The Useless Red Navy

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[@MatthewChenault]

It’s worth noting that Leningrad was saved - in part - by the Soviet Navy. The two battleships stationed in the Baltic Fleet conducted bombardment operations against the Wehrmacht, which slowed down their advance and brought additional time for the Red Army to prepare their defensive works.

[@sovietheart3883]

The author is ignorant and doesnt know anything about the Red Navy, especially its submarine fleet and the Battle of Sevastopol

[@Vokuud]

​@@sovietheart3883And who brought the reinforcements and carried out the evacuation of the Soviet forces in Crimea? The Soviet Navy, it is quite true that it did not have a great role like the Royal Navy or the US Navy, but that does not mean that the Soviet Navy had an important role in saving thousands of Red soldiers.

[@thirdofseveninc]

@@sovietheart3883 how many tonns of military and merchants ships soviet navy submarines managed to sunk in total? Is it even matching amount sunk by top 10 commanders of Nazi submarines? And did Axis ever used their fleet in Black sea to pose any serious challenge to Black Sea fleet?

[@Random_person-di9um]

11:10 is no one going to talk about how the ussr strapped a t34 turret on a boat💀💀

[@joshuabonilla3491]

I mean they made over 80,000 T-34s I'm sure they had a lot of turrets laying around lmao

[@Random_person-di9um]

@@joshuabonilla3491 your not wrong🤣🤣

[@filiphabek271]

If it works, it isn't stupid.

[@tovarishdimov3317]

11:23 Did you missed the KV-1 turret?

[@joshuabonilla3491]

@@tovarishdimov3317 based and Soviet pilled

[@dabigkahunacatfish2992]

When you look at the early years of WWll (1939-1942/43) it's amazing we won in the end. The Axes was really kicking ass then.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@davidmrenton]

the Germans lost the second they invaded Poland, they where behind in technology compared to the UK, the UK outproduced them in every aspect ,vehicles, ships, artillery and did'nt have the same access to natural resources .Add to that the US/USSR , Germany never stood a chance. The Germans with the Italians couldn't ever take Malta a country 20 miles long with 500k people, surrounded on all sides by the Axis. If they couldn't take Malta , they couldn't take the UK, if they couldn't take the UK , they don't conquer Europe Add to the fact they ended up more than a 2 front war, but where surrounded after the fall of Italy, , they did far worse in WW2 than in WW1. Even the Italians out performed Germany in many aspects

[@dabigkahunacatfish2992]

@@davidmrenton lf Hitler hadn't gotten stupid / greedy and left the USSR alone and concentrated only on England after taking France and the low country's, we might be speaking German today. Far to many governments took a wait and see attitude when he was gearing up.. A great example, Neville Chamberlain, now there was a real winner. We to were guilty by way of the isolation movement.

[@davidmrenton]

@@dabigkahunacatfish2992 yet Germany was incapable of invading the UK, even without the USSR,US, the UK outproduced the Axis by a large margin and was far ahead in the atomic race ( it was the UK that started it with tube alloys) Had the US /USSR not been involved, it's highly likely you would off had by say 46/47 the UK dropping Atomic weapons on Berlin Neville Chamberlain , Isolationist, bit of a weird take as if he was, he would have not declared war on the invasion of poland

[@Гвардии.флотоводец-х1ж8з]

I mean Let's just thank Hitler for being a selfish idiot, so we ussr would be able to win all mostly solo.

[@danebelling9526]

Got in early! If you're checking the comments right away, I really enjoy listening to your channel at work. The tone and pacing of your voice works really well with the content you make.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

Greatly appreciate the kind words! Glad to hear that you enjoy it. Thanks for watching and have a great week :)

[@Maximus20778]

No, it sounds robotic and ai. There's no way someone likes this

[@Napoleon1815-l8c]

"Do a Napoleon." Great statement.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@joaomachado2553]

You forgot to mention the evacuation of Talinin and Riga im mid 1941, the Russian's Dunkirk

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@thunderbird1921]

Very interesting video! One thing you could have mentioned with the fleets is that the Soviets suffered a HUGE blow when German dive bombers hit and sank the old WWI-era battleship Murat in port early on in their invasion. It sounds like the Soviet Navy DID have some significant role, one victory newsreel the USSR put out in 1945 features sailors and officers from the Baltic fleet who, the government claimed, had helped break the infamous Siege of Leningrad (they marched alongside the Red Army in the huge Moscow victory parade). I'm not sure if it was real or inflated for propaganda, but after listening to your video...maybe there WAS some real truth to it.

[@PrairieCossack]

Oh yeah Soviet newsreel is the great source, because they never lie.😂

[@PrairieCossack]

Seriously tho. Performance of Soviet NAVY during WW2 was lackluster to put it mildly. (Second only to Soviet strategic bombers.). In the far north they never opposed Krigsmarine, in the Baltic failed to crush Finns (in fact that was Finnish NAVY with no capital ships at all who's blocked SU NAVY in the Gulf of Finland), in Black sea failed to defeat Romanians(see raid on Constanza(sp?)), tho in numbers, on paper, they should have, and easily. Numbers also tell the story that by tonnage there were some Krigsmarine U-boats sank comparable tonnage of warships and shipping, PER UNIT, as ENTIRE 'Glorious Red NAVY'.

[@Ailasher]

@@PrairieCossack Given the total superiority of the Luftwaffe in 1941-42, this analysis looks like "-your grandfather is a loser! -Why is that? -He left nine successful heirs and a billion bucks, but he still died. Loser". It is more interesting to look at the results of the Glorious Kriegsmarine under similar circumstances (1944).

[@Ailasher]

@@PrairieCossack Beyond that, your words are either ignorance of real events or outright lies: from June 12 to 18, 1941 German ships, which were to operate in the Gulf of Finland, redeployed to Finnish waters. In the skerries near Abo, the "Nord" minesweeper group (three minesweepers, a flotilla of torpedo boats, and a flotilla of minesweepers) was concentrated. In the skerries west of Porkkala-Udd was concentrated group "Cobra" (three minesweepers, a flotilla of torpedo boats, a flotilla of minesweepers). On June 21, a signal was received to conduct a minesweeping operation. At 23.30 on June 21, the minesweepers of the "Nord" group under the protection of six minesweepers and four torpedo boats laid a mine barrier between Bengsher Island and Cape Tahkuna in several steps. Ships of the "Cobra" mine group laid a mine barrier north of Cape Pakrinem. Yeah, "lost to the Finnish NAVY with no capital ships at all", totally.

[@snooktasticvoyage367]

Incredible job on the information! Without trying to sound like a jerk, the narration was pretty dry

[@baddriversofmoosejaw8681]

There was also the evacuation of Army Group North from the Baltic States (Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania) which Hitler could've done by land but refused because his strategy was no retreat and fight to the death. Waiting to withdraw Army Group North in 1944, which left them trapped by the Red Army almost to the north coast of Poland and having to evacuate them by sea proved to be a huge mistake. The Soviet submarines intercepted and sunk many of the ships heading for Germany and one of the ships sunk had 10,000 people, military and civilian alike onboard. Only 1,000 made it off that same ship alive. The biggest maritime loss in history. Even the loss of life from the sinking of the RMS Titanic can't compare.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@baddriversofmoosejaw8681]

@@HiddenHistoryYT Thanks and same to you.

[@billy-dixon]

during ww2 my fathers navy LST picked up 3 navy PT bosts in san francisco ad delivered them to russian navy crews waiting in seattle, wa. ii wonder where they went after then ?

[@_ian69]

Probably scraped somewhere along the way or is rusting somewhere in one of thr former republics

[@jimandbrycefrazier7044]

@Ian69 pt boats were made out of plywood they don't rust!

[@Air-bear]

Gadfly here 🤫. The Russo-japan war of 1904-1905 is all you need to discuss, concerning Russian naval aptitude.🥶😶‍🌫️

[@MatthewChenault]

Not really, no. You have to basically ignore everything else prior to that in order to come to a negative conclusion.

[@joshuagunderson6593]

Reddit moment

[@joshuabonilla3491]

The Russian empire and USSR where different beasts. Naval operations again northern japan and in eastern China are notable.

[@davidmrenton]

@@joshuabonilla3491 the Russian /USSR/ Post USSR Navy has always been useless

[@galatians-2.20]

I completely hear you on that one. I encourage you and everyone here to search up The greatest naval blunder of all time. It's a vid by Mr ballen and it's absolutely hilarious and unimaginable. Very much worth the watch!

[@Knights_Oath]

The 20th Century Russian Navy was most successful with their submarine fleet. Even at its height of power during the Cold War. Soviet subs were by far the biggest threat and in some cases more advanced then NATO subs. Their surface fleet was usually way behind. Even now the Russian Federation has build more green water surface vessels and kept up with sub production.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@sovietheart3883]

"Their surface ships were far behind". The soviet surface fleet fielded Ashms that outranged any western counterparts and were much more advanced

[@tapultanul97]

​@@sovietheart3883 in other fields their technology and ships were worse than their western counterparts.

[@tapultanul97]

The soviet submarines' quality was extremely variable, and the technology wasn't better, even though they had some cool ideas. Their doctrine was a lot different conpared to the western countries.

[@Cabooseforprez2012]

@@sovietheart3883 Yeah I heard the Moskova was so advanced she could turn into a submarine.

[@Wiesel_Geschichte]

Your channel has potential

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@Wiesel_Geschichte]

@@HiddenHistoryYT could you maybe like rate the Video I did about the SS-OKW Conflict?

[@aurorathekitty7854]

Russia has never been known as a naval force. I guess having very little year round warm water port will do that. Plus given Russia geographical region having a big army would make more sense. Where the USA and Britain made more sense to invest more in a navy

[@TomasFunes-rt8rd]

Russia was one of the great naval powers of Europe from 1718 to 1855. They won many victories, for very few defeats (even then, only of her rowing boats, not her sailing fleets), against mostly Sweden and the Ottoman Empire during that time, as well as victorious campaigning against Revolutionary France. The fact that you don't know this is not to be confused with actual history.

[@bluedragontoybash2463]

USA, Britain,... and Japan

[@commodorezero]

Even if ice didn't exist you still have to have 3 seperate navys.

[@bluedragontoybash2463]

@@commodorezero good point!

[@tapultanul97]

​@@TomasFunes-rt8rd in that time the russian navy could take on smaller navies and the ottoman navy, but a battle against the british fleet or the french fleet would have turned to their defeat, simply because of their long and diverse experience.

[@thomasshoe92]

Thank you 🙏

[@PrairieCossack]

Performance of Soviet NAVY during WW2 was lackluster to put it mildly. (Second only to Soviet 'strategic' bombers.). In the far north they never seriosly opposed Krigsmarine, in the Baltic failed to crush Finns (in fact that was Finnish Nаvy with no capital ships at all who's blocked holed up SU Navy in the Gulf of Finland), in Black sea failed to defeat Romanians(see raid on Constanza(sp?)), tho in numbers, on paper, they should have, and easily. Numbers also tell the story that by tonnage there were some Krigsmarine U-boats inflicted comparable damage, by tonnage sank, to Allied warships and shipping, PER UNIT, as ENTIRE 'Glorious Red Navy' to Axis.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@AnimatedWarMapper]

Awesome!

[@simonkevnorris]

Is that a T-34 turret on the ship at 11:22?

[@_b_x_b_1063]

Yes

[@ScienceChap]

The Kriegsmarine was a minnow next to the US and Royal Navies. Thats why there is no record of them fighting the Soviet Navy. Most of the escorts for the northern convoys were Royal Navy, not Soviet. The Soviet navy was a largely coastal defence force.

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[@DiscothecaImperialis]

11:26 are these riverine fleets belongs to NAVY or ARMY?

[@Hemimike426]

Pitiful but heroic. Also someone forgot to tell them battleship turrets need rotating from time to time.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@jasonjung0614]

0:22 Wrong flag for Soviet Navy

[@mrcleanit4760]

The Soviets tried to build a massive battleship during the war if I recall correctly

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

Yep they cancelled it not too far into it. Appreciate you watching and have a great week :)

[@PhillinFreeTime]

The fact the US refused back all of the destroyers and DE and whatever else they gave them in the lead up to the potential invasion of Japans mainland, tells you everything you need to know. lol. They took such shitty care of them, and in some cases efen tore them apart hoping to learn some stuff, we didn’t even want the ships back. We were like “woah… wha…. The…. Just keep ‘em” lol

[@MatthewChenault]

We did that with most of the lend-lease equipment sent to other nations. We didn’t want all of the older destroyers we gave the British because they were older destroyers.

[@ChesterWortham]

We shouldn't have given them shit or even been in that damm war

[@PhillinFreeTime]

@@ChesterWortham we shouldn’t have been at war with, Japan? After they attacked Pearl Harbor? And what would you suggest we have done instead?

[@PhillinFreeTime]

@@MatthewChenault the British also bought a lot of their equipment from us… it wasn’t a “lend and give back” why do you think the British didn’t finish paying their debt to the US for ww2 until just several years ago? It wasn’t because we “leased” them stuff. Not like it really mattered anyway, half of our ww2 fleet was sold to nations by the end of the 50s

[@MatthewChenault]

@@PhillinFreeTime, so, you refute your own argument with a nonsensical reason.

[@michielstam8775]

They do have the world record for sinking a ship with the highest loss of human lives ever. April 45?

[@heermannmorrer]

The Wilhelm Gustloff,which was torpedoes by a Soviet Submarine(S-13 i believe) off the Coast of East Prussia with a loss of aproximaly 9,000 lives, of which 8,500 were civilian.

[@tamer1773]

As much as different regimes have tried, Imperial Russia, then the USSR and Russia again have never been able to get their collective heads around the idea of a navy and what's actually involved. They have no problem announcing a new class of ships and then building the second one twenty years after the first. Or taking twenty years to even build that first one Maintenance is an afterthought, if it's even given that much attention. And they don't trust enlisted sailors and NCO's with technical operations requiring more officers to perform tasks done by other ranks in other navies.

[@MatthewChenault]

Well, that is if you ignore everything between 1700-1900 and 1946-1989.

[@MatthewChenault]

Also, this argument is based on a perception of Russia from the 1990’s; not of the modern nation and its capabilities.

[@tamer1773]

@@MatthewChenault No, It was still pretty much all show and no go! Russia has never been much of a maritime power. Certainly not on the level of Spain, Great Britain and France in the 18th and 19th centuries. And from 1946 to 1989 Russia had a lot of ships, but never on the same level of capability of the US and NATO.

[@tamer1773]

@@MatthewChenault Where is the Kuznetsov? The "modern" Russian navy is losing the war on the Black Sea to a country that has no navy. The "flotilla" it sent to Cuba needed a seagoing tug to accompany it and the submarine gave NATO an excellent recording of its acoustic signature.

[@MatthewChenault]

@@tamer1773, “it was all show!” And yet NATO was deathly worried about Russian submarines well into the 1980’s. Most of these perceptions are drawn entirely from a belief that the affair of the Russian Navy from the 1990’s carries through the entirety of the Russian Navy’s history. In addition, the argument “well, the Russian Navy is _losing_ to a nation with no Navy” is moronic on the face of it. France and Denmark both lost to Germany, even though the Germans didn’t have much of any navy to begin with. The Union struggled to defeat the Confederacy and lost a large number of warships to a nation that did not have much of any navy to begin with. The Allies had struggled against the Germans and lost a large number of warships to Mines during the Great War as well. Norway managed to destroy state-of-the-art German cruisers with heavily outdated equipment. Just because Ukraine does not have a navy does not mean it is incapable of posing some form of threat to a navy. Just because Russia has lost warships to Ukraine does not mean the Russian navy is terrible either. That sort of argument is a strawman; requiring someone to ignore _everything_ in order to make the argument.

[@DiscothecaImperialis]

9:03 and how weird that land based soldiers wear sailor uniform :P

[@RobertPaskulovich-fz1th]

Patton : the USA fought the wrong enemy in Europe during World War Two.

[@paulpaustovanu8816]

admiral Tribut evacuated from one Soviet harbour of the Baltic region, occupied by the Soviets, over 11 thousands rail road cars full of amunition, after the german atttack ; why they were there, so close to the german border in 1941, the soviets were planning a attack on Germany but the lasts beat the stalinists to the punch? best wishes

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[@surf7lakemich1]

Prior to 1941 Stalin rejected a proposal from Stavka to place the main supply depots behind the Volga. Stalin decided to place the main depots close to the frontier where they were overrun and/or destroyed (mostly). Please give the source for "11 thousand" RR cars comment. Seems high given the limited rail network in the Baltics

[@paulpaustovanu8816]

@@surf7lakemich1 I DONT REMEMBER, BUT THOSE 11 K OF RAIL CARS WERE IN THAT BALTIC HARBOUR, NOT SURE THAT THEY WERE BROUGHT BY RAIL, BUT PROBABLY BY SHIP; AND RAIL CARS MIGHT BE THE QUANTITY, LIKE 20 , OR 40 OR 60 TONS OF AMUNITION PER RAIL CAR. BEST OF WISHES.

[@josemoreno3334]

No change.

[@HiddenHistoryGaming]

Rooski!

[@YukkoChan28]

They are not useless.. without the Baltic fleet and It's Sailors, Leningrad would fall from the Germans Without the Black Sea Fleet a Odessa and Crimea will have no time to evacuate. Without the River Flotillas Stalingrad will be on It's knees for a short period of time. Without the Courage and determination of the Sailors of the Red Navy in Helping the Red army against the Fascist Yolked the entire Rodina will fall apart.

[@Cabooseforprez2012]

It's a telling fact that the Soviets found more use for their sailors as infantrymen rather than at sea. No one doubts their courage, only that their ability to function as a navy was rather lack luster.

[@Air-bear]

Gadfly here 🙁. Are you saying that the Russian don’t brag. Is that why they don’t speak on this issue.🥶😶‍🌫️

[@davidcook8230]

At 10:03- 10:06, your imprecise and poorly chosen wording implies that the Germans made it into Leningrad. I hope you know rhat the Germans and their associates besieged and isolated Leningrad for several horrendous years but never were "able to invade that city". At best, tighten up your scripts up to avoid misleading viewers. At worst, avoid committing serious errors if you want to cover history.

[@chadrowe8452]

Russian had the first airborne troops... but didn't have parachutes! They just flew low slow and stupid and the troops jumped out over water. Look it up im not lying

[@Mrgunsngear]

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[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@jimm6095]

The flag of Russia was not the flag of the Soviet Union!!!

[@Schlipperschlopper]

What are you talking about? Soviet Navy was excellent!

[@JeffreyWilliams-dr7qe]

What was the Russian contribution to the vital convioy system vital to their survival?

[@VoicesofWW2YT]

So the same inept navy lol

[@It.s.me.]

Thanks to the people of the ussr Europa is free today !!

[@10.huynhphathuy8]

say like the current royal navy lol

[@shiibii6360]

​@@It.s.me.I feel like it is more in spite of the USSR. A lot of the soviet republics were basically conquered and brought under rule from Moscow to begin with.

[@Sundancer268]

Why do you have to have the music so loud, makes the voice over hard to understand for those of us with hearing impairments.

[@geo.m1639]

Use captions, it’s what they’re there for

[@Sundancer268]

@@geo.m1639 Just unsubscribed.

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

I will adjust the volume of it in all future videos, appreciate the feedback and you watching :) Have a great week!

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

oh, welp lol

[@Fallout3131]

@@Sundancer268Child

[@DaytonaRoadster]

Wargaming "REEEEEEE they had ships! Even if they were paper! REEEE"

[@OLDHAT19]

Who killed more Russian Hitler or Starlin Starlin

[@tonystone1016]

It's Josef Stalin. Have a great day!

[@glen3679]

When mentioning the battle for the Atlantic you forgot to mention the role of Canadians had.

[@vincentlefebvre9255]

It's always like that.

[@glen3679]

@@vincentlefebvre9255 don't I know it. Look at Vimy Ridge, D-Day Italy Northern Europe there's barely anything written about the Canadians

[@tapultanul97]

​@@glen3679 they took part actively in escort missions and in the mediterranean.

[@glen3679]

@@tapultanul97 also in the run to Russia

[@tapultanul97]

@@glen3679 What is it?

[@hihowareyu]

Soviets weak in summer strong in winter

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@sjoormen1]

Of course they are crap on the sea, their home are asian steppes.

[@lehoang3532]

And what's wrong with "Asian steppes"? Don't forget, they have forged one of the largest empires ever known to mankind, with an estimated of one in every five humans alive carrying their direct gene code. More, if you extend the definition of that phrase

[@10.huynhphathuy8]

the turks am i right?

[@sirius9897]

Useless red navy😂😂😂it sounds like Ursula speaking.......at least you're useful😂😂😂

[@HiddenHistoryYT]

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[@jeffreyperretti4414]

People forget that the Russians were on the Germans at the start of the War.

[@lehoang3532]

And people also willingly ignore the time when the Western allies support Nazi Germany, with the implicit goal to incite Germany into striking the Soviet

[@tetraxis3011]

A nonaggression pact is NOT an alliance.

[@hoangtrannhat1208]

People forget that Britain, Poland, Hungary and France were friends of Hitler even before WWII. These guys also sold out their friend - Czechoslovakia to Hitler's regime (Poland and Hungary also took some parts of Czechoslovakia) just to carry out Churchill's crazy plan to create an invading forces against the Soviet Union. But in the end, these fools were beaten by the Germans first. How wise.