The Ultimate Showdown: Toyota GR Yaris 2020 vs 2024

[@anubistar]

Thank you! I am definitely opting to keep my Mk1 GR wich is already a 350hp rocket. I will further develop the GR according to what Toyota considered "the weak points",. Much respect to Toyota: they DO listen to costumers and improve the products.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Well said, mate, I am doing the same, and also very thankful to Toyota

[@timwattison4419]

Great idea to update the iffy bits, would be great if a tuning company would take this work on so we could all upgrade 😀

[@EVO_Engineering]

Thanks for the video! I Love the new interior very much.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Glad you like it!

[@LeafyLumens]

But the lights in back are wierd af:))

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Not easy mate!

[@NigelsModellingBench]

I will keep my 2020 GRY, it is stock and I love it. Yes, the display and the low mirror is a bit annoying, but in fact, when sitting in the car the line of sight is not obstructed by the binnacle as it is actually lower than the base of the windscreen... and... the new Dash looks like something out of a 1980's Nissan. I think it's great they included an oil cooler, and more oil capacity for the TC I believe? No one has mentioned price yet? I wonder how much it will be? Remember the 2020 model was over £37K retail here in the UK at the end of '22. Maybe this new one will be £39K?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

I agree with all the points, so right about the ‘80s Nissan 😂😂😂😭😂😂😂 In Italy they said it will be a bit more expensive, let’s see!!

[@romka_ind]

It's funny cause I went into my car and in my position which is lowest for stock car and quite close to steering wheel, I see wipers and screen doesn't obstruct the view. Also I'm short, and I reach all the buttons without leaning forward 😂 seems the only thing that is nice is mirror replacement.

[@whatsmining9917]

Keep it a future classic no one will want a mk2 in 10 years a stock mk1 will go up in value when they become rare

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@@whatsmining9917 I think they will want both, depending on how good cars they prove to be, past isn't always good prediction for future in my opinion!

[@Genagroznyj]

@@PIRASMotorsport you can now put an order for MK2 in Poland. The price is 214,000 zloty = 50.000 euro + paint 600-670 euro + VIP package 3700 EUR witch include options like heating seats, heating steering wheel, forget rims, JBL 8 speaker system and some other minor features for daily driving which will not improve driving performance. I want to purchase GR Yaris, but with these prices I am wondering if new MK1 (40.000 eur)+ some upgrades would be a better option. Another option would be to go with MK2 without VIP package. What do you think?

[@devilmaycry383]

I have a 2021 GR Yaris in Precious Black, still a nice looking car. I do like the refinements and face-lift design of the 2024 model, so I am planning to swap.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Compare our cars to Evo’s: after over twenty years they are all still desirable!

[@johnybigarms]

Excellent video, as a non GRY owner, I must say it’s a no brainer to buy the new, the mods are so vast it’s more than just a refresh, it’s a different car.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

yes, absolutely if you are planning on keeping the car mostly stock!

[@timwattison4419]

Great if you have the extra 12K. I'd rather have the original homologation version and update it in various areas.

[@amaetfacquodvis2450]

Thank you!

[@PIRASMotorsport]

You're welcome!

[@christianfriedrichs]

I think they opted for the variable torque split, because this way, the center differential can stay longer in the front biased mode and thus reduce the heat it generates. I saw a lot of videos of tuned GR Yaris, where they went into the only front drive mode on track. I would have wished for more cooling there too!

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, this is true. Another parallel reason is that they can lock more in certain situations, based on all the other sensor variables, to reduce understeer. All of this amounts to a less natural driver feeling. Just add proper cooling and the Syvecs control unit if you do a lot of track work with wide and sticky tires!

[@christmasisawesome9348]

@@PIRASMotorsport Could you go through what you meant by a proper cooling? Thanks

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@@christmasisawesome9348 of course: hood vents and a good oil cooler!

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes mate!

[@elbertronaldvanhameren6975]

Great video man! I have a 2020 GRY, and now I know the diffs between the cars. I'm not yet sure if I want to swap to new but thanks for sharing your info. Hope to hear more over time :-) I subscribed :-)

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Thankyou Elbert, I really appreciate it! Please share and help to support this community I am building! Always here to reply to Your questions 👍

[@elbertronaldvanhameren6975]

@AdrianoJamesPiras yes, already shared your video with some of my GRY friend and owners in Netherlands and Sweden

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Thankyou, most appreciated!

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Also hood vents available for all those interested, both WRC and Rally.2 versions

[@Anthony-mu3to]

@@elbertronaldvanhameren6975the same in France Good job congratulations 🎉🎉🎉

[@twinring3846]

Tempted to import a gen 2 from Japan to UK, better spec, comes with front and rear parking sensors, all the safety features, heated seats, and heating steering wheel as standard. What do you reckon? Looks about £44k including, shipping, VAT and duty.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

That is an option for sure: but do you really need all that extra safety equipment on a car like this one?

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Thanks A , good and proper info

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Glad it was helpful!

[@adamski1400]

2024 may be technically superior but not much for the road.. and 2020 looks much better in my opinion

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, the original looks beautiful!

[@timwattison4419]

Definitely. I just brought a 2022 Power white Curcuit version, great looking car that I'm going to be making some subtle enhancement too over the next couple of years. I've already swapped out the steering wheel for a Alcantara version, next in line is lowering the seats by 35mm, then it will be ride height, spacers and better rear spoiler. I'm happy with the power, but might do stuff in the future if it's gives the car more security and reliability. Generally it's a great looking car that I intend to keep into my old age 😀

[@LT8272]

thanks. but do you think the auto gearbox can handle more torque if we increase the engine power?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

These gearboxes from ZF usually handle a lot more, yes, but this is an assumption and I could not say more without any hard data

[@rlrrlrll]

Thank you for the video! I was wondering if it really is a variable awd system that it not set like the driver wants. As you pointed out for yourself, I also don't like that the car wouldn't behave the same everytime. I guess with syvec, this could be changed on a 2024 version just as simple as on the older one. I am currently looking for one, if I can, I will buy the older one for a bit cheaper and maybe spend money additionally, or buy a newer one and change the awd settings to not be variable.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, I agree with what you say, happy to help! Also, keep in mind that the new one has better torque splits than the Gen.1 (where I always end up in 50:50). Ultimately it also depends on how you set up your chassis (angles, arms,coilovers and tires). The Syvecs enables you to cater for everything, including changing grip scenarios, having different settings

[@rlrrlrll]

@@PIRASMotorsport Happy to hear that others think the same! As you were talking about the torque split, i had to smile and thought that guy gets it :D I don't know yet if I like 50:50 or what the second generation has. A few years ago I owned subarus so I guess I would want that feeling back. I guess I will try both first gen and second gen and go with my gut feeling and what interior I like better. Once I drive and feel I need to change, I can still do that.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes; GR’s feel very different from Subaru’s and EVO’s, as they are lighter and don’t have overhang weight front & rear. Therefore they are more nervous at their limits, and you don’t have that drift inertia you may have come accustomed to. You can make them much better thru performance mods, but this car will always favour grip driving and small drifts to big ones

[@gj3281]

Another super interesting video. So even with the uprated valve springs in the 2024 model, you’re saying the kelford springs would still better? Or are you just referring to the cams? Thanks

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Cams 100%, springs most probably… the new head (like the Corolla) has larger exhaust valves/valve seats, so there are some substantial differences, that can be overcome by turning your Gen.1 engine. In real life this counts only when making bery high power, over 380+ bhp on this engine

[@oghi]

Hi, aswesome content here. It really opened my eyes on the more technical side. I am thinking of ordering the new version when it will be available. My question is, how does the car (2020 version)handle bad roads, potholes, speed bumps, etc.? Thank you.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Hello there, cheers! It handles the bad roads quite well, comfortably. The Gen.2 is a bit stiffer. Stock suspension will cavitate on very bad roads, but it is a hood setuy

[@larrieustephane6519]

Merci 🙏

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Biensur, dorriere!

[@ericvermeulen9853]

Like that the front bumper has a function to cool the additional cooling and went away with the useless fog lights

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes

[@joannavarro1612]

Yesss!!, thanks for the video🤩

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Thankyou for watching and feedback, it takes a lot of work behind the scenes 😅

[@lauriedooker1031]

The new switches location behind the gear selector on the new flat dash is a move backwards me thinks . My 2022 has those same switches parallel to the hand brake . So I could find them every time without looking . I hold the hand brake as though I’m going to pull on it but then reach out towards my seat with my thumb and they just are under my thumb . Like wise air con . Grab the hand brake like stated point forward index and I’m on target every time . 🇦🇺👍 and ❤️ these videos .

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, I agree: as another mentioned, the dash does look as if coming out of an '80s Nissan :-)

[@erwinpaumen132]

Are you sure that the 2024 model has also an engine oil cooler and not only an oil cooler for the automatic gearbox?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

I haven’t seen the car in person yet, have reported the information shared by Toyota: it could be s larger exchanger or an additional cooler. Do you have any more first hand news?

[@erwinpaumen132]

@@PIRASMotorsport unfortunately I haven't. I can tell you when I got mine delivered in August 2024.😀

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Cheers: before that we should get access to the service manuals at Toyota

[@erwinpaumen132]

@@PIRASMotorsport As far as I can see into some videos, they have into the front bumper an extra coolant radiator on the right and on the left a ATF cooler for the automatic gearbox.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@erwinpaumen132 yes, I see the same, but we need verified information before stating for sure

[@NigelsModellingBench]

I just worked it out.. the shape of the dash in the Mk2 is the same as a 1980's Cadillac Allante lol.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Hahhahaa, yes, just went to check it out, so right!!

[@rocfella]

google jpn taxi toyota dash

[@NigelsModellingBench]

@@rocfella hahaha!!

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes hahahhaaa

[@shoestar9972]

Buying a nearly new GR Yaris MK1 saves you around 15K EUR compared to prices of MK2 here in Germany. Do you think its worth it? I dont go on tracks and with 15K you can modify A LOT.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

You are doing the right thing! Actually I just recorded a video about this, that will be released publicly on Thursday: its already online, but only for channel members

[@lambrosstamos4494]

I would like some more info on LSDs. There is Cusco, ATS, Drexler etc. So many solutions for a difficult topic that you can easily make a mess out of it. Furthermore, this piston thing and bulletproofing the engine. I've heard of this ItalianRP company. Are they any good? And yes you should make a proper video review of the 2024 one. I don't know about journalists but certainly the average Car-KZbinr doesn't have the engineering knowledge nore the driving talent he thinks he has. And finally, take it to the Nurburgring. That was a long one. Come on algorithm.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Thankyou mate, I will do my best to answer your questions and come back with new videos on the various topics

[@richardmueller6322]

Would be interesting to know that they addressed the oil starvation issues under hard braking and in right hand corners? Lots of broken rods on cylinder 1 for track drivers....

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, I have confirmation that the oil pan is different

[@richardmueller6322]

@@PIRASMotorsport for me that is by far the most important update. Anything else is marginal and can easily be updated.

[@chrisschneiders6734]

Great job, very informative considering you can't get the car yet. Can l wait a year in australia thou..hmm not sure.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@@chrisschneiders6734decisions, decisions… 😂

[@matttownsend473]

Adriano, are you sure the uprated pistons are from the GR Corolla? I’m about to rebuild my 2020 GRY and will use the GRC pistons if they are stronger.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

They are stronger for sure! It’s an informed guess based on many small information, and industrial costs: they already improved the same engine for the GRC, why do a third iteration?

[@cestmoi7829]

Gen 2 for an increase in price of 12k euro?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, I remain with modified Gen1!!

[@webbieuk]

In UK. Be lucky to get 30k part ex . New one likely to be 40k so 10k to change not worth it

[@NigelsModellingBench]

I agree 100%. Having said that the value of mine is up and down like prostiutes knickers, ranges between £27k and 32k on WBAC week by week??

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@NigelsModellingBench wow, didn’t know that!

[@user-kr9fx7xt9q]

7:34 ​@@PIRASMotorsportYou mean the " prostitutes' knickers"

[@EVO_Engineering]

I saw the upright Handbrake, how awesome is that! But I assume they won't bring it to the EU production car?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

It is an option on the AT in Japan, hope it comes to Europe too!

[@lauriedooker1031]

They also said the new 2024 gr Yaris has double A arm rear suspension and as us gr Yaris owners know the rear is multi link . Not true . Researched the old suspension specs for my gr Yaris and it states double A arm also . Again not true .🇦🇺👍 good information

[@PIRASMotorsport]

That is curious!

[@yaboiyosef7640]

I love all the changes of the 2024 but WHY did they have to go and ruin the exterior aesthetics as well?? Not to mention the digital speedo which is a personal gripe of mine

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, certain things that work could be evolved instead of disruptive. Also the digital dash could had been done better in the HMI design… the dash itself looks very cheap now!

[@nazarpredatorak]

Exterior is fine. The interior tho... It's the most ugly thing I've seen in my life

[@PIRASMotorsport]

😂😂😂

[@webbieuk]

A hks tune box adds 20bhp and makes boost same as 2024 for £280

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, and EcuTek now gives you full control on the ecu like a Syvecs or Motec now!

[@onehorsepower]

​@@PIRASMotorsportreally? Also valve timing, E85 fuelling etc?

[@PrimalBlue-l6o]

La nuova e un Frankenstein nel dash..........terribile, ma mechanicalmente mi sembra superioure. Grazie Adriano.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Concordo!

[@k-9iqdogtrainingandadulted511]

Mi puoi dire se la nuova abia HUD?

[@PrimalBlue-l6o]

Mi puoi dire se la nuova abia HUD?@@PIRASMotorsport

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@jeanclaudebertoni6262 non ho riscontri ufficiali ma, dovrebbe averlo come optional, uguale alla Mk1. Era solo raro da trovare, montabile in post montaggio

[@londonman8688]

auto or manual for new one ?

[@PIRASMotorsport]

If you daily drive it Auto, also track work. Rally should work better with manual. Auto will probably retain better residual value

[@NigelsModellingBench]

Remember this is not DCT, this is a slush box with a torque converter. Manual all day long!! Just look at how popular the Auto GT86 is compared to the manual.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

For extreme use yes, all day!

[@bcm70]

It has to be manual for me. We have a Model Y for the family car and it's dead boring just getting in an pressing the accelerator. I enjoy my Megane RS a lot more simply because it's manual. I owned one of the 77 ST205 GT4s that came to Australia back in the mid 90s, so the Yaris really appeals. I'll learn to live with the dash. In the end it's about having fun driving the car, not staring at the dash. Great video Adriano. I've been working my way through all of your older videos. They are really well presented.

[@NigelsModellingBench]

@@chrisandshazza01 I have read this yeah, but it’s still an auto lol.

[@richardyorke9055]

The main thing is the chassis is that from the grmn. Considerably stiffer

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Yes, but is it worth the extra money? You can achieve the same on gen.1 cars with less money

[@richardyorke9055]

When you consider the other improvements, like Rotheli racing said, it's simply a better car. So I would suggest it is worth the money

[@richardyorke9055]

@AdrianoJamesPiras I guess not worth buying if you have already upgraded gen 1.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@@richardyorke9055 yes, absoloutely not mate!

[@richardyorke9055]

Sorry I thought I had posted this but must have messed up. From litchfields' website Our fully re-calibrated engine management system, provides significant increases to both power and torque. This customised ECU mapping uses the latest Ecutek software which we have helped develop and it releases considerably more power than standard or ‘off the shelf tunes’ and the process is straight forward and involves us installing our bespoke connect straight onto the ECU which offers fast programming or the option to revert back to standard.

[@ogrigoros131]

I prefer 2020 looks much better insdise and out.

[@PIRASMotorsport]

I personally agree with You, all the way!

[@ahkau4612]

Evo1 vs Mk2

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Evo 8 vs Evo 9 is similar

[@ahkau4612]

@@PIRASMotorsport kzbin.info/www/bejne/mZmolaCJq9WSoqc 26:34 some turbo lag (8 MAT)

[@whatsmining9917]

Mk1 looks better & will be the one to keep if the mk2 is auto with electric handbrake no thanks

[@PIRASMotorsport]

I don’t know about electric handbrake? Could you inform please?

[@edmundyeoh752]

There ain't electric handbrake, they are still the traditional handbrake even in the AT version, as far as I know, Toyota gazoo has done new tuning or invention specific for the AT trans for those who might need it as their daily, but still may enjoy the rally experience as much as they possibly could. In my opinion it's a good option for some ppl who stays in big city and facing a lot of traffics as their daily. Still I'm gonna to keep my 2021 gry... Still loving it everyday

[@PIRASMotorsport]

@@edmundyeoh752 yes, I agree for the daily city use of the AT transmission. The new front end looks like a transformers 😂😂 Just saw the special versions presented at Montecarlo, terrible aesthetics!

[@alperkula1939]

Digital cluster is not good to hold the value. Classics ones are the way to go... first modell will have a higher value, brecause of the standard clusters. Digital gets old very fast. I will try to buy a new first generation 🌪🌪🌪

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Super!

[@scherzobenhaadi]

I do think that the AT is from AISIN, not from ZF... Maybe I'm wrong... Anyways, I pre-ordered one for myself today. Just have to sell my "old one" now. 🥹

[@PIRASMotorsport]

Th AT is 100% by ZF, guaranteed: it is possible they have a venture with AISIN for production in japan or castings, but this isn’t confirmed

[@scherzobenhaadi]

@@PIRASMotorsport Ah ok, is it a new developed one? I mean, it has to be a 9hp..., but I can't find anything about it myself. 😅

[@scherzobenhaadi]

8hp's are built for longtidunial, as I know

[@PIRASMotorsport]

It’s a totally new gearbox!