The Umbrella Academy Season 4 is a Disaster

[@ishathakor]

i liked five so much more when he was a 60 year old in a 13 year old's body trying to prevent the apocalypse and kind of having a bloodlust problem

[@biirdsong1398]

Me too, I loved that he felt like an old man trying to enjoy a 60 year retirement instead of a 20 year one

[@montygatwick1829]

so basically when 5 was actually 5 and not a hollow shell of a character

[@aephoes]

LITERALLY SO WELL PUT

[@sharminafroz8351]

Bro if anything that exists and doesn’t exist at the same time that should be umbrella academy season 4

[@arbyswitch5580]

there's part of me thats honestly concerned Aidan's gonna develop a psychoemotional complex bc he was playing a 60-67 year old man (with a bloodlust problem) trapped in a 15-22 year old's body for the better part of a decade

[@Raysting511]

Luther casually getting over his wife, his gorilla body being linked to his powers. Finally the fact he can’t get another job despite being a leader of the umbrella academy as a child and being an astronaut for years was one of the biggest assassinations of character. Edit: Didn’t even remember posting this but I guess I still feel the same.

[@adisaster8734]

i hate that they dumbed him down. he was a literal astronaut!! he was smart maybe even the second smartest of his family after 5! and it would have been so cool to see him getting along with sloan even more by talking about physics and shit cuz her powers are so physics focused! but no, they literally turned him childish and dumb

[@Raysting511]

100% agree. He don’t even try to apply anywhere else even though as an astronaut he was expected to maintain the entire vessel on his own. Thats before whatever science he was doing up there. I could have lived with him being a jaded tradesman who is destroyed after dying and losing his wife but nope. We got a gorilla brunch stripper. Thats before we even get into the others.

[@yung_wise5861]

@@Raysting511 they also TREAT Diego like he's an idiot but never follow through with making him one. Lila and 5 basically make fun of him behind his back and don't think he is cut out for CIA work but then he's the one who figures out this whole thing centers around Ben. Literally he figures it out singlehandedly.

[@Raysting511]

@@yung_wise5861 you just brought up another great point. Diego and Luther are portrayed as idiots yet they accidentally stumble upon the massive CIA secret in an afternoon. That five didn’t get a whiff of in years. The only stupid thing Diego did was not figuring out how to switch his radio off.

[@oxxn111]

yeah i didn't understand why they made him a gorilla again

[@zitorya5786]

they absolutely destroyed fives character. he went from a smart ass with quick quips who loves his family to someone who rarely smiles or talks but chooses a woman over his family. also not caring about the apocalypse whatsoever until the last 5 minutes

[@Antonio-ys5zd]

The Fives in the diner scene made me even more pissed. It goes to show that the Five we follow is far from the first but that known of the other Fives wanted to sacrifice themselves which st least one Five should have done

[@k3nt0b3nt0]

Yes and to add on, for a smart and family man like Five, it is out of character that he didn’t even think twice about his family or the consequences of having a romance with Lila. Sure it was 7 years and they didn’t know when they would escape, but he still cares about his family before anything else. So, the romance would have been nothing more than a distraction from saving his family. Even if it was Lila who initiated the romance, wouldn’t he stop to think, “Sorry but I can’t do this because you’re my brothers wife and my brother called me a ‘good brother’ (literally 3 episodes ago) so I would be betraying him and causing unnecessary conflict if we make it out of here.”

[@CorwinFound]

Here's the thing. It could have worked. With more time it could have been Five's one selfish moment and it didn't even need a romantic situation with Lila. Just him finally getting a chance to breath and have a drama free life and relationship with anyone. But they went with romance, there wasn't enough time to develop and the age gap. 7 years passes and he remains looking late teens. Beyond any ick factor (which I felt a bit) it just highlights the unrealism of it all. 7 years applied to a 20 year old body is going to change him. But Lila talks about grey hairs and Five looks 17.

[@kadeucey]

@@k3nt0b3nt0fr like he wasn’t going 40+ years in the apocalypse trying to get back to his family DAILY🤦🏾

[@dezrettel407]

I really hoped he'd rally the diner full of Five's to all go and save the day, but nah

[@eve1385]

five and lila should of have gained a platonic relationship. Their dynamic wouldve been soo funny and cute. Five could’ve even talked to Lila and helped her reconcile her relationship with Diego. It would’ve completed Diego and Lilas arc while also reestablishing the love five has for his family thats often over looked

[@ZiggyonMars]

Yes! There was a similar plot line in a later season of Vampire Diaries. Two characters, male and female, who originally hated each other got stuck in a weird time place for some years (essentially the same plot actually). The characters became best friends instead of getting together and it made for a really heartwarming and refreshing storyline. It would have been so much better if the writers of Umbrella academy did the same. But nope.

[@iwantmygarlicbread]

@@ZiggyonMarsBonnie and Damon, right?

[@jeon_artemis]

​@@ZiggyonMars Bonnie and Damon were literally my favourite friendship dynamic honestly 😭😭

[@girlypopgay]

I, for some reason, having gone through so much media obsessed with boy+girl= romance, still thought, it’s ua, of course they’re just going to deepen their friendship. Because how wonderful would that be? Because what else could possibly happen between five and his brother’s wife? No, but I was definitely terrified when I realized they were actually stuck. And then. The really gross thing happened. And I, honestly, couldn’t be surprised. I was, but I shouldn’t have been. I was simply a fool.

[@girlypopgay]

@@jeon_artemis same! It was my favorite dynamic in the whole show. Just sweet platonic moments… 🥹

[@caity613]

Also, it is 💯 possible to spend 7 years with a person and not develop romantic feelings for them. Especially if that person is your husband's brother who was only a child when you met your husband, and was also somehow the old man who murdered your parents in front of you when you were a little kid.

[@isabellebuckingham7088]

god I literally forgot he murdered her fucking parents for a minute there im-

[@caity613]

@weirdobeyond I totally agree

[@monbub]

They should've just been family 😭

[@annalatker4080]

realistically they will just start killing each other

[@janedoe6704]

Crap I forget he killed her parents.

[@zariagreen3207]

And the fact that this whole show happens because Reginald wanted to get his wife back and we never really see them together or their back story. Like why did he go through all that just to bring her back. We needed to see their story and their relationship and we barely got anything from them.

[@that_guy1186]

not only that, but we NEVER got ANY explanation for Reginald and Abigail being fucked alien things, what exactly happened to their world, or how marigold/durango actually work. the Hargreeves backstory needed to get explained

[@cloudyrice497]

@@that_guy1186 I'm wondering if the writers are trying to set up a spin-off for Reginald because of how much they've hinted at his home world being vaguely important

[@danybernal8918]

@@that_guy1186 they do explain their world got destroyed because Abigails creation of marigold and (unknowingly) Durango. It causes a cataclysm which they somehow escape (even though its supposed to destroy the universe, so then theyre not aliens as much as they are interdimensional travellers?)

[@that_guy1186]

@@danybernal8918 that hardly explains anything, though. Marigold/Durango caused a cataclysm. cool. they’re just particles. did something similar to what happened to the umbrellas happen? something else? we just dont know the details, also, REGINALD AND ABIGAIL ARE FUCKING ALIENS THAT LIVE IN PEOPLE’S SKIN AND WE HAVE NO BACKSTORY! Edit: we also know Reginald and Abigail are basically immortal and have advanced space travel technology, so i dont think its too far off to say they’re inter-dimensional travelers, but if that was the case why wouldnt Reggie just travel to a different dimension with Abigail after reviving her? also, the timeline reset would assumedly work on all of existence, so why didnt he reset it to before Abigail done fucked everything up?

[@Sacration]

THIS EXACTLY​@@that_guy1186

[@Flipitmixit]

Ah yes the plothole season. For the life of me I cant understand why Reginald made a whole fake town for Jennifer instead of just killing her

[@matisstrange5956]

Oh my god LITERALLY😭unless he had some sort of remorse or sumthing 😭

[@mbrown7325]

So, I looked this shit up. They can’t ever kill Jennifer. Any time they kill Jennifer she gets pulled into another timeline by Ben. That’s what happened in the timeline they were in, and why she popped out of a giant squid. In all of the timelines there is only one Jennifer getting hot potatoed by Ben.

[@Flipitmixit]

@@mbrown7325 didnt stop Reginald from shooting kid jennifer in the face in the original timeline, also didnt stop him from wanting to kill her in this very season until Victor convinced him otherwise. If killing Jennifer is not an option then why does Reginald say that it is?

[@mbrown7325]

@@Flipitmixit right but you know how regi shot her in the end when she then got pulled into the other timeline in a giant squid? And regi never wanted to kill her in season 4, he wanted to kill Ben. Victor was trying to protect Ben. Ben had the attachment because (fan theory) when his power goes into the other universe to pull out the tentacles he kept touching Jennifer.

[@Flipitmixit]

@@mbrown7325 You're right he did want to kill Ben mybad! Though I doubt the idea of Jennifer also dying in the crossfire wouldnt stop Reginald

[@upsetstudios1819]

This season just oozes of "old man" energy. The fat jokes, the "male SA for laughs" jokes, the odd teenage dream of hooking up with your sister in law? Baby shark and vomit? it was all so out of touch

[@FadzaiSimango]

What is "old man" energy? Why's it called that?

[@JoshuaIfidi]

@@FadzaiSimango Use your critical thinking skills

[@dahvongregg45]

@@JoshuaIfidiuse yours how is baby shark and vomit and incest old man energy talk just weird and like bashing men

[@TheIhplodur]

In the Comics it is Luthor who got fat, but with a machine developed by an old friend of Reginald he got his muscles back in hours.

[@Jesayou]

And Diego took his shirt and he was still pretty gd jacked, they did something similar for Anthony Mackie in a Black Mirror episode. Like dude's got abs kinda hard pull the joke when hes in the same shape he was in the last three seasons.

[@Hollow-Eyes]

Season 1:"Fun insanity." Season 2:"Even more fun insanity." Season 3:"Some hiccups, but overall fun insanity." Season 4:"Ok, this is a joke, right? Where's the real final season? Guys?...Awww man." Such a banger of a show, why'd it have to go out on such a whimper? It doesn't even feel like the same writers.

[@mantasignatavicius1964]

The last episodes of season 3 were downgrade really fast, they were always just repeating characters flaws, no progress and the whole idea of killing Sloane is nuts

[@MrJayza89]

Season 3 imo had more than just hiccups. It was a major down grade.

[@jaedenmeyers7002]

@@MrJayza89 I didn’t think it was that bad, I actually quite enjoyed it. But it was the weakest of the seasons prior to season 4. Mainly because it got a bit repetitive with the whole “the world is ending and we have to try to not hate each other and stop it” narrative. So when they ended season 3 how they did, I was looking forward to them maybe putting a different spin on things and focussing on mostly character development and filling in some holes. I always wanted to see the family at full strength mastering their powers and kicking ass. But no, they found away to repeat everything from the 1st 3 seasons but in a super frustrating and meaningless way. At least season 3 felt like it was paced correctly and for the most part made sense. This last season just made me mad.

[@shelldie8523]

Me shoots the androgenite, world is saved over 4 seasons

[@m.o.4894]

In season 3: The plot of Harlan killing their moms makes no sense to me. Why would Harlan be connected to their mothers? And also, I hate that the writes turned Allison as a "villain" after knowing Harlan killed their mothers. Why is she so mad that her mother died if she never met her in the first place?

[@JakeJulian-mx1vp]

The actor who plays Diego came out on a podcast and said they they were paid less than 10k on each episode. They hardly made ANY money off of this show. The actors started demanding more money (which is completely fair). So even though the show was successful they decided to cut episodes and end it early. The actors KNEW this and so they went into IDGAF mode as did the show writers. They essentially all just wanted to get it over with. Had the money been fair and plentiful, had enough time been allotted, had they the hope of future success working on this show... than things might have ended properly. But here we are.... so sad to see an absolute gem turn out this way.

[@SeaDubya]

And there was a writer’s strike. The whole production suffered.

[@rocker725227]

I wouldn’t say they hardly made any money. Being paid less than what they should have been,sure. It’s still a lot of money but I see what ur saying.

[@onlyonelove5628]

What podcast?

[@JakeJulian-mx1vp]

@@onlyonelove5628 kzbin.info1-9sRAjtrWU

[@AA-ed6ek]

@@rocker725227 Yeah.

[@ZuperZocker]

Umm, Umbrella Academy only had 3 seasons. I refuse to believe it continued after the amazing end of Season 3. It's a shame it was left on a cliff hanger, but that's how it goes sometimes

[@statelessfgc1069]

ah yes, the Game of Thrones treatment, my old friend

[@MangoSmoothy]

people thought s3 was good??

[@joshbourne9679]

I’m 90% sure it only had 2 seasons and season 2 was the best of the two. Thank goodness it ended there

[@Poisindart2000]

​@@MangoSmoothy Season 3 was terrible, granted not as bad as season 4 but still. I gave them the benefit of doubt because of COVID and a certain hard to deal with cast member.

[@isabellebuckingham7088]

this also happened with the chilling adventures of Sabrina. it only had two seasons! Definitely wasn't any other seasons after that definitely not

[@jesuislechat__]

Ah, yes, character resets ... the bane of any meaningful character development

[@gart005]

#1 character reset hater

[@hairlessgrizzly559]

It could've been worse It could've been Trollhunters

[@topcatfan]

​@@hairlessgrizzly559the audience were the ones that where trolled

[@gart005]

@@hairlessgrizzly559 not trollhunters😭

[@YaNoAwantoMas]

Except for Vanya. ... she doesnt get reset because woke.

[@emoestofall]

I absolutely hate what the writers did with Klaus this season. He was one of, if not the best written and developed characters of the entire show and they threw it away because... reasons idk. For example, back in s1 when he went back in time to the vietnam war, and met Dave, fell in love with him and started getting slowly better because of him, because of love. And when he lost Dave, he went back to drvgs. That plotline was so heartbraking, and yet so beautiful to see. There are so many things the writers could have explored in relation to Klaus, but instead they decided to dismiss his development and make him, drug addiction and OCD a joke that was not even funny.

[@Odd_Designz]

And why did Allison get to have her 60s love interest AND and her modern child but he doesn’t get a chance with Dave or something???

[@demifolk8940]

Eh, I don’t entirely agree. As a struggling addict thats on and off, Klaus trying to stick to routine and going back when its broken hits home. People want to pretend addiction will come back when something bad happens but i actually really like this depiction where it can happen from anything. Klaus pushing everyone away because he knew he would hurt them when he relapsed hit home pretty hard. The problem is that they didn’t convey it well or have any real payoff. And him blaming Alison was also kinda stupid. But apart from that i like how he became a clean freak and his relationship with Alisons daughter. Also am i crazy or did they retcon alison being much closer to klaus??? She said she would always look after him but literally when tf did that ever happen between them

[@dandereninja4750]

@@demifolk8940 I would agree with you if it weren't for the fact that in the previous season had him confront the many issues he had with his powers and finally mastering them. The reason he turned to drugs was because of his fears of his powers. Him going all the way back to season 1 Klaus kinda destroyed his character development.

[@zalamael]

Klaus was hard to take seriously. He 'died' in the first season as a result of the apocalypse (as witnessed by Five during his flashback), but then in season 3 we got Klaus comes back to life as his real power. And he always had that power, he died multiple times in his youth (according to season 3), but it came across like a retcon. And yet, as you say, he was a really good character and had the best arc, along with the original Ben (and even his evolving friendship with the Sparrow version of Ben). I'm not a fan of retcons when they contradict an ability or character trait. If he had developed his ability to come back from the dead as a result of his training with Reginald, that would have worked, but all that happened (if I remember right) was it shortened the time it took him to revive himself.

[@lexicron]

(Season 4 Klaus spoiler ahead) - They couldn’t even have him come into his own by letting him break free of the grave on his own! All that character and skill development in the previous season and for what? While in the grave we hear him recall Hargreaves saying he’s a warrior and he’s trying and then bloody Alison comes to the rescue instead because the writers couldn’t be bothered writing a plotline for Alison for when everyone pairs off to do their thing. Luther and Diego got equal weight/screentime in their paired trip, Ben and Jennifer were equals in their couple trip, Five and Lila were also equals in theirs, but they couldn’t write a good one for Klaus+Alison so Klaus got a half-assed story, Alison pretty much no story, and Klaus got stuck with having his ending tainted by Alison coming to his rescue because Alison didn’t have anything else to do.

[@austinchester2413]

I like how (so far that I’ve watched) 2 of the actors have said “the writers told me something about the plot and I thought they were joking”

[@kingcainjr]

"yeah we were forced to abandon plot lines' -Decides 5's out of character love story should be kept in...??

[@alanpennie8013]

I can understand why they kept it, dismal though it is. Five realised he would always be alone, and this dismal realisation overrode his previously extremely strong survival drive.

[@emmao6578]

​@@alanpennie8013 that just seems like a reason why the love story is not necessarily out of character for five but doesn't justify the writers adding that side plot in the first place. There wasn't enough time to resolve any of the issues created by it causing the ending to fall completely flat because all you can think about is how lila/diego/five are all dying hating or upset with each other from unresolved issues that didn't need to be created and took time away from resolving other already existing issues.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@emmao6578 Fair.

[@vampiresgrave]

i find it telling that most of the actors, when being told about where the show was going, laughed in disbelief.

[@ender5892]

It really says a lot about the decision making of the writers lmao. Imagine getting told what your character will do and you just laugh in desbelief thinking it's a joke. Poor actors.

[@momo382844]

I really don’t blame the actors/actresses. They’re only doing their jobs.

[@skyhunter2816]

​@@momo382844Nobody is blaming the actors.

[@meunome8220]

​@momo382844 literally, but the directors/writers were just fanficing

[@hosvet_animation]

@@ender5892 I feel so bad for actors. You can put in so much work, so much effort, and so much love, then your writer can just fuck up at the end and your show sucks forever.

[@shantanukarandikar2568]

The s4 writers didnt only forget what was told in earlier seasons, they also forgot what they wrote themselves in earlier episodes. Like why was diego called fat and then shown off to have a lean body??

[@TrueAce2146]

I'm saying!

[@gargoyled_drake]

Because americas self announced world leaders in hollywood and what not wants to screw the self image of every man right now... They f'd up the women. Now they want to f up the men even more... And i'm not even kidding. Many influencers are going the direction of trying to push the narrative of men not looking good unless they look like the Liver King... And many seems to be directly attacking the dad bod. Which has been popular among girls for a couple of years now. Women wanting that natural man with the time on his hands to take care of her instead of taking care of his own physique.

[@theForgottenMelodiesRecords]

The biggest example of this is Lila and 5 being stuck in a multitude of different timelines for SEVEN FUCKING YEARS, and then in the last episode saying, "So it is true. There are other timelines!", with a look on her face like a toddler who knows they are going to get a treat for being clever. I almost punched the tv.

[@Onyx-_-liquor]

"Dani uuh forgot about the iron fleet.."

[@laltrasfaccettaturadelrubi6845]

I thought he gained a little bit o weight when he did have no powers and then the powers reversed him back to his body. I think it is similar to luther having his ape body. It's terrible writing but I think that is the reasoning

[@gracelessabomination9847]

I'd also like to point out how their powers are suddenly just universally called "marigold" when that was literally only what Harlan called it? They even dub over Reginald simply calling it "particles" in the S3 finale to have him say Marigold.

[@MovieMaiden]

Thank you for saying this.. I thought my memory of that was affected by my time lines overlapping.. lol

[@TrueAce2146]

Literally and he only called it that because it reminded him of the flower but apparently abigail already named it marigold which is weird unless they have the same flower on their home planet?

[@veronka2603]

Exactly what I said, when Reginald called it marigold in the recap at the beginning of the series.

[@vFly]

What the fuck was Durango then? Me and the mrs mentioned this too and we speculated that there was a ton cut from the final season that would have greatly expanded on all of these half baked plot points, I guess your main weapon/driving force for the plot having a sex change could make writing the character a challenge 😂

[@Dirty09]

​@@vFlyDurango is a type of marigold, it's usually red

[@shmeebs387]

The writer justifying Five and Lila because they were together for 7 years is so dumb. Bro, you're the one who wrote that. That's like justifying crashing someone else's car because the wall you hit damaged the car. Bro, you're the one who hit the wall.

[@Sootielove]

People have friends and can live with members of the opposite sex for whole lifetimes without making them cheat on their partners. Wild no one's told the writers that

[@Rodanguirus]

Right?! It's not even like there was anything about the Season 3 cliffhanger or other aspects of Season 4 that made that subplot feel inevitable. They went entirely out of their way to craft that situation, and then threw up their hands and said "well, what can you do? This is how characters would act in this situation!"

[@misterhandsome2238]

Honestly without the “cliff hanger teases” in the end of s3 it would’ve been very poetic to end there. This is a super hero story and since they’re not hero’s anymore that’s it they live their lives

[@lightworthy]

honestly that’s what i THOUGHT they were going to do in this season, because it made so much sense even thematically for the topic of abuse. they left their old lives with harlan behind, their powers (and thus their trauma) being mere memories that can’t hurt them anymore. i thought this season was going to be “we have no powers & we’re in a weird new world oh god. oh hey we got our powers back!!! wait actually i realize im actually worthy as a human just existing, not what i can provide for the world & what my abusive father WANTED of me. maybe this is actually how we survive, and be a real annoying and messed up healing family.” and they essentially do a power sucking thing and that fixes the world ending scenario because the /marigold/ was what was causing the world ending every time, not them. even just make the bennifer monster marigold sucking, and when it does get all of it in the world, they go back to normal & the universe is righted, two halves of a whole reunited and the balance restored. it makes sense with the mirror imagery we constantly got from the bennifer scenes, they were always mirroring each other as two halves of the same plane. make it some metaphor about how too much of one thing is what causes the toxic cycles (and the world ending) but when they’re balanced and healthy together everything is fine

[@HarveyLu_]

@@misterhandsome2238 yes. Maybe a epiloge Episode with funndy scenes from their New lived with developed family dinamic. And thats it. Would have been the perfect end. Especially because there was just 3 comic books. So why 4 seasons?

[@ayra19th]

yeah i stopped there am gonna pretend S4 doesn't exist.

[@lokisbitterghost]

steve blackman saying that the five/lila thing was bound to happen is also weird to me because the circumstances didnt really have to occur at all. saying "of course they would develop romantic feelings for each other after seven years" falls flat when the only plot reason that they even got stuck was to set up the romance. you can't say it was inevitable like your hands were tied when there was no reason to even make them get stuck in the first place. if five and lila had not been alone and stuck for seven years, the only plot difference would be that there was no fivela.

[@adnaanu]

And if I'm not mistaken, wasn't Five the one who assassinated Lila parents?

[@TrueAce2146]

​@@adnaanuhe was and yes she knows unless the writers forgot...

[@mystic0screams]

​@@adnaanu and also had something going on with her adoptive mother. So, weird all around..

[@andreagilder225]

@@adnaanu as an assassin herself, she knew he was only following orders and thst it was The Handler that was responsible.

[@andreagilder225]

I don't think they needed 7 years at all, there was always a spark between them, they were so similar and respected each other. She was already getting close to Five, was actively sneaking off with him and had told Diego that the end was on the cards - they had had a toxic relationship from start to finish. As for all the other oddities in the relationship, odd relationships are the norm in this series - Alison & Luther, Hazel & the granny, the Vanya/Sissy/Carl love triangle, they seem to be open to anything.

[@AR-tg9zw]

It bothers me that if it wasn't for Diego's daughter watching the news when the love triangle argument was happening, the majority of the academy wouldn't have a clue that the cleanse was still on.

[@dandremiller1107]

It’s like everyone just forgot that their brother was still out there with their dad trying to find Ben before the world ended.

[@GiveonKing]

@@dandremiller1107that’s something that happened since season 3 where everyone just “forgets” about REALLY important things

[@candacestringer]

I just kept screaming no the entire time when 5 and Lila got stuck in the subway station. Why didn't they at least explain Ben in the train?😢

[@ve-ronnie-ca]

They mentioned it breifly when luther asks about it and Allison just said he would have called . Noone else seemed to care.

[@sharminafroz8351]

@@GiveonKingbut season 3 wasn’t so confusing and got a way better ending

[@geekyhive]

Five and Diego fighting while everything else was going down was so annoying, it was even boring. The world is ending and two of the men NEED to fight over a woman, when all of them would die? Ugh.

[@dickottel]

I was annoyed by that too but also totally believable, some guys feel very offended if another guys steals their wife 😅

[@okok-tf8rr]

@@KOVVAz 🤓

[@Sh12pen]

​@@KOVVAz 🤓

[@zacharygrinner6528]

Worth mentioning that the Keepers did literally nothing? We spent a lot of time developing them as an organized threat, and the big payoff was the group guarding a building that the umbrellas break into with almost zero effort. That said - Nick Offerman and Megan Mullally are always a delight to watch.

[@alanpennie8013]

This is a good point. They looked very threatening when they were picking up weapons and blocking the streets. Then they did absolutely nothing because the final episode had to be all about The Hargreeveses.

[@whatsyourname9581]

also Jean and Gene both died before we got to know pretty much anything about them. Yeah, they founded the cult after they had memories from the other timelines, but why are they these weird and crazy cold killers? What did they imagine of the cleanse? How did they even know it was a thing? I expected at least one solid flashback-episode for them, but we got nothing.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@whatsyourname9581 They were definitely victims of the short season run.

[@emmao6578]

Regardless of how little the Keepers did I still think Gene and Jean were one of the only good things to come out of this season.

[@alanpennie8013]

@@emmao6578 I agree. Certainly 1 million x better than Ben and his new girlfriend.

[@notesgo1556]

When i saw her Lila wiping Fives mouth in the Diner i was like "they better the fvcx not". Then i was like "thank god". Then i was like "omg they did it anyway!" Yeah they definitely coulda did better on this.

[@definitelyacoolperson]

Genuinely just sighed and began crying when Lila and 5 started kissing in the greenhouse. I was so expecting some cute “we had problems but we made it through and now we’re better for it” or something for Lila and Diego but instead she just confirms his fears and cheats on him 😕

[@HarveyLu_]

And broke Fives heart afterwise by saying: "uhh it was just the circumstances sooo I go back to my children and husband now BYE" XD

[@NexhiAlibias]

​@@HarveyLu_ and flat out refusing to acknowledge it was something the second she had her family back until Five started fighting Diego. "ITS OVER, FIVE!" No offense Lila but if you had said that earlier you couldve saved some heartbreak

[@HarveyLu_]

@@NexhiAlibias this

[@definitelyacoolperson]

Also it weirded me the fuck out cause I know 5 is like 90 yrs old he’s physically 18 AND HE LOOKS SOO YOUNG LIKE HIS ACTOR DOES NOT HELP HE LOOKS LIKE A BABY. I also just didn’t see it ever in their friendship turning romantic they should’ve been siblings :(

[@HarveyLu_]

@@definitelyacoolperson Well to be exact: Five is at the 4th season round about 63 and 19 bodywise. But yes. Aidan and Ritu nown each other since he was round about 13 - 14 ... he literally grow up with them. Making him and her kiss is disgusting. expecially because she is 15 years or so older then him in Real life. And yes.I think so too. It was just pressed in and hurt all of the characters involved. Poor Diego too....

[@spycookie6174]

Klaus' b plot was most likely inspired from a mini part in the comics. He was a sex slave to pay for his drug addiction to a group of bikers & he ended-up swindling a lady about the whereabouts of her husband's "treasure". (I guess) The scene really doesn't work in the tv show since it's post-addiction where he just went through so much development. It felt like a massive step backwards & completely out of character even for Klaus.

[@TheIhplodur]

It looks like they whanted to add as much of the comics as possible in the last season. Allisons fall from actress to just playing cheap roles is from another sidestory of Klaus, but from another Charakter. Beniffer eating the city is just the Villain Terminal in Hotel Oblivion.

[@kerstin_eryel]

Exactly! Klaus being a sex slave would have worked so well in S1 to further show truly messed up he was before he got control of his powers in S2-S3 and became sober in S4.

[@UziCakes]

How I would have written Klaus this season: - After gaining his powers, his fear of the dead comes back to haunt him once again since he's now not used to seeing them. -Yes he could still have challenges with addiction but since the development of sobriety he instead tries to manage his powers back in a much sober headspace. - Claire and Klaus could have been a good duo in his development with his powers as Claire will help his uncle Klaus be a good guy that he is with her. In a way, that Claire could be the inspiration to keep Klaus going with his sobriety. -Leading him to again manage his fears of the dead and channels a different form of power to help defeat the potential end of the world. (He has such potential of being a bigger superhero)

[@emmao6578]

I would argue an equally troubling aspect of that plot is that they played the whole thing for laughs, because everyone knows there's nothing funnier than SA/R as long as it's happening to a guy. It's especially bad considering they already made questionable choices in S3 when Allison used her powers on Luther and it was just completely brushed over, you'd have thought they might have learnt something from that but clearly not. I'm just really fed up of people majorly misunderstanding issues of consent.

[@Yeibaldreamss]

Except Netflix plays sex trafficking as comedic relief while the comic treats it like a real issue 😀

[@Figgy5119]

I do get that 7 years together would make 5 and Lila get together, but there was no plot reason why the trains had to not work for 7 years in the first place. Diego's lesson at the CIA was that he shouldn't take his family for granted, then he dies. 5 gets the romance he was denied for 60 years, she rejects him and then he dies, while also hating and being hated by his brother. Klaus learns...to depend on his siblings? And then dies. These arcs served no purpose to the plot or to the character all season.

[@MsGrockle]

I'm in total agreement on Klaus. Three series' developing a really cohesive character development just to blow it all up. I think I'm one of a few who didn't mind the Five/Lila side story. They started out by being able to always get back to the same day in their current timeline, because Five was keeping track of the branch lines in his notebook. When he lost his notebook, they couldn’t figure out the way back. When he found his notebook he realised that he didn’t want to leave what had become a way of life with no threat of obliteration, so he let it carry on for another half year. And I can accept all of that, within the story arc and that seven years on the subway would allow a relationship to develop between them,. And while some people argue that Five having an affair with his Brothers wife is out of character, because he loves his siblings and has spent the previous three series' trying to save them (and the world) and so would not do anything to emotionally hurt Diego, the romance allows him the sentiment to let Lila blink the children and the extended family to the subway when faced with the undeniability that he and his siblings are going to need to die in order to preserve the true timeline. Having feelings for her meant that in the face of his family facing obliteration via The Cleanse, he could ensure that a part of it at least would be saved, in Lila and Diego’s children and Allison’s daughter. The end justifying the means. It would’ve needed MUCH more than one episode to explore this fully though, to get the audience completely on side. As it stands, series 4 is just too short to allow for anything to make much sense, the giant squid is just one example. I think the series 3 ending was pretty good in terms of where we left the siblings and the matter of what they did afterwards, with no powers and having to make new lives for themselves, left to our imaginations.

[@yung_wise5861]

We also never get Lila's answer on whether she wants to be with 5 or if she chooses Diego because she chooses Diego. That whole subplot was stupid cause Diego gets told he should stay and be there for his family then Lila has a secret romance but isn't given a definitive answer on what to do nor does she give one. It feels like she's picking Diego out of circumstance and that just makes me wonder, "why not leave". Then you have 5 being in the middle of all of this as the person who bangs his brother's wife while the multiverse is ending.

[@yung_wise5861]

Also, no explanation why the subway did that and it's really convenient that they find the book that answers all of the questions in the one universe where they decide to settle. Why wasn't this subplot about the functions of the subway and having Lila get taken to different timelines by different 5s but she isn't aware that those 5s are different? Then, you've eased us into the fact that there is this army of 5s trying to save the multiverse. Instead, we have a cheating sub plot and then it ends basically because of serendipity and happens because of serendipity.

[@MsGrockle]

@@yung_wise5861 I don't really need a deeper explanation of the subway, I'm happy to accept that within the Umbrella's world there is an underground infrastructure that keeps track of branching timelines and allows access to them (if only you know where to look!). But the multi-Five diner came out of left field and I would have liked the writers to have explored that for longer. I like the idea of Lila running into different Five's but not realising.

[@yung_wise5861]

@@MsGrockle yeah that's more so what I mean. Figuring out the cool things it can do as the different 5s take her around. What junctions go where? Have any of them been able to find the original timeline? But, as you said, that storyline comes out of fuckin nowhere.

[@LadyDnMiller]

When actor's say, "I thought they were joking." You know it's bad 😅

[@jamess7496]

In my opinion this season needed to focus on sir Reginald. Bc that’s really the point of it all. He’s the reason they are dysfunctional and cause countless apocalypses. Also we need to know more about him and his wife, bc that’s his primary motivation. And at the end of the season, if there is a “final sacrifice.” It would have been way more impactful if it was sir Reginald. Instead of character assassination (clause regressing, the love triangle etc.) to force plot filler, Reginald’s development would have been great.

[@joshp.2872]

Agreed. Can't believe how badly butchered the final season was.

[@TavienSG]

Facts I literally thought that’s where they were going I thought it was going to be like the kids vs Reginald in his alien form as the final episode they could have even made it that he had time traveling information so they could have properly reset the timeline or something considering Reginald always is at the center of the umbrellas struggle

[@rachelcoyle4355]

I wish the writers could have done something more with Luther's powers other than throwing a filing cabinet and being cover for Allison and Victor..

[@arminsfingers]

In the opening of season two he had super jump, but for some reason that never was touched upon afterwards. I hate this season bruh it’s making me so angry

[@Shalalacls]

It's literally like they hired a bunch of new writers who never watched the show, showed them a montage of season 1 and then were like "You get it, right? You can finish this"

[@Kristyybug]

They completely forgot he had a missing wife… idk what the writers were doing at all…

[@anabella8029]

@@Kristyybugthis!!! Instead just two little jokes mentioning her like wth?

[@prz3sada312]

his only power is literally strength and he still needed victor's help to lift Allison damn

[@humanintelegence]

Klaus' plotline IS WHAT?! omg that is THE worst sort of plotline for ANY story. Please just make him a cult leader again!

[@TheIhplodur]

The Plotline is actually from the Comics, but it happens before he can talk to Ghost Ben. Ghost Ben appears much later than in the show.

[@arbyswitch5580]

@@TheIhplodur as someone that has considered reading the comics, this is really important to know before going in, thank you for the warning. i thought the sex trafficking arc was kind of vile, really tough to watch

[@dj4dayz]

Allison raped people with her powers in previous seasons. I think the writers just hate male consent 🤷‍♂️

[@monbub]

Not only that but it's such a harmful trope to have the only gay character be the one that gets abused horribly.

[@dj4dayz]

@@monbub I don't think his sexuality should make him protected. He's as human as everyone, my gripe is that they'd never put a woman in his position.

[@818cookies]

Is it just me or did they not go into how Reginald was an alien? Or robot or whatever he was in S3

[@nomischr9981]

True, I was so confused

[@toriholland7834]

They briefly touched on it when his wife spoke about how she was upset he brought marigold from their planet to this one but we definitely deserved more of an explanation

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@toriholland7834 I think it's not unreasonable for Sir Reginald to remain somewhat enigmatic.

[@skyhunter2816]

They should've left that bit out and just ended on S3.

[@nomischr9981]

@@skyhunter2816 def!!

[@dthompson5234]

How can Claire and Lila’s children survive without creating a grandfather paradox?

[@lkf8799]

I think because the universe that they were created in is already being destroyed and the subway takes them to the prime timeline?

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@lkf8799 Unless they just blinked out of existence with the subway. I suppose you can go with any ending there.

[@HUYI1]

Yeah I thought that as well, the ending is dumb, they can't exist without their parents, the ending wasn't really thought out very well 😂

[@Briaaanz]

6:38 all the umbrella academy didn't get their marigold sucked dry. Allison didn't have hers ripped from her. This is another plot hole with the season

[@MukbangMondays]

THIS. Allison’s wasn’t sucked out. And why did their powers come back so differently

[@beccabex321]

I honestly got the impression that someone making major creative decisions was just completely obsessed with Lila. 99% of her material this season has pretty much no bearing on the plot, but somehow the conclusion hinges entirely on her decision (and her emotional connections to characters that she has absolutely no meaningful screen time with) and she gets the big sacrificial hero moment with the train doors. Then, in the final scene with The Umbrellas, she is the character who gets the final line. I've actually always liked Lila, but this just felt so wrong to me.

[@rorywatt9752]

Ik I love all the characters and just about all the other seasons but this last season felt almost like fanfiction at a lot of points

[@tameriz1280]

Yes! She already had all signs of being a writer's pet in season 3, but season 4 just dropped all pretense and went town with her.

[@Nite-Mite]

I’m pretty sure Klaus had the final line, but otherwise I agree. The writers fan-girled all over Lila this season.

[@beccabex321]

@@Nite-Mite As far as I can hear, Klaus says, "You know, I just wanna say, I love you guys... but you are all a**h*les." and Lila replies, "F*ck you," and then there's no further dialogue in that scene. But if there's something else said that I don't hear, then maybe? I just remember thinking... out of all these characters, that's the decision that was made??

[@innocentiathapelo9207]

All I wanted was for five to ay sorry for hurting Diego😭😭

[@ZiloeHere]

something literally NO ONE has mentioned that destroys the whole plot of season 4, is the fact that Ben claims he doesn't know Jennifer despite their being drawings of her in his room in season 3, people may say this is Victor envisioning original Ben's room, and if that were true, how would original Ben have known who Jennifer was considering he was murdered right after meeting her.

[@SuperMarioPlush220]

Do you have screenshots?

[@ZiloeHere]

@@SuperMarioPlush220 yes

[@ZiloeHere]

@whatsyourname9581 why try and make sense of something that isn't meant to make sense. If the writers couldn't be bothered to explain don't try and explain their sloppy writing for them

[@Xshot12]

​@@whatsyourname9581but why are they linked?

[@Rogue_Trooper970]

Klaus being a ghost sex toy was on the same level as Hughie being SA'd in The Boys for laughs. Yeah really funny watching guys get SA'd, such progressiveness.

[@Sirrizz]

The Hughie plot was made worse by the fact that Starlight had a similar story line about being SA’d is season one but that was taken in a more serious direction.

[@TheIhplodur]

Actually the ghost sex toy was in the comics, but before his character development.

[@jadevobia4974]

Worse even that Starlight only argued abt him "sleeping" w that skinwalker instead of seeing what it truly was : SA. I dont understand how this was the path the writers thought was the best

[@SuperMarioPlush220]

​@@Sirrizz Sissy being SAed by her husband in TUA S2 was also taken seriously

[@ekul6665]

It's too show how we don't take male sa seriously 😊

[@thearcanamodernau8130]

About Fivela, Why couldn't Delores be a real woman in this timeline if they wanted to give Five a romance arc so badly? Reginald gave his children something they really wanted back so they would be content in this timeline (Allison recovered her daughter and husband, Luther recovered his normal body, Diego could have a family with Lila) not to mention it would have been much more interesting for his character to finally have a reason to step away from saving everyone. I also think if Klaus had been killed by that bullet it would have been better than... whatever they did to him. Having one of the most likable characters killed, this time permanently, would have been so much more impactful and dignified than resenting him to a junkie sex trafficking victim. Which is horrible in itself because there are a lot of people living in that situation irl and the show practically makes a joke out of it.

[@hollisticc]

They could have even written it so that Klaus is now haunting the siblings if they wanted to keep his character in the show

[@PurpleCyanideTube]

1:40 I just realized the only reason Ben went on the mission and died was because Reginald pushed for him to… on the mission that he knew would be specifically hazardous to only him…

[@m.karthika7527]

"i don't a lot of people are going to be happy... I wasn't." 😭 😭 😭

[@thomasdegroat6039]

So the implication is that Diego did get a beer belly but that the marigold brought back his abs, like how it brought back Luther's ape body. David Castaneda confirmed this in an interview. It's still terrible writing though since every person has been confused about this.

[@ZoeyFesperman]

I could be wrong, but wasn't he struggling to get his knife harness thing on after they had the marigold?

[@thomasdegroat6039]

​@@ZoeyFesperman Bad writing

[@iheartblock3792]

@@ZoeyFespermanyup! The scene was filmed for a previous episode but ended up being shuffled iirc.

[@andreagilder225]

He absolutely was chunkier than he was in S2, but it was muscle.

[@thomasdegroat6039]

@@andreagilder225 no, he definitely had a prosthetic beer belly in the first couple episodes

[@blackmarala]

Wow you laid it out perfectly, honestly Ritu and Aidan are probably bringing their acting A game to attend those interviews, ain't no way they were comfortable doing all that and being excited. 5 was Aidans favorite and in previous interviews Ritu said Lila would want a normal life with her baby and Diego. And thought the writers were joking about the subway cheating arc (yes I'm calling it cheating).

[@Pancakes_]

Not to mention Rita knew Aidan when he was a minor.... which makes it feel really gross

[@karaleigh_eva]

@@Pancakes_ exactly!!! that made me so uncomfortable! Like kid is barely legal, i spent the whole show seeing him as their little brother and then he starts necking on his bro's wife TT

[@emmao6578]

​@@Pancakes_ exactly, their relationship literally added nothing, completely mucked up their character arcs, distracted from any ability to connect with the emotions of the ending, took away a ton of time that could've been used to flesh out other plot points and was incredibly icky to make the actors participate in. There is honestly no excuse for the way they did this

[@JustZal]

@@karaleigh_eva little brother and big sister wouldve been so much better than love interest for Lila and Five honestly and it works! cause they really are lil bro and big sis dynamic!! i fucking hate whoever wrote them like this, fanfiction writers did it so much better

[@elliepay3763]

As soon as the thug saw Klaus come back to life I thought it was going to go real dark and have him charge people to kill him for fun, I thought that would be exactly what Klaus was most afraid of and why he would go back onto drugs, but instead the thug wants to use his ghostly powers, except gives him drugs, which should prevent that. I thought it a terrible shame that the only time Klaus was clean he was deemed lame then he instantly relapsed, didn’t make any progression and then kills himself with the others.

[@ozgec8964]

I thought he would harvest Klaus' organs at first. Seemed like an easy way to get 40k and tons more.

[@Dirty09]

I thought he was going to torture klaus to make him "pay"

[@gabimatosmustdie]

YES that's another plot hole I noticed right away. Klaus used to do drugs so he would not see the ghosts, then why is he able to see the ghosts now while being on drugs all of the sudden?

[@panonymousbloom5405]

@@ozgec8964 oh yeah. that's kind of obvious. why didn't he do that? 💀

[@hollisticc]

I thought the same thing. How on earth did the biker guy infer that Klaus could even talk to the dead just because he was immortal?

[@scape211]

I also really hated the 'gag' that Diego is fat and Luther getting his monkey body back. Both are huge/obvious continuity errors. Luther's is more a terrible writing choice, but Diego's makes absolutely NO sense. I could've seen it working if he got ripped after he got his powers back somehow (even if that is lazy). But they made/showed fat jokes _after_ he got them back and then he's just magically ripped? Utter non-sense.

[@emmao6578]

Damn, I forgot about those two things for a moment. It really paints a pretty nasty picture when you combine the body shaming of Diego and Luther with the way they trivialise SA of male victims in Klaus's storyline. It's shitty to treat these things as fine or even funny only when done to guys and it also suggests to me that they don't understand what's actually wrong about these things, that they're probably only avoiding doing the same thing to women because of "woke" culture rather than because it's the right thing to do.

[@hollisticc]

@@emmao6578 Exactly

[@Dr3Mc3Ninja]

I adore 5 the most... Having him cheat with Lila, I skipped ahead, it was verboten to watch it. Disavow! Diego did not deserve that. 5's charm is that he is a grouchy old man in a child's body. Him having a thing with Lila was so uncomfortable. I am a sucker for a happy ending, so them just all ceasing to exist made me so deeply annoyed and disappointed. Diego is so handsome, the fat jokes made no sense, unless they were just teasing him? I hated Ben's personality this season... He was so unlikeable. So glad you mentioned Nathan from Misfits, that show was incredible~ and Robert playing Nathan and then Klaus was funny to me.

[@mbrown7325]

I completely hated the ending. Not only is there no real closure because the characters we watched and were attached to cease to exist. There was also no answer as to what’s stopping Reginald from doing this all again? He still has the marigold and he now has no memories/knowledge of what will happen when he releases it, so wouldn’t he just release it again?

[@slantos2668]

didnt Reginald just get killed by the monster?

[@mbrown7325]

@@slantos2668 Yeah but so did everyone and they all were in the new world. So Regi should be as well. Only the people who had Marigold in them did not respawn.

[@karaleigh_eva]

literallyyyyy for them to fall into the grandfather paradox that was like the crux of previous seasons and just not awknowledge it

[@mbrown7325]

@@karaleigh_eva true, the universe should be ending again 😂

[@mahidsahariarmazumder2658]

They really ruined my boy five just for some unwanted ship😭😭😭😭

[@mothdotslot]

that kids gonna have trauma. he met the actress for lila when he was still 13/14 and has now had to make out with her on camera. shes 15 years older than him irl. why tf did the writers do that

[@juliandavidquinteroferrer1916]

The real force inclusion

[@Yeibaldreamss]

@@mothdotslot As far back as season 2 (when the actor was literally 14 😀) they pushed sexual tension between five and other adult characters/actors. I looked past it when I was younger.. but holy fuck.. it’s so on the nose. Steve Blackman wanted to defy the classic (yet disturbing) young girl paired with an old dude romance in media and hazel X Agnes just wasn’t enough I guess. There’s just no way Gabriel and Gerard are at all happy with this ending.

[@princetreyvon8096]

@@mothdotslotdidn’t even think about that☹️

[@kayden232ou]

​@@Yeibaldreamss...what? Where was that in season 2?

[@LLRFILMSLJS]

What I hate about the ending is that in my opinion, it's the LAST ending the show should've had. A show revolving around victims of child abuse by a stern, strict. father, wanting to grow and escape that trauma and live out their lives happily, only to be told everything is their fault and they should cease to exist to solve everything doesn't really sit right with me. Especially since Five's entire storyline is about trying to stop the apocalypse and save his family. The fact that he literally CAN'T do that and it's IMPOSSIBLE ruins his entire journey for me. These characters were all about survival, to see the light at the end of the tunnel, only for none of them to. It feels terrible.

[@geekyhive]

Only for none of them to WHILE all their children do survive, creating the paradox they were trying to avoid. It's so annoying. I hadn't thought about the "children of abuse being told they should cease to exist to solve everything" and it makes me understand SO MUCH MORE why this ending bothers me so much.

[@LLRFILMSLJS]

​@@geekyhive Yeah the grandfather paradox, wow, somehow I find news ways to make me hate the ending even more.

[@Jstaman]

All good points. But to add 5 also just accepts his entire life and everything he's been working to is wrong so gives up and doesn't care at all.

[@LLRFILMSLJS]

@@Jstaman But wasn't only really prevalent in this season? I don't recall him being like that in Season 3 until Reggie "convinces" them all to go into the hotel.

[@Nunyah-Arbys]

I feel like the tragic ending of them finding out there was absolutely nothing they could do to stop the apocalypse- -would have actually been a really brutal and interesting ending, if it was executed properly.

[@Atlas0fStars]

The idea of the umbrella academy having different powers - or switching powers would be fucking fascinating. now that you mention it, im pissed they didnt do any of that

[@aesanonymous8936]

The thing that still bothers me the most is the other kids that were born, I think 43 in total? So none of the other ones ever got powers or needed to die in the end even though they were born the exact same way? Also they did 5 dirty...

[@ElleVervain]

S4 was so extremely BAD. I can't bear it. S1 was a MASTERPIECE and had exactly the right kind of quirkiness. S3 was already dropping in quality A BIT, but nothing like the dumpster fire that is S4 :< Honestly, why does Netflix hate its movies and shows q.q I love how u put Five and Lila as well as Ben and Jennifer together. S4 has many bad plot points and decisions. But those two pairings were the utter worst. The end of S3 should have been the true ending. Sure there would have been a lot of open questions, but still. I'd take that over the finale of S4 anytime and I will pretend S4 never happend.

[@colorbar.s]

the way most of diego and lila's children weren't even named..

[@panonymousbloom5405]

that bothered me too. there' so much focus on Allison's daughter but NOTHING for Diego/Lila kids? really??

[@MukbangMondays]

The kids should have never been added. They just did it to trap Lila and Diego together because that’s the only thing that brought her back in season 3. Wich could have been any different reason but no!!! If they would have split up over the 6 years and it showed how love sick Diego was but then he moved on and how Lila moved on also, it would have made five and hers storyline so much less messy and way sweeter. Not wierd. I just feel like the writers needed to trap them together to create drama when her and five ended up falling in love. I also hate how they never really resolved their issues and died with loose strings. The whole season was rushed and horrible They could have changed so much. For how unhinged the show is and how insane, I was expecting a crazy plot twist ending where everything was because of something or someone unexpected but instead it was boring and cliche. So so predictable.

[@colorbar.s]

@@MukbangMondays honestly, the five lila romance was always going to be really weird.

[@shakthishivani9763]

Wasn't their daughter named grace??

[@hollisticc]

@@shakthishivani9763 Yes, but they also had twins that we barely see and do not know the names of at all, just referred to as "the twins" through the entire season

[@lostintoonami]

I think what’s gross is that the actors were uncomfortable with the Greenhouse scenes and that whole story arc

[@L2Sentinel]

It showed. They had absolutely no chemistry in those scenes. If it was that uncomfortable to watch, I can only imagine how much worse it was for them to have to perform it.

[@ptonpc]

Another commentator mentioned that Aidain would have been about 14 or 15 at the start of Umbrella Acadaemy, he was a young teenager and grew with the other actors, Meanwhile Ritu is around 15 years older than him. They knew each other more as siblings in real life.

[@333_katelyn]

@@ptonpcliterally!! plus their in show age is still such a weird age gap

[@lostintoonami]

@@ptonpc yeah they knew, the main show runner apparently wanted this plot since the beginning of the show, another show ruined by a show runners kink and weird fetish smh

[@chikenmcnuggets4899]

First weird step siblings shit and now age gaps. Fucking hell can't have anything.

[@elireinhart9421]

they never explained why the Hargreeves were weird cockroach aliens either... amongst the (many) other plotholes, that was perhaps my biggest question

[@Boop468]

I know everyone is talking about 5 but why is no one talking about Ben??? Ben has not had any character development in any of the seasons and when it seems that in the last season he might Having one includes a girlfriend to explain for just 7 minutes how your girlfriend was created and they give you a pathetic way to die

[@HELLO_KORO]

I wish original Ben got revived,they erased his character and replaced with a toppleganger that the world tortured.

[@alanpennie8013]

I think it's mainly because no one is interested in Ben, not have they any reason to be.

[@Boop468]

@@HELLO_KORO me too! I wish they would have revived and have an emocional scene or at least a more interest way to day and not just with one bullet from a gun

[@jazmineraymond7495]

Suicide as a solution seems like really bad messaging.

[@seaturtle1181]

EXACTLY!! especially for the characters who were raised as child soldiers, abused, and never allowed much agency in their own lives?? "sorry! actually you're the problem and the world would be better off without you!" wtf

[@monbub]

​@@seaturtle1181It's giving: the writers ran out of options and decided to kill off their characters to get the story over with

[@lpj2216]

Idk Legion did it right Granted the context is diferent than umbrella academy

[@iLLestTv]

Ima be honest, who cares

[@jazmineraymond7495]

@@iLLestTv You cared enough to reply about it.

[@erinjones9781]

“We didn’t have time for already established plot lines so we chose to focus on some person named Jennifer that hasn’t mattered up to this point”

[@MukbangMondays]

She was so boring and her and Ben’s romance sped up so quickly

[@emmao6578]

Pretty much my biggest issue with the lila/five plot line too. Even if you think their relationship makes sense in the scenario they were put in, there was still no need for it, it adds nothing, takes away time that could've been spent tidying up other plot points and then we're somehow supposed to fully connect with the sad ending of a dysfunctional but loving family when really we're all screaming inside about how they're dying hating each from unresolved issues that didn't need to be created.

[@MukbangMondays]

@@emmao6578 this exactly. I liked them but I wish they had a meaning in the story. All that happend was five dying thinking no one ever really loved him. And their love triangle was getting in the way of them fighting to save the world. Wich was so unlike five. Him and Lila were cute in my Opinion but I don’t think his character would ever be too disctracted by girl problems to fight for his family and the world. And that ending was so cliche and so boring for how unhinged and amazing this show is

[@thehauntedtree]

@@MukbangMondaysliterally. She went from disliking him to being charmed by him in half a second. I know it was the Cleanse happening to them but it was lightning quick

[@geeg]

when the toilet humor and baby shark episode is the best one, you know it's cooked

[@CommanderLexaa]

I had to stop before Netflix sent me to the next episode, I was baffled, I had to look up the ending right away and thank fuck cus it saved me from wasting my time.

[@glitchmagpie2078]

I had to convince myself that season 4 never existed. I obviously had some horrible fever dream. The show was three seasons and it was amazing.

[@isabellebuckingham7088]

100% so sad the show ended after season 3

[@tommoric376]

Its weird in all the interviews they keep saying ' the fans wont like this ' like dont do it then !!!!!

[@adnaanu]

The omen wasn't Klaus cutting his hair, but Five growing his.

[@Yeibaldreamss]

It showed him with the long hair in the first season during the “surviving for decades as one of the very few people left on earth” montage 😭

[@adnaanu]

@Yeibaldreamss it was during the apocalypse, he didn't have access to a barber shop. So it doesn't count.

[@Yeibaldreamss]

@@adnaanu true

[@Mytwocents-v7o]

Or just both, really.

[@doid4354]

the omen began when Vanya became Victor.

[@myBquest]

Aidan looks clearly upset. And the rest of the cast looks bored in these promotions. The first season was really good, I don't understand what happened. I also believe that the season was only 6 episodes because Netflix was already planning on cancelling it, so they had to negotiate. Nobody would've cared if they did cancel it. Fans already hated it.

[@MukbangMondays]

Netflix didn’t think it was worth enough and was probably threatening to cancel it if they didn’t Hurry up. Netflix ruins everything they touch

[@CancaN.9]

⁠@@MukbangMondaysyeah and i never understand their logic in general at all. Cancelling great shows or force them to have an early finale which ends up the show been ruined but making 5-6 season of garbage shows. They are obssesed with bad writing and they cut amazing ones to continue bad ones. Another e.g: Queen's Gambit vs Riverdale. Are you for real?? And they gonna give Emily in Paris 5th season..it was bad and still bad and gonna be bad again. but this is what they do to Umbrella Academy?Unbelievable.

[@ambabey0330]

i'm just so appalled that i show i loved for being so smartly and concisely written, could end with such garbage. undoing character development, introducing entirely new plot elements that had nothing to do with anything previously seen, the addition of the multiverse (which completely tears apart the logic of the first 3 seasons), and finally ending the show with a grandfather paradox (the looming threat of season 3). it's just insulting that this is what they left us with.

[@Gomeamenai]

Oh my god! I genuinely thought I was the only one thinking about how they created a grandfather paradox!!! Why would the writers go back on their own words like that???

[@linnecai]

THE KLAUS REGRESSION MADE ME ANGRy Like we didnt go thro all that growth for nothing it wasnt attached to his power so it should still be thereeee

[@aehrlynn]

Nobody wanted nor asked for that Five and Lila ship, that ruined everything for me

[@idknemore525]

I think the worst aspect of the season is that if you think about the rhetoric of the plot for more than 15 seconds you realize the main final message of the show, intentional or not on the part of the writers, is that if you cause a problem, you should just unalive yourself.

[@hosvet_animation]

Even if the problem is THAT YOU WERE BORN, which was caused by their abusive father in the first place so I guess it's a win for bad fathers.

[@dickottel]

guys, this isn't normal world, it's some sci fi shiit, in this case their existence really was the problem, totally not their fault, daddy's to blame, but as long as they exist there are all those timelines with apocalypse and weird stuff happening

[@LicoriceLain]

Yeah, the 'we have to die' ending was stupid forced and the old woman's justification is just odd and undercooked.

[@wildthorn2315]

Klaus's B plot genuinely bothered me so much, its like we haven't gone forward at all with empathy for male victims.

[@breetaylor7465]

I also didn’t understand how it jumped from seeing him come to life to the guy knowing he could be possessed

[@TheIhplodur]

@@breetaylor7465 Problem is, this is a sidestory from the comics. But it´s before his Charakter development.

[@emmao6578]

@@TheIhplodur doesn't mean they had to put it in here and also doesn't mean they had to play it as a funny haha situation, they made the problem.

[@sanrio1222]

it pains me to see one of my favorite shows of all time, get such a bad spin ending,the actors and fans deserved better than what they got, it’s clear that Netflix was done with this show

[@downstageright3298]

Genuinely, the only good thing about Five in Season 4 is his green sweater he wears in the greenhouse. What can I say, he looks good in a sweater.

[@ackrivster07]

They've referred to Umbrella Ben's death as "The Jennifer Incident" before. Sparrow Ben had drawings of Jennifer. How did they not realize the connections? Also why did Umbrella Ben never tell Klaus how he really died??

[@whiteraven181]

Ben was shot from behind so he didn't actually know who did it or what happened beyond the moment he was killed.

[@adriansepulveda9452]

So basically season 3 is the REAL ending. Got it.

[@enoyna1001]

For me, definitely. There was nothing interesting happening in the alternate timeline that is S4.

[@0mniZZ]

I still don't understand why Abigail couldn't just go give Jennifer some merigold and start the cleanse herself. She can shapeshift/body snatch. Just do that to one of the people that Jen trusts in the town and give her merigold? There's no reason the Umbrellas have to get reeled into it other than that they are the main characters.

[@TrueAce2146]

Could have but the poor excuse of writers and their pea brains had to come up with this convoluted plot to make up a sad excuse of a season.

[@adisaster8734]

if her entire reasoning was to get rid of the marigold, why not give it to some animal and then kill the animal?? then jennifer wouldn't have to die either cuz there would be no marigold to interact with her daringo. also why didnt reggie remake his new reality WITHOUT marigold and daringo??

[@TrueAce2146]

@@adisaster8734 literally any other thing could have happened but the writers wanted the hargreeces to gave the marigold to force them to kill themselves

[@hollisticc]

@@adisaster8734 Yeah, or just like send the marigold into the void of space lol. There were so many alternatives

[@tonio5084]

I was genuinely cringing when the living room Christmas scene and the Diego Five subplot was happening. It was incredibly unneeded and did 0 for the story but make a sub plot in the LAST episode to cause internal conflict, but all it did was leave a bad ending for a good portion of the cast.

[@emmao6578]

exactly, I keep seeing people trying to justify it by saying it actually isn't super out of character as they were there 7yrs and didn't think they'd ever find their family again but that's still not a reason for writers to keep the storyline in a season short on time with no room to resolve existing loose ends let alone a whole new side plot that adds absolutely nothing.

[@maggiebrum6347]

19:54 Everyone around me defends it the same way. "But they were together for 7 years." it's still cheating.

[@meunome8220]

Its not like you will fall in love with anyone regardless if spent a lot of time isolated

[@emmao6578]

My issue is that even if it did make sense, based on the scenario they put the characters in, it still didn't add anything to the story and took a lot away from it, including the fact that connecting emotionally with the ending was completely impossible as diego/lila/five are all dying hating each other from an unresolved plot line that didn't need to happen.

[@dickottel]

but they were the only people there in a different universe (except some guys that sometimes attacked them?). I can understand the loneliness and wanting some love

[@kittywatchesyoutube]

It was so terrible I was in utter shock like there’s just no way this is a real season that they were proud of putting out in the world??

[@Odd_Designz]

My issue with the marigold is we see some of left in the bottle.. BUT THEN WE NEVER SEE THE BOTTLE AGAIN! I was so sure Allison's daughter was going to find it and give herself powers and that was going to be a big thing

[@Riveristoohonest]

LMFAO I wanted to see that too so bad expect I thought that Diego and Lila’s kids could have gotten into it since they’re more younger and accidentally drank it or something then got powers 💀also how is them ceasing to exist curing the world when in the beginning seasons it says there were other kids with powers that Reggie never adopted 💀like what about them? Did they die in the end of the world or were still alive like??

[@Odd_Designz]

@jeslynscorner I thought it'd be Claire bc I was so sure it was heading into some kind of "all the adults are busy/captured and Allison won't save Klaus so I have to" and then literally nothing happened!! And yeah they never really explain Marigold very well and so I guess they were never born in this reality since the others were coded in? But they don't EXPLAIN that, and there's only 7 flowers at the end!! It could have been so easily offhandedly mentioned at some point but apparently Luther's wife WAS supposed to exist somehow in this world!?!?!

[@GreenUnicorn06]

As far as I'm concerned, there are only two seasons of The Umbrella Academy. But this was a good video :)

[@dekopuma]

I am so confused about Klaus' first encounter with the drug dealer. Everything about the way he was acting made it seem like his entire purpose was to get shot by the guy. Like Kalus had some secret plan. Maybe fake his own death to get out of the money he owed? But there was just nothing at all.

[@undeath]

i feel like that's what was supposed to happen, the biker wasn't supposed to come back for his sunglasses and see klaus reanimate. either way it was a really stupid way to cause klaus' plot!

[@TheIhplodur]

@@undeath They hardly tried to fit in a sidestory of the comics, but in the sidestory Klaus nether lost his powers and never came over his addiction.

[@AndreiFierbinteanu]

​@@undeath even then, the biker is like "this guy is immortal, I'm going to use him as a sex slave". How did he even know that dead people could posses him? It didn't make any sense.

[@panonymousbloom5405]

I was so confused with that scene overall. Like, why did he even do it? I thought he wanted to get drugs out of it but he didn't even try. Also the drug dealer was never mentioned before, and Klaus lived peacefully for years, went out in public without powers, so it's not like the guy was chasing him down for cash and Klaus had to pretend to be dead to escape. And where's the money&tv he stole from Allison??

[@carterhoule7113]

god ty for touching on the awful klaus trafficking ploteline, it genuinely made me sick to see that done to him entirely played for gay jokes like they cant even pretend they're not homophobic cuz that was disgusting. as a trafficking victim myself that has related to klaus for years it just felt like a slap in the face on top of everything else

[@hollisticc]

I am so sorry that you had to deal with that. I struggle with addiction and have also related to Klaus for years and the regression of his sobriety and how they played it all for jokes was incredibly insulting. I hope that you are on a journey of healing

[@evarhart]

100% the series ends with the last episode of season 3. Season 4 was fanfiction. The only take away from season 4 is an idea of how the Brellis live their lives after losing their powers. I genuinely hope, though this is certainly not going to happen, that Netflix sets a precedent and decides to reshoot season 4 and give the show the true ending it deserves. The way season 4 ends isn't just bad to the audience or the characters, it is downright insulting. Its character assassination, but more than that it is antithetical to the meaning of the first three seasons, that they should love themselves and don't deserve to die even if that means the world is better off. That's why they save Viktor in season 1. They realized that they were just as guilty as their father in pushing Viktor into the tragedy that befell them and decided that they love him so much they'd rather risk everything and everyone to save him. Season 2 pays it off, he comes to be a more thoughtful and kind character and in season 3 he starts to find self love and acceptance, to not be defined by his past. The whole show was a love letter to humanity saying that sufferers of parental neglect and abuse shouldn't view themselves as broken beyond repair, and rather should come to love themselves and not be defined by what they endured, to take it all and struggle to become better people. By the end of season 3 Viktor, Luther, Five, Diego, Klaus, and Lila have all made strides toward being better versions of themselves, even Ben began taking his first steps, and I like to think even Reggie did too during the wedding speech before backsliding. Meanwhile Alison starts the series out at the end of a character journey and resolved to be a better person. She carries that energy to the end of the season, wanting so badly to save Viktor and be a better sister. Season two sees her set her roots and really explore her limits, and in season three after she has lost everything she bares her fangs and lashes out at anything that moves for all the unintended betrayal she has faced. She is looking for someone to blame because sitting with all of that emotion and grief hurts so much and she begins to lose trust in what little she has left. It is when Viktor, the one she gave everything up for, is revealed to have not trusted her that one straw too many has been placed on the camels back, sending her into a downward spiral of negative character regression. I believe this sets her up perfect for season 4 to really explore sitting with what she did in season 3 and coming back around to the conclusion of her powers she reached before the series began but with lessons from season two mixed in. Also, man, I really don't understand why they couldn't have just done a cute platonic thing where Five and Lila just become best friends and trust eachother implicitly now. Why did it have to be a romance. I see potential in them developing a cringy duo bond where they just roll off of eachother in conversations to the point it begins to annoy Diego and that gets played for humor. The love triangle feels like an idea one of the writers parents gave them after having the whole story summarized in ten to fifteen minutes, it is so obviously a terrible route that the whole time the montage of them lost in the timelines was playing I was kind of proud of the show for showing two characters of differing gender expression being friends without catching feelings. They could have played Lila as still in love with Diego and could have even had Five say "you're too young for me" or "I'll never date again after Delores." Literally anything else... Ugh. I still love this show though. S1-S3 was a great ride. I am so glad the show never got a fourth season 💀

[@slothdance2020]

Baby shark van running over santa was the highlight of the season.

[@818cookies]

Yeah, I didn’t get many laughs this season. The last few seasons had me busting out laughing

[@beetlebob4675]

It's so on the nose that it feels deliberate.😂

[@CommanderLexaa]

My wife heard that shit from the other room and asked me ''WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU WATCHING?'' and I just replied with ''I....dont know🤔'' It was very funny tho

[@noks387]

Diego and Lila were such a perfect couple , why they had to ruin that by making her have an affair with HIS BROTHER , i miss Delores

[@MukbangMondays]

Delores ?

[@theroyaljules39]

@@MukbangMondays Five's mannequin girlfriend from season 1

[@Aalisrocklist]

So, if they just took the marigold, they should have become pregnant and not get powers. 🤷‍♀

[@caity613]

Now that would have been interesting.

[@tanepukenga1421]

@@caity613 I feel like I need to see a pregnant Luthor now, ape body and all... Oooh! GIANT ape body! Oh god, now I'm seeing better season ideas in youtube comments instead of on the show

[@rizaadon]

It has been a couple months now and I've forgotten what even happened and only remember being disappointed...

[@TroubleChute]

This timeline did not have a good ending for The Umbrella Academy.

[@TheMelegence]

Funny how the actors laughed at what the showrunners told them about what their characters would do in s4 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@arushiarya2190]

literallyyyy they were like "This is a joke, right?... right?" *nervous laughter*

[@ShadeScaler]

I was genuinely drawn in by the story and the characters, my interest gradually decreased with the seasons passing, but the actual nail in the coffin for me was the roadtrip scene, my interest completely disappeared when I saw that characters puking with baby shark playing on the background is what the series had come to, I stopped watching as soon as I realized that, and the rest of the writing or acting hadn't been great at all by that point

[@hiray2279]

also the waiter that sprinkled with marigold was neglected, they highlighted it with a slow motion... hinting that it will be something

[@Jstaman]

I thought that was ben and that's why it was coming out of his back now

[@HELLO_KORO]

Yea

[@karaleigh_eva]

I can't get over the fact that they gave Five a timeline-jumping subway train and DID NOTHING WITH IT. Like it's the focal point of all the promo pics and stuff to and it just doesn't matter at all? Nothing happens with it except Diego and Lila getting lost (which only lasts like 5 min and then they kiss and it's over with no consequence) Like it doesn't make sense that Five just blindly jumps from train to train? He's so smart and had years of experience on the commission. He doesn't investigate the cables or the tunnels or the tracks? He doesn't try to decode the announcements on the speaker or the alien language on the signs? Who made the subway? Hargreeves? The commission? It was there for no reason but Fivela and Fivela made me SO UNCOMFORTABLE Like I was still perceiving "the 13 yr old with the personality of a 60 yr old" as their kid brother. It was so out of left field and unexpected for them to start fucking necking on each other. I skipped past every single scene of it

[@gladd8869]

The cut scenes kinda piss me off because they’re like “Guys we could have this in but we really need that forced romance drama so eh”

[@Agora13]

It had the GoT problem: they ran out of comics to adapt. The original series is on hiatus. Hollywood needs to stop adapting unfinished works that inevitably lead to hack tv writer endings.

[@CommanderLexaa]

They deviated from the comics in season 2 already, it was just pure incompetence.

[@blim8777]

Ok, this season 4 was terrible, ok. But still I think there is a way to save the show if a season 5 is possible. Now imagine season 5: only one episode, 10 minutes, just Aidan Gallagher. The episode starts with Five on a sofa watching the ending of season 4. He started complaining about all the terrible choices they made for the show and sadly states "They ruined our show and there is nothing to about it", but then smiling "...or is it?". Now Five got closer to a wardrobe, he opens it and inside there is a suitacase. - Blue flashlights - Now Five is now in a room alone and he stands in front of a laptop. On the screen he can notice the file "Umbrella Academy - season 4 - script". He deletes it. - Blue flashlights - Now Five is on the sofa again and, looking at his tablet he read the news: "Netfilx decided to cancel season 4 of Umbrella Academy". He smiles. Pogo's voice: "And that's how Five saved the universe from something much worse than the end of the world" THE END

[@lilfrolee4559]

The writers of the show might just kidnap you bro watch your back

[@indieoregano]

I think this is what it was always meant to be

[@mineturtle7428]

Honestly season 4 completely destroyed his character for me. Honestly the biggest asshole of the whole family. Fuck him

[@ExValeFor]

nice fanfiction, didnt read though

[@ProperBadger]

This is somehow even worse than what we got, bravo 😂

[@Abi3t]

To me, Lila and Jeniffer don’t add up nothing to the story, felt like a waste of time and a joke. It started fading away when they put Lila as a umbrella too

[@monbub]

Totally agree, I never saw the point of adding Lila into the main cast.

[@nighttime8813]

Also Allison wasn’t even drained of her marigold 😭

[@sneakgamecrazy]

The signs of the impending doom was Season 3 being swallowed up by Elliot Page making the whole show about their transition. Everything about the season was disjointed because of some irrelevant plot point you can tell they decided to shoehorn in last minute.

[@beingagnes]

Having baby shark as a music choise was the only evindence I needed to realize this season was dead from the start... the stuck tape gag was salt to injury... wasn't funny in HIMYM either and that wasn't yesterday... Abandoning Klaus was one of their biggest mistakes...for me he was the best character. Funny on the surface, possibly the deepest traumas on the inside, decent character development in the previous seasons - he could have been a huge help for the remaining siblings facing their own struggles him being already out on the other side if they didn't reduce him back into the addict box. Lastly about the Fivela storyline....as first I tried to talk myself into being okay with it like....this could have been an enemies to lovers or something considering how when Lila came into the story first literally her only task has been killing him...but 1. it makes no sense after her storyline with Diego, 2. brings in an unnecessary tension that never gets solved, 3. is weird considering the 15 years age gap of the actors (Gallagher 20, Arya 35), 4. is even weirder considering the sibling-like relationship and ~28 years age gap between the characters (Five 64, Lila around 36) +1. what about Delores being the only love of Five's life? :D it was just wrong on sooooooooo many levels... T.T I started watching it with my brother... finished it without him and told him I heard a romour season 4 never happened. It got cut after season 3.

[@temi6034]

Klaus's plot is horrendous

[@trutrustories5223]

They should have switched powers insted of what they've got. THAT could have been fun

[@Hugh_Jannis]

Umbrella Academy should have ended with Season 1. It's obvious they never had a clear vision for an ongoing story

[@dickottel]

season 2 was great 😊

[@CorpHickLV426]

WTF happened to Sloan? WTH is Reginald’s backstory? Why did they assassinate the characters? I want answers! I want a REAL season 4! ARRGH!!!