tHe TrUtTh AbOuT GoOgLe AnD cLéMeNt ( Ft. Clément ) |

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Go check out the vid on his channel! - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pHa0pJiAmJiYhas Get him the silver plaque and check mark!

[@dowskivisionmagicaloracle8593]

He seemed to avoid talking about SJW conformity as a factor in performance reviews and bonuses. James Damore found this out first hand.

[@thepro08]

cant understand how google is so great , that he even got a good job there so way above average or entry level and he left after only 2 years.... im sorry but staying in a job 2 years is not successful employment... tell that to my mom, my bank or to the father of my Gf..... these people just go to google to edge the google name to get investments and get their own company made by debt and made to sell...

[@clem]

Thanks for having me on the channel and telling tHe TrUtTh AbOuT GoOgLe AnD cLeMeNt Joshua! 😋

[@EJupkeep]

Yea the only truth I've discovered is that Clement backs up his claims of FAANG companies being great to work for.

[@avivshvitzky2459]

Dear Clement, you are very inspirational! I'm dreaming of financing myself through a SAAS like you. I want to build things with a passion, stuff that also generates passive income. I hope it won't take too many projects till I hit it off.

[@mindasb]

@@avivshvitzky2459 *SAAS

[@Ahmad-dt3xt]

@@mindasb Very reasonable and logical talk man, cheers

[@avivshvitzky2459]

@@mindasb my bad, typed quickly

[@ivanlagrossemoule]

The title should be "ex-Google CEO interviews ex-employee".

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Lmao

[@danb1285]

(as thousandaires)

[@SufianBabri]

@@danb1285 don't bring up Techlead memes here. 😂

[@ashutosh5515]

@@danb1285 roflmao

[@josuearreola9998]

JAJAJAJAJA

[@0thImpact]

This was dope, I'm glad you interviewed him and not some of the more unsavory characters who keep getting advertised to me

[@jaysondemarco]

Kyle Lloyd 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 leave my boy techlead and Joma alone

[@josuearreola9998]

SO YoU WaNnA bEcOme a Js DeVelOPer, Here is a LiSt oF faCts: Bla bla bla ThAtS It

[@Fernarav]

How to pump a shitcoin and do a rug pull (as a millionaire)

[@coder4life]

You guys seem very different but interesting that you came together for this collab.

[@rrraewr]

Peer assessment of your work for your company grade sounds a lot like a haven for backstabbing

[@avgmean4187]

What I've heard from xooglers is: peer assessment makes immediate bosses and team leads downplay the work of possible in-team contenders, which basically means you either become good at bootlicking, or hope to win over the rest of the team just enough to coup detat the guy . Both scenarios are tremendously unhealthy for critical thinkers, create toxic environments, etc.

[@chrischristopher7102]

@@avgmean4187 well,, what you heard is BS, thats not how it works.

[@avgmean4187]

@@chrischristopher7102 We'll I know it won't always be the case. However, I can certainly understand their point, as someone talented could easily be pidgeonholed by Google's flavor of performance reviews (in the end they are xooglers and not googlers anymore). Because your own kpis stem from team objectives, and these are built around the Team Lead Objectives (a biased Cascade of broader objectives) good performance is basically a matter of luck. Either your lead is good and everything's nice and dandy, or you have one of the other who wants you to agree with them on everything and you'll have to overwork ur ass off so you can hit both, the dumb objectives and the actual (tacit) objectives.

[@avgmean4187]

@@chrischristopher7102 btw I'm not hating on Google, I'm just pointing out what I believe to be some inconsistencies. Google's great, but not perfect. It is healthy to encourage discussion, so we can call out that which is good from the not so good stuff. My guess is this is supposed to enhance team co op. So in order to understand how good it really is, we should listen to the people who perform poorly and their views on the system.

[@jangtheconqueror]

idk I feel like it'd also be easy to just have an agreement to all just evaluate each other well, and then if one person backstabs then the company will know that that person shouldn't be working there.

[@lorettagriego8878]

It's strange to me how slow of a transformation process it's been in the US to change our working culture. Studies have shown time and time again that people work harder and are more productive when given flexibility. I love working from home. I don't like the distractions of office life. I will produce more and be more available to others when I have some distance. I don't wanna have lunch w you. I don't wanna do cringy company things. I just wanna get the project done and have my own life. Does that mean I don't get along w others and don't have the capacity to work in groups? Of course not. It just means I have different goals in life that don't revolve around work and I don't wanna be forced into your box. It boggles my mind how so many people defend constrictive corporate policies and live never ending lives stuck in the grind. At some point, a person should desire a better solution for their lifestyle.

[@Account.for.Comment]

Rigid discipline ruin productivity is what creative people knew for decades. Steve Jobs understood this in calliography class and Apple are succussful because of it. The work culture did change but toward the opoosite direction. Instead of flexible scheduls based on trust and ability, it changed toward digital micro-managers with useless buzzwords. Check out David Graeber books. He never worked in the private sectors but he wrote history books based on asking actual people experience. "Bullshit Jobs" and "The Utopia of Rules" gave great insights or at least to me some confirmation dopamine. Short version: the increase in bullshit jobs bring forth the decrease in everything else.

[@SimGunther]

It's a slow track for progress in most aspects of US living indeed. That's what we get for neoliberalism. Businesses doing the bare minimum to give bare bone services. As more and more "publicized" services get privatized, the national debt grows and we find ourselves in the same quandaries while the government gets paid by corporations to make our lives worse.

[@shortty7618]

Facts

[@lorettagriego8878]

@@Account.for.Comment I believe you've identified the best word, "trust". Unfortunately, there's a loophole in every system and there's always some jerk who tries to take advantage of it. In turn, companies attempt to protect themselves from malingering employees. Instead of having a strict no tolerance policy when it comes to integrity and breaking trust, managers are forced to use other systems to keep it all in line. Integrity is a rare value these days and the lack of it has ruined a lot for most people. I live by few rules in life, but one of them is to always do the right thing, no matter how much it hurts. Takes a lot of discipline.

[@epilpstd1]

@@SimGunther living in a country where for the first time a little "neoliberalism" is being introduced, I find your comment interesting. Social democracy doesn't seem to work well in US sized countries, only in small ones. I lived and worked in the states for a few years and It's not perfect but so much better than most. Any government is terrible manager and should stick to basic services. The US is an incredible place as far a work is concerned, this includes even low level jobs.

[@young9534]

Clement seems more chill than most coding KZbinrs.

[@ProgramWithErik]

Josh’s click bait titles are on point ! Teach me sensei! In all seriousness good interview. Working at a FAANG company has its perks, is what I got out of this.

[@mrappu2884]

good channel man

[@PaulDo]

Really awesome collab Joshua - starting off the new decade strong

[@FrankPapadakis]

I just want 140k a year, WFH 100%, and 40 hour weeks. I'm a simple man.

[@coconutjuice7777777]

Work for microsoft.

[@andyd568]

I love Clement's reaction to the corporate cringe question - an extremely awkward laugh. Great interview. Clement seems quite genuine.

[@xordux7]

KingArthurVIII very genuine. I have always seen him stating blunt truth, love him or hate him. Once he mocked PHP language a lot in one video, I thought he was being sarcastic, but later found that he was dead serious 😂

[@razorswc]

Thanks for doing the interview. I've thought about applying for FAANG companies, but I'm hesitant because of the intense interview process with algorithms. I'm not good at whiteboard programming. I have a bad memory when it comes to syntax and libraries available for a given language because at my current job I'm either jumping between languages a lot, or I have long breaks between using a given language. It has hindered my abilities a little.

[@jastat]

wow, 11am - 8pm. I used to work 7:00am to 8pm every work day plus some sundays as a programmer in an investment bank. My bonus was 150% cash though. So can't complain too much. I don't bother with that anymore

[@mokroargra7277]

The two of you should do more videos. You guys are my favorites. Josh you talk about all the small business and real life of these small shops and Mike talks about big companies. I have now seen both sides of this coin and can relate to the content so much. Keep it up.

[@chrise1004]

It's weird to me for him to say he worked late, which for me connotates working long hours. If he was going into the office at 11 and leaving at 8 or 9, I don't consider that working late. That's working an 8 hour shift with time for meals/breaks factored in.

[@ThatBigGuyAl]

My review would say, "Needs to be fired."

[@icebboylol8822]

Mine: "Someone fire him already pleeeease"

[@nerdiloo9863]

Additional descriptors should be: - "Needs to be fired ... TWICE" - "To the incinerator"

[@simplymincy]

I totally agree with that working in the office versus virtual. I worked virtual at this other company for 2 years and I didn't learn much. I work now at a company that's only virtual on fridays and I've learn more in a year than I've done at any other job. It really depends on the team tho and your personality. But if it's the right fit, you really can't wait to get to work to learn more because it's not really for the companies benefit anymore. You start to see how rapidly you're growing as an engineer and software developer in general. Having said all that, it's not for everyone

[@TheCoreyWolfe]

You guys are like two different sides of a coin haha

[@bitehunter122]

I love the dynamic between you and Clément! Excellent video! Happy New Year!

[@mahmud-ahsan]

Nice conversation. Thank you for bringing this out. To enter this kind of company one has to do hard work, like practising data structure, algorithms, solving many problems to figure it out during the whiteboard coding interview. It would be great to know when someone works as an engineer in this type of company how much these problem-solving skills helps. Normally in enterprise companies, we mostly use a framework, libraries to solve the business problem. How much it differs?

[@eb3433]

Awesome follow-up; direct dealing and clearing any misconception.

[@ninab8187]

i really like the open dialogue and this exchange of perspectives that u open up! i think being able to listen to many viewpoints and have a good conversations like this one really help others pick their career path that best suits them

[@CardinalHijack]

Really like Clement, but I feel like he kinda is a prime example of someone who would be partaking in corporate cringe lol. Or at least going with the flow in order to get a good rating.

[@conoroflanagan2908]

Like the kind of guy that would float out into space pretty easily.

[@amynguy]

he is a comformist

[@mrgatekeeper2508]

You destroy your enimies when you make them friends

[@KiingCam96]

starshipeleven that flew way over your head

[@clodicious]

Some people don't want to be your friend.

[@SilentWatcher000]

I watched both Clement and Josh, I think this was a more interesting perspective. Great work Josh!

[@naythaniel]

I'm not sure it's actually possible to evaluate whether the company you work for has a positive work/life balance unless you've worked at other companies with vastly different types of work/life balance. For instance, I've worked at companies where it was common for people to work overtime (more than 8 hours a day) although it wasn't "required". But I currently work at a place where it's very uncommon for anyone to work overtime and we get and regularly use 2 work from home (or wherever else) days every week. Younger people (read '20 somethings with their first or second tech job') often think good work/life balance is all about the hours you're absolutely forced to work. But it's really the hours you're encouraged to work by how the company functions.

[@Rachman01]

Awesome to see two of the realest figures in tech colab. Thank you.

[@gallaxyquest]

Very insightful. Much enjoyed

[@morganseppy5180]

Lol a silly ad popped up right after the question about "did you see corporate cringe?"

[@TerrenceLP]

This whole interview was about corporations and their hurding techniques, doesn't matter if you're a genius they'll find a way to put their thumb on you hold you down. I go rogue when I used to work in big corporations taking advantage of the lack of organization and dysfunction that you find in almost every organization I could go sometimes three weeks without even caring and nobody knew. Webmaster who's on it!

[@soundember1990]

This was a really good interview. Thanks for posting this.

[@vohomusic]

Totally agree with Clément about that weird "face to face" aspect. Meeting someone in person tricks their brain or something, I guess. We went overseas just for a few meetings, but afterwards, the remote team was much more responsive, and the project really went smoother. But I agree that this is something that is hard to quantify and should not be the primary reason to justify the 9-5 office work somewhere downtown.

[@Thunderstrike10]

aw yeah. startin off the new year strong

[@sipocharles9180]

Super cool and constructive. Zero fluff in this video. Like button smashed! 👊🏿💥

[@asdf9C]

honestly, didn't like you at first Joshua, but this was a really good interview. Thanks for the good work. Every software dev asks these questions; it is great you are getting to the root of the issue. Not sure we are at the root yet, but good job.

[@julielong6936]

What you described is sooo true and I feel like my work life has been described completely..

[@thecrystalhaze]

Josh, did most of the companies you worked for and interviewed with have you do data structures and algo problems? I'm really hoping I can land a job without doing leet code...

[@JoshuaFluke1]

The jobs I got didn't.

[@KennethNg0]

I agree that it's personal opinion. Some people just do not value the extra perks and benefits that do not matter to them while some do. This might just be me but I wouldn't say there's something not quantifiable there when working in an office. I find there are times where bringing your laptop and/or other devices to someone and working together to solve a common problem is more efficient than having remote presentations though most times I do find that just sending me a message would be sufficient.

[@stemmarcornelissen9005]

Love this man, it was really awesome watching two people I follow interview each other please do more of this if possible

[@codezero6023]

Good! it is important people understand the benefits and trade offs of each work situation and choose what is best for you. I couldn’t work for Apple because I needed work remote. It took me years to get that opportunity. Of course, remote work has gained more traction in these days.

[@tommyshaw2420]

Awesome collab, I was hoping you were going to go this way and not start kissing techleads ass

[@vintprox]

"double smash dislike button" ahahahhaha, nice trick xD

[@henrysyvertsen8194]

I'm leaving a comment for the algorithm, thank you.

[@ToThoseWhoVanished]

I am liking for the same reason

[@naswinger]

great interview, thanks

[@jacobdavis2178]

Not going to lie here, I watch both of your content, but I watch more of Clements channel. Sometimes Josh comes off like a crybaby which is hard to watch sometimes, but has some good content here and there. Clement gives a neutral approach on information I need and I enjoy watching his videos. But damn Josh, you gave a pretty damn good interview! You asked all the right questions which got him to spill more than he does on his channel. I would love to see more!

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Crybaby is just a meme man. I laugh like everyone else. I'm just not employee material

[@jacobdavis2178]

@@JoshuaFluke1 I know man, and it got you a pretty good following. It's just for me.. you hit a certain note in every video where I have to just look away till it's over... Like Clements card tricks. Great info tho!

[@robertodiaz5153]

Genuine conversation.

[@theemperiumofkek1362]

You say "Don't limit yourself", but is it really possible fr a self-taught programmer to get into robotics, or anything beyond web or games? do you know anyone like that?

[@1ycx]

It takes a lot of time. You need to first study the relevant basics to make up the foundation.

[@1ycx]

Without a CS degree, it should be very hard. If you are very pumped up, i think its possible to study the subjects.

[@felipelourenco8054]

Robotics means you'll have to learn mechanic also (cinematic, dynamic, strentgh of materials, i.e, basic M. Engineering)

[@theemperiumofkek1362]

@@felipelourenco8054 Mechanics, as a programmer?

[@1ycx]

@@theemperiumofkek1362 Mechanics as a mechanic as well as a programmer. Btw if you are into robotics, the mechanical part and the programming work would most probably be handled by seperate people knowledgeable in their domains.

[@xdonvito]

Long live "The Tech Lead." Why is my comment getting repeated multiple times?

[@threeone6012]

Clément is such a likable guy.

[@harwinderthakur9708]

I think if you are just looking to settle and have a job in software field in all your life. Basically If you do not think about building your own business or maybe doing something which allows to have the freedom of how you gonna do things and manage your time how you want it like Clement mentioned if you do not have any entrepreneurial aspirations. Then I think getting into these big tech companies is the best you can get as they respect your skills by compensating way more money than regular tech companies.

[@codingnoob5946]

Cool, now the real question... when you gonna release AlgoElite Josh?

[@valdius85]

Good job. I'd like to see you both in one location, it might be less stiff. ;) Josh: please start understanding that not all jobs are 100% remote. Some things require face to face interactions. There are upsides to the chaos of that environment. Obviously within reasons. I'm obviously very confused about recent G. moral stands, but as a company, there are one of the best in the world. Either that or Microsoft and Apple are just too outdated to innovate :)

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Not all jobs are, I understand that, not even most are. There is nothing that requires face to face as a software dev, 99.999% of the time.

[@valdius85]

@@JoshuaFluke1 there is more than just software that software companies do. For just developing work I'd agree. Btw: flex/remote work is one of my requirements as well. We have the same opinion about most things. I am just not as 99% :) Remember: I like your channel. You're cool guy. :)

[@georgesmith9178]

Thanks Josh. Sounds like working is doable, even for a family man like me :). I would probably not go at 11 am but I would definitely not put my feet on the ground before 9:30 am :)

[@johnnguyen8065]

Happy 2020 Josh! Awesome video Bro! 2 Amazing Software Engineers Teaming Up to make a great video is Epic. I really hope you get somewhere that makes you happy Josh. You videos are great and they teach me a lot of cool stuff. Almost to 200k subscribers

[@leoncampa]

By far one of the most educational videos I had regarding FAANG work.

[@zerosandones7547]

Just professional! WOW!

[@computervisiondev]

lol Joshua: "Did they MAKE YOU meet the team?"

[@alexlago2293]

Very interesting to see how different people think. I side with Josh wholeheartedly but also support people like Clement to do their own thing. The only issue I have is restricting resources from people and making their lives harder because they don't agree with your concept of a good life. Itd be best if we were all tolerant.

[@watcbd]

Another great video, thanks for all the amazing content.

[@lesolstice_3465]

Thanks Josh !

[@josephwong2832]

Glad you two did a colab

[@yonatandaniyel5640]

Good interview.. I like both of your channels... Clement has some good material.. As well as his friend, the infamous Tech Lead guy.

[@Dmorator]

This is great stuff, thank you both, my best to you!

[@neu2545]

I work at a private company now after working 4+ years for bigger public companies, and boy am I scared about going back to work for bigger companies. No, I don’t have a programming job yet, it’s in the health field for anyone wondering

[@thedeathstar420]

Are you going to release the full interview?

[@ORIGINALwhatnow]

Me sees title 🤦. Here we go again. Clicks on video to hear the roast because I am 💯 percent sure this will be a call out/roast video. Now let's go watch the video.

[@ORIGINALwhatnow]

Ok. I was wrong. It's an interview video.

[@stayaway7357]

Sounds like an amazing job tbh lol

[@ovidiuzakarias678]

Clement looks and talks like a 200 IQ chess player

[@fullstackmarketing247]

Awesome interview questions

[@meevc4319]

Love this video you guys are like night and day.

[@adnanafulay3142]

Boy i just started following both of you guys like a week ago and here are you both in a video together, couldnt have asked for more, keep it up guys :)

[@akkshayganesh1136]

2 of my favorite developtubers collabing❤️

[@vivek.80807]

great content

[@JohnVandivier]

Video title I thought you were going to bash on the guy, but this was super chill. Very glad I watched

[@mirellawentz4688]

Nice transparent clip ,thumbs up 👍

[@duran9664]

Remote work is amazing, but dangerous to overall economy. Just imagine if corporations get even more free reign to do that? They will open the gate to hire people remotely from outside California, or even outside the US, which will decimate local businesses.

[@cloud5887]

exactly right!

[@Fanaz10]

so who's stopping them from doing that right now?

[@litedeveloper]

senior coders should be paid at 3k min I don't believe coders understand the purpose of the Bootcamp framework movement to monetise developers - trad workers make 100/hr programmers are all sweatshop workers im out ive been doing it for 25 years and its now become embarrassing for me to say I'm a programmer

[@poplionandrew5803]

4 diamonds in 1 big diamond, wow!

[@toomuchtruth]

Spend 2 years learning algorithms & you too can get a job at Big Tech & help build the worldwide mass surveillance system.

[@rajesht9702]

@Joshua Fluke, Thanks for making this Video.

[@Morten746]

Personally I have to say that from my own experience, I also find that collaboration is a lot more effective and easier face to face in person, but if you just need to bang out code and you can effectively do so from home, then I don’t see a problem in doing so.

[@creshiell]

There's a lot of research being put into how to replicate the human factor, that face to face creates that boost output, in remote office places. I hate almost all of it but my BF said that forcing his co-workers to open up emotionally helps him catch issues that he probably would have been able to from observing body language

[@JenPurple2022]

They clearly have different background and experience, just like kids from different family social class. But they are the same kind curious.

[@xordux7]

Yeah! Josh has dark background while Clément has bright

[@PeterHas]

Why are you wearing your headphones backward?

[@moebs1062]

Nice spirit guys!

[@MrMalthenius]

Pretty grounded for the most part. Was hoping for more of Clement's honest opinion. I could tell he had to restrain and watch what he said carefully a few times, but that's the world I guess.

[@aaxk]

thanks for this video collab

[@WitchLuw]

Do a video on the Cod Devs

[@Kai-en2xs]

What about the tax from that type of income? whats the percentage. Whats the real salary after tax

[@JoshuaFluke1]

I have a video in the works on this, but at 122k in Silicon Valley, take home pay after tax is 5.8k with average housing costs around 4.2k now add all your bills.

[@Kai-en2xs]

@@JoshuaFluke1 Oh wow, that is a lot for housing. You really need a roommate or 2 to keep cost down or just rent a room i think.

[@kiprasmel]

@@JoshuaFluke1 would really appreciate a video about this!

[@danilojen2144]

@@Kai-en2xs or you can live in your car. :)

[@Spudinske]

@@ziwer1 maybe he means monthly?

[@DarshitParmar]

Goes to office at 11 and leaves at 8 with gym and dinner. Thats not late. That's India's official working hours in IT.

[@chrispeng5502]

I like how Clement felt reluctant to mention he worked "late" until 8 to 9 pm when he arriaved at the office 11 am, dinner and gym included. If this was that American consider workholic, how about this: 8 am at work, 9 pm left work, for almost every day, weekend included, without single paid day off or bonus. And I am the "lazy" group. My collegues can work from 9pm to 3am every single day. My boss brags that he sleeps only two hours every day. I dare you to come to my country.

[@yowadup1000]

they are like ying and yang, its pretty cool

[@N0biKn0bi]

lol, first of all, I know both of your channels. But I just saw Joshuas video on this and I didn't know that you were a mechanical engineer :o Guess what, I'm a mechanical engineer aswell, I quit my job 3.5 years ago to study Computer Science. Guess what, I graduate in 2 Month from now! Crazy to see someone having this background too, since most people I talk to see my way as a 180° turn.

[@luisfcocontreras]

This video was really cool, you two should do more stuff together :-)

[@ThePrimeMinisterOfTheBlock]

I care not that you interviewed him, I do not care for his content. By choosing to work for the evil empire, he has abandoned his humanity

[@citydweller99]

He actually founded his own company now...I think

[@piyushmajgawali1611]

Expected to exceed expectations 😶

[@clodicious]

I double-smashed the Like button and it ended up unliked.

[@JoshuaFluke1]

Ok

[@clodicious]

@@JoshuaFluke1 I double-smashed the like button to your reply and it's gray again. :(

[@aresstavropoulos916]

to be honest, i think i agree with some of your points about how corrupt companies are, but i also think that you have a really large stigma against it just because of past experience that’s just so negative and unhealthy. not throwing any shade or anything

[@JoshuaFluke1]

I'm 100% negative because every company I had was garbage. All 6 of them.

[@aresstavropoulos916]

Joshua Fluke so do you think that if you had worked at a more stable, less corrupt company that you would have had a positive or at least neutral opinion about big companies work environments or do you think you’ve always have this eerie kind of I’m just a small piece of their big puzzle kind of sense about big companies work environment?

[@JoshuaFluke1]

@@aresstavropoulos916 I was never happy building boring apps for someone else. But I think I'd be less jaded. That's my mission, so people dont end up like me.

[@uknow2908]

"It's the first video of 2020. We have so many plans..." *sudden electric flashes of time travel* JOSH! LISTEN TO ME NOW!!! IT'S CORONAVIRUS!!! SOCIAL DISTANCING IS THE KEY!

[@uknow2908]

AM I TOO SOON? AAH TO SOON

[@PerpetualEducation]

Great questions!