NOBLE TEAM vs THE BAD BATCH - Who Would Win?

[@JustSomeHaloFan364]

Noble team, Spartans energy shields and armor are literally made to handle plasma shots and explosions. And they’re armor is way harder to crack than the clones armor

[@HeadHunterKillCounts]

The Bad Batch Has katarn Armour

[@Jakezillagfw]

Star Wars blasters are incrediblely powerful. I don't think spartan armor could defeat them.

[@peerawat9x]

Problem with Star Wars Blasters are that, regardless of how powerful they are, they have notably low projectile speed, enough that normal humans can dodge them, the same cannot be said for Halo's Ballistics Weapons. When the Noble Team shoots, the Bad Batch's not going to be able to dodge them unless plot armor is involved.

[@Drk-wv7rs]

@@Jakezillagfw see you say that but, we’ve seen people survive blaster shots who aren’t armored (looking at that wookie in boba fett) so I’m more inclined to think heavily modified spartan 3s with a spartan 2 super soldier with gen 1 MJOLNIR would win

[@rubioalvin]

I agree. Plus, the clones were trained to fight Droids , not specialized soldiers lol

[@CT5555_]

The idea of Omega and her little helmet, walking up with bad batch, facing six Spartans, is just hilarious.

[@Espartanica]

Or even one would give them trouble if not outright destroy them

[@Getofftheinternet21]

Omega would be absolutely decimated in the first 30 seconds.

[@Heavenly_Father]

​@@Getofftheinternet2130? you seriously think she'd last that long?

[@terrorbilly8177]

@@Heavenly_Father 5 seconds? you think she'd last that long!???

[@CRIMSONMONARCH-ZOZ]

She gonna run of and bring the entire clone army

[@HarpyMaiden]

thing is about noble team’s deaths is that they’re all just unfortunate circumstances. Kat died cuz an EMP took out everyone’s shields, Jorge was forced to sacrifice himself, Carter was already bleeding out when he crashed the pelican, Emile was overwhelmed with no backup, and Noble 6 was left stranded on a planet about to be glassed. if anything they got plot nerfed

[@Qureas]

Noble 6 could probably take on the bad batch on his own. He's the only spartan besides Master chief classified as "hyper lethal" and the master chief takes out entire armies on his own.

[@killerclone2177]

@@Qureas and he was a spartan 3 imagine if he was a spartan 2

[@Simon-je6ck]

​@@killerclone2177 Well in lore it's said that their augmentation is less advanced than the spartan 2 but it seems like in the game it's not the case at all, I know Bungie didn't really care that much about the books so that's one of the reasons, but depending on the story spartan 3 generally doesn't seem like more effective than a spartan 2, they are pretty much the same, and in term of feats they seem doing exactly the same crazy shit as the spartan 2.

[@jasonzaragoza9413]

@@Simon-je6ck in lore Spartan 3 augmentations are on par if not better than Spartan 2 augmentations. It is a misconception that they are less effective. In the books Kurt Ambrose (a Spartan 2) says that the Spartan 3 augmentations are a 'quantum leap' in comparison to the ones the 2s received.

[@Wzrd8]

@@Simon-je6ck It's similar but a safer procedure with less extrememe results. While they are technically weaker (see the return of the health tics) They are also smaller, George and John make noble look like 1st borns next to primaris. But the 3 augs were far better because of the drastically increased survival rate. Of course the real difference in ability come from the whole child soldier abduction thing.

[@kaelinbruningful]

In the recent Nobel team audio story Jun pulled a mini Linda and was sniping Banshees pilots out of the sky through a quarter sized hole.

[@cpt.riptide473]

Linda was more impressive though since she did it one handed while hanging upside down from a rope

[@kaelinbruningful]

@@cpt.riptide473 Linda still the GOAT

[@blank9789]

And I feel his incredible wit was far more valuable than his sniping skills too considering he was the only one among the noble 6 to survive and went on to be one of the longest surviving Spartans of all.

[@mangofett927]

And a quarter is probably just barely bigger than the diameter of the rounds fired by the Halo sniper rifle.

[@talonsclaw9058]

@@blank9789 *looks at surviving Spartan 2s* Are we a joke to you?

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

Noble wins this fairly easily. Please do the verses break downs more often.

[@dietricklamade7417]

I think a vs against a mandalorian squad would be alot better of a match up.

[@jordanhendrix2619]

@@dietricklamade7417 well, that’s not exactly fair. Beskar is nearly indestructible. In legends, it doesn’t even dent.

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

@@jordanhendrix2619 even so Nobel still wins. Spartans have literal super speed and near instant reaction time. They could literally dodge the blaster bolts, close the distance ant rip them limb from limb

[@jordanhendrix2619]

@@jamesdaviesanswers8751 dude, you’re talking the people that take pride in killing Jedi for sport. They’re not such an easy mark. Reader, pay attention to the actual argument, not the misunderstanding given by the less-than-literate.

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

@@jordanhendrix2619 most jedi absolutely suck. They couldn’t even fight off standard clone troopers or were overwhelmed by B-1 battle droids. How many mandalorians got wrecked by regular ass clone troopers in season 7 of the clone wars? They are literally nothing compared to Spartans. And we are talking about Noble team here. One of the most legendary teams in the human covenant war. WITH Noble 6 it’s an absolute wash.

[@Wzrd8]

Carter had DOT. The team AI, she wasn't as personable or involved as cortana was to chief, but she still laid out briefings and directed the team with intel updates during an op. Aunty DOT is best firefight voice.

[@mmfe116]

DOT was a Dumb AI and wasn't in his suit, way different than Chief and Cortana

[@Wzrd8]

@@mmfe116 Cortana was literally built different. iirc most of the spartan team AIs were more like DOT, external mission handlers. Pre Reach game lore chief isn't given cortana right away but when they do it's out right experimental hybridyzation more like the Church/Tex combo. Post game lore team manager AIs predate cortana.

[@dolebludger]

@@Wzrd8 Yeah but Dot doesn't come up with wild shit like cortana. Just gives you updates and messages. Slip space rupture detected x1000 She's not going to make a difference in this. Cortana absolutely would So no point including her

[@Misslastate2001]

I loved spamming hers over and over again

[@MarioTheLiopleurodon]

"Oy'm Ow-meeguh" *gets sniped by Jun*

[@IsfetSolaris]

"I don't think a single spartan can take out the bad batch" Well now you've done it. I need a master chief (at full strength, cortana and all) vs the bad batch.

[@hanzzel6086]

Chief's best weapon has always been his luck (aka, plot armour). I still think he wins most of the time (7/10), but without plot armour, he wouldn't win every time.

[@fidgeysrii4888]

It ain’t even fair 😂 this man took an entire planet on his own

[@Kellethorn]

And here I am, convinced a single spartan 2 with no weapon could take on the entire bad batch with ease.

[@SkulxCrusherx]

@@hanzzel6086 He wins 9.9 times out of 10. Even without a weapon Chief can yeet a rock fast enough to do serious damage to a normal clone.

[@eaturcookiescookie7462]

Master chief vs boss would be a ultimate battle

[@OAndy265]

Considering all of the augmentations Noble Team has, PLUS they have George who is a Spartan 2 AND they have Noble 6 whom is considered hyperlethal aka like John 117 makes this an uphill battle for CF99 for sure.

[@DivineHellas]

All of Noble Team are Category 2 Spartans

[@lonestar2495]

@@DivineHellasonly Jorge is

[@tristanemery8748]

@@DivineHellas category 2? I'm guessing that the category is different from the generation of spartan, as George is from the original line of spartan 2s - the same as the master chief, and the rest are spartan 3s, still heavily augmented, just not as intensively as the 2s. I assume the category is their ranking in terms of lethality (with hyper lethal being the highest).

[@yorecf9641]

@@lonestar2495 the CAT 2 designation only applies to Spartan IIIs that were pulled from their companies due to exceptional performances in at least two high-risk operations. It isn’t their Spartan generation.

[@yorecf9641]

​@@tristanemery8748 CAT 2 only applies to Spartan IIIs pulled from their companies due to outstanding performances and were deemed too valuable to risk losing on a suicide mission. Also, while their augmentations are different, Kurt 051 - a Spartan II and the officer in charge of training every class of Spartan IIIs - states that they are actually more advanced than his own. While one could try to argue he was talking about how much safer they were, the performance of the IIIs in the field would indicate that they were more or less on par with the IIs’ own augmentations. Also, every Spartan is classified as “hyper-lethal” according to Halo: Ground Command and Halo: Official Spartan Field Manual; it’s a marketing gimmick that didn’t make sense in the context of the expanded universe.

[@aramisvaldes1711]

One can fight a losing battle against millions of covenant and make something out of it, and the other can’t even complete a single treasure hunt mission.

[@cainabel6356]

LOL! I love that.

[@Kaleb.R]

Well put lol

[@Blahblahblah23486]

Not saying bad batch wins but that’s a very vague way to put it. Considering the context you left out to make it seem like clone force 99 is fodder which isn’t true but the Spartans still beat bad batch tho.

[@daemonblackfyre6242]

Jun is just chilling.

[@Peeegeon113]

Plot demands

[@TheTrulynice1412]

No question....noble team would wipe the floor with the clones

[@Hankthestank04]

I agree

[@mryellow6918]

They have omega so it's an instant loss no diff even if noble team have 0 gear

[@TheTrulynice1412]

@@mryellow6918 Well yeah.....Omega IS over 9,000!!!!!

[@anzaca1]

But they WILL take losses. Crosshair is, as Eck pointed out, insanely deadly. He'll likely take out a Noble member before they even know what's happening.

[@MrAnt-sf2sk]

@@anzaca1”before they even know what’s happening.” Implies that the bad batch got the jump on noble team. Meaning it is an unfair fight

[@thedarklordrevan]

The bad batch can’t even accomplish simple smash and grab jobs in season 2 of their own show😢😂

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

They struggled to adapt without crosshair, those jobs they took for cid are different from the military operations they took on for the republic. They successfully steal the evidence of rampart's involvement in the destruction of kamino with help from rex while on his venator.

[@mryellow6918]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 you mean they have a child with them

[@kjw79]

Lucas wrote them with a 100% success rate. Now they are reduced to failing almost every mission objective. I’d like to see the elite soldiers again.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@mryellow6918 well that too.

[@eaturcookiescookie7462]

I wish we get a miniseries about delta squad, I really wanna see sev kicking ass

[@TheGrandShadow_DERPTASTIC]

Honestly, noble six alone could probably take on bad batch. In lore he was rated hyper lethal just like master chief. As child MC was chosen to be part of the spartan program because to the scientists who gauged him, it was if he had measurable luck. He basically blew their minds with how he seemed to get things right in situations where he shouldn't have. The primary example is Halsey tested him with a coin toss, which he got right every single time. What they didn't know (at least not at the time) is that MC's mind was naturally fast and perceptive enough that he could count how many times the coin flipped from the time it was tossed till the time it landed. That's basically crosshair level focus, if not better. And he was like 5 or 6 at the time. The reason the master chief seemed to have consistent luck wasn't because he was actually lucky, but because he trained that reaction speed to such a degree that he was able to make split second decisions like no one else. What does a situation where seconds matter mean to a guy who can make decisions in milliseconds? When you can react that fast and perceive that much, you can spot opportunities and openings invisible to others. It can honestly seem like you're doing the impossible. Like luck is on your side. Now technically speaking, there is no guarantee that noble six got his hyper lethal rating for the same reasons. But he still got that rating somehow, and they were the only two who had it. Noble six may have had a reaction speed to rival master chief.

[@michaelsanders7484]

He would’ve made the best For Honor player.

[@slobasaur]

Noble would wipe the floor with the bad batch

[@DariusFlynt_2012]

Noble could easily blow the entire batch up with a well placed treasure chest bomb

[@jacobwilkerson934]

It's sad that 343 chanced all Spartans to be hyper lethal, because now there's Spartans, some without sheilds being sent on what's practically su-cide missions

[@PDCB3rserker]

Six was also from the gen 2 batch from what i read but he was from the spartan head hunters who were sent out on the wet work missions alone

[@CommanderShepard-wq3wo]

9:28 I’d put my money on Noble 6 being able to take down the Bad Batch on his own. Especially after he’s been briefed on them by ONI. He’s the only other Hyper Lethal Spartan. The other of course is Master Chief. He’s wiped out entire armies on a single night all on his own. The Bad Batch? Child’s play for Noble 6.

[@Kellethorn]

Exactly

[@MIW_HJW]

I think Ladder forgot all.about 6

[@andrewortelli7631]

Honestly I can see him doing this as well since he can man handle high ranking elites who are physically stronger than every clone minus maybe wrecker.

[@EMoney0527]

That was retconned, all Spartans are classified as Hyper Lethal.

[@1th_to_comment.]

@@EMoney0527 ?

[@TheWarmachine375]

Noble Team and Bad Batch would make an epic team up where they kick ass and take names in a very enthusiastic walk.

[@solowingborders3239]

Preferably through the forest at midnight.

[@danielbob2628]

I feel like Noble Team would side with the people who don't like being invaded and subjugated by Republic flesh dogs.

[@TomSidProductions]

Phonk walk

[@extraspacemarine]

Nice reference

[@greasus5402]

But do they find a big titty police girl

[@etazeta674]

Noble’s fought Jiralhanae, Sangheili, unggoy, and Kig-Yar snipers, and while I love the BB, they’re essentially the human equivalent of those 4 enemies

[@jamesdaviesanswers8751]

Halo 2 jackal snipers on legendary might be better snipers than lore accurate Jun and cross hairs lol

[@tatersalad76]

Is Omega an Unggoy lol?

[@emberfist8347]

And Noble Team was killed by those enemies.

[@maniac7302]

@@emberfist8347 Noble team were killed off by Elite zealots and Jorge sacrificed himself, Jun survived, and a collection of high ranking powerful elites were still struggling to kill 6

[@bigbilly9062]

@@emberfist8347 yea uh I don’t think noble was killed off by unggoys and kig-yar or he’ll even a regular old sandhelli, the one that killed Emile and Kat was a zealot if I’m not mistaken, also noble 6 fought off dozens and dozens of high ranking elites

[@JaelaOrdo]

I love the Bad Batch but I feel like just Emile could take them all by himself, with the rest of Noble Team too it’s no contest.

[@galvaniclegend917]

Man, Emile would have a hard time getting thru Wrecker.

[@TomYourmombadil]

@@galvaniclegend917 idk about that one. Character wise, the new bad batch has Wrecker just being super dumb (a trope I hate and I think it detracts from the show). Emile can also move much faster than any clone

[@CaptainSovereign]

@@galvaniclegend917 Jorge: GitGud kiddo

[@phd9335]

Jorge would just crush wrecker with ease and the rest would be a slaughter

[@aquaplays3620]

IM READY, HOW BOUT YOU?

[@nathaniellazo5912]

It's been a while since you made one of these... As a die-hard Star Wars fan, I am confident in the Spartans.

[@PotatoWithALaptop]

Agreed

[@nV_Vice]

Yesssirrrr! 🤣

[@ReklessTW]

Agreed

[@jehucox9490]

Good man

[@aaronmartinez2070]

the clones win because of their armor

[@nyteblayderz7891]

In canon, Noble 6 is described by Halsey as “Hyperlethal”. The only other spartan given that description is Master Chief. It’s canon that Noble 6 (not Tom) was a match for Master Chief in almost every regard, despite being a Spartan 3 to Chiefs Spartan 2. He’s also been given the moniker of “Lone Wolf”, because he’s so skilled he was regularly sent on high threat solo missions to take down anything from insurgent bases, and then in Reach he’s taken down the ELITE of the Covenant. He’s also been given the moniker of headhunter as well because of how many kills he’s racked up, along with some of the other things he’s done. He was chosen to be a Headhunter by the way because he was more lethal than his normal Spartan 3 counterparts. Headhunters are given better armour and better training as well.

[@yorecf9641]

Hyper lethal applies to all Spartans. Halo: Ground Command and the Official Spartan Field Manual state such.

[@MrEcoho]

@@yorecf9641 you can pretty much put anything brought out by 343 about halo after halo 5 with a giant asterisk as the team at 343 has failed so bad they got the game taken away from them. more over its pretty clear that ground command is non canon and the Official Spartan Field Manual is a jr readers book meaning it should be taken with a massive grain of salt as such authors will use cool sounding language they dont understand just because it will get kids to read it.

[@yorecf9641]

​@@MrEcoho first off, 343 is still making Halo games, as far as I can tell. They made Infinite, they’re still in charge of the IP and both they and Microsoft have stated that they’re still going to be making Halo games in the future. Second, Bungie’s entire statement of only two Spartans being considered “hyper-lethal” was dumb, especially since one of them apparently got it by battling humans instead of the Covenant. What about the rest of Blue Team? What about Gray Team? Black Team? The entire concept falls apart when you look beyond the Bungie games. You not liking where the info comes from doesn’t invalidate it.

[@MrEcoho]

@@yorecf9641 so first off they arnt they have been put into an overseeing role which is basically we cant trust you to make the games anymore so sit there and be seen not heard. second, hyper lethal as a term is used to describe an individual that can and has wiped out entire armies on their own. more over noble six got his fighting the covenant as spartan 3s were not made till well into the human covenant war and by the events of the games chief qualifies as well. when the info comes from a kids book and a failed game its safe to say its going to need to be taken with a giant grain of salt but when it comes from the team that essentially killed the franchise its flat out wrong as its clear they have no fucking clue what they are doing.

[@yorecf9641]

​@@MrEcoho Bloomberg article: “Microsoft Corp. says it's going to keep making new games in the popular Halo franchise at its prized 343 Industries studio - despite rumors to the contrary.” Game Informer article: “Despite rumors claiming otherwise, 343 Industries will continue to develop Halo games following Halo Infinite.” In a communication between Kurt Ambrose and Franklin Mendez, it was confirmed that Six was pulled from Beta Company immediately after training. The only notes in his biography prior to joining Noble Team dealt with killing Insurrectionists and other rebel groups. Doing this with his knowledge on the Sabre Program on Mamore is what led Col. Holland to select him for Noble following Thom’s death. Six was recruited to kill the Covenant but, from what info we’ve been given, that isn’t what he spent most of his career doing. Also, tell me when Chief “wiped out an entire army” on his own prior to the games since, given when Halsey talked about Noble, none of those events had happened yet. It doesn’t matter what material said it or when. It’s canon according to the people who own and make Halo. Also, your assertion that the Official Spartan Field Manual is “a kid’s book” is pretty funny, given that it’s an in-universe book given to new Spartan IV recruits similar to those issued by real world militaries. Look up the US Army Blue Book to see what I mean.

[@Cifer77]

Noble Team, no question. Hell, the physical traits you mention Bad Batch having, every one of the Spartans would have.

[@scot9624]

more than likely exceeding

[@mattstorm360]

June and Crosshair having a TF2 style sniper fight. And if June wins, he just domes Omega. "I told them, slight recoil."

[@killer13324]

assuming emile doesn't ambush her with 8 gauge buckshot first.

[@brianstabile165]

Haha

[@jamesdouglas6977]

When comparing UNSC SPARTANs to other fandoms one has to also factor in they were fighting a losing war against a technology superior opponent for 25 years.

[@bobsterclause342]

Yeah, and against a superior force and for reasons beyond fighting. First, Rusia used a massive amount of crap tanks against germany. It worked. This would be like if germany could mass produce panzers and nuke use from orbit. Second. spartans would win their objectives, and the worlds would get continues nuke lazered anyway. We aren't talking about winning wars, we are talking about winning a fight. Spartans would defeat these guys (stronger than spartan plasma bolt weilders), and the city would get glassed anyway.

[@Angry_Peanut_52]

28 years actually. Nearly ten times longer than the Clone Wars. Hell it lasted longer than the empire

[@maniacbluejay]

Based of what weve seen the Bad Batch be able to accomplish, its definitely Noble Team.

[@emberfist8347]

Except you ignore the Bad Batch never failed a mission. Noble Team did plenty failures.

[@atch4764]

@@emberfist8347 ok, so failed missions are the only thing that matters? tell me, how are you supposed to win against a force with superior technology, and thousands times more numbers than you?

[@tallman1184]

@@emberfist8347​that’s two completely different wars on two completely different fronts and two completely different opponents. The covenant are more like the uzong vong in terms of fighting except they have significantly better technology

[@emberfist8347]

@@atch4764 I heard that people act like Noble did that all the time. Special Forces go on suicide missions so often they call it Thursday.

[@atch4764]

@@emberfist8347 sorry my brain is dying what do you mean by that

[@rodneykelly8768]

The real question is, "How long would it take them to realize that they should be on the same side?"

[@johntravis3242]

I'm not sure they would be. They'd probably be closer to neutral...

[@Will-mk5pj]

Hm… if they were close enough to yell insults? 15 mins. At range? Well, one of the snipers would be dead or wounded and a good few would be the same from the opposing sniper. So… about an hour, assuming Tech or Kat didn’t hack their radios to listen in to the other team Now that I think about it, Noble team and Bad Batch are kinda mirrors of each other. Hunter = Carter. Wrecker = Jorge. Crosshair = Jun. tek/tech = Kat, and… I guess Echo/Hunter = Emile. But… unless you count Omega… then noble has a numbers advantage, and while i’m sure they would go easy and capture Omega…

[@johntravis3242]

@@Will-mk5pj What? No 6? Oh, well. Yes, they have similar setups for each team. It is just a good template. I still think that Noble would come out on top in a head to head engagement. The Spartan each would be able to match Wrecker's strength and would come pretty close to the skills of the rest of clone force 99, other than tech. Kat is good, but not Tech good. It depends on whether or not it was a drawn out engagement or not, too. Then it would be close. Either way, I don't know. I just guess from what I do know.

[@its392yugrajio]

I don’t think they’d ever be on the same side. The Spartans were made to fight against the insurrection, and if you think about it, the insurrectionists were just rebels who didn’t want to have anything to do with the inner colonies. Spartans were not made to be free thinkers, they’re brainwashed oversized super soldiers who have nothing to lose. They’re barely even considered human and Halsey herself said they are sociopathic. Chief is one of the only ones who really showed emotion when he protected Cortana and went against the UNSC.

[@its392yugrajio]

@@Will-mk5pj nah, knowing the horrors that the Spartans committed during the insurrectionist wars, they’d slaughter Omega.

[@kramerfortuna7228]

The spartans' Mjolnir armor (when functioning properly, at least) lets them survive atmospheric re-entry and hitting the ground at terminal velocity. It's going to be very difficult to consistently cause enough damage to take down one spartan, let alone all of Noble Team at once. Not saying it's impossible, since Spartan III's aren't as tanky as Spartan II's like the Chief (though Jorge IS a Spartan II as well), but I'm putting my money on Noble Team.

[@isaiahsmith7123]

At the point of the timeline in Reach, Spartan 3s were equipped with Mjolnir Armor not the more vulnerable SPI armor, furthermore though nominally less enhanced than Spartan 2s, there enhancements were comparable and in some cases slightly superior.

[@ezyo1000]

​@@isaiahsmith7123 their enhancements are completely the same. Literally in the lore it states that the 3s augmentations were a quantum leap ahead of the 2s. And it wasn't just safety that they meant by that statement. 3s are equal in every sense of the word, to the 2s. Even the ones in SPI were only marginally inferior to Spartans in full Mjolnir. This is confirmed multiple times in the Lore

[@isaiahsmith7123]

@@ezyo1000 You're right the 3s were actually superior. The only reason they didn't first appear to shin as much, was because their deployments were basically one way trips and they were much younger and not at their full potential.

[@ezyo1000]

@@isaiahsmith7123 I think the problem actually stems from the fact that in Ghosts of Onyx, we are introduced in the prologue to Beta Companies final mission before their destruction, and for alpha we are told of their previous successful missions briefly before we get the details of their final mission as well. Alpha company had been deployed for 9 months with a dozen successful Missions without casualties before Prometheus. Betas is a little more tricky to nail down, but they had atleast half a dozen successful Missions before Torpedo. Because of this people assume all their missions had high casualties when they didn't, just their last ones, and the details of their destruction were for reasons outside the UNSCs control. Alpha was cut off from their exfil craft while an endless stream of covenant reinforcements attacked them and Beta had bat Intel and dropped right into 7 covenant cruisers. People also forget that the missions S3s took on were far more dangerous than anything the 2s faced, and they did it without ANY of the logistical support the 2s had. That speaks volumes to Kurt's training program and how tenacious the 3s were

[@QixTheDS]

A team of heavily augmented human super soldiers vs regular human clones. I can’t even begin to guess. E: I love what I’ve started.

[@andrewbryant4259]

Well, they aren’t really regular human clones. Wrecker is crazy strong, crosshair is probably the best shot of anyone in question, tech is slightly less sexy Cortana. I could go on. Edit: but yes I agree, Noble wipes the floor

[@northernseeker1822]

They aren't regular clones, even the regular clones are slightly enhanced. The bad batch are intensity enhanced soldiers but like all clones they are age accelerated.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

I wouldn't call the Clones peak human but they were based on Jango Fett and would've been like Olympic athletes. Then the Bad Batchers were genetic freaks on top of that. And Wrecker the absolute unit being more like a Brute in terms of strength. I don't think they beat Spartans but give credit where due. I'd compare them to someone like Sgt. Johnson. Badass but not on par.

[@HumanB312]

If that were true it would come down to technology skill and experience

[@LouisKing995]

@@northernseeker1822 They aren’t even remotely comparable to a Spartans enhancements, for all intents and purposes they are regular humans when compared to a Spartan

[@Sphendrana]

I am still to this day traumatized by Cat's death. Her's hit me hard. I actually really liked her, and I knew it was coming, but damn it didn't have to be so unceremonious like that. At least with Emile, he went down HARD fighting. Cat got scammed by hitscan bro.

[@SkulxCrusherx]

Welcome to war

[@CrackDCat]

I heard somewhere that there was supposed to be more to that cutscene, a phantom shooting at them from the elevator or something? But it was cut sadly :(

[@m4x927]

Shows how determined the zealots/field marshal(whatever the elite was that took that shot) was at taking out noble team.

[@Sphendrana]

@@SkulxCrusherx facts. Made for great storyline. Not everyone gets to have happy endings or glorious exits. Sometimes the enemy just squashes you like a bug.

[@isaacgraff8288]

Jorge's death was pretty epic as well.

[@midoripeco]

Let's not forget that wrecker got completely outclassed by fennec shand ( a normal human) in hand to hand combat and would most likely be similarly outclassed by noble team

[@juzoli]

Similarly? Fennec Shand is not comparable to a single Spartan, let alone a whole team of them. Spartans are several classes above. It would only start being interesting, if Luke Skywalker would be involved.

[@rabbit-tt8db]

​@@juzoli I could be wrong but don't the weapons the spartans and the rest of the USMC use fire bullets and not plasma like the covenant's guns do causes if so even Jedi and sith are screwed cause guns with bullets or slug throwers as they are called are very effective against Jedi and sith do the the fact that the moment a bullet/slug hits the blade off a lightsaber it breaks up like a irl shotgun slug and peppers the Jedi or sith

[@juzoli]

@@rabbit-tt8db You are trying to use very specific real world physics for a fantasy world. And not just one, but 2 made up fantasy worlds… You can’t compare them like that. Anyway, even if you do that, in this case bullets are vaporized even easier by lightsabers. Even if it would work, Jedi would be screwed even in universe, because that’s a primitive technology anyone can have. Mandalorians wouldn’t fuck around with Beskar which is hard to get, if they could resolve the issue with bullets:)

[@brenttebaronda4537]

@@juzoli you’re forgetting about the shot gun, sure you can melt bullets but the firing rate alone would be too much for a single jedi or sith compared to the slow fire rate of blasters even the mini gun equivalent. Shotguns would just be devastating in the right range. You could factor in force powers as well and it would only be a slight difference legends on the other hand would be tough.

[@juzoli]

@@brenttebaronda4537 The entire SW universe forgot about shotgun then. Obviously they are not stupid, so shotguns are not working.

[@darthball2723]

Alright so basically we already know that Noble team would win probably 7 times out of 10 maybe even more but with casualties on top

[@jmbwashi]

Well the strength and speed of Spartans is just so much more than Clone commandos.

[@SkulxCrusherx]

It's more like 9.9 times out of 10 that noble team wins

[@Kellethorn]

I'm going with 10/10 times. Like, we're talking "who would win? A US marine, or 10 enthusiastic puppies?" There just isn't a chance...

[@chandlersmith4731]

10/10 times

[@farkmuckerzerg634]

One spartan would end them all 10/10 times.

[@Fiend205]

I definitely feel like, if given the right equipment and weapons, that there is a scenario where Noble Six can solo the Bad Batch and win. it would be a likely scenario, but it would exist I mean, he wasn't classified as hyper-lethal for nothing

[@Zenek7274]

I think the big draw is how the teams are portrayed. In a actual conflict, both are supposed to be tactical masterminds and incredible soldiers, but the Bad Batch just acts like traditional "run in guns blazing'" comic heroes, and Noble would certainly find some sort of tangible advantage. This, in my opinion, is why Noble could win easily.

[@dfcd1432]

Biggest reason there is the enemy they were "bred" to fight. One side is an unlimited supply of stupid battle droids vs an incredibly intelligent, more sophisticated and very tactically competent alien race. Also for entirely different reasons. The clones were fighting to suppress a rebellion vs the UNSC were fighting a downhill extinction level genocide war.

[@infamouscha]

True, they have way too much plot armor.

[@IsfetSolaris]

Also, Noble 6 exists and he's considered as lethal as Master chief, who is known for killing gods and wading through universe-killing races lmao

[@bobsterclause342]

no bad batch has no chance. a single noble taam could take the whole team. A spartand three has jedi esc reaction times and is basically a cyborg, with computer reaction spead. One punch, sheilds, super fast, jump super high, lift a tank, punch like heck, heal, hack weapons (not needed). it would be like fighting an anime character. You would get wrecked. You can only take so many gee forces, so the armor would mean nothing. Someone in Mandalorian steel would get knocked up really hard or just nocked out. Even cortosis. Let's say cortosis handles shocks and lets concussive force through while cortosus does frickery with the concussive force and protects the user. Well in both cases, you still have to handle gee forces. A spartan could punch or even whip slap. And do not under estimate not actually punching, as other forms of hitting can do more damage and convey more force than punching (plaming more force for example) and do damage, but they could alospunch so hard and so fast that the person gets lifted up into the air in a matter of less than a second and goes flying and smashes into the grown ubruptly ending their movement in mere milliseconds. remember, these guys are super fast and can lift a warthog. so if you got punch, they are lifting and flipping a humvee of 5400 lbs into the air in like a second. if they punch in a fraction of a second, your two hundred pounds are hardly slowing that punch down. Think about it, a Humvee gets tossed with enough force to jostle a spartan's neural interface, killing him/ her. If you get punched, you .... -------let's say, a spartan can punch in a tenth of a second, covering five feet. he's laying into you and moving, not just extending his arm. this means 50 feet a second.15.24 meters a second, that is only less than two gees, that's fine, but coming to a sudden stop at 34 miles s an hour, in a moment? that is going to hurt very bad. considering a normal, unaugmented, not in a robotic suite human can punch 30-35 mph on average and fastest is 45, miles per hour, I would not be surprised if a spartan could punch at merely two gees worth of speed, or less fast fast than a bullet by far. The second you hit a wall, you are going to get crushed by your momentum. the problem with a sudden stop. even getting hit by a 34 mile an hour semi would hurt. even in armor. nut let's saw a spartan can punch at a hundred miles an hour. You are now flying a hundred miles and hour, you hit the wall. I don't care what armor you are wearing. batman is hurt. Bane is hurt. Even just a little. But these are fusion powered punches. There practically unlimited of these. Your getting punched again. Hell, you could could properly thrown too.

[@Vaultyboi22]

Also, noble is built alternatively stronger, bigger, and fadter

[@gmoney9469]

Noble 6 is hyper lethal. He takes out hoards of brutes and elites by himself.

[@jacobwilkerson934]

Before 343 stepped in the only other spartan rated as hyper lethal was cheif so yeah no competition here 6 wins!

[@inductivegrunt94]

Noble Team hands down. Spartan shields and armor that is designed to handle plasma and explosions, better training than just against simple droids, far more versatile and cohesive, and all around much stronger than the Bad Batch. Noble 6 alone could solo everyone in the Bad Batch, Hyper Lethal Vector and all. I'd say Noble team wins almost every engagement with only the most pyrrhic of victories given to the Bad Batch, if they win at all.

[@SpiritoftheWolf28232]

I have to disagree with the notion that Noble 6 could solo the whole of the Bad Batch. Please allow me to copy/paste a likely scenario I wrote elsewhere in the comments. 6 is incredibly skilled, but not enough to take down the Bad Batch I don't think. Not on their own. Sure 6 wiped out entire armies of normal human insurgents as a headhunter for ONI, but even considering ONI could get a full rundown on each of the Bad Batch members, their unorthodox methods combined with unique superhuman skills create too much of an X-Factor to be able to reduce any encounter to a series of if-thens. (eta the following scenario assumes ONI has no intel on the Bad Batch other than their team size and apparent roles in the squad) Most scenarios would start with 6 stalking and ambushing the Bad Batch. One member, likely Crosshair as the obvious designated marksman, would die instantly or at least be heavily incapacitated and the Bad Batch would scatter. 6 would maintain stealth as long as possible and probably get at least one more shot in before Hunter catches on to the Spartan Armor's electronic signature with his sixth sense. Grenades fly in, lobbed by Wrecker for distance, and 6 has to break cover. 6 gets caught in pressure wave, and BB starts firing from their positions. Their DC-17 weapons won't fully break the shield, but Omega's energy bow would due to its power output and piercing capabilities. 6 makes for more cover, and when is spotted again thanks to Hunter, their shield has regened. This information is relayed to Tech who gets Echo and Hunter to attempt to catch 6 with Ion Grenades. If Crosshair survives, he'll be trying to line up a shot on 6 for when the Ion Grenades hopefully break the shield again. If Crosshair is dead they'll have to rely on Omega with Wrecker running distraction to give her a clear shot. Either way, sadly, the sniper IS dying in this maneuver. 6 will recognize the gambit after the Ion Grenades short the shield and will quickscope Crosshair/Omega, but will take a nasty shot in return. Let's say Crosshair was already dead and now 6 has killed Omega. The Bad Batch is now desperate and angry. Wrecker will charge in with Hunter and Echo close behind to try and back him up. Stop him, if possible. But with two members dead, Wrecker won't be reasoned with. An injured 6 will attempt to draw a bead and let off a few rounds with the BR, but Wrecker will be doing the same with his DC-17m. Wrecker will get in close and knock the BR away while drawing his vibroknife, forcing 6 to draw their own CC blade. Wrecker will attempt to overpower, only to be held back by a significantly smaller person with relatively evenly matched strength. This feat alone will cause both Echo and Hunter to hesitate. Tech, seething, will begin to include this new fact into his analysis and conclude that the strength is likely due to the powered Spartan armor. Wrecker and 6 will break the grapple and Wrecker will go back on the offensive. A vicious bout of CQC will ensue with both Hunter and Echo unable to get clear shots. 6 will eventually attempt to parry with their combat knife only for Wrecker's vibroknife to cut through it like butter. 6 will adapt. They always do. But they will take a few nasty cuts from the vibroknife before the energy shields fully recharge. When they do, 6 will take advantage and wrestle away Wrecker's vibroknife, stabbing Wrecker in the gut, followed by the left shoulder, and lastly attempting to sever wreckers neck vertebrae. Wrecker won't let that happen easily. And he weighs a lot. Wrecker will sacrifice himself by full-body tackling 6 to the ground and taking a lethal blow, severing his spine in the process. But not before he armed an Ion Grenade. The grenade goes off point blank, not only destroying 6's energy shield, but actually doing some decent damage to the electrical systems within, forcing 6 to remove their helmet as it's now more of a hinderance. Echo will unleash a barrage of shots with his blaster pistol, suppressing 6 and starting to do some damage without the energy shields being up. 6 will go for their sidearm and loose a few shots of their own, clipping Echo's shoulder with the prosthetic arm and landing a gut shot that pierces Echo's armor. The magnum at close- to mid-range is no joke. You can kill hunter's with that thing, you know? However, 6 will be distracted, hurt, and open. Hunter will leap in from behind, disarming 6 with a kick to the wrist and driving his own vibroknife through 6's head. The scenario ends with Crosshair, Omega, and Wrecker dead. Tech is distraught, Hunter is crying, and Echo is badly injured but will survive.

[@farkmuckerzerg634]

@@SpiritoftheWolf28232 6 ODST would obliterate the clones. Spartans wouldn't even be deployed, they have more important things going on.

[@epsilonraider3180]

@@SpiritoftheWolf28232 While it's a good scenario i have a few issues with it, namely even with comparable strength and a better weapon i don't see Wrecker standing much of chance in hand to hand combat against 6 when you see him get KO'd immediately by Fennic, And finally i feel like 6 would have been able to dodge omega's shot's as well as a fair few of the rest of the teams, i would imagine with that being taken into account 6 would win, he would still probably be somewhat injured though Edit: Also how would hunter's normal human strength kick to the wrist disarm a spartan even if they're injured and distracted.

[@emberfist8347]

@@farkmuckerzerg634 That is bs the projectile weapons the UNSC stocks couldn’t penetrate clone armor.

[@emberfist8347]

No Bad Batch. The armor they use is impervious to projectile weapons and the blasters they use don’t fire plasma but energy.

[@crispy_338]

7ft of genetically modified superhumans in hulking steel and energy shields vs some goofy dudes in plastic armor and a kid

[@j-money1354]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯💯💯

[@excellent_o_excrement2460]

the spartan III's were about 6ft tall and they wore titanium composite armor but yea

[@cheeseier]

Love to see these types of videos coming back super fun to watch even if I am not really into halo its fun to see the comparisons between universes and videos like this have given me some knowledge of halo

[@chrisreilly1290]

agreed with all these points. The bad batch would have to put all their strengths and expertise to the max to make it out on top of noble team. And they would probably have to catch them off guard. Each of noble team has all the strengths of each bad batch member pretty much, plus their own expertise.

[@farkmuckerzerg634]

A group of ODST would beat the bad batch.

[@Espartanica]

@@farkmuckerzerg634 Nah, but a group of SPI Spartan 3s probably could

[@syl62]

@@farkmuckerzerg634 Disagree with the ODSTs, but definitely Spartan 3s would.

[@Shunieeez]

To be fair, not only are the spartans incredibly strong physically, but they're also pretty intelligent and well-versed with combat tactics, or otherwise. As much as I love the bad batch and Noble team, I'm handing this one to the Spartans.

[@Marsproject11]

Unless you're a sniper about 30 ft. away who domes Kat instantly and gets away.

[@Shunieeez]

@@Marsproject11 their shields were down, even a toddler can dome Kat at that point. However, Kat does deserve it. Her driving's terrible.

[@Marsproject11]

@@Shunieeez Source on that? From what I understand that excuse for the headshot has been said to be just fan theory that made literally no sense. And don't say EMP since the elevator they were just using was working fine and that would make even LESS sense.

[@yorecf9641]

@@Marsproject11 it’s entirely possible she forgot to turn her shields on. She was so shaken up at the prospect of getting glasses she actually missed hitting the elevator button on her first try. She also fumbles with trying to grab her pistol in the Zealot scene at Vizigrad Relay, forcing Carter to knock her over to avoid getting cut in half.

[@Guardian_Arias]

​@@Marsproject11source is this video, a single needle rifle domed her, it wasn't the super heated coherent helical plasma beam from a plasma rifle it was a single needle strong enough to penetrate her armor and kill and not just stick waiting to go critical mass with other needles.

[@MasterOrona]

I think you nailed it. The Spartans win via XP and efficiency. The Bad Batch usually has to wing it where as Noble Team knows what they are doing and how to complete the mission, no matter what.

[@Fadaar]

Crosshair is the only one on the Bad Batch side that even remotely poses a threat to the Spartans

[@m4x927]

He'd probably have to position himself pretty far away to be effective.

[@RaiderMXV]

Hunter is next in line, but none of the BB have the augmentation to to match the Spartans.

[@hunterh.1238]

Noble Team has superior Spartan Armor, but The Bad Batch has plot armor.

[@PieaterProducts]

I think Crosshair's sniping feats are comparable to Spartan Linda. He bounces blasters on pre-planned mirrors and she headshots multiple banshee pilots through their tiny holes from kilometers away while dangling upside down.

[@BrotherGS]

If you give crosshair a gun that could do something to spartan armor, i'd say he'd actually be an issue

[@PieaterProducts]

@@BrotherGS 100%. He's better than anything we've seen from Jun and Noble 6 is a wildcard that may or may not be even better. Crosshair's just got bad equipment for this specific matchup.

[@thataberranthalo8032]

I disagree

[@ArcPri]

@@PieaterProducts He couldn't hit any of the bad batch while they were in a chokepoint, with only one exit which is a small door while also being backed by elite clones. Jun has shot banshee pilots much like linda out of the sky.

[@PieaterProducts]

@@ArcPri Yeah, that's the tricky thing. No one can pierce plot armor.

[@ricodee3188]

Loving the _“Star Wars Versus”_ return! Next topic: *Atriox* vs *General Grievous* _(Canon)_ 👀

[@josephsuh525]

Dude Atriox would crush that cowardly loser screaming like every Saturday morning mustache Cartoon villains Grievous very easy. If it was Legends General Grievous 2003 that's a different story.

[@renton0915]

Canon Grievious would still beat Atriox.

[@GingerMacLeod]

It’s a fun premise but yeah Noble Team definitely takes this.

[@alerocillo]

As much as I like the bad batch, noble team had a very special place in my heart and being Spartans are a different league.

[@soapminer7099]

Noble fights giant genocide aliens bad Bach fights dumb clankers.

[@twitchydom8689]

Yeah Noble team is fighting a highly intelligent set of races. Especially the elites

[@BajaBlastUrUterus42069]

This is the equivalent of asking “Who would win in an MMA fight, a kindergartener or a trained SAS soldier?”

[@ben501st]

In a head to head open field battle Noble Team likely wins. In a less static, more complex environment, Clone Force 99 appears to be much more resourceful. However the Bad Batch's stellar track record may have come from mostly fighting uncreative droids and on their own terms.

[@BrotherGS]

Yeah fighting battle droids and fighting a squad of extremely lethal supersoldiers with gear far above their own are two completely different things

[@firstnamelastname9237]

Yeah. We have to bear in mind 99 have incredible issues with even human opponents. Noble fought superhumans, outnumbered them, with invisibility, more enemy snipers, and were not just on missions but on war. Constant threat.

[@avarvar8102]

Nah noble team has the advantage every time. There’s no comparison

[@calclips]

@@BrotherGS eh the fear really isn’t “far above their own”

[@alphastronghold715]

@@calclips Noble 6 survived a fall from orbit, clones of the 501st were killed by a bunch of primitive apes with spears.

[@slate8409]

It should be noted that S-IIIs that were separated from the general population were considered CAT2 - that is to say, they took to their augmentations and performed at a level comparable to if not outright surpassing the II class, and in Kurt’s own words were “ones she would have chosen”, referring to Halsey. In other words, had they existed during the II program they would’ve been conscripted as well. A common misconception about the III program was the idea that they were inferior to the IIs in every way when the opposite was the truth. You had wider variation when it came to ability and augmentation results due to the less stringent genetic screening but those who had the same markers as the IIs almost invariably outperformed their predecessors due to advancements in the augmentation and training process, many of those changes explicitly made to address failings in the II program. Even those who weren’t designated as CAT2 were a cut above the rest, with Fred-104 explicitly saying that the Gamma company Spartans he worked with on Gao were THE most lethal Spartans he’d ever seen. Also, I think the speed advantage figures in a bit more than stated - strong as Wrecker is I don’t think it’d have mattered in hand to hand. People do not comprehend just how fast Spartans are - in the time a normal human sees something and processes what they saw a Spartan has already done the same and started to move. Elites trying to fight even normal S-IIIs in close quarters with energy swords were not only losing those fights to unarmed opponents but having their weapons commandeered, and it got bad enough that Sangheili - let me reiterate, /Sangheili/, the proud warrior race - were abandoning fortified positions just to avoid having to fight SPI clad S-IIIs up close in hand to hand combat. Given that and how slow Wrecker has been shown I do not see him being a credible threat in close quarters, much as it pains me to say it.

[@eichler721]

Hands down this is a fight built to benefit Noble team as their shields and superior armor and speed just can't be overcome.

[@andrewbryant4259]

Probably the super soldiers in 2 ton armor but that’s just my opinion

[@galvaniclegend917]

Only one of them would be characterized by that statement, Jorge. The rest are III’s and are significantly lighter.

[@yorecf9641]

@@galvaniclegend917 there isn’t much size difference between the IIs and the IIIs if you look at their canonical heights and weights in the Halo Encyclopedia. Jorge is just exceptionally large even by Spartan II standards and even appears to be wearing and upgraded set of Mk IV Mjolnir as opposed to Mk V. That being said, they should all weigh around 1,000 lbs in armor.

[@megalelan100]

@@galvaniclegend917 For the Semi-powered armor most of the 3's wore, you'd be right. Noble on the other hand was wearing Mk. 5 B, which weighed half a ton.

[@rodan9773]

Go to see you back doing VS again hope to see more they are always awesome weather i agree with the outcome or not.

[@juancoronado8673]

It made me so glad that you made this video. I was like, wow, this content creator is comparing both of my favourite universes.

[@eeppss]

Great video man, with reasonable results. Glad you returned to Halo also, keep it up.

[@Dr0ctagonapus5]

A single member of Noble team may not be able to take down the Bad Batch solo, but the Master Chief could.

[@chandlersmith4731]

Noble 6 could I bet

[@ArcPri]

@That one guy 1000 Noble six is considered hyperlethal, like chief. He doesn't even need checkpoints or even weapons honestly.

[@chandlersmith4731]

@That one guy 1000 I’m dead 😂

[@poomanjones4853]

False

[@avarvar8102]

They all could single handedly

[@mkichaeking]

In Halo cannon Spartan Linda-052 was able to hit a very small target from over two miles away while hanging upside down from a rope (This happens in the first strike novel) and while Jun is not on her level I believe that he could beat crosshair without much difficulty.

[@ezyo1000]

It's Linda-058, She shot out banshee flyers by shooting into a small opening that causes a ricochet within the cockpit killing the pilot. She did it hanging upsidedown, AND one handed. Jun, in some recent Noble team Lore, tells Rosenda A-344 about the weakness and method to snipe out banshee flyer's and she muses that he is telling her that because he has done it himself.

[@cjthenarhwalking1378]

I remember Linda being upset that her accuracy at 5km was only 83%.

[@jmbwashi]

I love seeing more verses videos. These are some my favorite video types that you do. As far as my thoughts. I think that the bad batch had better team work and instinctive cooperation with them training together since birth. I don’t think that makes them win much more but I also feel like it is worth noting.

[@ethanmasuda8231]

The Spartan 3s were like 5-8 when they were kidnapped to be made into super soldiers. But the clones were rapidly grown (I think) so those 5-8 years might mean more

[@terraprime4457]

that battle starts and immediately jun puts his crosshairs on omega

[@jeffersontaylor6093]

I think the one thing videos like this always miss, and the most important part imo, is just hoe much the augmentation process does for the spartans. Every spartan could run as fast as a horse, and not to mention the speed at which they can think and react. Im not en expert on star wars at all, but considering how much i know about spartans, not only would i put any of noble team up agaisnt their entire team, i think the star wars guys would have to work to even touch one of them.

[@ahhhhhhhh5071]

uh sir... you said hoe... uh.... yeah lmao.

[@Dawson0905]

Noble team hands down wrecker and crosshair are the only clones who maybe could put up a decent fight

[@chandlersmith4731]

Only thing is all the Spartans have Wrecker’s strength 😂

[@Dawson0905]

@@chandlersmith4731 oh I know I’m just saying that goes both ways wrecker is the only clone with spartan strength or something close to it 😂

[@chandlersmith4731]

@@Dawson0905 true

[@frostyflame4008]

in a jungle warfare, i guess hunter can be radar or tech if he managed to hack the armor system

[@abdulbah2176]

@@Dawson0905 didn’t Wrecker get his ass kicked by Fennic Shand? Wrecker would get murdered by Emile

[@moonwatcher4047]

Noble Six: *exist* The Bad Batch: *chuckles* “We’re in danger!”

[@World4Sale]

The greatest threat to noble team would be the Star Wars equivalent to the jackal sniper, Crosshair

[@starsilverinfinity]

Man this'll be rough for one team, and its not going to be the literal super humans

[@xspicybigtastyx6647]

Should’ve mentioned that June is a headhunter, not just a sniper. Personally crosshair would have trouble

[@cactichris9829]

Clones were made for war, Spartans were bred for war. Ones fighting to live, the other for all of humanity.

[@Wyatthellsing98]

Noble 6 could probably take all the batch on his own he is a headhunter after all one of the most dangerous types of Spartans there is there's a reason most of his records are very very classified and blacked out

[@SpiritoftheWolf28232]

I love Reach and 6, but let me post a scenario I wrote up in another part of the comments. 6 is incredibly skilled, but not enough to take down the Bad Batch I don't think. Not on their own. Sure 6 wiped out entire armies of normal human insurgents as a headhunter for ONI, but even considering ONI could get a full rundown on each of the Bad Batch members, their unorthodox methods combined with unique superhuman skills create too much of an X-Factor to be able to reduce any encounter to a series of if-thens. (eta this scenario assumes ONI has no information on the Bad Batch other than team size and apparent roles.) Most scenarios would start with 6 stalking and ambushing the Bad Batch. One member, likely Crosshair as the obvious designated marksman, would die instantly or at least be heavily incapacitated and the Bad Batch would scatter. 6 would maintain stealth as long as possible and probably get at least one more shot in before Hunter catches on to the Spartan Armor's electronic signature with his sixth sense. Grenades fly in, lobbed by Wrecker for distance, and 6 has to break cover. 6 gets caught in pressure wave, and BB starts firing from their positions. Their DC-17 weapons won't fully break the shield, but Omega's energy bow would due to its power output and piercing capabilities. 6 makes for more cover, and when is spotted again thanks to Hunter, their shield has regened. This information is relayed to Tech who gets Echo and Hunter to attempt to catch 6 with Ion Grenades. If Crosshair survives, he'll be trying to line up a shot on 6 for when the Ion Grenades hopefully break the shield again. If Crosshair is dead they'll have to rely on Omega with Wrecker running distraction to give her a clear shot. Either way, sadly, the sniper IS dying in this maneuver. 6 will recognize the gambit after the Ion Grenades short the shield and will quickscope Crosshair/Omega, but will take a nasty shot in return. Let's say Crosshair was already dead and now 6 has killed Omega. The Bad Batch is now desperate and angry. Wrecker will charge in with Hunter and Echo close behind to try and back him up. Stop him, if possible. But with two members dead, Wrecker won't be reasoned with. An injured 6 will attempt to draw a bead and let off a few rounds with the BR, but Wrecker will be doing the same with his DC-17m. Wrecker will get in close and knock the BR away while drawing his vibroknife, forcing 6 to draw their own CC blade. Wrecker will attempt to overpower, only to be held back by a significantly smaller person with relatively evenly matched strength. This feat alone will cause both Echo and Hunter to hesitate. Tech, seething, will begin to include this new fact into his analysis and conclude that the strength is likely due to the powered Spartan armor. Wrecker and 6 will break the grapple and Wrecker will go back on the offensive. A vicious bout of CQC will ensue with both Hunter and Echo unable to get clear shots. 6 will eventually attempt to parry with their combat knife only for Wrecker's vibroknife to cut through it like butter. 6 will adapt. They always do. But they will take a few nasty cuts from the vibroknife before the energy shields fully recharge. When they do, 6 will take advantage and wrestle away Wrecker's vibroknife, stabbing Wrecker in the gut, followed by the left shoulder, and lastly attempting to sever wreckers neck vertebrae. Wrecker won't let that happen easily. And he weighs a lot. Wrecker will sacrifice himself by full-body tackling 6 to the ground and taking a lethal blow, severing his spine in the process. But not before he armed an Ion Grenade. The grenade goes off point blank, not only destroying 6's energy shield, but actually doing some decent damage to the electrical systems within, forcing 6 to remove their helmet as it's now more of a hinderance. Echo will unleash a barrage of shots with his blaster pistol, suppressing 6 and starting to do some damage without the energy shields being up. 6 will go for their sidearm and loose a few shots of their own, clipping Echo's shoulder with the prosthetic arm and landing a gut shot that pierces Echo's armor. The magnum at close- to mid-range is no joke. You can kill hunter's with that thing, you know? However, 6 will be distracted, hurt, and open. Hunter will leap in from behind, disarming 6 with a kick to the wrist and driving his own vibroknife through 6's head. The scenario ends with Crosshair, Omega, and Wrecker dead. Tech is distraught, Hunter is crying, and Echo is badly injured but will survive.

[@nyteblayderz7891]

@@SpiritoftheWolf28232no.

[@avarvar8102]

@@SpiritoftheWolf28232 Hunter isn’t strong enough to disarm a Spartan. Noble 6 would destroy them all. Hunter would have trouble with a single high ranking elite

[@Espartanica]

@@avarvar8102 Hunter would struggle with any Elite as Elites are canonically as strong as Spartans and Brutes even stronger. Puts into perspective how many the Spartans kill

[@avarvar8102]

@@Espartanica maybe not any elite cause regular marines have handled elites solo (not that is a common occurrence tho), but I definitely feel what you’re saying. Wouldn’t be easy

[@spartan5018]

Perhaps my dream match will come eventually, Sergeant Johnson vs Captain Rex

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

I hope it does.

[@Espartanica]

Johnson could only win if he picked the terms of the battle and got the jump on Rex

[@apexhalo8903]

Have you forgotten U.N.S.C has Access to some of the largest spaceships, Pillar of Autumn, Frigates, not even getting started on the M.A.C Cannons equipped on the Frigate, U.N.S.C has the infinity, they have access to even bigger ships, the U.N.S.C has the Infinity that has 10 fricking frigates just sitting inside the damn ship. 😭 -Long Swords -Pelicans What don’t they have? Spartans also have Armour Abilities And some of Halo’s weapons would literally destroy other soliders from other franchises, especially the Plasma cannon and the Spartan Laser Halo 5, a squad of Spartans literally shredded a whole Covenant army, and I know for sure the Covenant are more power than the Bad Batch.

[@tep5132]

The bad batch has no chance for the simple fact that combine all of the bad batch’s unique abilities makes a single spartan

[@fangangelwing2551]

Another point in favor for the Spartans that I don't think you thought of is the projectile speed, bullets travel at least at the speed of sound but blaster bolts don't even break 70mph

[@greasus5402]

A single spartan from Noble team can definitely wipe the floor with the Bad Batch. Blaster bolts travel at roughly 70mph, which is roughly as fast as plasma bolts that we can produce now. Granted technology in Star Wars is far more advanced. It's more realiable to gauge speeds off of tangible facts we know. Humans even those in highschool can easily dodge an object that speed and even in star wars lots of normal people dodge blaster bolts with ease so it's far reasonable to say that blaster bolts would be traveling around 70mph and given Spartans enhanced reflexes and perception a blaster bolt would be super easy to dodge as the phenomenon known as spartan time which refers to the altered perception Spartans have which makes everything around them seemingly move slower further making a 70mph projectile seem slower making it far more easy to dodge or anticipate. All of noble teams' weapons travel faster than the speed of sound and can't be dodged by the bad batch rendering any normal battle an easy win for noble team as you stated. Game mechanics for headshots aside a spartan would most definitely be able to tank several hits to their shields even from Crosshairs sniper rifle making him basically useless as firing would give his position away to Jun who would instantly take him out no matter what fancy tricks he pulled. Every member of Noble team is faster in reaction time and movement speed than any bad batch member, so fist fights are easy Ws for Noble team. Again, shield strength would make a surprise attack, pointless unless the bad batch pulled the heaviest explosives available which they dont have access to, and even then, Nobles reaction to a threat would end quickly with bad batch getting taken out. Now throw Droid poppers into the mix and you still 5 spartan 3s and a spartan 2 fully decked in super strong armor that can shrug off a few plasma shots easy then immediately turn and open fire with pinpoint accuracy. MJOLNIR armor completely negates recoil as well as the Spartans' own strength regardless of what the games portray, so pinpoint accuracy and devastating combat effectiveness would render the bad batch defeated in every circumstance. No matter the tactics, the bad batch just can't hold a candle any member of Noble team. Yes, I'm aware that Droid poppers emit and EMP but so did the field around the spire that Jorge and Noble 6 took down with no adverse effect to their armor or even shields.

[@jannickreinhold4620]

First: Love these videos!!! Second: I think you have to give a bit more credit to the bad batch in terms of equipment and Wreckers strength feats. In the Republic Commando novels the Katarn Armour(once upgraded) can take Verp rounds without taking any real damage. And those are basically mini railguns. Also I think it was Fi who jumped on a bomb to protect others and his Armour didn't even had a crack. So it is hard for noble team to defeat that with just ballistic weapons and grenades. And now to Wrecker. He wrestled a fucking Rancor and that feat where he hold up that droids leg as mentioned in the video, I think puts him above the Spartans in strength. Still think noble team wins over all because of training and reaction speed

[@mhm35]

Unfortunately, the Katarn armor used in The Sad Batch show is about as effective as standard issue clone trooper armor (when Cad Bane downed Hunter with one shot). The Republic Commando novels are irrelevent, because they feature competent special ops units with actual tactics and actual equipment, which The Bad Batch lacks significantly. Which leads to a rebuttal against Wrecker, who is strong, and little else. It's like having a trained chimp on your squad. Yes, it's extremely ferocious and strong, but that's hardly a tactical advantage when it's far less intelligent and cooperative relative to the rest of the unit. We've already seen that Wrecker charges recklessly into engagements without consideration to a plan or how his actions can compromise the effectiveness of his unit. I know Disney routinely shows this to have no effect on their missions, but the reality is, Wrecker would've been dead before we even met him in TCW Season 7 if we're to logically examine his battle tactics. That said, at least it seems everyone agrees the Spartans are winning this engagement. I'm just shocked it's even a debate to anyone LOL.

[@LaggingDuck-]

@@mhm35 We also forget that while armor may protect you from penetration, you’re still probably going to feel the impact of several magazines of 7.62-50cal ammunition Not even bringing up the fact that spartans can probably lift as much but likely more than Wrecker

[@cainabel6356]

Spartans have superior agility, strength and speed when it comes to these clones. Their strength, agility and speed would match a jedi using the force to physically enhance their bodies. Now technology wise, their armor is superior compared to the Bat Batch's technoolgy. Noble 6 would be enough to handle the Bad Batch on his own. Noble Team would just be over kill.

[@Elpepe30343]

Finally the best series has returned 🤩

[@F-14D_Tomcat]

I'm a month late, but lets keep in mind, most of noble team went out pretty much on their own terms. It also took an entire army to defeat noble 6 after he had sacrificed himself to save the pillar of autumn. Outmatched, out equipped, and outnumbered, with plasma blasts coming from every direction, he still took out a good amount of the covenant forces before he eventually bit the bullet, and that's just the ending of the game. If the rest of noble team was alive at that point, the covenant were going to have to try a lot harder.

[@Metawen]

the difference is though, Noble Team has something to live for. This counts for everything.

[@robertaddy8326]

Noble Team, heck Jorge himself can likely handle the whole Bad Batch thanks to a combination of his armor, training and experience. Personally I think a face off against either the Null or Alpha class ARC Troopers would be better. They were made to be literal superhumans and are more akin to Spartans given they are meant to act as one man armies with their firepower and training where I see the likes of the Bad Batch and Clone Commandos being akin to ODST’s. Elite yes, but not the absolute best aside from an outlier here and there and even then.

[@lukasbridges8070]

7:33 To clarify: Clone commandos were enhanced from standard clones, much like the Spartans. Clone force 99 (the bad batch) had additional mutations on top of that. Unlike CCs, ARC Troopers are chosen from the rank and file clones and given special training.

[@MasterHall117]

Noble Team would call The Bad Batch “A fucking disappointment” and then nuke them Carter: better leadership skills than Hunter Kat: might not be as quick as Tech, but will body him given he doesn’t have a viable weapon against her assuming she remembers to activate her shields (rounds for the M6D are 12.7x40mm rounds, these things are bigger than 50 AE and theoretically packs a bigger punch, the MA37 still uses 7.62x51 NATO rounds, which are armor penetrating .308 rounds and much spicier) Emile: bro’s got 40mm grenades on his vest, Crosshair could very easily get him IF they spot him, pretty sure Emile was a headhunter which are basically assassins.. Jorge: what da Jorge doin other than bullying Wrecker? Noble Six: SIII version of Master Chief, ain’t nobody on The Bad Batch’s team wining against him

[@YouTube-Channn]

I completely agree with this but one thing I’d like to mention as a side note for future videos is maybe including a section based on who they’re used to fighting? Droids are much easier to kill and much less like Spartans in comparison the covenant would be a (generally speaking) more difficult opponent and probably much more similar to a clone than the droids ti a Spartan, it’s not a massive note but it would put a lot of training and experience down the drain for clones, I’m a massive fan of the clone wars but almost all of their training and experience is based around only really losing to MASSIVE number differences

[@spedman56]

Carter > Hunter Kat > Omega Kat < Tech Jorge > Wrecker Jun > Crosshair Echo look like a failed Spartan II he wouldn’t make the cut Emile or Noble 6 could honestly solo all of Bad Batch

[@aydanmull]

Lol this one is funny. Noble team may be Spartan III’s but they’re still Spartans. Not to mention Jorge is a spartan 2, which could take the whole batch by himself

[@darkreflection9087]

I hope we get more versus series

[@scarletmonk7209]

noble team, the bad batch are some of if not the best of the clones, but they're just peak human vs something that surpasses any human

[@calebevans3690]

I'm not 100% certain that clone armor could handle projectile weaponry at all. Other than primitive spear and such, I don't recall seeing any sort of kinetic weapon in star wars, so it's possible that a single shot from noble team would take out any clone. Also Master chief alone would wipe the floor with the entirety of the Bad Batch

[@mattl9084]

Slug throwers, Trandosians used them on delta squad in the republic commando game

[@zarektheinsane6656]

The only clone that I think that could really give Noble some trouble is Tech. If he got a open transceiver that could connect to Noble, he could possibly lock the armour.

[@fidgeysrii4888]

It’s an interesting idea but the technology would probably be to different to effectively reverse engineer it on the battlefield

[@zarektheinsane6656]

That may be true. Both series have never really touched on the cyber warfare parts of battles. I know there are hackers in both setting and to me the empty AI slots the armours in halo have is a giant back door to exploit.

[@m4x927]

@@zarektheinsane6656 Covenant never really cared to do all that hard work when they knew they could just straight glass their opposition to ashes.

[@zarektheinsane6656]

@@m4x927 True, they are a bunch of lazy asshats who take the easy way out with things like that.

[@bryanguaschmonroy6877]

He’d have to learn English in about 2 seconds

[@pt3513]

Lets see. One side is a bunch of extremely enhanced super soldiers with armor that turns them into walking tanks, with enough ordinance and know-how to level a feild army. The other is a bunch of clones wearing plastic and armed with dinky blasters. Yeah, nobel team would wipe them out.

[@Sh4dowFawx]

I just was thinking that if you put Hunter's mind into Wrecker's body, you'd have something pretty close to a spartan II

[@Espartanica]

Very watered down and without a lot of the key upsides tho

[@j-money1354]

Lol facts 😅😅😅

[@zacharys8141]

Honestly I think a single spartan could take on the entire squad

[@cainabel6356]

LOL! This is very true. Noble 6 alone would be over kill. I do think you are right about any member of Noble Team would be able to beat the Bad Batch.

[@williamteng5924]

Bad batch have modified genetics to each have some super skill, but noble team is a group of super soldiers enhanced in every aspect to make other super soldiers look like a walk in the park. Each member of noble team quite literally packs the power of a tank without any of the sluggishness. This wouldn’t even be a fight, it’d be a massacre.

[@stardragon8585]

I don't think you give the droid poppers enough credit. sure that armor is heavy but it is power armor, it does at least carry itself. A well placed droid popper, perhaps with a midair crosshair shot to catch them off guard, and that super armor not only looses sheilds but becomes an active hindrance. also I think indoors the bad batch can probably take out at least most of noble if they can make it into a running battel, since that seams to be their specialty, and Crosshair has that thing he does with the mirrors that kills everything.

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

It's a surprise that droid poppers weren't used more often during the clone wars.

[@cpt.riptide473]

I don’t think droid poppers would do anything against mjolnir, the armor is supposed to be shielded against emp attacks and can withstand the emp from a nuke at close range

[@stardragon8585]

@@CloneScavengerVulpin8389 they do use them fairly often but mostly on (the rolly Polly boys I don't know how to spell the name of). Maybe they were expensive? Or traditional explosives were just more effective in the situations we see in the show (except the bad batch does use them really well)

[@CloneScavengerVulpin8389]

@@stardragon8585 that is true.

[@stardragon8585]

@@cpt.riptide473 sure, but how many times before it fails? A dozen droid poppers I'm sure it would go down

[@johnsmooth1229]

Aren't Spartans' reactions too fast for anyone on the Bad Batch to even compete against?

[@Kellethorn]

Absolutely. Spartan reactions are astronomically faster than humans, and when they are in their suit, it's even further enhanced so they can react faster than their nerves can even fire. Basically they can think of an action, and the suit will carry their muscles into position for it before their brain can tell their muscles what to do "manually." Further, their eyes are enhanced so they essentially see everything at double/triple the speed we do. If you've ever been in a car accident or caught a game-winning catch or something, you may have experienced time "slow down." This is actually a real thing and it's because your brain, during critical moments, will essentially double the amount of data your eyes take in, hence giving you fractions of a second of time slowing. Prolonged use of this would fry your eyes, but Spartans? They literally live in it, and experience the world in what is called "Spartan Time" or "Bullet Time." The truly wild bit is, that's just THEIR baseline, but under stress, their brain will double/triple even their eye processing. So they essentially live with everyone and everything around them in slow motion, and when they need to, they can slow it to a virtual crawl for a few moments. TLDR; unbelievably fast responses. And given how slow star wars blaster bolts move? It would be like casually stepping around frisbees thrown at you.

[@m4x927]

Their reaction time is estimated at 20 milliseconds. They move so fast that it's incredibly hard to chart so we only got estimates.

[@j-money1354]

​@@Kellethorn Great break-down...💯💯💯🥳🥳🥳🥳

[@j-money1354]

Yup...Plus the weight and strength difference is immense..If at any time, hand to hand combat is used...The bad batch, would be torn to pieces...

[@darktyrant3100]

Elites from Halo vs Turians from Mass Effect

[@Katagelophobe]

The idea of a counter-sniping battle between Jun and Crosshair at long ranges sounds so damn cool

[@AnotherCanadian]

Crosshair would probably take Kat's head off, due to her lack of wearing her helmet lol

[@jonthanwardlaw6099]

Kat died to a one shot needler gun. Went through the sheilds and all that fancy armor. Right in the doom. I could see crosshairs getting her.

[@neonbatteries4389]

@@jonthanwardlaw6099 Kat’s shields were down, if it was up it would probably would have taken that needle no problem, shields in halo have taken some punishment before they went down so she probably would have survived at least one shot

[@bonboi9058]

Due to the near point blank glassing, it knocked out everyone's sheild for the short amount of time between the beginning and end of that cutscene. The reason Kat died was because she was a priority target. (Or she was just the easiest shot i can't remember)

[@methadone1212]

​@@bonboi9058 i thought that kat forgot to fully reactivate her shields after the glassing due to nerves

[@bonboi9058]

@@methadone1212 Everyone's shields were down, she was the target because she was the one responsible for the signal source.

[@mckrunchytoast2469]

When talking about crosshairs abilities at sniping, I can give you a real life example of the insanity that can come from hardcore sniper training. Family friend of ours was a Green Beret sniper, told us many insane stories about Mogadishu and the sort but, I personally witnessed the proficiency this man possessed. My father is a huge hunter and also did guided hunts, we're all pretty acute and in tune with nature as well as decent marksmen. We were walking along a logging road hunting turkey, we all heard a noise to our left but before we could even look, he had unslung the shotgun off his back, spun it around, and immediately nailed a turkey out of the sky. Within fractions of a second. If you can attain that from training at our level of capacity. Crosshair having neurological enhancements with that training. That's a terrifying combo when executed to the fullest.

[@ArcPri]

He couldn't hit any of the bad batch while they were in a chokepoint, with only one exit which is a small door while also being backed by elite clones.

[@frostyflame4008]

@@ArcPri plot armor

[@Kansas_Gamer1998]

The real question is how would a Spartan do against Necromorphs?

[@willpoirier8880]

Very well i assume, there’s not much that could pose a threat to them

[@somerandomdude7785]

The Necromorphs are like the Flood for the Spartans.

[@Kellethorn]

I imagine pretty good given their experience with the Flood

[@Kansas_Gamer1998]

I'm curious how a Spartan would handle the Markers signal. I think a spartat would trouble fighting a regenerator necromorph.

[@Fires_Stuff]

The Bad Batch obviously! Crosshair would OWN Kat.

[@SaltioIsEpic]

It’s pretty simple, one has plot armor, the other doesn’t

[@mhm35]

💯 The Sad Batch will continue to survive all of their tactical blunders because Disney needs them to for the story they wanted to tell, and Bungie told a story of how those with tactical prowess make the greatest sacrifices

[@anidiot2284]

The Bad Batch is the traits required for a Spartan II embodied in several clones, on the other hand Nobel team is a Spartan II with SF Spartan IIIs one of which being better than some of the IIs based on reputation alone

[@bannockguy74]

Bad Batch fans gaslighting themselves into thinking they’d win against augmented super soldiers with energy shields, mjolnir armor, and kinetic weapons.

[@TCStink3]

You could pit Noble Team against the Bad Batch, Delta Squad, and Omega Squad and the Spartans would still win.

[@snperkiller1054]

Now what i want to see is a wrestling match between George and Wrecker