The Uncomfortable Truth about School Shooters | with Ragy Girgis M.D.

[@sgcarney]

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[@PerryScanlon]

American culture of allowing bullying in schools and workplaces could contribute to the higher rates.

[@blondequijote]

Other way around. Growing up aware of schools shooters, some of us tried to get on the outcasts' good side just to be safe

[@Nick_Lamb]

@PerryScanlon As schools have had "zero tolerance" bullying policies, the rate has increased (edit: of these mass events).

[@ghostratsarah]

It's way worse in other countries. Especially east asia and England. So that theory doesn't hold water. Rational to think that, but the data doesn't support it.

[@PerryScanlon]

@@Nick_Lamb written policies don't really mean much when the principal and culture allow it de facto.

[@PerryScanlon]

@ghostratsarah I'm curious why you believe it's worse in those places.

[@AlManango]

In a vast society, regulating cognitive and autonomy to all is unrealistic. I can appreciate the attempt by medical in diagnosing by pointing at the detail that causes the slips, but there are big broad strokes in society failing the community or people that feel like lashing out. Africans have a great proverb for this: “The child pushed out of the village, will come back to burn the village down”

[@cmath6454]

Watch Scott Galloway ted talk America War on Young People. The past 3 terrorist activities and assassins have been young people and I have no doubt why. Per reference the Trump assassin, Healthcare CEO and what recently happened in Wisconsin

[@J.C.1966]

My father didn't allow firearms in our house. Not even toy weapons. His reason was his personal experience with armed conflict. I come from a military family. He did allow me to follow weapon education at scouting, and in my own military service I qualified expert on the M16. I've never owned a firearm, and never missed it. After my time in service I stayed in Europe, the Netherlands. Firearm ownership is rare here, and strictly regulated. We have firearm crimes here, but that is mostly criminal on criminal, not violence against civilians. I like that my child has no experience with violence, no experience with firearms. She has never had to practice how to survive a shooting at school. I would think that this would be something which every parent would want for their child.

[@GoonyMclinux]

Good for you, I live in the hood and Im keeping my guns, I was in the military (in armed conflict) also and suggest everyone practices thier second amendment rights, not everyone lives in the Netherlands.

[@robertjary2470]

My dad was the same , I came to really respect him for this. Now, just because he fell off a motorbike once ...

[@BlackCat69909]

@@GoonyMclinux I feel this is highlighting the issue. You speak as if the rampant gun violence in the US was somehow a force of nature. But the rest of the Western world shows you that it most definitely isn't, and what potentially could be done about it. By throwing your collective hands in the air and not even trying to bring on any change, you as a society choose to continue living in this environment.

[@GoonyMclinux]

@BlackCat69909 The environment isn't created by objects, gun defenses outweigh gun crimes by a large margin and wack jobs shooting up undefended schools are the problem not the tool used. should America ban leftists since its always them shooting everything up? Should America also ban knives since more people die from those in America than guns? cops kill more kids every year than school shooters. The American conversation is currently about behavior more than it is anything else.

[@GoonyMclinux]

@@BlackCat69909 I tried to answer you but KZbin deleted the comment, also part of the current American behavior issue.

[@bouldernow]

Scott, I loved your comment about the harsh reality of gun violence being is being insulated from the public. There’s billions of dollars of incentive in the movie industry to show rampant violence, and ironically reporting on violence in the real world is dis incentivized. Many of the KZbin channels I watch for news on the war in Ukraine get demonetized. KZbin is taking away incentive for journalists to report the news, and more than that, removing incentive to report just how brutal it is. The fact this Super informative video with a super smart doctor who understands and can communicate a large body of research that should be informing us how to respond to mass shootings, will not contribute financially to your career as a journalist, because the doctor said words like suicide, killing, murder and mass murder is crazy to me. We need intelligent people having intelligent conversations about these topics!! Thanks for the work you did to bring this to your channel!

[@sgcarney]

IT's so true. It's almost impossible to talk about what is happening in Ukraine right now. Or, for that matter, anything actually important. Talking about reality is a great way to get demonetized. It's insane.

[@doogandoggin2571]

I'm glad you did upload this even if it was demonetized. We have got to get the dialog going. There are some, not many young people that have been failed by the adults. The adults aren't as worried about children as they are their pockets.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

In my opinion the reason that this stuff will never be solved in America is because solving it requires compassion towards the type of person who would do one of these attacks in order to prevent them from doing it. Mental health interventions that are actually successful and actually help people giving people resources giving people opportunities to express themselves in a positive way is not going to happen in America so America is going to keep winning the prize of not doing those things which is these attacks you can take care of your own people or your own people will behave badly It's pretty obvious

[@RachelDoesntknow]

I have to agree. Americans have a hard time thinking in anything other than black and white. I mean everyone does, but our culture and media really inflame it.

[@ghostratsarah]

Also health insurance

[@A3Kr0n]

KZbin recommended this video and I've never seen this channel before. It showed up while looking for the school shooting in Madison.

[@gmy33]

So youvare a democrate between 40 an 60 .. male lwfthanded with a garage brinking beer and you dont like bowling . Thats why you get this recomandation . Just like me :-)

[@athenamax345]

you commented on this channel 5 months ago so you have seen this channel you probably just forgot about it and it’s not hard to believe that this video would pop up especially when you’ve been looking content in the subject

[@Iam...---]

Times have changed. I graduated HS in the 80s. What we were copying was calling in fake bomb threats to get out of school and drinking syrup of ipecac to stay thin.

[@NQR-9000]

Ray Girgis M.D. : "We shouldn't foster a romanticized version of gun violence" Me : remembering the deep effect the first scene of "Saving Private Ryan" had on my young teenager self, and strongly agreeing!

[@lupine.spirit]

Yes! It’s a similar thing with drugs. Like, a movie can be a anti-something as it want to be (anti-war, anti-drugs, anti-anything), teenagers in particular (but also adults in varying degrees) WILL romanticize the thing being warned about. I distinctly remember watching „Christiane F“ (a German movie about a young drug addict) as a teen and seeing the scene of the protagonists running from the cops while Bowies „Heroes“ is being played had a very very big impact on me. I started to yearn for that feeling of freedom and looked for it in substances, even tho the end of the movie is supposed to be a warning.

[@ghostratsarah]

And we need to respect age ratings on media. If a game is rated M, an adult should not buy it for their 12 y/o. If a movie is R, a gaurdian should not bring them into the theater. There is very strong research behind age gating. The argument about media not causing violence is cherry picked from the studies, people who use it usually leave out the age rating factors.

[@Insatiable.Curiosity]

Here to feed to algorithm. This conversation is so needed, and I’m grateful to the guest for his time, and to you, Scott, for the detailed questions! I’m also very curious about how the Polish cultural relationship to guns will be influenced overtime by the new program that teaches kids to shoot guns as a required course in schools (which I believe came as a preventative, future-forward measure, heavily influenced by Russia’s unjust war against Ukraine).

[@potatopirate5557]

I believe the notoriety aspect can be narcissistic grandiosity or control driven but can also be a desperate need to be known and seen. Feeling so abandoned, misjudged, unappreciated and betrayed by their fellow man, they want to force them to see and acknowledge them and their suffering; and to pay for it as they feel they have been forced to.

[@AlManango]

In a time where we can define: Dark triad psychology traits. Yet we can do little to change the society which helps groom these situations, it means little to those suffering in it.

[@KavisJansons]

This is your best video so far. Thanks.

[@sgcarney]

Thanks for watching!

[@pookiedacat8364]

The 1st mass shooting was in 1979, Brenda Spencer at Cleveland Elementary School in San Diego County. There were 2 deaths and 9 injured. The Columbine shooting was 20 years later, in 1999.

[@sgcarney]

It goes back farther than that. Check out the the Bath School Disaster of 1927: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster Yeah, not a shooting, but it's the same concept.

[@OneAdam12Adam]

Research the song by The Boomtown Rats, I Don't Like Mondays.

[@72drowssap]

I can't believe what a disappointment this talk was for me. Those that work with data professionally will understand this...."garbage in, garbage out". EDIT: I had to come back after hearing the "proclamation" made by the good doctor at the very end that mental health issues are only responsible for a TINY portion of suicide or mass shootings. Between 80-90% of suicides are completed by individuals that are either currently receiving treatment for mental health struggles or have received it within the last 30 days. Since the majority of viewers/readers will not look this up on their own, I will use individual incidents that were highly publicized. The mass shooting that occurred at Columbine were carried out by people that had been receiving care for mental health struggles. The mass shooting in Aurora at the movie theatre was carried out by an individual that was receiving care for mental health struggles. I could go on and on...but that would make me no better than the good doctor in this video. Talk is not accomplishing anything with these problems today. You will be seeing a valid solution soon.

[@alexedgar6539]

A great talk . Thanks for not being enslaved to the algorithm

[@fizzamea6683]

Meanwhile another schoolshooting just happened... I can only recommend also this documentary about guns in Switzerland and the cultural difference between duty and right (or entitlement?): kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZ-ldX5jhrONoa8si=bepqlWRJ6o2U3F-2 It would be nice to make this research publicly available so that the people who still believe in science and data have a deeper understanding of it...and maybe they would be ready to have an open discussion about it or even compromise a very small part of their "freedom". Itˋs worth mentioning that something very similar is apparently happening in China too. They call it "the revenge against society": frustrated men who attack people with knives or even run over them with the car, often targeting schools. I guess reclaiming control, dominance and power is the strongest common denominator, no matter in what country you are...and the radicalization online, especially of young men, just got much worse.

[@MK-yt3ct]

Ive always thought these shootings were like extreme tantrums. Think of a toddler going on a rampage in a shop and breaking everything because mommy wouldnt buy them a toy.

[@Lyrielonwind]

Narcissists are prone to tantrums. I think there's a correlation because even if mass shooters are looking for suicide by cop, what about the notoriety? Especially when they choose primary schools. Narcissists are not only looking for validation and admiration. They also have sadistic traits and many therapists compare narcissists with arrested development, that is, big babies with no empathy and a god complex. You have a point in there.

[@helenr4300]

Thank you for the clarity about the Mental Illness categories. People suffering from MH issues are shown to be more at risk of violence than to use violence. People like to use the idea of 'that sounds beyond comprehension; they must be mentally ill' as a way to label events in a way that doesn't psychologically affect them personally. Part of that is that people think that they can spot the mentally ill and by avoiding them can be safe/keep family safe. The reality - that the majority of horrific violent actions are committed by people with no prior, or later, mental health diagnoses - is too scary to face. We need the baddies to be visible and 'not like us' so that we can pretend to know what is safe. (Eg Stranger danger vs the real stats of child abuse being someone known to them and family). Because psychologically when we feel able to identify danger vs safety then the world feels more navigable. Like the old Westerns - the baddies have one colour hat and and the Good guys a different colour - so everyone can tell who is who. The real world is just too complex and unpredictable to face....

[@brittvaughn9447]

This guy is a delight to listen to. Thoughtful, careful, taking time to understand.

[@upsidedown1972]

I take some issue with his use of "mentally ill" he needs to be very specific then and define EXACTLY what he means medically by the term. Because a mass killer is hardly not mentally ill in some way. I'm guessing he means things specifically like schizo effective disorders and the like.

[@kzrlgo]

It’s concerning to hear that such an important database isn’t publicly available. Perhaps your next video could explore the broader issue of academics collecting data on critical topics-often funded by grants and access under the guise of advancing public knowledge-only to later gatekeep this information for personal or professional gain. Transparency is key when the aim is truly to further human understanding.

[@ralph5899]

The one thing that ties these shooters together is they have no girlfriend, and their home life is a mess. This young lady who murdered 2 people in Madison had a terrible home life and no boyfriend or girlfriend.

[@chojinnppp]

Looking forward to the discussion.

[@pistonjab4515]

What a fantastic video, this is the type of video that needs 1b views, not flipping Gangnam style or Taylor Swift.

[@bouldernow]

I think we need a body of knowledge that is required of US citizens. Of course, we could never agree on what that body of knowledge would consist of, but for me it would consist of this video.

[@HotTakeAndy]

This feels pretty intuitive reasoning honestly.

[@loumoon7660]

The images of children who were injured in the tornado in Moore that hit an elementary school always stuck with me and really cemented the consequences in my mind long term. But I don’t know if that’s the same thing or not

[@chojinnppp]

Nice conversation; it would be great to access to the data.

[@dreaziemobbins]

"If there were no guns, there would be no shootings" -- person making obvious observation "AND if there were no bullets" -- this video

[@MamaTrauma]

In order to actually address the subject appropriately medicine especially psychology needs to acknowledge the real role of trauma in childhood instead of having to complicate things to such a degree.

[@loumoon7660]

I think showing injuries would make people even more desensitized. Knowing high school boys would literally search out graphic violence online, I think that might be a worse idea. I’m not sure

[@robertjary2470]

Damn ! Scott you have some really fascinating people on your show .

[@sgcarney]

Thanks.

[@helenr4300]

First watch of this channel - very impressed with the comparison of different mass killing contexts. Highlighting the familial situations that are overlooked (In Uk that may not involve guns but the experience of 'parent without custody seeking to kill children and themselves' is something we recognise here). The idea of mass shooting perpetrators seeking suicide combined with making a name for themselves; expressing a complex anger at the world around them (and for teens that world around them is likely to focus on schools). Coming from a place where there is no such thing as open or conceal carry permits; where guns can be owned and registered but generally either sports guns held at ranges; or rifles/shotguns for rural eg farming contexts. We have armed police who can be deployed when guns known or suspected to be involved in a situation. But our default is for the police not to carry firearms; tazers yes, but not guns. So 'suicide by cop' is not a guaranteed result (compared to being incapacitated by tazer and living to come before the courts). It also seems to avoid the arms race between offenders and law enforcement. But we have a totally different cultural context to the US where pioneers heading west - away from law enforcers; and needing to be able to give a serious means of defense. Regardless about the question of the validity of manifest destiny and the various rights to dominate the locals - the pioneer/homesteader is a strong cultural image. So I have no idea how US can put the gun back in its holster; but can see how so much of cultural history (from colonies to statehood) ended up being pro-gun. (In UK we have knife violence, and yes guns in gang areas, but we have a history of proto modern policing around the rise of the gun. So regulation and social structure were already in place - compared to the rawness of life in early US. Famously the UK Parliamentary House of Commons has 2 sides facing each other - and the lines in front of each side are deliberately 2 sword lengths apart! To cross the line towards the other during a debate being taken as joining the other side or as treason. [of course these days people can cross the line in coming and going; but the lines exist. And if an MP (Member of Parliament) ever does convert to the opposing party they are described as 'crossing the line'.

[@Iam...---]

"I'll show them."; "They'll remember me.".

[@tomtech1537]

Interesting conversation, most of it seems pretty self evident based on the conversation over the last 20 years (gun laws work, reduced access to guns works, familicide by patriarch being the most common mass murder, mental illness -- if you include suicide/depression which he doesn't seem to - , being a large component of mass shooters). Some criticism; He seems to run in circles in a few places to signal that mental illness is a small element of public mass shootings (including depressed individuals), though this seems counterproductive to his central argument that someone being suicidal is 1/3rd of the profile for most common for mass shooters. Talks about 'emptiness' later and that *not* being related to mental illness. These seem like symptoms of depression or suicidal tendencies or similar, making me suspect that he is relying on public reporting of the shooter having a condition and ignoring whether it's undiagnosed potentially resulting in survivorship biases (this being important if you care about prevention -- maybe make access to psychology support resources much cheaper/easier for example). I think he does this to avoid the stigma that psychology still has from the 20th wrt asylums. When talking about notoriety the talks about differences in body count between guns vs knives. I think that these are opposing ideas. Something that he doesn't address the psychology involved of why the offender chooses one weapon over the other; I think most people think they could tag more people with a gun than a knife (regardless of the facts) -- in this case it would seem that perception is far more important than reality for why someone chooses the weapon. I find it a bit odd when he discusses guns being 'associated' with suicide, which seems like a questionable finding based on the research methodology. I can buy that the idea that this will result in suicide by cop (or once they are low on rounds they will pop themselves), but he seems to be pushing the idea that it's more subtle psychological finding which I don't believe he can uncover with this research method. "Global" database but all of the talking points seem to be US focussed. I have severe doubts about this being truly global based on the ways he is talking (most obviously especially non English, non latin alphabets, places like China where news may be restricted). My suspicion is that they have drawn from US news sources (which is understandable but not representative of what he has claimed). The 60x times more likely for a public mass shooting outside of gun free zone *per capita* seems suspiciously cherry picked. The public mass shootings that all come to mind is Schools, Theatres, Churches. Not that I buy that people target these areas because they are "soft" targets. "Romanaticisation of gun violence is what drives public shooters", I think he is going out on a huge limb here and is not drawing from his own research (this piece atleast). There's quite a lot of research on this and my understanding is that it is pretty much unmeasureable impact (my personal suspicion is that there is some and the shooters will are more succeptible to these influences). I like where Scott goes talking about talking about abstraction allows people to not care (reminds me of James Holmes pumping up the volume to avoid hearing the screams). I would have liked if this idea was extended instead of trying to extend this idea by coding the notoriety that they might get (eg: in Australia relabelling "king hit" with "coward punch") being a potential deterrence.

[@Lyrielonwind]

Gun culture is an issue and cluster B personalities disorders are characterized by emptiness and they are personalities with no mental illness because they know right from wrong. Depressed people are dangerous to themselves. They don't usually commit crimes. They take their own lives, not others. Psychotics and schizoids do get violent towards others. I think he said it because people often blame people with mental illness when most of the people who commit violent crimes are malignant personalities who had some setback they can't resolve without revenge on society.

[@patrickheim7682]

Sadly this discussion skirts around directly confronting the existence of a violent urban underclass.

[@AlinaLaVida]

Yt having a hard time to find fitting ads.

[@petrhorak3268]

It is the first anniversary of the first mass school shooting in my country - the Czech Republic. It shook the whole country. It happened in 2023 right before Christmas. If you want to know more - it was school shooting in Prague Charles University, Faculty of Philosophy. 14 people dead, 25 injured. 21.12.2023 😢🇨🇿

[@petrhorak3268]

People fell from roof and jumped while trying to escape the shooter. It was the first case where the shooter used a silencer in school shooting. He commited suicide. Before the mass shooting the shooter killed his father cutting his head off with an axe. He was fully stocked up in ammo and ready. He also made a bomb to slow down the police. He wanted to lock down the school and block escape. Thankfully police was faster than him. He was heard while shooting to shout “Now you won’t ignore me anymore”. He wanted to unalive himself because he was also an incel. He radicalized himself with some weird japanese anime. He then went to woods near Prague where he shot a random stranger - a dad with newborn baby who was happily enjoying nature… After a week he commited the mass shooting. Police was alerted when he sent a text message to his “girlfriend” (who rejected him) that he wants to unalive himself. He then went to school where he started shooting. The police was already in the area searching for him but they only knew that he wanted to unalive and not shoot everyone. It is shocking case and our country is generally the most safe country in the EU.

[@donaldmcpherson4579]

During the 1994-2004 ban: In the years after the assault weapons ban went into effect, the number of deaths from mass shootings fell, and the increase in the annual number of incidents slowed down. Even including 1999’s Columbine High School massacre - the deadliest mass shooting during the period of the ban - the 1994 to 2004 period saw lower average annual rates of both mass shootings and deaths resulting from such incidents than before the ban’s inception. From 2004 onward: The data shows an almost immediate - and steep - rise in mass shooting deaths in the years after the assault weapons ban expired in 2004. Breaking the data into absolute numbers, between 2004 and 2017 - the last year of our analysis - the average number of yearly deaths attributed to mass shootings was 25, compared with 5.3 during the 10-year tenure of the ban and 7.2 in the years leading up to the prohibition on assault weapons.

[@00ImRightHere00]

Thank you for this video.

[@chantsmantrasandrelaxation5079]

Thank you both. Really interesting.

[@ghostratsarah]

38:00 age ratings on media need to be respected, and more strict. A horror movie should not be able to grease some palms or cut a couple small details, to get a PG13, when it is clearly an R. A 10 y/o should not be playing a video game where they're gunning down other humans. And a real-momey gambling game should not be getting a PEGI 3 (all ages) rating and marketed to 8 y/os (FIFA). That's my suggested action we can take. Hold rating boards accountable, don't allow producers/publishers to get away with manipulqting the ratings, and inform guardians of the games their children are playing. Media doesn't cause violence, but it is a factor- one that can be regulated without censorship.

[@LunarCascader]

Insanity being the result of doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results is not an Einstein quote. I first heard it in that context, and I thought it was pretty good until I had a shadow of a doubt that Einstein would say something like that. Something along the lines of psychiatry not being Einstein's lane. While I only have ever had a mostly superficial knowledge of Einstein, I felt stupidly righteously vindicated to find out that he never said that.

[@sbocaj22]

While there is a lot of good info in this video there’s also several factual inaccuracies including the one you’ve pointed out. He also goes on to claim that medications have no link to triggering aggression and homocidal ideation in people and that’s flat out not true. Especially when the FDA has to include it as a side effect in the prescribing info of many of these meds.

[@SocietyIsCollapsing]

What did JD Mandel say about these? Something like "they're just a fact of life," wasn't it? Move along, and watch the story about the one tomorrow.

[@ChurchWorshipandvideo]

I appreciate your interview. The next time you interview please let them list out the summaries of what we should do. I felt your questions consistently detailed his thoughts. Next time hold your redirects until after the guest has outlined their points fully.

[@heidi22209]

Why not allow this database to be made public? The gatekeeper needs to control the narrative of the findings?

[@TheRhino154]

26:31 I don’t know if the coronation is strong when most places in the U.S. are not gun free zones.

[@DrPsychlops]

Agree on most points. However, smart guns are never going to be widly adopted for the most obvious reasons. Cost, reliability, and potential for data breaches. All good reasons, frankly.

[@homeshows]

Couple points....one not sure the reason for the sharf but it just kept me thinking you were about to run off to to go carolling. I cringed with the 'emptiness' issue brought up as we certainly know for a large portion of the political right the answer to that is more god, commandments, Christianity forced in schools and society. The empytiness may very well be a result of the fakeness of society and the religion that so easily ignores its principles but the knee jerk reaction will no doubt be more more religion just as the knee jerk reaction to mass murder is more guns. As much as the data base and research into gun violence is needed the fact is many times facts don't matter and we remain in the cycle of misinformation about the facts calling the shots.

[@Dem0n_baby]

What’s with the scarf?

[@Nick_Lamb]

22:30 Disproving the "good guy with a gun" claim by saying that suicide by cop is a "very frequent" way that the shootings end makes no sense to me. Is the claim that it is a motivating factor so police should not have guns? Edit: Also the "60 percent occur in gun allowed zones claims" on data that stretches so far back and is also not publicly availble seems spurious. I wonder what the number is in the last decade, and we know that 100 percent of school shootings occur in gun free zones. I also recall a shooter targeting a jewish school ststing they passed by one that had security to go to one that did not.

[@shelleywoolf9693]

The real question is, how do you create mass shewterz by using advanced technology & surveillance?

[@wyattlightning6681]

This guy really thinks it's more "videogames bad" than the ostracization of these kids in these schools, and abusive family life. That's what fuels this stuff

[@intricatic]

As a socialist, I am 100% in favor of liberalized gun laws. I stand with Karl Marx in saying that the working class must never be disarmed.

[@A3Kr0n]

A very sad video that came out a few years ago by Abacaba compares police shootings in the US to England. "Police Killings in the US and the UK, 2009-2020". It's a moving graphic based on Wikipedia data.

[@varf4528]

Would this also be an example of Erostratus Syndrome?

[@RachelDoesntknow]

Thanks for addressing the issue head-on. It has always been frustrating to watch it distilled down to one thing or another. This is a complex sociological issue. People definitely kill people. That needs addressing. But if assault rifles are being increasingly used in impulsive and dangerous way, then yeah, theyre going to have to be restricted and that restriction has to be relative to local population density, AT LEAST. Sure, the government controlling access has some ethical quandaries. But so does every uncomfortable choice. Our ethical concerns also cant keep up with modern technology like assault rifles--whole other can of worms. But we dont hand out nukes on the street. (We fight to restrict the use of it for EVERYONE, including our govt) I think EVERYONE should be able to agree on this at minumum: It's obvious that we need to treat the problem at the source, and people should not be walking around with concealed carry or automatic weapons in places like NYC, as an exteme example of urban density. Everyone should at least be able to agree on that

[@MrOtisotis]

this guy has some great raised eyebrow game.

[@Govstuff137]

It sounds like you gave it more thought than the doctors who did the study!

[@halfblackmagic8853]

24:57 not only does he stumble around saying this, I feel this is disingenuous. Gun free zone means there are NO guns there. As in it is not lawful to openly or concealed carry. The places where you can carry a weapon are VERY limited and rifles are pretty much complete taboo unless you are on a gun range, in your personal vehicle under castle law or at some other location where there is special access or the desert/ woods, etc. Handguns can be carried concealed only in certain places as well, it’s posted on windows for most businesses. If you’re out and about, not going into buildings, it’s generally acceptable to conceal carry and open carry is again is highly limited and regulated. Do you know how this is incredibly obvious? Mr Dr here is clearly not a gun owner, so they are only parroting the data. Few deaths occur at ranges, even people out plinking on some owned land in the woods, it rarely happens. These shooters pick soft targets, which is why they choose schools, churches, shooing markets where people are unaware, unarmed and close together. Fully automated weapons are EXTREMELY regulated and VERY expensive, like $15,000+ dollars plus fingerprints, a locking safe and alerting local police of acquiring the rifle. So the reason why these are chosen is because the law prohibits extremely dangerous weapons and 99% of guns are semi. And of course they are regulated through background checks. If you do a crime, you’re likely not a person of good decision making and you are barred from getting a weapon, it helps and is the first line of regulation. Less guns does not mean less violence, it means the 99.999% of legitimate gun owners are fully compliant, while criminals still operate outside the law, they do not abide and do so covertly because they are knowingly doing illegal activities. What’s the saying about throwing the baby out with the bathwater? Many of these shooters got the weapon from their parents- who knew their kid has a mental health issue and do nothing about it. They should probably put the gun in a safe or sell it if they can’t their child understand control. Majority of these shootings, the people are on or have been on some medication. I’m unsure why this is so hard to understand, no sane person is shooting places up and so many of them had these Rx. Denying this is also disingenuous. Next being the elephant in the room, how many of these shootings are inner city people using handguns? I’d love to see him break down that data, I bet it is higher than the kids in schools. We know the gang bangers and people on drugs dont cars about life and indeed have mental health issues. Just cause they never saw a dr does not mean they are mentally ill. It’s clear we have incredible mental health issues and lack of accountability of the parents, who fail to raise decent children. If you raise them right, they won’t do these things. Think about how many young men play these violent games vs how many play out acts in real life. The number is so incredibly low, same as the number of legal guns in America vs the legal guns being used in acts of terror. The amount of murders through time in the us used with blunt and edged weapons is insane and if you get rid of guns, they will just use physical weapons. Look at the UK stabbings, they can’t even put a stop to that. You cannot stop mentally ill people from committing violence, they are going to find a way unless you open the asylums back up, which I don’t see happening. Another point- suing firearm manufacturers for their product being used in these violent events. That does not solve the problem. Are you going to sue car manufacturers of their cars are used incorrectly? No. The man who ran into a crowd of people, nobody wanted to sue the manufacturer did they? It’s reaching, which is understandable considering what happens, but it’s not the answer. Final point to say that this is indeed becoming a problem when you see female school shooters. The majority have been male, most perps of violent crime and murder are men. So the fact that we are now seeing young women is startling and unprecedented. Be safe out there…

[@zzer0_fox]

I'm commenting early in the video, but I'm pretty sure in areas where guns aren't as accessible there are mass stabbings, etc instead. Guns I think do make it more likely to easily harm more ppl, though. But we did have bombers for a while, too.

[@Govstuff137]

The American narcissism and its superior attitude you spoke of about. I would like to consider the difference from Europe. Consider in Europe you can can get on a train or bus and be in multiple countries in one day. But go to the USA and we are separated by these two oceans. And I didn't even include the Asian influence. We like to isolate ourselves it seams. What do you think?

[@DANsRPathetic]

Its sad that this doctor is being given a platform at all. Being in healthcare for my entire 30 plus years in the workforce I can tell you that words are extremely important. what a word is defined is by the speaker and the recevier of the information is paramount to accurate transmission of information. This doctor is mixing mass shootings, mass killing, etc. in his information and it isn't accurate because of that reason alone. When you see 600-800 mass shootings a year it is because the definition is three or more people shot. It's not necessary for anyone to die to have a mass shooting. It is the number one reason for people being wounded by gunfire. It is also one of the leading causes of death from firearms. Most mass shootings are by gang members in the inner city. If you want to lower gun violence in America its really quite simple...all gun violence is a federal crime. if you commit a felony with a firearm you get life in prison, period. If you've committed three misdemeanors with a firearm you get life in prison, period. That would severely cut down gun violence. You aren't going to stop suicide. No one is concerned about gun control because of suicide. They're concerned about gun violence because they don't want to be shot and potentially killed.

[@Wildatheartoz]

Only an American would say this

[@DJ_Frankfurter]

This was a really interesting interview!! Thanks!

[@MNP208]

Interviewing child victims (of school events or others) and airing their video interviews online is heinous and should be illegal. 😢

[@sharpvidtube]

I wish it was easy to stop. People love their freedom of speech, they never think of the harm it can cause. Just because you have a right, doesn't mean you should always use it.

[@calboy2]

Very informative!

[@Jaggerbush]

RIP any hope of monetary profits from this video. Great job, though. FYI this channel and video found me so that says something to the algorithm bc i never viewed your channel before.

[@sgcarney]

Interesting enough, this video somehow is still monetized. Might be because I put that warning at the beginning.

[@AlinaLaVida]

I haven‘t factchecked the number but I read that about 30% of people are born without empathy. When these people are not helped through early life, pictures of dead bodies might not make the impression on them that you think they should have. And sensitive people get traumatized by the pictures. I personally believe that pictures of dead people or harmed people no matter in what context shouldn’t be shown. Before the Internet, there was no way to get a hold on these kind of pictures. And I guess that no one ever thought that we have to see these pictures to educate people on the outcomes of using firearms. We live in times of romanticizing violence. We can’t turn the dial back on that. Dialing it up won’t help either.

[@screamneagle8420]

They’re pulling their data from reliable media sources like NBC, ABC and CNN! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@sgcarney]

Wound 4chan be better?

[@screamneagle8420]

@ I was thinking more like the Enquirer

[@JeremyPickett]

I am only six minutes in. It us important that the victims are not stats, however the details about a victims circumstances may help prevent future victims. My heart friggan' goes out . Isnt this kind of research vitally important, and for the sake of solid research, shouldnt ot be open? I understand the need and want to shepherd something so impactful. Would an opener, considered approach be more conducive? (I am just a rando on the 'net, and above all TY!!)

[@sgcarney]

Email him and he will likely give you access.

[@mikek2111987]

I look forward to listening to this when I get time. I was literally just looking at a book that is apparently banned in most libraries called "People kill people". Unfortunately lawmakers and politicians miss logical thought entirely when it comes to guns

[@foggycraw6758]

That doctor looks so polite 😅

[@Kannot2023]

Blah, blah, don't arm the idiots. When US constitution was written, citizen meant an middle class man who didn't used drugs, except alcohol and it was integrated in society. And the gun was a muzzle loader. Anyway a drunk man doesn't aim very well.

[@sgcarney]

You didn't watch the video.

[@MrSeedi76]

Where did my comment go? How I hate the algorithm.

[@cliftongamespoorly6333]

Less the algorithm, more it got caught in youtubes comment filters

[@sgcarney]

The algo is the worst. I don't see your comment in the filter on the backend, either.

[@stevsteve0694]

That happens to me all the time, I always copy my comment before posting so that if it gets auto deleted I can adjust it Wish they would give you a reason though

[@sharpvidtube]

If I ever leave a link to a site outside of KZbin, my comment gets deleted. Sometimes I can see my comment, but if I log out, it isn't there.

[@MrSeedi76]

And the comment I wrote as an answer also disappeared. Honestly, KZbin is no longer fun.

[@LindaWatkins-oo5xc]

my what convenient $$$ opinions you have.

[@zergbong]

SSRI makes people suiicidal and apathetic, the shooters are suicidal, perhaps there is a link between SSRI and mass shooting since so many of the shooters were on it. Yet the doctors and especially the psych doctors are dependent on these meds since this is their only instrument. To say that the data is very clear that SSRI are not related to shooting is something really really weird.

[@itmeurdad]

Don't buy the "sick young kid" narrative the lobbyists propagate and media regurgitate. There are MILLIONS of children on antidepressants (well worthy of a separate discussion) and somehow 99.99% manage not to become mass murderers. But you know what does have a 100% correlation with mass shootings? Guns. That's it. The link is an affinity for firearms, as stated by the good doctor.

[@cassieoz1702]

SSRI make SOME people suicidal (mostly in the first 4 weeks on meds) and SOME people apathetic, in my experience, those are small numbers. It wouldn't surprise me if there was a poor correlation between SSRI and mass shooting

[@loganmiat]

Why does bro speak like he's trying to increase the word count. He could be so much more concise. So tedious to listen to.

[@zloungeact]

Scarf looks pretty gay

[@ash-is-napping]

Gay in a good way

[@tomtech1537]

Interesting conversation, most of it seems pretty self evident based on the conversation over the last 20 years (gun laws work, reduced access to guns works, familicide by patriarch being the most common mass murder, mental illness -- if you include suicide/depression which he doesn't seem to - , being a large component of mass shooters). Some criticism; He seems to run in circles in a few places to signal that mental illness is a small element of public mass shootings (including depressed individuals), though this seems counterproductive to his central argument that someone being suicidal is 1/3rd of the profile for most common for mass shooters. Talks about 'emptiness' later and that *not* being related to mental illness. These seem like symptoms of depression or suicidal tendencies or similar, making me suspect that he is relying on public reporting of the shooter having a condition and ignoring whether it's undiagnosed potentially resulting in survivorship biases (this being important if you care about prevention -- maybe make access to psychology support resources much cheaper/easier for example). I think he does this to avoid the stigma that psychology still has from the 20th wrt asylums. When talking about notoriety the talks about differences in body count between guns vs knives. I think that these are opposing ideas. Something that he doesn't address the psychology involved of why the offender chooses one weapon over the other; I think most people think they could tag more people with a gun than a knife (regardless of the facts) -- in this case it would seem that perception is far more important than reality for why someone chooses the weapon. I find it a bit odd when he discusses guns being 'associated' with suicide, which seems like a questionable finding based on the research methodology. I can buy that the idea that this will result in suicide by cop (or once they are low on rounds they will pop themselves), but he seems to be pushing the idea that it's more subtle psychological finding which I don't believe he can uncover with this research method. "Global" database but all of the talking points seem to be US focussed. I have severe doubts about this being truly global based on the ways he is talking (most obviously especially non English, non latin alphabets, places like China where news may be restricted). My suspicion is that they have drawn from US news sources (which is understandable but not representative of what he has claimed). The 60x times more likely for a public mass shooting outside of gun free zone *per capita* seems suspiciously cherry picked. The public mass shootings that all come to mind is Schools, Theatres, Churches. Not that I buy that people target these areas because they are "soft" targets. "Romanaticisation of gun violence is what drives public shooters", I think he is going out on a huge limb here and is not drawing from his own research (this piece atleast). There's quite a lot of research on this and my understanding is that it is pretty much unmeasureable impact (my personal suspicion is that there is some and the shooters will are more succeptible to these influences). I like where Scott goes talking about talking about abstraction allows people to not care (reminds me of James Holmes pumping up the volume to avoid hearing the screams). I would have liked if this idea was extended instead of trying to extend this idea by coding the notoriety that they might get (eg: in Australia relabelling "king hit" with "coward punch") being a potential deterrence.