The Untapped Horror Potential Of Spider-Man 3

[@WarpingFist]

Ok, I think I need to include a disclaimer in the comment section. the first 3 Vulture concepts you see in the video were created for Spider-Man 4 yes. However, the last 2 concepts were actually made for Spider-Man 3. Vulture was originally envisioned as the villain of Spider-Man 3 but since he got cut they decided to use him for Spider-Man 4.

[@MrTonyBarzini]

There was a post-credits teaser for Spider-man 4 with Dr. Conners and the Venom goo, wasn’t there? I can’t find the clip anywhere though.

[@strider_hiryu850]

which, then, never came out.

[@irvinreevesinbaraj6134]

fuck the fandom, I love Spider-Man 3. Idc about their opinions.

[@swisserty]

Use a de-esser, your sibillance is annoying

[@Johnn2016]

Unfortunately replace by Venom and Gwen

[@NekoEnforcer]

The Idea of the symbiote tearing and eating away at Eddie Brock and dislocating his body and corrupting it is an amazing idea, it's like Peter due to his DNA was able to successfully bond to the symbiote but Eddie being a normal human wasn't but his vengeance anger and rage still made him a good candidate

[@nemanjapupovac1090]

I feel like he died not die to not being strong enough, but because of too much hatred and anger

[@libertyprime1614]

@@nemanjapupovac1090 Maybe that both his and symbiotes anger made them push too hard, without taking a break and stopping for a snack, symbiote just ate Eddie as fuel just to keep going after their target. People in rage often has little regard for their wellbeing and don't even feel pain while enraged.

[@voncinnamon1]

@@libertyprime1614 in the ultimate comics the symbiote was literally eating Eddie, even Peter but less so because of his abilities.

[@nicholashodges201]

@@voncinnamon1 even in the main continuity Venom is slowly killing Eddie by leaching a chemical out of his brain. Pretty sure you can figure out how that got resolved

[@samikaislasalo3947]

@@nicholashodges201 choco

[@vtgplayz]

As much as Raimi didn’t want Venom cuz he “lacked humanity”, that would’ve been a perfect reason to have carnage as the villain in 4, someone who’s TRULY Peters opposite, someone with no remorse, morals, and trying to appeal to him would be useless. Even Eddie could’ve been talked down if Spidey explained he did it to himself. Carnage would’ve been beyond help tho, and I like it.

[@theextremeanimator4721]

Vulture was...uh...almost that.

[@SX1995able]

Carnage is boring af imo Should've stayed in the 90s with his "I'm a serial killer booga booga" personality

[@charmingmagican9821]

@@SX1995able at least we got king in black cuz of him

[@vtgplayz]

@@theextremeanimator4721 lol I’m aware

[@archangel5627]

Actually, Sam Raimi didn’t want Venom in the sequel because he wasn’t all that familiar with the character. Raimi’s real knowledge of Spiderman and all of his supporting characters all stem from the original Stan Lee and Steve Ditko run along with the John Romita Senior run. By the time Spiderman got rid of the Black Suit and the Symbiote found it’s way to Eddie Brock, Sam Raimi wasn’t reading Spiderman comics. Whenever Sam Raimi discussed the basic plot and storyline for the Spiderman movies, he liked to pull from the comics he either read or was familiar with. On top of that, Sony was hell-bent on shoehorning Venom into the third sequel regardless if Sam Raimi wanted that. That’s the main reason why Spiderman 3 is a bit disjointed upon viewing. It’s always a shame when the studio meddles with the director’s vision (I’m looking at you WB) because Spiderman 3 could’ve been an excellent sequel. That’s what makes it even more heartbreaking that Raimi and co were never given the opportunity to make Spiderman 4. Sam Raimi has stated that Spiderman 4 was going to be a serious return to form. Instead, Sony haphazardly decided to reboot the entire franchise thus scrapping all of the preproduction work for Spiderman 4. I really wanted to see John Malkovich as the Vulture and I wanted to see Spiderman interact with the Black Cat.

[@RonanErudon1305]

The original idea for eddie's death was so cool, peter pulls him out of the symbiote like what we saw in the movie, but only his skeleton came out, and the symbiote tries to rebound to peter only to be killed by the falling spikes resonating in his body

[@wayfaringstranger8430]

You left out the part where the skeleton is insanely warped and the symbiote is revealed to be basically the husk of Eddie's dead body. That shit was horrifying and it makes sense why they left it out.

[@atwunz]

@@wayfaringstranger8430then, it would have put any superhero movie into shame even films like spawn, blade 2, watchmen, deadpool, etc.

[@garysmithfan1432]

@@wayfaringstranger8430 not to mention that deleted spiderman 3 scene were peter looks in the mirror and sees himself in the suit with a human looking form of venom shouting in pain really disturbing and dark

[@backinflash402]

Wait how does the symbiote die from spikes it's goo

[@garysmithfan1432]

@@backinflash402 who knows the spiderman 3 game had this idea and it doesnt make sense the host cant die as long as the symbiote is there

[@LongDaysPleasantNights]

Wow, the idea of the symbiote altering Eddie's physical appearance due to it feeding off of his anger and corrupting him to the point that it literally fuses itself to his body is actually amazing and just highlights classic Sam Raimi body horror. Shame it didn't make it into the film though, would have been a great yet grotesque illustration of the themes of the film

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

symbiote just uses his corpse and memories, eddy would be dead by then

[@tonuahmed4227]

Reminds me of cubricks 'The Thing' movie

[@user-vi4xy1jw7e]

​@@MGrey-qb5xzI hate the concept lol

[@moviehermit5631]

We deserve a Raimi Sider-man movie where he isn't restricted by people thinking something's "too scary". I want a Spider-man movie going full Raimi Horror dammit. It would definitely stand out among the other movies. It doesn't even need to be connected to this trilogy, just a separate standard Spider-man within a horror movie

[@WolfEpsilon]

No, because kids would be scared.

[@alio6051]

@@WolfEpsilon okay then they dont have to watch

[@ghostgawzilly93]

@@WolfEpsilon ok then the parents don’t need to take them to see it

[@piyushshedke9735]

A spiderman movie with lizard/carnage would be perfect horror

[@doomguydemonkiller]

@SuperSaiyanSpider I'm all for a Horror Spider-Man movie. But still most parents have lost their sense of morals in this day of age that they'll still take their 4 or 5 year old kids to a rated R movie.

[@m-disarray7879]

Lets be honest with ourselves, it wasn't sony's or the producer's fault how the film turned out. It was goddamn Avi Arad's fault, dude was pressed on venom bc he wanted to sell toys

[@TheGreatRecon]

Sony was the reason why 1 hour of the movie was cut and also the reason why the movie went through massive reshoots

[@Lvestfold4143]

Well I wouldn't say that. Sure it might be annoying to have Avi Arad push for something that might not work, but at the end of the day he was Sam Rami's boss and it was Rami's job to make it work. He clearly didn't have an understanding of the character of Eddie Brock as human or as Venom. Instead of going to an expert on the character he committed self-sabotage as he rather the film fail than have to include a character he didn't like.

[@garbanzomeatball]

@@Lvestfold4143 That is not what happened at all

[@Lvestfold4143]

@@garbanzomeatball Rami has admitted to not understanding the character.

[@garbanzomeatball]

@@Lvestfold4143 nah nah im not denying that, but venom not working in spiderman 3 was not self-sabotage by any stretch of the imagination. He didn’t want venom in the movie, but he clearly did do his best to do justice to the most popular spiderman villain

[@ezno5416]

"This ending was deleted however, because test audiences found it too dark and disturbing." Well those test audiences sucked. 💀

[@P-Star7511]

"This is something else."

[@cardboard000]

i agree, clearly they havent read the comments

[@GoofyBaconic]

they can't handle horror 💀💀

[@cardboard000]

@@GoofyBaconic clearly they never read the venom comics

[@WorldSlash_]

@@cardboard000what happened in the comics

[@cryantheharpguy2737]

It's kinda weird that Raimi didn't play into this more, considering his history in horror. Especially of the campy kind.

[@recproductions1261]

He was forced to not make it scary because Sony wanted to make money and sell toys

[@lightskinnedlarry728]

@@recproductions1261he didn’t want venom in the first place.

[@Karma-pq9fi]

Did you watch the video?

[@jackdeviant2025]

I feel like everything could have gone smoother if they just focused on the black suit and sandman for SM3, maybe with Vulture, and saved Venom and Carnage for 4 and 5 respectfully. Topher Grace would have had time to bulk up for a new appearance. With all respect to Andy Serkis, Sam Raimi would have a field day adapting maximum Carnage.

[@HuskeyYT]

Eddie wasn’t meant to be buff he is based off the Ultimate universe where Eddie is skinny and similar to Peter

[@dannydesanic7139]

@@HuskeyYT Eddy may have not been Buff but venom surely was

[@yacineww5804]

@@HuskeyYT venom is big in the the ultimate universe

[@HuskeyYT]

@@yacineww5804 I said Eddie not Venom

[@yacineww5804]

@@HuskeyYT a don't have problem with spiderman 3 eddy brock he was fine a venom was cool and scary not like what we got now a goofy venom

[@jordanMJK]

The reason they went so heavy on the cosmic body horror element was because the FX crew and Sam raimi himself were heavily inspired by "John Carpenters The Thing" . I prefer this style of FX for the venom character on screen. It calls back to classic venom were he wasn't enormous like he is today. The muscle and size came from eddie brock, which makes eddie a more important factor when he becomes venom. Now a daysthe size for eddie doesn't matter. they've been making venom almost the size of hulk for years. It doesn't matter who wears the symbiote now if they all land up looking huge. It takes some specialty away from the bond that eddie and the suit have. Whats the point of "WE" if anyone like a homeless man can were the suit and look just like venom. It takes me back to an old quote from the comics. "The symbiote could have bonded with anyone.....but only the rage and vengefulness of eddie brock could have created venom"

[@bakionigeri6414]

No bs. My. Favorite. Quote. About venom ever. I love that quote ever since I was a 7-year-old kid till now as a 33 year old man. I don't mind some of the other hosts, Flash Thompson did great, but the true Venom will always be Eddie brock.

[@nuggetgod2618]

well to be fair with venom being super big and eddie being big but not that BIG, the symbiote exaggerates everything about its host, not just emotions, but physicallity too, however for the most part i agree with you

[@Spider-Hoger]

The venom eating Eddie's skin makes sense since it has the characteristics of symbiosis which needs a host to survive and the unused animatronic does look better than what we got in the movie

[@GodzillaMonsters-ch6gv]

Then why didn't venom eat Spiderman since peter had it longer but he didn't even had a scratch

[@Spider-Hoger]

@@GodzillaMonsters-ch6gv if Venom bonded with peter being naked, MAYBE it could have eaten peter, plus i think Its not the symbiote fault but its peter's fault which made him have a agressive and emo attitude which affected the symbiote to have a attitude similiar to him.

[@GodzillaMonsters-ch6gv]

@@Spider-Hoger hmmm explain more pls

[@steveosborn7224]

I love the horror element of some of that. I’m in the minority I know but I liked the way Venom looked in Spider-Man 3. He was muscular and bigger than Parker but not hulking. The original venom was strong and big but it still fit the wearer Eddie Brock perfectly. Brock was a body builder so it didn’t increase his mass. Then marvel went nuts making Venom this huge hulking monster that no normal human could fit in. Sure they were in there floating around I guess.

[@atwunz]

Venom just exaggerates everything its host has, especially negative emotions.

[@matthewrivera9759]

It’s not marvels fault it’s Sony’s, we shouldn’t blame marvel for Sony’s mistakes😂😂

[@tgirl_fangs]

@@matthewrivera9759 the hulking monster concept was invented in the 2000's with Ultimate Venom, who was gigantic, and while inside the suit it seemed like the wearer would melt away until they came out of it

[@calebryhal293]

I don't mind the monstrous venom approach, like someone in this comment section wrote it feeds on emotions. And makes the user significantly stronger. I think it kind of makes sense he can control his muscle mass to become more intimidating because he's a fucking goo monster.

[@hunterprice3320]

I don't mind a big venom. But carnage on the other hand is just strange being so large. That's one of my gripes with let there be carnage is at the end when carnage is like 20 feet tall.

[@SonicHedgehog1991]

My headcanon about why Eddie's transformation into Venom was more intense than Peter's and the alternate death scene with the skeleton was because Peter was only ever bonded with the Symbiote on a surface level as a suit, unlike Eddie, whose bonding process with the symbiote goes way deeper, literally, it crawled it way inside of his body.

[@Rick-lu6ut]

I feel the test audience and obviously the studio really destroyed some cool things that could have been like the concept art with venom hurting and Deforming the body really works especially for how venom was suppose to represent addiction and rage mixing and how they create monsters

[@spidergoblin.]

Though, it seems doesn't make any sense because Venom should deform Peter as well

[@JustinTK416]

@@spidergoblin. Except Peter would be an allegorical example of someone who stumbled into illicit use and defaulted to it when down on his luck, but refused to continue and let it change the kind of person he was after realizing how badly it was affecting him. Brock on the other hand, leaned into it with utter abandon. He didn’t just get a bit too comfortable with it for a bit, he embraced it as a lifestyle because he valued the feelings it provided far more than his relationships or own integrity. It’s basically an illustration of a sketchy phase one grows from in the end, vs indifferently letting it consume your life.

[@libertyprime1614]

@@spidergoblin. Maybe, symbiote took more aggressive approach with Eddie, because “just suit” didn't work out with Peter, besides Eddie must be augmented by greater degree to compete with Peter. I believe eventually Peter would be changed aswell.

[@SirDankleberry]

@@spidergoblin. They could've had it where it became more aggressive after Peter ripped it off almost feeling betrayed. In this new aggressive form it starts to eat the user.

[@wcys1227]

I wish there is no test audience movie after this. Sometimes test audience is just annoying

[@moviehermit5631]

I think it would've been awesome to have the movie set in winter. Especially with the black suit contrasting with the white snow

[@Webshooters1]

Am I the only one who liked that they were leaning full-on into body horror with Venom? That last one that showed how the symbiote had pretty much and transformed and devoured Eddie, using his skeleton as a meat suit was AWESOME. Really embodied the idea that Eddie wasn't wearing the suit, it was the suit wearing Eddie.

[@thatonea-hole]

Reminds me of another Columbian Pictures movie: MEN IN BLACK. Specifically with how the cockroach wore Edgar the farmer's skin as a suit.

[@MitKemoson]

would love to see one of these for Tom Hardy's Venom. would be really interesting to compare the concept work

[@DanialDEcool]

Bruh what on earth would their be? It won’t be able to be in a video longer then 4:30 mins

[@aaronszyszkoofficial4776]

I think Venom turned out pretty well

[@MikeNoMichael]

Yep should’ve used that OG suit, iconic as the murdered out suit is, the while widow symbol and white tarantula are just chefs kiss perfection.

[@Luke101]

Raimi’s concepts for Venom would have been WAY better. Tweak Eddie’s character into someone with a little more depth, don’t make him a complete douche, and then gradually show this horrific mutation take place and make your audience sympathize with Eddie. Some of those mock ups were genius

[@smallfungus2675]

An unused concepts for the 2 Webb TASM and MCU Home trilogy would be an interesting follow-up for this series

[@mrkaji8913]

I think the concept with Eddie’s skin bubbling and rotting away it’s because of the explosions from the pumpkin bombs that hery throws at him

[@VidsnStuff]

That sounds awesome to see

[@dbexodia10]

I feel like most test audiences aren't complete fans of the movies they are selected to view. The Venom/Eddie skeleton has had a resounding love in the fan community. Shame a select few test audiences can change beats of a film.

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

*How old Eddie dies:* Let’s have venom replace all of his flesh and skin. *How new Eddie died:* “Kaboom?” “Yes Rico, Kaboom.”

[@daykuohtwo8422]

As much as I love Venom, I would've loved to see Vulture as the antagonist instead. Not only is he an interesting choice but he was one of Spider-Man's first enemies but it could have opened an opportunity for more aerial battles, atleast we got that with Harry in the end.

[@squinos3255]

The canned Spider-Man 4 was going to have vulture as the villain

[@wingedhussar1453]

Nah vultures sucks. It's an old man with wings.

[@daykuohtwo8422]

@@wingedhussar1453 He's a COOL man with wings :D

[@OvertheHedge06]

5:00 Goddaaaaaaaaaaamn! Just imagine what Spider-Man 3 would've been like if it was fully focused on Venom.

[@RagingBlazeBloodBaka]

But Sam Raimi doesn't understand venom so maybe it should have been in spider man 3

[@xeox4280]

@@RagingBlazeBloodBaka he does.

[@BruceWayne-wh4of]

Nicely done breakdown of how this film could've turned out. Raimis roots as a horror filmmaker really shine through in these venom concept art pieces.

[@archangel5627]

Actually, Sam Raimi didn’t want Venom in the sequel because he wasn’t all that familiar with the character. Raimi’s real knowledge of Spiderman and all of his supporting characters all stem from the original Stan Lee and Steve Ditko run along with the John Romita Senior run. By the time Spiderman got rid of the Black Suit and the Symbiote found it’s way to Eddie Brock, Sam Raimi wasn’t reading Spiderman comics. Whenever Sam Raimi discussed the basic plot and storyline for the Spiderman movies, he liked to pull from the comics he either read or was familiar with. On top of that, Sony was hell-bent on shoehorning Venom into the third sequel regardless if Sam Raimi wanted that. That’s the main reason why Spiderman 3 is a bit disjointed upon viewing. It’s always a shame when the studio meddles with the director’s vision (I’m looking at you WB) because Spiderman 3 could’ve been an excellent sequel. That’s what makes it even more heartbreaking that Raimi and co were never given the opportunity to make Spiderman 4. Sam Raimi has stated that Spiderman 4 was going to be a serious return to form. Instead, Sony haphazardly decided to reboot the entire franchise thus scrapping all of the preproduction work for Spiderman 4. I really wanted to see John Malkovich as the Vulture and I wanted to see Spiderman interact with the Black Cat.

[@frixkingly507]

I thought that Raimi himself decided to cut ends because of how much meddling Sony was putting on his potential scripts for 4. Like he suggested a movie focusing on the Vulture but then Sony (probably Avi Arad) asked him to add in elements that he didn't want just like what they did with 3.

[@theserpent8667]

@@frixkingly507 That, plus the fact that they were filming the reboot behind his back anyway.

[@fisher3317]

@@theserpent8667 Those studio execs really were a bunch of "vultures".

[@theserpent8667]

@@fisher3317 Ironic.

[@Bruno-jj2oi]

​@@frixkingly507considering how the Venom franchise is forming, i'm 100% sure Arad wanted a symbiote fest on that fourth film lol if that's the case i'm actually glad Raimi got out bc that movie would be another mess with all the studio interferencez

[@CSSP_1188]

I actually really like the slimmed down, downsized look for Venom, I actually think he could work really well as a lanky, spindly and slender character, and I also really like the more creepy and grotesque concept designs, and I much prefer them to the Tom Hardy Venom, which is nice looking and comic accurate but I also think there's a levél of goofiness to it, and it's entirely CGI so there's no practical suit, which is always a downside for me

[@jaydonmagan4694]

I get it’s your opinion, but the Venom you described is closer to how Carnage looks. Granted, in the movie Carange is slightly larger than Venom, but in the comics he’s smaller and more spindly-inspired by his sociopathic personality. Also, you’re never gonna get a good buff suit to make a more monstrous Venom. It would be too heavy for the actors. Also, for the CGI argument, disregarding their bodies, both live action Venoms have CGI heads.

[@jared2879]

@@jaydonmagan4694 literally venom is not the size it’s the character and characters can be changed jeez

[@jaydonmagan4694]

@@jared2879 You don’t say. But when people see an Eddie Brock Venom, they usually expect a buff, Hulk-sized Venom. Venom doubles the strength of Eddie, and doubles his size. That’s how a majority of Eddie Brock Venom interpretations go. He’s supposed to be the antithesis of Spider-Man. Monstrous. Brutal. Cruel. And hulking. This ain’t an argument of how Venom would look on other characters like Deadpool, or Spider-Man. This is an argument of Venom attached to Eddie Brock. Their shared hatred and vindictive personalities combine to form the beast that is Venom.

[@jaydonmagan4694]

@@Iobsterpeterson Only for a few parts. Most of that time, that is a CGI head. No practical alien monster head mask is gonna move that fluidly.

[@Yoxiv]

While it's true that Venom initially lacks humanity, being more of a monster in his early career, it's not like the character never gains humanity as time goes on and his bond with Eddie strengthens. Obviously, it wouldn't have worked for a single feature film to have Eddie become Venom, AND become a good guy in the end after some clashes with Spider-Man, but still, could have been quite interesting had Raimi been given more time to really learn about the character and how Eddie and the symbiote have a complex relationship that could easily have weaved into multiple films. Of course, it's clear that the third Raimi film was just a mess of conflicting wants and demands from everybody involved in its creation. Hopefully the success of No Way Home means we could get a revival, even if it's just a much more satisfying conclusion in the form of a fourth film or a one-off comic.

[@Yoxiv]

@silicone unicorn Try reading what I wrote before you mouth off like that

[@libertyprime1614]

@silicone unicorn Not “in love” the “in love” has romantic sexual connotations, which isn't the case for an asexual space goo, but probably loves in “special space symbiote goo” type of way which humans can't relate.

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

@@libertyprime1614 More like "loved in a symbiotic space goo way" as Venom, the symbiote, is pretty much a scorned lover who finds a new lover in the form of a fellow Peter Parker hater. It's ultimately why the symbiote chose Eddie, despite better candidates potentially existing (it's the Marvel Comics, there's a bajillion people with powers it could have bonded with instead).

[@libertyprime1614]

@@GrammarNaziAUS The asexual symbiote goo doesn't need sexual instincts, they are worthless for it and even detrimental, but it does need to protect the host from harm, which may be some kind of "love". Calling them lovers is just an analogue, the same way you could call them brothers/friends, and hatred can come when one betrays the other or the other perceives this in such way. The truth is this kind of "love" doesn't exist in our world, there is just overlap like it is between love of a parent towards their child and love between two lovers, but there are still crucial differences.

[@GrammarNaziAUS]

@@libertyprime1614 I never disagreed with this assessment. It's asexual and asexually reproduces, and has no sexual organs, and therefore, has no sexual urges. It simply needs a host to survive, and the Venom symbiote was one of the few of its' species that thought a more permanent bond would work better. Lovers is simply an analogous term that you yourself used. I simply co-opted that and turned it into *former* lovers. The important part is the fact it was scorned. Not the lovers part, as I was just building off of you. My point ultimately was, once Peter rejects the symbiote, it goes to Brock, and becomes "his" lover. Get me?

[@Crazyboy-pu2ub]

Release The Raimi Cut Of Spiderman 3

[@yacineww5804]

Yes pleas

[@darkchiefReborn]

I'm still really hurt that they built up Connor's to eventually be the Lizard, but that sadly never happened. I just didn't like how in TASM we already knew he was going to turn, where with the trilogy we saw him and Peter connect more etc.

[@dzlrpacks]

It is pretty upsetting. I think that the lizard and maybe Mysterio or the Vulture could've been excellent for Spider-Man 4

[@andrewmedley]

Eh .....I am OK with Lizard as his first year villain

[@KasirRham]

A venom that's a bit more veiny and grotesque with some dripping sludge along with perhaps some pain and fear as Venom manipulates his host would have been nice. A little more tension between Eddy and Venom in SM3 would have been dope. Along with a little more conversation about a part of Venom being in Peter's body and lingering within him would have been dope in a more Venom centric Spiderman joint.

[@MChedderbeef]

I love how crazy most of these Venom designs are, he genuinely looks like an alien with flesh

[@diegoviramontes2479]

It really is a shame that so much of the horror elements were cut. We can even see in the final movie what a more monstrous creature venom is when Peter removed Eddie from the symbiote and all that is left is a screeching black mass that only vaguely resembles it’s former hosts.

[@ClassifiedRanTom]

Sony should have let Raimi do his original idea(maybe Vulture wasn't really needed though), and have the movie end with the church scene and Eddy getting the symbiote for the sequel.

[@dzlrpacks]

Wow... That alternative ending was dark. I Honestly always wondered why Spiderman 3's venom was so slim and I got a satisfying answer. Very informative video and I really quite enjoyed it.

[@skakee10]

bruh theres so many concepts here that are ultimately unnecessary but would've just made the movie ever so slightly better. like the idea of having the movie be set during winter doesnt really matter at all, but also why not use that idea if it adds just a litter more distinctness?

[@WarpingFist]

They would have to change the production schedule to film during the winter time. Since they need to make this film quickly to avoid losing the rights; they couldn’t risk waiting.

[@WolfEpsilon]

@@WarpingFist They could add CGI weather though..

[@giuliotampucci9340]

@@WolfEpsilon useless time and money spent

[@pr0to.j03]

its not unnecessary, aesthetic and cinematography are very important to a movie too

[@homerosu353]

I really like the purple, leaner, more liquidy venom concepts. It really sells the whole alien idea more than the obvious fabricish, hexagonal texture that the final suit had

[@libertyprime1614]

They could make it look like scales, not like rough lizards scales, but slimy fish like, but barely noticeable.

[@AritoAkisame]

2:56 I'm gonna be that one guy and say that Ultimate Spider-Man's Venom's color is black and it just has a purple hue to it so the artists could detail it more like muscle definition, and proper shading.

[@Terminal_Apotos]

My Favorite movie of the Trilogy. I really wish it was Set during Winter/Christmas time because it’s my favorite time of the Year and always make a movie more memorable for me

[@timmity]

I've always loved the venom concepts for this movie, I really hope we get a more body horror version of venom at some point.

[@SOK39]

I’m sure Carnage was the one who Lacked Humanity

[@wilson7495]

Because of this video. I respect Sam Raimi and love Spider-man 3 more. No matter what Sam did. He created the best storyline,concept, and fight scene for Spider-man movies.

[@VII-AGNEESHSENGUPTA-wk9mt]

3:46 this actually makes more sense as the symbiote overlaps its host not create a creature like hulk buster iron suit where the host is on top of its helmet

[@newdivide9882]

Scrapping the warped skull and Eddie Brock actually being dead already feels like a huge missed opportunity to me. Would’ve made Venom’s defeat at the end even better, if you ask me

[@mickeymouse7726]

I love the look of the lizard in these concepts especially the second design of lizard I would've liked to have seen Dylan Baker get to be lizard in Sam Raimis vision of spider-Man 4

[@blddemn6645]

Let's just hope they had some Bully Maguire concept art too

[@fynnthefox9078]

I honestly like Venom as purple.

[@HuskeyYT]

Eddie is also skinny in the ultimate comics which a lot of people don’t know about

[@superpaytonmars8852]

That's actually a common misconception. Sam Raimi doesn't really think venom lacks humanity. He simply didn't plan on using that character. It was something that was mandated by the studio.

[@P-Star7511]

"It's too dark!" Screw you! I'm putting it in! Kids will get used to it!

[@WarpingFist]

Thank You to The Venom Site and WilliamD1123 for providing many of the concepts seen in this video. Check them out here: www.thevenomsite.com/2020/05/spider-man-3-venom-concept-art-project.html?m=1 twitter.com/williamd1123?s=21

[@sadrecliner7201]

Thank you I was waiting for this, great job!!!!

[@cbicommentbureauofinternet5290]

Unused black suit is more comic accurate

[@Sandy-kh6du]

Man just imagine if Sam was notified earlier About adding Venom,Spider-Man 3 would have been the first Horror super hero movie Just like the horror aspects in Spider-Man 1 with the Goblin just more scarier But glad we’re getting MOM and it’s set to have some horror aspects,But bro I died when you had the Gypm Spider-Man I started dying 😭😭how you gonna do spider like that

[@ErikDeMann]

One of movie history's most prominent casting mistakes was choosing Topher Grace for the role of Venom, when Dolph Lundgren would have been the obvious choice at that time. Eddie Brock was a hulk, even before the symbiote attached itself to him, and Todd McFarlane's and Erik Larsen's versions of Eddie actually looks a little like Lundgren did in the years after Rocky.

[@THEJefftheKiller]

We should get a new version of Spider-Man 3 with Sam Raimi’s vision of how he interpreted it to be.

[@SteveAdmienn]

So Eddie was going to die in the church, and use his body as a host to hold a form.

[@WarpingFist]

Basically Eddie became the Symbiotes skeleton yes

[@yacineww5804]

@@WarpingFist but if he was dead how he can show his face To peter Evry secend

[@WarpingFist]

I don’t think he showed his face at all in the original cut

[@yacineww5804]

@@WarpingFist oh thanks 1didnt now that. Do you think they Will realase og cut in the future?

[@WarpingFist]

@@yacineww5804With the publics renewed interest in Toby’s Spider-Man due to NWH; i think theres a possibility that they’ll take advantage of it. Maybe they’ll release a Spider-Man collection dvd that includes the directors cut of each film. That’s always a possibility I guess.

[@rogerwhittaker4189]

Harry Osborn concept art of him wearing a jacket and sunglasses 🕶 would've made more sense and more realistic than what we got of him.

[@venom7558]

Ok,so the Raimi trilogy is my all time favorite film franchise and being a massive fan of both the movies and of Venom himself,I can honestly say that Spider-man 3 was(and still is)the most anticipated movie of my life. I followed it like a religion. lol I thought I've seen everything but some of video and images in your video amazed me. I knew about the Venom skull,but never saw footage of it before. Kudos to you and the great research you did for this! I really do love the movie and don't believe it deserved all the hate it got,but they didn't do Venom justice. And I do think Venom was perfect for the themes Sam had for part 3:revenge and forgiveness. At least for myself,Sandman was not needed for this film. The villains should've been Harry and Venom.

[@icarovdl]

I want the movie with just Sandman as the villain, the concept arts about the robbery are so cool and his scenes are the most criative and dramatic ones in the movie

[@atwunz]

Wow. Those concept arts look better than any movie. Really, every movie's concept arts are mostly better in visual appeal than movies, showing why images are more powerful than cinema.

[@JoshTheArtist]

As I was watching this, I remembered that time where Kingpin beat Peter Parker to an inch of his life and thought, "that would be cool/disturbing to see in live action."

[@collapsedcorpse]

This video was amazing, truly putting more of a in depth what if analysis to one of my favorite childhood films 💯 crazy how it can still be relevant after all these years

[@zillauniverse7208]

I really hope you do more Cut content for other Comic Book Movies.

[@partialartist]

I love the concept art for the lizard, that artist could’ve lent a big hand to the tie in game of Spiderman 3 since the Lizard was prominent in the game and not the movies

[@venomfan2020]

0:36 Spider-Man 3 was my first introduction to Venom. From then on, I was hooked. 5:34 Damn, a skull like that would be bad... _Bad to the Bone... _*_*guitar riff*_*

[@CSSP_1188]

5:18 I'm starting to think Dane Dehaan's Green Goblin was inspired by these concept designs

[@spiritualmachine4784]

1:45 ok but that’s actually nightmare fuel… that would’ve scarred me for a while

[@KenMasters.]

Venom is supposed to be scary.

[@TheInfamousLegend27]

0:57 - 1:02 that's misinformation, Raimi didn't want to do Venom because he didn't know the character enough to do him justice. got nothing to do with the fact Venom "lacked humanity", Raimi just wasn't confident he could pull off Venom in a way respectful enough to the source material since he didn't have as much knowledge on it

[@Cdr2002]

>goes to Ultiamte Spider-Man for reference material >thinks Venom “lacks humanity” I think we found the source of that issue

[@NE81TRO]

Dude we need a Rami cut for the Spiderman having all these unique idea without Sony ruining the genius of Rami

[@OfficiallyMaidenless]

5:10 If the zombie storyline ever hit screens, I would absolutely want Sam Raimi in charge because these designs are so fucking good

[@owke.o.IYIkj.go___]

People never notice but the Animatronic was also used in the scene on the news where Venom jumps at the camera, where Peter finds it on the Television at the Convenience Store.

[@NeroLeMorte]

This venom and original green goblin design are two things we desperately need in the movies

[@coolguy2563]

The real reason why we didn't get to see the animatronic Venom is because of the stupid test audience. They found it so scary and suggested the studio to remove it according to them this is so scary for kids. This is how they ruined the whole movie.

[@maxdam4059]

don't forget venom's death scene

[@WolfEpsilon]

General audiences are too sensitive.

[@yacineww5804]

@@maxdam4059 the og death is way better and cool why they change it? This was a big mistake all that cause the stupid kids

[@OptimusPhillip]

Can you get me a source for this? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you have to at least finish principal photography before you can do a test screening, while the Venom animatronic seems to have been scrapped much earlier than that.

[@garysmithfan1432]

Same shit with spiderman 1 the og goblin mask was also creepy asf and would scare kids

[@JohnSmith-zp2jn]

Fun fact Sam Raimi wanted Harry Osborn as the Hobgoblin

[@WarpingFist]

I didn’t know that

[@RagingBlazeBloodBaka]

No he wanted vulture and sandman while harry was between good and bad, before they added venom and the new goblin, the hobgoblin idea was made in another channel called what if venom wasn't in spider man 3

[@nazishhussain2712]

Me too

[@dillblas9139]

A mutilated Venom is a unique take on the symbiote that I like personally. Makes the symbiote seem more dangerous and evil

[@samreddig8819]

So Spiderman 3 was filmed in my hometown of Cleveland Ohio. I can tell you exactly why it wasn't set in the winter. While the past 5 or so years we've had pretty warm winters with little snow. In the 2000's this was FAR from the case. Cleveland is located on the south shore of lake Erie. When it gets cold, the lake will cool down and make the city even COLDER. As well as the water if the lake condensing into even more snow than some regions of Canada. Back when I was a kid we had the storm of 07' and I had to shovel several feet of the stuff every morning before school.

[@truesupersaiyan58]

Very good information I knew about the black suit being changed but the rest not so much glad I watched this video so I’ll give it a like so I can watch again later if I need to

[@shnpio]

Venom and carnage would have been cool for 4 and 5 after Peter faces a lot of human problems to see how he applies this to a human who’s corrupted and one who was never really human to begin with

[@LaCazaLP]

5:29 this reminds me of the what if where venom literally absorbs peter till he is dead.

[@dg9444]

The alternate black suit looks so good imo.

[@blakemcnamara9105]

The sculptures seem more appropriate for Carnage as Kassidy is more fused with the symbiote.

[@srstriker6420]

2:29 oh I like this one especially with the mouth which I would love to see the concept on the Predator, Aliens, Jason Voorhees, Michael Myers, Freddy Krueger, the Creeper from Jeepers Creepers and Dracula from Blade Trinity and never like the new goblin both in concept and execution and I have heard that they were going to make Harry the Hobgoblin instead of Roderick Kingsley which I’m glad that they didn’t.

[@-BONELESS-]

5:37 looks like the Skeletron boss from Terraria

[@btr9969]

We all know how raimi is when its horror. There's some stuff from the trilogy that is scary. You could see how brutal venom was but was toned down even in eddie's death.

[@Vor567tez]

These concept arts r insane. I feel disappointed that it didn't get used. Even Lizard looked terrifying. But this does excites me for Dr Strange 2.

[@wilsonc1416]

I wish i can live in another world where Sam Raimi is never limited by weird restriction or rule for his movie. I believe if he is not working with Sony Spider-man trilogy will continue up to 4/5 movies especially when Venom as the main villain. Sam Raimi even planned to make Venom as the main villain in Spider-man 4

[@sezerkarakas4692]

I've watched your sam raimi's spider-man unused concepts videos and i just wanna say your videos are quite remarkable.

[@ghostgawzilly93]

that venom concept art is horrifying

[@dustinallday4383]

But awesome at the same time

[@ghostgawzilly93]

@@dustinallday4383 true

[@fernandomora338]

It pisses me off that in a alt reality or somewhere, we could have gotten that fully venom body horror, it's amazing how it's so different from Venom that Sam creates this cool Horror concept, man I wish he could do spider man 3 with the horror

[@petrichorsbaby]

All of these concepts are so much better than what we actually got

[@danko4250]

Oh man, it could actually have been such a amazing movie…

[@noahhutchins5164]

A lot of these body horror concept are great, but I feel would look better for Carnage and not Venom

[@mr.monitor7943]

I would have loved to see those more alien Venom designs. Something about them look freaking sweet.

[@cardboard000]

"the ending was deleted because test audiences found it too dark and disturbing" seems like they never read the venom comics

[@snowy2242]

idk why, but the concepts for black suit and venom were really good concepts

[@lonestar1104]

As someone who absolutely loves venom and body horror its a little sad some of those concepts weren't used

[@darthadipose1920]

Goddamn, now I need a special edition style re-edit replacing all the shots of the bad CGI Venom with the animatronic Venom and restoring the original ending with the skull. Well, I can only wish…

[@swazeh3990]

Now some of that stuff about Venom and body horror sounds rlly interesting.