The ULTIMATE Dungeonborne Tier List (Solos, Duos and Trios) | Dungeonborne

[@ScarFearz]

My biggest concern at the moment is really the wallhacks of the druid. Wallhacks have no place in this game and should be entirely removed. At most, give a visual/audio prompt that tells you that an enemy player is nearby, by seeing exactly where your enemies are at all times (or almost) while having the most insane mobility in the game is absolutely ridiculous.

[@legramon7474]

Totally agree

[@bad_news04]

Pretty sure the devs said that itll be removed soon, so thatll be good.

[@henryg3313]

sorry I am new how do you wallhack?

[@amoineau]

​@@henryg3313 it's a dexterity trait of the druid. If you have enough dexterity you have a passive that lets you see people through walls. It got slightly nerfed recently, but it's still a weird mechanic and the druid is already too strong without that.

[@henryg3313]

@@amoineau sweet thanks for info dude. I am going to try druid a bit later

[@Brotection_]

I think Druid wallhacks are actually down for 5 seconds then come up for 3. But yeah still very very good.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Gotcha, that makes sense, thanks for the clarification! :D

[@carterfn5939]

So insane to me that SM has a 50% damage reduction ability that also does alot of dps, but fighter and DK get 30% for 5 seconds and 15%.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Big if true...

[@craigwolfe249]

But the melee classes have a lot more physical resistance anyway, so 30% and 15% is quite decent.

[@Bruh-ks6hd]

@@craigwolfe249 30% pdr vs 50% that also does unblockable aoe dmg. It's not comparable at all.

[@tube9ovejas]

The fighters dmg redux is only physical dmg, the SMs one is ANY dmg

[@benkung1271]

​@@Bruh-ks6hdSM e skill is blockable

[@ardazagaming]

I just started playing this game and have about 17 hrs in it. It is absolutely amazing and I've been having a blast playing it. Thank you for breaking down the classes in to tiers! This really helps me decide what character to work on next.

[@Kerm_ST1]

Pyro and rogue are goated in duos, went up against a Druid and a death knight in casual both with a mix of blue and purple gear while we were maybe 2-3 pieces of green and just mopped their Druid almost instantly.

[@gnakvo2]

I just started, how did you play that matchup?

[@sparkykiwi7849]

Bro rogues new buff makes trios with a rogue so good

[@tolol7793]

I played druid a lot and am among the top 50 in terms of kda, and here is my break down of classes that i play against cryomancer: They do heal/shield a lot but just putting my tree on top of him while he is ice block does the deal, but in duos/trios unplayable especially paired with a dk rogues: really easy to kill but really annoying with paralyze and crossbow playstyle pyromancer: A LOT OF DAMAGE, if u all in them you will kill them and you will either die from ignite or barely survive, pre-potion shield or you are dead. fighter: one of the easy match ups, unless he does his spin ability on you or he is running the dual sword build then its unplayable deathnight: One of the hardest classes to fight he will kill you passively with his ability or if he is running the dual sword also unplayable swordmaster: They will spawm throw 1 sword at you which will prem slow you, and when u try to fight them they will 50% damage reduction really hard to deal with Overall this dual-sword build is making the game unplayable for me, the rest are barrable. For me as a druid to do maximum damage is to have both trees up and to pounce on you to reset my trees auto and these dual-sword classes dk/fighter just face check all of that damage and still kill me with over 50% health. If they can fix the trees where they don't hit each other would be nice. In terms of druid wall hack, its good that you could see the type of weapon your opponent is playing with thus knowing partially the class you are against, otherwise the audio in this game is extremely loud, you can track them with audio no need for wallhack. I personally never use it, i would much rather go stam as my 3rd passive then dex so at least my trees survive if they are hit.

[@VinisKitchen22]

Yo, whats up chefs! I hope you guys enjoy the video, if you have any disagreements with where I ranked things feel free to let me know in the comments :) Also, I know I gravitated towards ranking things towards the top of the list but I think its because all of the classes actually feel very strong in their own regard in dungeonborne and the overall class balance feels pretty good except for the classes in S+ Tier probably just being too strong and needing to be toned down.

[@HelderLevi-co3nc]

you got one thing wrong in the video about druids, they have now 3 seconds wallhack and 5 seconds without not a 60% uptime, its a 37,5% uptime on the wallhack

[@phazedkilledyou]

I do enjoy it I just want to see the tierlist and see your thoughts(which I'm sure your working on) on the cryo nerf... I'm so upset tbh

[@braingamer3321]

i just started playing and i started with DK the moment someone sees me i just drop everything and look at my phone lol

[@TheFishRDrowning]

Just started playing and first character is cryo, I just realized curse is press and click, you don’t need to aim almost at all. Not sure what they were thinking there but it makes it insanely busted 😭

[@pinkteacrotchdweller6869]

What makes cryo busted is gear. You can dominate any class as long as you are in full purples and have around 20 life on hit. Combining this with the legendary orb with blocks 100% of damage received and a staff for more damage or another orb combo to be tankier is best

[@icaromsantana]

Sup @vinidiction ! I've teste that DK build I've mentioned and it's a blast! A bit expensive to build, but insane when you get it right. I was running 24 life on hit with 100% crit chance, if I landed grab on any class, they'd die, if a dk grabbed me and I had my Q, I'd kill them. I've managed to get on top 10 on my first 5 matches with an average of 3 kills per match. Considering that these were literally my first 5 matches with the class, I bet someone more experienced will have an even higher success

[@VinisKitchen22]

Nice! Im definitely going to see if I can give it a try :D

[@mariodelacruz4248]

Great breakdown of the classes bro. Articulated their pros and cons pretty well. Also, lmaooooo I can’t remember the last time I heard the word “mollywoped” 😂😂 you gotta be from Texas. Used to use that word allll the time in school. Haha oh man that brought back memories. Lolol anyways, really enjoy your DB videos man. Got the game when it went f2p and have been hooked. Keep up the content!

[@sparkykiwi7849]

Idk what it is but sword master doesn’t hit because you have such a limit to your psionic blades like you don’t even get the swords back

[@DarkAssassin274]

I dont understand. Why add an S+ if there's only ever a 4 tier spread? Why not just shift everything down by 1?

[@dimablo21]

Was going to comment the same exact thing

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@DarkAssassin274 I mean you could say it comes down to personal preference but I just think having the S+ tier to basically signify that those classes specifically are a step above the rest of the class felt right to me. Obviously I could’ve just used the S tier for that buttt Cryo does not feel like “A tier” to me and neither does fighter and Dk feel like “B tier”. All of the classes feel relatively balanced and very strong in their own regard which leads to a congregation towards the top of the list. But the S+ tier classes are just overtuned

[@VinisKitchen22]

Yes, Cryo is S tier while druid and SM are S+ tier for solos. As of the patch on the 31st, I think I would keep all placements the same except maybe rogue in group play :) I believe that the wall hacks + panther leap with only an 8 second CD for druid as well as the 50% damage reduction, Sword + Shield combo and very high movement speed of the SM are on a different level for survivability and agency in this game than the 500 shield you’re getting from being able to use ice armor twice in a fight on Cryo or any forms of survivability that the other classes have for that matter as well. Also Cryo is not my most or even second most played class, so no that did not influence my decision. If you don’t see the same value in the wall hacks/panther leap or 50% damage reduction as me than we can just agree to disagree 😁

[@zevenzeros]

PvP games should not have wall hacks of any type. Good reason why they use anti cheat to combat the thing they are just giving a class.

[@killabeezattack]

This is the kind of man I want to get advice from about video games! Thanks for the great content!

[@SneakingMOUSE]

It's your opinion, but I gotta comment on it. Druid wallhacks were significantly nerfed and they are in a good spot right now. They are so, so much weaker than they were before. The biggest change was not having red dots appear on the minimap. That combined with the pulses makes it easy for a druid to miss you. It is still a strong ability, but the nerfs were valid. Anything more than what they did would mean basically just removing the ability entirely.

[@ttvJuka]

i’ve never once had a druid escape me as a panther maybe it’s just because i don’t stop chasing idk my main issue is them seeing through walls it’s too much info, this gives me some good gear fear with how expensive everything is i only have 800k gold on the game but damn is it hard and the matchmaking is like pandora’s box idefk

[@Zuteage]

Am I crazy in saying the spawns are terrible sometimes on this game between players? In any game mode you can either kill or be killed in 10 seconds if you know where to look. Third partying happens more or less every other game aswell it can be so frustrating

[@VinisKitchen22]

Feel like that happens a lot in all of the extraction games though. Spawn rushing is just a thing in these games it feels like haha

[@aaronduran5657]

If they would let you block the storm staff by looking up it wouldn’t be to much of a problem tbh

[@GoldenPants.]

That wouldnt make any sense haha

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@aaronduran5657 I kind of like that idea tbh 😂 and it’s a fantasy game so it doesn’t have to make perfect sense, I think it would be a really good change at least for the group ay meta currently :)

[@tzugumi]

a leather wearer being the tankiest class in the game is ridiculous

[@VinisKitchen22]

Big if true

[@donaldesf7823]

The wall hack goes on cool down for 5 secs not 2 also they increase his pounce by 60%

[@NoxMedicant]

much needed video, thanks alot !

[@Burzo22]

The Swordmaster E was changed and is now (easily) perfect parried by 2h swords. Any changes to the solo rankings with that in mind?

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@Burzo22 At most I’d move it down from S+ to S. It’s definitely still really strong but I do think it hurts them in the long sword 1v1 for sure :)

[@AyoYamato]

the transition every time you mention a class is just annoying tbh but anyway I agree with the tierlist except cryo on solos

[@chewwa1700]

Cryo is still insane. Easily the best on the game currently with the shield. It’s just… not even fair at the moment. Solos, they are reign.

[@dzzychicken8546]

Completely agree. Cryo in S tier instead of S+ seems like cope

[@VinisKitchen22]

I did put it in S+ for Group play, and was in between S and S+ for solos. But, I just think the wallhacks and mobility of druid as well as the 50% Dmg Reduction and high movespeed of SM are just on a different level than the Ice armor shield. All that to say that I think the amount of survivability and chance to extract you have on SM and Druid if you are playing smart is just absolutely insane, if youre playing calculated as druid you can legit almost never die. On cryo, youve always got the opportunity of just walking into some and getting thunderclapped and pieced up super quick but I dont think the chance of that happening to a druid (leap away) or a SM (50% Dmg reduction just own them in melee) is really all that possible.

[@dkeane6152]

@@VinisKitchen22 The druid couldn't be further away from the best class in the game. It's honestly B tier now with how squishy it is and the cooldowns feel awful. DK and Cryo LoH are the best two classes in the game and it's not close.

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@dkeane6152 A DK is not touching me on Druid in solos to make use of his life on hit I’ll just tell you that much lol 😂

[@dzzychicken8546]

@@VinisKitchen22 In ones Cryo can just walk backwards and kill you. The curse is really strong. Melee classes don’t really stand a chance unless they’ve got really close corridors for some reason. Especially before the patches on the 31st

[@tristantorres8720]

Dude on all classes he gave reasons like "its strong but it got this disadvabtage" with rogue he goes if u are not the top 1 or a trickshooter this isnt for u

[@OneFiveYankee]

I know there's been some class changes recently, is this still an accurate tier list?

[@NavarreSiberis]

I'd like your opinion for the 3v3 deathmatch mode, it's probably similar to 3v3 dungeon, but there's less guesswork in where people are and you don't need to worry about mobs. Cryo is for sure still the best for it, and I know swordmaster is great from personal experience, but outside of that I'm not sure.

[@VinisKitchen22]

I think DK, Priest, Pyro, Cryo, SM are probably the best for the 3v3 deathmatch but there are a lot of different comps that can work. Ive seen teams make triple pyro look disgusting in arenas haha

[@sdunned7842]

They need to vault Druid and cryo.

[@Ak3R0]

You forgot to include one more category, bossing. Priest is S++++ for bossing

[@kintsugi3932]

I agree with everything here. Druid nerfs were questionable. I think the devs are just trying to get a feel for things. Instead of wallhacks there is a lot of workarounds for the ability, but I honestly think it just needs to be a new ability completely. Either it's broken or useless, it will never be balanced.

[@DaReT3mp]

Bro the rouge crossbow build is broken

[@Iceycosmos]

Cryo is the most strong class rn, curse is way to insane

[@michaelprior1966]

People in the comments really need to chill the f out. Reading their triggered comments feels like you attacked them personally with your rating of the classes lol. Like a flock straight into their already broken hearts, poor guys. Nice video, thanks for sharing

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@michaelprior1966 Appreciate that brotha! Yeah I ranked some of these people’s favorite class in S tier or put a class in S tier that they think should be in S+ tier and they acted like I just kicked their dog or something 💀 But I’m also very terrible at giving into that type of shit and need to get better at not responding. I just have a pet peeve against people that just result to using strictly ad-hominems like “you’re delusional” or “you’re coping” and never say anything substantial that addresses whatever they are upset about in the first place.

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@michaelprior1966 and I’m all good with people disagreeing but some of these people really need to just learn how to agree to disagree without assuming that the person they disagree with must be an “idiot”, “coping”, “delusional” etc. 😂

[@raegansaysrawr7]

Definitely not being hard enough on some classes. Making an extra tier above S even

[@Xioxyde_]

Why even have an S+ tier if C and D are basically unused? doesnt make sense to have the majority of the classes split between S and S+. feels a little pointless

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@Xioxyde_ basically because all of the classes feel pretty strong for the most part to me. If you look at the solos tier list for example, Cryomancer feels like S tier to me but at the same time Druid and SM just feel a step above that. I know I could’ve just shifted everything down a notch but idk priest really is the only class to me that feels like it deserved to be down that low

[@neckum3925]

if you had the mithril order classes on this list, where would they go?

[@A_Goat]

F because _Fortune favors the brave_ , not GearFearGarys.

[@mineqaszel351]

Do you stream on twitch?

[@VinisKitchen22]

Not yet, but hopefully soon :)

[@BigTobse]

Still up to date after recent patch?

[@VinisKitchen22]

Yessir, the only thing that is subject to change now would be Rogue being a bit better in group play with their group stealth (Still to be determined if it actually changes the meta at all). Beyond that, all of the other rankings would be the same in my eyes :)

[@Zwei22]

Rogue... S tier? Brother, you just said you weren't basing this on super high end all purple gear. The builds you talk about all use majority purple with specific set combinations and the playstyle is to basically be a ranger. If a melee class, especially an ASSASSIN type class, relies on range to be effective, it is POORLY DESIGNED. I'm sorry that rogue with all BIS purple and that electric set effect shot you with a crossbow for 400 damage + poison, but that is no reason to classify them as S when they are shit by every other metric.

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@Zwei22 I could go buy a mid tier rogue kit for like 40-50k and wipe lobbies with the crossbow. The tier list had nothing to do with whether or not the class was designed well or designed to be a melee assassin, just about strength. I’ve seen them be extremely strong, not just in full purple Bis either.

[@A_Goat]

Idk I've seen several insane rogue players who do not rely on crossbow range or bis gear. In a fight of 4 trio groups, while me and the other team mate got ran through, this rogue just kept running off, stealthing and rushing them from behind landing headshots. In one smooth push he took one of the trio groups, 1 2 3. Ran off and as another group started to loot it, he came back and did it again... Took out 2 of the last people but the very last and final one got him. The whole castle courtyard on werewolf was straight purple beams everywhere. Took out 8 people by himself while they were all together, surrounded by several teams, and with almost starter kit while they had heirlooms and purp kits. I have no idea how you can say this. Probably skill issue.

[@shriizel3667]

You can get 3 perks really easy with rogue and stomp with him without using a crossbow. Source: i played him for 70hrs

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@shriizel3667 agreed, I haven’t played as much rogue but I am well aware of that classes strength in the right hands.

[@bobdickens3674]

informative video, but you speak absolutely way too slowly and this video is almost unwatchable if not for x1.75 speed

[@Anonim-tj2qg]

For solo and trio - for noob people, which class S+?

[@VinisKitchen22]

Probably Cryo, its the easiest class of the ones that are really strong but there is still a lot of skill expression with Cryo undoubtably :).

[@pbomb79]

Agreed a lot for solos until you didnt put cyro in S++++ Tier. Play a melee and make 1 mistake and cyro 100% wins in a straight up fight. Cyro is 100% overloaded due to point n click 300dmg (lowend) that heals with +life on hit with built in slow ability on 4s cooldown with E shield that has 100% uptime giving an extra 300hp if used correctly, more like 450 shielding considering how long fights last.... Yeah cyro is overloadded atm and nothing short of the best class in the game at mid-gear +.

[@pbomb79]

Nah Vini is pretty good at not being biased. So im wondering if hes just been consistently landmined or something by SM xD

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@pbomb79 Look, don’t get me wrong here, I do think Cryo is strong. But, I’ve played all of the top classes a lot, not just Cryo. I’ve probably played Druid twice or three times as much as Cryo at this point. With all that being said I don’t think I’m being biased, because if that were the case I would’ve put druid lower. I think the main reason I put Cryo as S tier though is and I thought I explained this well in the video but maybe not is because essentially what happens on Cryo when you walk directly into a fighter on accident? Or a rogue or Swordmaster just gets on top of you somehow? You’re probably going to die, even though the ice armor shield is quite good I don’t think it really compares to the ability a Druid has to almost instantly leap away that’s on only an 8 second cooldown or literal wall hacks so you cannot be landmined period. And I feel like this issue becomes more prevalent on a map like sinners end to be fair but it can still happen on Castle as well. But realistically I’m chilling with calling Cryo S+ tier I feel like I made it very clear that I went back and forth between putting Cryo in either s or S+ and thought the class was very strong but ultimately just have my reasons for thinking it’s not as strong as Druid or SM. I personally wouldn’t mind taking the 1v1 into Cryo as Druid or SM, just play LOS and if they ever get too close they just die :)

[@Avo4929]

@@VinisKitchen22 you are delusional bruh

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@Avo4929 wow, what a well thought out and enlightening point, that definitely has something to do with Cryo vs Druid and SM :)

[@Avo4929]

@@VinisKitchen22 you perma play with cryo teammate while being dead weight as a druid GL bro

[@Sarionark]

Result : play druids op everywhere lol

[@wanderer2925]

Too bad new patch just came out and nerfed/buffed some classes making this somewhat irrelevant

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@wanderer2925 I don’t think this patch made as much of a difference in the meta as you think 😅 It was a great patch IMO and it definitely knocked Cryo down some in solos and potentially increased the value of rogue in group play. DK got some nice buffs but I mean until we see how the new rogue skill changes the meta I don’t actually think I would change a single position of any of the classes tbh

[@SLlNKl]

no bard gg

[@VinisKitchen22]

Sorry Brotha! 😂

[@PaRaNoiDisLOW]

before the first placement went down i was confronted with "super BiS". Id rather leave now.

[@kingog6659]

Imo cryo is s+

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@kingog6659 I definitely think so for duos and trios but I think the wall hacks on Druid/8 second CD Panther Leap as well as the 50% damage reduction + really high movement speed of Swordmaster just provide a different level of security and self sufficiency than Cryomancers Ice Armor or Ice Block

[@kingog6659]

@VinisKitchen22 yeah I agree there, I think maybe because I have a specific method for killing SMs that it takes away from how strong the class is in general (with a cryo ofcourse) but that druid tho f@#* me that thing is so irritating haha

[@dzzychicken8546]

Lmao, Cryomancer is easily just as good as SM and Druid. There’s no way it belongs in the same category as Rouge and Pyro

[@skullreda2762]

rouge is d tier for sure

[@unpolished6296]

#Skill issue

[@Brotection_]

@@unpolished6296 I think he means melee rogue. In that case he's objectively correct. Ranged? Extremely strong but still clunky and weird to build. Would be nice if the class had more options. But I don't think we can complain given the state priest and the melee classes are in.

[@schonfeld5158]

whats a rouge

[@c_almighty6869]

Bruh ain’t no way….. tell me you played rogue 1 match without telling me m…

[@Brotection_]

@@c_almighty6869 He's referring to melee rogue probs not ranged which u need good gear for anyways

[@AskiSin]

so bad tier list for solo XD Cryo S+ Druid S SM A+ DK A Fighter A- Rogue A- Pyro B+ Priest D

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@AskiSin then why is pyro and rogue at the top of the solo leaderboards? 🤔 Edit: oh and SM as well

[@AskiSin]

@@VinisKitchen22 first of all couple players dont make characters top tiers. Second of all these leaderboard works so bad, u have to play only 5 matches to be in there, so just make new character and try to have the most kills in 5 matches and u can leave it for a while and still be in top.

[@VinisKitchen22]

@@AskiSin I honestly think the leaderboards are designed pretty well, and if everything you said is true then we’d be seeing people get the same numbers or higher than rogue and pyro by just making new characters and playing 5 matches but we’re not.

[@AskiSin]

@@VinisKitchen22 like what i said, it is literally written in the describe of leaderboard.

[@AskiSin]

@@VinisKitchen22 and literally first 6 pyros in LB are same person XDDDDD

[@KEUNGCHAK]

TALK TOO MUCH

[@VinisKitchen22]

Noted :)

[@BocianeqU_]

bro fell off

[@edm5034]

get out of here lil kid

[@Astrolaria_]

how bro felt saying that

[@BocianeqU_]

@@edm5034 youre prob a little kid watching fcking dungeonborne lol

[@VinisKitchen22]

Bro saying this aint even get up anywhere to fall off yet xd

[@BocianeqU_]

@@VinisKitchen22 is this from like tiktok? not everyone tryna be a youtuber