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[@SKBottom]

The old man used to always tell me that being afraid to talk about money was a great way to not have any.

[@sherrattpemberton6089]

true that. money does like to be seduced

[@princessmarlena1359]

He’s not wrong.

[@mjdedge3440]

haha So true. I find I'm always the one to bring money into the conversation in an interview. The employers always beat around the bush; I put it like "So let's talk about the pay because there's not much point going any further if it's not what I'm aiming for" LOL

[@dominiquedevereux7205]

@@mjdedge3440 EXACTLY. Then they call talking about $ "unprofessional 🤨🙄" . . . But they wanna be ALL UP in your business and ask you every question under-the-sun ☀️. Last time I ✔, I wasn't running a charity. And even charities make TONS of 💵.

[@hsharma3933]

Old man is/was smart then.

[@halostryke]

you are never paid what you are worth, you are paid what you negotiated!

[@sergiemotiev1817]

It has its pluses too

[@lesolstice_3465]

yet every trick in the book is played to remove the negotiating power from the proletariat

[@ww1flyingace263]

A good business manager would pay you what you're worth because they don't want to lose you.

[@maxine3978]

@@lesolstice_3465 The Breadpill is free to take and use

[@bubblebreak4160]

Zar TheMad Hahaha haha you child

[@alexarzamendi9475]

I work as an advanced practice nurse practitioner making 140K in a medium sized-city in Texas. I started nursing making 60K 8 years ago, never stayed with a company more than 2 years, and always left for hospitals that offered better pay. I had hospital admin ask me to stay for the "patients, friends and staff" because they could not afford to pay me another raise. I had a new job within 2 weeks with a 10% salary increase - it took them nearly 2 years to fill the position I left behind. Those "friends, staff, and patients" don't contribute a single thing to my salary and they do not pay my bills - no thank you. Do not blindly think your organization cares about you, know your worth, and leave for the organizations that can afford to pay you what you are *really* worth.

[@nerychristian]

So true. It's all bulshit. I'm pretty sure your old job could afford to pay you more. They just didn't want to. For some reason supervisors and managers like to act as if the money was coming out of their own pockets. They are selfish and shortsighted.

[@dougdier3104]

@@nerychristian yes it is coming out of their pocket supervisors and managers get paid a big bonus for keeping under budget which includes handing out raises,, that's why it seems that way

[@takilove3566]

Really well said

[@nerychristian]

@@dougdier3104 Not when it's a government job. This happens even in the public sector. I have experienced managers always making it difficult for people to get raises.

[@denismefaev3983]

What about the TEAM? 😂 At my work they use it at every second sentence- a propaganda machine.

[@realchrishawkes]

Best time to leave... right after bonus

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

Chris Hawkes At Apple they would always try to lay people off just before bonus time.

[@MStoica]

@@tenminutetokyo2643 but if you're not one of the lay-offs, and planned to leave, leave after the bonus 😁😁

[@AR-Richard1]

@ten minute Tokyo 2 why tho

[@husher5142]

@@tenminutetokyo2643 check your contracts because pretty sure they still have to pay out the bonus

[@TusharGogna]

My old company had a policy in which we couldn't leave for few months after getting a big bonus or an appraisal.

[@PhilcoCup]

I once asked my manager for a raise (since I already had a better offer in my inbox anyway), I knew he would say no because I asked for a 50% increase, but I wanted to give him a try. Anyway, he said no, I quit, got +70% on my next position anyway

[@ca8824]

Why didn't you explicitly tell him he needed to outbid the other offer? It might not have worked all the same but you had nothing to lose.

[@simonahmed7961]

C A because the minute you announce that there’s another company that will hire you, they’ll keep you around for a few months and then axe you as soon as they can replace you

[@ca8824]

@@simonahmed7961 I see your point. I don't think that would nessecarily happen but I can see why one might make that calculation.

[@simonahmed7961]

@@ca8824 there are dozens and dozens of experiences of people who say they got a better job offer and then they match the offer enough to where they keep you. then couple of months later the person gets fired and replaced. so logically its almost always better to just run with the better job offer

[@HFilip11]

@@ca8824 They'll keep you around for enough to train your replacement. Then you get sacked.

[@juanrocha8544]

I am an engineer and have switched jobs 3 times in 9 years and have almost doubled my salary since job #1. You’re spot on.

[@jamesmiller2521]

9:33 corporate logic: underpay loyal and experienced employees is good, and when an employee seeks better conditions it's "job hopping" and bad

[@SixCoreSecond]

duh, it's called "business"...

[@rexxthunder]

I had a company demand that I be loyal to them even before I knew them. Got chastised for interviewing with a different company a few days after I had accepted the position with them. I wasn't set to work for a few weeks. It was a fluke and I figured I'd follow up to see if it was a better offer. They found out about it somehow and yelled at me. They ended up being total assholes to work for and I quit shortly after.

[@ZodiacEntertainment2]

@@rexxthunder That would have been such a massive red flag to me. I would have declined the offer unless I was desperate. If they treat you like trash before you've been hired I can't imagine how rough it was to work there!

[@Mmoselle1983]

@@SixCoreSecond it’s called greed. Nice try though

[@SixCoreSecond]

@@Mmoselle1983 that's what I said, "business" is essentially greed without morals

[@BarrySlisk]

I worked for 13 years at my last job. The last 5 years I got no pay raise. I switched jobs and got 30% more. It's a shame that it has to be that way.

[@wonder777warrior6]

If they really valued you than they’d raise your salary.

[@BarrySlisk]

@@wonder777warrior6 If they think they can get me for less why pay more? But in a sense you are right. They started to hire pretty much only noobs and seniors got no raises or were fired or ended up leaving. Of course when noobs handled big clients, clients terminated their contracts and now the company is in trouble. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

[@wonder777warrior6]

@@BarrySlisk I’m going to send my resignation Monday. AMC to the moon! Best of luck on your endeavors friend.

[@JVLIVSPhotography]

Last longtime job I had I was there for a year, but the job made lots of promises but kept holding back on them, and I ended up leaving that gig and got one that paid 20% better. Still looking for something else. I really hate job hopping, but I don’t wanna settle, either.

[@innocentrage1]

I feel ya man, took me a long time to realize this as well. Gave my life to this company for five years and they gave two raises in that time. I stuck around a year longer because the pandemic but I'm out searching again. Screw this company

[@BAIGAMING]

In my previous job, I actually got a $0.25/hr raise. I told me family how awful it was, and they started justifying it and calling me greedy.

[@___________2204]

Omg this is the worst attitude. I know we should all be grateful, but saying "be grateful" and compare to children in Africa starving is so counterproductive

[@SabreVellerium]

Your raise is higher than what I get 😢

[@mansurmohamed1630]

My previous company gave me a raise by 2% and only because I found a new job. I took the new job and got a 21% raise. Job hopping is the way to go

[@taiven.lechevalier]

Your family got the working class brainwashing package.

[@pharaoh6977]

​@SabreVellerium you make less than 25cents per hour???

[@JTSuter]

This is spot on. Went from $70k per year to $100k then to $115k then to $147k then $170k and now to $230k over the span of 10 years. If I had that stupid "quitters never win" mindset, I probably wouldn't be making over $100k today. Oh, and did I mention that I have a history degree?

[@matt309]

What industry do you work in?

[@___________2204]

Whats your job

[@angelachanelhuang1651]

I work a small job

[@kn0wahh]

Robert Barnes professor

[@evanater13]

I'm assuming he became a developer 10 years ago, he just initially got a degree in history.

[@MustafaMTD]

Exactly what I'm telling people. The salary game is real. There is no value to committing to companies that pay low. Use them like they use you until you get to the salary range you deserve.

[@HarshKumar-kp9zd]

FACTS

[@andeleon6838]

Yessss I like this

[@princessmarlena1359]

Pay me the bare minimum, I’m giving the minimum effort, if any.

[@priscillastephens3978]

🎯🎯🎯

[@SR77736]

@@princessmarlena1359 exactly!!!

[@Mancer1980]

Every 23 year old on the planet needs to see this. I've seen this scenarios play out dozens of times. Be VERY careful how you enter a job/position - it'll set the tone for your entire time at that company.

[@indiasupportstrumpwwg1wga927]

why only 23 yr olds? Even 33 year olds needs to see this....

[@carldrogo9492]

What happens if you are 22 years old then?

[@OfficialGoldenboy]

@@carldrogo9492 Same shit bro

[@gwils7879]

I wish when I was 20 ( this was before this kind of... noncooperation with corporate interests was becoming more mainstream, and your parents promised you working hard would win ) someone had sat me down and explained all this.

[@famelesssoul]

Yea i remember my first Job: "well i kinda need enough money to live, you know pay the bills." Well thats what i got.

[@georgebotros8823]

If you work in the United States, you legally have the right to discuss your salary with co-workers. It's protected by the federal gov. under The National Labor Relations Act.

[@georgebotros8823]

@kingofallcrypto There is a big difference however between simply saying your salary to show off and simply stating so you know where you are and how you should be valued. It's always in the employee's best interest to know what their counterparts are getting so a situation like the one discussed in the video doesn't happen where someone is getting very underpaid. With that said, it always falls on your personal discretion to state your personal salary or the average for the industry in that location.

[@hayuseen6683]

You’re helping the whole employee group by making it more difficult to exploit them by their wages. Which includes yourself. Silence perpetuates the company’s advantage which ends up lowering the standard wages of the whole group. It’s like products whose price isn’t listed until you contact sales so a customer isn’t able to compare and shop around. Making wages transparent seems beneficial to me, if for no other reason than a business can’t blatantly get away with manipulating wages and job offerings... like firing hundreds of people that have been around a while and relisting the same job (or multi-mashups) at a significantly lower wage than was paid to the prior employee, all other things being equal. Of course the company will paint it as someone running their mouth or try to pressure people by saying it spoils working relationships.

[@RedEyedJedi]

This is very true, but if the company find out about it, they don't legally need to give you the good jobs ;)

[@slickcrag]

and enforced by union representation!

[@hayuseen6683]

@kingofallcrypto Randomly bringing up socialism and having the same salary sounds like you're setting up a straw man for no reason. What's socialistic about transparent labor market information? Nobody blushes about talking stock prices or trends. I have to ask how you know appropriate salaries - that is actual rates of income for the labor market rather than company offerings - when you don't have access to what anyone else is making. What downsides are there to knowing, as opposed to benefits of not knowing? How can you compare your worth to the company with other's in the field, at varied performance levels? How can you justify a raise based on your performance relative to colleagues if you have no information of what they are valued at? An employee's labor is the resource they are exchanging for compensation to the company. They're more capable of capitalizing on that resource to make a greater profit when they can inform themself and others on the labor market and trends in wages. This is the game of capitalism through and through. Labor is one of if not the most costly components and greatest profitable resource in the economy. It's not a free market if companies are playing anticompetitive antics. I do know one downside to discussing and comparing wages, but it's due to insecurity about social standing and equating self-worth or ability with a paycheck. Sadly it seems quite embedded in american culture but people don't really talk about the classist aspect of sharing or concealing wealth. The wealthier you are the more it seems it's a social boast to share how much you're valued at/your going rate.

[@Bluesmansrv2]

Once you agree to a salary, it is very difficult to change the perception of your value in your boss's mind

[@Matt-wf7ry]

Leaving the company is the best idea for a raise. I left a company making $42,000 a year right after getting promoted a position that I could tell was paying me at least half of what I should be making after digging around company pay scales and job responsibilities. Got a job at a competitor for $70,000 and then came back to the company 7 months later for a different position making $95,000 a year with a 15% bonus on top of that every year. Damn near tripled my income because I wasn't going to wait around and hope I landed something else in the company and slowly climb the corporate ladder, I forced the issue.

[@aleccogburn5266]

this is what I am hoping to accomplish now, should know if I get the job here in the next 4 weeks

[@Poetry4Peace]

​@@aleccogburn5266 di uu

[@companymen42]

The company I work for gives a yearly “raise”, but in reality, its a cost of living adjustment. It’s kind of a joke.

[@bazosmarek7981]

I feel like is less than inflation.

[@workingshlub8861]

@@bazosmarek7981 i worked for the state and we got the cost of living increase each year...3% maybye...i quit and went back to private sector..

[@TheIntJuggler]

Thats better than a lot of companies.

[@johnathansteil8186]

My employer does the same thing, but I think some co-workers take the cost of living adjustment as an insult. They don't look at their 401k around the same time because my employer does profit sharing and if you stay 6 months it is all vested in your 401k.

[@jaylenlenear3944]

What job is that

[@AltruisticWarrior]

Yup. Companies will tout having record breaking profits in a meeting then 2 weeks later boldly tell you that they can't give raises that year. Weird...

[@joeimj6203]

Thats exactly what happened to us at Teledyne!..No raises this year, but record sales. Theyre spending money hand over fist on the building. But, no we dont get a raise this year. Its because of Covid..WTF??

[@joeimj6203]

@@___meph___4547 LOL!! Company slogan is "everywhere you look"...so here I am...

[@seinfan9]

@@joeimj6203 You guys suck at customer service. I called about an ASIC that we want to run at cryogenic temps and didn't get a call back. Well deserved nonraise, apparently.

[@mimos7214]

@@seinfan9 Did you just... judge all employees based on a single experience you had?

[@PridefulGuide]

Truest comment here - My company will literally brag each quarter about our finances and then act like they are broke when it comes to raises / salary adjustments.

[@briandyck8828]

From personal experience 1 yr - 2 yrs is the sweet spot. Staying for more than 2 yrs seems too long less than 1 year seems too short. After hitting the 1 year mark, start looking casually, around the 1.5 mark start looking seriously.

[@yoshuatree8538]

Great advice, thank you

[@TheOneTrueAJ]

Yes. These days, one year is a long time!

[@BharatChandran]

Thanks Brian, that sounds like great advice

[@pramod6349]

@@TheOneTrueAJ Min 1 yr should be there considering learning and notice period

[@dbsm666]

Here in Chile is 3 years. At the 2 mark starting to make switch, for woman is a little longer, we have a lots of pregnancie protection laws.

[@ANIVIABLUE]

My boyfriend was promised a raise every 6 months. They switched it up on him and told him they never said that. He’s only make 10 dollars an hour. The boss told him if he wants to see that raise he needs to start being on time more often. The problem in this is that my boyfriend works hard all day while everyone at his job slacks off. I told him it’s not worth it for him to be putting in 100% effort for a raise while everyone else half-asses and still gets raises. He’s currently looking for a job but still with the same company. Don’t kiss your companies ass because at the end of the day they still won’t care.

[@cirdanfromlorien]

He maybe should ask himself WHY do his colleagues slack...

[@535Salomon]

Your boyfriend should not put a lot of effort:)

[@Eastmaniac]

Sounds like your boyfriend works at McDonald's.

[@V.E.R.O.]

I started working at Target for minimum wage, I worked really hard for a year then when it came time for my review I expected a good raise. I had gone above and beyond, hard worker, always on time, never called out, etc. Well, I did get my raise, it was 15 cents lmao!!!!! I started looking for better jobs and was able to land a job that paid a lot more and required minimal physical effort.

[@ANIVIABLUE]

@@Eastmaniac It was a car parts store.

[@CamerOneiric]

“But our benefits are really good!” Benefits don’t pay the bills, boss.

[@Michael-ot9bk]

Yea they always try that crap. lol. "But we give you free catered lunches every Friday! and $10 gift cards every quarter." Ok boss....let me add that up $10 for lunch x 4 = $40 + $10 gift card each quarter. 40x4= $160 + $10 = $170 per quarter. $170x4 = $680. WOW a whole $680 that you spend on me per year.....means that I should value that more than a 7% raise which would equal $7000+ ....no thx boss. keep the lunches and the gift cards. I'll take the raise.

[@MarshallTheArtist]

Michael 1 It's worse than that. There are only 13 weeks per quarter, not 16.

[@MarshallTheArtist]

Oneiros they can lower some of your bills, though, especially medical and dental.

[@asadb1990]

well most benefits still barely cover much in dental. my annual coverage is like $2500 but dentists quote like $10k.

[@tenminutetokyo2643]

Oneiros Or my favorite: “Come in and perform well and we’ll double your pay in a year”. Of course they never do.

[@brpadington]

This video is absolutely true. Companies don't value talent of the people they already have. They are always more willing to pay a new person more than someone that is already working for less.

[@lmeza1983]

Because they think current staff is the reason they suck and bringing someone "competent" from the outside will improve things dramatically, in reality everyone is overworked.

[@mardaya]

They pay new people hire because they have to pay market salaries otherwise they wouldn't be able to bring in new. Companies have to be competitive when they bring in new people. They are not being generous they just playing a different game to bring in talent.

[@MsAngelIsFree]

This is so true! I tell people at work "loyalty does not pay." But people get comfortable. People who have stayed in the same job who have more experience are often making less money than the new person who they are training. Don't be a fool for these jobs. They find money for who they want to find money for.

[@marciamartins1992]

I quit immediately after I found out I was making .25 cents more than the newbie.

[@kwe4117]

He is right. I was making $43,000 quit made $65,000 then quit and now making $80,000 without a degree :D did this all in about two in a half years. Not an amazing accomplishment but it's still cool :D.

[@skovu1442]

Not an amazing accomplish? My last job payed 9K per year, value more your earnings.

[@ruxtiztziyxoxyxoyx7604]

Industry?

[@joeytoofly5139]

Thats actually a huge accomplishment. the average person without a college degree makes only a measly 30k a year. You are making 80k i assume to work 40 hours which is hugeeee

[@TheDipset1233]

Bro you're making above the average two adult household income. You're killing it

[@smokinamby]

@JoeyTooFly You don't need a degree to develop. That's like saying I need a english degree to respond to this message. That's just a bunch of bs to make you think you rely on the company you're employed by, when the reality is that company actually relys on you (the programmer. You know, the person who can talk to a computer whether you have a degree or not), or it cannot exist. Most programmers are being exploited financially from these jobs anyways. I've done alot of research and my personal opinion is a programmers time is worth 60-80k USD at an absolute minimum. Anything less than that and you're getting ripped off, degree or not.

[@unicornishcornish]

I wish someone told me this years ago in my 1st job. Worked extra hard for 4 years and finally got my promotion with 5% pay increase. It was like a slap in the face and still way below the industry average. I quit soon after one of my laziest co-workers got a massive raise for wanting to buy a house, yup it had nothing to do with their performance. Then I made another mistake telling recruiters what I was actually on and what increase I wanted, they told me it was impossible. It all turned out well as I found a job on my own which gave me a lot higher pay than I was asking. Over 30% 😯

[@robbied4766]

If they're not paying you now, they won't pay you much in the future.

[@robbied4766]

And negotiating can mean walking. Negotiate yourself up or out.

[@manictiger]

No one will ever pay you what you're worth. This is an employers market. To be an employee is to be a slave. Figure out something else or die poor. Welcome to the 21st century.

[@0dyss3us51]

One of those things that sounds good to say but not always true, ofc if they don't value you overall that is another story and you should not put up with a measly pay.

[@chappsgames955]

@@manictiger i do not agree with you , i have seen alot of posts that says employees are slaves it all depends really if the job you are working at is your passion not every one only cares about money ! and if there were no employees how could other become entrepreneurs . Also what makes people slaves is not the job but the Dette that everyone keeps accumulating to buy nice things and study at expensive schools . i am not against jobs but against dette .

[@vejymonsta3006]

@@manictiger employers that don't value workers also don't deserve to do business. If people stop taking on jobs that underpay them, then those businesses can't succeed. The problem is that the interviewee has to always bluff their way through an interview. Getting caught in the bluff means potentially missing the offer, but it also means that business misses out on you. Let them hire a sucker.

[@ma77bc]

Just quit your job, get a new identity and plastic surgery, then reapply for the job asking for a higher salary. Ezpz.

[@alfredfx0]

haha

[@norekolivas]

Ezpz lol

[@tinapetrie9813]

🤣😂

[@fawaz4276]

wow geneuis idea

[@soulistic87]

LOL

[@alecstahl2387]

100% true. There are no lifelong jobs anymore. I mean, there are...if you are willing to earn less and less per year. I have been changing jobs every 3 years on average. Just listen to Joshua and change jobs. And yes, I also eliminate short jobs (under 2 years) on my resume Signed: A 6-figure income guy.

[@Gmsup788]

🎉🎉🎉

[@savannahnalls2099]

I got a 20% raise at my job after one year because I performed very well. This year because of the corona virus my company could not provide any additional raises which I understand so I got another job which was an additional 17% raise.

[@RyanValizan]

savannah nalls and where i worked, we all took 10% cuts for a few months to prevent layoffs - the lost wages were all paid back once sales picked back up. Another perk to where i work.

[@josephgodslayer9961]

@@RyanValizan they were probably gettin ppp money or something dont ever trust corporate ever.

[@mikel9912]

Hi what's your current work role? Congrats! 💯🐨👌

[@denmark7775]

Same! I got a 25% raise after one year. But decided to quit job due to work arrangement issues during the pandemic. I'm now applying for a new job. Wish me luck!

[@CalebWolf]

@@josephgodslayer9961 Not if you work for a small business. They tend to get screwed in not being able to receive that PPP money.

[@noodlesplaylist891]

I got a 20% raise this year and was so excited I cried. My entire team of 10 people were so excited to be getting paid what we deserved, then two weeks in, the managements calls us into a meeting to say they made a mistake and didn’t run the numbers right... we literally lost our money and got a MUCH smaller raise. Idiots. I got a new job and make less but at least I don’t work for idiots now🤷🏻‍♀️

[@Detroitdiesel285]

Wow.

[@10DanniH]

Omg no that’s awful

[@Cahangir]

Morons lol

[@metadadda]

I knew several employees that arrived an hour early every day, ate in, stayed late, stayed at the company 5+ years and go zero bonus. I just hope they see your content.

[@suitch]

My employer is crazy amazing. I have gone from 48k to over 80k in only three years without even asking for a raise. Glad my company is outside the normal mould.

[@anonyfamous42]

Shareholders don't like that

[@K_P_R]

What company, if I may ask?

[@innocentrage1]

They hiring? Lol

[@RaoufHaouariOfficial]

@@suitch what do u work exactly ? if you dont mind

[@samunstoray4668]

Profession?

[@Aduskett]

It's FEDERALLY illegal in the USA for companies to punish employees for sharing their salaries. If you were even talked to about it that was against the law.

[@Aduskett]

@Bobs Slong Yes, 100%. If they retaliate against you that's also illegal and you can sue them.

[@devnull5098]

@@Aduskett Like anything else related to retaliation or discrimination-related, you're going to have a VERY DIFFICULT TIME (can't stress it enough) proving retaliation.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

@@devnull5098 True. A company has so many different rules. More rules than you could ever hope to remember, let alone follow. If a company wants to punish you they can just wait until you break a minor rule and punish you harder than normal for that rule. Its like how a cop knows if they follow a car for long enough that car will always break a minor traffic law. And since you broke a rule (no matter how small of one) they have grounds to take action against you. They don't' ever have to admit the real reason why they were watching you so closely.

[@Soladaddy]

@@hamsterfromabove8905 Spot on. Our reviews are terrible, despite claiming to love everyone's work. They keep a record of imperfections so they can fire anyone once they change their mind.

[@dingfeldersmurfalot4560]

Many people get beaten down on the job to believe they are less than they really are. I've been in jobs where the boss talking down the employees is practically programmatic; the longer you worked there, the more it got drilled into you that you could never work anywhere else because you're not good enough. That's how they keep employees from ever thinking of leaving and make them accept more readily slow advancement and salary increases. You have to watch out not to get stuck in the system, including the psychological system that is very purposefully put upon you.

[@doggydude4123]

When I was in college, I asked some one I know how much money did they make interning at this engineering company. Immediately afterwards, someone in the same room told me it was very rude to ask that question and I should never ask that to anyone even if that person was a friend. I asked him why and even told him the only people that benefit here is the company when we withhold salary information from each other. The idiot just ignore me and said he didn't care. This slave mentality starts early. It's no wonder wages stagnate for so many decades for so many people.

[@SKBottom]

To Hell with that idiot drone. There are victims and there are volunteers.

[@QwertyUiop-xd8tb]

Yes and no. Beside of complete slave idiot type, those who claim this idiocy benefit somehow from their mingling between stuff and the management. From my observation they have higher salary for being an ear and they fight not to disclose the inequality they take the profit from.

[@misotofu5789]

I asked a co worker the same question and he says “ you’re not supposed to ask that, how old are you?” And I said “ it’s not illegal” like why do they act like it’s a crime, the crime here is the shit pay and not wanting to raise your salary. Idiot.

[@HearMeLearn]

I just also wanted to add that statistically people make a lot more money job hopping than people who stay loyal to one or two companies.

[@frz_akbar]

hahaha, Sinus Lebastian, your name makes me laugh 🤣

[@workingshlub8861]

i can see that......remember all you are is a number on a profit and loss sheet....be loyal to yourself because when things get tight you can bet they wont be..

[@darkoz1692]

Yep, absolutely true

[@budoyong1]

sadly true, I got higher pay now compared to my manager on my first job, 2x higher and also I am not a manager

[@rickderico356]

This is something i wish i had learned a lot sooner...

[@kray97]

When you talk pay at an interview, early red flag is when they tell you that your base might not be that high, but you can make up for it "with the bonus". Yeah no. Show me the money and it needs to be base pay.

[@aqgh1]

This is becoming more standard practice at every company. For anyone in negotiations they need to push back on this practice. It is only offering companies less investment in the government required funds and 401K matching.

[@gravemind6536]

I remember walking out of one interview I had after they said salary was almost minimum wage and you relied on piece rate work. No thanks I'm not bombing round like a nutter and cutting corners to make collections.

[@kalebbruwer]

My dad has been switching jobs as he gets better offers for years. After more than a decade he came back to a company he worked at before. He calculated that his salary is double what it would've been if he never switched and just took their standard raise every year.

[@Coldgloom]

This is indisputably true. The days of 30 years at the same company are over. Ive made a move every 3 years on average, all to minimum 10% raises or more.

[@workingshlub8861]

time is the most precious thing you have.....im not wasting my time at a place i hate just to look good on a resume...if you have many years in your chosen field go and make more money when you can...

[@melissam6037]

I brought up the possibility of getting a raise to my boss once, and she proceeded to go over all of the ways that she thinks I’m not even worth the pay I’m getting. Then spent the next several months micromanaging me, criticizing my every move, and making my work life a living hell. Needless to say I’m looking for another job and planning to ghost her as son as I can. Never again.

[@rocio4618]

Are you still working there? My coworker asked for a raise and our boss told her she needs to take on even more responsibility. Who wants to take on more work for what, an extra $1/hr?

[@brandonm1719]

Got best reviews by both my manager (who praised me to heavens) and from multiple other people's feedback. Treated like a super star - got 2.5% salary increase...

[@orbitalair2103]

Get top 80% on reviews, got 0% raise.

[@FilmsByDan]

Good for you, champ. Way to stick with the team 👍👍

[@Juppie902]

I hope you start this day with energy ready to meet the new challenges ahead (with only a 0% pay increase) you little lab rat!

[@steffenkawa8374]

Praising costs nothing and a lot of people fall for it. Do it for team etc. This is bullshit

[@stevedcase]

2.5% raise is cash (pre-tax), 97.5% raise in compliments...

[@brendant.4493]

I really like how you don't have a shtick. You get to the core issues and cut through fluff. Thank you for your content.

[@_sky_3123]

I had this same experience, was extremly underpaid on my previous job. I asked for a 20% raise, they just kept promising it to me, but it wasn't coming. Soon I started looking for a job, and managed to land a position that payed 3X net what I was getting before. So basically, instead of 20% raise I got 300%. So yeah, trying to find another job might be a right thing.

[@pkrent3461]

Nice

[@mansurmohamed1630]

It might not be the right thing, it IS the right thing. I’ve come to learn a genuine raise only happens by switching jobs

[@suomusintti]

What field are you in?

[@himanshusingh5214]

It is 200% increase.

[@iAPX432]

I could witness I had a 33% salary increase by switching company. Same job. Same hassle. 33% more money. No brainer.

[@tombert512]

It’s actually illegal for employers to restrict you from talking about your salary, but that doesn’t stop them from trying. I’ve had jobs where their policy said that salary discussions can be grounds for immediate dismissal. Credit to my manager there, he told me in private that “this stupid policy is illegal, if they try and punish you for that, I’ll fight for you”, which he actually did.

[@Proclifo]

Gotta love a manager with some integrity. Was he successful when he fought for you?

[@tombert512]

@@Proclifo Yeah, I got in trouble when talking to a coworker and found out he made more than me despite the same amount of experience. Somehow this conversation surfaced up to management, me and my manager both got called into the CFO's office, and my manager pulled up the regulation on the phone explaining that if I'm in trouble for talking about salaries, this is illegal. They dropped the subject shortly after.

[@christopherfortineux6937]

Report them to the labor department with material. aka a picture or copy of the policy.

[@tombert512]

@@christopherfortineux6937 this was years ago, I don’t really have access to anything from that company anymore.

[@avapilsen]

Wow. Nasty. Great thing your manager said though!

[@alaunaenpunto3690]

That's the advice my Dad, who worked for government most his life, gave me. Told me the chances of a raise are slim and even when they do happen, it's peanuts. Best way is to switch jobs and negotiate a new salary/wage. EDIT: He also said never stay more than 2-3 years in a single position if you can help it. Even if you just switch to a different position within the same company or agency, your chances of successfully negotiating a higher salary are much better than getting a raise.

[@elenachiritescu2681]

Yes! Nowadays staying more than 2-3 years, will be detrimental to your pocket! Loyalty is never rewarded in this environement! :(

[@anniesshenanigans3815]

best advice!!!

[@amesasw]

That part is very true. Good raises are only justified as your role is expanding. If you are stagnant at a given role or level your raises will get constrained.

[@infotechsailor]

Your dad was smart, most boomers had a company loyalty that was vulnerable to abuse

[@vonn2221]

I never know ahout changing department, because i thought we settle in on part of company and that's it Thx for your insight, i will keep it from now on

[@MachineLearningwithPhil]

There's a lot of truth in this. When I was at Intel, people who had been there a decade were pretty pissy that I was making more than them as a recent college grad.

[@iorekby]

Same here. I'm a Linux Engineer, and I sat at a company for 3 years getting 5% increases each year. Moved to another company for a 23% increase. Made more in one move than in 3 years sitting at the same terminal.

[@ciprianghenghea7779]

@@iorekby How is to be a linux engineer ? Are there many automation tasks ? And is there much customer interaction ??

[@stevedcase]

There's multiple reasons for this though. I completely agree with Josh and your point, but it's also because I imagine some of those people were expendable and it would just be cheaper to keep them doing whatever mundane jobs they were doing giving them minimal raises than release them and hire fresh (and more expensive) talent. That's not to suggest that Intel isn't an awesome company and doesn't want to continue innovating, but when it comes to numbers, they know you're probably the one doing the innovating, while the others are there for the health insurance and a steady paycheck. It's only recently moving into my 30's that I've noticed that no matter what company I've worked at, you really only have about 25% of the employees doing actual, meaningful work.

[@humann5682]

@@ciprianghenghea7779 I'm also a Linux Engineer and I love it. It's nice because I get to work with a fairly stable domain (Linux based OS). It's rare to get the chance to be expert at sething these days in tech. Tech stacks are becoming more bloated. Having a strong Unix/Linux background will likely be in demand for long term. People try and say "Dev Ops" is killing things like Linux engineering but imo that displays a real ignorance. Any Dev Ops team I know that works with Unix or Linux at some point comes across problems, and throwing serving trendy at it like Puppet or Ansible just won't cut it. At that point a good Linux Engineer is invaluable/essential. Plus big tech companies still employ Linux engineers (like Google). Not to say learning things like Kubes or Salt is a waste of time for a LE. Far from it. It's just knowing Linux back to front is a really valuable skillset to have. In terms of customer facing, it will vary company to company. I don't in my current role, but have in the past. Final point is if you get to understand Linux and Linux based OSs, you will understand a lot about computer engineering: hardware, operating systems, working with kernels, coding, security, networks... Linux will help you understand all of that.

[@ciprianghenghea7779]

@@humann5682 Wow thanks for it.When you say learning linux do you also mean learning some automation with python and another tools ?? I'm trying to decide what do learn..either network engineering/administration or system administration..but i constantly hear that linux admins have no future because of automation and that devops is the new trend. Also if you don't mind,at what level do you need to know programming for linux on a scale of 1 to 10 ?

[@thesnjvsharma]

Last year I graduated and when I was about to finish my 6 months internship at a company I didn't like, I gave a lot of interviews. I asked for an above-average package(salary) as I had been doing Web Dev for 3 years and was much better than most of the graduates. Every single HR was like you're just a fresher, we can't pay you this much. I boldly said you won't have to teach me things from scratch, I can start working on your production code within a week. Most companies denied but I never settled for a low salary. Your first job is really important and you should try to jump as high as possible. In the end, I got offers from 3 companies with a really good salary(more than double of any tier-2/3 graduate's salary). You should believe in yourself. Companies will always pay you less, don't settle until you're satisfied.

[@___________2204]

Well, how much?

[@victorsaenz9452]

How do you companies even find you to offer a job

[@stoinks224]

@@victorsaenz9452 company dont find us we go to them give interview

[@Tatusiek_1]

@@stoinks224 where is a good place to search jobs mr. stoinks?

[@coltonwilliams1565]

Bro... 100% true. I started year one 40k, then 42k, then went and got a job offer for 50 or else I would have gotten NO raise, they matched it at 50... next year i asked for 75k then went to only 55k. Then the only senior developer in our company announced he was leaving and I told them that either I'm the next senior running this company or I'm out ( basically ).... with all the new experience I had and experience in the corporate world and the corporate game ... I knew my worth and knew how to better negotiate. Got 3 interviews in one week. All three loved me and went to the 2nd interview. All gave me offers around 90k. I went from 55k to 90k just like that. It wasn't me buying them anymore, they had to buy me.

[@GlitchCityPromo]

Had a company I really liked and really wanted to work for offer me $55k when the job posting was for "$30-40 an hour". Called the hiring lady and she said "we aren't hiring you for that position we have a different position we are hiring you for that pays less. We aren't one of those big companies that can afford to pay as much." F that, huge red flag. Now have an offer for $80k a month later

[@circletech7745]

80k a month? You the CEO or something?

[@thankielife2670]

@@circletech7745 “a month later”

[@thrillereighties8241]

@@circletech7745 Depends on what you do. In my field people can earn easily £60 - 80 per hour but sometimes get offers as low as £20 - £30 per hour.

[@thrillereighties8241]

@@thankielife2670 Yeah, he got a better job a month later.. duh. This happens to me a lot as a contractor. Don't accept low-paying jobs when you know you can do better.

[@grannyoldr988]

@@circletech7745 no, an offer of 80k A MONTH LATER, as in a month later he got an offer making 80k.

[@DamianNAudio]

Spoiler: Change job as often as Joshua changes camera angle

[@Only_Grace1111]

Lol 😂

[@ebinrock]

And lighting style.

[@AbsolutelyRandomUsername]

I saw this video 3 years ago, right after I started my first job, and took this to heart. I am now into my 3rd job - I've increased my salary >5-fold. Admittedly, my first job was severely underpaying me, but still, I am now way above the salary of a similarly aged person. Thanks, Joshua! You made me rich(er)!

[@stefismano]

I worked at a company for 2 and a half years, started as £23k, then got a raise to 25k, and finally to 28k, I moved to a new company last month, and got upgraded to 42k, that's a 50% raise

[@j6873]

I started at £19k, job hopped 11 months later to £22k, job hopped 6 months later to 32k. I’m currently 1 year in to my current job. Gonna job hop again soon looking for something in the range of £42k - £50k. I’ve had recruiters reach out to me for jobs in that salary range after they saw my LinkedIn profile so I’m assuming that’s my current market value.

[@DeezSkates]

A job once told me I had to enforce blocking employees working under me to from telling their coworkers what they make. I looked into this and discovered it’s illegal for employers to try and silence you from discussing your salary.

[@vonn2221]

Experience it in my last company. Then because of the different work i do with my coworker that do almost nothing except being bossy and nagging like she our manager A finance guy told me that she get pay higher than me and also get bonus from what she sell, which i dont and my boss never paid me about it until the end. He blatantly said that he never say what he promise to me when i get interview I also heard video recording of she and other coworker trying making plan to harm me from the boss My boss is chinese, which is cant speak my native language and from what i see this a'hole just the same like them So i left them all, and when i do it, i deleted all my job I realize if i stay, they just going to replace me, not worth it at all

[@troller4jesus]

I think this is one of the advantages to working with recruiters. The employer has no problem telling them the salary, and then the recruiter has no problem giving you a range. And they have an incentive to get you more as well. I know they're not perfect but I've had good luck with the recruiter approach to get a salary I was happy with and not have to deal with games with the employer.

[@md-8866]

They're hit and miss- but a great third party recruiter can be an immensely valuable asset

[@Phantom2502]

A tip I have learned, since I've done 7 jobs in 7 years, with positions lasting from 6 months to almost 2 years as a software engineer, is when asked about the short time period on jobs, or what happened to the last job (if that position already ended) is just to say they were contract, and the last job the contract ended. They will look at the short periods, that will line up with contract fine, and nobody is the wiser. Doesn't matter if you were laid off, fired, etc. Say contract ended (which is true since all jobs you sign a contract, and that contract ends when they let you go). Whether At Will or not, it will look a lot better just to leave it at that and 99% of the time they satisfied with that answer, you look good, and they move on, and never find out that some of those were At Will or Permanent Positions(depending on country). I've been let go for a multitude of reasons (1. found somebody else with my skillset that was cheaper, 2. I thought raise period was salary negotiations (I was more naive earlier in my career), I wanted an extra 5K/year than offered, they didn't budge and they decided next day to just let me go, have me sign a don't sue us thing and handed me 5K to sign that. Found a job in 2 weeks that offered me a 40% raise, haha suckers. 3. Let go because I only worked 40 hours per week, and was basically would not do any overtime unless they paid me for it in paid time off or cash, they declined and let me go for not being productive enough, wink wink. 4. Let go because somebody else lost the company 10s of millions of dollars so they had to lay off 75% of the company. 5. I switched jobs after I was declined a promotion even though I was already doing that job for more than a year according to their own responsibilities grid, and only got a 2% raise when I was promised a 4% raise for the level of productivity I was doing.) Thing it switching so often I went from making 46K/year to 180K/year in 7 years, and my largest year over year bump was an 81% increase. Yeah Josh here knows what he is talking about since that has pretty much been my experience. Although at 180K... I am kind of wondering where the ceiling is....

[@bigp8871]

Phantom2502 won’t they ask your previous jobs for reference tho and they will end up finding out it wasn’t a contract

[@Phantom2502]

@@bigp8871 To my knowledge that has never been asked, since I've never been found out. But even if they end up thinking of asking that some small percentage of the time it is still worth it. Since during the interview if they ask about how the previous job ended and you say you were fired, or the last 3 jobs were all at will/permanent and they all ended for any other reason, even those that aren't your fault, you are basically 99.99% not going to get any job, and you need to work to live. So if you go this route, that percentage is lower. I've had 1 interviewer ask about what I mean't about contract and I didn't get that job, but that is 1 not all of them, and if they ask that to a reference I won't get that job, but the like 90% of the time it doesn't get asked I am still good, which is way better odds that if you reveal it during your interview, and I've 100% of the time in all interviews been asked how the last job ended or why I was leaving it. Don't shoot yourself in the foot, make that knowledge expensive for them, not cheap to find out. If they are calling references you pretty much already have the job it is more expensive for them at that point to start the whole process over again.

[@Phantom2502]

@@pooky8110 I've never used this while still working at a job though, and it is not advisable to quit a job before having another offer, as well you are in a way better negotiating position and look better if you are already employed than not employed. If you are still employed and asked why you want to leave, say for more responsibility, or perhaps you find out they are doing technology x, and then say you always wanted to get involved in technology x. As well for switching jobs it is always good to be doing something different you can add to your resume. All my jobs have added something to my skillset. I've done front-end, back-end, database management, 3 completely different full stack frameworks, added front-end framework, and mobile development at the last job, always on top of money, even if you may or may not end up liking a job look to use that job to expand your experience, and not do the same thing over and over again, you will become more marketable.

[@mokhan6052]

Holy crap thank you I'm similar and have had lots of positions over last 7 years! That's sucks man I'm not developer yet...I thought (well in Houston) developers start off at $50K-$70K depending on company and get to $100K within 5 years. Also according to bls the median is $103K

[@Phantom2502]

@@TheHandHistoryVault I have always left a place with a reliable reference. Most of the time, there were issues with management, not other devs, so I'd have a senior dev or architect that had seen my work and liked me that I had good report with be my reference. Either way the whole contract/not contract was never a question asked of my references or if it was it has never been mentioned by my next employer and I always got the job without it being mentioned. As well it helps when some of those jobs were actually contract ones as well. But if you mention you were canned or let go 3 times or more they will think something is wrong with you almost 100% and you won't get the job no matter the reasoning. Whole point is to get the job, any strategy that makes you look good and they don't find out those details less than you giving them those details in the interview is better.

[@williambarnes5023]

*"How much were you looking for in compensation?"* _"I'm going to go with the highest bidder between the companies looking at me."_ *"Okay, and how much is that?"* _"I'm not at liberty to discuss my negotiations with other companies. What are you offering?"_

[@komranbehbehani6379]

Does it work?

[@williambarnes5023]

@@komranbehbehani6379 If it doesn't, that's also your answer.

[@hamsterfromabove8905]

@@williambarnes5023 That can work. But you sometimes can't afford to risk pissing off the company that will get you a paycheck the fastest.

[@vishualee]

That's such a power move😎

[@andeleon6838]

What a chad

[@prauwnsauce]

Idk if my phones been hearing me cry in the car lately but I’m glad I found your videos, it’s nice to have the point of view of someone else when I feel lost

[@jonathanh8289]

This is great for new grads that don't know how to navigate in the corporate world :) Good work Josh keep going!

[@mryup6100]

Yes, very valuable!

[@thecsciworker291]

Except new grads have the crutch of in-experience. It becomes a bit difficult to negotiate your pay based on school projects.

[@jaloveast1k]

I am 28, still wish I've watched this vid a week ago =/

[@asadb1990]

@@thecsciworker291 exactly. unless you have a friend or family member knows the salary being offered.

[@PadyEos]

I have seen people that 10+ years in this field, changed jobs only once and could use this advice. Have given it to them, they rarely listen out of fear and comfort at the current job. When all you get are praises and stellar evaluations while "raises" are minimal it's time to look for another place to work. Nothing against the current company, it's just the situation you and them find yourselves in.

[@Latin00032]

Reminds me of a story my friend told me. He worked at this company for a couple years. His co worker who started later in the company left for another company for about 3 years. My friend got a couple promotions and went up the ranks in the company. His old coworker got rehired back at his company 3 years later at a higher position than him and for significantly more pay. My friend thought he should get paid more becuase he stuck with the company and has more education than the guy they hired back. The company management were honest with my friend to say that this is how it works. This means that they will pay more to get you back after you learn things from other companies than if you stick with them. If you stick with them and learn their ways, I think companies think they already "got you" so so they don't have to try hard to keep you.

[@anthonyluong552]

I agree with this point 100%. I experienced this first hand at my first job where I was making $70k per year as a manufacturing engineer. After the first year or so, two members of my team had left the company so I was the only one to take on the full work load of 3 engineers. After 6 months of requesting additional compensation/benefits, it was never "in the budget". How can they not increase my salary if they are short 2 other engineers in my department. I received a job offer at another company for $116k. When I gave my two weeks notice, all of a sudden they were able to counter offer and increase my salary to $95k per year. I declined, however, it is quite frustrating that my skills were only valued to the company once I they knew I was willing to leave. Companies do not value us, you most likely will not get the pay raise you deserve staying at one company.

[@rokaskundrotas4805]

That is very true!

[@ssmufc9941]

Don’t fall for the ‘extra holidays’ bs. More time off just means more pressure to finish the same amount of work in less days. I’m always most stressed leading up to booked time off. Only way around it is freelance. You control what you’re worth, when you work, how much you work.

[@jenniferbond7073]

Yes! Also don’t for for unlimited pto, that’s a racket, they track and you don’t have to take it. Plus you don’t get paid out for unused time if u leave.

[@Corythehausbaus]

I'm getting paid 75k as a junior in Canada, I worked for 8 months. Then I asked for 90k from a recruiter for another position. They accepted . If tension is high always ask for the salary you want to make in a year or two

[@trentsmith357]

I’m always told at every interview that raises are issues based on reviews every quarter but I’ve only ever been offered a raise when I’ve told my employer that I am putting in my two weeks notice lol

[@carultch]

Then when you do accept a counter-offer, it will be awkward because they know you only stayed for the money. Or that you were playing hardball to get the raise.

[@soldiermedic81]

Same. Got a $20k/year increase

[@MilenaSimsic]

This is why it's so important to talk to your co-workers about salary! I started as a new grad nurse in a hospital and was making the same amount as nurses that have been there for 3+ years. I then switched jobs after getting a years worth of experience and now make more than nurses that have worked in my previous company for 6+ years. And this is the type of career where you can find a job ANYWHERE, and most people think that staying loyal is the best way to go. Great video!

[@katyertle3]

This is what I’m experiencing now. I am making the same amount as new grads with 7 years of experience. I’m looking for a new job now 😩

[@carultch]

Employers benefit from the taboo of employees not wanting to discuss their wages. It is illegal for them to have a policy against it, and it is something people should be willing to discuss. The taboo creates information asymmetry that tilts the scales in the employer's favor for negotiating a salary.

[@jonydude]

Here's a line for you I want everyone to hear. I heard it from another KZbinr: "There are a lot of factors involved in determining appropriate compensation. I don't yet know enough about the requirements, working conditions, and other factors to answer that question yet." That allows you to delay answering the question indefinitely, but in order to move forward the interviewer MUST make an offer. Yet there is nothing in that answer that sounds stupid, unreasonable, or is any way a reason to not consider your application.

[@solame4983]

We've decided to move on to other candidates, thank you for interviewing.

[@Janzer_]

@@solame4983 Correct. No matter how much you do exactly what you need to do, that doesn't account for other people doing what you think they should do, what you believe they should do, what they actually should do, or what is "right". The fact of the matter is, just keep your options open and realize you are never really "safe".

[@jonydude]

@@solame4983 they'll say whatever they'll say. But typically they'll talk about all the factors run down the clock, and then forget they asked the question. By the time they remember to ask again, the interview is already over. With two identical candidates, they're not going to choose the guy who instantly knew the number over the guy who asked for more information. More likely, they'll take the number from the other guy and make a lower offer to the guy that didn't give a number. It's the guy who gave a number that gets ghosted, while the guy who didn't give a number stays in contact.

[@mikeha]

it seems like HR always says they survey all the jobs in the marketplace to ensure they're giving us a competitive salary. Yet somehow despite this when I quit my job I was able to get a new job that was twice the salary. HR lies.

[@emptystuff1593]

@@solame4983 Well they could do that except that finding a developer is hard and having him produces value so they have incentive to play his game. And if they don't, another employer will. In one word, it's a negotiation.

[@Seattle-2017]

I had one of those extremely rare cases where the offer was 50% ABOVE what my voiced salary expectations were (it was at a time of a big life change for me and I really wanted and needed the work). It was of course a very good company, that was very big and it had a set pay structure. I think this is the mark of a good company, and generally a set pay structure based on the position and experience is the best way to go, then give raises and performance bonuses based on performance. The sad reality is that most places do the opposite, they want you to undercut yourself. A sure red flag is when you give a salary amount and they say "OK" right away. If that happens, you've undercut yourself and are making less that what they were willing to pay you.

[@MatheusPratta]

"They won't hire you because they think you'll leave as soon as there's more money involved." - Well, the principle of a job is the same of a company, which is profit. I would prefer to be as far as possible to companies that think this way, first because it's a red flag that you probably won't get a better pay, but also that you probably will be seen as "expense" to them, not "investment", which increases the chances of you getting dumped as soon they find someone cheaper. A company that sees the employee as an "investment" will value its skills and eventually give raises and reasons to be in the company. Simple as that.

[@TheDipset1233]

@@zarthemad8386 obviously

[@freedomdude5420]

@@zarthemad8386 there’s the magical words desperation you never want to be desperate desperation means all right you can screw me over bend over and they know this too.

[@freedomdude5420]

@@zarthemad8386 that’s why you need to learn the art of the checks and deals something that the school system should be teaching oh wait they don’t thanks to John D, John D Rockefeller that is.

[@Lilitha11]

Another thing that happens in many places, is that you end up getting assigned more and more responsibilities the longer you stay around. You get the responsibilities but you don't necessarily get the title or the pay. That is fairly common to have the title of an entry level employee, when you are doing like 80% of the job of the manager. Heck in some places you might have more experience than a new manager that is coming in. You find yourself in that position and switching jobs is definitely going to get you more money.

[@StockSpotlightPodcast]

This is exactly what happened to me

[@bgonzalez8712]

how do i prevent this? how would I ask/bring up the title & pay when I’m given other responsibilities?

[@Lilitha11]

@@bgonzalez8712 You just have to ask for it. Just meet with your boss, tell them all the extra things you do and ask for the title and pay you deserve. There is a high chance they will give you the run around or say no, but what can you do but ask? That is why the option of finding a new job using the experienced you gained is often so tempting. Of course it is possible, if they really value your work, that they will give you a proper raise when you speak with them. It is just a lot of places wont.

[@sergiodominguez8725]

I’m in this exact position right now. I don’t understand why companies think this is okay. when I leave, and I will, it’s going to be a shit show lol

[@Lilitha11]

@@sergiodominguez8725 I am sure they think it is cheaper. Though it is debatable how efficient it is to have people doing stuff that isn't their job, because obviously they are not doing their actual job during that time.

[@88Nieznany88]

Not giving your number first, even if you don't negotiate, is the way to go. I started going with "I prefer to go through technical interviews first and see how much would you value me". Giving your number first on the first interview can end in two scenarios: 1. You are over the budget, and get eliminated instantly - this might be good if you don't want to waste time, but sometimes they'll go through anyway. 2. You just undercut yourself and their starting offer could've been higher. You will know this if they gave you exactly what you wanted, or even a little bit higher.

[@iskabin]

He's right. Started last year making 1.5k a month, switched jobs 4 times and now I'm at 6k, planning to keep that job for longer now, not because of salary, since now I know how to get a raise, but because the job is really good.

[@meliss9536]

The job being good is worth so much

[@LuisHernandez-sk3dm]

Dude, this channel is gold

[@TheLemon420]

Really like your channel. There are so many channels out there that show you to “be an entrepreneur” but not everyone wants or strives for that. You give legitimate advice that people can use in the work world to help them not get screwed. I like that.

[@lolagepwned]

I'm so glad I found this channel so early, before I finish my degree and get into the corporate world. It's so helpful!

[@fadewade3143]

I am happy for you TinkerTavern! I walked the walked and learned the lesson the hard way, not fun at all!

[@Ben-sg5cq]

P.S. -really eating up this walkthrough on price negotiation. Something I've been super insecure about in the past, and it's a HUGE relief to hear your philosophy and decisions when valuing yourself to employers. Keep it up man!

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Job hopping isn't just for more pay, it's an opportunity to find a more suitable job for yourself.

[@MrWatchmen759]

This is why u should talk to ur co workers on how much they get paid. You will be surprised to find everyone that works the same position as u doesn’t get paid the same salary

[@freedomdude5420]

HR the number one job to make sure you never make unions a.k.a. private union that is, Then department they should be called HD, human Disposal, because their job is not for you to look good but the company, do you think HR is a fitting name for that department if it doesn’t protect its employees.

[@mikerotch4875]

I'd love to see a mock salary negotiation between you and a friend ... or just you talking to yourself

[@drsalka]

yeees!

[@mikerotch4875]

Even better, you can use the HR costumes to play the character

[@danielberry8582]

That would be like Magnus Carlsen playing chess with himself.

[@ChallusMercer]

yeah, that's would be really cool to see!

[@amjad-se]

YES!

[@motorcyclehair]

You're so on point. I'm 21+ years in business & you covered alot of great stuff. Great employee empowerment content, in my book.

[@seanbrummfield448]

I've just realized that those who are watching this video and commenting are literally ten or 20 years older than me. I'm just 22. lol. But, it's good advice, I can say. I would look down the line and see a big difference in everything for me.

[@Ernestas23]

Switched jobs a month ago and my salary went up like 30%.

[@rl1271]

I’ll one up you on this buddy... I automated my first remote job didn’t ask for a raise kept my mouth shut, got another full time job and kept working two full time jobs earning over 120% more income instead of leaving my first job. I only worked 65 hours a week total for both jobs.

[@pigbenis2812]

How did you automate a whole job? I periodically outsource to India thru Fiverr, but I still have to do a lot of my own work.

[@rl1271]

@@pigbenis2812 I still did my job. I just outsourced through code mentor and it cut many hours off my work day and I would add hours required to do projects to account for the fact I have another job to do for another company.

[@kennethguthrie180]

I do something more or less similar. I have two jobs, one is full-time and the other is freelance. My full-time job is working at an editorial as a "style corrector" and my freelance job is translation. What happens is that, more often than not, unless I am specifically working on a project, I don't typically have mountains and mountains of work waiting for me. It's always manageable. Ergo, I will work my assignments and then accept translation jobs during free time. Nets me my entire paycheque and then a little bonus every month for fun stuff.

[@rl1271]

@@kennethguthrie180 that’s the way to go. Modern day working can easily support two jobs with technology

[@kennethguthrie180]

@@rl1271, definitely, man! And it’s not even heavy work either! It’s all about proper time management and doing your work on time and not wasting your day on Facebook.

[@erichorton1440]

When I started HVAC, I had to keep switching jobs to get raises. I started at $18. Switched to another company 3 months later for $25. Switched again for $28. Moved and took a job for $20. Switched to a company that I'm at now for $33. All were hvac. That being said, never be loyal to a company. Believe me. They don't care about you. Stop caring about them.

[@guulish]

Bro, can't agree more. I've doubled my wage in one year just by holding down a job, applying for another job and bluffing my salary at the new job.

[@asadb1990]

im with you. i was paid like $53k at my last job. i asked for a raise and promotion that were long overdue but i only got 2 raises at 2.75%. and when i applied for other jobs. i asked for $80k and their quickness to find it acceptable made me feel like i asked too low.

[@matt309]

@@asadb1990 go for da 6 figures

[@nakulyadav9287]

Aren't you supposed to share your previous salary slips if you join a new organization? In india, it's the norm

[@masterofnothing2360]

@@nakulyadav9287 in the USA you don’t have to provide proof of salary and it’s illegal for a prospective employer to ask for that information from a previous employer

[@nakulyadav9287]

@@masterofnothing2360 wow, that's sounds crazy.

[@mopthermopther]

I get a raise. Everytime the minimum wage goes up 🙁

[@G1ennbeckismyher0]

About time to get some skills then.

[@komranbehbehani6379]

so does your cost of living lol?

[@Lostcontroller]

So does your purchasing power.

[@ohdahngboi_2237]

Then the cost of living will go up and then you’re back to square one

[@edwinvargas7969]

@@ohdahngboi_2237 So youre admitting that people are meant to be poor with no escape? Or are you forgetting its the same company that can afford higher wages, also can choose and set prices at will. In other words, none of this has to be this way..

[@kynchan3332]

Great advice. I found out I was underpaid for about 5 years from negotiating badly and worse of all not job hopping. But I did other things on the side like buying property in the vicinity (and renting it out) and using the employer's computers to mine ethereum during the night, when everyone went home.

[@FlorimondH]

A "raise" just to follow the inflation is not a raise. In Belgium you get this automatic "raise" every year that follows inflation. I thought it was "normal". Then, on top of that we request an actual raise. In IT it's normal here to get this raise every year, otherwise we get very angry, and indeed switch job! At my current job this raise (on top of the "inflation raise") is automatic without any evaluation from your boss. You can request an evaluation if you want more.

[@lorep7412]

In Romania also. In IT the raise is quite high every year otherwise people would leave. In Germany on the other hand the raise is super low or sometimes not at all. That's why negotiating at the beginning is the way to go here.

[@ForgottenKnight1]

@@lorep7412 A lot of companies in Romania will give you a 50-100 euro raise of your monthly salary, on a yearly basis. I wouldn't call that "high". Also, a lot of companies have no idea how to build a proper career path and properly evaluate their employees. They just "evaluate" and then might raise or not your salary. Most companies have also no idea how to deal with counter offers of their competition in case an employee wants to leave.

[@franz3810]

same where I work

[@rejectwokeness1314]

You Belgians are lucky. In Singapore companies can report record earnings and proceed to issue pay freeze

[@metavore_official]

As someone that's had a wide array of jobs over the years and always negotiated to make much more than my previous job, you gave a lot of really good advice here. Your approach to getting them to say the number first was great.

[@GamingTaylor]

It really depends on the company and your skillset. My company doesn't really give big yearly raises or allow you to ask for a raise BUT THEY DO allow you to "self-promote" and if you are motivated you can advance fast. For me it was 50% raise within 1 year and 1 month, and they allowed me to switch fields within the company allowing me the opportunity for another ~25% raise within the next 2 years, if not more. If they keep giving me the opportunity I'll never feel like "asking for a raise" is necessary.

[@RandomPerson-cc9mn]

If you're working at a large company, and feel switching jobs is too big a step, you can switch internally too. I was the most senior member on my team, getting paid a junior developer salary. So I just switched to an actual senior dev position, and my salary went up 15%. Switching companies would be a bigger raise obviously but that's a bigger step.

[@bucketofsteam9260]

the salary portion was on point. I was accidently told the salary range of my potential position by a new HR assistant during the initial phone call so during my real interview in person when they asked me what my salary expectations were, I knew that I had done really well during that interview so I said the max they were ever going to offer. Now I didn't get that amount but when they sent me an offer, it was a lot closer to that number than I would have said.

[@cecarrasco]

Joshua is right! In 2017, I was entry-level making 43k a year in Southern California. Flash forward to now, I just signed an offer for 175k, while living in colorado and working remotely in the same field. I have had an average tenure of 1.4 years at each job i've had over the past 4 years. Granted now, I work in the startup world and salaries in tech startups is always a bit higher. He is 100% right on everything here!

[@hassanali-ys7qn]

what degree

[@MrKago1]

corporate: but but but, where's your company loyalty? yeah, where's the company's loyalty to the employees? I don't get how they can not give you a raise in 5 years then turn around and ask why people aren't more loyal to the company. what's worse is its usually a supervisor that says that who leaves like a year later.

[@edwinnochebuena1214]

I though I was the only one who though this way... also your company is not your family. Do not ever get attach to it.

[@edwinnochebuena1214]

hey last company i being working in the past year actually raise me 20% in six months and started giving me bonuses ... if you are reallly good at what you do some companies will appreciate.

[@lshepherd5859]

this is so true. i asked a raise and presented my achievements . they laughed at me.

[@TheKrazyKat89]

I like this strategy. I guess the most important factor is figuring out how long (how short?) you need to stay at a job before switching without being found out as a job hopper. I'm also guessing that going to management and telling them "hey there's this other job I'm qualified for that's paying 30% more, can you guys match that salary or should I switch now?" wouldn't go over well...

[@sameasnow]

i'd say about a year at the minimum to maintain a reasonable job history unless the right oppurtunity beats on your door, with two looking solid. no point waiting any longer than that if skill development and pay is better elswhere.

[@CTSSTC]

I remember being at a meeting at our University where a local business owner was giving tips, and saying how it looks negative to hop to higher paying jobs. Then again they didn't pay well with high expectations. If they wanted to retain people there could pay them better :P or they understand their churn due to such. Also if they can make you feel like you need to stay there for whatever silly reason then they're going to be the ones benefiting. Use these jobs as resume builders where needed and jump ship when you can. Your future and current situation is always most important. I think it's also expected in this industry too. It's no longer like our parents that worked at the same job for 20-30 years. Plenty of businesses will use and abuse you as a resource, ready to toss you away when they want to make their board members happy showing profits and growth. You might as well play the same game. Not all business will be like this, but surely most large corporate businesses will.

[@GamingTaylor]

@@sameasnow What if the job is entry level shit and you hate it?

[@gamingsportz3390]

Don't match, just go and get the 30% and show it to everyone by doing good work at the new company. The next switch after 4-5 years(managers tend to stay longer) you have a proof that you are worth the 30-40% more money. :]

[@cameronvadnais4388]

@@CTSSTC I've never understood that advice. "Don't leave your current job for a better paying job too soon. You might need that current job to put on your resume to get a better paying job in the future." What?

[@indoorfish55]

You have no idea how much this video spoke to me. I literally just accepted an offer for double my salary and wondered (only for a brief second) if the counter offer I was getting should even be considered. I'm sure moving on is the right choice. I did my time and my boss only now realized my worth because another company saw it first.

[@mikerotch4875]

He just made a video addressing this issue recently. Basically, they give you the money, get what they need out of you short term, and can you.

[@mulasien]

Never take the counter offer.

[@indoorfish55]

@@mikerotch4875 haha I think you're talking about the video that made me subscribe to this channel in the first place

[@crunchycoconut3214]

I'm 6 months into my internship (graduating in 4), it pays peanuts but at least I'm gaining that experience...today they gave me a speech about the value of family and being with a company while it's growing and not caring too much for money lol. I had to come back to this video for motivation Edit: Thanks everyone for the replies! Some good news, I started a new job this month with a 500% pay increase!!😊😊 Ended up staying at my internship for 16months. I could write a book with the abuse I put up with. Anyway, lessons learned: company can flare desperation and being ambitious and hard working can and will be used against you.

[@Rclsllh]

🤣🤣

[@yoshuatree8538]

Lmao find a new job if they're having talks like that. Internships are just an excuse to not pay people

[@QiwiPear]

when they start with the family shit it's time to find another job

[@porscheguy6972]

those are red flags my friend, theyre slapping you in the face of your own work

[@kylereyes2337]

Run

[@waittea3742]

This is the kind of video that lasts for 10 min but might impact your life for year. You've done a really good job !!

[@arturfil]

Talking to other people about your salary in or outside of work is good becuase it gives a true perspective on the market regardless whether you like or not the amount you get paid.

[@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784]

I agree if the person you are chatting to is on the same level as you or senior to you, if they are junior then its only going to aid the other party and not yourself.

[@charlieoocharlie9466]

@@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784 but my colleagues are not open to share their salaries. What should I do? They won't reveal it.

[@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784]

@@charlieoocharlie9466 Check on Glassdoor if your company is large, it may give you a idea on salaries they pay. Otherwise its checking what other jobs pay with identical circumstances

[@charlieoocharlie9466]

@@SecretOfMonkeyIsland784 Glassdoor salaries seems to be wrong when I checked last. My salary on Glassdoor is less than what I actually get. Also, my colleagues won't share their salary info to me since I feel they think that they might have gotten more raise and it might make me more greedy and I can use their salary as leverage while discussing about my raise.

[@ShadowCourier]

This video is literally why I switched companies and got a massive raise. I'm no longer a "Junior UI/UX Developer" but now an "Angular Software Developer". Same job, different title. Screwed myself on the negotiation part however, as I started way too low and they accepted the number right away. Still aa 55% pay increase so I shouldn't complain. Thanks, Josh!

[@bigchunk1]

Why is it the strategy for a company to make you leave by refusing to give you a raise? Isn't the hiring process frustrating enough for these people? Why not try to keep people instead? It's probably less expensive that way and it probably would make the organization more effective.

[@roarbahamut9866]

There are a lot of dipsh*ts in middle management.

[@nurainiarsad7395]

You’d think so, and yet that’s what they do. Even when the teams themselves have a pipeline plan to groom successors (advisable for teams meant to be deep science experts), sometimes some HR arbitrary decision means oh they can’t place a senior role in this or that region, oh we decided to remove your ability to promote in your team and all roles must be open for general application even though it’s very niche, so all of a sudden the employee that you’ve handpicked and trained can’t be promoted. it’s literally easier to hire someone from outside than to budget for training the people you already have even though it’s actually cheaper to do the second thing in the long term. HR policies don’t care, it’s political.