The VAR Review | October 2024

[@COYBIG1967]

One thing I will say is the fact they are showing all these and explaining it , , it’s definitely an improvement and something I didn’t think I’d ever see

[@Dunkcanio]

Like to see these. Maybe don't agree with the outcomes of some, I've no skin in the game in this round, but seeing the process and admitting mistakes are made is refreshing.

[@graemedouglas3859]

Admitting mistakes is not fixing anything! St mirren player retrospectively booked for kicking player....nope! All I'm gearing is more men bickering over decisions and in most incidents still not clearing anything up or improving the game. So many incidents that VAR and cameras see...and they aren't allowed to assist? Where we don't want the game stopped every 5mins, some of the things we are seeing, like the 2 kicks at a player, the ref cans say I seen it and that's it? Needs sorting, or removed. Teams going into admin this week while the game is throwing money at this nonsense

[@fffghhh_2]

Where’s Maeda’s disallowed goal against St Johnstone??

[@rippedtorn2310]

what i came here for?

[@graemedouglas3859]

This is why this review show is absolutely nonsense! Like VAR people are in control if what's looked at and what's not! 😂😂😂absolute joke!

[@mcgoverg1]

Wasn’t discussed in bbc highlights as I recall and not discussed here. Nothing to see, move along

[@Gee-sm1cr]

​@@graemedouglas3859Everything's checked

[@Scottish-eagle]

Consistency is the thing for me. Shirt pulling a Aberdeen player in cup final nothing. But shirt pulling against a Rangers player either the refs or var give it or they say it’s a mistake if they don’t. But i am impressed by the transparency from Willie Gollum so far.

[@Joe1888cfc]

How can they say the Soutar one isn't denying a clear and obvious goal scoring opportunity cause the goalie might save it when someone bringing someone down outside the box when they are running through is a red for denying a clear and obvious goal scoring opportunity 😂

[@Macjohn18]

Couldn't agree more

[@jamesperrie1393]

One is a handball and one is a deliberate tackle. Not sure what’s so hard to understand.

[@Macjohn18]

@jamesperrie1393 Apparently it's really difficult because you don't even understand what a tackle is.

[@Joe1888cfc]

@@jamesperrie1393 but you still have a goalie to beat regardless so how is one denying a clear goal scoring opportunity when you are outside the box and one isn't when it's 4 yards out

[@jamesperrie1393]

@@Macjohn18 so bringing down a player in on goal is a DELIBERATE TACKLE read it slowly if that helps. The handball wasn’t deliberate, his arm is out and the ball hits his arm, he did not move the arm to the ball. Now if that’s all too hard for your low IQ to understand then we all feel for you

[@jpclinton79]

I want to see awards for VAR decision of the month 😂

[@TheAdamvdb]

These reviews are so refreshing. Worked at the sfa for 6 years and always felt "humanising" referees and educating the general public about the laws of the game would help eradicate the hostility referees receive here in Scotland. This is a big step towards that. Hopefully the next step is having referees interviewed after matches.

[@astracash]

I like this upfront review, well done.

[@stubbsieshorse327]

I think the Desser's incident was a penalty for the shirt pull - BUT take a look at what McCausland (I think) is doing with the keeper. If VAR are going to be of any use then they can't just look at the shirt pull in isolation. It's good to know that unnatural body position supersedes proximity - let's see how consistent that becomes.

[@scottmackintosh5934]

That's a good point. I'm a Rangers fan and a referee and I know that you cannot impede the run of a goalkeeper at all. However, you have to punish the worst offence. McAusland would not receive a yellow for that. The foul on Dessers might be. If it is then the penalty would be awarded instead of the foul on the keeper. However, as a referee I am lenient with yellow cards and if the rules allow it, I do not give cards. This decision is not a nailed on yellow for me. So I would then look at what foul happened first. Which is the foul on the keeper. So I personally would award a free kick to the goalkeeper and then bore everyone with this explanation. The Souttar one is not a red card as I don't believe he's done that deliberately. I think they are wrong about Butland. That shot is powerful and going into the net. It is an accidental handball though to deny a goal(not a goalscoring opportunity as the shot has been taken), which is a yellow card. Free kick to St Johnstone Penalty Hibs, yellow for Souttar I also disagree with the scales one. I think it does hit him low enough on the arm, but I think the proximity does matter and he tries to move his arm out the way. No penalty, but in a different way from what Collum describes. The Lennon handball is a stonewall foul lol. Really good to see this though and I believe we've got it way better than England as the VAR discussions seem logical and they usually get it right

[@jamesneeson9825]

Looking at that it is difficult to determine where the ball strikes Scales . When they say frame by frame playback it’s way to fast if they are going frame by frame it has to be slower so the ref can apportion blame and make the correct decision.

[@joereynolds5476]

They shouldn't even be looking at where it hit him but was it a natural movement of the arm.

[@Macjohn18]

I dont understand how Souttar moving his arm up to block the shot isn't deliberate and not a red.

[@lancegrant5281]

I would imagine not being a Rangers supporter plays a not insignificant part.

[@seanhibs1093]

Because it’s Rangers v Hibs…deep rooted corruption and cheating in Scottish football.

[@greenjedi8]

Why is the VAR official in the St Mirren incident not on a final warning for incompetence?

[@johnbuchan4664]

Excellent video we need much more of this transparency

[@georgefletcher8922]

The transparinity in this show is very good where they have identified wrong calls and the incorrect decisions. The honesty is good even tho some were called wrong I am good with this aproach

[@PaulBov7]

Bizarre comments on Souttar's handball. Clear from game audio that VAR and AVAR describe it as "deliberate" and that he "moves arm up to ball" Walsh then says non delib no action and VAR say they agree? Collum then agrees again? The audio literally contradicts the full outcome 😂

[@shinerstef]

In my view, he raises his arm to protect his face. The ball was heading straight there. Self-protection does not come into it? 😮

[@Macjohn18]

My thoughts exactly

[@joereynolds5476]

That shouldn't have been called a handball offence.

[@Jellzy19]

VAR "His Arms there in order to stop it" Ref "Non deliberate" VAR "I agree... Not deliberate" So the ref has jumped on his decison and the VAR has changed their mind without challenging it? Poor decison then and more so now that they don't even discuss this aspect during review.

[@mjudec]

Very strange. For me it's a deliberate handball. For the team at the game it isn't ..ok, I can accept that. What I can't accept is that it isn't DOGSO. The shot is within the 6 yard box and heading goalward. The keeper has the chance to save any shot if he's in his goal, but the 2nd O means opportunity, not certainty. This isn't a header or shot from 14/15 yards out that's blocked and we don't know for sure where it's going. This is a high percentage scoring shot. Absolutely nonsense that it's not DOGSO. Any other country in the world (or any other team in Scotland some might say.. I couldn't possibly comment) and that's a DOGSO. Most would say a DOGSO red. But no card in that situation....only in Scotland.

[@stephensmith3704]

I have a question about the Hibs penalty v Rangers. I appreciate that JB was deemed to be on his line when the penalty was taken however, there was no mention of VAR considering encroachment from potentially 3 Rangers players (depending on when contact was made with the ball). I believe that a re-taken penalty should have been awarded. Was this even considered?

[@cham8556]

Rule changed this year. Player encroaching has to have an impact on the pen. I.e. if it’s missed and encroached player then clears it then it’s retaken

[@lancegrant5281]

[@themightyi67]

If it doesn’t affect the taker its disregarded

[@utopia3161]

THERE WERE ACTUALLY 4 RANGERS PLAYERS ONTHE LINE AND IN THE BOX BY A FOOT OR SO. ALSO A HIBS PLAYER NEXT TO THE REF, DONT KNOW WHY IT WASENT RE TAKEN, GOOD SAVE FROM BUTLAND, HE STILL HAD HIS FOOT ON THE LINE AFTER , THE HIBS PLAYER STRUCK THE BALL, YEY YOU ARE RIGHT, RETAKE PENALTY

[@manamal77]

I am enjoying the common sense approach being used by the Scottish Referees, this update should also allow clubs and players to understand what and why - good job

[@joereynolds5476]

It wasn't all common sense.

[@patmcdermott6041]

are they just going to ignore mcausland blocking the goalkeeper

[@michaelhickland4450]

Exactly & the sevco goalkeeper foot for penalty was not on the line if look at still properly we all know they have an agenda

[@captainwin6333]

Totally. The banjo playing swamp monkey was all over the Saints keeper.

[@mickmcmenemy7701]

Openly reviewing these incidents with the audio from VAR is an excellent development for openness and learning for all, including the officials. The referee's job is to apply the rules. What concerns me is the laws around 'unnatural hand position' ; the notion that a defender spinning around to block an attacker at a corner or blocking a shot should have their arms by their sides 'tucked in' is nonsensical from a physiological point of view.

[@joereynolds5476]

I wish others, especially referees and Willie Cullum, could understand this bit of what should be common sense

[@scottmackintosh5934]

I'm a referee at amateur level and I am very lenient with handballs. I understand that when people run and jump and turn, their arms come up. I'm finding that teams are liking me being lenient with handballs. And even the blatant ones that I've gave, still get argued by players. Although I'd never do this, I genuinely feel that if I gave zero handballs the rest of the season no matter what, I'd have no complaints to me at the end of a game. At amateur level, players do not want handballs to be given unless deliberate.

[@joereynolds5476]

​@@scottmackintosh5934You understand how arms move. Unfortunately, IFAB don't.

[@joereynolds5476]

​@@scottmackintosh5934What do you think of the handball penalties at Hibs and Motherwell on Saturday?

[@scottmackintosh5934]

@joereynolds5476 I think the Hibs one is a handball. Arm is needlessly high, away from the body and it looks so unnatural to block the ball in that way. The Halliday one looks harsh as the ball is blasted at him, however, it's a case where the ball has been struck and the player looks scared of the ball, turns his head away and puts his arm up in fear. People will say that he doesn't have time to react but this is wrong. He does react. He has time to duck and put his arm in the air. I think it looks harsh but is a penalty. Although I don't like giving handball, I would probably give these decisions as penalties. I know I would get stick for the Halliday one but I'd do my best to explain it lol

[@Torky1965]

It's a good thing that Collum is reviewing these decisions but at the end of the day it's just proving what the supporters of every club think already, that's that our referees are totally incompetent. The only way to stop decisions being subjective is to make it clear what's a red card, because I think Souttar's was, what constitutes a penalty this above the elbow and below the elbow or whether the arm is close to the body or away from it are all open to opinion, in my view take the subjectivity out of it and make it clear that's a penalty if it hits the arm, whether it be soft or not. If these guys on VAR are trained properly they should all come to the same conclusions but the fact that they don't proves to me again that the referees are just incompetent.

[@johnalistanton3176]

Var team say Souttar deliberately moved his arm towards the ball. Ref then says he doesn't. Incompetence at it's best!!

[@DavidTrotter-pg4wm]

Interesting that the referee from the St.Mirren v Kilmarnock game was downgraded to a championship game the following week, and was hopeless in that game as well. Maybe if Mr Collum started looking at the standard of refs below SPL level then maybe that would improve the full level of referees. But of course he just wants to pander to the big teams

[@headshrinker8595]

I need to take my meds, I like this Wullie Collum!!!

[@sec5574]

Can he release the audio for the Johnston handball and explain why he lied about an offside when there was no mention of it at the time of the incident?

[@paulbevins4334]

ok so if were going back to that awhy dont we go back the connor goldson save , get a grip and move on was offside before the handball, not hard to understand, unless your names billy and your from govan ofcourse 🤡🤦‍♂️

[@steviezx1818]

Very intresting! Yh i like this reveiw!

[@pg232323]

Terrible Shirt Gordon is wearing. Willies is spot on though

[@thegangster4481]

Good video again but I do find it interesting they failed to comment on the obvious encroachment of the Rangers defender into the box before the Hibs penalty was taken. Deliberate or just an honest mistake?

[@robertkerr4635]

The rules on that are that the encroachment must have an impact on the penalty kick, so it’s likely not relevant here. I don’t think it impacts the penalty taker. Same goes for if the player scores and it was a Hibs player who encroached. I think it only really comes in to play if a rebound happens.

[@bellers23]

You'll never see a more clear cut case for VAR to get involved than Rooney deliberately kicking Vassell and yet it decides to simply do nothing. The sooner VAR is scrapped the better for me.

[@SMFCPaisley]

Oh my god they’ve not even looked at Tansers red card against Motherwell would love to see him explain that decision

[@godwears7]

love these. keep it up.

[@jamesneeson9825]

So where was the VAR behind the goal with the goalies foot on the line ? The shot that was chosen looking from the front looked out of focus and did not show clearly that his foot was on the line. The Var to the rear would have been a far better angle to allow a correct decision to be made .

[@Stand_Free]

23:48 going on about the goalkeepers foot on the line and nothing about the attacker and defender already a couple of yards inside the box before penalty’s taken 😂😂

[@COYBIG1967]

The Casey handball was a red imo. The players do my head in at times tok tho because you heard the ref having to tell the players it’s being reviewed and why many times but football players feel they can try and bully refs, that wouldn’t happen in rugby for example , I’m not saying I don’t understand ppl getting pass on aye but the players should have to be warned half a dozen times to let it be checked

[@COYBIG1967]

Only in football would fifa bring in a video system and decide but we can’t use it for second yellows, we’ve brought in video assistance but let’s make a rule that’s really not needed for any reason to make it tough yet to use the videos assistance . Unreal

[@TheKerso2001]

The hand ball rule annoys me. Miller may hit his hand but shouldn't be disallowed even if it did. If this was a defender then pen wouldn't be given as considered in natural position. Can't be one rule for attacker and another for defender

[@scottmackintosh5934]

It's a relatively new rule. A few years ago it was worse. The person assisting the goal couldn't accidentally hand ball from a natural position either.

[@utopia3161]

MOTHERWELL PENALTY AGAINST, AND PLAYER SENT OFF, NEVER, BALL STRIKES HIS CHEST AND SHOULDER, GREAT BLOCK , NEVER A PENALTY AND PLAYER SHOULD NEVER BEEN SENT OFF, CELTIC FAN HERE

[@d4v1d-m-78]

No mention of the rangers player in the box at the hibs penalty?

[@keynoteFlyer]

That rule’s actually changed David but I’d like to have seen the VAR review of Butland being off his line when the ball was kicked.

[@edwardmclean3365]

​@keynoteFlyer they literally showed it in the video..

[@FrazzGTF]

Learn the rules. No encroachment.

[@d4v1d-m-78]

@@FrazzGTF but he was in the box when the penalty was taken, What are the rules?

[@FrazzGTF]

@@d4v1d-m-78 The player isn't interfering with play. See law 14. "A team-mate of the goalkeeper is penalised for encroachment only if: the encroachment clearly impacted on the kicker; or the encroaching player plays the ball or challenges an opponent for the ball and this prevents the opponents from scoring, attempting to score or creating a goal-scoring opportunity"

[@IronBhoy]

Two tubes on KZbin at the same time.

[@Macjohn18]

Is Gordan the only man in the media in Scotland these days?

[@stevo7163]

I love VAR, the drama and now the review explanations. Fans need to start being consistent with unbiased views, not the refs

[@bonusbertie]

Spot on mate

[@joereynolds5476]

You're in the minority, then.

[@Chazthefurr]

Much prefer the game without VAR however they do it. I blame those TV analysts with their mulitiangle replays who probably created VAR in the first place. The game is the 2 teams, the referee controls the best he can and may always make mistakes. As long as there isn't any crowd-influenced club bias (!!! what in Scotland) I much prefer the old way of doing things! No going back now though. A pity. Those delays spoil the game for the spectators in the stadium and games often finish 10minutes later too. C'mon guys we have a Saturday night to enjoy too.

[@oliveryoung6402]

“Hand in the nether regions”😂

[@adamsmithintin2803]

The first VAR situation seems like an honest mitsake, i think he was going to left then chose to go right

[@stewrmo]

Worst referees in Europe. Shocking.

[@jordanstrickland6042]

Is that mark Guidi on the var team when Dan Casey gets sent off ??? Sound identical

[@kevinjamieson]

Really like wullies jumper Gordon should take notes...

[@Macjohn18]

Is Gordon the only man in Scottish media ffs. He's on everything.

[@jonrell]

The Dessers jersey holding should be a Penalty. However the St Johnstone goalkeeper is being fouled by being deliberately held by a Rangers player

[@scottmackintosh5934]

I agree. As a referee, you have to punish the worst offense. Would you book either the defender or McAusland. If 1 is a booking then that is the decision you give, if both are bookings or none are bookings then you punish whatever happened first.

[@alansmith7647]

More bull crap from the Head of Officialdom. Proximity mattered in previous weeks but doesn't matter because of the arm position. Scales initial position is side on and turns his body; his arm isn't in an unnatural position while performing a natural movement. And at the point of contact, when the ball hits Scales, his arm is flexed at the elbow and not above shoulder height. These refs are quick to challenge and ask people to try putting themselves in the refs position. Maybe its time these guys experience and see for themselves what actual body movements and motion look like.

[@joereynolds5476]

They haven't a clue when it comes to natural movement.

[@mjudec]

In fairness VAR overturned that one. Can see why it was given on field but this is an example of var doing its job, not sure why that's upset you.

[@vicsummers7143]

Encroachment is clear in the Souttar hand ball - should have been retaken

[@lanspectre3417]

Not since the law change in the summer. Encroachment is now only punished if the encroaching player has an impact i.e. if an encroaching defender stops the goal/clears the ball or an encroaching attacker scores

[@FrazzGTF]

Learn the rules

[@mjudec]

Vic, you know IFAB's laws of the game are available for free online or as an app. It would look better for you to read them before publicly making comments about their application.

[@mrques2x115]

40% were incorrect decisions according to Collum. That sees to indicate that the overly complicated system doesn't work and it still comes down to a subjective decision (excluding goalline and offsides).

[@shinerstef]

Some people need to learn the rules that include refs. Fkn shambles sometimes.

[@Lstu91]

That first one was never " brutality" 😂😂

[@ABee-qv8lg]

Dessers penalty? Rangers player holding the keeper as the corner is coming in.

[@jay18881kay]

Rangers Defender is about 3 yards away when Hibs hit the Penalty but they won't look at it

[@robertmcclelland4235]

Learn the rules.

[@utlr8313]

@@robertmcclelland4235encroachment,

[@amac6483]

Act of violent conduct should be a 5-game ban, minimum.

[@5ive5ingerDiscount]

So thats what Gordan Duncan was wearing before the Marks emergency 😂

[@wolfenstein6676]

VAR, complete and utter crap since 'day one' and still complete and utter crap as of right now. Get it in the bin.

[@tylerrolland3227]

What about Celtics disallowed goal v st Johnstone

[@mjudec]

Still trying to come up with a sellable excuse for why it was correct decision...

[@6991cg]

Who is here for the VAR decisions and who is here for Gordon's diva behaviour?

[@GoogleMeAgain]

The only thing that makes it not a penalty is it was a Celtic player

[@jackjones1249]

You cant get a penalty from the ball hitting the shoulder.🤣

[@ukwupdates3509]

Tavs penalty counts down with this new development and add Sevco losing at least nine points not getting dubious decisions due to We willies KZbin VAR review. Virtually Assisting Rangers is done 😂👍✅

[@jamesneeson9825]

Not deliberate ??? If he lifts his arm to block the flight of the ball surely that is deliberate .

[@IronBhoy]

Still a complete Joke. Ridiculous referees trying their best to influence games..

[@THEJAGGEDGOD]

Surely the height of the ball above the player in the Rangers V St Johnston game has to be taken into account, he was never getting that, and he had a hold on the keeper too

[@mjudec]

To be honest I would probably like all shirt pulls at corners to be penalties regardless of impact. It's utterly needless and brainless. Make it a penalty 100% of the time and it will be gone within a month. And without any significant impact on the game.

[@iainmackay3084]

Time to bin VAR now, the fans who go through the turnstiles don’t want it

[@scotlandthebrave6210]

This should be good. I'll post what I think and what team benefits at end. Wonder if it will be rangers again 🤔

[@gaddafis566]

Wit lodge was this done

[@joereynolds5476]

The Celtic and Hearts players' arms weren't in unnatural positions. When are you going to understand that you don't play football with your arms down or the ridiculous "tucked in"? When was that ever a natural position?

[@mjudec]

The hearts player nearly catches the ball FFS. Hands come up in front as he's side on to the travel of the ball. Blatant deliberate handball.

[@joereynolds5476]

​@@mjudecIt's still the expected position.

[@mjudec]

@@joereynolds5476 Expected if you're trying to punch the ball away. His arms come up as the ball is played to block it. It's as clear a handball offence as you'll see. No idea why there are people moaning.

[@archiehendry-f6s]

It was a penalty it hit below his shoulder they must be blind the ball moved his wrist

[@joereynolds5476]

His wrist was in the natural position, then.

[@Fedgeasaurus]

Right. The Motherwell game. 15 Minutes in. Jesus. The Refs are getting too much power. They remind Me of a security guard with a Vis Vest who thinks He owns the entire building. Far too Much power taking the game away from the players who were both born and trained hard for the skill. Need to put the Lid on this as they're going to totally destroy a bad enough league as it is. C'Mon Now Behave. They'll be wanting to sign Autographs next be Jizus. The full VAR Laws need to be looked into. This, Big Toe on the offside, is pathetic. It should be the full body. They're doing the full thing wrong. It's so annoying and they're ruining the game. Get It Sorted. FULL BODY AND NOT AN INCH. PATHETIC RULE. Killing The Game 😡😡😡

[@rikkihorn4301]

Again full of Celtic fans disagreeing with the decisions involving rangers some things will never change.

[@josephmaxwell5033]

Willie, you got that last one completely wrong. Dessers was never getting the ball, the defender in front of him cleared the ball with a full header. However, there should have been an on field review by the referee it was his call to make, was it a foul in the box?

[@mjudec]

It should have been a penalty. Lamping a striker at a corner isn't ignored because a defender in front clears the ball. As someone who bemoans the number of penalties Ibrox get, I'm in the weird place of saying they should have had one here. Any manager who doesn't train shirt pulling in the box (or anywhere) out of his players has failed miserably in my view.

[@dmgsoultogetherness6667]

forensic check ? lol

[@madstanwan]

Willie Chollum doing his best to justify a clear penalty to Hearts there. His arm is nowhere near in a natural position.

[@mjudec]

That's not what's made it not a penalty. Did you listen to the words used? It's not a penalty because it doesn't hit the arm on a place where it's punishable. It hits what IFAB consider the shoulder. How you feel about that is your business but we either consistently apply the rules per IFAB or we don't. The interpretation of the rule there was correct.

[@madstanwan]

@@mjudec his arm is in an un-natural position. We’ve all seen penalties given (and this season) for decisions like that. Whether it’s accidental or not, his hand is up and the result of that has blocked the ball. He’s at it.

[@mjudec]

@@madstanwan Again, it hits him above the armpit line so isn't classed as handball, regardless of arm position.

[@madstanwan]

@@mjudec his hand is up by his face. The ball hit his arm. It is a penalty by definition. That’s not my opinion that is the rule. Period.

[@mjudec]

@@madstanwan Are you talking about Scales? If so I suggest you look at the IFAB laws, and the very handy illustrations of which part of the arm constitutes handball and which part doesn't. Then compare it to the Scales footage. Also, that very much is your opinion and not the rule.

[@andymcaleer4163]

2 kicks and your oot, c'mon

[@WilliamKelt]

It's should a pen kick var was look it

[@dmgsoultogetherness6667]

A var? u mean Glayvar

[@martinreynolds5905]

Of course rangers denied a penalty…sfa pandering to the hordes

[@DMin1888]

Hahaha the utter delusion from you lot is unparalleled. Always cheated never defeated.

[@mjudec]

Rangers get a huge number of penalties and more notably give away almost none despite incidents. However, this Dessers incident was a penalty. And had it been given nobody could complain. There is no justification for shirt pulling. It's a foul everywhere on the pitch, it's not a grey area. It is unlawful. I'd have every single shirt pull punished and within a few weeks nobody would do it. And it wouldn't negatively affect their ability to defend.

[@youknow880]

Cherry picking incidents usually in favour of Celtic and The Rangers. Same old Glasgow referees refereeing Glasgow teams, in fear of getting windows panned in etc

[@pauldoherty975]

Wullie what about the defender encroaching a defending teams player in box the law is a re take

[@cham8556]

No it’s not. Changed this year law 14. Only penalised if the player has an effect which he doesn’t

[@FrazzGTF]

It's not the law though is it? Maybe you should know what you're talking about before posting nonsense.

[@cham8556]

@@FrazzGTF just is though mate. Straight from the IFAB website for this seasons rule changes: ‘Player encroachment can be difficult to detect and manage, especially at the lower levels of the game, where there may be no neutral assistant referees. However, it can easily be identified by the video assistant referee, and if Law 14 were to be applied strictly, most penalty kicks would be retaken. Since encroachment rarely affects the outcome of the kick (only if the ball rebounds into play), the same principle should apply to player encroachment as to goalkeeper encroachment, i.e. it is penalised only if it has an impact.’ But it’s because the refs are all masons isn’t it

[@FrazzGTF]

@@cham8556 I didn't mean to reply to you mate. Was the guy who made the initial comment.

[@cham8556]

@@FrazzGTF 😂 no worries. Still in agreement that refs are masons though eh? 😆

[@sugarman4354]

Scales arm wasn't in an unnatural position. How do you twist/turn towards the play with your arms tight by your side? As for Soutar the logic is ridiculous. If an attacker is through on goal & a defender pulls the attacker down it's a red card every time no matter if the keeper has a chance to make a save or not? Souttar's handball stopped a goalscoring opportunity in the same way. If the criteria is for a goalscoring opportunity. Then Soutar must see red too. Could be seen as unfortunate but what's the difference?

[@mjudec]

We (referees based outside Scotland) agree it should have been a DOGSO red.

[@joereynolds5476]

​@@mjudecScales'arm wasn't in an unnatural position, and neither was Souttar's.

[@mjudec]

@@joereynolds5476 Souttar's arm was only in a natural position if he was a goalkeeper. Scales I'm on the fence with but the point remains it was overturned for not being a handball, not for a natural position of the arm.

[@sugarman4354]

@@joereynolds5476 Hmm, I don't think it was in a natural position & he made a slight movement towards the ball with his arm. He was facing the danger while Scales had his back to the play. Still Soutar was unlucky as he had to throw his body in the way but he ultimately stopped a goalscoring opportunity. I always thought that was a red card offence? I guess it's not.

[@joereynolds5476]

​@@mjudecThat's a natural position for the body movement. Unfortunately, too many, including IFAB and referees, think an arm away from the body can't be a position which is a consequence of body movement. Where should his arm have been? Don't say by his side, because that is never a natural position, even though we hear the ridiculous "arm was in a natural position by his side".

[@graemedouglas3859]

Wullie couldn't make it as a footballer, referee...so he was handed the head of refereeing post so he could talk like. Police officer about forensics of decisions 😂 the games a joke these days! "The VAR" 3 grown men in a booth full of teles running the game 👌🏻 looking back on it only goes to show the VAR is a waste of time...clear red card ignored in mirren game, and no chat about retrospective cards! Pre var celtic players were retrospectively banned for grazing a rangers players knee off the ball 😂😂😂 Mon wullie clean he game up, don't pander to folk with these awful videos of you treating errors with the same grace as correct decisions!

[@scotlandthebrave6210]

Yep like I thought. I said I'd watch it first then give my opinion. Rangers benefit just like last months. Butland foot was off the line should have been retaken the hibs pen. They paused it before the hibs player hit the ball. Rfc always cheating and still not winning trophies. There fan base accept second best now as celtic are the most succesful team in scotland with the most major trophies 118 and counting. I will not reply to bigots so cry away. Goodbye 👍

[@michaelhickland4450]

Exactly look at it closely his foot was an inch off the line

[@UnkaDave]

No it wasn’t. Fair play they got it right. Clowns

[@JK-ff1ft]

Go to specsavers

[@deanmcgowan3485]

His foot is not off the line at all

[@deanmcgowan3485]

U can clearly see it's on the line

[@danxzon]

Same old var what colour jersey you are wearing

[@alexcuthbertson9808]

Tell you what that m&s clobber Gordon looks good mate lol

[@rippedtorn2310]

Where’s Maeda’s disallowed goal against St Johnstone??