The TRUTH about the 'Fake SRAM' Wheeltop EDS

[@ChinaCycling]

Sorry for the crappy production quality on the video. Very busy with lots of cool stuff (Which I'll share on here very soon!) About to jump on a plane and ride up the road that Ken Block SMASHED in Climbkhana 2.... PEACE!

[@galenkehler]

For the record: "Dobby" is the house elf from Harry Potter "Doddy" is the GMBN presenter If I ever meet Doddy in person I'm going t have to give him a sock 🤣

[@brauljo]

@@galenkehler There's a correction at 5:38. Either way I like that he got his name wrong becuz Doddy was being a douche about the Wheeltop derailleur

[@jesusflores9479]

Hi there What happend with the last longer Review?

[@Iain110110]

Does this bolt onto derailleur hanger rather than direct mount like the sram?

[@tubularmonkeymaniac]

Was fine except for the audio

[@cyclingunboxed]

I love the fact that you can change the speeds on this. I was hoping shimano would have done the same when they bought 12 speed out so I could upgrade my bike by only getting a new chain and cassette but nope. I reckon they could definitely do this easy with a firmware update.

[@big_bird8597]

shimano would never allow that

[@AutoCAD681]

Still waiting for the EDS review and the new rim brake one..... is it ever coming ?

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

I won't ever buy SRAM again because of how they treated the people that already owned their Red groupset. I had full eTap red and when I bought it it came with a USB stick supposedly to be used for upgrades. Never did get to use it but I'm sure I paid for it. Then SRAM introduced their 12 speed but they Ef'd up even more by making the chain, sprockets, and shifting proprietary so that it did not conform to the standards on the market. You cannot use a Shimano chain or cassette if you was in a pinch and can only use SRAM's components. People say there are 3 major brands in the market to choose from but IMO there are only two because for me SRAM will never be an option. Thank you for this video and clearing up the mis information others are spreading. I hope everyone gets a chance to find this. You are a true brother to cyclists.

[@aneczka2114]

Can't wait to hear what you have to say about this wireless system...been very curious about if it is any good

[@galenkehler]

I also condemn the scam by the big brands not making their parts compatible. That's why I bought into the Archer D1x, those guys specifically built it for compatibility (1-20 speeds built in!)

[@LordHolley]

You mean interchangeable?

[@babyrabies]

they can if they wanted to, but why should they if they can make more money outta you from every single iteration.

[@GokkunGuru]

Archer is not wireless. In fact the fake wireless gimmick makes it shift slower than pre-mod.

[@galenkehler]

@@GokkunGuru what's your definition of wireless then? There's no wire so...

[@GokkunGuru]

@@galenkehler Simple. AXS is wireless. Archer uses cables to pull the derailleur, just like conventional shifting. It’s just a gimmick. Instead of running a long cable from shifter to derailleur, Archer runs it from a motor attached awkwardly on the chainstay. Reviews have said the shifting is slower than pre-Archer upgrade, but I can’t even call it an upgrade. A lot of Archer fans will get butt hurt over my comment but it is the truth of the matter.

[@galenkehler]

Thanks for the video. A bunch of us commented on the GMBN video to call out the lack of research done on the shifters featured. Not the first poor research done by GCN....

[@martintramuntbikemallorcak481]

GCN are a bunch of MUPPETS... owned by the corporations!!!

[@brenogenestreti7871]

As always: great contents. Nice explained. Away from the fuss the others like to make just to bring attention to the big brands. Once again Joe: Massive Kudos for you!

[@ChinaCycling]

Thanks for supporting the channel. Glad you find it helpful.

[@ETOE]

Seems they removed the EDS shifters from the market. It`s no longer available on their website.

[@1971lemond]

When will the EDS TX road group set be available in the U.S.?

[@squareyesj7170]

Love that you have the balls to call Sram's (and Shimano + many others, imo) design decisions 'disgusting'. As an old cyclist who likes to tinker, the modern stuff, designed to not be cross compatible, not even compatible with parts of a year or two old of the same brand, I too find disgusting. Take the front derailers for instance that do not leave enough clearance for wider tires...so many examples to list. They have sucked the fun out of cycling. Support the smaller brands, if those brands have a fair business model, providing their products are good enough, of course. Let's hurt the big greedy brands, teach them a lesson. The customer holds the power. Don't give them your money, their stuff is way over priced, over hyped and do not last..

[@brauljo]

When changing the spacing for number of gears, can you adjust the derailleur's position for each gear like on the Archer D1x? I'd be interested in using this derailleur with a 13 speed Sugek cassette

[@cristianvelasquez922]

I got an EDS and I’m using with my old 10spd MTB so far it is working great.

[@trinerd]

I just installed this groupset on my bike and so far it is amazing. Not sure about long term reliability and durability, I guess I will find out. I am aware there is a risk, but I am fed up of the big brands trying to push us into upgrading e.g. new cables and systems to go from 11 speed di2 to 12 speed di2, no rim brake for new systems, etc. If Wheeltop can sustain and refine this groupset, it will be a success as it anyone would be able to upgrade their old, forgotten by the big brands drivetrains to whatever speed folks want. I think it's a genius product idea, let's see if it works. Another angle, with this groupset, now I can upgrade my 11 speed bike to 12 speed by simply changing the cassette and chain.

[@stevoc123]

I’m interested if I can rip the shifter apart so it can be used on a x1 TT set up.

[@morrisizing]

A road version with a TT shifter would be great. As wireless 11spd would be great on one if my TT bike otherwise you need to search for old Sram stuff.

[@fomorabbit6906]

I am Chinese, I can help you feedback to the manufacturer

[@mr_musette]

Awesome, all they need now is road shifters or some sort of blips so you can fit them to drop bars.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

There are other Chinese companies making wireless road groupsets these years already. Road wireless groupsets are easier make.

[@mr_musette]

@@Grunge_Cycling know of any that are on sale?

[@primarottabikes]

Great content! Thanks again for making such good bike material and clarify what others are advertising. Thanks Joe

[@michaeltaffe5956]

The product launch in the US lasted a week before selling out! Feeling lucky to have noticed they were launching and getting an order in before the sell out.

[@scherzo0o]

I'm eager to buy this, after seeing the review of Berm Peak Express. But I cannot find anywhere on aliexpress one for sale. Any hint?

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

I think what were seeing here is the same phenomenon as we saw with Japanese car production. Toyota and Nissan (as Datsun*) tried to enter the North American market with cheap small cars, then went on to progressively take more and more market share and become dominant in certain segment. I think Shimano abandoned the road mechanical groupsets because they knew what was coming in this segment of the market. But if Chinese brands start to get into electronic groupsets, Shimano and Sram might be in for a rough ride in 10 years from now. As for Campagnolo, well people buying Campy won't certainly be seen going "as low" as buying Chinese.** *Nissan created the Datsun brand because they were afraid that the experience might killed Nissan's brand name reputation. ** Campagnolo is like US car brand Buick. They loose their market share each time one of their old customer dies.

[@derekhobbs1102]

So Nissan created Datsun way back in 1932?

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

@@derekhobbs1102 To go in the detail Nissan bought datsun in 1933 but they've use this brand for export and, as I said, avoid the risk to associate failure with Nissan. Japanese culture was an important factor in business at the time. I do not pretend to be an expert. If you want further bring further details that may even prove me wrong, you're welcome to jump in. Thanks to your superior knowledge the rest of us may all go to bed a little less stupid. 😋

[@sylvainmichaud2262]

@@derekhobbs1102 Why is it that those who feel the need to be smart asses are always lazy ? Maybe it's because they only interact with people when it's beneficial to them or their image. Add the lack of empathy for others and that would make you a psychopath.

[@Carftymk]

defintely agree it's immoral for big brands to sell a "new" product when all they had to do was update firmware.. by the way have you heard of any news about hydraulic levers or a full brake set for road from these chinese companies?

[@WashichawbachaW]

CyclingTips just recently showed LTWOO RX full hydraulic road shifters and clutched gravel RD. Hopefully, it will be release this year.

[@richardggeorge]

@@WashichawbachaW thanks, should mean road groupset isn't too far behind

[@catherineseiferth259]

f hydro levers. I'm really really glad these Chinese brands are offering and improving mechanical sets.

[@edrianvillano9018]

Cant wait for the drop bar versions of this. Im sure they will have it for rim and disc! 🤙💯

[@realalbertan]

I will probaly install this on my time trial bike....

[@realalbertan]

As far as drop bars, wheel top should just run an end plug junction box and shifter buttons and the rider adds brake levers of their choice

[@ElevatedD]

When is your test ride video coming?

[@MBdrummer3288]

Can’t wait to hear your review on this my man. Great vid. Keep up the nice work!

Any new review for this?

[@tteitei]

Really interested in how this system is compatible with so many older gear systems and would be ideal for all those tinkerers who want to upgrade older bikes to electronic shifting. I look forward to see how good their road levers turn out as I would seriously consider them for my next upgrade instead of shelling out thousands to Shimano or Sram.

[@Furniturefashion1]

I believe they are still working on this and road/gravel versions having emailed them recently. I hope they actually manage to get this into production in Europe. I for one would be on the list...

[@marcbryant8482]

Excellent vid Joe and kudos for calling out the dodgy stuff. You've got me thinking about this product when I hadn't considered wireless mtb. The multi speed option is game changer. Very keen to see the install and ride review vid!

[@ChinaCycling]

Glad to help Multispeed is great. Means you're free to throw it between builds in the future.

[@perwiratempur]

What about the support / after sales service of this RD? Also, any info on when they are coming up with a road shifter version?

[@wasupwitdat1mofiki94]

What about support/ after sales you get with Shimano? You can buy two of these Wheeltop EDS rear derailleurs for the price of one SRAM or Shimano. I don't have a problem with that. I have a Dura-Ace Di2 9150 rear derailleur I broke after one month and it cost me almost $700 for a new RD because I got no support from a very well known web retailer.

[@Grunge_Cycling]

@@wasupwitdat1mofiki94 For real, Shimano doesn't give a f

[@perwiratempur]

Not sure on the place you live but recently I got a faulty RD9150 that I sent back to the reseller shop, then they sent it in for warranty. Took about 2 months but they sent back a spanking new unit complete with the plastic wrap etc. For me Shimano 👍🏾 Also claimed warranty for Fizik, Fulcrum and Colnago as well

[@felipenavas]

Here in Brazil you're screwed if you need spare parts. You take it to LBS and they say they don't have the parts. You call the distributor and they say that they only talks with LBS.

[@felipenavas]

You try to buy on a foreign site and then he says they can't send you because he already has an official local representative. So when something comes up on AliExpress for half price, do you think I care about the big brands?

[@machohogan]

“Back in the days of eBay”, you make me feel old! I bought my first items from eBay in 2000. Pre PayPal and 95% of the listings didn’t have a photo. The ones that did were bad. I recall looking for second hand bikes in the UK and there were generally 100-200 bikes in total. Probably 10 had photos. Good times

[@Sierramike524]

I hope there's a custom function where each cog can have the movement individually trimmed like the Archer Components D1x shifters, for less than perfect derailleur hanger alignment and all.

[@manueldeubler1127]

#1 reason for electronic shifting. Being able to tell the derailleur how often and by which distance to move is what electronic shifting should all be about. Actually, 11 speed, 12 speed electronic shifter incompatability is a huge rip-off.

[@fomorabbit6906]

There is this feature, I talked to the manufacturer

[@fomorabbit6906]

And interoperable with the upcoming road bike shifting system

[@fomorabbit6906]

I'm looking forward to using it on my gravel bike

[@TC-hl1ws]

@@manueldeubler1127 Exactly! This feature will extend the life of a derailleur 3x or more. With my Archer D1x shifter no matter how mangled my derailleur gets I can easily make adjustments in the app to make the derailleur shift like new.

[@jjjbossjjj]

Can u customise the spacing for each gear?

[@mychannelforfun5523]

Where can I buy one? I can't find it on AliExpress.

[@JacobWilson]

I look forward to seeing what they do with the planned road groupset.

[@trevekneebone369]

Looks great. Would love this on my 20 year old Cannondale hardtail MTB. Battery life?

[@fomorabbit6906]

As far as I know, the kit contains two batteries for replacement

[@trick1420]

I just went to look this up on Aliexpress... Nothing. Not a single Wheeltop product comes up in the search. Have they been pulled from Aliexpress? Or blocked for US IP ranges?

[@SgtFinaldo]

This, but with a hydraulic road lever and wireless shifting. Are Wheeltop working with LTWOO or Sensah in this regard? I'd preorder instantly if so.

[@NewPolishScientist]

I love that 11/10/9 speed feature. I could use it on my 1x road bike. Hopefully they will make UK shipping

[@otbusinessconsulting3864]

Can I use this dreaullier with a 9 speed cassette with 11-50 ratio?

[@BoomerangVillage]

Does this derailleur have a drop bar remote? I hope it isn't just limited to flat bar bikes.

[@LordHolley]

Well I think I need to get my hands on one of those. I use the axs X01 on 1 of my bikes and I absolutely love it. I run 9 speed on my E-MTB, I would love to have a derailer like that on it and tune it for 9spd.

[@razorree]

How big is on a bike? how much its protruding outside bike silhouette. I saw my friend's GX AXS recently and it's terribly big (comparing to shimano, or even mechanical sram - which is quite big as well), i'd hit rocks with it few times per ride :/

[@butchl6403]

I watched this video and was looking forward to your follow up video on its trail performance. I can’t seem to find that video.

[@ChinaCycling]

I never took it to any serious trails... but there are other KZbinrs out there who have...

[@matthiasschulze393]

being able to select cassette size is interesting...but wasn't shifting ratio of cassettes particular to the manufacturer? for example a shimano 12 speed shift ratio is different than sram, how does the EDS system know this or can it be changed by the app?

[@ADVRaiderKTM]

Any updates on this groupset?

[@kokonut5]

I love the interchangeable speeds. Tho 300 is still too much for me. I'll stick with mechanical shifting for the time being at least until more companies pop up.

[@BakiYuku]

Where did you get the app? Because I want to buy it but without the app it is useless...

[@ismaelsuarezvarelagarcia222]

Have you found the name of the app? I bought the item but I can't find the app and I need it, thanks.

[@rubenvor]

Thanks for sharing the unbiased true! This is the type of content everyone should be watching. Thanks a lot! 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@ChinaCycling]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@1mesonyx]

Do you know if and when they will launch road version? I must admit i love the faature to use it from 8 to 12 speed. I've also just checked their website and aliexpress with no luck- mountain version in sold out...

[@Jinedan]

Joe, no actual clutch on that derailleur - just a strong pivot spring?

[@michaeltaffe5956]

Now ezbike in Canada is listing the product. And this channel showed a drop bar version at a trade show. Would be nice for you to give us an update on your long term test experience with the one you installed for this.

[@LouisArquivio]

I was wondering, do you know about any "Chinese" groupset that include hydraulic disc brakes?

[@卡臣-c2f]

Check out the brand 'Onirii', they selling their brake product which could be paired with sensah groupset, they are corporate partner.

[@edfungus]

There was a new Ltwoo rx mechanical hydraulic road groupset at eurobike this year shown by cyclingtips briefly

[@DaveCM]

I hope they come out with a road/gravel version too.

[@johnnyboy4711]

love to have one for 1x CX/Gravel bike,also for TT bike if they could do BT blips for 1x setup.

[@limwiching2277]

Is this year China cycling expo has been cancel ? i waiting to see Wheeltop electronic groupset road version ..

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, cancelled until next year's show.

[@rubencalleh]

What happend with Sensah? It seems like they dessapear from social networks and the seems to be unchanged for years

[@goonzjav]

Has there been a follow up to this yet?

[@maykelcoimbra8446]

hi congratulations good video . I have an ODS OX and I couldn't install it and it still crashed. how to restore factory settings and where to download the app 3.0 ?

[@sydnelsom]

i update for 2.9 version (before with 2.8) and the ODS OX dont work !

[@jett2211]

Picked one of these up and I am very curious and excited. I have been trying to contact WheelTop about some other products, curious if you have had any experience with their CR12 crankset? Any idea of the weight? Love the videos.

[@silcas]

What’s happened? It’s no longer available!!!

[@megalomaniacdreamer]

where can you buy these? can't find any.

[@sebastianignacio1960]

what app is this? i have this groupset but i don´t found the app :C

[@philhunt1442]

Hello, is it still possible to purchase these overseas?

[@jeffreyreed6056]

I agree, with software we should be able to use these deraileurs across all cassettes!

[@DEV-rw7eu]

Is the link to the app still available?

[@sitoudien9816]

GCN group has been shilling hard for the big brands. They have no credibility!

[@stitcher9290]

That's Doddy's influence largely. He's always been like that even since the MBUK days. Anything that isn't too tier brand he shits on. He used to shit on peoples bikes and equipment when they saw him at spots and came up to say hi and chat bike stuff

[@veganpotterthevegan]

They cover what people are disproportionately going to buy. The fact that they even talked about this shows they're not really just shilling. They're also a network that covers everything. They're not solely product reviewers.

[@BlackyBrownDestruction9337]

There's a 13 speed?

[@roblaidlaw2763]

This seems to have disappeared completely off of Ali express! What’s happened?

[@francisleesc]

Hi, my derailluer jammed after i upgrade it firmware, can someone help?

[@ismaelsuarezvarelagarcia222]

what is the name of the APP? Thank you

[@ScalfC1]

I bought one of these and it quit working. I reached out to the company and they have not replied as of yet and it’s been a month. How can I get this warrantied?

[@ChinaCycling]

Where did you buy it? Like when you buy something i the west, you usually have to contact the seller, not the manufacturer.

[@DatingElevated]

@@ChinaCycling I'm curious to know where he bought it from. I bought mine from Aliexpress but it hasn't come in yet. @Craig where did you get yours?

[@coldramen1665]

Thanks for the video! May I know what kind of bike it is behind you? Loving how it looks. The blue hybrid bike. I hope to get a reply.

[@ChinaCycling]

Thats the Winspace G2 with a flat bar on it. A few vids about it on my channel. :)

[@coldramen1665]

@@ChinaCycling thanks for the reply. I'll definitely check it out.

[@arnoldvales784]

@China Cycling. I visited their site and it's not available yet. However, I did see it being sold in aliexpress under sram gx keyword. Nothing shows up when I search under wheeltop eds. When it is officially for sale, I hope you would include a link and discount in your video. I too am using sram red axs but I would not mind trying this one out.

[@koruja0_mtb428]

How to download the app??

[@Adam-Minka-Dink]

I recall in one of your videos you said there was a chat server where we can speak to you. Is that still going? If so where can I join? Cheers and thanks for the content.

[@jimlmackjr1]

How the app for programming Is it in English

[@robp3431]

If it has decent chain tension, I would consider ordering this unit. I have AXS on my gravel bike and the most annoying characteristic is the weak chain tension, compared to my mechanical(s).

[@ohmingfeng9351]

you can buy aftermarket pulley cage and install it so that it has higher tension. the stock cage has 1 hole but the aftermarket ones has 2

[@fwzikrm]

would love to get a review of cross compatibility of chains/cranskets especially between a 11/12 speed setting.

[@ilovelimpfries]

This seems like a superior product. Looking forward to the test ride.

[@G4ngsta4l1f3]

Another channel has a nice video on the test ride: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aqKxh2Ounq2Yd9E

[@andrewmurgatroyd9214]

Hope they will make a road Groupset soon. Yes there are some iffy seller's on Aliexpress but mostly I had good experience.

[@onederment]

Hey Joe, I have been waiting very patiently for you to produce the next video on this... whats the issue?

[@ChinaCycling]

Hey David. Just not enough hours in the day to ride all my bikes. Currently riding MTB once every 2 weeks or so. Want to get more miles on it before I say it's good or crap. So far so good though.

[@onederment]

@@ChinaCycling i took a look at Wheeltop EDS... i don't see it on selling anywhere? Is there a problem with the patents? I have a Shimano derailleur and an Xshifter but if i can replace it with the EDS, it becomes a very attractive proposition. The button interface though on the Xshifter is better.

[@abirkhanrafee1889]

What are those brakes on your mtb in the video?

[@WashichawbachaW]

Zrace M2 quad piston brakeset lighter than Shimano XTR for $105.

[@janeblogs324]

I absolutely hate that shimano/sram 9,10,11,12 speed road and MTB all use specific shifter/derailleur combos. That's 8+ different derailleurs that only work with a specific shifter. The parallagrams wear out in 2 years and become sloppy, unserviceable. Keep us up to date

[@WECR]

07:18 27.5 mtb bike?.

[@nochancecw]

Great video buddy. Super cool seeing a rear derailleur that can go between 7-13 speed. That would change the game. If that goes gravel, I'm for sure buy this

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, waiting for a drop bar version!

[@321bytor]

What on earth was that on the gravel bike tyre?

[@menoahgunzel8146]

I Really love your videos man, you're an honest person. Your video's are always a neutral as possible, you're transparant and i like that. Thank you so much for doing a honest video. This channel should get more credit

[@ChinaCycling]

I appreciate that! The best credit my channel gets is comments like these, and I'm good with that. Hope you have a good day Menoah.

[@estelja]

Rather than the app offering different "speeds" I'd like to see a company just allow you to specify the millimeter movement between shifts down to the hundreth. It would make it universally compatible with all cassettes.

[@janeblogs324]

They already let you do that, just not for 7 speed

[@jayjohnson007]

luv how you called the gmbn presenter dobby after the harry potter elf....lol

[@amc1974]

Good review thanks. Great to see that backward compatibility as you said.

[@andreabuono9693]

I can't find where to buy, even on the Wheel top site.

[@DatingElevated]

Aliexpress has em

[@ianp7048]

re battery- Sram battery is 300mAh. Lasts at least a month of riding (1000k plus with hills). EDS battery is 800mAh, and ..."The derailleur is claimed to have a battery life of “approximately one week of riding”, though this will largely depend on your riding style." ??

[@andyamos8594]

Haha, Dobby, is that the aliexpress take on GMBN's Doddy? Nice unit which makes wireless start to become tempting to us mortals!!

[@dcv9460]

AWESOME REVIEW!Thank you for this 💯 very INOVATIVE product 👍

[@franciscodebastos]

Amazing! Just waiting for the road version to pull the trigger

[@macpatterson9750]

Seems like a lot of the aliexpress listings have been taken down with this derailleur and the price has gone up to around $430. So at least for now in the us market gx axs makes more sense at around $550

[@Grunge_Cycling]

Not if you're a weight weenie lol

[@BioStuff415]

let us know when the retail version appears

[@chrisformoso]

where can I buy this?

[@chrisformoso]

up :)

[@yermanoh]

cool, i love to see good competition for the usual mob

[@abedfo88]

Somehow my opinion of the GCN family has sunk even lower. I feel like they used to be the resistance, shining a light on a marginal sport particularly in the UK. Now they are very much the bad guys.

[@ericvutran4140]

I got into road cycling 2 months ago and of course the algorithms got me watching GCN. I always got the gut feeling they are sell outs and a bunch of douchebags. The channel has a huge cringe vibe.

[@martintramuntbikemallorcak481]

wat do u expect? research who owns them... they're just another Corporation for the corporations!!

[@martintramuntbikemallorcak481]

@John Brown wheres the link?