 Oh I see, thanks for putting it in context. Makes sense what he means then.

[@tonyste12]

@@masterdingus7074 these are the people that wants others to 'sacrifice' and give so they can look virtues but do not want tp do what they preach.

[@markcaimol599]

Amen

[@NinjaMaster1]

What needs to be done to fix legal immigration so we don’t have to tolerate illegal immigration? Please do a video on that.

[@zm6301]

You can't "fix" it, at least not by increasing legal migration unless you go full open borders which is actually what we currently have as immigration laws are not being enforced, and we see how that is going. There are simply too many people to process and house. Even if illegals were not detained (which many actually aren't), the throngs of people showing up would overwhelm border regions to the point that government would have to intervene, lest the cries of SJWs everywhere fill the sky. So, in essence we would be exactly where we are now. No matter how much you increase legal migration that will only serve to draw more people in illegally as their desperation would increase to have what so many others have obtained legally. They would also take it as a sign that America is so welcoming that they can't be denied. The only way to really fix the problem is to build the wall, the same technology that's been used for thousands of years and helped to protect countries from invasion. That was working up until Biden reversed policies and created an even bigger humanitarian disaster involving cartels, human and drug trafficking, rape and murder. Fuck Joe Biden.

[@Knightmessenger]

Legalize it. Until 1924, we used to allow just about anyone in if they could essentially pass a background check and not become a "public charge." Then racists got their wish and restricted immigration by strict quotas they cherry picked from the 1880 census. Edit: if you want a video on that law, look up Daniel Okrent and his book The Guarded Gate.

[@sesupanchick]

The truth is… when I’m in line to pay for groceries, it’s Hispanics 2:1 over all others using food stamps. Some immigrants may be driven, but those to the south seem to look to take advantage of anything available.

[@mrdean2539]

I can already see some of the responses this will get, but I feel it necessary to point out something. There is absolutely no reason for the US to take huge numbers of Ukrainian refugees. Just as there was absolutely no reason for Poland to take in huge numbers of Syrian refugees. Just as there is no good reason for any country to take in huge numbers of refugees from anywhere. It is not about assimilation or benefits or anything else, it's about the countries that the refugees are coming from. While it is natural to see these people going through hell and want to help, in the long run the only thing done is to ensure that the situations that created that hell in the first place continue.

[@btsnake]

I agree that there's no obligation but it's a nice thing to do if we can afford it. Fact is though that Poland did refuse to take Syrian refugees at first for nefarious reasons (that they're welcome to continue using). There was a bit of time where Belarus was sending masses of people to the Polish border, but I believe that came after Poland already decided that a refugee's ethnicity and culture are the most important thing about them. The classic European-style bigotry that I hope never makes it to the US

[@skandre7776]

@@btsnake I explained first issue in my other post. Second problem regarding the Belarus border is completely different and you completely miss the point. Belarus immigrants or refugee crisis, we now can say with certainty was part of Putin and Lukashenka plan of destabilization before planned war. Belarussians who fled to Poland revealed that it was codenamed "Operation Floodgate" ( PL -Operacja Śluza) run by both KGBs Belarussian and Russian. Belarussian gov services started campaign that promised immingrants from middle east and Africa the entry to the EU for some few hundred dollars. What happened in Belarus was that all those people were stripped of any documents, making it almost impossible to receive any legal status in Poland.( While because of PiS government policy towards immigrants in Poland theres only few immigrations camps or any other infrastucture for legal or illegal immigrants). Immigrants were a political tool for Lukashenka who also wanted EU to recognize last falsified election which he really lost. There are confirmed cases of Belarussian police, military and specnaz forcing groups of people into the fence near the border.

[@btsnake]

@@skandre7776 I believe that, but at the same time, the Polish government and people were doing the same thing when there wasn't an influx of migrants, refugees, whatever, standing on their border. Their excuse then was that the nation couldn't afford to feed and house people from other nations when they couldn't feed their own. Good to know they found it in their hearts to feed some Ukrainians

[@skandre7776]

@@btsnake what do you mean exactly, There were some small humanitarian activities in late 2021 but PiS gov introduced military closed zone in the bordering counties and werent giving permits to enter. Remember that polish government is not really representing the whole nation. Poland is not homogenous but is in fact very much divided and polarized politically. PiS is populistic socialist party that main electorate are people without high education, living on welfare, unemployed, elderly catholics and people from rural areas, all of them are easily manipulated to think what they are being told in state funded main tv channels (TVP). Also thanks to ridiculous Dhontd rule they only needed 37% in 2015 parliamentary elections to have majority in the upper chamber (Sejm). In 2020 presidential elections run-off PiS candidate won by a mere margin of 400k votes (51% - 49% - map from this voting presents a great deal of the division) Nationalist votes that PiS gained thru its politics that i mentioned decided the outcome. If you ask any reasonable man in Poland what they think about current gov you will get answers that this is the worst one since the fall of comunism over 30 years ago. They basically destoyed economy and judiciary system within few years and created crawling authoritarianism similiar to what happened in Hungary. Hungary has Orban while Poland has Kaczyński and its a tragedy for both nations.

[@btsnake]

@@skandre7776 so I have to ask, not being familiar with Polish politics - the PiS party (I assume that's law and justice) represents a socialist bloc with nationalist elements, is that correct? And if so, how does that compare to the leanings of the other major parties? And also, is this nationalist bloc also comprised of the elderly and Catholic, or is it different?

[@Grev223]

When I was a school kid in Germany, when teaching about the USA, we were taught about the "melting pot". All the different people and cultures mingling together, creating something new, something good. Now, 25 years later, I do not see a melting pot. I see that America is fractured in every possible way (politically, ideologically, economically, ethnically). You have places where minorities build their parallel lifes, parallel societies. Where is the benefit, when whole cities are for example full with somali refugees? There is no US-American identity anymore. There are only ethnic communities and tribalism. The USA is becoming like Brazil. The rich live good lives in gated communities and the rest can struggle in ever increasing ghettos with increasing crime.

[@nerdicusdorkum2923]

IDK about you, but a pot that is melting is a pot that is clearly dysfunctional. ;)

[@fooooooooooooooo]

Well it was a melting pot of Europeans at first, until 1960's 90% of all immigration came from European nations. Of course it was easy for Europeans to assimilate when they share a common culture to a certain extent. Nowdays immigrants are too different and opposed to the founding stock in every which way. "Majority minority" country can not stand if the people can't rally around a common cause.

[@tomasgomez9925]

Correct. US is becoming more and more like Latin America. Greed did that…

[@Knightmessenger]

@@fooooooooooooooo yep it was so easy for europeans that a 1924 law was passed to favor more white europeans over southern and eastern europeans. They shared such a common identity and culture that Poland, Spain, Sweden and Italy are totally interchangeable. According to geopolitical experts like Whoppi Goldberg, they're all look like the same white people. Im sick of people acting like europeans are some homogeneous mass that were always seen as some model assimilating immigrants. Never forget that the same talking points used by Ann Coulter today against Latinos and Arabs were used by Henry Cabot Lodge and others in the Immigration Restriction League against Italians, Jews and Hungarians. The Enlightenment was one of the greatest things to ever come about in human history and it did originate from europe. But that continent has also seen a fair share of horribly stupid wars and conflicts. Hell the Troubles in Ireland was fought between Irish people who were Christians and Irish people who were also Christians. And that was in the 1990s. So I dont see how people sharing a lot of traits in common makes violence any less likely.

[@fooooooooooooooo]

@@Knightmessenger So what, they chose while they could, when they needed workers they still had the common sense to expand their list of desirable Europeans. There is a difference between ethnicities in Europe though not as striking as the difference between the different races. If you take Eastern Europe and juxtapose it to Western Europe you will just see that Eastern Europe isn't as wealthy as the West. All other ingredients for an individual to live a productive life in peace are already there. My point is, these are groups of people that won't be detrimental to the US cohesion while others will always pull their own way and claim oppression.

[@caribbeanbound8357]

I'm a conservative and I'm fine with bringing in anyone who wants to come Legally, has a will to work hard, and Embraces Our Culture. I'm against allowing anyone in who Hates our culture and wants to change it. This is the difference with the people from muslim countries who generally tend to dislike western culture and want to change it. Why would anyone openly accept others who openly say that they want to weed you out? Of course Poland will accept people who are would be more likely to embrace their culture.

[@wengoszmleczny2802]

why would anybody who doesn't want to live in america, go and live there?

[@mickeymickey9914]

90% will vote for anti Europeanism.

[@pharris6875]

Ilhan Omar popped to mind.

[@getworking5652]

@@wengoszmleczny2802 that's called a strawman. no where did the above poster say anything about someone who doesn't want to live in America wanting to live there.

[@robertsanders339]

@@pharris6875 perfect example

[@SantosdeMuerte]

I’m a social researcher in Australia and this is NOT the case in Australia. Even a decade after migrating the vast majority of migrants still rely primarily or exclusively on welfare.

[@jessecarver9176]

I find it hard to believe that someone who's a criminal in another country magically becomes a law abiding citizen once the cross a border....

[@DJ-fn3jm]

But that truck driver at the end, he's actually assimilating. He learned English and is not demanding that the people here learn HIS language.

[@ASMRDoodlez]

I agree, but I also think it's mostly the leftists already here that don't want people learning English rather than the immigrants.

[@daveg4963]

Everyone eventually assimilates while contributing to American culture. Sometimes it takes a generation but it happens.

[@DJ-fn3jm]

@@daveg4963 If it take generations than, no, they are not assimilating.

[@daveg4963]

@@DJ-fn3jm usually one. Almost everytime.

[@DJ-fn3jm]

@@daveg4963 you're talking about native born citizens. I'm talking about the immigrants.

[@ls-33wraith33]

The “data” he keeps referring to is a decade old or more. The problem is we need to be a country that produces things again homeless population will rise the more people you have and less jobs are available

[@Drako9823]

Yes. Open borders displace natural and current citizens.

[@Monsuco]

Immigrants create demand for labor just as much as they create a supply. America's homeless crisis has more to do with mental health, addiction and enabling than with immigrants.

[@docgiggs]

Its more than the data being old data. It is also cherry picked data at the time used against irrelevant data in comparison that make zero sense to try to make, but is done that way to make the cherry picked data look good for their arguments. It is basically saying oranges don't cost a lot per 100,000 purchases, but look at how much that is than the winning record of the chicago cubs! It is literally that insane in how these people try to obfuscate the numbers just to make it seem like they are right. The average person that doesn't see anything more than a 5 second video with a sound byte talking point on that with a small reference to a website that is full of more of those might think these claims are true. That is what they are hoping for I believe.

[@ls-33wraith33]

@@Monsuco could you elaborate on how immigrants create labor, the issue with the homeless is largely drugs some mental health and poorly structured programs (more money is not the solution) i live in California and deal with homeless walking in the road literally poo on side walks and broken glass and needles on the ground. It has gotten worse then many know.

[@maximilian200057]

If you take black Americans out of crime statistics, then Hispanic immigrants, for example, have a much higher crime rate. The FBI actually keeps track of crime statistics by race. Look up FBI Table 43.

[@DRTeDEAN]

Mr. Stossel, you seem to be one of the last non-biased journalists who takes the story wherever it goes regardless of affiliation. Great job and keep it up! 60 Minutes would be watched more if you were still there.

[@adorablydeplorable7580]

My only problem with this side of the story is that it doesn’t consider that when families come into the country they do use tax payer dollars that they haven’t contributed to. Not all on welfare, but in education (most don’t speak English, so we have to hire Spanish speaking teachers) they drive on our taxpayer funded roads and use taxpayer funded hospitals. Not to mention food stamps for their children, they can claim non citizen children on their taxes for the earned income credit. It’s ridiculous how much each person that arrives here illegally take from taxpayers.

[@jenniferbarber2862]

Please look into housing for refugees. Years ago I took a property management course in the LA area. Another property manager said that the building he manages is all Armenian refugees from Iran. All of them are on Section 8. He said they will get up to 90% of their rent paid for their entire life. His building was in Burbank and the apartments were over $2,000 a month. Seems very unfair to the American taxpayer.

[@philosopher1a]

When he says " American are arrested way more" Its primarily 1 group who commit way way more crime per capita

[@LazarusSpeaks]

Exactly. And, he didn't mention that immigrants tend to face a lot less punishment than natural citizens

[@philosopher1a]

@@LazarusSpeaks Oh yeah especially S Americans How many times do we see Drunk Drivers with long history of crime kill a American

[@kevinw6814]

DESPITE

[@fooooooooooooooo]

@@kevinw6814 BEING

[@a54109]

@@fooooooooooooooo ONLY

[@darrent505]

It should be made really easy for good, moral, hardworking people with similar values and culture as Americans to immigrate to America. You also cannot let too many immigrants in at once or assimilation becomes extremely difficult. There are certain examples of countries that could have open borders due to there similar cultures, such as Canada and America, but as a general rule of thumb open borders are a bad idea. Imagine if America opened its borders to all the Islamic countries and then a massive wave of immigrants moved to America who believe in sharia law, this could completely change America into no longer being a free country.

[@whiskeytangofoxtrot9403]

It already has. Israel doesn't take in asylum seakers and refugees and no one says shit.

[@Alex-gd9li]

Watch the video 1:06

[@royisdabest]

you yourself are brainwashed if you think that will ever happen, as a matter of fact, the opposite might happen as more muslims are westernized and have to adapt to living in the usa

[@darrent505]

@@royisdabest I am confused as to what you are saying, could you clarify??

[@royisdabest]

@@darrent505 ok lets say muslim immigrants from afghanistan come to america, they are going to have kids and those kids will most likely not bring on sharia law values that you are scared of because they are raised in the western education system and taught liberty and all of those shenanigans. thats what im talking about edit: i know this is not too good of an explanation but when was there a time of immigrants coming to america and completely changing the law into a religious one? most muslims that you see are in the left promoting left leaning things blah blah blah

[@WyldfireKeeper]

John, I love your content. Sometimes your views favor liberal policies and sometimes they favor conservative ones, but they also are based on facts and common sense. I can’t tell you how much that means to me in a world full of bias news and media sources. Thank you for being a voice of reason.

[@vladivanov5500]

I don't believe those studies are taking into account time-elapsed (native-born's criminal record over the course of their life vs an immigrant that's been here for a spell) or generational problems. Also, in the case of Afghans, who were specifically referenced as having a lower crime rate, the rape count is higher than any other demographic.

[@remyllebeau77]

Yeah those "studies" are "fortified".

[@meatbyproducts]

Some of the studies only include legal imgrants or exclude some types of crime or compare violent crime of one group to all types of crime of another group. This was an episode of cherry picked junk science. People that wait in line and come here legally tend to be awesome. Refugees, not so much. There is an apartment complex just north of me that is used by the federal government for Refugees and since that moved in the small town it is in has skyrocketed in crime, mostly violent crime like rape and assault.

[@kunphorm8777]

@@meatbyproducts agreed!

[@element5999]

The "native born" criminal record is not ethnically balanced either! There's a HUGE difference between native born white and native born black criminality for example. Just like America's gun homicides are driven by one ethnicity, not all equally. There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[@btsnake]

This whole thread is just people allergic to treating other people as individuals, so I'm figuring a lot of these people are quite out of place here

[@NashLaoShi]

I'm so disappointed that Mr. Stossel fell for the 'Marielitos' had a negligible, negative effect. As a Miami native - and Spanish speaker who currently lives in Central America - I can tell you that all crime, including violent crime, soared as a result of Castro's criminals. Mr. Stossel, I'll be on the lookout for your correction.

[@rippedharbor320]

This guy

[@DR---]

It's clear from this video that Stossel is a sellout.

[@rippedharbor320]

@@DR--- How?

[@Drako9823]

@RIPP32HARB0R Guy he interviewed outright lied about dated, such as what OP mentioned. Stossel didn't push back against any of the lies or claims like he normally does, which were numerous.

[@ScrappyXGC]

Thanks for saying something. I thought that part of the video was flat out wrong, yet worried maybe what I'd been told about that time was wrong. Thank you.

[@Dudanation12]

"It's possible to care about two things at once." Best argument ever.

[@RockiestRock]

Do we have a labor shortage? Or are employers failing to offer sufficient compensation for labor?

[@bullmoosevelt4495]

For big businesses that would be the case, but for everything else, inflation has just been making it extremely difficult for employers to afford anything livable. Not to mention that American labor unions make it all the more difficult with their unreasonable demands for welfare from the employer, that immigrant workers are far more appealing because they will accomplish the tasks without complaint. The reality is that if Americans stopped complaining and started sweating, there wouldn’t be a need for more immigrants in the US.

[@mikeaxer1625]

There is no comparison with the Ukrainian and Syrians, Poland has to take in refugees from a neighboring country according to international law. They have no obligation to take in people from half way around the world.

[@kakhakheviashvili6365]

Other thing. Look at Ukrainian refugees-most of the are women, children or elderly. Now look at Middle Eastern refugees. That simple observation can help to see who are refugees, and who are opportunists, looking for free paychecks.

[@BoycottChinaa]

I remember Ukrainians arrested at the border a few months ago, as ten thousand Haitians ran past them.

[@fahimrind9714]

mate did you watch the damn video?

[@yomi3099]

Every country has a waitlist and fees. Typically 10 years if I remember correctly (checked some years ago). I am fine with legal immigration and I understand the struggles of people from other countries. I do think we should take power from the cartels that are feeding off these people trying to move here. I also believe masses coming in illegally push back people who took time to come legally and can put strain on people in the US. We also have citizens here who have trouble and need help. There are many ways we can go about this but can cause just as many problems.

[@JayVal90]

Yeah I really hate the “oh it worked out for the immigrants and they are all benefitting therefore it must be good for the rest of us” argument. That’s not an argument for why the rest of us should allow that cost to be thrust upon us.

[@EcoMouseChannel]

The immigration issue can be solved with mandatory 4 year conscription. In either the Military or Public Service. They get to learn the values, the language and customs, and enter society with employable skills.

[@davewestfall1325]

Listening to this, you would think that open borders is the best thing ever…

[@gheebuttersnaps2011]

That's libertarians for you. They have all these great ideas and perspectives and you start saying to yourself, wow these people might actually know what they're talking about. Then they say something stupid like this to remind yourself why you're not a libertarian.

[@lucasromero9377]

@@gheebuttersnaps2011 said beautifully

[@Gitn2it]

No mention of Covid. I guess all illegal immigrants are naturally Covid free.

[@gheebuttersnaps2011]

@@lucasromero9377 thank you

[@docgiggs]

Yep, just open your front door to your house and let anyone in! What could go wrong?

[@Nanogrip]

I don't understand why does the US have to be open borders, when other countries have strict immigration requirements? The reason why the process should be difficult is to ensure you do get good, hard working people. If you want to come to the US, start early and learn English, US culture, and American history.

[@Deontjie]

Imagine going illegally into one of these countries. They will execute you.

[@vyktorehon5995]

I think people say that cause historically the US took nearly every kind of migrant. Irish, Italians, Chinese, Indians, Hispanics, Jews, etc so they think the precedent still holds now

[@WhyHandleYouTube]

We don't have to and we should absolutely enforce our borders. But the current radical progressives in power see these "illegals" as "future progressive voter base." They don't really care about the plights of these people. Ever notice none of these "virtuous" progressives who are for open borders ever mention the incredibly inhumane abuses these people have to endure while being exploited by their cartel overlords?

[@jasongrundy1717]

The Democrats want their slaves back with an underclass, which is exactly what the US is getting.

[@vladivanov5500]

@@vyktorehon5995 Thing is, there's multiple precedents for closed borders. At various stage in history, US had closed the borders for up to a decade even to allow an assimilation period for the new arrivals. America used to practice a policy of what they called 'splendid isolation'; closed borders, non-intervention, neutrality. The modern approach of open borders, interventionism and radical global 'social justice' is largely a reversal of American tradition.

[@abalsly]

Another great video. Thank you Mr. Stossel. I am glad you produce such informative content.

[@seanrebello9799]

Thanks John! You are an American treasure and national icon. Thank you for being one of the few real journalists left. I appreciate you.

[@TheBallsKicker]

I'd like to see Matt Welch take in these refugees from Syria or Africa. I'm sure he has a big enough place to fit them into.

[@kelamullah1999]

They gotta be white.

[@MattFoote]

"We've made getting into the country so difficult that the only way to do it is illegally." This is of course not true, even for our Southern border. It may seem easier, but that is far from the same thing. It's also not true that we have a labor shortage. We have jobs not being filled, but that's not the same thing either. We should take in immigrants, but we do have to be sure that our immigrants embrace the values that make America great: Liberty, limited government, morality, work ethic.

[@docgiggs]

I didn't even address that stupid claim in my post. My wife is not a native born American. She is Hispanic and legally here. She managed to do it legally and it really isn't that hard. It is that hard if the person has a criminal record already from their home country, or they are looking to leech of the welfare system while working under the table for less than minimum wage to send that money back to their original country. Something that I don't think refugees from Ukraine would be doing if they come here. John and the CATO guy are making immigrants out to be a huge block of the same people with cherry picked data points (most of which are easily and demonstrably disproven on other websites of which I listed in my other post). This was such a massive turd of a video by John I am about ready to unsub.

[@cp1cupcake]

I can't find the exact number for the last few years, but there was a local news article which came out talking about how the UN's refugee organization has estimates for how many refugees each country can support, and the illegal migrants in the country I live in (mostly from places like Eritrea) which are claiming to be refugees was something like double the amount we are estimated to be able to support. There is a vast difference between refugee, immigrant, and illegal alien and most of the people talking about immigration do not care for the distinction. I'm not 100% sure, but based on Matt Walsh's complete open door policy, I think he is one of them.

[@gabrielbarrantes6946]

@@docgiggs how did she get it? It's quite hard unless she has a relative or something there.

[@PzychoticElephantz]

As a person going through a process to legally get into America I promise it is a very long and unobtainable process for many to complete. Takes years and years and mine specifically takes around 3000 dollars which is not easy because making that money in a different country is, in itself, a process. Regardless of your beliefs, America's immigration system needs drastic reformation.

[@docgiggs]

@@PzychoticElephantz Tend to your house first to summarize a few bible versus. I agree some things need reform, but to reform it, we need to secure it first. A bank that is easy to rob doesn't invite new customers in until they secure themselves properly. The vast majority of people I have worked with over the years are H1B1 work visa immigrants that live here. Yah, they all mostly come from India, but they have little problems at all getting them. I also agree that the cost to nationalize is stupid and is part of the reason my wife still isn't an American citizen. As far as getting in, America lets in far more legal immigrants for legal work that any other place on this side of the world.

[@terencebelprez8158]

Thank you Stossel. With everything that's going on today, everything in politics seems to polarize people with the "us vs them" mentality. During the 70's, my teenage father and his family went to the trouble of housing a South Vietnamese refugee. It goes back to the saying of Mother Teresa in that "if you can't feed 100 people, just feed one". Society and government can't eliminate the world's problems, but at the very least we as individuals can go the extra mile in making a small difference in another person's lives. That's the beauty of individual freedom. Yes it's a great responsibility, but it's great because freedom is the ability to do good

[@LucidDreamer54321]

As Paul McCartney would say, “Someone's knockin' at the door. Somebody's ringin' the bell. Do me a favor. Open the door and let 'em in.”

[@MegaTeeruk]

I don't know anyone who has an issue with legal immigrants - hell I even married one - but territorial sovereignty is one of the federal government's most basic responsibilities. When it allows people in unchecked if even one of those people is criminal than the government has failed. If a person comes in legally and due dilligence is done to be sure that not only is the person not a threat but could be an asset, but later turns out the person is criminal that is forgivable because due diligence was done and you aren't going to be right 100% of the time. It's like having a house sitter, if you just let any one come in off the street with no questions and they rob you blind - that is your fault. America is our house and for better or worse the federal government is in charge of screening our guest and residents to be sure our house doesn't get trashed.

[@NobleOmnicide]

I'd LOVE for Matt Welch to tell me where bringing in masses of culturally dissimilar people has created a "higher trust" society. This is gonna be one of those things that I just don't agree with Stossel on.

[@DUMBDUDEGAMER]

The problem isn't being culturally dissimilar necessarily. Most people I know are first or second generation immigrants from other countries and they all get along well with each other despite also being from different cultures. The problem is letting people who hate America into America and encouraging them to come in through things like illegal immigration.

[@jeanniemaycrawford4466]

We were all culturally dissimilar. Like this video said, it's not the immigrants that are the problem, it's people trying to stand out culturally that's creating the divide

[@jaswicki]

Racist!!! Look how well it is working in Minnesota. They have built a successful terrorist recruiting area there.

[@BezmenovWasRight]

@@jaswicki 😅😅

[@familyengineering5591]

Democrats hate America

[@paulkurilecz4209]

A labor shortage? How about too low wages to attract workers?

[@palaceofwisdom9448]

We do NOT have a worker shortage in America, we have a huge surplus of people being paid by the government not to work. We also take in more immigrants than any other nation on earth. It is not "impossible to come here legally", it is impossible for EVERYONE to come here legally.

[@sincerely-b]

I agree with Ann Coulter on this one.

[@ebrakefml]

Yeesh. That's a bad look on just about anyone.

[@TeamBrooksx6]

3:03 He points out the issue most people have “people who go to the lengths to get to this country” -- brining in immigrants, refugees is one thing -- watching people sneak in is totally different! And yes we can care about a lot of things -- and that is what we all agree on -- IMMIGRATION SYSTEM IS BROKEN!

[@carboncube9444]

Then make it so they don’t have to sneak in

[@TeamBrooksx6]

@@carboncube9444 no one HAS to sneak in - 🤨

[@lainiwakura1776]

@@TeamBrooksx6 These are people who, if they could easily get work visas for seasonal work, would work the farms during harvests and then go back home to their countries once the work is done. That's the main reason they come here, but it's dangerous to continually border hop, so once they're here, they stay and work jobs where they get paid under the table and get exploited. If we loosened up work visa requirements, it would be how it was during the Cesar Chavez days and no waves of illegal aliens.

[@carboncube9444]

@@TeamBrooksx6 I don’t know man the US immigration system is really fucked up and it’s really hard to get in

[@gheebuttersnaps2011]

@@carboncube9444 So why should the US have to make it easy for people to become citizens? Absorbing all these immigrants just takes away tax paying citizens and remittances from their country of origin. How are these second and third world countries ever gonna prosper if their people start mass migrating to the US? Everyone would be a lot better off if successful countries like the US just helped poor countries grow and prosper instead of stealing their best citizens.There's no conceivable way for the US to help everyone so all it does is help the few while perpetuating an infinite despair for the rest that never end up migrating until their lineage is left with nothing.

[@Off-Brand_Devin]

It was mentioned that immigrants are less likely to commit crime and use welfare, thus the fears around immigration are unfounded. It was also discussed that the US immigration process is so strict that it's practically impossible to legally immigrate, and thus it should be made simpler. Could that stringent immigration vetting be the reason that immigrants are so much less likely to commit crime and use welfare?

[@LibertyDownUnder]

US immigration queue isn't "Broken", it's just full. Arguing for taking more people in is one thing, but arguing for ignoring the law is another. Those arguing to enforce the law and border policies is just plain common sense

[@JoSeF...]

Tell that to Germany a few years back... Plus Sweden. Crime has risen because of the refugees from Syria.

[@kotk05]

They didn't have the numbers for those countries. It might be flip flop in Europe like you say.

[@volters9561]

They weren`t refugees, they were migrants. Mostly young men from other than Syria countries. When they heard about amount of money German goverment wanted to give to refugees, they just went for a trip.

[@DMAGAEscober]

@@volters9561 call em what they are, economic migrants and the fact that they ended up all the way in Northern Europe and not a neighboring country, means they were brought on purpose.

[@Steve_Just_Steve]

"Assimilate" was the key word there. The more that come the less incentive there is to do so.

[@vickie2658]

We can definitely care (one way or the other) about both borders…. We just need to stop FUNDING the other border before securing our own.

[@defiant216]

They failed to mention that while the 1st gen does well, the 2nd gen (their children) commit crimes at a much higher rate.

[@JackC5]

I don't have a problem with people coming to the US, but we can't accept everyone. Poland accepted people who have similar culture and we able to assimilate quickly. Many people who come to the US do not assimilate to our culture.

[@Zach-ju5vi]

I would like to add that many will probably go back to the Ukraine after the war.

[@MrJimthebaptist]

I watched a church take in a massive amount of new members that didn't line up with the core beliefs of the members that founded the church and sacrificed to purchase the land and building. Within three years the core values doctrinal practices of that church that stood for years completely changed into something it never was because with membership comes the power to vote in business meetings. The same thing can happen to a country and the democrats are using that to gain and keep their power.

[@Knightmessenger]

What values do immigrants have that dont line up with Americans? And how do you know this? Personally Im more worried about the values espoused by citizens in Portland and Seattle versus would be immigrants.

[@willyrinofficial]

My mind has been changed. Thank you Stossel! I've heard all of the Fox News / Conservative talking points against immigration, and I don't disagree with their concerns. But the numbers speak for themselves. If the numbers show that FAR less immigrants commit a fraction of the number of crimes than NATURAL BORN US CITIZENS, then let them come in. NOT Open Boarders, but LEGAL Immigration. My parents were Cambodians fleeing the Communist Khmer Rouge. I am fortunate that they immigrated to the US. From my understand prior to this video, Immigrants do a much better job of making this country better than NATURAL BORN Americans. Take a look at the household income and education by Ethnicity/Race demographic. Jews and Asians are at the top, over their Hispanic / White / Black race counterparts. I believe that Immigrants have a much more powerful hunger to be successful than the coddled natural-born generation of Americans. I want to leave a comment on this video for if I ever come back.

[@eddiemclean7011]

Without a border we have no nation. Still I find it strange that anyone can come here thru our southern border without any paperwork or ID. Yet US citizens must obtain passports and vaccination records etc to leave....

[@johnsamson9889]

I agree with legal immigration completely. My Grandparents came here through Ellis Island. Immigration should be simplified. John your interview however looked more like propaganda. In the end the viewer could only agree with you. I question these sugar coated stats, nothing is strictly black and white. Try harder John, this was just to easy. Love your channel. Thank you.

[@caster863]

Enacting these kinds of polices is reckless. It doesn't matter if they are less likely to commit crimes, there still needs security and saftey not just for regular citizens, but also the them. FYI: I'm censoring certain words because KZbin is deleting my comment.

[@michaelnyden8056]

Back in the day we asked immigrants to assimilate, now we ask them not to in pop culture, also our benefits are now greater for immigrants than they used to be and our infrastructure is crumbling now which can’t support an influx like we could do in the past

[@Mintstar_Oceanpop]

That truck driver at the end. That's also how my father came to this nation. 45 years later he owns a successful small business, 95 acres of land, and a home in the country.

[@clarkhenderson4593]

As someone who’s wife is on a green card and taking her citizenship test next year I can say it isn’t impossible to come here legally. It is just unfair to those who come here legally to allow people who don’t to stay. They didn’t even touch on how much it costs to do it legally. It costs thousands just fees. Basically it isn’t right or fair for those that come legally. It makes a world wide laughing stock. (Like my en law asking how they could come to the US and being told to just go to Mexico and cross the border)

[@firstlast9916]

Fake marriage? Bet you wouldn’t have married her if it wasn’t for the law. And how is that fair to a family? They are already married and don’t qualify for any green card category.

[@AsianTheDomination]

The solution to the labor shortage is absolutely not to bring in scabs. Theres a reason roofing, carpentry, landscaping, and the other construction trades aren't paying nearly as much as they used to. If you build houses for people and can't even afford one for a family, you aren't living the american dream. What happens when the more skilled trades lower their standards and licensing requirements to fill these positions, and less experienced workers are now responsible for your power and plumbing? What happens when our people, who should come first by right, cannot find a way to earn a decent living and are forced to own nothing and be happy? You also seem to be using refugee and immigrant interchangeably, when they are not the same thing. The US government can't afford pensions for their own citizens, why are we even discussing throwing away billions to problems we shouldn't be involved in? Sounds like treason

[@piouswhale]

Its because of our entitlement state. People get given shit for nothing and they lose motivation to do for themselves. Meanwhile the rest of us schmucks pay for the leeches

[@evanfreund5651]

Well, John Stossel is also against licensing as a libertarian. In theory, reducing licensing requirements reduces the cost of a service. The most egregious example of licensing is probably barber licenses. Plus, your logic assumes the licensing organization is trustworthy, which may not be true. Also, in the video it was pointed out how the refugees and/or immigrants use less social security. Also, immigrants are “our people” This is a nation of immigrants, whether it be the Italians and Irish in the past or the Syrian & Mexican refugees today. It’s the great American melting pot, and its what actually makes this country great.

[@algernoncalydon3430]

As a person who worked to get my spouse through the greencard process let me sum it up. Costs at least ten grand. You are treated like crap by the government. They lie and play devious games with your life. They will tell you no just for fun to see if you cry. It's a ridiculously terrible system run by the worst kind of government employees. After going through it one can see why so many can't or won't.

[@larrydugan1441]

My brother entered legally and stayed legal with visas. He paid taxes, had a four year degree and owned a company with many American employees. After 22 years he has just received a green card. His daughters were all American athletes. One of them 7 times, earned academic scholarships. After growing up their whole lives in America no longer qualify to stay in the US as they were over 21 when he final received his green card. That is the system. Apparently they aren't even dreamers. How messed up is that?

[@danf7568]

Over population growth has a huge negative price for it in terms of crime, shity environments, etc, etc, according to some well known professionals. This seems like a good topic to discuss more fully.

[@johnree6106]

I am not a libertarian and I don't agree with open borders but I do agree that the immigration system needs to be fixed. It shouldn't take years to get to become a citizen. If they pass a basic background check and will not be a drain on society let them apply and get citizenship.

[@BezmenovWasRight]

I say make it harder, you guys have so many problems already, stop immigration for a while and purge this progressive agenda first, God save America!

[@jerkfck]

@@BezmenovWasRight exactly...we need to fix our border crisis first, among other things before letting more ppl in.

[@nefariouspersephone9447]

but every citizenship is long and arduous in other countries. so i dont see what the problem is. maybe not take it 10years but i think 5 years plus showing theyve worked the entire time is good proof. we dont need anymore welfare

[@notavailable9919]

Yes it should take years. It is a privileged to be a citizen, not a right. You must prove yourself and earn it!

[@cleverwitticismhere6922]

@@jerkfck Why not stop immigration until our president flies over a rainbow on an Alicorn too? They'll be accomplished in about the same timeframe. The current immigration polices are the CAUSE of the border problems. If you put this off until the U.S. has no other problems, it'll never happen.

[@Ih8GoogleandApple]

If you lived near the border you would change your opinion on open borders if you thought open borders were a good thing. When the problem isn’t staring you in the face it allows you to be openly liberal rather than conservative

[@Knightmessenger]

I live near the border and I'd love it to be open... with Canada. I see no reason why the US couldnt make an agreement similar to the Schengen Zone in Europe. Mexico on the other hand, I would want to see more progress on metrics like standard of living, level of corruption and wages before a schengen agreement could work.

[@Ih8GoogleandApple]

@@Knightmessengerif Canada was an open border you would have severe issues with BC Bud flooding into the US.

[@Knightmessenger]

@@Ih8GoogleandApple BC bud?

[@ericeboyd]

As an American who has been living overseas for the past five years trying to complete the adoption of triplet boys and is now in the process of getting their visas to bring them home, I have a unique perspective. Of course I want to get home with my children as soon as possible. I've even had to hire a U.S. immigration attorney to make sure the visa process gets approved in a timely manner. The process needs to be overhauled. However, we are a sovereign country and we should, as a people, have a say on who gets to come into our country. They should share our basic values, share their unique cultural gifts and be willing to assimilate to become Americans.

[@bmoturtleco]

Stossel got so much wrong in this video. He normally gets better information for his videos. You can't claim that illegal immigrants are not breaking laws when the fact they are here illegally is itself a crime. Allowing massive amounts of refugees into this nation is never a good idea. There's no verification, vetting, or screening to insure they will benefit our country. As someone who lives in a rough area, I can speak from personal experience and say that we do not need any more illegal immigration. The sound of gunshots and sirens are a nightly occurrence. They take jobs from citizens and deplete our local resources. Massive amounts of illegal immigrants are on welfare. Further hindering aid to actual citizens. There is a legal way to enter this country, and most just don't care to follow the law. We as a nation need to secure our borders and refuse any refugees. They need to stay in their country and fight for a better life. If we keep receiving these people our nation will be irreparably damaged, as is evident by past mass migrations. Americans need to put America first! We, as a nation, can not continue to be the world's police and babysitter. We must put our citizens' needs ahead of others. Until our own people are no longer hungry, homeless, and impoverished, we should not be accepting any immigrants, refugees, or others.

[@SalvadorEguiarteDG]

It is better to give and help. Immigrants get the impression that’s the way they should also behave and they do mostly. There are exceptions but most people will take the chance of starting anew.

[@bmoturtleco]

@Trog Dor when I was first starting out looking for work, I couldn't even get a job cleaning toilets because they could hire illegals below the minimum wage. I tried various places that out right told me if I didn't speak Spanish, they couldn't hire me because there would be no way to communicate with the other workers. A big part of our nation's immigration issues is that businesses hire them below market value. We must hold companies accountable and make sure Americans are being put to work.

[@bmoturtleco]

@@SalvadorEguiarteDG If they are not willing to fight for their country and make it better, what makes you think they will fight for America? Helping others is fine and all as long as they are willing to help themselves. Sadly, most of these people end up being a burden on society and a drain on local resources.

[@SalvadorEguiarteDG]

@@bmoturtleco this is simply not true. Check the stats for yourself. Check how many illegals have fought for America in recent wars. One of the main concerns for the immigration ministry in Mexico is the hordes of Mexicans that would be sent to fight in Ukraine given the need for it.

[@doyouseewhatisee3183]

Also at the end of the day who's the one's truly paying for reparations? We pay for everything but we are not the ones giving it to everyone.

[@virginiasingler3985]

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children. Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

[@kunphorm8777]

I bet Britain just loves all of their wonderful immigrants.

[@doyouseewhatisee3183]

I like helping people, But America first not the other way around. We need to fix what others are doing to us from the inside out, again not the other the way around.

[@throatwobblermangrove8510]

This guy's making the same mistake the leftists make: conflating "immigrants" with "illegal immigrants", and I'm surprised and disappointed that Stossel didn't push back on this once. Any crime committed by an illegal immigrant while politicians (who actually decide on immigration law) push open borders and ignore our immigration laws is an inexcusable crime. And it doesn't matter what the comparative crime rates are when that person should never have been here to commit those crimes. And yes, "you can care about more than one thing at once," but taking taxpayer money away from Americans to fund problems of citizens of other countries when you haven't fixed the problems in America is asinine. Care all you want, but don't use governmental force to extort from our own people to show how much you "care". Dig into your own pockets, donate to non-profits, and do whatever you feel is right with YOUR OWN money, time and resources. This is seriously the worst Stossel take I've ever seen on a subject. The war du jure is Ukraine, but what about the roughly 2 dozen other wars going on right now around the world? I don't see a big push to take in all of those refugees, or send money and troops, or hell, even to mention them once in a while. I guess Ukraine is the only war big enough to stop people talking about Will Smith bitch-slapping Chris Rock. I'm far from being anti-immigrant. My wife is Chinese, and came here LEGALLY knowing not a word of English. She spent the past 10 years working and saving, and now enjoys the benefits of her hard work and sacrifices. Stossel, at least if you're going to address immigration, have the decency to distinguish between legal and illegal immigration. I noticed that the statistics you showed didn't compare crime rates between those two groups. I'll bet that if you look at it, there's a remarkable difference.

[@JackTorrance333]

John has been a cia plant for decades. Wake up to the real shit brother!!! Cheers

[@Cpt_Dave]

Speaking of labour shortages. I don't know the numbers in the US, but here in Germany everybody cries about not getting enough workers. Reason isn't that there are no workers. Instead, there are no workers left who want to do a bad job for very little money.

[@joegutierrez2659]

I had a friend who lived in a small trailer park and 3/4 of all the residents were illegal immigrants, I'd say maybe 120 persons(single men, familes). I eventually got to know them all. Most of the families were getting cash and assistance from Catholic Charities and other enabler entities, the men were mostly uneducated and illegaly held labor jobs(construction). All of them always praised Mexico and would tell me the US was horrible. They would sent most of their cash back to relatives in Mexico and spend the rest drinking alcohol. I didn't meet any programmer's,engineers, farmers etc., just moochers...

[@firstlast9916]

Catholic charities paid their bills? How? The catholic charities are Spanish speaking churches. So the immigrants were giving the church money and then the church gave it back? You people make no sense.

[@olianims]

I'm down for immigration as long as they assimilate into American culture. I'm not 100% sure if this is true but I've heard that there are Muslim communities in Texas or something protesting for Sharia Law. Thats not something that should just be ignored. Once society begins to favor the interests of immigrants over natives is where I start to have a problem.

[@royisdabest]

tell that to the people living in china town

[@jedfribley2607]

"I've heard..or something"

[@ErikPT]

Source? The State of Texas would like a word. Under Abbott like hell we would allow this debauchery. Let them do shariah law in their homes not in Texas

[@Knightmessenger]

What makes you think immigrants have different interests than native born people? Why do you feel society must favor one or the other?

[@DMAGAEscober]

@@Knightmessenger one is a tax paying native and the other is leech.

[@MT.MKD12]

The thing people need to understand about ukranian refugees is that its literally women and children (men aged 18-60 cant leave the ukranian border), the syrian(at least 50% werent actually syrian) refugee crysis was 90% able bodied men many with fundamentalists belifes not compatible with european values.

[@ayporras]

Very interesting topic Mr. stossel. Thank you very much for digging and finding the good people to talk to. Your work is appreciated worldwide, thank you.

[@waynemullally6423]

Thanks for this piece. This is the truth of refugees, and immigrants in general.