The Twisted and Disturbing Case of Miss Fannie Lillian Madison

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@kaseybrewer545
@kaseybrewer545 Жыл бұрын
Every Monday I look forward to finding out where we're going, and what year we're visiting. 🤗 Thank you for another fascinating story ripped from the pages of time! I don't know how you do it, but I'm sure glad that you do!!! Thank you BC!!!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Kasey
@meemurthelemur4811
@meemurthelemur4811 Жыл бұрын
Perfect description!🥰
@vinawaldren6888
@vinawaldren6888 Жыл бұрын
👍
@vickiewallace415
@vickiewallace415 Жыл бұрын
My work schedule is such that my work week begins on Friday…I actually save my brief case episodes for Thursday night as an incentive to get ready for work
@RightsForZombies
@RightsForZombies Жыл бұрын
This case is terribly sad, but I always look forward to monday because of Brief Case. He always tells the stories with so much empathy and respect.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@tati001
@tati001 Жыл бұрын
It’s a shame they didn’t have the luxury of DNA testing back then. 🥺
@healingandgrowth-infp4677
@healingandgrowth-infp4677 Жыл бұрын
They shouldn’t have needed it common sense would tell them there was not enough evidence to convict him of murder.
@l.s.s.8-8-16
@l.s.s.8-8-16 Жыл бұрын
How many people were convicted wrongfully... And how many got away? Tragic
@walkawaycat431
@walkawaycat431 Жыл бұрын
He asked someone for directions to the reservoir, she was found in the reservoir. He was engaged to someone else. I'd bet money he was guilty.
@SweetChicagoGator
@SweetChicagoGator Ай бұрын
​@@walkawaycat431 Absolutely the douchebag was guilty !! 💔
@thisravenhasflown010
@thisravenhasflown010 18 күн бұрын
Luxury? Or scientific advances? If religion didn't keep education down for 2000 years, DNA may have been found before now. Sadly, universities were burned and scientists called satanic. Life is what it is😊
@hollymorris785
@hollymorris785 Жыл бұрын
What a riveting case today! The old photographs you found for this one were particularly fascinating. Loved all the old farm and school photos!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Holly
@tessaducek5601
@tessaducek5601 Жыл бұрын
Same. 👍
@borleyboo5613
@borleyboo5613 Жыл бұрын
I love the narrators voice in these videos. And the creepy background music, plus the research. Combined, they make great viewing. 👍
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@Gunners_Mate_Guns
@Gunners_Mate_Guns Жыл бұрын
He really does have an excellent voice for this subject matter.
@mariatorres9789
@mariatorres9789 Жыл бұрын
I like that his music is never overwhelming or disrespectful. There are several channels I stopped watching, because they'll play crude heavy metal etc.
@jenniferryersejones9876
@jenniferryersejones9876 Жыл бұрын
My first thought was that it wasn't Thomas, but likely her father. Thanks, BC!
@sab5076
@sab5076 Жыл бұрын
Now that's a twist. He would have also had a reason to get rid of her from the sound of it.
@stonelingo1381
@stonelingo1381 Жыл бұрын
I've been following you for the past couple of years and i have to say this one of the saddest cases you ever told us about...poor Fanny 😢
@K-Mariposa
@K-Mariposa Жыл бұрын
Poor Fanny. She would have been better off being allowed to get the education she’d desired. Very sad for all involved. Thomas may or may not have done it - there wasn’t enough evidence to be conclusive either way….. Thank you BC.
@dbzgal04
@dbzgal04 Жыл бұрын
Parents don't always know best. SMH
@vidaliasoleil2714
@vidaliasoleil2714 Жыл бұрын
It is not only the people of the late 19th century who had a fascination with the macabre as a source of entertainment. Hence this channel!
@rickynieves3144
@rickynieves3144 23 күн бұрын
So true 😂
@cecelia1350
@cecelia1350 Жыл бұрын
Very sorry for Fanny, it seems the most important men in her life failed her in every way. For the father to throw away the opportunity for a free education so he could have a live in nanny is incredibly sad. Then for her cousin who apparently slept with multiple women, but was described as having “good” character to kill her is tragic. I don’t believe for a moment the aunt had the watch chain, why would she have something that belonged to her nephew? If he had left it at her house why did he wait until the trial to say something?
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
I have to agree. They played a role in her death. Had she had someone to stand up for her, perhaps her mother, then Fannie probably wouldn’t have died the way she did. Shame on her father and doubly shame on her cousin. Men who don’t keep promises or treat women like objects to be thrown out after their “usefulness” is gone are horrible. They need to be educated properly in how to treat people and if that doesn’t work…well…there’s always social media.
@SweetChicagoGator
@SweetChicagoGator Ай бұрын
​@@mirandagoldstine8548 Educated to properly treat people, is not what Killers are born to do !! 🤢😨
@HMMarks
@HMMarks Жыл бұрын
I’m a lifelong resident of Virginia and I’ve never heard of this case. I know where most of the places mentioned are, so this was especially interesting to listen to. Thanks!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@brendaholliday6866
@brendaholliday6866 Жыл бұрын
This was a very intriguing and yet sad case of a young pregnant single woman. The evidence definitely wasn't concrete enough for me to say if this was murder or suicide, period! May the souls of, Fannie Lillian Madison and her son, rest in eternal peace.🌹🌹Great investigating, presentation, historical information and photos, too.
@littlereddstar5264
@littlereddstar5264 Жыл бұрын
Poor Fannie. And it’s always interesting to see cases from your home state.
@marsha-madness-super-badness
@marsha-madness-super-badness Жыл бұрын
I get creeped out when I stumble across a crime story from my part of NY because nothing ever happens here. Too close to home.
@MG_330
@MG_330 Жыл бұрын
Nice, I can drink my coffee and listen to tragedy.
@marylevin9262
@marylevin9262 Жыл бұрын
🤣
@journeysalkebulan
@journeysalkebulan Жыл бұрын
This is such a sad case that this lady lost her life whether it suicide or murder. Thankfully in many places being unwed and pregnant isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.
@Amber-yq9ee
@Amber-yq9ee Жыл бұрын
Yeah, that ALWAYS gets to me too. For centuries SO MANY WOMEN (more so young girls) have faced being shunned & basically losing their entire lives & every dream they ever had bc they got pg out of wedlock. & Therefore got that large Scarlet Letter on their forehead & called all kinds of shameful names like Wh**e etc. Many of those young girls were forced into abortion, or hidden away forced to give birth in private & then the baby ripped from their screaming arms. So MUCH bad happened to them. & 1 of the things that was MOST unfair of all, it was only the women who ever suffered for this. The guys never faced any repercussions or consequences for getting them preg. (Not trying to bash guys or start a war of the sexes) just saying the ONLY ppl who suffered for these "indiscretions" were the ladies. & That's true for the ones who were forced & did not engage in ANY consensual intercourse. Just honestly glad that we've moved a little past that now!
@devong7124
@devong7124 Жыл бұрын
Times have changed so much teenagers having several babies not knowing who the Father's are or their names. No Shame. No morals. Don't even know what Shame or SIN IS. BACK in the Days, young women were taken advantage of, thought they were in love , going to get married, gave into their feelings. It was hard for them. Much sympathy for them.
@Wife_Mother_Failure
@Wife_Mother_Failure Жыл бұрын
@@devong7124 are you serious? You are judging them - no morals etc- yet you have sympathy?
@devong7124
@devong7124 Жыл бұрын
@@Wife_Mother_Failure Yes! I do have Sympathy. For all of them. Ignorance is not bliss.
@devong7124
@devong7124 Жыл бұрын
@@Wife_Mother_Failure you are judging me. Aren't you special. Human too.
@sksksksl
@sksksksl Жыл бұрын
Fascinating story. I live across the James River a mile or so from the location of this murder. I'd not heard of it before. Quite a sad situation.
@ELKE-
@ELKE- Жыл бұрын
Really happy to see how much your channel has grown! Soon it will be 4 year of excellent work. Thank you for your efforts B.Case
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much Elke :)
@ELKE-
@ELKE- Жыл бұрын
​@@BriefCaseOfficial You are very welcome B.C :)
@bobbyrutherford9359
@bobbyrutherford9359 Жыл бұрын
Brief Case never fails to please his viewers with great cases
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@joicain318
@joicain318 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy these vintage cases! More of these please!
@gr8flyerfan
@gr8flyerfan Жыл бұрын
Another interesting case I wasn't familiar with. You have a way of cutting through the nonsense and getting to the facts, as well as very respectful coverage of the cases.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@nancychisholm5399
@nancychisholm5399 Жыл бұрын
Monday morning, bright and early, coffee and Brief Case......life is good! Greetings and salutations all from Cabbagetown, Toronto.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Hi Nance, Hope all is good in wonderful Toronto :)
@evilpandagirl9
@evilpandagirl9 Жыл бұрын
I really enjoy forgotten Lives which lead me to Brief Case. Its one thing to read about times in history, its another to examine someones life from that era. Its been comforting learning about the trials and tribulations that each human experience echos back to the beginning of time. Its easy to forget that many figures in history didn't realize what part their lives were playing in the grand scheme of events.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
I really like the Forgotten Lives Channel :)
@lisageiger9841
@lisageiger9841 Жыл бұрын
Hi Brief Case! I’m so happy to be here today. I have to confess that ever time I hear that we are going to the U.S.A. I get a bit disappointed because I live here and I’m sure the stories can’t be as exciting as they are in England or Australia… lol. Wouldn’t it be great if they did a DNA test on the baby and settled it once and for all? I’m very undecided. At first I did think it was her cousin. It actually wasn’t such a wrong thing to be involved with your cousin back in the King Henry days so maybe it wasn’t so shocking then as it was being unmarried. I now wonder if it was her father. Why was her so harsh on her? Why did he insist on her coming back? Especially if he wasn’t rich. Wouldn’t he be glad not to have another mouth to feed? Why couldn’t she write her Aunt? Something was going on that he didn’t want found out. Awesome case. I so love you Brief Case
@seanvanderstruys5196
@seanvanderstruys5196 Жыл бұрын
I started watching obsolete oddities first then found this channel.
@ChildfreeMatto
@ChildfreeMatto Жыл бұрын
This is fantastic! To have caught up on your previous videos, now to have a new one to enjoy. 🥰 Thank you, Brief Case for your continued excellence in each one you publish for our enjoyment. 😁
@hammersandnails1458
@hammersandnails1458 Жыл бұрын
I live in Richmond and have never heard of this case. This was very well done, as I have come to expect from this channel.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@jessicafain6630
@jessicafain6630 Жыл бұрын
This was a difficult one. I'm not sure what happened. Hopefully he wasn't put to death for no reason. So much anguish came from unwed pregnancy back then. I feel lucky to not have been a woman in those days. Thank you, Mr. Case. I've once again been entertained by your storytelling. 🥰
@obscurelyvague
@obscurelyvague Жыл бұрын
"Jessica Fain" a lot of people would say those were the good ol' days because people took care of each other and did not stay home watching TV but were outside in the fresh air.
@Wife_Mother_Failure
@Wife_Mother_Failure Жыл бұрын
@@obscurelyvague what’s stopping you?
@Psyche0delic
@Psyche0delic Жыл бұрын
With Roe vs Wade overturned, it is not any better to be a woman now.
@Flamsterette
@Flamsterette Жыл бұрын
After this draining weekend's death events for Mom, I look forward to hearing from Brief Case and the historical news that he has chosen.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Last week must have been very difficult, my sincerest condolences for you at this time, take care - BC
@CrystalBbyUSA
@CrystalBbyUSA Жыл бұрын
Im so sorry for your loss
@Flamsterette
@Flamsterette Жыл бұрын
@@BriefCaseOfficial Thank you so much.
@Flamsterette
@Flamsterette Жыл бұрын
@@CrystalBbyUSA Thank you, Crystal.
@julielevinge266
@julielevinge266 Жыл бұрын
You always manage to find the most fascinating cases for us. Much appreciated ✊♥️
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@michellevasquez2131
@michellevasquez2131 Жыл бұрын
I personally believe that Thomas was guilty of murdering his cousin. The fact that she was pregnant, and his cousin, and that he was engaged to somebody else would've just ruined everything for him. I highly doubt that she committed suicide, why would she have waited until she was 8 months pregnant to do so? Times sure have changed since theirs and ours that's for sure, being an unwed mother these days is common and not frowned upon. I Love listening to all of these Brief Cases, thank you.
@barbarajohnson3876
@barbarajohnson3876 Жыл бұрын
Sadly, red states, in amerikkka, are bringing back the shame of being unwed, and preg
@TheRetirednavy92
@TheRetirednavy92 Жыл бұрын
@@barbarajohnson3876 Wrong, take your hate to the KKK channel
@daisycocoa2557
@daisycocoa2557 Жыл бұрын
I agree, why would she endure 8 months of shameful unwed pregnancy if she cared that much. Amazing how his family rallied around the boy and here’s shunned her for trying to live a better life.
@lazyhomebody1356
@lazyhomebody1356 Жыл бұрын
@@daisycocoa2557 Maybe the stigma of being an unwed mother got worse once the kid was born!
@jeje1020
@jeje1020 Жыл бұрын
@@barbarajohnson3876 it's kind of odd that you think spreading your legs and having irresponsible sex with someone that would not marry you to raise their child, so instead having the baby ripped into pieces so that it can be pulled out of the uterus, is somehow less shameful. I'm not a staunch anti-abortionist but listening to people like you makes me realize why our society is ridiculously self absorbed and without self accountability. Maybe the stigma that this brought in the past wasn't such a bad deterrent.
@jodyharnish9104
@jodyharnish9104 Жыл бұрын
We can always depend on you to find the most intriguing stories and tell them honestly, presenting both sides. I always look forward to seeing your latest videos! Thank you so much for all you do!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou, I appreciate that
@1323WTF
@1323WTF Жыл бұрын
Thank you for your efforts to tell complex tales in a succinct and non-boring way, and the illustrations chosen well to back the case you are relating. Your work is appreciated ~ Cheers ! B.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@Terri_MacKay
@Terri_MacKay Жыл бұрын
My week doesn't officially begin until I've watched the newest Brief Case video. Thank you for another interesting, but terribly sad, historical case.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
ThanksTerri
@wendyescalera666
@wendyescalera666 Жыл бұрын
My heart aches for Fanny. She deserved to have known life as an educated woman.
@coxmosia1
@coxmosia1 Жыл бұрын
If there was an older man he, I believe, was her father which would make her upbringing even more dark. Good case, BC. Narration impeccable as usual.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@daisycocoa2557
@daisycocoa2557 Жыл бұрын
I doubt that father ever left the farm.
@changeintheair9648
@changeintheair9648 Жыл бұрын
Maybe that is why father adamantly refused her working/having career away from home. In other words was doing that - wink - for years and wanted her around.
@ritadyer9295
@ritadyer9295 Жыл бұрын
I was thinking her father may have gotten her pregnant and then murdered her. She could have been confiding in her cousin and he could have been advising her. Her dad was too controlling even after she was an adult. Something was wrong with that.
@ritadyer9295
@ritadyer9295 Жыл бұрын
And did they question her parents after her death? I don’t recall them being mentioned in the story after she died.
@gryphonshire
@gryphonshire Жыл бұрын
I love these clearly narrated stories. I'm hard of hearing, but I don't have trouble hearing Brief Case tell these fascinating stories, most of which I've never heard of before. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into these videos! I do so appreciate it. 😊
@shereesmazik5030
@shereesmazik5030 Жыл бұрын
It’s because of the clear narration. What a contrast to TV News .
@c.s.7266
@c.s.7266 Жыл бұрын
I'm so glad I found your channel. Great content!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@caroliner2029
@caroliner2029 Жыл бұрын
You've brought Lillian to life in this short biography BC. Thank you. We can understand the longings of her heart, and how frustrated she would have felt after having been able to develop her mind with study, and see her world expanding, to have it brought back to narrowness, and the drudgery of farm work, limited social interactions, and parents who seemed unable to meet her basic needs for love, much like most Victorian era parents. Others could see her potential, and wanted to give her the opportunity to blossom. We can understand Lillian's attraction to her cousin, who was intelligent, intellectual, and living a life of potential. He gave her time and attention, probably had interesting things to say, and having no clue how her body worked, she became pregnant. What would a DNA test have shown that might have swayed the outcome of the court case? I'm not sure about the circumstances that led to Lillian's death....to three people's death. I can't quite decide. The placement of Lillian's unborn baby beside her in her coffin was deeply touching, and just the right thing to do.
@dougtaylor2803
@dougtaylor2803 4 ай бұрын
Whaaaaaaa,
@ahnraemenkhera7451
@ahnraemenkhera7451 Жыл бұрын
HATE that I missed this earlier this week. Maybe now my own luck will change! I just HAVE to have these grimmies read to me!! LOVE to All at BC & especially, to Our Narrator! ♥️💝🌸💕
@melissabibby7310
@melissabibby7310 Жыл бұрын
Such a sad story, maybe if her father would of let her continue her education and went on to do something great with her life thing would of turned out different for. This one really touched my heart.👍❤️😢😪
@mirandagoldstine8548
@mirandagoldstine8548 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. It’s a shame that happened.
@dbzgal04
@dbzgal04 Жыл бұрын
Just goes to show, parents don't always know best.
@LtRee96se
@LtRee96se Жыл бұрын
Great Case! I love all of them. Keep up the wonderful work. Thank you for making the week start right with a Brief Case.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou :)
@sheilayoung8007
@sheilayoung8007 Жыл бұрын
What a sad case, I thought it would have been the uncle or her father who killed her, weird. Thanks BC for another awesome story. ❤
@ritadyer9295
@ritadyer9295 Жыл бұрын
I didn’t think about the uncle. I’m not convinced it was her cousin. And without hard proof he should have never been sentenced to death.
@ritadyer9295
@ritadyer9295 Жыл бұрын
@Nikki Namikaze-Uchiha-Hatake I thought of that too. Sad case
@tracykruzan5939
@tracykruzan5939 Жыл бұрын
I DO NOT believe this was a suicide because of how far along she was. It would've been a more cohesive suicide story had it had occurred earlier in the pregnancy.
@ileanaacacostaacosta1813
@ileanaacacostaacosta1813 Жыл бұрын
In the end the only man the witnesses saw around her is and was him her cousin
@laurabustos6560
@laurabustos6560 Жыл бұрын
Wow, that one sure gave food for thought. I wonder what really truly happened... Thanks as always Brief Case. Always a fascinating and intriguing diversion to a time long past. I don't know how you research these, but I'm sure it takes a lot of work!! 🙏🖤✌️ Edit; I've now listened to this week's Case 2.5 times and it seems there's just not enough to push this beyond reasonable doubt. Idk, you've done it again BC, given me something to ponder and back and forth in my mind for days!!😂🕵️‍♂️😂
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@laurabustos6560
@laurabustos6560 Жыл бұрын
@@BriefCaseOfficial I'm on listen through #3!! I just can't decide!🕵️‍♂️🙏🕵️‍♂️
@Msmary98-98
@Msmary98-98 Жыл бұрын
I have to listen to this channel in small doses cause if I listen to these back to back my mind starts playing with me and I end up not being able to sleep cause what I listened to pops in my head😂😂😂😂 these stories are very intense at times but good and thank you.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
You need to be able to sleep, so I appreciate you listening to the videos when you can :)
@kimsherlock8969
@kimsherlock8969 Жыл бұрын
Ms Tunstill was ahead of her times Providing a means to educate her kin. Male or female The booking of separate rooms at the same Hotel Was not a coincidence. booking of separate rooms
@mariatorres9789
@mariatorres9789 Жыл бұрын
Maybe she just made her bed in the morning? Or went out with another man overnight?
@ToTheeOBlessedJoseph
@ToTheeOBlessedJoseph Жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your hard work, I really appreciate your channel.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much that is so nice of you to comment
@cheaky8862
@cheaky8862 Жыл бұрын
Yesterday I started watching some of your videos as well as today. I'm absolutely hooked!! Great stories, wonderful voice and beautiful pictures!! Your videos and content are utterly enthralling and entertaining!! This New Yorker is subscribing!! Kudos to you 👏👏👍👍🌟🌟
@denisegelfs6408
@denisegelfs6408 Жыл бұрын
Another brilliant case so sad thank you You tell them so well
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@lynn5050
@lynn5050 Жыл бұрын
What a tragedy. Thank Goodness for DNA. Thanks, as always, Briefcase. X
@annagettings4675
@annagettings4675 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work Brief Case, as always. Such a sad case. He should have been allowed to testify, what a ridiculous rule. As for them appearing close when they were at his father's that can be easily and innocently explained. First cousins, he known to be engaged should have meant they'd be able to talk/walk without people assuming anything but cousinly friendship. And indeed no-one brought it up until she had died. I think it likely she did kill herself. But when thinking about her pregnancy, the description of a much older man with a moustache, her sudden flight to her uncle's, and her father's constant insistence that she return to the farm, along with the bruises on her face, and having walked wearing a veil, I cannot help wondering. Not necessarily that her father killed her but whether he was the father of her child. She ran away to her uncle's, and probably didn't know she was pregnant when she left if he she was escaping abuse. One way or another I find his constant assertion that she was needed on the farm to be suspect, along with his forbidding her to write to her aunt. The case may have been a long one for the time but it would have been a hell of lot longer if I'd been in charge! I only feel certain of two things Firstly that Thomas should not have been hanged. Secondly that the judgmental and prudish nature of society at that time is what led to her death, whether it was suicide or murder.
@resourcedragon
@resourcedragon Жыл бұрын
I'd add a third thing: if we assume that Thomas was innocent, the judgmental and prudish nature of the society at that time also led to his death.
@annagettings4675
@annagettings4675 Жыл бұрын
@@resourcedragon Good point and very true.
@lotus1695
@lotus1695 Жыл бұрын
Well thought out! 👍🏻 Agreed.
@Zaft_K
@Zaft_K Жыл бұрын
@@annagettings4675 I also wonder if her father was the father of her unborn baby. His controlling behavior is certainly suspicious. And if the cousins were really in love, they could have married. First cousin marriage was legal and common in many US states at the time (I don't know about Virginia). I think it is strange that she would wait until so late in the pregnancy if it was suicide. She was visibly pregnant to casual passers-by, so didn't her friends or neighbors notice? I think there is a lot more to this case, and that the verdict was wrong.
@annagettings4675
@annagettings4675 Жыл бұрын
@@Zaft_K I've been wondering about how far along she was too. Why wait to kill herself until she's so far along? Unless of course she had one of those rare pregnancies which don't show. The womb sort of shifts itself and hides. I actually knew someone that happened to! In which case she may only have looked as if she'd gained a little weight. But if she then realised it wasn't weight... But it seems unlikely. The first cousin thing had become a thing here in Britain too. Especially with the increased idiotic craze in eugenics (I think I've picked the right word). And although it wouldn't exactly have looked good for the cousin to break off his engagement, it wouldn't have been too unusual, and was legal for a man to do in at least most places in America. Here only the woman could break it off. Men ended up more than just socially ruined if there was proof they'd gone back on their word. I think I might actually look to see if the court documents are online. This one really bothers me for some reason. Although a time machine would be quicker if you've got one I can borrow?! I've only reacted to one other case like this, and it was one I came across before I found Brief Case. He has covered it though. Madeline Smith. I think that little Victorian minx was as guilty as hell and got away with it, but that's another story. But I really don't believe it was her cousin, and he died for nothing but the honour of another woman. Which is of course daftly heroic, sweet, and makes it all the more tragic. Do you want me to let you know if I ever find anything?
@cameomiddleton79
@cameomiddleton79 Жыл бұрын
Good morning!! So good to hear your voice
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Good morning!
@PaleMagnolia
@PaleMagnolia Жыл бұрын
"Many people in the late 19th century had a morbid fascination with death. Some even sought out the macabre as a means of entertainment." I guess people's tastes have not changed much!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Maybe not, hope all is good in Italia :)
@zero_bs_tolerance8646
@zero_bs_tolerance8646 Жыл бұрын
Excellent, as always, BC. Thanks very much.
@brendagraham4596
@brendagraham4596 Жыл бұрын
I really think this case is a lot of hearsay so sad for fanny and Thomas, just because your friends doesn’t mean anything is going on , so sad 😭
@waynegoddard4065
@waynegoddard4065 Жыл бұрын
A true highlight in life these videos. Quality channel!!!!!!!!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Wayne
@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217
@ladysudaandthegoddessmorri3217 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this story Briefcase!
@whoknows3972
@whoknows3972 Жыл бұрын
I love binge watching these videos
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@juliesnider7840
@juliesnider7840 Жыл бұрын
You always start my week out right Thanks again Breif case!!!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@teristrickland689
@teristrickland689 Жыл бұрын
❤ your videos! Just found that you've been broadcasting for 3 years longer than I have been aware of you! Yea, new to me videos out there waiting on me!!🎉🎉
@cmclem1959
@cmclem1959 Жыл бұрын
It never ceases to amaze me that people not just in your narrations but in murder cases all over past and present will die stating their innicence when in fact they are guilty
@peaceworld5393
@peaceworld5393 Жыл бұрын
Another Great Story! Thank you so much BC☮️♾️
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@kathyjones1576
@kathyjones1576 Жыл бұрын
Ah yes, another fantastic Monday, starting with Brief Case. This one is a puzzle. I agree with the defense, all the evidence was circumstantial. Sure, he could have been guilty. He was intelligent, and possibly clever enough to get away with it. But the evidence was, at best, flimsy, and there was plenty of differing accounts from other people. It's too bad DNA hadn't been in use at the time.
@charlessaddler4351
@charlessaddler4351 Жыл бұрын
Great case BC. Thanks for doing what you do.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
My pleasure
@cw4608
@cw4608 Жыл бұрын
Have an amazing day! Thanks for the video.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You too!
@amyhevelone1344
@amyhevelone1344 Жыл бұрын
This is the only good thing about Monday morning
@yourroyalhighness7662
@yourroyalhighness7662 Жыл бұрын
Greeting, BC! Happy 1st day of February, 2023 to you! As always, excellent story. It is most good to be back in the BC kingdom! Stay safe and keep those lurid tales coming!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@elizabethmcglothlin5406
@elizabethmcglothlin5406 Жыл бұрын
Lillian's father was the ultimate villain in this story.
@TA-cm9yi
@TA-cm9yi Жыл бұрын
Good morning from Black Diamond Alberta, sad case ...poor Fanny and child.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Morning :)
@valeriehopkins644
@valeriehopkins644 Жыл бұрын
So excited. Life long Virginia resident. Heard the story and know the places. Thank you.
@uacbpa
@uacbpa Жыл бұрын
What a sad case. Great work.
@zachmonroe1936
@zachmonroe1936 Жыл бұрын
always fantastically done, sir
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly!
@robinguertin574
@robinguertin574 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful job presenting a very tragic story.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@londonsage8696
@londonsage8696 Жыл бұрын
Good morning, Such a very sad case. After listening to everything I just thought to myself if her cousin killed her it was probably because she was pregnant. Then I kept thinking about how people kept saying she mentioned suicide several times so this case was pretty interesting. The fact that he insisted he was innocent was something that was playing on the back of my mind as well. Of course his family is going to defend him as well as his friends but at the end of the day they found him guilty and was punished for it. There was a lot of circumstantial evidence though that lead to him so I guess Fannie and her unborn child receive justice after all. Thank you for another great story I can’t wait until next Monday have a great week
@berenicewaters4096
@berenicewaters4096 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for another historical crime case from Brief case. Greetings from Mexico.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Berenice
@dawnk6910
@dawnk6910 Жыл бұрын
Being in bed unwell, this is just what I need.... thanks again... as soon as I hear the theme music I'm chilled
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Hope you feel better soon
@dawnk6910
@dawnk6910 Жыл бұрын
@@BriefCaseOfficial thankyou, means alot
@mystic_tacos
@mystic_tacos Жыл бұрын
I love the older cases. The older, the BETTER!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
I have always been fascinated with the older cases
@scoutfinch7727
@scoutfinch7727 Жыл бұрын
I LOVE your channel! TY, BC!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much
@weilandiv8310
@weilandiv8310 Жыл бұрын
I love my Brief Case(s)!! Thanks man ✌
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching
@shannoncarlson6960
@shannoncarlson6960 Жыл бұрын
I think he did it. It's just like Grace Brown/Chrster Gilette and a thousand other murders as well. A last meet-up between lovers only to have the pregnant woman found dead in the water, or on a path, or in a house. The woman thinks he's finally going to marry them, and the man knows she will die. Tragic and sad. His book was just a last ditch effort to look better. Poor Fanny.
@bunnyduncan
@bunnyduncan Жыл бұрын
It’s as though you were reading my mind, Shannon, because the Grace/Chester case came to mind as soon as I started listening to this story; so many similarities, and the same tragic outcome. Had Fannie been born in another era, I imagine she and her son could have lived lives of boundless possibilities, based solely on their own drive, intelligence, and character, unencumbered by the harsh judgment of the societal “norms” of the late 19th century. Given the opportunity, I’m sure Fannie would have been a wonderful mother.
@janetpendlebury6808
@janetpendlebury6808 Жыл бұрын
You don't think that her father could have been the father of her child? Perhaps the cousin was trying to help her, but there was not much he could do. She could have committed suicide in despair.
@katebet07
@katebet07 Жыл бұрын
@@janetpendlebury6808that's an interesting theory and one that is quite plausible!
@ginmar8134
@ginmar8134 Жыл бұрын
Evil. And selfish.
@ginmar8134
@ginmar8134 Жыл бұрын
@@janetpendlebury6808 There's no evidence of that.
@prof.cecilycogsworth3204
@prof.cecilycogsworth3204 Жыл бұрын
Excellent work!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@oanaelena4001
@oanaelena4001 Жыл бұрын
What a sad fate for Fanny and her baby! The family's 'help' shows how preoccupied were by appearances. Thanks for the detailed relay of the whole story, excellent!
@phionna6672
@phionna6672 Жыл бұрын
Fav channel 😁..love all the stories..I really truly feel like I'm back in time. 👌💕😉
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou so much
@cyndybutler7330
@cyndybutler7330 Жыл бұрын
Good morning brief case great true story
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for listening
@vickisawyer7405
@vickisawyer7405 Жыл бұрын
I'm really torn on this one. It IS too bad they didn't have DNA back then. The fact that he wrote his own life story while in jail is kind of weird too. A real mystery - thank you for this!!
@sheilamiller6435
@sheilamiller6435 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but he never offered up information as to whom the father of his dear cousins baby was?
@kathleenbaez4135
@kathleenbaez4135 Жыл бұрын
Great video as always!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks I appreciate that
@Ms.HarmonyJ
@Ms.HarmonyJ Жыл бұрын
As always Brife case sensational job tragic story but fascinating at the same time keep up the great job my friend
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thankyou
@Ms.HarmonyJ
@Ms.HarmonyJ Жыл бұрын
@@BriefCaseOfficial your so welcome my friend
@dianaantu8227
@dianaantu8227 Жыл бұрын
another great case! thank you.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching :)
@marionbowler5440
@marionbowler5440 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating BC, another one bites the dust. Absolutely keep at it.🍁😎🇨🇦
@stephiesings
@stephiesings Жыл бұрын
I grew up in Richmond, VA! Thanks so much for covering this one!
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
I have never been there but when reading about it it sounded a wonderful place, Richmond in the UK is lovely, situated on the banks of the River Thames and a few miles south west of central London, beautiful but very expensive.
@suzyrunninghawk7870
@suzyrunninghawk7870 Жыл бұрын
"Some even sought out the macabre as a means of entertainment." Haha!
@ricklee5802official.1Rope_fan
@ricklee5802official.1Rope_fan Жыл бұрын
Awesome upload BC. Thank you for this interesting and historical case. It's a very tragic outcome for an obvious lady with psychological issues.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Rick :)
@gudbrid8702
@gudbrid8702 Жыл бұрын
Hmmmmmm sad story 😔thanks sir amazing job GOD bless you all the best 👍🏻👌🏻👍🏻❤️❤️❤️
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Many thanks
3 ай бұрын
Great story telling.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for listening
@LadyCatFelineTheSeventh
@LadyCatFelineTheSeventh Жыл бұрын
So sad. But I can't believe they wouldn't let the accused take the stand in his own defense. That's just not fair and really, how can we even be sure he did it or not if he wasn't allowed to speak? I was assuming he had done it up until that little bit was revealed. Now I wonder how many innocent people were railroaded because of this.
@maryrichardson6029
@maryrichardson6029 Жыл бұрын
Always interesting Thank you. Peace 💕🇺🇲
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mary
@lovemybabygoat
@lovemybabygoat Жыл бұрын
Always a tale told with finesse. Sad story this time, as true with most tales of crime. Thank you for sharing this story.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Carey
@m.f.richardson1602
@m.f.richardson1602 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Always interesting Peace 💕🇺🇲
@joannethortan2257
@joannethortan2257 Жыл бұрын
Good morning Brief Case.
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Morning Joanne
@fadeblac5633
@fadeblac5633 Жыл бұрын
He was a good man. He had everything going for him. But, he turned around had an affair with his cousin and she got pregnant. I don't think he committed murder. Someone saw two men maybe they killed her. Thomas was a good guy. He never confessed. He didn't deserve to die for his poor decision. Everyone stay safe. ✌️ BC good one 👍
@cindysmith6612
@cindysmith6612 Жыл бұрын
Thank You
@Samanthajustinapoliti
@Samanthajustinapoliti Жыл бұрын
Hi 👋 BC what a sad and tragic case,.very intriguing though , great case thank you for bringing us these case's each Monday until next Monday have a great week 😊
@BriefCaseOfficial
@BriefCaseOfficial Жыл бұрын
Thanks Samantha, hope all is good with you
@Samanthajustinapoliti
@Samanthajustinapoliti Жыл бұрын
@@BriefCaseOfficial I'm ok 👍 thanks hope all is well with you 😊
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