The Twinstick - SEGA's Answer To Mecha

GET READY! Born from the arcades, SEGA's Twinstick gave mecha enthusiast one of their first real chances to feel like they were at the controls of one of these metal clad behemoths. But with all good things there comes a catch. These are my experiences, my trials, and my tribulations with SEGA's answer to mecha.
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[@alexmaafck7139]

I actually love the twin sticks with GunGriffon. It took me a while to get used to it but after I let go the fact you can’t turn your turret, it is so much fun regardless. It’s a whole new challenge now and I think it’s my preferred way to play

[@alexmaafck7139]

Also after doing some testing, MechWarrior 2 plays outstanding with the twin sticks. You should check it out sometime man

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

THE CURSE OF OUT GODS IN ULLYSSES31:INTERDICTION/OR WAS IT:INTRODUCTION..

[@alexnostalgix]

Virtual On is probably my most memorable arcade game tbh. May need to get one of these

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

When coupled with the sticks VO is a completely different experience on Saturn. Really does bring the arcade home.

[@blankname8553]

I adore my Saturn and grew on on a Genesis, yet I never once got a chance to go in a real arcade until recently... Sadly now they are all digital trash machines. I wish I had gotten a chance in the 90s...

[@SaturnSteve]

Dude, these videos are well formatted, well-paced, and the editing is KILLER. Stoked that I found your channel!

[@coryrabbit]

Love your videos, man. You've actually managed to bring new perspective to this stuff instead of regurgitating what's already all over KZbin.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Really appreciate it man, hope to be back making videos soon. Just a few more months on the road and I'll be due for some much needed home/studio time.

[@BassForever]

Would be curious to hear your thoughts on Bulk Slash with the twin sticks since the new English patch adds support for it.

[@redninja8377]

Best vid to date bro, going from strength to strength! Super informative as always!

[@jd-py5nm]

I'll never forget using this in the arcade. Id love to have one of these perfect or not

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

They're cheap still brother, get you one!

[@ClockedIt]

Sometimes great accessory ideas don't quit work out, but we appreciate the effort when things are tried and Sega tried a lot in this department. I salute your efforts after the initial brkoen controller as well as that crippling your Saturn, personally that would have pushed me over the edge heh. Great review, always love your attention to detail in your videos, makes me want to be better haha!

[@superdupersubby]

This video made me want to buy Virtual On with the twin sticks. It'll be on my bucket list now, great video as always :)

[@MegatechBody]

Amazing video and journey. I stumbled onto your channel when I saw a comment from Sega Saturn SNK on your Switch Panzer Dragoon video (which was also great btw). Virtual On is one of my favorite games and I’ve been fortunate enough to find a cabinet in the wild in the last few years. It was just as magical an experience as it was in the 90s when I pumped dollar bills into the one at the mall arcade. I’ve long since abandoned retro gaming and collecting, but the twin sticks were never within reach back then. It’s nice to see that they have come down in price. With regard to the controls, the elder pilots swear by the pad. It shortens and simplifies inputs, allowing you to reach far greater speed and precision than the sticks. Jump canceling and auto-targeting are key and will immediately give you a monumental edge against the competition when you learn them. I recommend digging through old VO content from Netlink players if you haven’t witnessed it already. It will change the way you see the game. Thanks again. I look forward to more content.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I have indeed been looking into those techniques. Once I'm actually proficient, I'm hoping to make a video to help teach others the same.

[@MegatechBody]

The Southern Sega Gentleman That would be awesome and a huge service to the community. Feel free to send any questions my way. I would be happy to help.

[@ForeverWinter1812]

I feel you on a spiritual level here. I picked my twin stick up and it made virtual on just a pleasure. I haven't tried the other games yet I completely understand where you're coming from. I personally suck with dual analog stick so I'm kind of interested in seeing how I do. Fun side note. I modded my twin stick with a retro bit Bluetooth Saturn controller. Works great. I mapped out the inputs with Street Fighter Alpha. It was very simple and straightforward.

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

THE REVOLUTION WILL BE:LIES.

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

THE REVOLTS WILL BE:"LIES."ULYSSES 31.

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

SALAMANDERS.

[@ForeverWinter1812]

​@@albanmahoudeau1779wut???

[@dbnpoldermans4120]

Never tried it, but good to know to only use it with VO. Thanks for this great review video of the stick

[@pt_samurai474]

The long awaited Twin Stick video!!! Superb as always. Sorry the first Twin Stick messed up your controller port :(

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

It is what it is man, still enjoyed the whole journey, both the up's and the down's. Glad you enjoyed it man, shouldn't take me all that much longer to have the gungriffon II retrospective out soon.

[@wiredupretro]

Really enjoyed the video. Thank you for making it.

[@polynektar]

Cool video! I bought these in Japan many years ago, and got the DC adapter and USB adapter. That makes the Saturn twin sticks work with so many versions of Virtual On (console sequels + arcade emulators), that it is totally worth it.

[@DDRMR]

Fuck it's so nice to meet a fellow Gun Griffon 2 fan. Never tried it with the Twin Stick but tbh, I was always a controller guy with every game I ever played (even arcade to console ports).

[@smokingCatCo]

Great video hope you get more viewers!

[@BigHilm]

Just ordered myself a set with the repro copy of Bulk Slash with English translation & twin stick support.

[@JoypadDivison]

I thought it was only supported by Virtual On and Panzer Dragoon Zwei. Never even played the other games shown... and I've had my Saturn since early 1996. Great videos you put out.

[@ConversusVans]

After a satisfying eBay purchase I made of Virtual-On for my Saturn console and the Twin Stick, I stumbled upon this vid showing them in action. Fortunately, mine did not have a faulty pin, but I can imagine tearing my hair out seeing those ghost inputs lol. The Twin Stick makes V-On so much fun by dashing and blasting Virtualoids away. I played the original arcade cabinet years ago over at Mountasia here in SC, but that place is LONG gone sadly. :(

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Glad to hear you didn't have to slog through the same hurdles I did with finding a working unit. And dont worry, I haven't seen a functioning cabinet in person for more than a decade, so I feel that last bit.

[@belojah2]

I love your honesty in this. I use an arcade stick in every game I can (I play puyo puyo and speed runners on a stick) I have a saturn and I'm just waiting for a memory to get started. I've been eyeing up getting twin sticks for one of these consoles and based on this, I think I'll get it for the dreamcast. You didn't talk me out of it I but I might even see if I can get that twin stick for the Japanese ps4 and use my Brooks adapter to use it on the dreamcast

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I had hoped to show that the sticks are a mixed bag. I really enjoyed them with V.O., but i've yet to try out any other renditions of them. I'm pretty sure my next step down this road will be to get the Saturn to DC adapter and try out Oratorio Tanagram.

[@robertdanker6193]

SSG, great video!! Never see anyone cover this controller, sorry to hear that your Saturn got messed up for a subpar accessory.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

It's all good brother, I've got a replacement board on the way. So I should be back up to two fully running Saturns in no time.

[@rimjobledouche5201]

There wasn't a single arcade game I played more than Virtual On. I searched far and wide for an Oratorio Tangram cabinet, and never did. To this day, it remains a pipe dream. I'd settle for the Horii Xbox 360 twin sticks at this point.

[@barry-allenthe-flash8396]

The only Virtual On I've played (and own) is Oratorio Tengram for the Dreamcast, which looks like it controls a bit better with a standard pad since it sort of has an auto-lock and auto-turns you when you jump to face your opponent iirc. It definitely does _something_ - watching the footage here, and hearing you talk about struggling to turn and keep up with your opponent, definitely doesn't look or sound like how Virtual On DC handled it. Really though, this vid just makes me wanna plug in the old Dreamcast and give it a whirl again to check to see if my memory's correct here :P At any rate, awesome video and overview of this joystick and these games. Love this channel; glad I've discovered it - everything you do is gold, man!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Oh I'm still shit at VO man 🤣 I've tried numerous playstyles and tried implementing a number of tips, but I've just never got the hang of it. The gameplay is just different from almost anything else. But bad at it or not, I still love the franchise. The sticks really did turn up the fun factor 10 fold though, and took me back to those days back in 98 playing on a real cab.

[@danmakuman]

With the Twin Sticks on the DC you still have auto lock when you jump or dash. It works well because also you have the chance to do some movement manually without the need to do those actions first.

[@HellTantrumbull]

Seeing this video makes me glad that I always checked and clean the controller plugs when I got new controllers and sticks from amazon because the people selling the items never make an effort clean them before selling them. I even had to give a genesis game I bought 3 years a hard scrubbing because the cart was very dirty and could have ruined the cart slot if I just stuck it in there without inspecting first.

[@FrontierSetter]

Oh man, awesome episode. I LOVED Virtual ON: Operation Moongate. I had the PC version and I played it to death. As with you, I only found out about the twinsticks later in life. Great soundtrack selection from the OST too, really brings me back. I found it was charming how each of the virtuoid mechas had little Sega Saturn consoles mounted to their backs. I feel like the gameplay still holds up today. I only wish they re-released the game for modern consoles or even ported it officially to steam or something.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I wish SEGA would just port all the games in a compilation to modern consoles and steam. And of course put out some top notch sticks to go with it!

[@FrontierSetter]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman same! They're sitting on a gold mine of awesome IPs and all we get is a Sonic movie here in the west lol. As is life 😭

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

They would have been better making a Ugandan Knuckles movie man 🤣🤣🤣 Now that I would have paid to see!

[@The8BitDuke]

My saturn currently has a fun issue where i have to push the RGB cable against the port in order for the signal to work. I bet a pin is loose somewhere in the console, so I'm preparing to do surgery myself! Excellent video! Like the backstory with the stick and the pacing of the review. Keep it up!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Appreciate it brother! I tried to do some surgery on the CB board first, but I cant really find any issue or shorts. I do have another board on the way, I'm just hoping it works as advertised. Good luck on yours as well man.

[@RileyZilla1001]

Non related question: how do you use the beam sabers in Blue Destiny? I could never figure it out.

[@PandaMoniumReviews]

Quality video. It's about time someone made a full, well done review of this thing. Great shooting too, your rack focus at 8:38 made me nut. Also, wild story about the first one you ordered. My best guess is Sony "modified" a few models after they "fell off the truck."

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

🤣🤣🤣 damn it boy! A nut and a conspiracy all in one day LOL

[@alexanderroberts3855]

2019 year of the Saturn!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That it is!

[@Amasloth]

Every year is the year of the Saturn

[@neogenesis7706]

Really concidering getting the twin sticks now. Havr virtual on but havent given the time it deserves.

[@nascarbryant]

Thx for your Translation of Gun Griffon 2🙏🏻

[@wonderfulwardy]

Hi again SSG! This is a great documentry of the Virtual Twin Sticks. Don't worry, I had the same hurdles to overcome with using these while playing Virtual On. I will take your word for it that they are mostly used for that game and not the others. BTW, Don't know if you are aware of this but if you absolutely love Virtual On, you should try out the Dreamcast game 'Oratorio Tangram' with the Dreamcasts Twin Sticks next. It's known by many fans to be the best game in the series. Finally, there is a better and more enhanced port of the original game for the Japanese PS2's Sega Ages 2500 series which I also highly reccommend. However, I am not sure if any Twin Sticks were even made available to buy on the PS2. Gonna look into that now.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Own both OT and the 2500 release brother 👍 whether I'm good at em is a different story 🤣

[@leocalinawan8429]

To keep the oponent on sight, use the jump function as often as possible combined with the rapid descent...then you got some grips on the control scheme of the twinsticks. To execute a rapid descent is the opposite of jump...my only gripe is that they didn't make a boost function after a jump but that was fixed on oratorio tangram.

[@charaznable5497]

ahh yes mecha I love the smell of burnin propelant in the mornin, congrats on publishing another video ssg mecha is always damn cool! siege zeon!

[@KeiNova]

I'm actually trying to get a hold of one of these on Buyee. It's going to be a while, but I'm determined to do so.

[@BrianLube]

I've always been fascinated by them, but not enough to drop the cash for them. I still would love to try the dual mission stick concept, too.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That's the one I really wanna try out man. I think the mission stick would be a badass way to play.

[@segare-trop-vieux3932]

Gundam side story 3 is great with the twin stick. Great video as always

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I wish I had you experience with it man. But with that standard pad, I absolutely love it.

[@TheBdomijan]

well with this here video you have earned another subscriber!!! love it man!! now I gues I am going to have to go back and watch all of your other ones as well. seeing as we are about the same age and taste in games/consoles I am looking forward to this journey bro! question : what game was shown at about 12:50 of this video? a cool looking FPS that I can not place for some odd reason, thank so much and keep the vids coming!!!!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Appreciate it man! That time stamp is the very end of the video though. I featured Gungriffon Blaze (PS2), High-Macs Simulator (PC), and Killzone 2 (PS3) towards the end of the video if that helps.

[@TheBdomijan]

oops my bad!! I had meant 11:50 actually, and I guess that would be that High Macs Sim (PC) which I will be checking out a.s.a.p. thanks!!!!@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Not a problem brother, I'll be covering it in detail later on as well as a gungriffon inspired mod for ARMA III.

[@RogueBeatsARG]

Gungriffon for some reason looks pretty realistic for an old DOS looking game

[@OtherMomo]

aw dang you tellin me i could have been piloting the Blue Destiny when i was too busy collecting pokemon

[@neozeed1984]

have you tried the flight stick with those games?not sure how its supported but it gives more precise analog control than the regular 3d pad.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Never had the chance to use one besides once 10 or so years ago at a friends. I'm looking forward to the chance though, just got to find a good deal.

[@Silvergun_Raven]

Incredible video! I may have to track down a CiB since it's not too terribly expensive. It can't be as difficult as using the Steel Battalion controller on the original Xbox haha!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That's the one controller and game I REALLY wanna get my hands on man!

[@SunChipss]

I have a pair of twin sticks (expensive as fuuuhh) for my Dreamcast for Virtual-On and it really is amazing. There’s another game it works for, an fps called Outtrigger and like you said, modern habits hamper that experience.

[@nekoken]

Thanks for this. I always wanted one of these sticks and never bought one. Virtual On was always a pain to play back in the day with the controller. I played through and beat the Gundam Side Stories and always wanted to revisit them with the twin stick. But I think I'd be in the same boat as you. I've been playing games with dual analog since Sony released it in Japan. I'm doubtful I could play well with it. Even games like Metroid Prime with a Gamecube controller throw me a bit.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Damn muscle memory is one hell of a SOB man! Sometimes I wish I could go back and experience these games before having the knowledge and experience I do today.

[@threadthathasnoend1212]

I've only used it for Virtual on on the saturn. And I may be biased (look at my profile pic) but I love it. I have also played around with a usb adapter and used it with the windows version of the original Virtual on and emulated versions of the original arcade, oratorio tangram, and MARZ. All of those work great, as expected. I played around with it in some modern fps games and space sims like elite dangerous for laughs. The fact it's digital means it's not great for non-arcade style games, but I think it's the only way to play what it was designed for.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Agreed, like I said at the end of the vid, when used as it was originally intended, it's an absolutely amazing peripheral and completely changes the game. But for FPS, it's just not what I wished it was. Still playable, but not the anolog experience we needed.

[@thescopedogable]

Another great video buddy keep it up 👍

[@fearanarchy]

If you extend Twin Stick usage to the Dreamcast, I can say I love mine. I bought 2 for a perfect arcade reenactment. The one thing that carried over from Saturn to Dreamcast is game-specific peripherals. Almost all Japanese-only, as their market seems to endorse that level of fandom. I do feel you on trying to find additional games to use for a cool controller. The one thing though is that their button layout was specific for VO. Few other games can be "dumbed down" to 4 buttons and still feel fluid. Gundam looked like it could be ok. But you explaining GG2 reminded me, and I could sense-memory, your pain.

[@SomaCruz29]

Hey man, can you help me out? I want to buy these sticks to use on my Dreamcast for Virtual-On, but the Total Control 3 is sold out everywhere and I don't know any alternate method to use these sticks.

[@fearanarchy]

@@SomaCruz29 The prices on Dreamcast Twin Sticks are rather reasonable from Japan. They seem to be far lower than the USA rese,ellers on eBay. Both of mine came from Japan and have had no issues

[@SegaLordX]

Good stuff here. I like the bold honesty that you don't enjoy using the sticks for much outside of Virtual On. I think it's something many would agree with. It's a peripheral made with one game in mind, and then adapted to work with a few others.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That's the real rub man. What the Saturn really needed was a dual analog equivalent. That would have drastically changed how some of theses games handled.

[@SegaLordX]

This is actually one area I felt Sega was really behind Sony. It continued on to the DC too, a controller I actually disliked quite a bit in both design and lack of a second stick.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I didnt mind the DC controller honestly, but that lack of a second stick was outright stupid on Sega's part. With as innovative as their first party releases during that era were, I still dont understand how they made so many mistakes. No DVD drive, 2nd thumb stick, only 6 buttons, and the list goes on.

[@MadPanicGaming]

There are still Virtual On cabinets scattered around out here so I've used the sticks in the arcade but never on the Saturn. I can say that I'm not very adept at this regardless, but I still had a good time with it.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

The sticks just make piloting a mech cool. It's not crazy in depth, but for what it is, its pretty fun.

[@naswinger]

dual analog sticks? i still can't use them. mouse & keyboard 4tw.

[@Inkbot01]

Awesome video! I absolutely adore virtual on, so I had to get the twin sticks. I also love Gundam SS on a pad, which is why I completely agree with your analysis. I have to say though, I really want to give Gungriffon 1 or 2 a go, but all the complaints about it's frustrating controls keep me at bay. What do you suggest?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I honestly think anyone can enjoy gungriffon 1 and 2 with a pad, plus 2 is the only twinstick compatible game between the two. It takes time to learn the controls, but once you've got it mastered it's an absolutely amazing experience man.

[@aortaplatinum]

Man it sucks that they're really only good with Virtual On as someone living in [CURRENT YEAR], I'd totally pick em up just for VO if both the game and the controller weren't as expensive as they are. Thanks for making this video, just tried Gungriffon and hated the controls, and I thought the TS would make it better.

[@AIexanderthefake]

Turn and movement, for that game so you can go one way, and look the other, the radar will help

[@jeffcross9960]

has anyone used these twin sticks on a PC? (using the Mayflash Sega Saturn controller Converter for PC)

[@dionbaker5484]

Great video! Inquiring minds want to know... Bulk Slash + Saturn Twin Stick... thoughts?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

It would be interesting, but unfortunately it's not supported. But honestly, I think it works just fine as is.

[@RonkeyRong]

Loved virtual on. The game was amazing but it's unfortunate both the pc and Saturn ports couldn't match up to the arcade versions. I only own it on Saturn these days but still have fun with the just the pad

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I could never play it properly with a standard pad man, I've tried for years, but still nothing. Glad some people can do it though.

[@RonkeyRong]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman the sticks are definitely a lot more fun and thr satisfaction of something as simple as jumping feels so much nicer on a stick. I need to give the "newer" ports a look one day as well. I heard the Japan exclusive 360 port is pretty damn good and there is a virtual on stick for 360 as well

[@TheRealGara]

Cool review. I've never been terribly impressed with the Saturn version of the stick. They did it right on the Dreamcast release. The build quality is much higher and more arcade like. It's hard to justify paying the going rates just for a single game, but I hope you can get your hands on one eventually. The difference in quality between the two sticks is night and day. I can't say I use the sticks for any other game but Virtual On. Hori did a version for the Xbox 360 called the Twin Stick EX. It went for a rather large sum at release. It has since become quite rare. I hear it's pretty awesome.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I've yet to get my hands on the DC stick, but I'll more than likely just end up using the Saturn to DC adapter and use this one. I agree, the going rates for the DC Twinstick are way to high considering it's only supported by one game.

[@alexmaafck7139]

DC twin sticks are awesome for Outtrigger

[@trevor_mounts_music]

So this is why Virtual On feels totally wrong! Need a freakin' twin stick bro 😂

[@matthewconley7568]

I am curious if you would want to do a video on the subject of Sega games on the PC Platform. I am interested in seeing what titles exist from the Genesis to the Saturn era.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That's an interesting idea honestly. I never played any of SEGA's PC ports besides the original Panzer Dragoon. Will definitely look into it.

[@matthewconley7568]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman Super sweet. Thanks!

[@vyperii]

A video worth waiting for again chap. I've got to disagree over the efficiency of the sticks though. I've never owned my own set at home, but, as I may have mentioned once or twice on the Junkyard, I happened to be quite (ahem) good at Virtual On. I was able to beat the game on hardest in just over 3 minutes start to finish. We had an arcade cabinet at my local cinema, so I took great pride inpopping a pound coin in each time I visited and whipping through the game where nobody else could get past Vyperii (It's in my google name is how obsessed I was with Virtual On). I could never match the times I was setting at home though (I had to use a 35mm camera to take photos to send to games mags for rankings!). It seemed that nobody worldwide was managing this either. The key with the pads is to take advantage of the dash lock-on, the various variations of main attacks (especially as characters like vyper II whose alternate attacks are several times more efficient than standard attacks) and the jump cancel. You simply can't perform these moves quickly enough or with such precision using the sticks due to the extra amount of travel and the lack of the very precise d-pad. Once you have learned that you never need to rotate your virtuaroid as long as you are using the dash lock-on, your game will change entirely. Anyway though, awesome video brother. Can't wait for the next one. Any chance we're getting that DOA follow up?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

You did mention that on a previous post on my page I believe. I'm gonna have to take you up on some of that advice. I mean I have really, I MEAN REALLY, tried for years with the pad, but damn I can't do it. We'll see though. And Part two of the DOA retrospective is in the scripting process now. Probably 3 or 4 videos till it comes out. But this is an honest question. I can either pump them out as I get to them, or I could put all 4 unreleased parts (Ultimate 2 - DOA6) out consecutively once I finish them all. Thoughts?

[@vyperii]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman I'd love to do a Virtual On with pad tutorial video but I just don't have the equipment (or time!) to do one justice! With regards to the video, I honestly prefer the slightly longer running videos, as you can just settle in and feel more immersed in the dialogue- this way, points you bring up about the games can be related from one to the next more easily. However, I'm no content creator and I'm not sure how that affects any views, rankings, youtube promotion or even monetisation of the videos, So I'm possibly not the perfect person to ask. I'm sure I'll enjoy them however you choose to release them chap.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

KZbin ia a finicky creature, it really does want creators to post regularly and at least once a week, something I'm absolutely dreadful at honestly 🤣 I think the best way to keep the series going though would be to get all four videos done or at least somewhat complete before I start releasing them. They'll each be covering three games a piece minus 6. Yes I do consider all 3 separate releases of DOA5 as individual games, I'll be sure to explain that in the video of course.

[@vyperii]

The Southern Sega Gentleman with that many parts, as opposed to just one, then for sure, spread them the way you think it will benefit the channel best. I genuinely didn't realise there was any difference between the versions of DOA5 outside the number of characters- are the story scenes different in any way? I've got Last Round only, as I've always tried to wait for 'final' or goty editions so that I am not encouraging micro transactions in games (which is pretty hard with DOA- although I've enjoyed 6 with just the game from the disc and no dlc so far). Now I'm really looking forward to the video to see what the differences are!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

There were small tweaks made between releases, and it was the first real instance of a DOA game recieving that many rereleases. It's an interesting piece of history for the franchise that I want to give a full spread.

[@Chocoburger]

Another great video, I've had my Twin Sticks for about 22 years now, and all this time I've only believed it to work with Virtual On. In the end it doesn't matter if I had know about the other games or not, since it seems that those games simply don't control well with the Twin Sticks anyway, so I'm not missing out on anything. But for Virtual On alone? Yeah they're worth it! It would have been amazing if SEGA USA and EU had supported the Saturn properly like they did in Japan, then it would have actually sold a lot better. (*sigh*) What could have been.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

SEGA most certainly dropped the ball during the 5th gen man. The Saturn had so much potential, but it cant be helped now. I do know a few people who adore the Gundam games and Gungriffon II with the sticks, but man I couldnt do it.

[@Chocoburger]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman If nothing else, I at least want to try those games with my Saturn 3D control pad. :)

[@tsunamirider9895]

Great video! I have the Saturn twin sticks as well which are indeed awesome, and it's great playing Virtual On that way. Really, the only game on the Saturn that I have that supports it. I also have the adapter so I can use it on the Dreamcast for VOOT, another great Virtual On game and really great way to play it. My dream is to one day get another Saturn, 2 copies of Virtual On netlink edition, two netlinks, and link up two saturns and two twin sticks for some multiplayer game play.. It'd be cool to be able to round all that up, but highly unlikely.

[@SomaCruz29]

Which adapter did you use for the Dreamcast if I may ask?

[@tsunamirider9895]

@@SomaCruz29 I believe it was the Total Control 3.

[@SomaCruz29]

@@tsunamirider9895 Dang! I was hoping it was another one because I can't find the TC3 anymore haha. Thank you for your quick response though, I really appreciate it.

[@AIexanderthefake]

Damn this looks good

[@jamalspencer2099]

I have the sticks on the dreamcast love them

[@dandrawsit4915]

When using the standard controller dashing and shooting is the key to keeping an eye on your opponent

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I'll try to give that a shot again, but I've tried a few different techniques and still haven't been able to do much with a standard controller.

[@dandrawsit4915]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman I struggled with the controls at first to the point to where I thought that maybe this game wasn't for me, I took a break for a few months, came back to it during the summer and after some practice it clicked somehow

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Appreciate it brother, I'll take you up on that advice.

[@bradleyadams4496]

I think they will be bringing back gun griffin when they start streaming games and will likely have analog first person play.

[@jaimdiojtar]

damm such voice you have! why only 5600 subs? with that voice you shoiuld have over 100K already

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Working on the road for months on end, which leads to a lack of content. Glad you enjoyed it though!

[@jaimdiojtar]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman truck driver?... Hard job!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Industrial construction worker/supervisor, I build the world man.

[@jaimdiojtar]

@@TheSouthernSegaGentleman thats so cool! here people dont build streets only when there are elections lol, they mostly destroy the roads and re do it again to show they are doing "something" unlike real jobs like you, congrats on life!

[@blondejon1]

my experience was almost word for woed identical to yours. You hit the nail on the head with how sonys genius dual shock controller design shaped the way that we aproach nearly every aspect of gaming today. The reason we dont have the huge range of weird and wonderful controllers of yore is that todays pads fill every niche. That said i still prefer FPS games with a mouse and keyboard :) with an adapter you can usr the saturn twin stic kwith a dreamcast which of course had its own version. have you had any experience of using that mate?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

I with ya man, PC master race for FPS, but I do like many of the console exclusives such as killzone. Haven't had a chance to get the adapter yet, but it's on the to do list.

[@Zentron]

Try playing Wipeout with the Twin Sticks!

[@PeterDCOHanlon]

NICE video~

[@AlessandroSchiassi]

In Virtual On you should never try to rotate on yourself, just dash+shoot to automatically turn against the enemy. I only tried the Twin Stick on the arcade version but honestly I don't see that much advantage once you master using the pad. Ah, maybe the best button config is the one on the Dreamcast, with weapons on the triggers.

[@East_Texas_Gaming]

I want to use the sticks on a gamecube console some how for the zoids game

[@fearanarchy]

You ever play Steel Battalion on XBox?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Always wanted to man, but I missed that ship before the the required controller jumped up to stupid prices. I'm hoping that eventually Xbox emulation will be good enough, and allow for the game to be played properly.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

I know this is irrelevant to the video but i figured I might get a response quicker here than any other vids. I heard you talk about Albert Odyssey locking up in Shiro’s video on Grandia. I plan on getting a Repro from Etsy but now I’m unsure because what are the chances of receiving the version that locks up on you? An if not many people know about this the sellers most likely don’t either. So they’re probably selling copies that do that.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

The Gryzz only disc is the later revision of the game. Besides new disc art, there were a few tweaks made to the code that prevented the lockup. Honestly, the lock up is still pretty rare, and there's no guarantee it will happen everytime even on the same disc. The best way to mitigate the issue is to simply save often. The lock up normally happens near the last boss, so it's not like loosing 10 hrs of gameplay. As for how to ensure you get a repro of the later revision. I suppose just ask the seller where the image came from. Unless it's a backup of their own disc, they probably will have no way of guaranteeing which version it is.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

The Southern Sega Gentleman Guess i’m gonna have to test my luck a bit. But if its doesn’t happen every time. I suppose thats not too bad. Thought it was going to happen every time even after reloading. Appreciate it, thanks.

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

The Southern Sega Gentleman Quick question about the game. Spoilers for anyone that hasn’t played the game yet. When entering Radoria’s Floating castle. Did you ever experience any soft locking at the beginning where you hit the buttons to open the very first door? There is a room with two buttons and each time i hit the left button it doesn’t shut off and as soon as i get into a battle. The game softlocks on the battle screen and i can’t do anything at all. I’ve tested it multiple times and its always with that left button. 2:48 This is where specifically kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPHmn2XZs54otE When you get the chance. After some time off. Just don’t forget me :/

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

@@ThatOldSchoolMagic I haven't personally, but that is one of many issues in the late game. This is exactly why there was a reprint made, I can think of at least 5 different known issues that can cause the game to be unbeatable. If you are playing a legit copy, and cant get past this point even after reloading, then I suggest playing a burned copy if you can. There are a few different dumps online, but I personally know that the dark water dump has never given me issues. (My first copy of the game would always lock up so I had to resort to playing a burn to beat the game.) Hope that helps in some way brother, and no worries, I'll try my best to stay active with y'all until the channel goes back live. *edit: if you're already playing a repro at this point, then the image they used may also be the issue, or just the burn.*

[@ThatOldSchoolMagic]

The Southern Sega Gentleman Appreciate it brother. Enjoying the game so far. I believe i’m near the end already with the towers. Have a wonderful summer.

[@AtariBorn]

Yeah, just digital. You have to take two mission sticks, detach the stick from one and plug it into the "Sub" port on the other to get a dual analog setup. Can't remember which games support the dual analog setup as it's been years since I tried it.

[@seand3700]

Panzer Dragon Zwei.

[@AtariBorn]

@@seand3700 That's right. I remember playing it that way back in the day. Strange layout though

[@superbroly64DS]

I hope arcade1up makes a Virtual on and Virtua Fighter cabinet But dang I better be careful when I buy a twin stick I have to make sure my controller Port doesn't get screwed up

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

That would be pretty cool if they could actually work out the licensing.

[@nightmarezer0507]

I found this channel today and i like the 3 videos i watched so far. Everytime you say SSG all I can think of is "Super Shotgun". Doom is my favorite game ever so SSG has been burnt into my brain (If you didnt know that is what the Double Barrel is called in Doom2 "The Super Shotgun").

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

Glad you've enjoyed em!

[@nightmarezer0507]

I really liked the RE2 coverage on the Saturn. I never knew the port never came out. I was an N64 kid.

[@ignignxkt]

I personally loved them in the Gundam games. Ironically enough, no controls make sense to me for Virtual On. I just can't control that game to the level my brain wants to and thinks it theoretically could. Granted, I never played the Gundam games with the Saturn pad, so maybe that's why I enjoyed it. For Gungriffon, I've always hated the series, so I just never bothered. That said, for all the smiles the twin sticks brought me while playing Gundam, both the two games and the sticks were far too shallow for me to ultimately care about in the long run, and they were sold after a few months of neglect. The Gundam games were fun, but I found the sorties to be really short. By the time the boss was done, while it was fun, I felt like I had been robbed of a more fleshed out experience. Truthfully, I've never wished to have them back. For all the space they take up, and for the setup they need (don't work well on a lap, they need a desk or table for better use), they're just not worth it for such a pathetic amount of support. When I saw the Dreamcast ones that have even less use, I literally laughed out loud and kept scrolling on my browser. Not getting roped into that again...

[@AIexanderthefake]

I need that FUCKING game

[@lilazeonboa]

man... my first time playing virtual on when i was 8 years old lol. Literally i hog the arcade machine by winning against players. Still I play this game on ps5 using my modded sega saturn twin sticks. still freaking awesome =)

[@AIexanderthefake]

7:46 omfggg!

[@arkhamianotargos]

I am a lover of weird controllers but honestly I didn't like this one and sold it quiet quickly. Since the it is so much quicker (and a lighter feeling) to jump cancel in order to have your opponent in sight, the twin sticks are not really usefull. Furthermore, to be really steady, the controller should be attached solidly to your table or else it will move and it's no good.

[@SeekoGT]

GET READY!

[@devinmcgee5130]

10/10

[@JohnnyMatherson]

dayum man, 2 Saturns? What was the verdict on those?

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

My spare had a temperamental drive but a fully functioning MB and CB. So I swapped my drive and mod chip over to that unit. I have another controller board on the way, just hoping it works once I get it. 🤣

[@JohnnyMatherson]

The Southern Sega Gentleman cool and don’t plug in any arcade sticks lol

[@RavenShinyThings]

I have the dreamcast one and know what you mean

[@VirtualRobotsRevolt]

damn, that sucks that controller messed up your Saturn. That's scary to think about a controller can do that to a system and I bet an annoying and tough repair.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

It was definitely a headache, but its back up and running as my spare now.

[@HiddenAsbestos]

But it makes so much noise! Everyone else in the house loves it, they can't stop shouting about it!

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@CYTBlitz]

I didn’t know the Sega Saturn have so many mech games.

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

The Japanese Saturn library is so underrated and obscure from the public eye. It's chalked full of awesome titles.

[@noyukikun]

you know whenever i find a vo arcade cabinet the first thing i do is glitch the crap out of it for impossible times for fun but mostly for people to have that confused face when they see it xD

[@TheSouthernSegaGentleman]

🤣🤣🤣 that's evil and awesome all at the same time!

[@AIexanderthefake]

8:13' fuck yes

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

(9.56). LE JEU:DIABOLIQUE.GUNGRIFFON II .

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

Give me the ability to play :

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

PLAY GUNDAM(10.52)2 : furr NIRVANA.BOSS END.FURRIE CARIE VENGE CARRIE FISHER.

[@AIexanderthefake]

I'm so angry right now

[@AIexanderthefake]

I'm from the south deep south

[@LordSnoodles]

"periphrial"?

[@albanmahoudeau1779]

"THE HUSTLE-MAN.THE MUSSLE GANG. !"

[@user-qb6pi7ru5l]

내 컴퓨터 누가 해킹했어

[@G-zeus_M]

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