The Two Trees of Valinor and the White Tree of Gondor | Tolkien Explained

[@NerdoftheRings]

What do you think is the story behind the image released by Amazon? Is it a prologue? Think we will see the destruction of the Two Trees?

[@chadalbaugh5337]

Prologue, similar the fellowship. Will show some backstory on it

[@jamiegregg9211]

I think it could be the first plot line for season one

[@principledpsychopath8461]

I would love it if we could get one of the main characters say the famous poem . Tall ships and tall kings Three times three What brought they from the fondered lands Over the flowing sea Seven stars and seven stones and one white tree.

[@annaanisa7388]

DEF a prologue for sure!!! We could end up seeing glimpses of some first age events occasionally scattered throughout the series. It could aid in further explaining the story line whenever the need arises.

[@grokeffer6226]

I'd guess that it's a prologue, giving a little background to the story that follows.

[@tylerg842]

Even the trees have confusing names and lineage, Tolkien’s details are unparalleled

[@GrumpyGrobbyGamer]

If you’ll forgive the pun, the Professor loved to sow the seeds of confusion.

[@anothermouth7077]

I quite convinced that if some future civilization finds this books long after we are gone, they possibly can believe it was truly a real world

[@GeneralMiller92FIN]

@@anothermouth7077 Well for some of the readers Tolkien's books already are as holy than the Bible. In next 2000 years when we live in post-apocalyptic world, maybe some group of future geeks will create religion out of it.

[@BJETNT]

Yeah there's one of the kids that does a channel on a lot of it I want to say men of the West that guy is unbelievable on his detail I've never even heard him stutter on name and all the stuff! I stutter on my own name sometimes in the morning. The kids unbelievable and very good at this stuff He missed his calling but I hope he's making good money

[@phuocnguyenngoc7821]

Couldn't agree with you more. Till now, no fantasy work could overshadow Tolkien's legacy.

[@renmanjares5314]

Talk about Isildur's dedication and perseverance saving the tree.

[@MoPaTography]

I like how this shines a different light to his character, from just LOTR Isildur (under the influence of the ring) comes off rather dislikeable, but hearing how much he risked for the tree gives him much more depth than I originally thought.

[@deadeye4047]

@@MoPaTography That's the Power of The Ring, I just now realized it because of this video.

[@marionbaggins]

He just wants to save, The White Tree!!! 😂

[@michaelfisher7170]

And not once but twice, carrying a sapling from doomed Numenor and another from fallen Minas Ithil. He obviously conidered the tree an important heirloom or symbol for his people.

[@KertaDrake]

"Why bother with winning a war when I have all I need right here. Now leave me while I stare at this sapling until dusk!"

[@Felsennest]

Never has a tree's genealogy been so epic, ancient and majestic.

[@WhoIsCalli]

Agreed

[@opplayer375]

Talk about isuldurs dedication to get the sapling before his city was taken by evil forces

[@NerdoftheRings]

I'm hoping we get to see the heroic side of Isildur in the new show. It will make his failure to destroy the One Ring all the more tragic!

[@luudest]

„Today on Nerd Of The Rings“ One of my favorite KZbin sentences!

[@Durin_Son]

Your dedication to Tolkien's lore is like that of Isildur's desire to preserve the line of the trees. I'm a newer follower of your channel and admire all the work you put into your videos.

[@DevinQuigleyArt]

Judging from this video, it's REALLY hard to have a nice tree in Middle Earth without some random Dark Lord wanting to cut it down.

[@Starbat88]

I just hope this Amazon series does justice to the Tolkien legacy.

[@tw0crows74]

A lot of us had this same feeling years before the movies, hearing Sean Connery might be Gandalf was worrying to say the least

[@Comet_373]

@@tw0crows74 I mean I don't have hope they randomly made dark elves in the series made galadriel into a warrior and she falls for a man instead of celeborn who just got deleted from existence 🤦 and already a bunch of timelines were changed some characters aged up some events happening yrs later or before 🤦🤦

[@theelectricprince8231]

They looked amazing in the second trailer 😍

[@Ale-dd3ek]

This comment aged like milk

[@odilusporce8814]

I have bad news for you bud...

[@115redhair]

I would've never expected to feel so moved by the story of the Two Trees and The White Trees 🥺

[@NerdoftheRings]

Tolkien would be proud of your appreciation for trees. 😊

[@115redhair]

@@NerdoftheRings thanks so much for replying, cheers from Dublin, Ireland. Keep it up with the content, it's fascinating

[@BannenAngelos]

I love how Ungoliant the Spider, also called the Devourer, was capable of consuming both darkness and light itself. She is, to this day, one of my favorite beings of Tolkien's inventions.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

They're both light one is just silver and one is gold.

[@BannenAngelos]

@@ForbiddenFollyFollower I think there was a slight misunderstanding here, let me correct it right quick. The part of my comment about light and dark was reference to the part of the Silmarillion where Ungoliant is introduced. It said that she grew to be so ravenous that she could consume both light and darkness itself. I wasn't referencing the two trees when I said that.

[@hiroprotagonitis]

Then she ate herself lmaooo

[@almonious520]

Great video! We just had 2 trees placed in the backyard of our new house. I’m sure you can guess their names.

[@kevinwantstoshred]

Otho and Lobelia?

[@mrmittenns5728]

Bonnie and Clyde?

[@chrisoliver3642]

Harold and Maude?

[@modusbee9092]

Curious... What species of tree did you plant?

[@wangwang2211]

Tom and Jerry?

[@ethanmietzner5218]

This is what I love about Tolkien. I truly feel immersed in a world that somewhere in this universe exists but is yet to be discovered. The level of detail and involvement in this world is unparalleled. I'm currently reading the Silmarillion and just read the chapter about the white tree. I just can't get enough of all of this lore.

[@cashmere3575]

So sad that Isildur valiantly rebelled against evil & the cult of Melkor... only to succumb to the darkness of the one ring

[@prasunpokhrel8463]

no one could have have thrown the ring into the fire not aragorn not sam or elrond thats the entire point of lord of the rings it had to be accidental

[@satana8157]

He never succumbed to the darkness of the one ring. That is something Peter Jackson popularized. Isildur was on his way to give the ring away to Arnor when he died.

[@RbkARI]

@bastiat No one's assuming anything, Tolkien said that himself.

[@patrickc9726]

Don't forget the Party Tree and its importance!

[@lasandumaduranga7463]

Absolutely gem of a tree

[@fuferito]

Ah, the lamented Party Tree. And, then Sam planted a _mallorn_ tree to grow where the Party Tree had been ripped down; the only mallorn growing outside Lorien.

[@leonardofaber5823]

No disrespect to life, but it was just a tree

[@hazbojangles2681]

@@leonardofaber5823 you sound like a Sackville-Baggins

[@leonardofaber5823]

@@hazbojangles2681 what I meant with my previous comment is that the Party Tree had no importance in the lore. It was not descandant of a great tree like the ones on the video, and no great moment of Middle-earth' history took place there. It was just a tree that was cut down by Saruman and then replaced by the mallorn. To the hobbits it was big deal for they valued it like they valued everything natural that came from the earth. But to the myths? As I said, just a tree

[@angrypotato_fz]

Thank you for this video and for focusing on the tress without digressions :) I never understood nor appreciated enough the scen of Aragorn finding the sapling in the mountains. Now I see how important it was.

[@rikweeds2306]

The white tree blooming the aaragon found and planted in the white city. Brings a tear to my eye everytime

[@mstrhighway]

I know it’s a lot to ask but it would be astronomically rad if you could do a full Silmarillion timeline, even if you used old footage and cut it together in sequential order. Your channel rules them all btw, huge fan 🖤

[@freddaniel5099]

One of my favorite vids on this channel. Great story that brings many themes of ME together in a coherent way.

[@NerdoftheRings]

I love when there are connections from ancient history to the Third Age/LOTR story. So cool.

[@KeppyKep]

"As with most things, the trees would be ruined by a Dark Lord." Oof. Damn you, Dark Lords! This is why we can't have nice things!

[@ZuluZuluingtonthefirst]

"Those trees looking mighty delicious" some giant spider

[@alexiachimciuc3199]

So she was a vegetarian? 😂

[@eimanb3887]

I just realised that you uploaded 4 minutes ago and it wasn't from my notifications, it was from your channel page! I was just rewatching part one of Morgoth's origin, and I realised this was here. Keep up the amazing work! The depth in this world is unparalleled!

[@NerdoftheRings]

Thanks so much! So glad you are loving the channel!!

[@eimanb3887]

@@NerdoftheRings definitely! Your videos are super entertaining, and they're always so well put together. Your channel is such a good way to learn about middle earth, I've recently got back into it and have been so addicted!

[@thegungadfly8930]

Really, you are turning out such lucid and beautiful content. It will be a pleasure to see your reviews of “the second age” show by Amazon.

[@shehansenanayaka3046]

Nerd of the rings is one of the best channels of KZbin. Brilliant video. We know it takes a lot of time and dedication towards these videos. Love from Sri Lanka 🇱🇰🤝🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿.

[@gamerostrich5358]

obsessed with these videos, can't wait for the amazon series.

[@gamerostrich5358]

@Kristopher Prime ok negative Nancy..

[@Kheni11]

Oh wow, this was so very well put together! You're just developing more and more with everything, thank you. Keep up the good work!

[@guilherme5094]

As for the series from Amazon, it's not the look I'm worried about, I'm sure they have the best resources to ensure a spectacular look, but everything else, something tells me it's all going to be a horror show. And It's not a matter of being pessimistic or hater, but when it comes to entertainment, I've watched a lot of good franchises die or be warped beyond comprehension, we live in dark times without a doubt.

[@michaelfisher7170]

I feel the same. I keep hoping that at some point sanity might prevail...but..we'll just have to see.

[@ianberlin3214]

There is so much good in the world of Tolkien and hopefully they dive deep into it without the baggage of our current society, but it seems like most stories today can't just be good stories.

[@jessedeck131]

With The Hobbit being this bad, of course we can presume this show will be dreadful!

[@craiggallagher4461]

Yep I’ve already seen multiple signs that the series is going to hijack this amazing lore to push a modern day political agenda. Like you said, it will no doubt look amazing but I think the story and characters are going to suffer majorly at the hands of the current ideological culture war.

[@ForbiddenFollyFollower]

What can man do against such reckless hate?

[@treyden]

never tire of hearing these stories

[@Jumpton]

"Who shall say how it comes here in the appointed hour?" *cut to Gandalf 7 years earlier with a shovel and a seed* "This is going to be a sick reveal."

[@Strutsbandage]

Haven't seen your videos in a while, been a stressful time. I'm so glad this is the video I start with though, and that I have a couple of weeks worth of videos to watch now

[@Enerdhil]

Nice post. Welcome back.

[@Strutsbandage]

@@Enerdhil thank you 🌟

[@patrickb4010]

It truly makes me happy that Tolkien and I share the same love and appreciation for trees. I too wish I could speak with them.

[@thomasschneider9407]

Just found your channel and find it fantastic! Thank you for the awesome details and excellent explanations. Look forward to future videos about the show and when it comes out! keep it up!

[@sandal_thong8631]

The tale of the Ents and Entwives was sad. It's disappointing Quickbeam isn't mentioned travelling to look for them and new trees as his groves were destroyed by Saruman's forces. They say he's young for an Ent, and there's many places the Fellowship went to that may be interesting to him. Not sure why none of the Ents from Fangorn want to visit Lorien and why the Elves of Lorien don't want to visit Fangorn Forest?

[@WhoIsCalli]

Never get tired of watching this video. Thanks Matt!

[@logansfury]

This was a fascinating video of the lineage of the Royal Tree. Your uploads always feature great information and wonderful art.

[@craiggallagher4461]

Pretty cool video to watch since I just started reading the Silmarillion recently (after having read LOTR and TH/TABA many times over the past 20-30 years) and only just learned about these trees and so far some of the events in the first and second ages that you reference. You do a great job bringing it all together into easily digestible videos while utilising amazing but also relevant artwork. Keep up the awesome work! 👍

[@davidwhitney2908]

Congrats on 300k man! Awesome video as usual.

[@TheAdkiri]

Where's that "Maps of Middle Earth: The Third Age" video!? Those have to be my favorite so far, and the complete travels but these are cool too.

[@sourisvoleur4854]

10:10 That's very pretty. Hats off to the artist.

[@tobiaswestenrieder6559]

it makes my day everytime i watch a video of yours! could you consider making a video on the high elves and why they are so porwerful?

[@Enerdhil]

He kind of skipped that part in today's video. The High Elves are more knowledgeable and powerful because they lived in the light of the Two Trees and got taught directly be the Valar.

[@tobiaswestenrieder6559]

@@Enerdhil thanks

[@alasat]

Excellent job on this. Very well put together

[@phiology1983]

So complex. But yet beautiful! Tolkien is a genius!

[@redxsage]

That was AWESOME! Another well told tale. Thank you.

[@simonaxlz]

Imagine actually being in the presence of those tress 🥺🥺🥺

[@robinsteeden7466]

Great video, like they always are. One comment tho, pretty sure that the two trees on the entrance to Moria, Durin's Gate (aka The Hollin Gate) are two ancient holly trees which were the symbol of the Elven kingdom of Eregion also known as Hollin.

[@chaiwarrior11]

Congrats on over 300k subscribers! A bit late, mohon maaf. Thanks for the content, really helps while teaching abroad in Indonesia during this crazy time.

[@PipsKay]

Thank you so much for That, my the White Tree of Gondor forever bloom in Minas tirith and in our hearts

[@ameliawarfield5637]

Love the video. The two trees of Valinor are beautiful. I wish I could sit between the two trees.

[@mikefries7991]

Another great presentation. Thank you.

[@yourfavoriteshiba7645]

Never knew I would love the backstory of a tree.

[@SoNoFTheMoSt]

I love the story of these trees, thank you for sharing it with us :)

[@tonybaker1268]

I'm getting a tattoo of the White Tree in a few months.

[@Enerdhil]

Will it show up? Sorry, bad white guy joke.🤪

[@tonybaker1268]

@@Enerdhil I actually am getting it all black instead of like white or an outline

[@Enerdhil]

@@tonybaker1268 That'll be cool too.😁

[@Sara.m.t]

I hit like before the second second even rolls around - I just know your videos are that good! 🙌🏻✨

[@mikelthemafia]

Ah, yes the times when there was still hope for rings of power.... Nice vid tho

[@peterwilson6819]

These videos are so well done!

[@magnificus8581]

Awesome video, one of your best!

[@garyyym4699]

Im glad i found this channel 😩🤟🏻✨

[@tonycezar1645]

Isildur, The Lord of the Saplings

[@evelynjasa8193]

I really enjoy all you're Amazing videos. Kudos👏👏👏

[@afolsom685]

Ah lovely. I needed trees today. Thank you.

[@rubenmenkveld8405]

I discovered i haven't been subscribed yet. I as ashamed of myself. How can i not subscribe to someone who makes such awesome videos?

[@NerdoftheRings]

Better late than never, my friend! 😄

[@rubenmenkveld8405]

@@NerdoftheRings but seriously keep it up. These videos are amazing

[@lynneglendenning947]

I am Telperion. Leah blessed the two trees. Will added the White Tree of Gondor, which I thought would make a nice Christmas Tree. My husband is the Balsam Fir.

[@kevinraposo348]

I love these Gondor related lore videos

[@courageousconversations9794]

Wait a minute, if the silmarils can’t be touched by evil beings how did ungoliant manage to suck the life out of the two trees? Did Feanor make the silmarils more pure and holy than their source was?

[@Darkstar-se6wc]

One of the Valar blessed the silmarils, as I recall, and added that.

[@greyworld6242]

Trees. Beautiful trees.

[@jordanreynolds5494]

I've watched and listened to every video and now feel the urge to comment to let you know this was a gooden!!! Thanks for all the content I'm soo hooked haha

[@YawnWoofDog]

Boromir wouldve loved it.

[@jamiegregg9211]

awesome vid Matt enjoyed it

[@NerdoftheRings]

Thanks 👍

[@astraloutlaw6549]

For some time, I pondered about the reasons why the race of men couldn't go to the Undying Lands. Perhaps you did a video on it, but I can't find it apparently, other than this one and about the Valar. I remember being on a video where another KZbinr talked extensively on that. In his video, he claimed the men who ever lived in the Undying Lands would grow weary, and if they ever succeeded in attaining Immortality, the spirit within man will be in utter conflict with his body as time passes, as if he's no longer himself. He also mentioned another key difference for the reason why elves were immortal and men were not, and it has to do with their spirits. Given what I learned, elven spirits who leave their bodies are destined to be bound to the world of Arda, while the spirits of men could no longer be bound to the confines of middle-earth. This is why elves are immortal, for their bodies must remain strong until the end. Perhaps you have a different take on this. If so, I would like to know.

[@noahhastings6145]

Amazon is making a Lord of the Rings series? Hope is -kindled- extinguished

[@shehryardawud9984]

Isildur aka "the gardener"

[@DrewsterRooster37]

I just love how the promotional images for the rings of power includes the two trees which died long before the first age, while the rings of power is an alternate reality of the second age. (Alternate cause it's gonna suck)

[@MoviesAndTvShowsAreSubjective]

It was great imo

[@franckguillemot5228]

really cool video thx

[@lucmazi2265]

That was beautiful

[@VoiceoftheRings]

Awesome job with this video!!!

[@vainor797]

I hope Amazon doesn’t disappoint

[@NerdoftheRings]

The new image was definitely a positive development. The look is spot-on, imo.

[@shaneward7836]

@Finn MacCool Lol. Sad and funny to see people like you who never going to see or expect something good from anything. At least wait until it's released to post your negative feedback.

[@Enerdhil]

@@NerdoftheRings We have to see what they do before and after this screenshot. They don't want to reveal too much in the series if they are pressed for time.

[@guilherme5094]

@@shaneward7836 As for the series from Amazon, it's not the look I'm worried about, I'm sure they have the best resources to ensure a spectacular look, but everything else, something tells me it's all going to be a horror show. And It's not a matter of being pessimistic or hater, but when it comes to entertainment, I've watched a lot of good franchises die or be warped beyond comprehension, we live in dark times without a doubt.

[@bmabs35]

@Finn MacCool The books are still going to be around for goodness sake. One TV series regardless of how it turns out isn't going to affect anything.

[@banishedheir9940]

Thanks for this

[@sebastianmatt7707]

Thanks for another great video!

[@Luke-kj1rj]

They need to realise the magnitude of what they're undertaking over at amazon, the chances of them absolutely butchering it vastly outweigh a lightning in a bottle situation like Jacksons trilogy

[@ironblue4593]

Sauron really hates white trees, interesting video to watch

[@Enerdhil]

But you won't hear anyone at Amazon Prime calling him racist.

[@steveford8999]

THAT was well done. Well done, indeed.

[@jimantonino4394]

Very well done. Superb.

[@annaroselarsen4218]

So excited !

[@monitor-mindtheover-void6712]

Amazing video

[@cupkelpie4656]

That was a beautiful episode

[@xXLunatikxXlul]

The two trees of Valinor seem to have inspired the two golden trees in Elden Ring.

[@muhammadmudassarbilal7986]

Long awaited video.

[@Iluvantir]

And in the fullness of time, the three Silmarils will be recovered: one from the Sky, held by Earendil; one from the Seas, lost for now; and one that was flung into magma of the Earth... that may well have been taken, through long chambers unknown, to be buried under a lonely mountain... to have been dug out by Durin's Folk - The Arkenstone. (This last is just my feeling, an idea only). And once all three are recovered: they shall be broken open to release their captured light; and the Two Trees, still standing dead in Valinor, will be brought to life. The Mountains of Valinor shall be lowered, the Sun and the Moon will be no more, and the Light of the Age before Ages shall be seen over all Arda. All this after the final fall of Morgoth, at the Last Battle...

[@IdwarfRedwoods]

Good job 👍

[@pookievision]

Epic! I love the trees!! Is there enuf info to do content on the lamps? I love that era...also how time actually works bout then...maybe timelines ect wud be awsome!! 🤟

[@LetBBB6345789]

Exchanging the lights of first two lamps and then two trees against the whole moon and sun does not sound like a bad deal, especially for those lands that were on the other side of the Earth.

[@filippobasilio7056]

0:35 oh hey, it's Mount Targon

[@J0HNJ0RDAN]

All of this, from one man's mind.

[@arturbotarelli4357]

Finally!!!! Thanks for that

[@StandingForLight]

Now THAT'S a good story.

[@Phoenix-King-ozai]

The two trees imply the appearance of melkor That’s the best thing Ungoliant ! Hurray

[@edibleapeman]

How do the mallorn trees fit into all of this?

[@Shaden0040]

Thry are also linked to the Mallorns of Lorien and Hobbiton.

[@Enerdhil]

I never heard that before. I think they are just another species of tree that originated only in Valinor, but can also thrive in Middle Earth.

[@jamiebeaton27]

Great work as usual. But I think the dates/years are off - the 3rd White Tree of Gondor dies after 147 years? More like 1232, I reckon.

[@themightylog2169]

Fight me you flower

[@ModernRefugee]

Didn’t Athelas come from Numenor?