The Truth about the X-Men

The Truth about the X-Men
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[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Even if there are politics in fiction, at best the messages should be aimed at the characters for the story, not at the crowd. George Carlin even talked about a similar thing when he said "The morals weren't blatant. They weren't shoved down the kids' throats. They’re gently massaged into the framework."

[@Bolbi145]

It really depends, Static Shock was pretty unsubtle about racism in its episode, though they did depict Richie’s father as still a good person despite his prejudice.

[@jamespaul6315]

Lets face it, the right think the fascism in starship troopers is something to be proud of and attained. Sometimes the crowd are too stupid to get the message

[@aceyspud551]

He was talking about Thomas the Tank Engine there. He was right too, shit was lit and it dumbed down nothing back in the day.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

​@@jamespaul6315or the director is incompetant at getting his point across people really don't get the the story telling concept of death of the author.

[@jamespaul6315]

@@wingsoffreedom3589 nah, morons on the right are just fascist leaning

[@fmc291]

I brought this up to someone. By lumping Magneto and Malcom X is a huge disrespect to both character and the man himself. Malcom X never once preached or suggested Black Domination over whites, which is what Magneto is all about. Malcom x preached about self sufficiency, strive for knowledge and benefiting the community by uplifting it through education and hard work. Magneto is hurt by the trauma from the Holocaust and became the very image of hatred that killed his family. These two figures couldn’t be more different in their ideology and their methods.

[@arkeshn729]

People took "By any means necessary" and ran with it

[@zionleach3001]

​@@achaudhari101Yeah Also Professor X isn't as innocent as the movies portray. Even made Magneto relive the Holocaust.

[@draconicdemigod9696]

Finally someone who actually realized that Magneto is a villain not because he "wants mutants to defend themselves from humans", but because he became what he feared. A fascist. Literally in the first live action x-men movie he was trying to turn every person into a mutant even it killed them, an allegory for racial cleansing. Hell in the third he tried to kill a mutant child because his power was used to strip mutants of theirs. That child went through the same shit as other mutants and yet magneto never once considered that.

[@arkeshn729]

@@zionleach3001 and repressed his negative emotions resulting in the accidental creation of Onslaught.

[@TS-qr3rk]

@@achaudhari101 nope.

[@VorpalSpider69]

“Hey guys, get this: what if we made the shapeshifting character nonbinary? Isn’t that a totally unique concept that’s never been done before in the history of fiction?” -the writers after creating the 5000th “original” nonbinary shapeshifter. In all seriousness, if the writers actually wanted to make a character nonbinary, why couldn’t they make one of the humans use they/them pronouns? The nonbinary shapeshifter thing has been done to death.

[@rossdavis428]

The original theme of "X-Men" was to seek-out methods of bridging the social biases within modern civilization. The problem is that Modern Wokeness corrupts the original theme into _"My Ideology Is More Important Than Yours"_ instead of _"Your Ideology Will Not Unite Us"_ Thus, that is why "Woke X-Men" is hated by vintage X-Men fans because the original X-Men was not designed to be represented this way.

[@pepita2437]

Yeah. X-men were a peacekeeping unit, who protected BOTH humans, and mutants (from each other). X-men comics taught tolerance, and peaceful coexistence. Woke teaches hate, promotes victim mentality, and segregation. Woke preaches tolerance but it doesn't willing to give it. They have no business handling a theme as complex as X-men.

[@homelesshannah50]

More like you stupid crybabies need another reason to cry over PETTY ASS SHIT

[@rossdavis428]

@@homelesshannah50 You are the prime of intolerance; the X-Men would take pity on someone like you~

[@homelesshannah50]

Look who is talking bitch! You arrogant assholes can not stand anything that doesn't cowtow and cater to your white maleness. Your crybabying and temper tantrums are nothing more than ego mad little brats angry because another race "invaded" your sandbox. You are the same hypocrites that whine the confederate flag on Dukes of Hazzard means nothing then scream like 5 year olds cause NON WHITE person got a role that you think they shouldn't. Newsflash bitch the Earth revolves around the sun, not you. @@rossdavis428

[@lemmyelk]

I first fell in love with comics after buying a Wolverine comic at my barbershop when I was five in the 80's. He was so cool, he smoked cigars and chugged beers with no effects to him, he sliced up anybody who talked smack. Now he's in a throuple with Cyclops and Jean and chews toothpicks. That's the truth.

[@stoopidpursun8140]

Modern Wolverine would lose a fist fight against the Vanisher.

[@lemmyelk]

@@stoopidpursun8140 He would lose a fist fight against Spiderham

[@kurtisdeakin]

They're neutering strong male characters one by one to try to uplift the female and trans ones.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Playing either side on the political nature of the X-Men is disingenuous because it doesn't matter if it began with or without any partisan overtones. In any case, Stan Lee said that there wasn't a political subtext at the beginning, obviously that changed with the company's approval, later.

[@piratebear3126]

A shape shifter developing body image issues from not having a fixed form could be an interesting character story. It's a story we're never going to get in 2024 unless it bashes the gender-identity angle over the reader's head, but one can hope for good stories in the future.

[@fmc291]

Milestone media had a character like that called Masqurade, in the “Blood Syndicate” title. He was a trans man who hid his true identity which made him isolated and hard to develop trust even with those he’s fighting alongside with. That could have been a very interesting idea for a new character. Unfortunately they would have to write the character doing bad things and these ideologues only see certain groups as endless victims.

[@npcimknot958]

Or even simpler.. someone not knowing who they are and allowing their environment to shape them into something they may or may not like.. ti doens’t always hae to be political.. Trying to find acceptance in yourself appearance and personality is something very universal.. and once again why anime just does it better.

[@EvilExcalibur]

That's one of the big issues I have with modern writers. If they had a collective ounce of skill they'd see that there's great potential here but they are just incapable of letting these characters be characters. They can never have flaws and they can never fail thus they can never grow or even have a well rounded personality. And it's a shame, really because this sounds like a fantastic story that could appeal to anyone that's ever been a teenager, not just the rainbow crowd.

[@pepita2437]

We alrady had that episode in teh ABtman animated, about clayface. XD

[@kyriss12]

Can’t remember where I read it, but there was one story I read with a shap shifter that could use peoples blood to become a perfect copy of someone even taking on a portion of their memories and powers. The problem was said character didn’t exactly keep a sample of their own blood when they transferred the first time so over the years they forgot what their original identity even was as all the identities they’d stolen over the years piled up.

[@Bolbi145]

From what I heard, Chris Claremont said the way he wrote Magneto and Professor X was reflective of these two Israeli politicians who had different approaches for handling various issues.

[@Shinhotep]

That is correct, yeah, he's on record for saying exactly that.

[@Bolbi145]

@@Shinhotep and not to mention, most of the best versions of superheroes and villains are made by other writers down the line rather than their initial creator.

[@matityaloran9157]

Menachem Begin and David Ben-Gurion

[@younger544]

"well intentioned rush to shut the bigots down" . Doesn't really sound like someone in the middle. Sounds a lot like describing riots and looting as "mostly peaceful protests". BOTH sides make good points, and BOTH sides are wrong on things. There is no "good guys" and "bad guys".

[@youtubegrowthexpert]

That's how the brain washing starts from both sides and that's precisely why I'm in the middle I was brainwashed from the radical left and I'll be damned if get brainwashed from the right I vote for whoever is pro America

[@RivetCityRamsey]

Yeah, that was really a telling phrase.

[@i_will_hug_your_mom]

93% of all BLM protests across the country were completely peaceful and non violent, there's an analytical report that literally proves this. You should look it up. So yeah in essense they were mostly peaceful, and people are obesssing over the very few that weren't

[@malkavianfreak]

Morph is a shapeshifter, if Morph is non-binary, then ALL of the shapeshifters are going to be non-binary and if they're not, then why not? Why is Mystique a woman but Morph is now a they/them? Why isn't Mystique now also they/them and wearing a chest binder to hide the obviously woman physical appearance? Why isn't Apocolypse also a they/them? No, they just have to grab the character with PTSD and turn him into a banner for the message because poor Morph hasn't gone through enough as it is. As a long time fangirl of X-men, both comic and animated series, I am not watching this. It is trying to tac itself onto the shoulders of giants to push a message for the loud minority. Thats not my X-Men. Also, Rogue has hips and I am not going to bother with this tripe until they can make my girl a woman again. Also, Gambit better blow Wolverines fcking hands off after chargings his SKELETON. Jesus... I can't. It hurts the fan in me. It hurts the child who loved the series, it hurts the teen who loved the comics, it hurts more than X-Men Last Stand (and that really hurt). Oh god, and Cyclopes is now the leader and all 'to me my ex-men', and just ugh. I need to go cry or something.

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

Mystique is now Nightcrawler's father, so there is in fact an argument that all mutant shapeshifters are hermaphrodites in the Marvel universe

[@mizu7662]

Realistically, a shape shifter can alter the part of their brain that determines identity and give themselves whatever gender identity they feel like. They actually get a say and can be whatever they want to be instead of being stuck with whatever brain configuration they were born with that determines identity.

[@arkeshn729]

​@@Qwerty-jy9mjwhat in the soap opera Maury nonsense? So Azazel is no longer Nightcrawlers father after 20 years?

[@TheRavenShadowsWolf]

I made a similar comment on the last video; apparently Mystique "got intimate" enough with Azazel to copy his DNA - and used that as the template to make Nightcrawler (even though the idea was that Nightcrawler be Destiny's child with Mystique alone = Destiny got written out of the equation with this tactic) * Which annoys the hell out of me because A) way too convoluted, B) Mystique is perfectly capable of having the child herself - and there was no reason to fuck with Kurt's backstory; the guy's been through enough. The reason they chose Morph is because he was only really in 3 episodes and generally isn't as well known as Mystique and Apocalypse. If they did the same to those two; massive backlash. Morph was basically a less powerful, less noteable but similar character that they knew they MIGHT get away with it for. It does piss me off, and it's one reason I also won't be watching the show. Hell, X-Men Evolution Rogue has more curves than we've seen on this version so far... The thing with Gambit charging Wolvy's claws - almost works since Adamantium is indestructible, but the rest of him's not. So yeah, his hands and forearms are gonna be Shreddies. Spaghetti paste. The chunky kind. But hey, it looks cool, right? * Rolls Eyes *

[@billcox8870]

To me, Rogue was the classic southern belle

[@robertfalcone3025]

FINALLY someone gets the "X Men 97 is gonna be WOKE" debate RIGHT! Stan Lee & Jack Kirby did NOT create the X Men as a metaphor for the Civil Rights movement..Stan Lee added this in YEARS later.. also Stan Lee has also stated that he was SICK of using RADIATION as the way superheros got there powers..

[@NStormRider]

The issue isn't that they are political - it's that the comics should not pledge allegiance to a real world political side. The X-Men "getting political" is not that they suddenly have political things to explore, but that they are owned by one perspective that has lost the self awareness to critique their own ideas and behavior. The people who see the suppression of mutants as justified have real, in universe, good arguments against simple acceptance - mutants who are dangerous though no fault of their own... Mutants who are manipulated by ideology to be just as bad or worse than their human enemies... And mutants who do not give a care and use their powers selfishly and destructively. The comics justify enmity toward mutantkind because the real obstacle is not that people are deluded but that they are myopic. The race-hater has every right to hate the people who turn his sister into a long smear, but has to confront that his own absolutism will do the same thing to someone just as innocent. Mature writers will be able to give people good reasons to turn to bad solutions, without making those solutions any better. They will skewer bigotry on both sides, or let people be wounded or hypocritical or even ambivalent. A good writer also has to allow their heroes to be convincingly tempted and overcome that temptation. Xavier could turn the world's thinking upside down. But he doesn't, because he respects humankind as individuals, and will not treat them as less than peers. Or at least, that is the tension.

[@homelesshannah50]

The only hypocrites here are you bitches, you cry about "politics" but are perfectly OK with them as long as they fit YOUR narrative and agenda. Until someone from your group call you on it then you fake bitches hide behind code words like the chickenshits you truly are.

[@NStormRider]

@@homelesshannah50 I have no idea what you are talking about. Nothing I wrote aligns to anything political. It's a critique and criteria for good writing.

[@homelesshannah50]

FOH!! You WHINJED about one side having a perspective which is exactly what you hypocrites want. Anything that doesn't agree with white male conservatism seems to drive you whiny bitches bonkers. @@NStormRider

[@NStormRider]

@@homelesshannah50 What are you talking about? Did you read my comment at all? Why broadcast the racism and sexism? I didn't object to anyone, "having a perspective," I objected to writers failing to write perspectives other than their own favorite one.

[@homelesshannah50]

I did read it and I can't figure out what the HELL are you talking about! And no shit Sherlock most people view the world through their own arrogant lens. Like the people crying about "woke" every day. My point is regardless of Stan Lee's message or intent it doesn't change the fact that many whining about wokeness are just bratty, selfish assholes that refuse to let others play in "their" sandbox. @@NStormRider

[@stoopidpursun8140]

The difference is nuance. Modern writers have no concept of this word. None at all.

[@Grubnar]

It is like the difference between Star Trek, and nuTrek. Star Trek dealt with all the same issues ... but it did so much better.

[@gangofheroes]

Exactly

[@MagcargoMan]

Yeah, Captain Planet was so subtle...

[@stoopidpursun8140]

@@MagcargoMan Captain Planet IS modern in my view. The first of them, really.

[@Bolbi145]

In my opinion, some messages are so bad that no amount of nuance will help, they’re just bad messages

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

The Civil Rights Allegory or any other outcast allegory doesn't work at all beyond surface level. If we're to really think about it. 1. Mutants very much are a superior race. 2. It would make sense for an average human to be cautious or even afraid of mutants because these are people that cqn easily kill another human being. Pretty sure the Civil War arc was started by a mutant blowing up a small town fighting off upstart heroes. The only mutants we really see in the stories that aren't inherently dangerous are the Morlocks. They're largely disfigured.

[@pepita2437]

Yeah. There are mutants who have cosmic level powers. ;P

[@homelesshannah50]

Stan Lee said he based it off of that dumbass, try again

[@HeavyMetalJesus02]

@@homelesshannah50 and even if he did, it's still an awful allegory.

[@homelesshannah50]

Says you cause you, cause you assholes can't stand anything that points out any flaws of you oh-so-perfect people@@HeavyMetalJesus02

[@RandomisedUser42]

​@@homelesshannah50 Stan Lee didn't use the X-Men as a Civil Rights allegory. He didn't want to invent complex ways for how each character got their powers, so he just explained it away as all of them are mutants. This is literally explicitly stated in this video.

[@99thJediWarrior]

Hasn't Morph suffered enough?

[@kurtisdeakin]

Amen! Poor sod.

[@AClockworkHellcat]

All the people I've heard from are vastly less upset about Morph being nonbinary or whatever else and vastly more upset about all the female characters being redrawn into shapeless quasihumans.

[@pepita2437]

Also, it's not even that. If they could make an exceptionally good story even with Morph nonbinary, and the women uglified most of the fans would accept it (I would accept it) But I was burned too many times by woke writing to be able to have any good faith regarding this.

[@npcimknot958]

Woke and social commentary are NOT the same thing

[@animezilla4486]

They are different

[@UndeadNerdT800]

Agree.

[@lupisvolk2420]

Yet the right can't tell the difference.

[@RedDelSol]

Basically this... ☝️

[@qwefg3]

Woke and social commentary are about as similar as Fascism is to humanism.

[@SonOvLaw]

I've said this several times... There's a difference between weaving social issues into stories thematically, and flat out bashing the readers over the head with one's activism while the stories take a back seat. There's a reason, especially these days, why some people should write stories, and other should always just read them or sell them, and never the two shall collide.

[@kap1618]

Stop pretending like that's what people care about. If you actively refuse to see the blatantly bigotted sh*t these people say then your being willfully ignorant. Morph is such a side character I'm surprised anyone cares about him. As for the Mystique being Kurt's dad, that was something Chris Claremont always wanted to do.

[@zionleach3001]

​@@kap1618 Wait wasn't Nightcrawlers dad a demon? I always thought mystique was his mother. 🤷

[@kap1618]

@@zionleach3001 that was the idea they went with after Claremont's idea was shut down. But even back then the relationship between Destiny and Mystique was very implied. They were avoiding the Hays Code remember?

[@GundamWarrior1]

Woke is a concept that was born in late 2000's by narcissistic activists and power hunger individuals (a layered conversation). The X-Men and Star Trek were classical liberalism that appealed to many viewers. They allowed debate, discussion and showed the flaws of each argument. Characters were layered and given depth. As I stated on Thinking Critical's video The “X-Men/Star Trek were also woke” people are the definition of the stupid SpongeBob meme. The majority of things people are angry about is bring current year tropes into something that was never there to begin with. I don't care for anybody pushing nonsense on me. It's doesn't matter is it's a cross, Star of David, Star and crescent, or a rainbow flag.

[@Hyperslayer_X]

THANK YOU. Only comment on this godfarsaken video that actually makes sense.

[@pepita2437]

Loved your answer, I think it hit the nail on the head. X-men protected both humans, and mutants from each other. In the comics there was bigotry, hate from both side. I have 0 faith in Disney writers handling the whole X-men waith any kind of nunace.

[@homelesshannah50]

What a bunch of bullshit!! It was meant to be AWARE of crybaby, arrogant, RACIST bitches like you who turned it into something else. Cause you are too STUPID AND LAZY to separate different groups so you lump them all together. And don't want to rock the boat in your damn community cause you're too much of a bitch yourself to call out what your OWN damn people are doing. FOH!!

[@pepita2437]

@@homelesshannah50 Wow. Chill dude. ;P

[@MagcargoMan]

Lol, Star Trek triggered conservatards hard back in the day. They were trying to get TV stations to pull it off the air after that episode where Kirk kissed Uhura.

[@FlawedCoil82]

I am someone who was OBSESSED with the X-Men in the 90s. I bought my very first comic (“X-Men” #1, 1991) because I LOVED how the characters looked and I needed to learn more about them! I loved the uniforms, I loved their powers and the way they looked. I loved everything about them. When I discovered the show I watched it religiously! I know every episode, virtually every line by heart. Yet one aspect of this franchise I never cared about was them being “outcasts”. The most boring, uninteresting villains to me were ALWAYS humans, unless they had Sentinels with them and could actually pose a legitimate threat against (basically) gods. Yea, I got the obvious racial metaphors and Civil Rights analogies, but I NEVER entertained the idea that they were stand-ins for LGBTQ+ individuals as well. The first time that idea even sparked into my brain was when I saw “X2: X-Men United” when Bobby’s mom said “Have you ever tried….not being a mutant?!”. Honestly! That was the very first time I ever went “Ahhh…*NOW* I see where they are trying to go with this….” So clearly I missed these “”blindingly obvious”” signs over the 90s years, as they didn’t focus on the preachiness and disguised it with more subtlety under legitimate entertainment. I was there as an X-Men fanboy because I wanted to see amazing looking superheroes in incredibly eye-catching uniforms fighting against and using their fascinating powers against equally amazing looking supervillains using their own fascinating powers and seeing good triumph over evil in the most exciting ways. That’s it! Those were the magic ingredients! I can pretty much guarantee had they alluded to Cyclops making out with Wolverine (as many would undoubtedly want them to do) or else Morph trying to claim he was something other than what I could clearly see he was with my own two fully functioning eyes and brain, then yea…that would have repelled me even back then. And if they try getting anywhere near that aggressive in “X-Men ‘97” (or like portraying all of the Friends Of Humanity as one race with conspicuous red hats), it will be absolutely devastating to my love of the X-Men and confirm that I was gravely wrong in practically worshipping these SUPERHEROES growing up. People are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ungodly *SICK BEYOND F¥€{ING DEATH!!!!* of toxic, hyper-focused identity politics being aggressively crushed into our skulls by EVERY CONCEIVABLE FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT ESCAPISM, whether it be TV, social or news media, food, music, movies, sports, technology, religion, video games, crocheting, books, etc. EVERYONE delusionally believes they have this massively “important (insufferable) revelation or wisdom” to share (just look at the self-important woke-to-braindead numbskulls on TikTok) that we somehow haven’t been relentlessly bludgeoned over the skull with every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year already. We are CONSTANTLY gaslit by being told that “Diversity and inclusion makes us stronger!” or “Progressive policies are what will make the world a better place”, yet ALL WE CLEARLY SEE HAPPENING ALL AROUND US is that the world is, UNDENIABLY, becoming FAR more hateful, FAR more divided, FAR more chaotic, FAR more violent, FAR more deranged, FAR more segregated, FAR more confused, FAR more insane, FAR more uncivil and FAR more stupid than it *EVER* was before! This supposed “progressive utopia” is an absolute fairytale, and a total grifting lie in order to get “unwoke”, non-indoctrinated people adjusted to the fact that the “””powerless and oppressed””” are being given absolute control of E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G. to further spread their DEI propaganda and that “you better just shut your straight, white, male mouth and quietly let the Marxist agenda take complete and total control of EVERYTHING, bigot!” When I fell in love with the X-Men, I never once wanted to “see myself” in them. I correctly recognized that I am a drop of nobody in a vast ocean of nobodies. I didn’t see their skin color or their disability or their fears and think “I like this character because I have the same skin color or disability or fear”. If anything I was insanely jealous of these characters knowing that I could never in a million years be even 1% as awesome or cool as they were. I shared very little in common with any of the characters and I loved them regardless. I didn’t need Bishop to look like me, even though I find him to be one of the most fascinating X-characters due to his survival in the future. And I would be pissed if someone ever tried to change his sex or ethnicity, just as I would be pissed if someone tried to switch Cyclops to become gay or an Asian character. I mean I gave up on reading X-Men comics in the late 90s because I was disgusted by Marvel simply changing their uniforms and deliberately trying to distance themselves from the iconic looks Jim Lee blessed them with. Hell, my favorite color is blue and yet Rogue was always my favorite character; yes, the one character with the LEAST amount of blue in her entire look! But according to so many woke “activists” who are absolutely dead set on the flawed ideology that someone can/should only like characters who validates and represents them, I should only like characters who also like or display the color blue, just like me! That a gay individual *can not possibly* be capable of liking any show or property unless they are pandered to and see that a gay character is put in it. Or that a black individual *will never be able* to connect with any character of a differing race in a franchise unless they feature one or more characters who has the same shade of skin as they do. They treat “marginalized” people like they are powerless, voiceless, lost puppies who don’t know any better and aren’t capable of liking any franchise today unless their **ALL-IMPORTANT IDENTITY** is validated to them by “gracious and merciful” white, woke writers pandering to them. People are, rightly, very much over this relentless, mentally exhausting, creativity-destroying, hyper-focused DEI agenda now being cemented front and center of ANY and ALL forms of art and entertainment on Earth. So as soon as we notice the DEI tumor, we now expect the worst because we know that it will, inevitably, spread and grow.

[@lloydlandrum3040]

If you want X-men without the outcast scenario..I would Suggest ''my hero academia '' its basically X-men but if mutants was accepted and became the majority

[@murk4552]

Bro, chill. Jesus Christ, all this over not focusing on straight white Christian conservatives? When the X-Men have always celebrated diversity and being minorities? Yikes.😂

[@Achieme]

Stan lee himself never thought of the X-men being a metaphor of black or lgbtq folks. Magnetos origin was always a retcon people tend to forget

[@homelesshannah50]

He did say that stupid hence why they are called the X MEN asshole

[@Kitty255Again]

​@@homelesshannah50saw you in another thread talking about "petty shit" How ironic of you

[@RandomisedUser42]

​@@homelesshannah50 "that is why they are called the X-Men" This statement has nothing to do with the original poster's comment. Your entire conment doesn't even make sense. I see you in a lot of these comments calling people names. Ironic calling people who just leave comments with no ill intentions "assholes" while being the biggest one here.

[@CasualREDACTED]

​@@homelesshannah50decades after the fact

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

Breaking news: Akira Toriyama, creator of the DragonBall series and many others, passed away on March 1st. He was 68 years old. Rest in peace.

[@shadooku4427]

X-THEM !!!!!

[@logictotalwar1201]

Sorry for this guy He Means X-Then , who is A Chinese Guy That Does Workout Videos on KZbin

[@shadooku4427]

It's mam

[@ACEnBEAKY]

I think we also have to define "woke." Something that's casually left wing isn't woke. You can be far left and not woke. Woke is a religious personality disorder applied to leftism, whose puritanical authoritarianism doesn't realize it's actually useful for the elites. Some things were always left, albeit a lot of it was more subtle, nuanced, and higher quality. It also helped when it extended the occasional olive branch to it's opponent, humanizing them and giving them a bone. Some things that are populist or anti establishment are deemed as woke by the right or Maga by the left.

[@iwantgoals1566]

I can understand the fear that lazy idealistic writers are gonna kill off the back story of so many beloved characters and use them as self inserts for their extremely biased views of the world. After all, look at how Kathleen Kennedy has destroyed StarWars with her own self insert Rey Skywalker. That’s over 50 years of great story telling all written into a corner because a Karen had to make herself the center of attention yet again.

[@homelesshannah50]

Yeah dumbass cause we've NEVER seen Holyweird writers, directors and actors be political!! *Rolls eyes*

[@BradLad56]

There's quite a bit of difference between the politics of 1975 vs what's pushed today though and you know that.

[@pepita2437]

So true. Also the X-men protectd BOTH humans, and mutants form each other. They were a peackeeping units. You don't deserve protection if you don't agree with certain people nowdays. On the contrary, you deserve hate, and your career to be destroyed. Just as JK Rowling. I have 0 faith of the writers handling the story of the X-men with any kind of talent, and nuance.

[@toxicmail1482]

They weren't hated because they were different. They were hated because they were ticking time bombs and lots of people got hurt and killed because of their crazy powers.

[@pepita2437]

Marvel comics civil war started because a mutant blew up a whole city. ;P Agree with you on this one.

[@TheBigGMan123]

South Park did a Joke about this nonsense in "The Tale of Scrotie McBoogerballs"

[@themydnighthour]

The main difference between modern politics in our entertainment is basically now it's all IN YOUR FACE vs. it was part of the allegory. Why don't they understand this?

[@animezilla4486]

To be fair not every politics is in your face

[@SpaceandGoats]

It was still there. Its always been there.

[@themydnighthour]

@@SpaceandGoats it was there as allegory. That's the point.

[@CasualREDACTED]

​@@SpaceandGoatsallegory is like the color red. For some it's obvious. To others it's green.

[@yokaiou5848]

Making the X Men about race, makes racism make more sense. Mutants can replace baseline humanity.

[@saotomebuster]

"What about kirk as a baby?" What about that guy that randomly explodes like an atom bomb? Nah. Cut it out with these soft ball examples.

[@Bluesit32]

In fairness, that kid DID die.

[@crumb7192]

Saw this drop and just had to watch. Enjoy your videos when you cover the LOTR.

[@Chasingstarside]

I think the difference is as you stated in the video, "allegory" when the thing you're trying to do or say becomes so on the nose that it turns people off, that is the problem people are trying to articulate. I think 'modernizing' a piece of art or entertainment for modern audiences and changing things either art style or framing of how the narrative is written creates a break in the meta of the story or art, people are nostalgic over. You could make an argument for differences in adaptations and I've seen some over the BTAS continuation as a comparison but it is clear that their political intent is not the same as what original intent of the thing they were trying to create a continuation of is/was and Morph's change is just one of the more stark outside of how they're drawing Rogue now. Non-Binary did not exist when that show was created. People tend to react badly when sub-text becomes text and inherently changes the things they grew up with and usually not for the better of the art or entertainment. To slander entire groups because you disagree is no different than the people you're disagreeing with. I think the execution of allegories is another thing to consider, Mutants as a group are inherently dangerous because a lot of them fail to control their powers and end up harming people, even if you wanted to make a gun for mutant power argument as an example, it is inherently flawed because guns can already be controlled, half of the stories revolving around X-Men and why it is so flawed is if one group of people can blow buildings away with their mind, bad things will probably happen, either by accident or on purpose and it isn't crazy to want to control that. It would have been better from conception to have all of the powers be positive or beneficial if you wanted to show why demonizing minorities is bad or civil rights allegories or any other political issue of the day. The execution of post-Claremont politics has been badly done because the issues involved are so messy in how they were portrayed.

[@themixican4364]

I think we’re all screwed with the animation. It looks flat and lacks any real detail

[@claytondavidson6308]

Is it just me, but isn't making the shapeshifter non-binary the laziest possible thing they could do? Like, I'd rather they tried to do something actually creative.

[@meatbagspaai6370]

I feel like using the term "political" to describe "obnoxious preachy bullshit" has been the biggest blunder in messaging of modern history.

[@CursedKelpie]

mutants being dangerous is a fact of the story, if I told you that at any point in time a random teenager that was put under stress could spontaneously develop an ability ranging in strength from shooting glue out of their fingers to reality warping, I think any normal person would be concerned. what if little Timmy is getting bullied and randomly gains an ability similar to gambit where everything he touches is charged with energy and explodes, Timmy accidentally uses his power and ends up blowing up his school and killing people. Is the idea of a vaccine to stop kids from developing these abilities really that farfetched?

[@VoltitanDev]

Finally somebody mentions Lion man

[@paulpatrong5113]

So I feel like the worry is justified for 2 main reasons: 1. Yes i agree that adding in a non-binary character isnt the end of the world, it's perfectly fine to have diverse mindsets or characters in a story. BUT to everyone apprehensive I can't completely write them off as the last few years writers have added in their own politics that suffocate the story or themes of the art. This goes double since the X-Men are known to be political. If someone gets punched in the face everytime they walk around a corner you can blame them when they start to be scared of going around corners. 2. One if the writers for the show has been shown on social media to be very combative and highly sensitive about LGBTQIA+ topics to the point of unprofessional so hearing a character is being made non-binary simply because they are a shape shifter is a bit worrying. Still willing to give the show a fair shot but just wary is all.

[@stephenschneekloth1535]

It also takes place in the 90's, non-binary they/thems was not a thing in the 90's

[@animezilla4486]

I felt the same way

[@pepita2437]

Agree. I was burned by woke writing so many times that I acually can't trust anything that Disney puts out.

[@gjtrue]

"I rolled my eyes because it was silly." The *exact* same thing I did. 🙄

[@RivetCityRamsey]

Lol. We all did.

[@Avarn388]

Really good video JSG. I will admit; I was skeptical but you won me over. My take is that I don’t really care that the X men were political or in your video the story turned political. What I care about is the storytelling. You nailing how the recent X men arc have made them villains and stupid isolationists is exactly why the line has failed. When you combine that with crappy writing that happens to be political, it’s a recipe for disaster. X men could have fun adventures fighting bad guys. But it could also get serious, touching on racial issues but with excellently written characters to where you understand. It encouraged thinking but never in an insulting, demeaning way. Just on the level of looking past prejudices and seeing people for people. Something Magneto fails to see and is no better than the humans who persecuted him.

[@FlareGunDebate]

Deadpool: "Everybody calm down. The X-Men are here. A dated metaphor for racism in the '60s."

[@jeffthebaptist3602]

My issue with the subtext in X-men is this: Within standalone X-men properties like the films and tv shows, Mutants are typically the only superhumans. This means that using the subtext basically works because you have mutant superhumans and mundane non-supes. So you can do allegory stories and talk about institutional racism against the mutants, etc. And the subtext goes both ways, because you can also show Mutant groups marching around and shouting Homo Superior as an excuse to be racist fucks. It makes for pretty good storytelling. Within the Marvel Comics universe, the subtext is way overplayed. Mutant is just one origin for superhumans. You've got superscientists, supersoldiers, people changed by cosmic rays or radioactive spiderbites, aliens, gods, demons, and wizards just to name a few. Many of the classic X-men villains aren't Mutants either. Shadow King and Juggernaut are mystical/magical entities. Mr Sinister was given his powers by Apocalypse using celestial tech. In this setting, it makes no sense to single out mutants as something particularly special. It makes sense that they would see themselves as a group through their shared origin, but it makes no sense for the unpowered masses to single out Mutants for hatred. If a school randomly explodes it could have been a mutant losing control of their powers, or a kid summoning a demon in the basement, or a science nerd making a critical error while building an arc reactor in the physics lab. Why single out the mutants? The answer is that they're using the subtext like a crutch. Most of their storytelling makes no sense without it and it really doesn't make any sense within it because of the structure of the Marvel universe.

[@cmbjive]

It's a shame when My Hero Academia can tell a better mutant and superhero story simultaneously than Marvel and DC ever could.

[@akumanoshi]

There's a big difference between being intelligently political, and being arbitrarily, over the top political. Media in general, including comics, used to be better written and difficult issues were addressed intelligently, without insulting the audience.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

I just rewatched Days of Future Past. It is still the best

[@CasualREDACTED]

Somebody had to like it. I'm joking. Great movie. Much better then the other ones we got

[@silvermknight]

The X-men have always been progressive, but there is a fine line between progressive and woke. The great thing about the X-Men is that their metaphor can be applied to so many fans. The problem is when one group of fans wants to force out another group by claiming that "it is not for you so get out".

[@Groggle7141]

The politics were more subtle before. Also, why directly change the characters identity if the X gene was already an allegory?

[@rhoetusochten4211]

I think people get hung up on the wrong aspects. It isn't so much woke/progressive vs conservative, bit rather dominant culture vs counter culture. Back in the 60s and 70s, even 80s, the Xmen values were counter cultural, but now the stories and values they promote are dominant culture.

[@torva360]

There is also a difference between "being political" and "being woke." X-Men has been political for decades, but it has not necessarily been "woke" until recently.

[@merrick1588]

Who has ever read an X-Men and went "yeah, this is a politically neutral vibe..."

[@taejasper1343]

This shit has never been woke, bro! I'm telling you, Stan Lee never intended it to be woke in any way, shape or form! You're not seeing the point here, man!

[@Bolbi145]

@@taejasper1343to play the devil’s advocate, most superheroes are perfected by later writers down the line, like when Len Wein wrote Wolverine, his claws were part of his gloves, and he didn’t even have a healing factor, all the traits you know and love about Wolverine were added by Claremont, Smith, Hama, and Byrne.

[@Kitkat-986]

I'm not against art being political. Good art is inspired by reality, and politics tend to touch nearly everything in it. X-men was written by a man who saw first hand the horrors of the holocaust, and it's hard not to see the allusions to bigotry in his stories. Magneto for example was someone who saw the worst humanity had to offer and decided to return the favor. These silly stories about super-powered men and women in bright clothes always had a layer of authenticity to them because they dealt with surprisingly heavy subjects in an allegorical way. The problem is that modern writers don't really understand the nuance of these subjects and simply use these stories as a way to clumsily insert their own politics into a form of mass media. No American under the age of 30 today has experienced true bigotry the way that the men who wrote these characters have, and their attempts to fill in the gaps with gay rights and such falls short. Modern progressive politics acts like a civil rights movement, yet the supply of bigotry doesn't match the demand which is why woke stories ring hollow more often than not. Losing your family to a repressive regime is a very good reason to become a villain. Your parent's disappointment in you being gay isn't even in the same ballpark. Being gay or black is not a backstory, it is not a personality trait. It's utterly boring. Real characters need adversity, and the writers can't write what they have never known.

[@revolioclockman8090]

Don't care that Morph is trans, per se. But the sheer laziness of the idea clearly signals what these people care about. They don't care about characters, they don't care about story, they don't care about music, or animation, or worldbuilding. They care about checkboxes, and that's enough for me to pass on the whole show.

[@videohead5916]

Man, I'm glad mutants don't really exist. As much as I think having powers are cool, the idea that someone could just walk around with the power to explode themselves, is pretty terrifying. I think I'd want a registration for "weapon-izable" powers, kind of like a gun registry. I think the metaphor collapses of its own weight there.

[@scasimir1000]

I true believe my issue is that the fact they're going to take a beloved show using nostalgia to get people to watch it and then from there fix the show to what they believe was wrong with it in the first place. Perfect example He-Man they believe that show was flawed and they fixed it to make it better and people complaining that you took away the essence of what made the show great. Another example Lords of the Ring they believe they could fix the show to make it better and now we have black elves. My last example the Halo TV series where in the video games every person that played was Master Chief John 117, it didn't matter if your gender, your sex, your race, or your political views you were hero saving humanity from a species out in space. To now John has a face and that face gets upset when he sees golden retrievers and he feels something about them. Plus they put emotional dampening chips in your butt.

[@MIGBMWLOVER]

If its supposed to take place in 1997 , how can they use pronouns and modern sensibilities that was not there to begin with?

[@Lordpoison67]

The X-MEN done right could also serve as a stand-in for the 2nd amendment, "it's too 'dangerous' for a citizen to have any power that can 'threaten' "'our'" democracy.

[@LordOz3]

It's possible to have progressive messaging without it being "woke". The X-Men did it for decades. The difference (IMO) is that "woke" puts The Message before quality, merit, or entertainment. Back when Storm fought Cyclops for leadership of the X-Men and won, there was no hullabaloo about her being a woman, black, or disabled (at the time, she didn't have her powers - a solid allegory for a disabled mutant). If that story was done nowadays, odds are those factors would be front and center - the reader would have it rubbed in their face like a dog who pissed on the carpet. Odds are also likely the writing would suck. It would be panels and panels of people affirming Ororo and telling her how brave and great she was, as opposed to the original where we saw her use her skill and wits to beat Scott. But what do I... oh wait. That's already taken.

[@LordZandersSoapbox4811]

Back in ‘97 leftists political messaging was below the radar and mostly in the background but now it’s overt partisan propaganda and if the story and animation suck then I want nothing to do with this show

[@philippe-cb8wj]

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day". Nice one sir. I wish I could be as eloquent as you.

[@mc1993]

Kid, that saying is 50+ years old.

[@tur13l]

I believe most of the cries of woke is because they are retroactively changing characters or some of their background or whatever. Honestly if this series would have been called New-X men or X-men cyclone or X-Men Brotherhood or Something else most of the complaints and comparisons would be void. But the Creators specifically chose X-Men 97, because they wanted the both the brand loyalty, publicity and existing fan base. They then change the shit out of the original story or deviate from it and are surprised that it has blowback attached to it. And that is why people are pissid and or calling it woke and or whatever this or that. Honestly just changing the effing name and not saying anything about tying it to the X-men animated series would have saved them half the shit they are going through. I am calling it now, the original fans of x-men the animated series are going to hate this series, not watch it. People are going to say it was not made for you so fuck off. People fuck off, show gets cancelled after half a season or season 1. The creators and media commentators say it's all the fault of the fans, other people point from the corner and laugh.

[@lloydlandrum3040]

If memory serves right it got a season 2 approved before even on streaming... So I'd say season 2 and its canceled for the reasons you said

[@ThePagina18]

"Mutants in the Marvel Universe have always stood as a metaphor for the underclass, the outsiders; they represent the ultimate minority." - Chris Claremont, March 2003

[@marksunboxingzone]

The only thing is while mutants are a metaphor in the story, the story is about all humans against mutants, and I mean all humans, not just 'the straight white male'. I'm pretty sure in the real world the threat of people that can destroy buildings with eye lasers and people that can levitate tanks or cause violent weather and whatnot would cause fear and mistrust among a large group of humans, regardless of race, gender or political affiliation. If anything humanity would see people like Magneto and Apocalypse as a common enemy to band together against.

[@leviswranglers2813]

The way they choose to animate the show (so far, it could be just for the trailer) kills me, it looks like one of those mid-2000's motion comics.

[@elpsykongroo8308]

The problem is that it's no longer an allegory, it's just preaching and in your face. That's the main thing that pisses people about woke writing. People primarily get into fantasy stories for escapism, instead the are constantly bombarded with The Message with absolutely no subtlety and not even an attempt to make it entertaining. Ya X-men stories have been political for a long time but it was still escapist and entertaining. Instead of pick your favorite real world oppressed group the oppressed group was Mutants. Modern authors would just use Storm to talk about racism, but they took a better more creative approach by instead using characters like Nightcrawler or Marlocks. That's the difference between an allegory and in your face preaching, and also the difference between actual fantasy writers and audience hating activists.

[@pepita2437]

Also, woke stories are absolutley boring, and very very predictable. They can't write genuine characters, with individual flaws, weknesses, and strengths, because they see every character as 'representation' of a group (instead of an individual character). And they can't give them genuine flaws, because in their mindset that would reflect badly on the group the character represents. This is the resaon why most modern female characters end up as Mary Sues. Because women have to be empowered, and they can't be shown to be vulnerable, or weak, or even being wrong, or needing others, esp men. ;P Most of the times if there is a white male in their comics/movies/games, they are evil, or incomptent. And I would have no problem with this, but it makes the story very predictable. When they made a doormat out of Peter in the SPider-Man2 game, and made him gave up his identity as Spider man to make space for the new black Spider-Man I actually rolled my eyes, becuse I couldn't even imagine a more clishe moment as far as woke writing goes. XD

[@Bat-Twenty-Two]

Really, I think many people would have been okay if Morph was low-key promoted as being gay. That sort of representation was a 90s thing. But the "non-binary" promotion just wears on the nerves of those of us who are sick and tired of identity politics and dubious labeling with all the add-on letters of the LGB+ community. The kind of navel-gazing pretentious crap that separates fans of the 90s X-Men from the X-books decades later.

[@saloz9483]

I think some are freaking out is since they made one eye roll change it could lead into other changes. I'll give the show a shot but with how other legacy media has been treated I'm not holding my breath.

[@pepita2437]

I have no problem of Morph's gender being changed, if that's the only change they make, and they actually manage to write an exceptionally good story. But a lots of property turned to shit after woke people strated writing them (looking at you Star Wars, and MCU) And in all of the cases the warning signs were there. Changed gender of a legacy character, raceswap, bad dialogue in the trailers among other things. Woke ruined too many things, I have 0 faith left in these people.

[@shifflettartstudios2335]

Why does any of it have to have some modern connection to it? It's an otherworldly fantasy story. Modernity makes it boring.

[@jamesbaggett7223]

Dude the trouble is nuance! Yes the original X-Men were spotlighting the trouble with racism, bigotry etc. But the current writers completely lack nuance and self-insert their own narrative. They ignore canon lore and deem any issues the fans have as “problematic”. Another thing is they write characters sexualities in the as a personality trait when it works better as a secondary story element. Example: Northstar (Alpha Flight’s speedster) is a convoluted character who happens to be LGBT. I don’t need a confirmed ladies man character like Logan to suddenly like 🍆.

[@newtpondskipper]

I just miss that in Clairemont era comics we had real characters. We had Nightcrawler hiding behind a hologram so he could fit in. Then when he found the courage to walk without it it was an uplifting moment that he could confront the bigots who hated him but not by fighting them. The politics were there in comics but it wasn't a hammer in the face and a middle finger, well sometimes it was, but it was an well crafted story to mske people think. Those who haven't should read the mutant massacre story it was brutal to read. Now we have nothing approaching the author trying to bring light to issues, it's all crass and clumsy. Good shout out on the plant xmen arc, I tried reading it but it just was horrible.

[@Awakened_Mucacha]

The show going to be shit. I don't really care about any political side. I am just basing this off the consistency of reboots/remakes all being shit with very-very-very few exceptions to that. It has all the typical signs for it and if I'm wrong? Yay, but I doubt I will be.

[@alialmuhanna4938]

9:52 I get that, and yet one has to question why people hate Mutants but not other super-humans; it baffled me for quite a while.

[@miclang1436]

One point of disagreement is lumping leftist and progressive together. These are fundamentally different things and many issues today comes from this misinformation.

[@yoyoyiggityyo17]

WTF! I never thought in a million years that it will get this bad and they would be this dumb. You don't even have to know the whole fucking lore. You just need a very basic understanding of these characters powers. You do not ignite Wolverine's claws with Gambit's powers. You do not give king shark the ring of a dead Green Lantern. that ring should have flew back to oa Wolverine should have exploded. What the fuck is going on?

[@pepita2437]

And they keep screaming that: It is our universe we can do what we want! But at the same time, they sill not respect the lore of the continuity they work with. I understand that since Arkham verse is supposed to be different than comics DC, and the ring works differenty. But then stop pushing the Ivy/Harley since it have never happend in the Arkhamverse, only in the comics.

[@jpa616]

It's the whole trend of big companies making an existing series/character have a LGBT or racial identity and making that the whole identity sacrificing complex storytelling with their identity being part of a full developed person who could be a real person. If Cris Clermont made his run only about race relations X-Men would be less popular and unfortunately lately Marvel have proven it with most of their Comics not really moving copies

[@homelesshannah50]

Being black and being gay are NOT the same thing stupid ass.

[@oldmanshreda]

Were the X-Men stories political in nature? For as long as I can remember, yes. That is not why I lost interest in X-Men and comics in general. Less talented people using the characters in unrecognizable ways to shove messaging at me isn't the escapism I enjoyed from comics in my youth.

[@RobouteGuilliman-M41]

Looks like Chris Claremont is coming back. I dropped Marvel, long ago, and X-Men, especially when they got turned into racial supremacist villains, but I might be willing to give Claremont a chance.

[@numbermuncher1308]

The fuel of storytelling is conflict. The X-men's basic premise: "Random people can get superpowers" creates a substantial conflict which cannot be solved. Ordinary people need protection against the abuse of superpowers and protection against accidents with superpowers. What if people with psychcic powers manipulate people without sufficient mental defense? What if Cyclops just accidentally drops his glasses? Now it depends on the extent of the protection the government is enforcing. Extremist's solutions would be doing nothing and "trusting" mutants not to abuse their powers on one end and exterminating mutants on the other. Without fictional exaggeration, registration is a good middle ground solution, just like registering cars. If you do bad things with your car, the licence plate will bust you and if you remove it, you are rightfully suspicious. Of course a "Big Brother"-government can abuse licence plates and track you. In fiction you can set the balance between extremes like a slider bar, by distributing the amount of abuse to your desired outcome. In this case the portion of the mutants abusing their powers and the intensity of the abuse to portion of mutants behaving cooperatively and their suffering from undeserved control and suppression. Back to the car anology, most people drive OK most of the time, but to keep people with bad driving behaviours in check, licence plates and controls are universally accepted. To determine if X-men are drifting the change of the amount of justification given to each side would have to be evaluated. My personal view would be that registration is OK. Limiting freedom of movement, forcing suppressive drugs or surgery or even extermination is not. Of course authors are entitled to forward their balance, but if they go to far to one side it gets boring and their sales will suffer.

[@conradojavier7547]

It's like They outsource the Cartoon to Sweet Baby.

[@jravage77]

The 90s Xmen was center left, current day Xmen is FAR left/progressive, a.k.a woke. There's a massive difference.

[@MichaelEarnedIt-19]

I’m dead to Disney. Honestly I won’t give them a chance until Bob Iger and the board are gone but that probably won’t happen so screw you Disney.

[@lazyeclipse00]

I’m not a fan of changing the gender/ sexuality of established characters without taking the time to explore it organically. Tim Drake is a perfect example of it being done in a Jarring way where he broke up with his girlfriend ( who he has been with for decades) off panel and hooked up with a male in one issue. They could have taken time to explore Tim’s coming to a realization that he is Bi over a longer story. Iceman was reconned to be gay even tho we’ve seen his thoughts/attractions for over half a century. Then his charter became nothing but his sexuality. Morph is probably my favorite X-man and changing him to non-binary instead of creating a new nonbinary character will be jarring. Especially as the most popular version of Morph ( AoA, Exiles) identifies as male despite his form unless it’s for a joke. It would be like if they brought The Wire back and decided Omar Little was heterosexual the whole time , it would be jarring. For us that have read these characters thoughts for decades and have seen their internal monologues it doesn’t feel organic. It’s been done horribly in recent years and then is written as the character’s whole identity while ignoring the rich writing opportunities established. I hope they handle it competently in X-men 97 but I’m wary this is going to be Morph’s whole character now. I’ve seen it said that because he is a “ blob “ it makes sense he is nonbinary but that would support the idea of biology dictating gender. They recently confirmed Mystique as Nonbinary which honestly makes sense to me for other reasons. However are we saying the Odo ( deep space 9) and Plastic Man ( DC ) have to be betrayed as nonbinary because of their power set? We aren’t having real discussions about the way these franchises are being written that distorts them and Xen 97 is just reaping the concerns cultivated by the mishandling of so many legacy franchises over the last decade. Everyone that has an issue with these changes aren’t because they are bigoted. This is anecdotal but I see people having an issue with changing legacy characters not with including nonbinary characters. For the most part comics and scifi have been 30 years ahead of mainstream media in the “ woke “ department. There have been LGBTQ X-men characters and no one cares but if you took Northstar and decided to make him only interested in women for a tv show fans would question why. All that said I hope I’m wrong and the show is fantastic. I hope Morph being nonbinary is written well and it enhances the character/ story. I just don’t have faith in Disney’s story crafting abilities in react years.

[@wingsoffreedom3589]

That just creates the problem of bisexual creep as in if we allow slow cjanges to orientation over time then theu will change every character to bisexual because they can heck they made star lord bi just to piss off Chris pratt. Personally I don't accept any change to race gender or orientation also one not brought up often is hair color I would hate it as much if they made superman a blonde as if they made him bi.

[@mizu7662]

Realistically speaking, a shape shifter with free reign to change up any part of themselves could alter the part of the brain that determines things like identity and thereby actually make it a choice that allows them to be whatever they want. Want to turn into a woman without feeling gender dysphoria because of your male identity? Rewrite your thinking bits to be compatible with a female body. Need to turn into an animal and still want to be comfortable? Turn yourself into a furry.

[@animezilla4486]

Disney does have the potential to make good stories case in point if you ever watch the movie Elemental

[@stonekidman2306]

Time to bring back magnegro

[@plagueofjoe]

"Update for modern audience" is the phrase that pisses me off. I don't care if it's moderate, irrelevant, or what, the inclusion of the phrase to me is an admission that "We are of a mindset that is directly opposed to anything you might enjoy." I'm not going to rant about it online (unless you count an occasional irrelevant comment on a youtube channel like, like this one) I'm just not going to buy it, watch it, etc. I lose nothing from not watching a cartoon on disney+. I don't have a shortage of entertainment or more productive things to do. I think the anger online is often overstated. The what you do with mutant children debate actually is interesting though. A mutant powerful enough to destroy the world (many omega levels) is a risk. If enough of them are born the world ends. That's a simple numbers game. It only takes one, if Iceman wants to end the world the world ends, everyone freezes in an instant. That's true of several other mutants. Given enough time and enough mutants born one of them will kill everyone. That being said, would you sell their soul to end that threat? That could actually be interesting if handled by a talented writer.

[@christopherchadwick2659]

I love how one side of the political aisle is destroying creative media, But JSG can find it within himself to blame the other political aisle for complaining about it. SO, you know, both sides are to blame really.

[@SilverSidedSquirrel]

J-LO's untouchable ass LOOOOOOOOOOL

[@Swandog1343]

All I care about is good writing and it's funny hearing people try to use Claremont's run of X-Men to justify the terrible writing going on in The Age of Krakoa arc and claim that it's the same level of quality that his Uncanny X-Men or Grant Morrison's New X-Men were. Vita Ayala, Tini Howard, and Leah Williams simply can't write a good series.

[@danielberg5049]

Man. I love your stuff. Please keep making great content.

[@andylee6022]

Flavored politics is the problem. If you can obviously tell the era and group of it then that is the problem. Like you can tell it is hyper liberal 2023.

[@RivetCityRamsey]

There is no such thing as hyper liberal. What do you actually mean?

[@ottawamonsterpocalypse7729]

I liked the X-men back in the mid-80s. Some time in the late-80s to early-90s, a lot of american comics went dark on a level I didn't enjoy anymore. That being said, I don't think the X-men have always been "woke." "Woke" to me is a level of what I would call obsessive compulsive zealousness towards activist causes. All the "woke" people I know are A) very very white and B) extremely bigoted in their desire to pigeonhole various people who aren't them into specific blocks so being gay to the "woke" people I know isn't just sexuality, it's an all-encompassing singular defining feature. And boy do they get upset when a gay man doesn't act like how they think a gay man should. Or a black man how a black man should, etc, etc... So the X-men being "woke" would be that their only character trait was being a mutant, and everyone who didn't immediately heap social praise on them for being mutants would need to be excised from society via bullying and harassment in the name of preventing bullying and harassment. That's what "woke" X-men would be from my experience dealing with the self-proclaimed "woke" people. The old X-men once they got into the mutants seen as a threat phase were about striving for a better world of understanding where they wouldn't be judged just for superficial traits but rather the people they were. Were some of them dangerous, absolutely. I've worked in a pool store though and I can tell you that a lot of them don't measure up to the damage an ignorant person can do buying and stacking the wrong combo of chemicals in the back seat of his/her car at Walmart. Most of the mutant powers were cool, but not especially dangerous and it would be really easy to figure out who did what given how unique a lot of them were if any committed crimes. I realize that once the writers realized abuses like Magneto can pull the iron in a person's blood out of their body from X distance away, certain powers got potentially dangerous (and outright silly) but as I said before, I tuned out when they started going too dark for my liking. But yeah, back in my day the X-men were considered "left" although I was considered "left" back then and a lot of people call me "right" now for the same darn things I was called "left" for back in the day, so does that mean the X-men of my youth are considered "right" by the modern youth? Personally, I dislike this whole sports-team-fan approach to politics and everyone changing the meanings of the terms to suit their current fancy. My issue with modern morph is I find his modern character design to be too generic and kind of lazy. I understand his old design may have changed 6 or 7 times over the course of the old series (I only ever saw the first season so this is what I understand from the internet) but what I saw of him made him generally look like someone who had had a hard time and was being worn down by life. The new design looks like generic fantasy doppleganger in an X-men suit. If that's people's cup of tea though, more power to em.

[@dantereinhardt6911]

Like I always say. SUFFER NOT THE MUTANT TO LIVE.

[@jerm4950]

I think that the silliest complaint about this revival is that "they didn't make Rogue sexy like in the old show." I mean... like... did these guys even watched the show? I'm a gen z guy, I watched the original out of curiosity and Rogue isn´t that sexy. That still frame where she is on the floor and Apocalypse is standing in front of her is the only instance when her butt looks big. It's all an illusion!

[@pepita2437]

Makeing her 'not sexy', and making Morph nonbinary are not the fundamental problems here. Some pretty bad entertainment came out in the last years, where character's gender was changed, legacy characters were racewapped, and the writers were openly woke. Which ment they used poc, and other minority group as shildes when people tried to criticize their low quality works. (looking at you Rings of Power, Star Wars, or MCU) I have lost all faith in Disney, and have no goodwill left. Iwas burned by shitty woke writing too many time.

[@jerm4950]

@@pepita2437 I can agree with that take, I'm just pointing out that Rogue wasn't even that hot. :P

[@ironghost-ug2si]

Great take. I grew up with the X-Men being a diverse cast, and indeed their stories where allegories for civil rights politics. This to me, however, isn't woke. 'Wokeness' takes it further with hatred of white straight males, the introduction of leftist puritanism where women cannot be depicted as physically attractive because of the 'male gaze', and moral relativism which completely takes the 'hero' out of these superheroes. In addition, while the X-Men used to represent outcasts as a whole, they now almost exclusively represent lgbtq+ individuals. A clear example being the Hellfire Gala, an event directly translated from drag shows and other aspects associated with lgbtq+ culture. And this isn't just my imagination, as many proponents of this new direction state that "The X-Men Have Always Been Queer Superheroes, You Just Weren’t Paying Attention". Before, any minority or outcast could see their struggles in the X-Men, but now it's being explicitly stated that the metaphor is exclusively for queer people.

[@kylekillgannon]

This was a masterful sidestep to the heart of the matter. "I don't give a shit. Why does it look bad?" Is the best stance.

[@alexpaluck7219]

In truth, I just hate when there's no reason to change an origin for any other reason than to placate to modern PC culture, I have issues with modern starwars and, to an extent, warhammer 40k. I like a solid story with consistency. Modern PC or politics be damned, play to the audience that you know will by your product for the quality of the story, not the how far right or left your product is. But hey, what do I know? I'm just some fan.

[@mondu999]

Love the video, but you make one glaring mistake. Humans just don't hate mutants because they are different, they MUST also fear them because they have powers which make them SUPERIOR to 'normal' humans. Having a different skin color doesn't confer advantages, having super powers surely does. There is a pretty good chance if mutants actually existed they'd end up conquering all non-mutants. If I remember correctly, that's why the X-Men were formed.

[@jimmykawasaki833]

The first black superhero I remember was the Brown Hornet on Fat Albert.

[@Bluesit32]

I got really put off by Cal Dodd's voice. He really can't do the Wolverine voice anymore.

[@EsThirt33n]

Man, he was the definitive wolverine voice for me since I first watched the cartoons, other voice actors didn't sound right to me. If he lost his touch with the wolverine voice I'll be heavily dissapointed.

[@Bluesit32]

@@EsThirt33n It's tragic, but not unexpected. It has been a long time and it never sounded like an easy voice to do.

[@EsThirt33n]

@@Bluesit32 i would think the older he got the more authentic grittier voice would become more natural. Oh well. Anyways I still have my old dvds, trading cards and comics of the X-Men I grew up with that I can enjoy. And the capcom 2d fighting games.

[@Bluesit32]

@@EsThirt33n The games were where my thoughts immediately went to. Just not the voice who snarled, "Let's go, bub," at the start of every match anymore.

[@alexsandoval796]

The X-Men died the day they gave up heroism. The forcing of the team into identity politics is just salt in an old wound.

[@ChristianFrates1997]

I’m autistic and I find the X-Men relatable. But I don’t want to get preachy.