The ULTIMATE Cadian Shock Trooper Build!!! Auric Veteran Lasgun Build | Warhammer 40k: Darktide

[@TheWileSpice]

Apologies its taken a while for me to get back! I hope everyone has had a good start to the year. Got some builds coming and hopefully a 2024 full of good content! UPDATE: I have changed the title and thumbnail to better reflect the sentiment of the video due to people being upset by the way this video was originally advertised. This was exacerbated by another content creator who deleted my comments on their video, so I have since returned the favour here. I still disagree with anyone who claims the build is bad and not viable for Auric, as I literally evidenced it is in the video and have had multiple people let me know they have had success with it in Auric.

[@Righteous-Nuts]

I dont think the argument is that the build isnt viable. You could probably randomly place talents and use grey weapons and still be successful, but that doesnt mean it's objectively "good".

[@melobeloslate]

@@Righteous-Nutsit is objectively good. It sets out to be a fun build where you delete everything with a laser pointer now go back to farming god rolls and playing the same build every game i bet you’ll love that a lot more than complaining about someone not min maxing every stat, skill, and gun.

[@nemesisVtuber]

i wish i wasnt too lazy to make videos and explain it more clear. But i'll have to do it with words: there are 2 components of "being good" 1st component is personal skill. How well you perform. How good you at dodging, spacial awarness, aiming, weapon swapping, kiting, blocking, pushing, etc. How good you are at base game mechanics and game itself. 2nd component is your build. What talents you picked. What weapons you picked. What blessings on those weapons. What trinkets you have. What perks on those trinkets. How well you use synergy between your talents and your weapons. Imagine that you need 100% efficiency to complete Auric Damnation. In average scenario 50% efficiency comes from your skill + 50% efficiency from your build. Together they grant you 100% efficiency and you able to complete Auric Damnation. And what if you have 75% efficiency from your skill and 25% from build? It gives you 100% efficiency and you complete Auric Damnation. Obviously a player with 100% efficiency and 0% from build (having no talents) can complete Auric Damnation and be top on scoreboard. I've done it myself, took veteran with 320 grey lasgun mk XII, 330 grey shovel, some green-blue trinkets and NO TALENTS. I've put myself into the worst possible odds and didnt even picked meta-columnus, or plasmagun that doesn benefit much from talents. And still was second on damage. And i'm not even a skilled player. I cant TrueSolo or even TrueDue missions. Now what is the problem you fail to understand - is that YOU have 75% skill efficiency. And YOUR build has 25% efficiency. And only because of that you able to complete Auric Damnation. But when a person with 25% skill efficiency picks up your 25% efficiency build - it leads to 50% efficiency and is NOWHERE near enough to complete Auric Damnation. And YOU present this build as viable in Auric Damnation for those 25% skill efficiency players. Because let's be frank, a decent player has enough understanding of the game to make their own builds. So they dont need to watch youtubers like you. And YOU dismiss people, who optimized your build to be 75% efficient so those 25% skill efficiency players can compensate their lack of skill with optimized build. YOUR build is non-optimized. It lacks efficiency. And it is the reason players that have 50% skill effeciency and below will fail auric damnation. YOU need to understand, that average skill ceiling for darktide players is BELOW 50% and majority of the games it's the case where 1-2 skilled players carry rest of the noobs in party. And you showed it in your own video. It's not that YOUR BUILD is good. It's that YOUR TEAMMATES are garbage. We are not being upset. We are telling you truth and facts. That your build is not "Best lasgun build". Stop deflecting. If your build was called "veteran shocktrooper" build and you stated that this build is not well optimized and made for RP purposes, so you require some skill to pull it off in higher difficulties - nobody would've said a thing to you. I, myself, love to play RP builds. I intentionally stack enourmous amount of silly buffs just for the fun of it. I have medic veteran build with 0 damage talents, +10% revive speed on each trinket AND Leave No One Behind talent. +50% revive speed Carl! Is it fun? Yes. Is it effective? No. Would i recommend this build for players as viable in Auric Damnation? No. I know that I can compensate for the lack of damage talents with my skill. But many other players may not be able to do so. And they will fail and will ruin their own experience, as well as experience of their teammates.

[@Ryuki19n]

⁠@@Bigl00zyou might not like his delivery but even people with mental disabilities can objectively see a build and understand that it barely makes sense. You can still make a build that’s fun, “non-meta” and thematic but still extremely effective as a whole. But meh this only hurts the people that will try this out.

[@TheWileSpice]

@@nemesisVtuber If I were to have 3 garbage teammates that I have to carry through to the end of an Auric mission, that proves your whole rant wrong. It also doesn't take much skill to shoot everything either & to suggest the average player couldn't is silly. Non of what you said holds any factual merit or any real criticism, its just random numbers and opinions thrown together from your head for the sake of saying the build is bad. I accepted the criticism regarding the Original title / Thumb saying 'The Best'. But your argument and others falls flat when its just complete hearsay to double down on "build is not good".

[@jonathanchow993]

Finally a video that gives cerdit to one of the best guns / variant in this game!! 1200 hours of using a kantrael fast firing. I mow down all the shot gunners, shooters, gunners and other non priority targets so my team can focus on everything else. Works really well. I also keep 3 karkers on me so I can take out crushers, bulwarks and mualers with nade regen. People don't give enough credit to those who take out the shooters.

[@TheWileSpice]

MG IV definitely one of the most underrated weapons I agree, I think many people just don't like to click so often. Anti-Shooter builds are an absolute dream to have on a team!

[@jasone.4689]

God I wish to have a teammate like you. Most of my vet teammates I played with, ignores long range shooters

[@jonathanchow993]

@jasone.4689 those shooters eat up toughness way too fast if left unchecked in damnation. Most vets want to be hard hitting but really if they do they gotta be a specialized class such a preacher or organ, vet is a more general purpose class

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Thought I might report back on how it went for me. I'm not a fantastic veteran but I used this build verbatim and pulled around 650K Damage in both games. Which certainly makes it better than my mediocre Vraks mk7 build. I will say I will probably run this build again but tweak it to include grenade regen. My bad behavior as a brainrotted zealot results in me making some bad decisions that grenades save me from.

[@TheWileSpice]

Strong numbers! Grenades are definitely something I think the majority of people will opt for. Demo Team costing 1 of the 2 remaining points or 2 to hit Demo Stockpile!

[@MrShadowofthewind]

How can you see how much damage you did ?

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Scoreboard mod. Its not perfectly reliable, I believe ovenproof has a more accurate version I do not have installed. @@MrShadowofthewind

[@degaxx]

It's a mod. You can find it on nexus mods. Also there are plenty of guides on YT on how to mod the game if you need help@@MrShadowofthewind

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Its a mod called Scoreboard@@MrShadowofthewind

[@melobeloslate]

people please settle down the youtube man isn’t going to hurt you!!! However on a serious note i love your videos and your builds i don’t see them as something i would prefer using but i absolutely love how you stick to the theme and how you craft your builds with fun and personality. Please don’t let these goblins that are trying to just see the highest possible number with the best possible gear with the best possible build stop you from making UNIQUE and FUN builds. However maybe next video just post like a one minute video of “hey guys i’ve decided to copy everyone else’s build, here it is. Goodbye.” i’m sure that would be wayyyy more fun and entertaining to the goblins in the comments

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahaha! I thank you for the kind words. Nothing shall stop me from continuing!

[@Righteous-Nuts]

I dont understand why providing criticism on a publically provided video requires anyone to "settle down"? There is nothing wrong with providing a critique/opinion of objectively poor information. Proceeding to call people who critique this poor information " goblins " does nothing to enhance your argument or dispute the critiques made. Perhaps take your own advice.

[@tharealchef2539]

​@@Righteous-Nuts Shut up, goblin.

[@andjamoo]

So I just got to level 29 and I haven't finished the build yet, but let me just say that once I finished the left side of the skill tree: OMG I AM DUNKING ON EVERYTHING IN SIGHT. I just dropped into a damnation game to 2 teammates downed and 1 fighting for his life. I wiped the screen in probably 20 seconds and it was smooth sailing from there. Thank you very much for putting this video together.

[@TheWileSpice]

Thats what we like to hear! The Emperors Flashlight prevails in times of grim darkness!! Glad you're enjoying the build!!

[@sentrybotannihilatormii5897]

This may not hold up nowadays, but i watched this video because i got bored of meta, and for that i thank you and hope you werent dissuaded to make darktide content. All the best man💪

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

As someone who has tried a more try hard perspective and a more casual perspective on auric i can say. With 100% certainty. Build matters for sure but you cater the build to whay suits your playstyle, understanding the perks and blessings and enjoy.

[@shelaghstedman5584]

9K Subs🎉🎉🎉 WELL DONE Spicy🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾keep up the excellent content, and don't let the 'goblins' derail you🤧😉

[@TheWileSpice]

Wow, thank you very much!!!! I will keep on keeping on!

[@DrunkStormtrooper]

I’m gonna give it a shot when when I get home!

[@DominicMaez]

5:30 I agree about the nade talents not being required. Useful yes. Like I’m the inverse. I make builds that always incorporate the merit ammo crafe and Rez talents often times because I looooooooove being support. 8:05 and you just roll your the stairs and nuke the snipers head. Love it.

[@TheWileSpice]

Those are beasty talents to be fair. They work great on a voice of command build for going whole hog support!

[@TheKsalad]

Tanner becoming a somewhat popular darktide tuber for anchors who pretend to be tryhards has had devastating effects on the rest of the pleasant (and better) darktide community

[@TheKsalad]

Addendum, "pretend" to be tryhards would mean they know they are bad, they actually just think they're hot shit when really they're just room temperature

[@wifeburger]

it's insane that wanting to actually have an interest in something and not just be a passive, indifferent observer is seen as a negative thing.

[@TheKsalad]

@@wifeburger What the fuck does that mean, are you one of Tanner's alts? Being an asshole doesn't make you a better fan of darktide

[@TheKsalad]

@@wifeburger You can do all of that without being a whiny racist twit like tanner.

[@DunkleJake]

Loved your editing and commentary for this video.

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed.

[@Jelloz104]

Welcome back, this build looks like a lot of fun.

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank you! It's a heap of fun if you would like to focus on purely shooting everything with the ol' Emeperor Flashlight.

[@TV-wb2cn]

It may not be meta but scoreboards dont lie. I play a similar style with the MG4 and Infantry, using other talents. End outcome is about the same though. Its almost like points in the talent tree are moveable and you can be successful without going sperg tryhard

[@TheWileSpice]

Aye, shooting a lot delivers great results! & Is just generally a lot of fun. If everyone played the game 'meta' I think it would be rather boring.

[@aceghost1074]

People in comments absolutely fuckin willlllldd and half the reason i dislike darktide half the time. Love the game but fuck all if a different opinion fucks yall. Ive played exclusively vet and can play auric if team half decent. (im not cracked out here but doing about middle of the pack sometimes coming first in numbers rarely last) The recommendations are mostly what i run. There are some things, i change but people out here bitching about fully loaded with lazgun. Dawg. If you play full balls to wall gun build, even 1000+ ammo you run out. I know thats crazy to hear but unless you are trying to hog ammo it CAN be hard to stay loaded. The shit is everyone like "objectively wrong, meta, dont have grenade/ Melee recomendations," clearly missed the point. If the way you play/ want to run is to literally shoot everything, and not worry about much else, you need A: shit that helps with ammo, B: crit weakspot, C: toughness regen. If you're playing with this shit 90% of the time your perks for laz is gonna be crit/weakspot buffs. So no its not awful. Christ yall do too much to try an look at a viable build because you dont play the way the build is set for.

[@shelaghstedman5584]

You're back🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾hope you're feeling better😎

[@TheWileSpice]

Feeling much better, thank you!

[@davidscoltock3970]

Just picked up a decent Hellbore, hyped for the Krieg build. That being said, I also have a nice infantry flashlight, will try this build out myself methinks. Thanks!

[@TheWileSpice]

Nice! Should hopefully help you eek as much damage out of it as possible!

[@davidscoltock3970]

@@TheWileSpice I really enjoyed the Hellbore and Infantry lasgun comparison videos. Will you do one for the Accatran lasgun?

[@TheWileSpice]

@@davidscoltock3970 Thank ya! Glad you enjoyed them. I'll definitely get one on the Accatran's, hoping for them to be buffed first!

[@flipsvstheworld]

Make sure you don't waste points with this build completely. The vet ult gives automatic suppresion immunity upon activation, so you don't have to waste an extra point on getting suppresion immunity already. Also, idk how the axe will deal with 3 crushers on Damnation or higher lol. Go to the ptactice room to see that the lasguns are inherently shit at damaging armor. Just like the Ogryn's stubba with fire rounds. Especially, carapace. Don't forget their extremely low crit chance since you don't have regen grenades or weapon with wide swings for mad hordes...especially if you play above malice difficulty. Plus, stamina regen is mad important for vet and this game in general. It's a movement based horde shooter that requires constant dodging, sliding, and push blocking. On top of that Vet's stamina regen is the worst between all 4 types. Even if you use the excuse that it's a "fun rp build." It doesn't change the fact that this build isn't that good in real practice when trying to learn the game, and be good on harder difficulty. No matter how "big my damage number is at the end." It doesn't really prove much, if anything.

[@busch_ii7450]

@@flipsvstheworldpeople keep saying this as if my ult is gonna be up 24/7. What if i want supression immunity outside of my ult?

[@Reginald-sc9tk]

Guess its time to bust out the lascarbine and accept the fate of a tired trigger finger.

[@TheWileSpice]

Best index finger workout on KZbin!

[@tharealchef2539]

If you ain't got arthritis after a few missions, you ain't killin' enough.

[@sircrim8694]

Hey, nice video ! I wanted to say thank you for the content, but I have some questions on this build : 1 - Doesn't the ult (Reaper Stance) already making you resistant against suppression when you use it ? Determined seems overkill then no ? 2 - Shock assault (The one that make yoiu crit consuming no ammo) is realy that strong on a IA lasgun ? The gun hass low-crit chance vanilla and you have large ammo reserv, plus you already are use survivialist, isn't that enough in itself ? 3 - Grenades perks (Demolition Team at least) would be oreferable for this build no ? Your weapons seems pretty weak agaist hordes, and the frag grenades is your best weapons at doing damage to many targets, so don't you think at least taking either Demolition reserve or Demolition Team make your build better honestly ? Plus, Cadian shocj troopers are known to love throwing grenades and making things go BOOM with them, so it work on the RP perspective too

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank you! Happy to answer. 1 - It does yes, however many people aren't fully proficient with the use of the ultimate meaning they will greatly benefit from Determined during the downtime of the ultimate. It was purely a suggestion for people who struggle with it. 2 - It is very useful on the Ia yes, you still get the same 'almost' infinite ammo gameplay. I will say its usefulness is greatly boosted by the Headhunter blessing, which is a blessing everyone should have as standard. 3 - The grenade perks are just something I personally don't favour specc'ing into (At least for this specific build). Players who enjoy the grenade talents can indeed spec into one of the two routes recommended in the video, one of which is Demolition Team.

[@sircrim8694]

@@TheWileSpice thank you for the reply ! The response to the first and third questions especially. Builds in DT is something particular strangely, maybe because a good chunk of the active community had more than 500 hours ingame, but it seems to be more inclined toward "optimization" than "easy-to-use" or "Fun to play to me'. In short, many people want optimization and are extremely critical because of that, when they see a build they want the best, and I'm not sure what is your perspective on it ? A RP build ? An easy-to-use build ? An opti build for a specific weapon ? Role ?

[@TheWileSpice]

No problem. Well originally many were critical due to the Title/Thumb suggesting its THE best possible in the game, which is completely fair, so I changed them. But then those that are extremely critical specifically about the build after the change are in the minority (they're just louder), and from what I've seen most don't do anything to back up their criticism other than double down on "its bad", say things along the lines of "anyone can bring anything into Auric and win", or my Scoreboards must have bad players in to boost stats (which surely would prove the build can carry Auric if I'm having to lug 3 players to the finish by that argument), some jibe about 90% of players being casuals that would fail with the build or a personal attack at me regarding my ability/knowledge in the game (or just a plain insult) which are all non-arguments with no backing behind them. There's not much real criticism being commented, suggestions for change or any real reasonable debate. My perspective on this build? All of the above, Cadian Shock Troopers rarely survive long enough to get into any meaningful melee combat and are most successful when in large numbers shooting Las weapons at Xeno's, which is also why I mention people can have a melee weapon of their choice because its about using it as little as possible anyway, I recommend the Antax because its amazing all-round in melee and its what I like using and will perform perfectly well for anti-armour within the team in the few instances its needed. Its easy to use, because the objective is to literally just use the Lasgun for 99% of situations (Whether thats an optimal way to play or not, because its fun to do and what the build is about), therefore is spec'd heavily into that role using the Infantry Lasgun's. Then the build leaves 2 flexible points to use as the player chooses, as I understand many people prefer to have a grenade talent for example. Are there ways it could be min-maxed or to be 'better'? Sure. Are there more meta melee/ranged weapons in the game? Sure. Is avoiding melee combat in favour of shooting sometimes not the most optimal way to play? Sure. Are there generally more proficient builds/ways to play for Veteran? Most definitely. At the end of the day its fun & in Auric it consistently performs for me regardless (making it the ultimate solely Lasgun shooting build for me), others have had great success as well. After that point, it no longer matters whether someone thinks its bad, because the game doesn't get any harder.

[@kobra289]

I use a decent XII Lasgun, 3 curios that boost toughness and really enjoyed this build. Post update, the recent one, my gun got nerfed a little but I'm gonna try it out and see if it still works. Wondered if Shock Trooper would be worth it, and what I could drop pointwise to run Shock Trooper. I run out of ammo a lot, rarely go to melee.

[@LegateSprinkles]

Nice video man. Similar to my setup but I value Born Leader more than For The Emperor. Now I fully agree its math is bad and its pennies of toughness but if using a lasgun I feel you should be headshotting so every poxwalker is a ET proc, so pennies of toughness over 5s of extra dmg on a skill that can last up to 30s or more. I may try out adding Marksman modifier in my next few games. Having success in my games, I also grab Tunnel Vision for MF since I think 25% extra toughness sounds nice of ET and CK. Been liking giving my team highlights but I do like that flex point going into Determined. Demo team I think is incredibly valuable since you are getting Iron Will and the 5% chance is small but yea aurics enemy volume guarantees some grenades, sometimes mutliple right after killing some. Demo team is usually now my only grenade talent unless going VoC builds. I need to work on getting a good Rashad but Im really liking my shovels. Recently got a good mk3 shovel, hammerblow doesnt look like its optimal to me but man being able to spam lights and knocking the entire horde around including ragers and maulers with some stacks is a nice get off me stick. Also 2 folding attacks to crushers while being built for lasgun is neat. Right now experimenting as a full toughness generator "support" vet with lasgun. Just a silly build about providing as much toughness as possible to the team. Only wish I could know how much toughness Im actually giving to the team besides having to watch replays to see if Im doing anything.

[@HarlanWescott81]

Love how you brought up the Antax Mk V. Tried and true.

[@TheWileSpice]

Such a good all-round weapon!

[@agentbreacher8095]

Let's see the fit

[@shelaghstedman5584]

Thanks

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank you very much for the 10!

[@themagicalspacepapa3109]

I enjoy builds like these. I prefer these other than being super tryhard.

[@TheWileSpice]

Same here. Especially when they still perform well.

[@ul4906]

That Dr. Hibbert laugh :D

[@Reaper-sails-to-mars]

Idk why ppl are acting so crazy, I’ve used this in auric I don’t min/max shit I just love the game itself. Great build love your videos

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank you for the kind words! Glad you enjoyed the build, sometimes nothing feels better than firing wild lasers into the fray of darkness.

[@dumbname1961]

Kantrael’s power Truly shines when it doesnt give you carpal tunnel, so i recommend people to use full auto mod when running this build 😂😂, just wanted to give small correction at 1:55 you seem to suggest marksman gives 20% overall power, it only works with weakspot, thats all:D I also play with similar build but i use kantrael MGIV(ye i know its the suckiest dmg of the 3) thats why i have Infernus as blessing(was buffed to 4stack per crit in recent patch) onslaught and superiority complex. I can safely say i can gun down crushers if i wanted to :D

[@MakCurrel]

This is really close to the build I have chosen and play with.

[@TheWileSpice]

How are you finding that?

[@TitanAEX4]

Very informative! How well would this translate over to the Recon Flashlights?

[@TheWileSpice]

Thank ya! I haven't actually tried it with the Recon's so I'm not really sure! On the face of it I would think it would work, but I haven't tested whats optimal for them.

[@TitanAEX4]

@@TheWileSpice I just gave it a try a couple hours ago - it actually works quite well with my Recon Las, and it isn't even a perfect roll (though it's fairly close)

[@TheWileSpice]

Might have to give it a try myself!

[@Arantonak]

I was wondering who tanner made that video about.

[@TheWileSpice]

Aye, 'tis me.

[@zanecowles1445]

​@@TheWileSpicethough I really like the meta side of darktide people don't need to take it so seriously and just regurgitate what other that youtuber says as the only way of playing the game

[@fuzzwobble]

@@TheWileSpiceDon't listen to him. He's a tosser. I tried to talk to him about alternate blessings and the guy screeched into messages that I need to "Upload a true solo auric maelstrom run with the exact blessing", then sent two more messages praising himself, gloated that he could block me, and then did. I came back from being offline to one of the most sad, retarded message chains I've ever seen.

[@Roovka_]

I will admit, I really don't think you need the reduced cooldown when running Stance since you really only need it in a fire fight and you can keep it up the entire time during one, otherwise, it's basically how I run mine.

[@TheWileSpice]

That's fair! I like to have it in case my aim isn't on point and I miss a highlighted enemy, or for the situations where a threat such as a mauler/crusher pulls you out of the ultimate so you can get it back up as soon as possible.

[@j.sch.8266]

why no deadshot? Apart from that, gonna try this literally right now lol

[@TheWileSpice]

I guess I've never been a big fan of it, for no realnlogical reason to be fair! Can definitely switch it in if it suits you.

[@j.sch.8266]

thanks for the quick answer, just in time ;) I'll try your version first and see how it goes@@TheWileSpice

[@infectedanimal9830]

@@TheWileSpice​​⁠​⁠​⁠recently saw it works really well if you got a stamina curio(s), some stamina regen, focus target and target down as it slows down the bars depletion and helps regen it while using focus target basically guaranteeing constant +25% crits

[@TheWileSpice]

@@j.sch.8266 Let me know how it goes! Hopefully mucho' purging.

[@TheWileSpice]

@@infectedanimal9830 Sounds like a recipe for a pretty funky yet fun build. I don't think I've ever gone with stamina curios on Vet before.

[@autisticsadventure]

Honestly subbed for this, give us more controversial builds!

[@TheWileSpice]

I'm a little gobsmacked how its so controversial. I think a lot of people have forgotten how to have fun and instead salivate over negative interaction. Hope you enjoy the build!

[@romanpyatibratov4361]

@@TheWileSpice your thumbnail is literally "THE BEST VETERAN LASGUN BUILD" And this is not best veteran build. Not best lasgun build. Not best veteran lasgun build. So either intentionally lying to audience and misleading them. Or you absolutely clueless about the game. Pick your poison

[@Combine96]

@@TheWileSpice you can't really name something "THE ULTIMATE VETERAN LASGUN BUILD" and then be surprise pikachu face when it blows up in your face due to said build being meh.

[@TheWileSpice]

Never claims to be the best general Veteran build. For where you only want to use your Lasgun in all situations, I think its the best. It can consistently perform top of the board for damage and ranged kills. Changing 1 or two things to make a fraction of a difference is meaningless. Considering multiple people have had no issue performing highly with it as well. I think I'm perfectly fine to claim is the best for a Lasgun specifically. Show me a build specifically for pure Infantry Lasgun usage, that is actually meaningfully different to the one I made here that performs noticeably better, then I will change my mind.

[@brackarab1685]

​@@Combine96 tried it & it lives up to the claims imo. Not sure why peeps think it's meh over 1 or 2 talent choices that you can change anyway like he literally mentions. At end of day if I can play Maestrom with it it's all I need lol.

[@echosierra9990]

Any build will work with premade teams. Where you really find out if a build is good, is by playing random matches with strangers. I would recommend taking the middle keystone, because you lose your stacks the moment you move with the left side keystone.

[@TheWileSpice]

Non of the Scoreboards or gameplay shown are with a premade team. All in random matches with strangers. The middle Keystone will perform much worse except with maybe the MG XII, but even with that weapon it will, due to Marskmans Focus boosting its damage against bigger targets consistently. Keeping stacks healthy is pretty easy, especially with Camouflage.

[@theideamaker3183]

I have this one build I made and on paper and in the sims it did very well but horrible on a malice. If I could shoot it your way and get your thoughts on it wether I could improve it or change it to what you have (note: im trying to be a good one shot one kill type vet or like what you said a good range on range killer to back my teammates)

[@roadrage7497]

late comment but would this build work with the recon lasguns aswell or not really?

[@leochronos9001]

I love how there’s so many toxic/super serious people and comments here saying you build sucks when clearly they never knew what fun means in their lives

[@lyth6463]

is this build still relevant? and what lasgun is the best mark?

[@TheWileSpice]

It should work well. The Ia is generally the best overall Lasgun.

[@Bannedinlyfe]

Yo this is a good shooter build fr

[@TheWileSpice]

Glad you enjoy the build!

[@shanomano1233]

Would the bolt gun also work for this build?

[@TheWileSpice]

If you go for Surgical as a blessing then yes. I would make sure to spec into Bring It Down and consider changing Counterfire to the one that highlights Ogryn enemies!

[@fluffywolfo3663]

My tagging lasgun build has felt like it lags a bit. (Seriously it just.... _melted_ under auric last night. wack) I'mma try this one out.

[@TheWileSpice]

I need to try the tagging keystone more, its good but sometimes feels like a chore.

[@fluffywolfo3663]

@@TheWileSpice I feel ya. Good damage, good support capacity but also The other two keystones just feel more…. Applicable? More broad? Like, for one of them you gotta stand still and pour in sheer volume of fire, for the other you stay mobile and fall back on melee. It’s easy for me to just… autopilot and do both of those things.

[@theroguenob]

Broke out the pen and paper to keep for later

[@asrieldreemurr1210]

So anyway I start blasting

[@lenniecondellone7834]

Did I miss the curio discussion? Which ones did you take?

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

It looks like he simply mixed HP and toughness curious. I would say 1 HP and 2 toughness ones. As far as their perks yeah it seems unfortunately skipped over.

[@TheWileSpice]

No I usually leave them up to personal choice as there's only really a few builds that specifically require certain Curios. I just use 2x Toughness & 1 HP with x3 stamina regen on and then mixed damage resistances.

[@shadonazgul]

Question, can you do a Gunner Ogryn build for the Stubbers

[@TheWileSpice]

I can definitely look into it, I drafted one a couple months ago so could perfect it!

[@shadonazgul]

K

[@VictorW23]

does this work with Accatran lasguns? I want to try it because of the low recoil of the Accatran

[@calebwilliams5819]

Man I wish there were more neutral people in the community and not just toxic ones I want to learn how to play and be better but everything is just overwhelming

[@TheWileSpice]

Unfortunately a symptom of the really low player numbers. Mostly die hard players stick around and those players have die hard opinions.

[@AndrewGR469]

You forgot to mention you need a good gaming mouse cause of endless left click spam lmao. Unless there is some automatic fire mod shit

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahaha, it does require a lot of clicking, the MG Ia & XII are more forgiving in that sense. There is a full auto mod I believe, but I just use good ol' clicking.

[@kudosbudo]

6;20 a super criticism but i just want to highlight with your vid here a tiny pet peeve that i see folk doing. Maybe its cos i come from Insurgency and this matters more there but i notice a lot of folk in this game do what you did here and pass in front of folk shooting. This blokcs thier line of sight briefly and messes up their shooting. While it might not matter for most vets and folk with rapid fire guns this absolutely kills anybody playing as a psyker with void strike. If you are gonna move infront of a friend who is shooting a great habit to get into in this game is to slide past them so you are lower and don't block line of sight and reduce their TOT.

[@TheWileSpice]

Hahaha, it's definitely a bad habit that is just a symptom of tunnel vision!

[@Purifactor]

Isn’t exhilarating takedown bugged and hurts you still?

[@TheWileSpice]

They fixed it last year in November thankfully.

[@SteveAkaDarktimes]

Full auto mod highly recommended for the health of your fingers.

[@TheWileSpice]

For the MG IV, most definitely!

[@lv1543]

The most powerful thing a lasgun user can do: Change weapon to something better.

[@TheWileSpice]

Not an Emperors Flashlight enjoyer?

[@lk4864]

6:49 - 104 ammo in the clip and you kill like 11+/-2 *groaners* shooting into a scripted horde in a doorway, holding 3 grenades and and a medi stim+pack. High level gameplay.

[@TheWileSpice]

So? Doing 3+2 instead of 4+1 still equals 5.

[@Wolphyre8693]

I would be curious to know if it is also viable with an Accatran recoon lasgun

[@LegateSprinkles]

I spent a few days with Exe MF Recons. My personal recommendation is to avoid. Recons just aren't in a good place right now. You would be doing better with just about any other weapon over recons. I've even been doing IAGs with a similar build and the recons just underperform in comparison. You can do it but yea...most guns are just gonna be better

[@Wolphyre8693]

@@LegateSprinkles Yes, I realized it, it's very fun as a weapon but it doesn't perform at its best, too bad, but their day will come too.

[@PositiveBlackSoul]

Is the Shock Trooper talent really all that useful? I feel between Scavenger and IAG high ammo pool and the occasional pickup I never really run out of ammo with them

[@dazuk7455]

New player here, could someone please recommend me the Curios that go with this build. Thanks in advance.

[@TheWileSpice]

I run 2x Toughness & 1x HP with Stamina regen on all 3 & a few damage resistances.

[@dazuk7455]

@TheWileSpice Thank you, I am a new player and this is the build I chose to go with. Going from level 1 to 30 was really fun using this build and now at level 30 it's melting through hordes of enemies. Keep up the great work.

[@headcrab16]

Jesus fucking christ, I've read some comments and must say, some people really need to turn off the pc and touch some grass like seriously... Btw i tried the build out and it's really nice

[@kenny3179]

How do you deal with crushers and maulers?

[@TheWileSpice]

Maulers is a mix of shooting their body with the Lasgun then switching to the Antax for close range. The Antax staggers both Crushers and Maulers if you hit headshots so you can easily chain attack them down within a decent amount of time.

[@zacattack32441]

​@@TheWileSpiceAntax sucks vs crushers and maulers though. The other axes have much better heavies.

[@jonathanchow993]

Karker, or a melee with rending blessing works wonders at dispatching crushers

[@жиржир-б6я]

Спасибо сладкии пончик))

[@DrakeZoa]

You guys do any damage? (insert clueless meme)

[@OrAngelicBlitz8633]

Has a clear weakness to armor Intro says "use a melee weapon of your choice"

[@beefsandvvich]

honestly unsubbed because of this, awful build

[@TheWileSpice]

Bye

[@liorgoren7252]

wtf is this build? .why u take Executioner's Stance + determine?!?!?!?!!? waste talents . why u dont take deadshot?!?!?!? .no recomended for greande? guys dont take this build it bad, im sorry.. find another one

[@TheWileSpice]

Clearly you didn't watch. I only suggested Determined SPECIFICALLY for players who struggle with Suppression as they won't have efficient Ex Stance use. I don't like Deadshot & not taking it doesn't meaningfully effect the outcome. I literally recommend 2 grenade talent paths in the video. Try watching before you criticise.

[@Joker-ik1sp]

The toughness on weak spot kills skill is useless on the kantreal unless su use the mk 12 or got an aimbot since ur shots are all over the place no matter how good u aim if u really wanna make use of their rofs that is so either use mk12 or take a different skill. Also executioner stance might be nice and worthwhile in good groups that got a lot of toughness shit going for them like a 2. Vet with voice of command or a zealot with the shiny piece of scrapyard metal but otherwise u bring way more value and utility to the group with voice of command imo and experience. And ye personally I loved playing with the kantreal the weapon just feels nice to play ngl but the alternatives to it like the columnus infranty, plasma or bolt gun r just better since u can actually kill everything ingame with it including crushers and obviously my favorite the hellbore mk2 which tbf I got God rolled with the perfect blessings, perks and stats on an overall rating of 549 (U need thst pretty much for valuable break points unfortunately) but the beauty of the weapon is that u can smoke everything in the game especially when u got gud aim. Doesn't take crushers down as fast as a plas or bolt gun but it can do it fairly quickly and a fuckton more ammo efficient at that, takes down maulers easily aswell as just deleting every ranged unit in the game like reapers gunners n shit and the Bayonet charge got buffed or whatever and became a God like melee weapon when used right also indefinetly staggers ragers.

[@TheWileSpice]

I disagree about your first & second points about Exhilarating Takedown & Executioners Stance. Ex Takedown gives such reliable toughness regeneration whilst also providing a good amount of damage reduction. Its only a fraction harder to aim for weakspots with the Ia & IV. & Ex Stance boosts your time to kill on so many units (Especially on the MG IV), making it especially handy for Ragers. It also simply allows any of the Lasguns to clear areas full of shooters infinitely more effectively than any other weapon. As well as making it naturally extremely easy to aim shots and weakspot hits. Sure there are more meta builds and weapons to use though like the super duper columnus at the moment. But I prefer getting the most value out of the weapons and gear I enjoy the most. & considering my results here for example, it's a pretty good value. As long as it can consistently perform at the highest difficulty, that's all that really matters. Helbores are indeed sweet as well. They're a good all round weapon for pretty much any circumstance. I'm a fan of the Mk 2 as well!

[@Joker-ik1sp]

@@TheWileSpice thats not really my point what i was trying to get it wasnt that it is too hard to get benefit from exhilerating takedown but that u dont get it consistently enough if u use the full potential of the rate of fire of those kantraels like i can aim very good and i know ppl with even better almost aimbot like aims but u dont get those weakspot kills when utilizing the full rate of fire and if u do very well despite that and with exec stance on high difficulty missions then that doesnt mean that the build is the best it can be it just means u have the necassary skill required to make it work

[@Joker-ik1sp]

@@TheWileSpice the build i am using atm with my hellbore mk2 is also far from being absolute top tier meta but i make it work since ive been using that weapon and build for months now like i got really gud at it but its far from being a meta build i think

[@happybomb777]

Imagine being matthew6912😂😂