The Ultimate Guide To 2v2 | AoE2

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Gonna make a similar one for 3v3 and 4v4 if this video does well!

[@atomickipachaka821]

Is 4v4 not just two 2v2's or is it dangerous to think like that?

[@shawman25]

Definitely looking forward to the 3v3 and 4v4 videos. My team game win rate plummets drastically compared to 2v2

[@atomic3193]

Yes pls I play those the most often

[@TWITCH.JAVASAR]

Perhaps how effective slinging could be as well in 3+

[@HomerJZoro]

please do me and my dad play a lot of 2v2 so this was a great video idea

[@pbsoccer2]

Pro tip: Best way to win a 2V2 is to have Hera on your team with a hussar civ

[@PauxloE]

In 2v2 you usually don't want to go for thrash units, as there is so much gold due to trade.

[@jorgenieto1343]

Love the peaceful scene in the background at the beginning

[@JohnSmith-tk7nt]

Great video and will be very helpful for the community. I play mostly team games and some people are just clueless what to do and it's over before it even starts. (i.e. They don't wall, don't make feudal military, and quit as soon as the enemy arrives saying "2v1, stupid teammate gg". Next I would love to see a short video detailing the common Ranked pool maps and basic strategies. It is extremely frustrating to play a map like Migration and your teammates don't make Navy and never move off their island giving you no realistic chance to ever compete. I played a Amazon Tunnel the other day, it all climaxed in one giant Imperial fight and my teammate used the 40 minutes of booming to mass.... Skirmishers...

[@_jamessimmons]

Second this comment! I had a pocket player ask the team to build a town centre at their base which was odd then they resigned without saying anything to us.

[@germanpenn]

I was archers and my pocket was Aztecs. He went FC, so I struggled to survive 2v1 for a long time, until at min 26 he came with… 3 eagles

[@JohnSmith-tk7nt]

@@germanpenn Ya a lot of people jump and choose the pocket civs, which I don't mind if they have a plan to help the flank in castle age. But too many players just wanna Goths pocket and boom for 40 minutes until they can flood. And often by the time they get there the flank is dead and the game is lost. It's very frustrating and I've played literally probably a hundred games where you never even see your pocket before you are 2v1 to death in feudal and early castle age

[@cybersteel8]

I really like this type of content. Really educational and your editor did a good job with the visuals. Super quality stuff mate.

[@noidontwantthat7237]

No…I DONT WANT THAT! MY TEAMMATE NOT LEAVING HIS ENTIRE SIDE TO DEFEND MY STUPID UNWALLED BASE? I WANT HIM TO SUPPORT MY BASE AND MY BASE ONLY! EVEN AFTER 80% OF MY BASE IS DESTROYED, I WANT HIM TO THINK OF MY BASE FOR A WHILE, 10 YEARS AT LEAST! perfect timing for this video since I have been playing 2v2s a lot recently

[@gn02097230]

Love this series, keep it up Hera. Greetings from Manitoba

[@spicytranslations9604]

This video was awesome! Really opened my eyes to a lot of new aspects of the game.

[@babylonvampyre5357]

Great vid! Maybe also a 1v1 version where you go over general situations for general matchups. Like a cav vs an archer civ or archer vs archer

[@daczero22]

Great idea! I"d enjoy that a lot too

[@Zure619]

I can't even put into words how good this guide is. Especially how you explained the whole archer/cav matchup. I really hope for a 1v1 guide in the same style of this video, but I feel like you covered most of it here already.

[@TheRealSomeone92]

Very nice, I was waiting for this video for the last two weeks ever since you mentioned you would be making on. I am more interested in a 4v4 guide next than a 3v3 one.

[@wilimeteiml]

Thank you. Hera. Absolut Legend.

[@ramonantoniolli7379]

A quick note for imperial wars: don't rely on forests as a part of your wall, they can be cut with onagers

[@Don_Hector]

tbf walls can be destroyed by onagers as well so might as well have a free wall

[@ramonantoniolli7379]

@@Don_Hector , stone walls take some time to be destroyed, but trees are gone with just one onager shot! Not to mention, if your walls are attacked, u receive a warning sound, but if trees are cut, if u are not paying attention, it can be f*cked up!

[@ramonantoniolli7379]

@@Don_Hector , this isn't a good idea because trees are gone with just 1 onager shot, and the player doesn't receive any alarm sound. Without paying attention, this could turn the tides of the match. With stone walls, it would take some time to destroy them, and the player will be warned as well!

[@Nysyarc]

I love playing 2v2s with my brother online and this is a great guide. Even helps when solo queueing, although sometimes you get teammates who just want to do their own thing. The other day I got teamed up with a guy in an Arabia 2v2 who picked Cumans, so I went Britons and asked if he was going scouts in Feudal, he didn't respond. Feudal hits and I'm getting raided by enemy scouts, I push it back and finish walling only to hear like 20 rapid-fire flares from my teammate on his base. I send my archers over and then realize he's attempting to 2 TC boom in Feudal with a huge unwalled backside of his base and is frantically signaling me like I'm supposed to defend him against 2 players' armies alone. Then he just resigns without a gg. Good times.

[@TheNethertyp]

Great tip with the expanding the walls in super late game. We'll definitely do that from now on. Would have loved a segment on Nomad and closed maps.

[@daczero22]

Nomad and Arena videos would be nice ideas indeed!

[@connyson]

Great video! I’ve been playing team games online for a couple of months and we often come up short in post imperial games. Now I finally know why! People are just ruthlessly decimating their villagers for strategic purposes. What a game.

[@tristanadamson285]

Hell yeah me and my friends have been trying to figure out the best way to play these for a couple years

[@kekstruppe1263]

Beautiful, Hera. Exactly what I need!

[@rinkaxel]

Great video. Completely understood you had to take a break but SO good to see you back on AoEII brother!

[@phuzlon]

Really enjoyed this guide. Especially since aoe is in console now. Was a huge help.

[@caleb4836]

Thank you! There are so few resources on team games, really hoping to see the 3v3 and 4v4 guides soon! Question: how many trade carts should each player aim for in the super late game?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

50 is a good number

[@robertschack6341]

girlfriend and I just found out last night to make more than 10 lol I just sent her a screenshot of this thank you for everything we get so many more wins because of you

[@wardf.3274]

You play 2v2s with your girlfriend? Relationship goals 😍

[@EliasHasle]

@@wardf.3274 Me too. With my wife.

[@johnzenc1984]

Less strategies viable the more players there are? 2v2 seems very strict strategy-wise. Is 3v3 and 4v4 way more cheesy? Nice and comprehensive video, thank you

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

3v3 has the most strats viable.

[@johnzenc1984]

That makes me glad to hear as a low ELO player. it's confusing for those that can't play a lot to adjust to 2v2, 3v3 or 4v4 on the fly and depending on maps. Looking forward to the other videos

[@cah11111]

Yeah, 2v2 is typically the most restrictive because you can make each person responsible for building the 2 best gold units in the game that fill different strategic niches and perfectly cover each other's counters. 3v3s and 4v4s are a little more wild strategically because you can (and should) still devote 2 people to building archer line and knight line, but the third/fourth person can be your wild card(s) that go for something individually strong, but requires a lot of time or setup like Magyar CA or Aztec monks. Of course, if you're not Hera good, your mileage will vary, and sometimes it's less about building what is strategically best, and more about what you want to build to have fun.

[@bonal89]

one of the best aoe2 content of all time.

[@niknitro8751]

Absolutely awesome. I was hoping for a video like this for a long time.

[@faruksarihan]

Bruh, this is gold. Is this really for free? Let's hope my opponents don't watch this and learn how to play 2v2s Kappa. Really looking forward to 3v3 and 4v4 video as well. Thanks.

[@madeiraislander]

We are watching, we're ALL watching! 1111

[@_jamessimmons]

🙌 🙌 🙌 I don't play 2v2 as I have no idea of how to play it and worry I'll let my teammate down. I also thought of it as 2 1v1s until today. Thanks Hera, love your work!

[@Jompa10]

Really useful! I learnt a lot of new tips even tho I've seen all of your videos! That trade carts and walls is something I never do

[@tylerwhitney2591]

This was great! You should definitely make the others!!! Perhaps also the "Closed" version as well since Black Forest and Arabia probably have different strategies :) Thanks for the great content!

[@TheNethertyp]

Here are some fun, cheesy 2v2 strategies for some of the non-Arabia-type maps not covered by Hera. Just sharing these because I feel like it. Hideout - Khmer + X. Both fast castle, Khmer player goes for new, improved Ballista Elephants. Send the first to cut a path through the wood to your teammate, the second one to the adjacent opponent. Teammate streams in Knights, Conqs or similar. Have a plan for Monks. Teammate could go Teutons for example. Khmer should be able to get Castle Age at ~14 min (25 vills) and build Castle immediately. Arena - Italians + Cumans. Cuman does fast Feudal 2 TC boom, then Castle Age into Knights. Italian does Fast Imperial with Blacksmith, Market, and Castle. Click up to Feudal at 26 vills. On the way up to Imp, get Bow Saw, Bodkin Arrow, and start building Genoese Crossbows. Have the Cuman sling some food if necessary. In Imp, build two trebs, then either start attacking or defend against a likely Castle Drop. Usually this strategy is played with Turks instead of Italians, but Italian fast Imperial is two vills faster, so it is much easier to defend against Castle drops as Trebs come out much quicker. Also, Genoese are tremendous for defending Trebs against Cavalry charges. This strategy crushes most Castle drops, which are very common on Arena. Oasis or Black Forest - Burgundians + Mongols. Burgundian goes for 5 TC boom (if left undisturbed), +2 additional TCs after clicking up to Imperial. Go up to 200 vills. Mongol does a standard boom and goes for Drill Siege Rams. Mongol sends racing car rams into the enemy wall and Burgundian clicks Flemish Revolution. Then reboom and stream in Coustillier or Paladin. Mongol streams in Mangudai. African Clearing - Japanese + Mayans. Super unorthodox strategy. Mayan builds base more towards the edge of the map, Japanese in the center. As Japanese, don't waste any time finding the right TC spot. Just build as quickly as possible. You can always build an additional drop-off building for 50 wood. Abuse the eco bonus. Build two Mills around all ponds with 4 fish and send one villager to each fish. Click up to Feudal at 22 vills. While going up to Castle, build a few Spears to defend against incoming Scout rushes. In Castle Age, build a Castle that defends gold and wood. Contract your economy mostly around your TC and Castle. Start building Samurai. Mayan goes Fast Castle and Eagles. Start harassing villagers or destroy buildings. Samurai cut through buildings like butter. At around ~12 Samurai and a few eagles, get Arson, then start diving TCs and take them out. The strategy can work against Knights, Archers, even Cav Archers, but will lose to Conqs.

[@orionl7406]

I've been playing 4v4 extreme AI recently and these tips obviously can apply to that too

[@joansolo7543]

Such a useful video! Thanks for your patient explanations, Hera.

[@TheMaxiFruite]

So many good advices. I'll make sure to watch it back a couple of extra times. Ty bro

[@willianmiranda1370]

Amazing video.. just awesome. Thanks very much. Not only the info but the way you brought it

[@MajorBuzzkill23]

Great informative video! Might be interesting later to comment on some specific 2v2 situations like cuman feudal ram push on arena etc.

[@SerFinchalot]

Thanks Hera! Really good video. Really looking forward to the 3v3 and 4v4 versions!

[@G31GER_AOE]

awesome video have been waiting for this series

[@rodrigofeliperosa-medinapi2386]

Looking forward to the 3v3, my mates and me desperately need it!

[@FatalExit]

Awesome video, hope you get the likes because I would love to see you cover the larger team games!

[@b0nsaibear]

Awesome to see some love for team games!

[@seanwang5060]

So great Hera, can’t wait to see the 3v3 and 4v4 vids

[@molloz98]

18:10 that vill boxing with a wolf 1111 man I love this new event XD

[@juanduarte4559]

Great guide!!! I love TM resources! As usual Hera, great content, keep it up!

[@TheCptNutter]

Quality video, thank you. Question: in Castle age you mention that there are different strategies for both the archer and cav player. Should both players mimic the play? Like if an archery player goes all in, should the team mate also do the same?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

Great question. I believe that the best strategy is for 1 to go all in and for 1 to boom and add some army to be able to carry the game later

[@TheCptNutter]

@@HeraAgeofEmpires2 thanks for the response and also it's fantastic you engage so much with the community and read comments and questions like mine!

[@gabord13]

Thanks a lot for that and for any similar videos in the future.

[@omeryugenkorat8783]

Wow amazing video, super clear and informative, thanks!

[@chriswhite702]

Awesome video! Excited for 3v3 guide!

[@thelastgreataudit8112]

I remember you posting a few 2v2 videos with Roxy. I certainly wouldn't mind a couple more of those sprinkled in. Also, why are there so few 2v2 pro tournaments?

[@tinyman1144]

People find 1v1s to be more interesting/dynamic since trade isn't an option and you don't have the "roles", requiring the players to make a mix of army instead of full streamlining one unit

[@thelastgreataudit8112]

@@tinyman1144 Oh I get it, but the odd 2v2 sprinkled in would be a little variety. Another "role" as it were. I play multi-player with friends mostly, so the odd pro-level idea would be fun.

[@volkerflag6986]

Finally! Thanks for the tips

[@atomickipachaka821]

Been waiting for these vids for soooooo long😁

[@stuartmacaulay5761]

I find at the stage where you are rebalancing eco/deleting vills, it can be good to tribute your ally if he's missing a crucial up before deleting (eg siege onager or elite). Can be handy to stockpile a bit extra food etc so when you go for the killing blow, you can replace your units easily whilst draining theirs.

[@forsakenquery]

WHAT A VIDEO. I have questions... 1 ) Do siege and monks have a role in Castle, or just too vulnerable? Are relics worth chasing in general (eg no lithuanians)? 2) What are the other late game comps (if any) that are viable (SO, gunpowder, UU, etc.)? 4) Is the closed land or nomad maps meta drastically different (like cav seem less vital, infantry more viable on arena)? 5) How do you stop aggressive castle drops? Seems difficult to me, as you can't kill 20 vills while also fighting an army. Or is this just a low ELO problem (ie map awareness prevents it)?

[@user-sl6gn1ss8p]

I was so expecting siege onagers to come from all sides and tear everything down at the end

[@valenta6395]

This all new videos are awesome. Congrats! Keep going

[@M4llorn]

Dope video! Gonna send this to my teammates, let's see if they start protecting my feudal archers 🫠. Thx!

[@cyb3r297]

Hera glad you're back. In my opinion you have some of the best analysis in the community. Question: Knights and archer meta is obviously dominant for a reason, though it can seem repetitive after a while. Are there any maps and/or civ match ups where it is possible to deviate from the meta but still be competitive?

[@jonesen4395]

I guess battle elephants + xbows could beat knights + xbows but they are just sooo vulnerable to monks

[@benjamintolley6601]

Great video! Very informative. Love the content Hera

[@lowikhoeken2463]

love you heraaaa!! Cant wait to hang out at twitch again dude!

[@nichtbekannt5072]

insane quality content at the moment. Keep it up!

[@johnnyroe8053]

Omg I'm so happy you made this lmao

[@venslugen]

Thanks Hera! Some guides to water maps would also be super useful. These maps are sometimes so impossible to win...

[@0skaremil]

Amazing video, well done!

[@mintslice9416]

Love this! Definitely need the 3v3 video!

[@Danicastil5]

Hera, amazing as always, thanks!

[@JuanManuelVe]

Great video Hera. Here a question: do you recomend use CA and knight? Is good that army combination?

[@GOOSEpooo]

Great video! Me and my bros play team games all the time. Look forward to more of these vids

[@KingGarbagePuss]

This is some high value content. Thank you!

[@TomBrosch]

I found this really helpful. Do you also have a 3v3 or 4v4 guide?

[@LeicaFleury]

LES GOOO loved this video!

[@andomlyranonymous6488]

This is really good. Sharing with friends so they know not to go all in trash in team games then wonder why we lose. :')

[@Schulthi90]

Thank you, exactly what i needed!

[@Mercurialites]

Love the vid. Might be the best one you've done

[@mjl1120]

amazing! looking forward to 3v3!

[@viktorkm9784]

I've been playing 1v1 until I've got 69 wins and 69 loses. Now I play team games only

[@noecanva2822]

Great content, could use a part 2, like when your video on micro, where you show footage of certain situation in real game where you used those concept, and how it translate and won you some game.

[@ar1sm70]

Not many videos out there for team games, thanks!

[@ramonantoniolli7379]

Golden vídeo!

[@riccardocorradini6713]

Great content as always! Hera what is your opinion on Silk Road UT? Seems pretty tailor made for TG but conflicts with the fact of needing to trade early as you sayd osntead of waiting for a tech, and the effect is pretty underwhelming too imho. Am i missing something?

[@elliottazw9680]

Thanks Hera that was really helpful

[@losmem6354]

Excelent content!! Really unique and well made!

[@lacomarcaags1]

Great video! Thxs Hera!! Hope you do the 3v3 and 4v4!

[@markvanderwerf8592]

Any (unique) units viable to transition to instead of archers/knights? Genoese? Boyar? Keshik's? Cav archers? In theory a bunch of UU should be a fair bit more effective than the Knight or archer against other Knight+archer comps, i guess the transition is just too hard?

[@MrMoty91]

I've been looking for something like this

[@federicomarroni7713]

Thanks, very informative! What about all the recent civs that don't get knights and sometimes not the best xbows, for instance Gurjaras or Bengali? Are they just suboptimal for 2v2 or is there a way to make them work in the meta? Considering that Gurjaras 1v1 is one of the best civs at the moment...

[@zachwayt3874]

commentinf for da algorithm

[@brianabraham8726]

One thing I was wondering: In feudal, would you rather attack your archer players opponent, because it's easier for the scouts to run the longer distance or is it more important to attack your opponents scout player?

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

yes thats good

[@vladhorf]

Thanks Hera, as always incredibly helpful to make the gears of war more efficient, do you still cosch individually? Would love To hire your expertise in handling the new mongols

[@juanm223]

great video!!! waiting for those 4v4 vids too!

[@kengordon635]

Would love to see the 3v3 and 4v4 videos if you are making them

[@agus2236]

Nice!! Thank you!

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

np bro

[@agenoob8245]

Hi Hera, thanks for making this video! Do you have a tip for how to effectively group up your army with the one your team mate? My team mate and I always struggle with this because of the different unit speeds.

[@spiriidor8458]

Amazing video! Thank yoy

[@vianney768]

Great vid !

[@ORy652]

please, definitely make a 3v3 and 4v4 guides

[@rodrigofeliperosa-medinapi2386]

Looking forward to the 3v3 and 4v4

[@j.p.691]

Thanks for the video 😘

[@sauravtripathi4128]

Cavalry Archers, especially Mangudai, counter both Archers (except Briton Archer units and Genoese Crossbowmen) especially with Parthian Tactics or Silk Armor; and Cavalry, especially with Recurve Bow The only exception for an Archer player to have farmers is Dravidians who need food for Siege Elephants What's the role of quirky 1vs1 units like Conquistidors and Coustilliers on Arabia like maps?

[@Sejarcor]

awesome video! waiting for 3vs3 tips

[@luisrobles2507]

Amazing !! Thanks !

[@HeraAgeofEmpires2]

np!

[@solaire2904]

the village looks so wholesome lol

[@33catch33]

I’m going to be a menace thanks abu hera😈