Why do so many meditators want to silence this Neuroscientist?

[@sgcarney]

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[@tedmom3029]

Agree, his zealotry detracts from the conversation.

[@gkeith64]

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Ayob 38:22 “Hast thou entered into the treasures of the SNOW ❄️? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail❄️? As the tears, (RAIN}, of the heavenly hosts fall, through the cold & snowflakes ❄️ are formed, in accordance to their praises, HalleluYah 🔯💜 Yashayahu 55:10-11 Genesis 2:7 And YaHU'aH AllahAYnu formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life🔯......YaH🔯 SPEAKS; EL yoU Cee, EL oM into MoLeCule's, & formation of seMaN! WE Swim to the womb, as Atoms ⚛️ form as 2 SowEL's collide, into DNA 🧬 , by which all cells are made & multiply! Having united, 2 married in2, 1 new sowel, for the making of a zygote, new NaMes, in human form. And the cymatic heartbeat of a FetUS🔯639 hertz, another sown Eloheim, 2 be born, as 1, a marriage & unbreakable bond! Marriage = baby🍼! YeremiYahu 1:5 As in the Ancient Covenant Elders Yahu∆ah, which are called by YaH🔯's Great name. Yahu∆ah = YaHU'aHs🔯,🔺 ∆oor, of IMMORTALITY. The π🔯mi∆! Sonic implosion creates the star tetYAHedron🔯 when speaKING: YaHUaHs Great NAME. In all the above, what do we see? Fathers sigNATURE🔯 is how everything is KINnected 💜, tested, known & proven! Go Look, know & see! 1 King∆om 2 sons/Nations Father YaHU'aH has chosen the 2nd Son 1st born AbraYam 2nd born |__________ Yshmael Y'saac | Esau Ya'acob | Aaron Moshe' Ephraim Yahu∆ah Y'srael North🕎 🔯YahuDah South YeremiYahu 3:7 2Edras 2:10 Divorced❄️ ☀️Yarushalom Caucasian Asian American African | Black Arab.............. Algonquin ___ _Negro | Colored | | Y'srael & |----------------|--------Yahudah EsAU Asian Khem----------| | Ephraim | Greek Babylonian | Roman Herodian ___| Idumeans ----| Sephardim___|_Spain Roman Judeans ---| ^ ^ | Cretins-Christians Jew ? ? Egyptian Indian•Bharat Read 1 Kings 12:11, YashaYahu 5:8-30 & YeremiYahu 17th chptr & 25:1-9,1st Enoch - Chapter 92:9-10, Luke 21:20-24,Amos 8:11 Lamentations, YeremiYahu 7 chapter, ZacharYahu 14:3, Joel 3, Amos 3:13-15🦉🗝️🔯🐝🔯Obed♾️YaHU🔯💜💚

[@gkeith64]

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[@et8893]

It would be amazing if you could interview Hamilton Souther from Blue Morpho.

[@zoltanfabiansk5795]

btw Guys you forgot to mention there is no 1 type of meditations. There is no a meditation. But there are 100s types of meditation so we cannot generalize it. We should be more specific which type is better or worse and for what! I experienced it this way so I think you should know about it!

[@justiceearth9702]

I think the reason why there hasn’t been a huge upsurge of positive compassionate behavior resulting from meditation practice is because the foundational practices of ethics, morality, gratitude, forgiveness, and compassion is not made a priority for most people engaging in meditation. This base focus is so critical for the overall health of the meditator. To go all the way requires mental, physical, and emotional stability.

[@Royalroadtotheunc]

I agree. The secular meditation movement divorced the spiritual and ethical aspects from the meditation practice and this is a *very* incomplete picture.

[@UrsulaPainter]

First lay a foundation, then build the house.

[@joymattson8549]

@@tommybinson Please don't use that hackneyed word, "woke" - what do you even mean by that word? So sick of trendy language that means nothing.

[@glenncornwall4331]

@@joymattson8549 yes, it’s a couch all phrase even though I have used the term also myself but I’m very very particular about using that word and defining it as far as what it actually means for a certain aspect of group or people nonetheless people are innocent.

[@dwijgurram5490]

Following rules is equivalent to mimicking. A dog doesn't become a tiger you put stripes on it. Compassion should come from inside and not out of rules.

[@PuggiTheGreat]

I’m a life long Buddhist, I’m 62, and I think this video is brilliant and covers some very important issues. Thank you. I would add that the practice of contemplative and esoteric traditions has ALWAYS had its dangers of madness and more, people should be made aware of these things and I think the Dark Night Project does some excellent research. Hope she keeps up the good work.

[@kimeikoraevision5446]

@@PuggiTheGreat 👏👏👏👏 so well said. I like it.

[@Themlpg73]

Wow. An actual logical comment on here. In a whole sea of hate and ignorance. Even cultism.

[@woke2woke153]

@@PuggiTheGreat Thank you for your compassionate honesty. What you say here is true. It's not so much meditating that's risky as simply being human. The vast majority of us live in ignorance of true reality, but we can all , even quite spontaneously, get a glimpse of it at any time, and be very destabilised by it. Meditation IS dangerous because it's dealing with that general danger directly. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say it's playing with fire. In my early twenties, I myself descended into a hell of symptoms like those described above, just as a result of reading an astute Buddhist book! So it's not necessarily all about sitting meditation. Insight too can unhinge and unbalance you. I'm 71 now.

[@tcrown3333]

I'm 81 and took Buddhist precepts when I was in my 30s. I meditate daily and try my best to live a considered, mindful life. However, I'm also a licenced psychotherapist with a PhD. in counselling psychology, and I fully agree with this sincere researcher. NOTHING should be too sacred and deemed off limits to enquiry and examination!

[@Dodgerzden]

That's the first thing I thought. And it's not exactly a secret. You see all over the internet that raising your kundalini to fast can lead too psychosis or something that looks like it.

[@hadd5106]

This is interesting. In 1981, when I was doing my undergrad in Religious Studies, I met a Sufi practitioner who warned me that it is possible in mediation to go "so far back into your mind that you get lost and may never find your way out again".

[@josephang9927]

Interesting how many traditional practitioners knew the risks and yet in the West we pretend to know better and deny the downsides.

[@nettewilson5926]

@@hadd5106 wait what?

[@nettewilson5926]

Wait what???

[@jaelepke]

@@josephang9927 In the West it's just treated like yet another snake-oil "wellness" commodity just like yoga has, yet another spiritual practice with inherent risk

[@ufopilotFPV]

I went further than that, waayyy further. Always got pulled right back when needed, never got 'lost' so to speak.

[@evanlfishbein439]

I started meditating every morning for 15 or 20 minutes and it changed my life for the better so much that I can't even put it in words. I quit smoking, took better care of myself, love my family and others more, earned more money, eat healthier, more self-respect, better quality work, etc etc etc

[@marrero667]

⚠️what type of meditation??

[@sophien5416]

Good for your friend. It sounds like your developed a greater alignment with Self. 🙏

[@visam28]

I believe you over this click bait talk most likely sponsored by big pharma

[@GODHATESADOPTION]

Meditation is satanic leads to possession

[@evanlfishbein439]

@@marrero667 I got my start with candle meditation. I'd just light a candle and gaze at it. As time went on I tried other things - observing my thoughts - breathing and body awareness - confronting insecurities or bad memories - visualization and imagination - and just plain relaxing y'all. This is my go to nowadays, I just close my eyes and relax!

[@ChrisM-zv8sp]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧠 *Britton delves into meditation's overlooked negative effects.* 02:57 🛑 *Stigma hinders discussing meditation's downsides openly.* 04:32 💰 *Financial interests obstruct acknowledging meditation risks.* 10:30 🧘‍♂️ *Resistance to discussing risks mirrors other industries.* 14:21 🗣️ *Criticism often accompanies highlighting meditation's drawbacks.* 16:55 🤔 *Simplistic soundbites overlook meditation's complexity.* 20:11 ⚠️ *Negative symptoms of meditation range widely.* 22:02 🧠 *Some experience extreme motivation changes due to meditation.* 22:27 🧘 *Changes in self-perception raise questions about adverse effects.* 23:48 🤔 *Identifying adverse effects involves subjective appraisal.* 25:27 💔 *Suicidal incidents during retreats highlight risks.* 26:47 🌀 *Spiritual beliefs intersect with interpreting mental experiences.* 32:29 🌟 *Seekers often pursue meditation for growth, but interpretations vary.* 35:43 🏥 *Treating adverse effects differs between clinical and esoteric traditions.* 37:06 🔀 *Meditation's dual presentation complicates responses.* 41:12 🔄 *Spiritualization deflects accountability, creating tensions.* 43:58 🧘 *Distinguishing spiritual insights involves ethical complexities.* 45:25 🤔 *Appraisal determines religious or spiritual experiences.* 48:46 🧩 *No single experience defines religiousness or spirituality.* 51:20 📊 *Statistically significant results don't guarantee universal effectiveness.* 53:44 💡 *Hype overshadows nuanced understanding of meditation.* 57:41 🌌 *Expectations of transformative experiences may not align with outcomes.* 01:01:27 💊 *The psychedelic industry faces similar challenges as meditation.* 01:04:12 🚫 *Combining powerful tools can lead to negative outcomes.* 01:05:35 🌟 *Experimentation is valuable, but risks must be assessed.* 01:06:42 💬 *Sam Harris's openness demonstrates rare accountability.* 01:07:37 📉 *Public figures face backlash for highlighting risks.* 01:09:55 🌐 *Acknowledging both positive and negative aspects is crucial.* 01:17:01 🛑 *One in ten may experience adverse effects, highlighting the need for awareness.* 01:19:29 🍫 *Despite risks, meditation is generally worth trying, but data representation should be accurate.*

[@Ocelot1962]

Thank you for this. Scott could learn this. He could also learn not to interrupt his guest when she's sharing important information we need to hear.

[@kcbhushan67]

@@Ocelot1962 Thanks for this accurate and useful summary. But I would urge everyone to listen to the entire video. Especially mediators. If you get irritated or angry with this, please look at that as a learning opportunity. Disclosure: I meditate.

[@Telluride7324]

@@Ocelot1962I wish I could like this 100 times. He does good work but he interrupts far too often. The poor guest had to wait for his long into to even get a word in. This happens in another video where he’s on a screen in screen moment and he can’t keep still or avoid talking over the subject video for more than one second. Quite distracting.

[@stephanieviolette593]

I am a senior who did psychedelics in the 70’s and early 80’s. I loved my experiences. It wasn’t for “fixing” anything, but for the experience itself. It opened my mind and let it rest for the duration of the “trip.” I am referencing LSD. Shrooms were simply a party. I am baffled by those who call it a psychedelic. Leary ruined LSD that had the government decide to make it a schedule 1 drug shutting down research. For those who are missing the point of this discussion by yelling she’s a clinical psychologist and not a neuroscientist, I would suggest googling both and then you’ll feel like an idiot. My life philosophy is moderation in everything and self-reflection/ regulation when embarking on any mental/life journey.

[@mogeaux]

@@stephanieviolette593 I wish I could remember the name of this researcher but I saw him on Rogan. He was German, I think but he did a lot of extensive research about LSD. He wrote a book about exactly why LSD got such a negative rap. While writing his book, his mother developed Alzheimer’s but he was able to procure some LSD and talked his father into seeing if this drug could help her. She took small amounts daily and the results were dramatic. I do not remember the exact reason why it became illegal but it was due to one person and this person was not Timothy Leary. This movement to ban the drug started in Austria or Germany, I think during WWII but if I can find the book, I’ll edit my comment here. I will probably find it if I do a search matching The Joe Rogan podcast and LSD interview. It was a really interesting interview as is this interview.

[@jonnybabich9667]

I have to disagree about the magic mushrooms. That are indeed a psychedelic, trust me on that. You probly never took enuff, 3-5 dried grams are necessary. And if you don't go into it with a party intention, I promise you will see visions that are waaay more deep, vivid, and mind blowing(in a good way) than you could EVER IMAGINE. YOU MUST LAY DOWN WHEN YOU FEEL THEM COMING ON. IN AS DARK A ROOM AS FEELS SAFE FOR YOU. AND THEN CLOSE YOUR EYES. This is a serious endeavor, and I would not joke about such a thing. I can promise you that. Hope you try that someday. Also, check out Terrence McKenna speaking on this topic, I think you would enjoy him. Peace ✌️

[@PompousPicard1]

Leary didn’t ruin anything. If it wasn’t him, it would’ve been someone else. That particular hammer was coming down no matter what. The same thing happened with MDMA, and Leary had no involvement in that at all.

[@rayhaywardtheinspiredteach8246]

Fantastic! As a practitioner and teacher of a few different types of meditation, this has been enlightening and confirming. The best teachers I had taught safety valves and gave warnings and precautions alongside the meditation lessons. Keep up the great work!

[@sgcarney]

You're so welcome!

[@_Erendis]

Where can I find such a teacher or the description of their method, including the 'safety valves' and warnings?

[@rayhaywardtheinspiredteach8246]

@@_Erendis check out books by Mantak Chia and Ken Cohen. And ask any meditation teacher about risks and safety before training.

[@_Erendis]

@@rayhaywardtheinspiredteach8246 Thank you for the recommendations!

[@williamcranstoun9566]

@@_Erendis kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3SreWqBl6d-jLM&ab_channel=ForrestKnutson Forrest teaches a path of Kriya Yoga that holds 3 safety valves.

[@borchelsijles8064]

This makes perfect sense to me. My grandfather told me long ago: "Line between genius and lunatic is very thin."

[@suzanneemerson2625]

That’s ridiculous.

[@WillFinch-k4j]

Describes Elon Musk perfectly.

[@om-boi]

It's spelled 'genius'.

[@borchelsijles8064]

@@om-boi thanks

[@GH-im3lj]

@borchelsijles8064 Grandpa was a genius or lunatic?

[@letsdomath1750]

5:52 It's not hidden. You can ask or read sacred texts. You won't necessarily find the answers in a sterile academic environment nor in peer-reviewed journals if you are among the first Western researchers trying to collect empirical data for publications. 🤔

[@Nikosi9]

There's an old Zen story about two students discussing how spiritually accomplished their respective teachers were. The first student said. "My teacher can draw a picture on a paper which is held by someone across a wide river." The second student said, "Oh, my teacher is much more advanced than that..." "Really? What can he do?", asked the first student. "He eats when he's hungry and sleeps when he's tired!"

[@polymathpark]

underrated comment

[@ElaineThompson]

Everyday mind is why I love Zen.

[@simonspark8314]

Love this, laugh!!

[@vids595]

I must be pretty advanced as well then.

[@djhumanoid]

@@Nikosi9 clear intention, acting wisely , compassionately and skillfully are this practice

[@freethinker79]

The way of ascent is descent. If you don't face your monsters, you become a monster. True meditation is all about confronting your own dark-side/shadow and integrating it in a healthy way. In some circles, this has always been common knowledge.

[@MajICReiki]

This was how I learned of meditation, in the late 90's as a teen. Like this is still urgent news for those who don't know or are unaware, but seems like there is a lot of shock and awe about it now. Like an offense to being left in the dark about something they got intimately involved in, yet didn't uncover all of the ins and outs before becoming fully immersed, and their assumptions of it all being good were shockingly tried and challenged, as they always were going to be had they been instructed accurately. It's like going to a psychologist and expecting to never discuss anything traumatic, then getting furioisly mad, and resentful when crap comes up in a session. 😅 like what did you expect? Oh, that enlightenment is all rainbows and butterflies. That assumption, is ridiculous to me, though I can see why people might make assumptions like they may do before anything they will experience.

[@jenniferdepew8662]

Click bait titles - I bet there aren't really any meditators who want to kill a scientist due to what her findings suggest about meditation. Time wasting title, suggests I shouldn't waste anymore time on it.

[@jenniferdepew8662]

I did continue listening. There are some valid points made and I think I will write a blog and share the concerns and video with my own pile of sciencey caveats.. The title still seems like click bait though.

[@lanatheyogi]

I agree. There’s an arrogance western society has towards the spiritual foundations of all these practices. This arrogance is certainly an immature perspective. But if people want to go at it without the guard rails these traditions provided, they are certainly welcome to figure things out the hard way.

[@sisterdiggins]

@@jenniferdepew8662 right ? This is absurd.

[@goblinsRule]

She is not a neuroscientist, she is a clinical psychologist. And no one wants her gone.

[@rafaelgabrielgarlinidal-bo9496]

nothing in the video title is true 💀👻

[@neuromancer27]

wrong, she has a diploma from Colgate university

[@valentinabell4263]

So you say the threats are fake?

[@LinguisticLifeform]

@@valentinabell4263 no, they are pointing out the clickbait nature of the video title

[@goblinsRule]

@@valentinabell4263 I don't know about the threats, the concept of mindfulness based stress reduction has been successful all throughout the Western world last 30 years, some people associate meditation with eastern culture, and hence the fear and reluctance among conservatives, the science is very clear, meditation and mindfulness helps you in all aspects of mental health recovery, and it's free.

[@brandon5771]

I went through a phase of my life that ended with a year that I was to be incarcerated. I had lost so much and in a tremendous amount of pain, until I taught myself how to meditate. I was able to heal the subconscious drivers that, I didn’t know at the time, had full control over the choices I was making. Today, at times, I find myself wanting to experience the healing I felt and have learned to use this practice as a tool to discover what is governing my thought life.

[@sgcarney]

fantastic.

[@suzanneemerson2625]

One of the three keys to the kingdom of heaven where all things are possible: “Know thyself.” Meditation can be good for that.

[@christinemclatchie]

@@suzanneemerson2625 I’ll correct you, that is not a Biblical principle…

[@rhodarose3451]

​@@christinemclatchieA person who hasn't read and understood the teachings would not know this is in there.

[@thehiddenyogi8557]

@@rhodarose3451 I thought this was a quote of Socrates. Of course, many Christians would think that knowing yourself is the Devil's work! lol.

[@SighDown]

If a person is interested in meditating, please be aware that everyone’s nervous system is different, and therefore, it’s important to find the ideal meditation style for you. Some folks aren’t “built” to just sit still for hours. Others thrive on it. What works for one person will not necessarily work for someone else. However, one of the most powerful ways to do meditation is to seek and sit in silence, ideally outside in nature. There are so many other ways to embrace consciousness, from walking meditation to dancing, to listening to inspiration with headphones on, painting, using affirmations, reading inspiring writings, etc. It’s called finding your “Flow.” Being in a “flow state” is definitely a form of meditation. Anything healthy that will move you out of a “busy” mind state for moments is ideal. You want to be able to subvert the chattering mind, so that you can hear what is really going on deep beneath the surface. Meditation reveals truth, regardless of appearances. Nothing else can do this.

[@Noelciaaa]

very true. i found sitting still just makes me so unbearably itchy it's painful like fire... Quiet walks alone in nature are wayyyyyys better than that. or just lying down in bed and staring at the ceiling. Sitting is sth most of us do for work most of the day anyways, dunno why it would be healthy to do it more. what we lack is MOVEMENT, embodied presence.

[@davidwilliams7552]

Very well said. The people discussing in this video are too much intellectually in their heads and deluded that they can understand everything. They are really criticizing the modern new age movement rather than thw ancient tradition of meditation. It was never meant for the masses or to be marketed.

[@sgayle6689]

I think you might be the first one (and possibly the ONLY one) who has mentioned the nervous system. And embracing consciousness. And subverting the 'chattering mind'. This speaks volumes. No need for me to say more . . .

[@Mary-Mar]

I've been meditating for just over 10 years now. I think Dr. Britton brings up really good points, and most of them are not news to me. I did listen to Tim Ferris' story before my first retreat, and it didn't scare me away from the practice, but prepared me to make sure I am treating myself with kindness and being gentle with myself as I seek to explore my own mind and psyche through mediation. I suppose I am also fortunate that all of my meditation teachers have spoken about these possible negative experiences and how to know when it's too much. I have experienced symptoms such as the hypersensitive senses after a silent retreat, and the very intense thoughts that are down right frightening at times. I remember filling out several pages of mental health history forms before each retreat, and the teachers asking all new students to break their silence for an hour chat to make sure they are doing alright while on retreat. The internal work of meditation is not easy, and I agree that some undiagnosed mental health conditions and past traumas can be triggered by intense meditation, and I really hope folks seek out a professional mental health counselor if/when these really scary thoughts and feelings come up. My therapist has helped process much of what has come up for me in meditation.

[@Elena18907]

@@Mary-Mar What kind of meditation?

[@BayouGrove]

This reminds me of love. It seems to be such a potentially dangerous thing when you look at how devastating break ups are, and even the violence and suicides associated with that. But no one talks about guarding your feelings, and being more pragmatic and cautious with them when it pertains to love, instead it's promoted as this whimsical celebration, something everyone should be so lucky to attain.

[@colinthomson5358]

Plus people may forget about the physical aspects. If meditators also do too much fasting then they are likely to have nutritional deficiencies which will result in... well... insanity!

[@Unit8200-rl8ev]

Most of the major religions have promoted celibacy, with very good reasons for doing so.

[@montysmythe579]

Love is a kind of insanity

[@iamthewelcher]

WOW!! That's an amazing analogy!

[@DanielEndy2]

Excellent analogy!!!

[@MarcelloAntestaco]

I don't see this as a balanced approach, to be honest. I believe that there's a "dark side" to everything and I applaude you for bringing it forward but this whole conversation sounds to me like: "Guy at the gym increased the load too quickly and got hurt hence lifting weights is unhealthy and dangerous". Why don't we talk about how much is too much and how to find out a balanced and healthy approach to things? And psychedelics can change someone's behavior. It's anecdotal but that's exactly what happened to me. Am I someone who can't be recognized by his family anymore? Of course not! But I changed the way I run my business, I became more stable and rational and less impulsive in my decision making. Did it happen overnight? Hell no! Did it take some extra work on my end after the experience? Hell yeah and for months and I don't think I'm done untangling what came up during that experience. But I am having a slightly better life experience thanks to that. And a slightly better life experience compounds over time and becomes something huge in 10 or 20 years. I believe we should allow more people to experience something like this or even just meditation but we need to create spaces where people can do things according to common sense and to the information we have available rather than turning this into a "team A vs. team B" kind of thing. You don't scare people away from physical activity by saying "a lot of people get injured so don't do this" A lot of people get hurt so let's do this right to prevent that.

[@sgcarney]

Actually it has happened overnight. Seen a suicide from this myself.

[@kldimond]

@@sgcarney Oh, you've got an agenda. It was visible right from the start. The 'overnight' you reference--I don't know the case, of course, but given genuine realities--it had many antecedents and those absolutely did not happen overnight. Also, Marcello was discussing his improvement after psychedelics, and you're talking about a bad reaction to ... whatever it was. One doesn't start meditating and 'go crazy' within 24 hours unless one is completely bonkers already. Marcello was right. This is: "Guy at the gym increased the load too quickly and got hurt hence lifting weights is unhealthy and dangerous." He's also right that yours, Carney, is unbalanced coverage.

[@YogaToSamadhi]

This people are just religious fanatics trying to find a niche to become popular. They living Drowning I'm fear and judgment.

[@MajICReiki]

​@@sgcarneyyou're assumption is that they had no prior issues aka "overnight" Any medical understanding how psychosis occurs is a previously unencumbered individual? All "psychotic" breaks had the days and years leading up to it with untold experiencs and POV perceptions, and biological markers leading into a split, or illness, or bad for them medications. This can include the misplaced perception of dissolving of self/ ego, dissassociation from physical reality, or being of a "sound mind". Overnight psychosis to undoing their physical existence just because of mediation seems overly simplified. It shouldn't be shocking to a teacher that some seek meditation from unwittingly ill intentions they already harbor against their own well-being. Many people have told me they are afraid they will lose their 'self' their identity to self if they pursue some of the things I have, because of what their sense/definition of their identity is, and fear of the unknown. They may not have the knowledge or understanding to distinguish the difference between dissolution of self or egoic self, and the misstep of dissassociation from being a self in context of evolving those internal beliefs. If someone approaches meditation as cure to not liking themselves or the world, or their interactions in their lives, without comprehension of states of mind and what serves their highest good, and what is in them just seeking an escape from what they have perceived as unpleasant or traumatic. People can become just as mentally ill being a materialist and overworking, then facing challenges like lose or a sense of failure. What brings someone to that space without interest in seeking support, was already imprinted as an option, and not a deviation from their highest good. The guilt and hurt felt after experiencing a student or colleague losing their life to such a traumatic end, is worthy of investigation and discussion, and the topic needs to be addressed, but you would not have known of this possibility for some had you not experienced that. So I understand the sense of obligation to forewarn. It can be challenging as a guide to understand where every student is coming from internally, especially from their unspoken shadow self.

[@runawaymindrambles]

Great comment! I like where you Manton figuring out how much is too much. It takes work to monitor ourselves.

[@hannibalhills]

Thank you for this brave and important discussion. We should be willing and eager to examine meditation from every angle, perhaps especially the less comfortable ones. That is a key part of a growing maturity in the space. Thank you for the important work you both do in an often-hostile environment.

[@cy4194]

This is really sobering. I've had persistent negative experiences, similar to the milder side of what's described in this video, since beginning breathwork-based meditation. Initially I chalked them up to being either "positives" in disguise (as you discuss), or unrelated to the breathwork. Now I think I understand.

[@lulumoon6942]

There are many different breath work techniques and some aren't for anxious or depressed people. Mantra or focused, like on a candle might be better for you. Techniques are tools and no one is right for everyone. Best to you. 🙏

[@elektrovert]

@@lulumoon6942 100% this! depending on how your anxiety manifests, and the technique you use, breath work can be amazingly helpful or highly triggering. For example if I have a deep, low "vibe" anxiety then "Breath of Fire" is amazing for me, but if It's a high, tingly/spiky anxiety then it'll make it worse.

[@Caitanyadasa108]

In classical yoga breathwork (pranayama) was known to be very powerful and potentially harmful and so was never to be undertaken without an experienced guide. The guide could assess the student in detail and would determine if certain types of breath control were appropriate for a given student.

[@YogaBlissDance]

Thank you. But in the West everyone thinks they can just play with anything with no real knowledge or guidance....it's sad.@@Caitanyadasa108

[@jscire__872]

@@cy4194 Parts work therapy does refer to this phenomenon of people experiencing meditation backlash and essentially facing repressed emotions, survival mechanisms, experiences and it feeling negative and out of control. It’s not always easy to find the kind empathy towards your own experiences that parts work (IFS) aims towards but it is possible to find internal compassion and curiosity towards those feelings/perspectives/thought patterns which parts work calls the different parts of the psyche/brain/nervous system.

[@masiraadmiraal777]

Let's talk about the side effects and down sides of psychology and trauma therapist....😊😉🙃. Nobody talks about this

[@YogaToSamadhi]

Don't, big pharma is watching, all that prescriptions drugs... no! Lol

[@MajICReiki]

Legitimately Bad therapists 100% can make difficult things and trauma responses so much worse. There is only vagueries around how to interview and what to ask to find the right psychologist for each person.

[@sara-bg8ke]

can we add religion to this also, It really depends on how fragile and fragmented the individuals mind is before they start on journey to self discovery.

[@lulumoon6942]

Agreed OP, any path has pitfalls, balance is necessary.

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

Yes a lot of people do talk about it... they call then hacks and we all know it is mostly ineffective for most problems, but it is NOT meditation. If a married couple goes to a "therapist" to solve problems is mostly a waste of time and money, but the question is why?? and that is bc MOST people in ANYYYYY profession ar below average, mediocre, and so they themselves went to school for that but know very little, I saw what sorts of people went into it IN GENERAL at university and it was the ones who could not hack it in the real careers.... but this woman is NOT one of them!! You just don't like what she has to say... I didn't read any actual facts or reasons in your comment, just low key insults that can be thrown at any profession. Whatever it is YOU do in live I bet you most of them aren't worth a sh!t, and those are seldom honest about it. I live in a street or block where for some reason there are lots of primary and secondary school "teachers", I have to interact with them often and most of them just drink to stupor every single week, and when I talk to them I always regret the time wasted bc they are all stupid, AND ignorant, none of them has EVER read a book from beginning to end, they all know al the football players names though, and the NASCAR drivers... but no new learning at all in THEIR FIELDS at all for the past ten years!! So I repeat: this woman is NOTTTT one of those. Even if she admits that the therapy business is a fraud IN GENERAL, that doesn't mean she is one of the below average.

[@letsdomath1750]

4:08 This varies a lot between meditation practices. Meditation is an umbrella term for hundreds of techniques, and they each have different physiological effects. Mindfulness meditations and vipassana tend to agitate me, but yoga nidra cured my grief-based insomnia. Vishoka meditation gets me into deep flow states with insane focus, and while Kirtan Kriya increases the robustness of my memory and can help me fall asleep faster, it reduces my need for sleep. There is no singular style of meditation, and each one has its contraindications. Yoga nidra is not recommended for schizophrenics nor those with epilepsy. The issue is that a lot of this research is being done without nuance considering their vast diversity and without consulting the origins of these traditional practices.

[@antoniocunha3912]

Meditation WORKS. And, like EVERYTHING in this world that works, it is not light at all. And this make it very, very dangerous to some individuals - even among the healthiest of us. It is like taking DMT, even in religous cerimonies. Be careful with your mind.

[@lulumoon6942]

THIS

[@andacomfeeuvou]

👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Skiddoo42]

Understanding how the ego functions is the key to protecting yourself from the darkness. Let's not mystify this. Once you know the voices in your head are not you, you are free... provided you are free of toxic beliefs and the influence of unhinged egotism.

[@theostragonidis7548]

Sure buddy. I know many people who wend mad from meditation ... NOT.

[@lulumoon6942]

@@theostragonidis7548 Anything that has the power to heal also has the potential to harm, including water. While uncommon, there are some that have bad, even dangerous reactions to meditation. ❤️🙏💞

[@newpilgrim]

Your title 'kills me'😆. Yeah, I'm Buddhist, I've been sitting for a couple of decades. Nothing about my practice is designed to make me feel better, but more designed to greet suffering with a little more friendliness :). This is hard core work that I personally couple with the dharma and community. I had an experience that really broke me open on day 6 of a Vipassassana Retreat, but I had been sitting for over 10 years when I went to the retreat, and I had learned about impermanence, etc.....hard to explain. Yes, probably not for everyone. Siddhartha warned about craving experience, the craving state alone can really mess you up during a sit.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

Exactly. Jiddu Krishnamurti said that the moment people are seeking meditation and kundalini for experiencing something extra ordinary, some type of enlightenment etc. then they are obviously not doing this for the right reasons and they are back in the same loop of Samsara, Maya and self deception which is the field of reality and thought.

[@MajICReiki]

Expecting "results" from the unknown is setting parameters, constraints, and conditions on what is allowed to surface during meditation through false expectations. Mental sabotage for the service of ego is ill-effective.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

@@MajICReikiOne can Never expect a result from meditation, occult, ETs or Infinite Cosmos. We can pray for help. But we are not entitled to guaranteed help or goods. Meditation is not mental sabotage. There are many different types of meditation practices. Some focus the mind. Some allow the mind to flow. Mental quietness in nature is highly beneficial for our health. Inwardness meditation helps us to heal.

[@nickidaisydandelion4044]

@MarSarFishin-ws7qk Yes that is the unknown. But we can pray to the Infinite Cosmos to protect us. And we have the luxury to cry things out.

[@jacobb.mathena3271]

You should expect nothing but an impact on what you can't deal with alone. You are all you need just have to silence external forces recognize them and understand don't be moved by them. Meditate on when your body is pressing you and when your mind is pressing you. Often times both are fighting at the same time freaking you out that's when you searched for enlighten ment in the first place.

[@betzabesuarez8586]

Finally l hear someone mentioning the dangers of meditation. My dad used to meditate every night after work( he’d follow different meditation exercises from books, I’m talking about over 30 years ago ) those mental exercises would get more and more complex. My dad was “in a way advanced”He would close his room and in the room there was a candle, with his mind he had to blow out the candleWhen he was able to do that, premonitions started to come to him in his dreams( people that he knew) it was all accidents. He’d dream about how these people would get into accidents ( very detailed). He would tell them to be careful cuz an accident was coming ( he knew the day of the accident because my dad already saw it in his dream)and never believe him, then bam there it was exactly as described. There were so many bad things that my dad was starting not to sleep cuz he was getting afraid of falling asleep. He stopped meditating and eventually those dreams stopped completely. He could astral travel and even performed surgery on himself ( with his mind) this is not B.S. ur mind can do a lot of things, but u need to be careful with meditation. Thx for talking about some of the dangers of meditation.

[@helloitsme7983]

Well. It sounds like fear was actually the problem your father had not his gifts that he uncovered by meditating😊

[@chiricavioleta2450]

My sister is going through this coming from a very strange way of mediation telling us that she can hear voices. I agree with meditation but also I believe when you are obsessed with something too extreme there will be consequences. Balance is the key . I am so glad that I came across this ,now I can advise her and understand her better.

[@Zamal-u1z]

I think that it's necessary to know about the dark entities that influence us and learn to protect ourselves from them as well as get rid of energies that harm us New age teaches all about the perfect life and the guides and all this bs coming from religions and people believe everything is easy and sometimes we are the ones who need to learn to really see Life as it is and then when we meditate we connect to ourselves not any deity outside of us.

[@DeModaHairandMakeUp]

@@betzabesuarez8586 I’ve had these precognitions and I never mediated. I had to switch off in the end like your father as I couldn’t help what disasters I was seeing.

[@Kithsiri-lc9wc]

@@betzabesuarez8586 read the Gothika sutta in the samyutha nikaya I think where many monks committed suicide having done editation wrong .

[@midwinter78]

I have an adage: "if something's strong enough to have beneficial effects, it's strong enough to have side effects".

[@MaxCady969]

spoken like a true prodigy 👌

[@RingOfRae]

Your adage was inferred a long time ago by a dude that goes by the name of Plato. He coined the concept of Pharmakon, which is one of the core concepts of a very interesting philosophical development put together by a very nice guy that used to go by the name of Bernard Stiegler, paix à son âme…

[@kateoneal4215]

Or outright advertise effects.

[@Nikosi9]

@@RingOfRae Sounds homeopathic to me...But, what do I know?

[@bobsterclause342]

this is a good addage you have good enough to just say this and not say anything else i would want to say Im sorry, im keeping it. your welcome.

[@parkerpubs5142]

I am soooo happy to stumble onto this. I've had positive outcomes working with many of these practices. I had NO IDEA abt any of this. 😢

[@pierrex3226]

My good thoughts go towards this lady who's suffering for the benefit of truth and the betterment of society. Most people don't have the strength and courage to stand against the current. So thank you, and be well. And spending time in cabins lost in the woods is awesome.

[@SOMABreath]

Read a book called the Buddha Pill if you haven’t already, it’s goes deep into this stuff. The type of meditation she speaks about if done properly, correct me if I’m wrong, requires a long process of undoing yourself and the results can be quite traumatic for those not ready for such a thing. There are other forms that have some health benefits shown in studies ❤

[@sgcarney]

Her patients come from many different traditions.

[@SOMABreath]

@@sgcarneysounds like she mentions Theravada at the start. Anyways it’s true that pausing the mind for brief period can be triggering for some people, especially in this day and age - the Buddha pill is a great book for more studies and insights into this issue.

[@sgcarney]

@SOMABreath sure. I wrote a book on it, too. “The Enlightenment Trap”

[@SOMABreath]

@@sgcarney I’ll check it out

[@pi47402]

In Samatha meditation, practitioners seeking specific results can often become ensnared in a false sense of emptiness, leading them to withdraw from the real world, and in some cases, this detachment can even result in mental distress. This is why seasoned meditation practitioners and monks advise against relying solely on thought during Samatha meditation, as it can lead to negative consequences. In contrast, Vipassana meditation typically has a milder effect because it involves shifting focus and not concentrating on a single object, thereby continuously changing the meditation focus. However, it's common for many meditators to confuse their practice of Samatha with Vipassana without realizing the difference. This misunderstanding could explain why conversations with the interviewer occur. Moreover, the ancient text Vimuttimagga, written over 2300 years ago, details the suitability of different types of meditation for various individuals. Therefore, before beginning meditation, it's important to educate oneself about the practice. Similar to how one would read about a medication before taking it to treat symptoms, understanding meditation is crucial as it profoundly affects the mind. It's advisable to gain this understanding before engaging in the practice.

[@DrTheRich]

The amount of words you can fill in for X in "X meditation" makes me believe it's all ffing bullshit. Gurus make up their own words and own fantasies just to make money or get fame. Better stay a mile away form it.

[@AaronNel]

Thank you for giving me language to describe some of my struggles. For validating some of my experiences. I am not alone. It's not just me. Thank you.

[@lulumoon6942]

We were screened & warned at the beginning of our 2 Week Silent Vipassana Training that it is not for everyone, and that going within could trigger aberrant reactions. I've since learned that this knowledge is known by traditional Buddhist teachers. Nonetheless, it is part of my vital personal spiritual practice.

[@amandahanisch2446]

Would love someone to simply state this information. What’s the warning? Hyper sensitivity? I understand that, and having hallucinatory experiences. Feeling and seeing energy? Needing to go overcome hard things? Am I missing something?

[@DrTheRich]

@@amandahanisch2446 Psychosis? Suicide? If you don't realize these risks then, yes, you're missing something.

[@stoppit9]

I can't meditate because my mind immediately becomes obsessed with bad things. (As in 'I'm a failure'.) Everyone's brain is different

[@gcaussade]

We live in an era where people just think they can create their own techniques and combining everything without potential risk. I found this really wonderful and hope you can come up with a short version with some of the key points. All these techniques have risks, and it's perfectly normal and healthy to discuss them.

[@sgcarney]

yes indeed.

[@janadixon936]

Meditation is so natural very young children just do it in bed as I did for years. Kundalini awakening can be spontaneous, especially with a trauma background and when on a raw diet as it increases energy/consciousness "flow".

[@thehiddenyogi8557]

@@janadixon936 Interesting that you say that, because if the actual Kundalini traditions of India, and Tummo of Tibet, and according to ayurvedic medicine and Tibetan medicine, while practicing kundalini or tummo, one should increase the richness of the diet, eat plenty of fats (butter is the traditional fat to support kundalini) and lots of protein. Roasted nuts are great. Basically one should eat building foods, not cleansing foods to support kundalini. The raw diet is unbalanced in their view and will lead to a spaced-out mind which cannot tell delusion from reality and will project its delusions onto reality.

[@Nikosi9]

"Every day, in every way, I'm getting better and better!" There you have it! Enjoy!

[@kcbhushan67]

I love the balanced attitude taken by the two people in the podcast. Willoughby was so deliberate and cogent that i wanted to tell Carney, "Don't interrupt, let her speak!!!". I have had difficult experiences with meditation but my conclusion was not to abandon my chosen technique. There are several important omissions in this discussion that i wish to write about. Will write that doon.

[@provocativehypnosis843]

Thanks you Willoughby Britton for the work that you do. Much respect to both of you for having this coversation. I would appreciate you guys having more in depth convrsations on this topic.

[@sgcarney]

I do have an idea for a follow up.

[@provocativehypnosis843]

@@sgcarney the topic of the self illusion would be an interesting one

[@masiraadmiraal777]

I once read an article of a psychiatrist 'helping' people who had experienced fear during meditation. Something that's happens to everyone, but according to him, this was bad and he saved them😂. I guess, what people should know when they start meditating is that it's not something that is going to make you zen during the practice most of the time, emotion are normal, they will be experienced, that's means you're doing it right,no need for pills with a lot of side effects to suppress these human emotions. If you don't want to face fear, anger or whatever, don't start meditating. If you think, pain, fear, anger etc is a side effect, don't start meditating. I never experience sleep problems,but i know most people simply need less sleep when they meditate a lot. I never heard someone who actually experienced this as a side effect. Also, meditation wasn't developed to support they Psychology industry. They don't get it and make their own methods.....

[@titussteenhuisen8864]

Lower emotions need to be controlled I don’t accept them as normal. I want to leave the world better than when I was born less anger and less fear should be a good start.

[@chinausestiktoktohurtyourkids]

If that is how you feel, don't start meditating @@titussteenhuisen8864

[@thehiddenyogi8557]

The way she describes negative side-effects of meditation it sounds like she would consider enlightenment a negative side-effect. I watched one interview with her where she said that she was a 'secular buddhist' and that any experiences that don't match with her worldview are negative experiences. Past life memories? Delusions.... negative side-effect.

[@TheRealSteveMay]

@@titussteenhuisen8864 there are no lower emotions. Emotions are just sensory information. Anger and fear serve you just as your sense of pain serves you when you touch something sharp. They alert you to potential hazards you should be aware of. You aren't supposed to be a dead fish getting pulled by the current, you're supposed to navigate the current. You're a steward, not a subject, that's why you have intelligence. Discernment isn't a vice, the lack of it is. Fear and anger can alert you to situations that call for discernment.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

​@@thehiddenyogi8557 She said that it's difficult to put the label on someone's experience. For one person the hipersensitivity is something great. You see vibrant colours, you hear your own heart beating... For others the same experiences are horrible. They can't go back to work and raise their children because everything is too loud Not everyone wants enlinghtement

[@21Diddley]

I had a strong but very temporary reaction to mindfulness the first time I tried it and realised that negative reactions are more than likely if you're already going through a difficult time. I've never bothered with it since, so it's helpful to know that there are unsaid factors to meditation that should be more widely known. Thank you for exposing this. I'm also conscious of a You Tuber called Lee who committed suicide some years ago after a couple of years battling with depression. Her mental health issues started after going on a retreat in Central America. There were no doubt other factors but it was definitely a trigger for her. Please keep up the good work.

[@daniloveherbro]

@21Diddley I've known a lot of people to go on those retreats. Some come back the same, but the vast majority do not. I have spoken to them about their experiences, and a lot of times, it is straight-up cultist abuse. They limit their sleep and food, they must spend hours meditating, they often don't really have much personal space or time alone, and they usually also have to spend hours doing manual labor as a form penance for their previous life. It's terrifying. They speak about it as if they'd just had the most spiritually enriching experience and I just stand there like 😟😳☹️ baby you're a victim

[@marianhunt8899]

​@@daniloveherbro💯

[@KMoscRD]

well because Yogis are manipulative, going into traumas, playing with minds and saiying that they know the way, they don't know. Breathing is not owned neither by Hof or yoga studios.

[@_.-c]

Yoga and meditation can never be branded. But that's what people are doing.

[@santtukantsila8669]

Points research found: 1. Reduces the sleep you get 2. Makes you lose thought forms 3. Makes you hypersensitive to your senses 4. Emotional oversensitivity or emotional blunting 5. Tics 6. Energy like somantic experiences that lowkey disables you to work or very annoying feeling 7. Connotative : Changes in motivation such as getting a tattoo or going to long spiritual trips or lose all motivation and decide to just sit for years. 8. Sense of self Often loss of sense of self (ego death, ego disillusion)

[@CaldonianBoar]

The West considers those bugs, the East considers them features.

[@CaldonianBoar]

The West considers those bugs, the East considers them features.

[@freethinker79]

"Doing nothing is better than being busy doing nothing" --Lao Tzu

[@iachtulhu1420]

@@CaldonianBoar Not "The East" as such, only renunciate class of monks and theologists. Professional teachers that live such live of self-denial. 99% of Buddhist world never meditated in 2500 years of Buddhist history. It's a well documented fact. This meditation obsession history-wise is very recent. Ask your average Nepalese, Chinese or Thai Buddhist how much they meditate.

[@melissaberman8244]

Meditation has been so “promoted” in my life time, that I have secretly felt “bad” about myself for years because I have never been able to do it properly. I always thought that I was just missing out on something great, b/c I failed to do this simply practice for myself. This is the first time I have ever heard anything about negative side effects. Very interesting. Thank you for sharing. 🙏

[@ediebug4757]

It's completely normal to have a hard time meditating... especially in the beginning. I've done it off and on for years but if I go a long time without doing it I will have a hard time getting back into it. Sorry it made you feel bad about yourself, someone should have told you it was normal and results are different for everyone

[@helloitsme7983]

Well it looks like one of your issues is craving approval from others

[@keithhunt5328]

@@helloitsme7983 lol

[@shereenacraig4384]

Omg, I’m so happy I came across this vital information 🙏🏽 I’ve only started hearing about bad side effects of medication & I’ve been meditating for over 10 years & watching the industry become just another money maker😢 I teach meditation myself always sober. I teach my students how to manage their own energetic systems and I do assist them with reiki too. I encourage counselling because dealing with our past traumas & abuses is extremely difficult as I know personally and it takes years of working on the self healing process. That being said, I do do a little plant medicine personally on occasion. A little weed and a journeying experience allowing me to totally release control and allow for the subconscious mind to surface highlighting what needs my attention. I do this occasionally for my own personal development. I don’t recommend it to my students. I do believe this information needs to be shared with everyone❣️There’s always pro & cons to everything 👍🏽 thank you for your years of amazing work to bring this truth to light ❤

[@mariocean808]

I'm very happy with my meditation practice. I guess it's similar to how people have different reactions to medicine.

[@sgcarney]

Exactly her point.

[@DrTheRich]

But medicine has to include a legal warning label of side effects and risks. Many meditations come without any.

[@Fernandez721]

When I started meditating I felt palpitations, had insomnia, and occasional crises of ego dissolution, a type of death. I received no instruction about this. But I didn't give up, and today I'm fine. I've been practicing meditation for 16 years.

[@lawannawhiten3363]

OH AND SCOTT your delivery was great both did well very educational and positive energy exchange and efforts to get this out has not gone unnoticed glad to spread the word share and educate!

[@sgcarney]

Thank you kindly!

[@mdbosley]

To blame psychosis on meditation is like blaming a messy room on the light which revealed it... The mess is there whether the light is on or not.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

In exceptional cases, it seems that mental disorders can be exacerbated by various practices, such as meditation. This should surprise no one.

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@chenath9582 Agreed. If it isn't present in any form, meditation won't cause it.

[@CariMachet]

This all seems very stuck in the western ideology of exchange relationships > what do I get instead of the ideoof being of service to life itself

[@jessicaf6358]

@l.w.paradis2108 You don't actually know that for certain; you WANT to believe that. "Knowing" via data versus "wanting to believe something can/can't happen" are 2 very different things. You're also implying that the people (who experienced psychosis from meditation)'s NATURAL state IS psychosis and that the meditation simply knocked away/turned off... what? suppression-like survival tactics so that the psychosis wouldn't "come out" under everyday conditions? If that's even the case, how can we be certain that all/most people's "natural state" is NOT psychosis, as well?

[@l.w.paradis2108]

@@jessicaf6358 You may be right. In medicine, always and never are exceedingly rare. If we aren't in the medical field, we probably won't see a rarity.

[@urflamme]

Thank you, thank you for putting this out. I was deep into Vajrayana Buddhism for 15 years - I explored every form of cognitive dissonance possible to explain away all the negative things I saw during this time. There’s aways two sides to every story - this is an essential part of the truth about intense meditation practice.

[@bryandraughn9830]

Reading some of these comments, im seeing some examples of the pushback. People are saying that you are saying things that you didn't say. Others are attacking psychiatry, for some reason. There's a lot of anger against a scientist doing science. A popular trend. I've been interested in meditation for a very long time and I'm always eager to learn. Thank you for contributing and helping me to understand more about the subject.

[@sgcarney]

Yes it’s fascinating isn’t it? Commenters seem to come from other planets sometimes.

[@kristinabliss]

The same thing could be said about falling in love. Altered state comes to a close and some people get stuck in the dissolved state. I guess the lesson of non attachment is relevant here. Keep flowing. Keep grounding. Accept what is.

[@adelaidetomsic1038]

Psychedelics are very much like meditation in that the effects can be positive or negative and it’s all subjective. I know plenty of people who have found shrooms to be great for their mental/ spiritual health. For me, I’m just plunged into a depression for a few months where every single aspect of my life feels wrong. I feel like I need to scrap everything in my life, runaway and start anew. After a while the feeling fades and I’ll realize that I’m actually generally satisfied but it’s not a good mindset to be plunged into. Some people would argue that maybe it’s good to be forced to reevaluate your life and circumstances and make changes. This may be true but it’s pathological when EVERYTHING needs to change and you loose a sense of contentment and security.

[@damoncraig6671]

My journey is more positive than negative I’m not forcing it like I was at the beginning but my life has changed love myself and keep it positive still working on the present moment it’s amazing I liked your guest and you thank you

[@JH-su3rn]

Thank you Scott and Willoughby for highlighting this - I had an adverse reaction to meditation and it’s good know I’m not alone in this. Psychologically speaking, meditation took me to a very dark place so I had to stop. I experienced emotional abuse and neglect as a child and I think that meditation might not be suitable for people with some types of trauma. Thank you again for highlighting something that is little known about.

[@newpilgrim]

@JH-su3m, yes, I too had a lot of childhood trauma to sort through. I don't know that meditation alone would have helped without the other 2 legs of the Buddhist stool.

[@IronX77]

I'm very sorry to hear about your experience. 100% this should be more openly discussed. There is trauma informed meditation techniques, but sadly this isn't well known. I hope you are able to find trauma therapies that are helpful to you. 🤗

[@misterpibb108]

​@@perprerpAmen!!!

[@sonja7halcyon]

@@perprerp Lovely bit of victim shaming and gaslighting going on there! She never said she wanted to go to la la land. She experienced neglect which is abandonment trauma. Meditation is the worst activity for anyone with abandonment trauma, it's actually a trigger for it. This type of trauma is best worked out with a professional trauma therapist in a safe therapeutic relationship over a long period of time.

[@sonja7halcyon]

100% meditation is not suitable for some types of trauma - specifically neglect or abandonment trauma. Kudos for stopping and taking good care of yourself. I experienced same. Only a professionally trained trauma psychotherapist was able to help me with my trauma, meditation was only retraumatising me.

[@drSamovar]

"Some people seek out meditation to escape facing their OWN dark side." boom....there it is....

[@danmur2797]

@@drSamovar No, it has nothing to do with this

[@wpridgen4853]

The thing is, when one meditates they are holding the light to their own shadow.. there's no way for someone to lie their way out of it, the more they try, the worse it gets. I'm struggling to get through this because the pros are literally the cons. I think the disconnect happens in the Western mind because in the West we are so used to "othering" that we don't realize we are doing it so when we step to the precipice of unity we are mentally unprepared for what unification is. It seems it would be best for adult newbs from the West to start with a Western Tradition before trying to process what it means to "experience this moment with an eye towards extinction." Maybe start with some Jung or Meister Eckhart.. Even then a lot of people would be pissed when they experience dissolution or a dark night of the soul.. In the end a Guru will always be someone whose job is to tell you lies until you're able to find the truth on your own..

[@rafaelgabrielgarlinidal-bo9496]

people can't even effing agree in what meditation is, that's the problem! There are many things someone can do while sitting still.

[@freethinker79]

If they meditate seriously for long enough, they will eventually meet their own Shadow. There simply isn't any avoiding it.

[@henryb6009]

And when they face it, they don't realise it and think it's an adverse effect of meditation... Meditation (at least vipassana meditation) is supposed to help you face your dark side.

[@livelife5947]

Everyone assumes that meditation = relaxation, *It doesn’t* Every serious meditator knows this. It’s a deep dive into self that 99.9% of the public could not handle.

[@RomasKalash]

@@solarydays You are describing contemplation. 'Meditation' and sitting practice usually has no focus on thoughts. They're irrelevant.

[@RomasKalash]

@@solarydays If you read carefully what I wrote, I said nothing about not thinking. I said no focus on thought. Thoughts never really go unless entering a state like dhyana. Instead the object of attention becomes something else, such as filling the entire body with the mind and becoming more and more deeply aware of that.

[@RomasKalash]

@@solarydays How do you do what if you don't pay attention to thoughts? Focus somewhere else? The mind is like a fluid and it can be moved throughout the body. It takes time to learn how to get it to absorb deeply into it though, as if it were water into a sponge. Most people spend their lives developing thought and intellect and emotional preferences without expanding their awareness into the rest of the body. That is probably why you think there is only thoughts in the head. There is more than that. What does one become more aware of? That's multifaceted and a can of worms. If one does certain sitting and breathing practices, it is Qi that one becomes aware of. The thing is, sadhana and other forms of practice are what people used to point to when they mentioned "meditation". These are linear paths of self development and expanding internal awareness and transformation. People mention meditation now and think it is being calm and breathing calmly. That's not it. That's literally being calm and breathing calmly.

[@RomasKalash]

@@solarydays It may be more useful to set aside the idea of the brain. We are not our brain - we are our entire body, and all the stimulus that is being experienced and interpreted by it often begins to shape our body when we fixate and over-analyse it. Thoughts are like seeds. The thoughts arise, but they require the watering of attention to germinate into thought-streams empowered by emotions which live in the body. When this happens, they perpetuate emotional tendencies in a feedback loop. It's no wonder either - we live in a world with so much information now that we always engage with thoughts, and as such we are perhaps less free than ever and more manipulated than ever. I am saying that awareness can be developed beyond identifying with thought and thought streams. There are methods to develop awareness of the rest of ourselves and take us outside of being so thought-centered. Some of these methods involve breathing regulation and so on, but they belong to complete systems that involve healthy living in many ways. I don't think there's much of a shot at this if one isn't physically healthy, because then resting the awareness in the body would be a terribly uncomfortable place to be - and THAT is sometimes why 'meditation' is dangerous. More like a rude awakening.

[@RomasKalash]

I appreciate that you're being inquisitive about it @@solarydays Something such as abdominal breathing and anchoring the breath, and keeping the attention on doing that is an introductory level form of breathing practice that is pretty harmless and good for regulating the nervous system. Thoughts arise, the awareness can be felt going back up to the head, but just as well it can be brought back down into the abdominal cavity. Like anything, it's a skill and requires practice.

[@williamcranstoun9566]

I have been meditating for 40 years because I enjoy it., not overdoing it. I practice tai chi and have been in the construction trades for as much time. Want to practice mindfulness? Run power tools all day and still have your fingers after many years in the trades? Have a family and practice compassion for your spouse and kids.

[@arthurbarney3309]

I can relate...I heat with wood so have many hours operating a chain saw.....I have often thought it shares many elements with tai chi......live in the now moment ...pay attention to what you are doing in the present...very relaxing and enjoyable...not rocket science ...I focus on breathing when taking a work break or drifting to sleep.....can't see much harm in that

[@cjk8249]

Been working with power tools over 45 years. Hate and remove table saw and miter saw saftey attchments. Never even knicked a finger and never practiced chi or whatever a minute of my life. Do love my wife and five kids though.

[@Noelciaaa]

Very true. Working with your hands, and the kind that requires absolute attention does exactly that, best kind of meditation. I paint with ink for that reason because there is no undoing brush strokes, you have to be absolutely focused to make clean lines.

[@alexpatyababa5221]

Great conversation, thank ya'll! Wow as somebody who has spent a lot of time with buddhists, weirdly all this reminds me of the modern fitness industry, people want a quick fix, they want 6 min abs, they want to spend money on a retreat to "elevate" themselves often without doing any research. As Mrs. Britton says, we should believe in facts, not what we want to believe.

[@sonja7halcyon]

The problem I see with the Western mindset is we've become very comfortable in our easy and relatively safe lives, with liability insurance, control and certainty. So when we have a few problems in our lives we project that mindset onto meditation, breathwork, psychedelics or what have you, expecting whatever it is we put our faith in to be the magic pill that cures all, or the one thing that will always work for us no matter what, needing that one thing we can rely on, that certainty that is essentially the great illusion created by our comfortable societies. Unresolved trauma also leads to a need for certainty and control. If your meditation practice is doing it's job you should be able to make peace with the uncertainty and entertain the idea that meditation is not perfect, not always reliable, and could very well lead you to a psychotic break at some point. If not, it's likely then that you haven't been meditating at all. You've likely forced yourself to sit with something painful without the proper support of a trauma therapist, flooded your system, went numb and have been sitting in a dissociated state, indulging in delusional fantasies that you are meditating while actually spiritually bypassing and avoiding your stuff, as a reactive protection mechanism. And no judgement in that, the psyche will do what it needs to keep itself safe, but, without the awareness of what's happening you'll be stuck there for quite a while. You've been using your meditation to control your life, not to make peace with the truth of your lack of control of your life. This is why many Buddhists get really aggressive and protective of their precious meditation because they've built a whole trauma personality and identity around the very thing they use to avoid their trauma, you attack it, you attack them. They haven't actually done any work at all they're just dissociating! All of the negative side-effects that Willoughby mentioned sounded like trauma responses to me. Dr. Stephen Porges Polyvagal Theory and his youtube video interview where he brings spirituality into it can help explain this. I think more people are entering into spiritual fantasies than having spiritual experiences as a way of avoiding pain they're not yet ready to feel. Forcing someone to, or convincing someone that it's healing, to "sit with their shit" in the name of meditation is damaging. After 15+ years of meditation and all sorts of new age techniques the only thing that worked for me was professional trauma psychotherapy through somatic experiencing and polyvagal framing. Until I learned how to track my nervous system I had no idea that everything I was doing beforehand was subtly retraumatising me. The most painful trauma is abandonment trauma, and it can only be healed in a safe, therapeutic relationship where there has been enough time to build trust slowly. Forcing yourself to trust a meditation teacher because they have 5 stars online, or to sit in a large room with a bunch of strangers you've never met before and try to hold your pain on your own can be extremely retraumatising and overwhelming for people with abandonment trauma. It actually becomes a form of punishment we choose unconsciously, thereby replaying our trauma unbeknownst to ourselves. How many of us were sent away to sit in a corner alone as a punishment when we were kids? How many of us were abandoned or neglected left to handle our own emotions alone? How many of us were exiled to a silent room as punishment? "You go away now and think about what you've done!" Often we don't even know what we've done wrong and nobdy will tell us, so we come to believe we are inherently "bad", inherently "wrong". Meditation and meditation retreats are just a more adult form of self-punishment. "I must heal! I must fix! There is something wrong with me!" No wonder most people dissociate. Are your thoughts really going away or are you drifting further from yourself, leaving your body as a trauma response? Are you having an ego death or are you experiencing depersonalisation?

[@lizanmac]

I found this the most helpful responseon it - your experience shines through - thank you so much for sharing :) x

[@joeolson6085]

You are not really mediating then

[@plaiche]

Yes. Its a broad take that lacks context. So broad its almost like cataloguing all of the ailments seen in a hospital setting and demonizing the hospital (which as I wrote that, would likely show more validity). We are a sick society psychologically and physically, and it stands to reason that many practices might illuminate all manner of these sicknesses and how they process in altered states that reduce or potentially eliminate all of our coping mechanisms. I have no issue with highlighting that meditation is not any kind of magic bullet, and that if not undertaken with some kind of guidance, self awareness or mindset that it is a path not a destination, it can open up all sorts of difficulties and exacerbate desperation, but without the foundational beginning state baseline being articulated, this is guilty of laying blame on practices that are far more authentic then drugs or other ways we try to put band aids on our epidemic level issues at a society level. And as others have pointed out, bad actors (like bad doctors or therapists) are a very different thing than bad practices. Overall, a weird listen although not devoid of any value.

[@TheDragonRelic]

There’s meditation used as escapism. And there actually doing the work and healing. There’s facing your traumas in meditation, and there’s retraumatizing yourself because you wanted to “overcome” them

[@Walklikeaduck111]

Well said

[@darylgholson1754]

The only darkside of meditation for me is when my eyes are closed.

[@marciaeveline]

@@darylgholson1754 that’s perfect 🤣 thanks for that

[@GH-im3lj]

@darylgholson1754 Hahahahahahaha!!

[@dontbeaslavetothealgorithm]

Anecdotal

[@margiecallahan3009]

I practiced TM 2x/d for 4 years in the '70's. Colors became brighter, thoughts were clear. I needed to divorce my narcissistic husband and unfortunately a therapist told me to stop meditating so I could get angry enough. It worked but when I started meditating again I never could get back to the depth I had. I since had chronic fatigue which only discovered this year 2024 at age 71 that my symptoms are caused by Ehlers-Danlos, an inherited connective tissue disease. I miss what those 4 years did for me. But for the crappy husband/father of my children, those years were my personal best and I would have handled my divorce much better if I had continued with TM. Ps. I went from sleeping well to chronic insomnia for 4 decades, which is better since understanding my disease and listening to my body instead of parroting the doctors who said my chronic fatigue was "in my head."

[@glicmathan1771]

Great conversation! There are a lot of ways to “meditate” throughout the day. I’ve always been skeptical of organized, dogmatic groups all claiming to practice the “correct way.”

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

I dont remember anything about writing hate mail in Buddha's teachings. I'm afraid those hater Buddhists are likely teenager wannabes admiring Buddhism because it's exotic, while not having the first idea what it actually teaches

[@lulumoon6942]

Unfortunately, a hallmark of all religion.

[@ElaineThompson]

I love that you are looking into differences between techniques. Meditation has been ill-defined in a lot of peer-reviewed papers I've looked at and even misconstrued to include mindfulness during everyday activities. fMRI has different signals from different techniques, though sample sizes are small and fMRI interpretation is fraught. There are teachers like Joko Beck and Loch Kelly who have alluded to problems with focusing techniques that are less common in open monitoring "everyday mind" style practice. I'll look forward to hearing more about your and your colleagues' research and it's good to know about Cheetah House if I run across anyone in my sangha who is having issues.

[@Antonella0187]

SCOTT: The eightfold path of yoga stages begins with ethical principles (Yama and Niyama), progresses through postures (Asanas) and breath control (Pranayama), before moving onto sensory withdrawal (Pratyahara), concentration (Dharana), meditation (Dhyana) and finally culminating in deep absorption (Samadhi). I am baffled at this because we I mean all yoga practitioners and teachers were warned at least 30 years ago about the phenomenon experienced by meditation practitioners. In yoga you can’t pull one step out of the eightfold path and expect a benefit. Scott I am surprised you as an India journeyman never mentions this. Yes we all spoke about straight meditation as practiced by Buddha aka Buddhists as problematic because it doesn’t not flow with the Eightfold path of yoga. I have never had an adverse experience. Yes I have had many experiences. But I know from my grounding in good teachers that it’s just an experience etc. keep moving forward. Yes by the way I always notified my students to make sure they are grounded before getting in the car and driving. I also offered them tea or a snack before exiting the room. Ignorance is the problem and greed of the commercial industry. No the Buddha did not correct himself. He pulled a practice out of yoga tradition and tried to teach it to the masses. He didn’t come to meditation purely. The Buddha practiced yoga before ending in meditation and enlightenment. Please go back a little bit further into the tradition and explain the issue properly instead of couching it some mystery or science. Thanks Antonella

[@sgcarney]

Thanks for your thoughts. My only comment here is that the Buddha definitely DID correct himself when 500 monks were murdered/died on one of his retreats. Here's a link to another show I did on that specific event. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWm5gotnjpeShck

[@Antonella0187]

@@sgcarney Scott yes he corrects a specific problem he experienced. But I am sorry I dare say the Buddha was also warned by numerous yoga gurus of his time not to just teach pure meditation. This continues to be the problem. And now the political correct crowd does not want to insult Buddhism . If you plop yourself down in meditation with no prior preparation including your nervous system and body but not exclusively. You are guaranteed to have a disastrous experience at some point. Scott where does it say that practicing any type of yoga or meditation is going to turn you into a so called better person. This is a delusional idea that western teachers promulgated. Thanks

[@FringeWizard2]

What books should I read on this? I like William Walker Atkinson and Swami Vivekananda. Are there people that do these things but here in Canada? I have to do everything on my own.

[@crisrobles3425]

Spot on. Like in the Tree of Life of Kabbalah (Qabalah), if you don’t unite the whole “puzzle” together, just picking a few here and there, it simply won’t work out, and you’ll be left feeling disillusioned. Ignorance truly is the root of all these problems.

[@YogaToSamadhi]

Fantastically said. Bravo, this 2 are spouting ignorance, yoga burns down this type of ignorance but they are to afraid to do the work and way to comfortably in the illusion...

[@hineinindeinsein3362]

Yes, she is talking of extremes. A friend of mine brought me to a weekend with a guru and I cried and did't join with what their were doing, I was only watching and months later I was introduced to the facts of narcissistic leaders.They make retreats instead of healing their trauma, the students as well as the teachers. We all have some sort of trauma. As long as we haven't dealt with it, any meditations are more damaging than helping. Meditation is not for everybody. Ask: Does meditation supports my coping strategies like denying, isolation, not connecting to others or does it help me to reconnect to myself? If you regulate your nervous system first and you meditate afterwards then you have a different outcome. But only after healing most of your trauma and not more than 30 minutes a day. I am an energy healer (no reiki), but I also learnt a lot about trauma, because you have to understand, change energetically, you have to change your behaviour patterns and reflect a lot.

[@sonja7halcyon]

Yup! Meditation was retraumatising for me. After trauma therapy I found dancing, drumming and movement techniques to be the best way for me to regulate, process and find balance.

[@TheDragonRelic]

@@hineinindeinsein3362 what about meditating to meet your shadow and flaws

[@hineinindeinsein3362]

@@TheDragonRelic You don't need to meditate. Just ask a good friend or family member about your flaws. And look what flaws you find in other people. And I know a good excercise like EMDR to transform the shadows and flaws.

[@TheDragonRelic]

@@hineinindeinsein3362 what if they’re not honest with me and like to lie or bully me lol? I don’t really trust them. They hurt me lolZ

[@markandrews6666]

35 years in as a meditator, started to manage stress more positively I.e. less drinking and smoking. Now am in for the long haul, because unless you examine what goes through mind you are just like any other animal a slave to your emotions, thoughts and desires. I still am, but a much happier slave😀. If you don’t want to become an internal cosmonaut, fine. There wasn’t much mention of percentages of positive verses negative affects,but get the study is about negative affects.All I would say is sometimes it boring but often for me it is the most amazing experience you can have. Calming the mind to a state of no thought is good, we live in’s world where our attention is stolen all the time, breaking out of that has a cumulative affect, if you can put the time in is fantastic. It’s not all negative.

[@tinkerbellbetty]

New age movement is full of toxic positivity bull

[@justbeegreen]

Amen.

[@DrTheRich]

This. If you end up suffering from it, they leave you in the dust, because you're bringing too much "negative energy"

[@marianhunt8899]

​@@DrTheRichLike all religion's, when you really need them they have no answers. They're only a fair weathered friend. When the going gets tough, you'll be dumped by them.

[@BETHEMIND.]

“YOU HAVE TO GROW FROM THE INSIDE OUT. NONE CAN TEACH YOU, NONE CAN MAKE YOU SPIRITUAL. THERE IS NO TEACHER BUT YOUR OWN SOUL. 🙏🏻🌑🌞

[@mazinausmlj]

Totally agree.

[@RedWordsFirst]

She is talking about extreme forms of meditation, but by not specifying, she is damaging reasonable mindfulness meditation which is what many people attribute to changing their lives for the better.

[@meredithanthraxelrod]

I love you guys. Thank you for being skeptical. You know who finds meditation really aversive? Robert Sapolsky. He said so in a recent interview. He said it like his personality was wrong for it; he wasn’t speaking out against it. But I’d love to hear more about why he said that.

[@sonja7halcyon]

Yes some people find stillness of mind, or relief from overactive thoughts, from being physically active or engaging in art and music. Sitting still can make some peoples mind overactive, common for people with ADHD and certain types of trauma.

[@allisonleighandrews8495]

His work is awesome ❤

[@NarrowboatWill]

When I got into meditation it was great but after a while i felt aggitated and i was having weird experiences like dark energies watching me. I started to feel hot and cold spots. I could see energy streams. I've stopped. I didn't feel good basically. I think we open ourselves up to all kinds of energies. Some not so good.

[@suzanneemerson2625]

You never learned how to control your experience. Spiritual teachers don’t want to teach you that control because they want you dependent on them. You can’t learn that control when you are learning on your own. You need individualized instruction. I’m sad for you. You opened yourself up and got slammed by forces you couldn’t see and were not aware of. They’re not malevolent, just too strong for you right now. I hope you find what you need. You have a great life ahead of you when you do.

[@dionysusnow]

Sounds like your imagination ran away from you. We have no shame in admitting optical illusions but other perception and thought illusions are just as common. acknowledge the sensations and thoughts and let them come and go.

[@TheDragonRelic]

That’s your shadow. Face your shadow.

[@Daoland-Everywhere]

As a professional meditation teacher, it is clear to me that 90% of mediators do not understand the purpose of meditation. Scientists have reinvented meditation in cooperation with amateur teachers. Proper meditation brings people away from the normal. It also let's you pass past the risk for psychosis. Because teachers, scientists and media have no clue and generalize meditation due to their superficial experience a grand misunderstanding is generated. Meditation is a lifestyle and not particular easy. Proper guidance can help the practioners all the guaranteed hindrances. If you want more information on this do not hesitate to ask, since both of you have clearly not had good introduction.

[@Grassland-ix7mu]

You just basically said that people don’t know what they are talking about, they are deceived, but you won’t give them the answers unless they message you. Clearly a sales tactic

[@iPayElite]

Maybe. Or maybe they shared as much as they are going to share until somebody asks a question.

[@ClubuldeEngleza]

Being silent is dangerous? It takes a bit of self-discipline to be able to meditate. We should be more specific about what type of meditation has risks. You can meditate while walking in the park if you want. Obviously, meditation is not for everyone.

[@estherechardt15]

Hi, when I first started researching meditation, I watched an interview with a very well known guru. He made it clear that the West is not mentally mature enough to cope with the entire experience of meditation, and therefore were originally only taught the 'relaxation" sort of meditation...ie during the Beetles period. Unfortunately, wont define parameter there, western people, needlessly have the drive to monetise everything... and made it something rich housewives do basically and therefore the essence of the practise was lost. The essence being the pineal gland, kundalini, letting go of the self etc etc... Most people dont even have the courage to face their traumas, not to mention those that have blocked the memory, then in their ignorance run into the "practise" with eyes wide shut... I was a aware I would face "my demons", etc etc, also thought I was on the path of healing, to only sort of highlight all the facets of your trauma by showing you exactly how in-depth all the fingers of my trauma basically was managing my life, which left me at a loss as to how to even start the healing while dealing with all my newly labelled, which I obviously wasn't even aware of...ie how we deflect due to this trauma but shown to be so involved in my daily actions, I had and still have no idea how to step into my "enlightened self" and filled with love 24/7, but still trying to unentangle myself from self sabotage on levels that blew my mind... I keep hearing that these people are healed from their trauma so much so, that they live super blessed lives thereafter.... which for the person seeking a less painful existence and bliss, will most likely just revert to a more damaged version of themselves, especially because of the fact that you do withdraw from mainstream life. So yeah one huge catch 22. Ps...religion just requires complaisant followers, where enlightenment is supposed to be like a rebirth..... Watching documentaries from the 40's... all honestly western culture is exactly not that, there was no culture, just a Walt Disney happy Sunday afternoon movie... a whole lot of empty bullshit that we formed values around.... Sorry, I will shut up now.... yeah, I get so freaked out by everything, I just cant be in company anymore... people think im crazy and super weird.... I do feel peoples vibrations now in a weird way, I feel them, know what is causing them pain...not as cool as I thought it would be.... cheers, goodbye from South Africa

[@TheDragonRelic]

I wanna read more. Especially about facing your shadows and overcoming them.

[@jaelepke]

Fully agree about the West not having a genuine cohesive culture & being steeped in a lot of corporate Fantasyland stuff, it makes me feel like I'm losing my mind daily but even facing my worst traumas & fears in meditation is better than accepting all of that as reality. I don't even talk about it much w other western Buddhists & definitely not "new age" people, they often truly don't understand what I'm doing or thinking & clearly just want to escape into a different delusion rather than face reality head-on. It's a v difficult & lonely journey that should be taken on w caution, ty for your thoughts on it

[@francisnopantses1108]

Yeah okay bruh, plenty of yoga and meditation grifters were born in Asia.

[@LawrenceCarroll1234]

This is excellent! I’m so glad that there are intelligent, respectful, objective individuals out there (like these two!) who bring up the phenomena in the “enlightenment industry“ where the limitations and downsides and outright suppression of certain negatives in meditation practices is widespread. I also love the way it is compared to the same scandalous secrecy in the big-business world. It is why I always liked the story of Krishnamurti and his famous break from the Theosophical Society as his friend, Mary Lutyens, related in her biography of him. , And then there is Gopi Krishna’s harrowing-but-moving biographical account of his experiences in awakening Kundalini. Neither account leaves anything important out as far as I can tell. Thanks for this honesty.

[@tablab165]

One of the most paradoxically (or perhaps ironically) unpleasant things about coming out of retreat is the suffering of having to deal with people who have no mental tools to deal with their own suffering.

[@sgcarney]

That is a paradox. Might prove her point in a way.

[@jsblastoff]

So your suffering cause other people can’t handle their suffering? Sounds like your one of the people suffering..

[@tablab165]

@@jsblastoff Yeah, albeit less acutely and for less trivial stuff.

[@DrTheRich]

In other words: You end up believing you've become better than the people around you, and now you're looking down on them. Sounds like retreats are a good way to loose your ability for empathy.

[@tablab165]

@@DrTheRich 'Better than' and 'worse than' are both conceited positions to believe about yourself or others altogether (as in intrisically worth more/should be treated with greater consideration/etc.), but better or worse at certain skills is just a fact of life. Even with skills it's hard to tell sometimes, but other times, you can be pretty sure: Biles flips better than me and Thannissaro meditates better than me. I'm not a Buddha, so I don't have the discernment to be certain that I am an all-around higher-quality person than anyone else. It is as it does. Grow in compassion and wisdom and you'll be a better person than you were, and much easier to deal with - which was the point.

[@basilfranguiadakis2103]

no matter what path you take to free yourself from something. if you can't have a teacher as a friend who has been all the way and just helps you to recognize and gain real independence, then it becomes difficult and chaotic. this applies to spiritual teachers, shamans, gurus and all kinds of therapists and therapies. the successful thing about these is the combination of person, method and facilitator and this can vary greatly(: great interview..thx

[@robertbaher3454]

I've been meditating for 5 years and have had some transient side effects. I've listened to Willoughby on the Waking Up app. I appreciate her work and alerting people to potential dangers of meditation. Great guest speaker!

[@noneofyourbusiness9659]

I had a rough meditation once. I asked for the next phase of my spiritual evolution in meditation and I received waves of energy hitting my body so hard it’s like I was having convulsions for 10 minutes straight. After it subsided I went to bed. I woke up the next morning with vertigo. After two days the vertigo subsided and left me with nystagmus, and oscillopsia for about 10 weeks. I couldn’t work, couldn’t barely walk at times. I saw an ENT, audiologist, neurologist, neuro-ophthalmologist, had an mri of my brain, then did a light treatment program at home called syntonics. All specialists said they had never seen anything like this and I was an anomaly. The medical field has so much catching up to do with metaphysics. All that to say that I concur with this podcast in the fact that there are definite risks with meditation. I would only meditate one every few weeks, so I wasn’t even hard core into it. I have learned that your bodies neural network must slowly adapt to incoming energy. Too much of an influx at once and you can easily throw your electrical system off, or even have a stroke. Almost anything is ok in moderation, but beware of the risks.

[@InversePacman]

Uh, you "asked for the next phase of my spiritual evolution in meditation"? I'm sorry but what does that even mean? What were you doing exactly? How were you meditating? How were you breathing? What else was happening? This doesn't make any sense.

[@christinemclatchie]

Hmmm You asked and you received, but do you know the source of the experience? Absolutely?

[@Aprylnators]

This was so interesting and informative. I've read so many books on meditation practices and even went through a yoga teacher training course, adverse affects are never talked about. In some small ways meditation was helpful, like learning to control my breathing when I get extra nervous, but pursuing a deeper practice had me so in my head and triggered a lot of depressive thought spirals. I never really talked about it with anyone because I just felt like an odd one out or that I wasn't practicing the techniques in the right way. It's awesome she's doing this research and putting this information out there, I think it's very very important for people to know that results with meditation techniques can and will vary.

[@sgcarney]

Thanks for watching!

[@laulaja-7186]

As historians note, historically no Buddhist society moves the needle on any objective measures of compassion, relative to the baseline. On the other hand it is when Buddhist societies become modern and wealthy and secularized, and for example a natural disaster happens, that the adequately-resourced public is very able and willing to pull together and work their way through the problem.

[@MyVisibleLife]

Is it possible that some of these negative effects are as a result of ‘techniques’ being taken out of a larger spiritual framework. So that mitigating strategies and support are not available. I’ve often wondered about our western obsession with with isolating the one ‘active ingredient’ when sometimes the full esoteric package is a healthier more balanced ‘diet’. I’m not denying the findings of the research. I’m fascinated by it and will he digging deeper. I just wonder whether original teachings had the protective factors included… I’m fascinated to learn more. It’s certainly a side of things I’ve not heard about before.

[@sgcarney]

That’s part of it for sure.

[@masiraadmiraal777]

Sure, it can't be understood by western Psychology. So, they try to analyse things, that in meditation from a Buddhist point of view/ technique, you would never analyse,but do the opposite..... And this is just 1 example

[@brainretardant]

If instant khrhma has taught me anything, the only framework is the one you create yourself

[@Royalroadtotheunc]

Yes. The western tendency to secularize everything that's spiritual is partly to blame.

[@thegrazingapprentice]

It seems to me that those who aren’t religious or have no spiritual connection that this work is not for them. I’m personally Christian and I can def understand how certain hullications without any spiritual context can freak you out. However, in the Christian faith you are often asking to be shown something or asking for help to work through a problem and mediation much like prayer allows for their to be context to what they are visualizing

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

So glad I clicked on this suggested video: when I was 17 (1087-88) a man came to our school that said to teach us how to meditate by repeating some mantra something like "ohhmm namaa shivayaa" and he asked us to place our heads on the seat and close our eyes, he gave us a sort of guided tour of what this was... and I did go places and all that during those ten minutes, but then before he left he suggested we continue with this alone at home.... So a few days later I was laying in bed and started that mantra, eyes closed, and went "under", and I could hear all things around me but I COULD NOT COME BACK TRY AS I MAY, I kept trying to waken and could not, I have no idea how long I was in that state but the first thing I remember next is my brother SLAPPING ME hard telling me to stop F-ing around, he said he saw me screaming and shaking uncontrollably, I remembered none of this, and that he tried to wake me nicely first, but that I kept shaking as if an epileptic attack... I got so scared bc for YEARS later I kept having these dreams where I was aware but could not wake up, and I intentionally never did that again... I wonder if this lady has any reasons or how's or why of this situation, to this day I cannot sleep face down as I used to like to do bc I feel like I cannot breathe. But I hear a lot about the great discoveries and benefits of practices meditation...

[@andreiadetavora8471]

That's Saturn's mantra... A heavy one to do when little (AND as adults!!). Not recomended!!!

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

@@andreiadetavora8471 Too late for me I guess, unless I discover some permanent solution, the dreams or nightmares are always there at least three times a week.... I don't think that man intentionally did this, most probably he didn't know what this lady is talking about. I thought about doing an ayawaska (?) journey, but I am too concerned to have a good guide that can bring me back in case I cannot do it myself... or simply another session of mediation but GUIDED by a good knowledgable person who knows how to do it and bring you back if needed.

[@christinemclatchie]

You are very fortunate to have not lost your mind during that time of meditation, as clearly you were in danger… Shiva (part of your mantra) is the Hindu god of destruction, and that is exactly what was intended for you. In the West we don’t usually find out the dangers of this Hindu practice, until we’re up to our necks in horrifying states of reality… If you want to read about the dangers of meditation and yoga, I found a book called ‘Death of a Guru’ and it is a real eye opener. It was written by the son of a Guru, who watched what happened to his father, and started to question Hinduism as he grew up. The book will explain a lot about what was happening to you; and I can tell you, you’re one of many. The good thing though, is that you have survived, although things could be better for you without the fears that you have… I don’t want to frighten you, but you have experienced demonic oppression. Something so common among those who go into Hindu practices, especially for the Hindu’s themselves. They live in fear of their gods, as they know they must appease them. Leaving food out for them when they can’t afford to feed themselves, leaving an entire country in hunger and poverty. This food gets taken btw, but not by humans. Please take care 🙏

[@ggrthemostgodless8713]

@@christinemclatchie Thanks for your response, I do still OCCASIONALLY have those nightmares and while ASLEEP they are in fact horrifying, but they look silly as I still remember them when I wake up... but I don't know if narrating those nightmares is relevant here bc I do still look for a solution... The nightmares involve some gorrilla type of creatures with horrifying sharp teeth, they are in a sort of pool or swamp filled with a soupy bloody substance up to their chest, and there is many of them, and all around them are humans trying to get away from them desperately, but these STRONG creatures grab the closest human and take bites of flesh out of them from faces backs arms and "throw" the human away only to grab another one and continue, the soupy substance is thick and is hard to move in it, strangely I do NOT see myself in it, only humans and those ape like gorillas, but they are NOT gorillas, it is like admixture of several creatures into one. Ok, at first I thought maybe I saw a horror movie and that was the reason, but this occurs regardless of movies or what happened the day of... it can be a great day only to wake up with that nightmare at night. In another one of these nightmares, I am in a place of fire, I am not burned, just walking "among" fire, and see to both sides people in pain and screaming... and it doesn't get better after that. Question: how can I do a sort of "therapy" and get rid of these dreams?? The guy who started me in this at school said this was supposed to be great for reaching the hidden mind's powers of creativity and deep thinking, and maybe it did, but it also brought this other side up, and I feel I cannot control it... unfortunately we all know most therapists are ill prepared for this as most do not even know what this lady explains here. The first thing most therapists will do is fill me full of pills, and I never take anything, not even alcohol or smoke anything.

[@TheDragonRelic]

@@ggrthemostgodless8713do you think this represents a shadow within you? A demon reflection of you?

[@2FollowHim777]

I follow Yehoshua, 'Jesus' in Hebrew. He teaches the OPPOSITE; don't empty the mind but meditate ON something, then you're directing, not passive. Through the meditation, you are led along. I stay 'spiritually grounded'. The realm of 'spirit' is dangerous and I stay away. But I need to meditate more!

[@wolfgangweingarten626]

Thank you Dr. Britton for doing what you do. It is necessary and productive. I see nothing harmful in this. Dont let small minded egocentric people negatively affect you. You are appreciated and valued. You are on the right side of this. Let the haters hate....pity the fools, lol. And Scott, you ve you...hand waving and all. You are doing great work. Thanks for doing this.

[@sgcarney]

👋

[@sky-frequency]

I applaud you for having this discussion. I learnt to meditate in the early 1980s. It was my treat with my first job. It was TM. The first few weeks were really hard. It felt like I was being attacked psychically. The facilitator said that just rarely people have my issue and to keep going. I did and I did sort of break through that issue but have to say I became so blissed out all the time I felt like I was sort of detached from reality. So I stopped as I am here on earth to have a human experience. I have since then practiced other forms of meditation. Buddhist mindful breathing. I find, if I only concentrate on breath for a shortish time each day, it was like a life calmer. I did meditate like this for 7 years each day. Through such busy times. I still meditated. There were certainly some big physical issues that meditation wasn't helping and I felt like I was calm and not addressing the problem. So then I actually stopped meditating altogether. I don't mediate at the moment. I may again in life, but carefully. I have to say I prefer to meditate alone as there can be a danger (in my perspective) that you can pick up negative energies from others there as at that time having your' boundaries open. So yes, it's good to be very careful. Also, on psychadelics, with a few friends getting into shamanism etc etc and taking those drugs associated with it, there's a good series of books by a young man who went to South America who studies under a shaman and was highly abused and he came through. I'll report back when I remember the name of the author.

[@SkeeterMcBeater]

Being an ornrey contrarian, discussions like this are really interesting.

[@tumultex]

Thank you so much for this! I wish we had these infos out more in the past years as I struggled with the negatives of meditation and spiritual practices myself. Particularly true is what she says at 55:54 that people who get traumatised by these experiences (wether is through some deep meditation or psychedelics use) are so dysregulated they don't even have energies to confront who proposes and even swears by them. I've been there and felt so desperate, dissociated and disappointed that I truly struggled to find some real help, someone who could get my feet back to the ground. Please keep up with your work!

[@marshafish6984]

Great guest! Educated, entertaining, real and down to earth. Gotta love this gal❤

[@sgcarney]

Thanks for watching.

[@melliecrann-gaoth4789]

Very interesting discussion, I also think this is very helpful and someone below described how they saw this therapist as very off putting, I think she is more looking at this as a researcher and that is really important for safe practice.

[@adamblackman6660]

A good buddy of mine that was dedicated to yoga and meditation, experienced a kundalini crisis his early 20’s. This was shortly after getting married. His wife left him, and he went to France, where he was institutionalized. He now lives with Schizophrenia for 20 years now. Some superpowers are to powerful, and not very useful.

[@palofthepaw]

That’s usually the age when schizophrenia is first diagnosed.

[@adamblackman6660]

@@palofthepaw It is… For him, yoga just happened to trigger his schizophrenia… for some it’s cannabis. Makes you wonder if it would have ever been triggered if things had been different, or if we all have a psychosis lurking and waiting to be unlocked.

[@pkealoha76]

This honestly does happen unfortunately.

[@monnoo8221]

Therefore, in real buddhism, meditation gets taught embedded in a whole environment. Buddhism regards itself as the science of the inner world. and yes, it is a science. Triggering kundalini as a youngster is of course dangerous. It can break you completely. Its naive to do so. Is kind of ridiculous that westerners tap naively into meditation. ,...and about her: she should stop uptalking. its a disgusting trait

[@jamescareyyatesIII]

He did it wrong ! 😂

[@mattharrington5064]

What she is saying is so true. She’s a hero. And so brave. I for one see you humanity. And thank you!

[@sgcarney]

Thank you for watching.

[@davidjohnzenocollins]

Willoughby, I am so very sorry you are going through this muck. I, and surely many others, are listening to you and we appreciate your scientific efforts.

[@AmanAngel126]

This pretty awesome and necessary. Teaching spiritual techniques has long been corrupt. I found out the hard way too and faced the same hatred. Keep up the good work. We have to practice discernment and embrace our human life.

[@sgcarney]

Thanks!

[@moonman5543]

I work in suicide prevention, the issue about suicide and these groups for me is the lack of accountability and oversight in these groups. Meditation and retreats may be an adjunct to mental health support for some, but should never replace treatment with a licensed professional. These groups should be explaining that to their customers

[@sonja7halcyon]

100% agree. Every teacher should have trauma-informed training. For me after 15+ years of meditation and all sorts of new age BS the only thing that helped was a licensed trauma psychotherapist, and after doing the real work I was able to see clearly that I had been subtly retraumatising myself with everything else I was doing in the desperate attempt to heal myself, with all of the promises for healing I had been given by these well-intentioned but wholly ignorant people.

[@kate3519]

27:20 so is this a conversation about the practice of meditation has harmful effects or is the problem “mediations organizations”, or people not fully understanding the religion associated to said meditations?🤷🏻‍♀️

[@aliceputt3133]

Spiritual Emergency by Christina Groff addresses this and gives useful info. This is why Indian Ashrams were created so those experiencing difficulties could retreat under the guidance of a Guru who had successfully navigated their energy activation. They were supposed to be guides not infallible holy people. Meditation and Yoga are meant to clear blockages to achieve connection with the Divine. All the traumas you experienced and didn’t resolve can come up to be looked at as the current adult you are for you to complete. I’ve worked through a lot to my benefit. It really needs guidance to help work through by someone who is familiar with these possibilities and strategies to deal with them.

[@MajICReiki]

Correct. I do not take on any reiki students with out the disclaimers and warnings. Dark k'night of the soul, isn't just a trendy phrase. While leveling up there are things that will Need to be processed, to move forward. My role is to help guide that integration and assimilation. Vettingamd understanding the students perceptions and desire and motivations IS THE TEACHERS role/job. People who are not prepared for deep dark dives to clear out the old unworthy of now, it is the responsibility of the guide or teacher to be aware and be prepared for any student to go through their own version of purging and processing difficult memories or emotions, and to advise when necessary for CBT and DBT psychological therapy for those who Need that. No one should assume anyone else is perfect, because they practice something admired, whether it's surfing, journalism, meditation, has a masters in theology, car mechanics, or whatever. that is an ego based Need for control and security, "i only seek advice from the most competent and best". Displaces personal power of responsibility for comprehension, integration of the information transfered, and how well it is learned regardless the source.

[@lulumoon6942]

So glad to see someone else mention Spiritual Emergency! 🙏

[@missvikkianne2011]

My kundalini has been horrific and I have to say don't go heavy with meditation bc of my experience. Grief brought mine on when I realized I'd been a Scapegoat and fuel. I had to go through to the end and my conscious mind is hard to occupy. I'm going through purging symptoms and have been on and off for 7 years. I've had 3 episodes of psychosis in the hospital and you never know if it might happen again. Take care ❤

[@lulumoon6942]

These Spiritual Emergencies are VERY real, and it's hard to find therapists who understand. Best to you in your journey, and I wish for you Radical Acceptance for who you are right now and healing. ❤️🙏💞

[@missvikkianne2011]

@@lulumoon6942 Thank you. This Aquarian energy and the Full Moon have been full of downloads. I'm learning lessons and I have been preparing for many lifetimes I feel. My consciousness has me tapped in. I wish you well

[@lulumoon6942]

@@missvikkianne2011 Thank you, and you as well ❤️🙏💞

[@cjk8249]

Maybe you should consult an exorcist

[@djday7974]

The big problem is people think they can learn to meditate via an app, while the tools were always traditionally taught by a qualified teacher, not influencers.

[@jasonmaguire9425]

This video is gold. This lady is integrity itself. Something sorely needed in a world of falsehood and narcissism.

[@sgcarney]

Yes!

[@asan1050]

Scott Carney Thank you for posting.

[@sgcarney]

Thanks for being here.

[@lofichillbeats9146]

The rise of awareness is like adding light to a dark room, making it possible to see what was already there. Truth is always mind bending because the mind bends the truth. Meditation is engaging with the presence and immersing into it, seeing everything as is without viewing things through the bending lense of the mind. We tend to focus more on the thoughts of the truth than on the truth itself.