The VERY Messed Up Origins™ of Corpse Bride | Folklore Explained

[@Moomoo-tz2jv]

You missed a very important part of the story of the finger that when bride is dying shira Felt pity for her “She knelt over the remains of the corpse bride, hugged her, and mumbled and sang a promise: “Don't worry, I'll live your dreams for you, I'll live your hopes for you, I'll be your children for you, I will have enough children for both of us and you can rest in peace. ”She also promised the funeral bride that she would never forget her. With her bones in her arms, she went to the river bank and carefully buried them there, with the wedding dress arranged and the wedding ring on her finger. The corpse seemed happy, as if she knew her wishes were being granted. The young bride then married her groom in a solemn ceremony and they lived happily ever after. The story of the funeral bride was always told to all of her children and grandchildren so that it would not be forgotten. I like this Folklore that it shows the two women supporting each other. It a very sweet story

[@despinasgarden.4100]

That's honestly very wholesome :)

[@shayramelendez7386]

this is so beautiful.

[@hereisahuman5977]

That is ridiculously sweet

[@thundahsenshi150]

I wish they had included something like this between Victoria and Emily in the film. Like have her recite the promise to her as she’s turning into butterflies.

[@ashleycook6025]

Agree with your first points but want to add: "back in the day" men had a problem of not taking marriage seriously. And it seems like these stories were a warning against that. I also feel like the end of Corpse Bride there was a moment where Emily realized how happy Victoria would be with Victor and that the she and Victoria were alike in their love for Victor, but the two living lovers had a chance to have a full happy life together. Hopefully, because the laws of the living (or victorian England for that matter) don't apply in the land of the dead they made a nice throuple when they met again. Or at least remained good friends.

[@DoomedPaladin]

"I can give you seven minutes." I laughed way too hard at this one.

[@KarmicDread]

And then he fed her grapes and brushed her hair..

[@lovely1641]

@@KarmicDread lmao!

[@darthhempress]

Omg same. I was dyinggggg/ no pun intended.

[@redwitch12]

I was having a nice bowl of chicken noodle soup. I missed shooting a noodle out of my nose by the narrowest of margins :D

[@clarejennings5049]

7 minutes in heaven

[@prettyfreaknordinary7982]

"they were smacked in the face with a tree branch, killing them." Me: *who has had their fair share of tree branch bitch slaps* "I feel their pain."

[@kristinwiebold2433]

Well cant blame the tree for smacking them because they were were sleeping with " HER" husband

[@prettyfreaknordinary7982]

@@kristinwiebold2433 I love how all the husbands were basically like "it's just a prank bro!"while the corpse brides/demons were all like "nah come clap the dust out these boney cheeks!"😂

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

I have a cousin that got his head stuck on a tree when we were kids. He had to get staples. He had a really cool Nike swoosh scar on his head after that.

[@SwoleWolfHasAHandlebarMustache]

@@MargaritaOnTheRox lol if his name was Harry that would be friggin awesome

[@SwoleWolfHasAHandlebarMustache]

@@MargaritaOnTheRox I have a scar on my forehead but I got it from slidin' on a rug &hittin' a corner it's small but noticeable but only a small line

[@maxs.1299]

Corpse bride came out about two years before my baby brother passed away, I was only around 5. Corpse bride meant so much that it became my first special interest. It helped me not view death as being a bad thing, just a change. It means a lot to me

[@Logitah]

That was probably the intended purpose of that tale! ❤

[@JonSolo]

that's beautiful that you were able to take get so much value out of the movie during a dark and confusing time in your childhood. I'm sorry for your loss Max

[@mariatrinitymya8618]

@@JonSolo 😱 OMG! I am your big fan. I even skipped my study times to watch your videos. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are soooooo amazing.

[@Dingy-doodles]

@@mariatrinitymya8618 dude wrong time

[@jessicabarrett3631]

I love how you interpreted the film at such a young age. That's very cool and pretty amaizing

[@kristinwiebold2433]

I like the first story and how the pastor took what the dead bride was saying seriously and there was a meeting to settle everything. While they were trying to fix the situation, pastor should have asked the woman's name so they could see if she had been murdered like the corpse bride or if it was something else. But it was also good they buried her properly. Glad the groom got in trouble for not taking his vows seriously. I mean seriously who jokes with wedding vows??

[@siege824s8]

Who jokes with wedding vows? Have you seen the divorce rate these days

[@anez1266]

@@siege824s8 But that's the modern day In those olden days, wedding vows were TRULY sacred and never to be taking lightly, so it kinda makes sense that the Rabbi wanted to hear the corpse bride side of story and properly give a good verdict to the situation

[@dakotamabry1645]

@@anez1266 wrong about that divorce was extremely difficult to get - so you were kinda stuck with what you got . Their are many examples where men found ways to ditch their wife - one being where technically not legal but was allowed where a man would sell his wife like slaves - it was typically a degrading process for the woman he'd usually sell her as cheap as possible.. one power woman have is if the husband asked for her back she could refuse and very few came back , because even if the man paid 2 pennies for her atleast she wanted her .. close to maybe 60 years ago it was extremely hard to get a divorce and wasn't uncommon for grown men to marry 14 year old girls .. my Gammy was married at 16 - you just needed parental consent and she didn't stay with him .. if you look up the laws most states still say it's legal . I reccomend you don't look it's awful they can be as young as 12

[@siege824s8]

Also it was a Rabbi not a pastor to complete different religions That like calling a Mexican person Chinese

[@anez1266]

@@siege824s8 Sorry for my ignorance 😔

[@aliciatucker3713]

If I recall my Jewish/Eastern European traditions correctly, the idea of becoming a "Lilith's daughter" derives from the concept that when a girl dies unmarried and without children she has died in a cursed state. Because of this she spends her unlife tormenting others with her anger and vengeance, taking their children and trapping those who don't take the traditions seriously. Like the Celtics banshee, she is viewed as an avenging spirit, but not evil. She IS the reminder to reverence the continuity of generations and that everyone, no matter who, deserves their place in the line. As to the English vs Jewish/Eastern European traditions, older pre-Christian traditions linger. With how widespread the tradition of marrying off the dead was and still is it's not a surprise that someone like Tim Burton would make a movie about it.

[@WeRNthisToGetHer]

Lillith reminds me of the Hindu goddess Khali.

[@aliciatucker3713]

@@WeRNthisToGetHer Or the Egyptian goddess Sekmet, who by coincidence also has the lioness as her animal companion/representation.

[@barbarahouk1983]

Lilith was Adam's first wife. Few Christians know this but Jewish scholars know of this. I find it interesting both stories have a pre wife. That wife is not suitable for a living man.

[@aliciatucker3713]

@@barbarahouk1983 I personally like to to see it like there is a villain Eve vs a Hero Eve much like Spider-Man vs Venom kind of thing.. or in Egyptian tradition Isis as Hathor vs Sekmet

[@the_demon_cat337]

Huh not saying your wrong by any means just wanted to get that out of the way first. I always though it was tied to the fact that lilllith has so many children like mother of demons and all that. Or to the consept of lil (I definitely spelt that wrong forgive me) the thing there pretty sure Lilith was based on.

[@marievanderlinde9322]

Corpse Bride just has to be one of Tim Burton’s best movies.

[@tayloredwards4968]

I have to agree I love this movie

[@Style_224]

For me it second next to nightmare before christmas

[@PuzzlePinkdolltuber]

Ikr

[@kasumiyamato7540]

I hated the fucking end of that movie.😭

[@LinkinParkLover2012]

Yessss 👏👏👏

[@nr63kish]

The thing about the Corpse Bride isn't that he wasn't taking the vows seriously, or playing a joke, he was practicing because he was super nervous, and placed a ring on what he thought was a tree branch. It's like people who try to say a speech in front of a mirror, or rehearse in their mind what they're supposed to say. With that said, I could agree that this was LOOSELY based on those stories, but the intent or actions that lead to them wasn't anywhere near the same.

[@JonSolo]

Correct! The morale for the movie is definitely not the same as the stories. I never said it was, but many seem to be confused and think I did.

[@nix_]

​@Symphony Night She did kidnap and hold him hostage so of course Victor was using her to get back.

[@fairyblu6929]

@Symphony Night no one said the moral of the story was different. No one was even saying that he wasn't being rude. We're saying that the moral intent with the vows SPECIFICALLY were different. In the story, he was saying it as a joke, which was wrong to do as they are sacred and should be taken seriously at all times. In the movie he was simply practising because he was nervous and just so happened to practice by the tree where the Corpse Bride was buried. So in fact in the movie it would be considered null and void cause forst of all she's dead, so death had parted them already. And second of all, the vows weren't reciprocated by her and were not officiated by a Priest/Rabbi so they weren't official to begin with, a fact that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned in the movie.

[@fairyblu6929]

@Symphony Night also, as with him being rude, he absolutely was being rude. No doubt about it, he used her and ignored her and dismissed her very often in the beginning of the movie. But it's sort of understandable. Not to be used as an excuse or justification, but it has reasoning. I mean, this random woman that's halfway decayed and buried beneath this seemingly normal tree that you just so happened to practice your vows in front of suddenly comes to life and claims to be your wife and drags you to the literal land of Death. This all happens the day before your wedding, of which you are not emotionally or physically prepared for. I think his actions and overall attitude during the film were understandable as they were pretty much a reaction to a somewhat traumatic event and really it was the Corpse Bride's fault to begin with. Especially given that all of that was done without his consent or knowledge in the first place. And he atleast decided to properly apologise to her after he realised he hurt her and was even willing to marry and die for her to make her feel better. So while his actions were wrong, the reasoning behind them were rather understandable.

[@rc1411]

Why is everyone arguing over a cartoon? Seriously, wtf people? Can't you guys just all watch a really good cartoon without throwing shit at each other in KZbin comments?

[@srg24601]

Ok but imagine the kids from the second story going to school and drawing their family and the poor teachers having to listen about mommy, daddy, and tree mommy that daddy visits in the night

[@catandrobbyflores]

Tree mommy helping with homework.

[@mitsuhadreemurr9857]

i lost it at tree mommy LMAO

[@sarahwatts7152]

@@catandrobbyflores "They didn't teach algebra THIS way in the underworld!"

[@FilmmakeroftheFuture]

They’d see “tree mommy” as the other woman the teachers would.

[@isabellajemica]

Tree mommy,that sounds kinda cute

[@diegos7337]

I think this are the morals of the Story Story 1. Be careful with paying Jokes in wrong moment at the wrong time. There are moments you cannot play certain jokes and show respect. Story 2. Be clever and learn how to approach conflict instead of been evil with the Demon and burning her tree, she Wife negotiated and was kind to her until she decided to leave.

[@Aki-kh2qe-StreetKidZZZ]

Story 3 don't get married, it leads to disaster

[@SoranotRoxas]

Corpse Bride is one of Tim Burton's underrated movies. Nice to see somebody besides me actually remembers it 👌

[@jennybrown7834]

I like it too, the story is interesting and the soundtrack is great

[@tiffanystewart9265]

i worship this movie

[@crunchybubblewrap]

dam, tim burton is a legend. the claymation really boosted the theme factors of it.

[@tiffanystewart9265]

@@crunchybubblewrap iv written fanfics of this movie

[@sam_laufeyson_monroe]

Underrated? Most of the people I know who love Tim Burton have said that Corpse Bride is their favourite movie. I just love all of his movies. I couldn't bring myself to pick a favourite.

[@adakru5300]

I'm really happy you covered a Jewish folktale. It's always really nice and interesting to learn about more stories from my people, especially when it's so rare to see it covered in the first place.

[@JonSolo]

aw no problem! there are so many incredible, but lesser known stories from other cultures that deserve the spotlight and I try to give it to them!

[@justinabakugou5813]

@@JonSolo I have a request um can do the messed up origins of Echo? I think you already did that but I really love your videos and I'm a big fan of Greek Mythology.....you don't have to though I understand....you must be very busy

[@SaschaV]

@@justinabakugou5813 There is one of Narcissus, if you're interested. He's one of my favourite figures in mythology so I jumped on that video right away.

[@justinabakugou5813]

@@SaschaV okay😇

[@michaellynes3540]

I interpreted as almost a hierarchy. The land of the living symbolizes as the upper class, living the life of luxury, and the middle class, working for a living. And the land of the dead symbolizes the proletarians and the immigrants struggling to make a living.

[@maieen2665]

9:26 Ah, yes; the “It’s Just a Prank, Bro” defense. I haven’t seen _The Corpse Bride_ but after watching this video, I might check it out. I also don’t mind more wholesome _Messed-up Origins™️_ videos. I wish everyone a happy thanksgiving tomorrow. If you don’t celebrate thanksgiving, I wish you a pleasant day nonetheless

[@ScarlettDragon07]

Only this time it was a legitimate defense lol

[@Alizai_clynx]

It's on Netflix

[@ghomegarden6236]

The corpse bride, is a good movie. One of the best in my opinion Tim Burton has created.

[@ghomegarden6236]

@@Alizai_clynx it's not on mine, they only have it in certain places.

[@miasummer2978]

Happy Thanksgiving!

[@613aristocrat]

I'm with you on the morals being taught. Promises are one of the most serious things in Jewish culture, and breaking promises only leads to misfortune and pain. There are enormous sections of law regarding promises.

[@taekwongurl]

I was an adult when Corpse Bride came out and I found the concept actually terrifying. Also, claymation upped the creep factor of that movie.

[@ToastyBrain]

Supposedly one of the animators had nightmares due to how the animation process was done with facial expressions.

[@littlesongbird1]

If I recall, some variations give the back story on the corpse bride. She was killed on her way to what would have been to meet her promised groom and buried in a shallow grave. Also in some variations Shira actually mourns for the corpse bride and promises her that she will never be forgotten and she and Reuven will always tell her children and grand children about her so she will never be forgotten.

[@juliamavroidi8601]

Apparently it was common for Antisemites to specifically seek out jewish brides and kill them to prevent procreation amongst Jews. Gives the bride's instance on being remembered a whole other dimension.

[@celticpoet21]

Awesome job and excellent parallels! For the movie specifically, Emily's backstory also reminds me of an old American ghost story based on a haunted spot called "Emily's Bridge". In the 19th century, Emily is a young woman who falls in love with a handsome man who asks her to marry him (in most versions, he convinces her to elope). They would often meet at a special bridge that runs over the Golden Brooke and they make the bridge their meeting place before running off together. Emily goes to the bridge at the appointed time, but her beaux doesn't show up. There are different versions as to what happens next-stricken with rage and heartbreak, some say Emily either hanged herself from the bridge, threw herself from off said bridge and drowned herself or drove the horses drawing the cart she is sitting in, crashes them into the Brooke and kills herself in the crash, or the possibility that she was murdered. Legend says that her ghost haunts the bridge.

[@bambicrandi]

I remember reading a tale about a bride running away to marry a rich man, who then kills her in the woods. I can’t for the life of me find the story.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

@@bambicrandi Wouldn't be surprised if it was the plot of some old murder ballad.

[@JacksonApollo]

Yes! This story occurred in Vermont, my home state. It's always wild for me to hear all these stories about origins of the Corpse Bride and see no one mention this story, especially since it's a true story AND her name is Emily! How could it be based on anything else? :/ Hope to hear someone talk about this story soon.

[@rillagorton6141]

Turns out he was just running late.

[@kaygirl10101]

"I am owed an hour of pleasure with my husband" "Best I can do is 7 minutes" Fricken died XD

[@ashleycook6025]

His Living Bride: ummm......wHat?

[@VMST-dr8mc]

Corpse Bride always touches me everytime. Glad to know its origins. Also, Happy Thanksgiving🧡

[@xplicitsaint]

I would hate to have a Corpse Bride touch me. Too clamy tbh

[@morningcoffeeOW]

I wish I was Corpse Bride..

[@greyworld6242]

The finger! I like that in these tales the dead bride wasn’t a antagonistic villain.

[@Logitah]

Exactly! The poor thing was just unable to let go! :(

[@greyworld6242]

@@Logitah yep.

[@yvellebradley2502]

👉🏼🖖🏼👈🏼

[@lizzythequeer3065]

true still shouldn't try and force people to marry you though. also, the finger.

[@gxrdeau5974]

I haven’t watched the full thing yet but I know this is gonna be a good one.

[@stellacondo9334]

The movie is my childhood favorite, im telling you its a really good movie

[@gxrdeau5974]

@@stellacondo9334 I love that movie as well but as a kid I was sad she was dead

[@dragonlynx9969]

The first time I heard the title Corpse Bride is a short story I read in my elementary school library. The story was in Spanish titled La Novia Muerta which could've translated to Corpse Bride, Dead Bride, or Dead Girlfriend since the Spanish word for bride and girlfriend are the same. I remember thinking it was an odd story as a kid. I read it out of curiosity for the title but I didn't see any dead people. It was about this guy who fell madly in love with a girl who wore a scarf that I could sworn was purple 24/7. They were happily married but at some point the girl fell ill. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her until they suggested the scarf she always wears tightly around her neck it's what causing her pain. Her husband pleaded with her to remove it but she refused and asked to be alone. A little after the doctor and husband leave the room she removes the scarf and her head falls off her shoulders and lands on the floor next to her bed. Her eyes close, her pain gone and finally at peace. The story then just ended. It shocked me, but made me realize why it was called Corpse Bride. I haven't been able to find that story ever since. The closest version is The Girl with the Green Ribbon. When the Corpse Bride movie trailer came out I thought about the story from long ago but the movie was very different and I've never heard of the versions Jon just mentioned. Really interesting.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I read that one but it was called the purple ribbon I think.

[@shepherddog1199]

@@catandrobbyflores yellow ribbon

[@catandrobbyflores]

@@shepherddog1199 that was it.

[@Kiiriminna]

There's a claymation short in youtube by Sally Barnett & Steph Whitworth called The Girl with the Yellow Ribbon that's based on this story. Go check it out, if you haven't!

[@dragonlynx9969]

@@Kiiriminna I just did. I swear anything can look creepier in claymation. It was only missing the horror music. 😅

[@viiyaxyz]

Been a huge fan of Tim Burton's movies ESPECIALLY corpse bride so damn I'm super excited for this one rn

[@JonSolo]

amazing! thanks for watching :)

[@windywednesday4166]

The meaning I'm getting from the stories is that you shouldn't let your past relationships infect your current / future relationship. ...as in the ghost of your past spouse coming between you and your new bride. The "ghost" could also be secrets that come out just before the marriage.

[@JenniferShetka-vw2lc]

No ghosts here. Just completely obsessed stalkers, that think they can ACT like they have stalkers. 🎤

[@mickiethompson7324]

I love Tim Burtons movies and Corpse Bride another movie I absolutely loved is Edward Scissorhands. Believe me this movie is gonna make you cry for sure.

[@randomnick2641]

Shhhhhh

[@randomnick2641]

You Bad

[@jacobshore5115]

I’m Jewish myself, and I’m glad to hear some part of my culture told about and represented here. (If only I’d heard these stories in Hebrew school, I might’ve stayed there longer.)

[@christianali5431]

Jewish culture Tells the best ghost stories.

[@Katya_Lastochka]

I thought Jews considered spiritism herecy.

[@Laser-Cat]

​@@Katya_Lastochkanot exactly, we tell those stories to basically say it's not to be messed with. We do believe in the existence of mysticism.

[@MrRaymondworld]

Jon can you do a video on Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Big fan of your vids keep up the good work

[@sjmhadsock4586]

Would make a good Halloween video

[@claudiaramirez9362]

I honestly love Burton's version and Emily will always be a favorite to me especially bc she died without ever actually having a marriage or live her life of a wife. And it's very sad for that poor woman

[@JenniferShetka-vw2lc]

She’s Dead.

[@altounedited3]

So… we just gonna skip the art where Jon said “might as well grow out my pubes” 😂

[@mkaylor121]

You have heard of no shave November

[@altounedited3]

@@mkaylor121 nah but I heard of no 🥜 November

[@wendychavez5348]

YT definitely wants us to skip it, so thank you for bringing it up!

[@limpcheesestick]

@@mkaylor121 skip shave September

[@jasonmorello1374]

In some forms of of old mysticism, demons obey contracts, and it would seem that the slavery bond contract of the old testament applied. After 6 years you have to free them for a year, and either make them a member of your family, or free them permanently, as a mutual agreement. Such things with all forms of demons and spirits are common in many folk legends about demons, though not consistent. There is even some of this in greek mysticism, but I think the times and terms are much different,

[@princesskida4746]

I clicked so quick because the movie corpse Bride is my favorite Tim Burton movie . Excited to watch the video.

[@ma.josefinabelengarcia3796]

I've been searching for a specific tale for Corpse Bride since I heard it was from Jewish folklore and this did not disappoint! Well, except for one thing. I remember reading on a message board that the living bride promised the corpse bride that she would honor her through her marriage to their groom, and it's a shame that it wasn't a part of the original stories

[@silverbullet1620]

Everytime I see Gunther: Gunther: Put me down Human. I don't know where you've been. Why do you touch my personage in such an undignified manner?

[@wendychavez5348]

Consummation actually was an important part of the process. It's part of the reason the wedding sheets were displayed on the morning after; not only to verify that the bride was definitely virginal, but also to show that the deed had been done. Non-consummation was considered grounds to dissolve the union, as was a pre-contract. So Ruben definitely had a case, though the corpse bride did too.

[@jenniferschillig3768]

I remember a rabbi visiting our high school health class to talk about his faith's customs and traditions. (We had a priest, a minister, and a rabbi visit us. Unfortunately, none of them walked into a bar.) He explained that Jewish wedding receptions, in the past, had a room off the area where the couple was expected to do the deed right away, since the marriage wasn't considered legal until it was consummated. He said that Jewish newlyweds still retired to this room for a time out of tradition, but these days, it was more for, "What did the Cohens get us?"

[@PongoXBongo]

@@jenniferschillig3768 Bit creepy sounding that ritual. Nowadays, that's none of the rabbi's, the parent's, or the community's business. Bluring the lines of privacy.

[@5th_cellar]

@@PongoXBongo Wasn't just at Jewish weddings where things like that happened. Christian weddings also had 'bedding ceremonies' where the couple were stripped by their guests and put in the bedroom together. Royal couples had witnesses.

[@Theblue_turtle16]

I was really happy that a film was based off Jewish folklore because I am Jewish even though I never saw this film also my name is the same name as Reuven's bride

[@Logitah]

That's amazing! ❤ I'm really into folktales, so I'm planning to research scary Jewish folktales and ghost-stories more (got really into them after visiting Prague). I'm actually thankful for this movie, since it made people look into the original tale.

[@Theblue_turtle16]

@@Logitah That's amazing

[@jenniferschillig3768]

The version of "The Finger" I read online (in the wake of The Corpse Bride's release) had a somewhat gentler ending: after the tribunal of rabbis had delivered judgement and the corpse bride had relapsed into death (lamenting that she would never know the joys of a husband, a family, and a long life), the living bride picked up her body and carried it to its new grave, promising the departed spirit that she herself would live that life for her and experience it all for her, which gave the dead girl's soul peace at last. Somewhat related is a story that was part of a book called My Grandmother's Stories by Adele Geras, published in the 70s and republished in the early 00s with new illustrations. These are supposedly Yiddish folktales told to Adele by her grandmother--each one is framed by one of Adele's visits to her bubbeh. One of them is about a ghost bride, purportedly encountered by the ancestor of one of Grandmother's elderly friends. This bride died very suddenly, of a stroke or aneurysm or something, as she was waiting to be escorted to the chuppah. The groom mourned, but eventually chose another bride...only to have her call it off as she was visited the night before by the weeping ghost of the previous bride. Said ghost would haunt other brides-to-be, but Grandmother's friend's ancestor broke the curse by simply asking the ghost why she was crying. "I am crying because there is to be a wedding and it will not be mine," the ghost answered. Very reasonably, the bride pointed out that the groom was not the man she had loved, and the bride answered, "But I never got to stand beneath the chuppah, or hear the rabbi's blessing, or drink from the sacred cup. I could rest easily if I could at least be a part of a wedding." So the bride arranged it so the ghost, heavily veiled, would stand in for a willing member of the wedding party. This brought the spirit peace, though she did tell the bride that perhaps she would dance at other weddings now and then, to remind herself of past happiness. Grandmother concludes the story by telling Adele that at the wedding of her friend, the elderly lady who'd had tea with them and who was the descendant of that past bride, she'd spoken to a pale young woman whom nobody seemed to know and who'd never been seen before or since.

[@therandm1-621]

Elder after telling “The Finger” folktale: “So, what is the moral of this story?” Child: “Don’t do the ‘ring on the corpse’ joke in front of two people.” Elder sighs and proceeds to tell “The Tree Demon” folk tale Child: “Oh I get it now!” The elder raises an eyebrow Child: “If the ‘ring on the corpse’ joke goes wrong. Just take her to court or bribe her with jam!” Elder *gives up

[@UrsulaDaSeaWishh]

I love your channel so much John; kindly wanna point out that there is a difference between “according to Judaism” and “according to Jewish folklore”. Lilith is a later addition to Jewish folklore (like Middle Ages later)

[@jonquilgemstone]

Yes! The religion and the folklore are distinct.

[@fanOmry]

It was actually from the first diaspora to babylon.

[@PuzzlePinkdolltuber]

The Corpse Bride is so underrated!! It’s the best Tim Burton Film in my opinion.

[@PuzzlePinkdolltuber]

@Noah Scheid it was okay

[@glossysky.e]

Burton knew that Depp and Bonham Carter would be perfect for these rolls, their chemistry and individual vibes really MADE each and every one of his movies imo. I love both of their work dearlyyyyy

[@Evelcultleader]

Do you know the fungus, dead man’s hand? The dead man’s hand appear on a tree or root that has been injured. As the name implies the fungus appearance looks as if a hand is coming from the ground or tree. I feel like the fungus has something to do with the spread of stories of hand coming from the ground . That’s just my theory.

[@shanayazaveri2620]

That could be absolutely true. That fungus does look like fingers, complete withe the nails

[@crystalgemgirl731]

I read a story once about a demoness and she did, indeed, like jam.

[@LRoshae]

Idk why I cackled so hard after the groom said to the bride,” I got 7 mins” 😂😂😂

[@jaqjynx]

Corpse Bride is a brilliant film. Didn’t know it’s origins so really enjoyed this video.

[@christinap.7856]

OMG Remains of the Day has been in my head all evening and I couldn't figure out why 😂 I freaking love this movie!

[@LukeJazStone]

I always found it especially touching how compatible Victor and Emily discovered they were leading up to the wedding. Then Victoria fighting for her relationship coupled with Victor being fair enough to die and be with Emily put her at peace to see love overcome the financial ties of arranged marriage. Learning the truth behind her death and seeing her fiancée reach his fate, gave the answers and comfort she needed. I notice that in the film and origin stories, the bride is so happy to find her groom, that even in her grim form she trying to show her excitement. Their antics to stop the living from having a relationship/marriage is because she is being denied hers. That's very understandable. I'm surprised the movie didn't find a way to include a joke about promised consummations of marriage and the lasting time argument. Maybe low hanging fruit, but still a comedic element that could tastefully be done.

[@hippiecrack4253]

Aww that second story is so wholesome

[@skyden24195]

Jon: "Granted, I've never heard of demons being that self-aware and willing to embrace change, but I've also never heard of demons being obsessed with jam. So, anything's possible." -There is an idea that there are two types of demons: those that were created/began existing as demons, and those that were created/began existence as a benevolent being but became demonized through some tragic, typically self-caused, event. The latter, having known a benevolent existence, being capable (occasionally) of benevolent actions.

[@sugarcakezz]

I think your fixating on the jam. It was the act not the thing.

[@glorygloryholeallelujah]

Corpse bride is one of my all time favorite Halloween movies! 💖 I never knew the inspiration behind it and I really appreciated learning that it’s not connected to something heartbreaking!!

[@CantStayAway]

Corpse Bride is one of my favourite movies. Emily is so gorgeous, she puts Disney princesses to shame.

[@JenniferShetka-vw2lc]

DEAD GIRLS ARE NOT ALIVE.

[@ambers4075]

Definitely one of the best Tim Burton films but all are amazing ❤️ great video!

[@NaomiHillman]

“The only two actors Tim Burtons knows who exist.” Lol 😂 best line ever because it’s true

[@donovandelaney3171]

The Finger needs a new ending because that's a horrible ending. Vincent should have ended up with Emily. Vincent marries Emily and Emily turns back into a human and comes out beautiful. What a happier ending!

[@Panthersclaw]

Or they enjoy their after lives together as husband and wife. Victor dies and they spend eternity together.

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

Uh, no. Living belong with living. Dead belong with dead and need to stay dead. Haven't you seen Pet Semetery?

[@Logitah]

It's Victor. And the whole point of the film is Emily letting go of her grief.

[@lovely1641]

Yeah but what moral does that teach? "Bad things happen but as long as the main characters get rewarded for it or everything goes back to normal, it's worth it"? No. Even though what happened to Emily wasn't fair, she needed to learn to be at peace with what happened to her because life's not always fair even if it isn't your fault

[@MissCaraMint]

No Victor and Victoria were already in love and ready to actually live and possibli raise a family. Both families also needed this marriage to take place. Emily just doesnt belong. Litterally. She's allready dead and Victor keeping his promis is simply that. Fulfilling an obligation. What kind of future would they have really had together. His life would end and Emily would have felt guilty about cutting his life shirt forever. Frankly the love Emily exibits at the beginning of the movie is more like jealous posessiveness and not the kind og healthy love we see Victor and Victoria share. Basically Emily’s got issues. By the end of the movie she gets to work through said isues and gets revenge on her murderer. She is finally free to enjoy her afterlife, just as Victor is free to enjoy his life. It couldn’t have ended any other way.

[@glmartins]

As a jew, I thank you for, and appreciate a lot about this video. For mentioning Safed (in a time when so many question our indigeneity to Israel), for treating the stories with respect, for giving credit, and more. Regarding pogroms, although the word has a specific origin, it happened throughout our history in the 2000-year diaspora. Look into the Farhud in Iraq, for example. In the jewish world, the word “pogrom” is used to describe any systematic murder/rape campaign against jews (if you’ve ever wondered why jewish people tend to look somewhat similar to the ethnic groups around them, that’s why: rape campaigns). Also, the story of Lilith is technically not a part of Judaism. It comes from jewish mysticism and folklore, and it’s not mentioned in Torah. She’s briefly mentioned by Yeshayahu (Isaiah) in Tanakh, but no description of who she is or where she came from is given, and it might simply be a reference to a demon in Babylonian culture. The Talmud doesn’t mention her in the Mishnah (its core text), but does contain 5 mentions in the Babylonian Gemara (explanations of previous texts), which again makes sense as a foreign influence. As far as I know, the Jerusalem Talmud has none of those. Jewish demonology is mostly folkloric in nature, as a way for everyday people to explain the unexplainable, but rational schools of Judaism fully discard their existence, as everything was created by haShem, but demons wouldn’t have a (positive) purpose in the universe.

[@denyshadials5702]

Thank you, no wonder I couldn’t find any real information on Lilith.

[@Insert-Name-Here16]

The fact that I just finished watching Corpse Bride when the notification popped up

[@JonSolo]

perfect! guess you don’t need the recap then ;)

[@HeatherNickless-vt8zr]

I thought that these stories' (relating to "The Corps Bride") morals are: 1. Don't play around about matters that are a big deal to others or it might haunt you for a long time, 2. Sometimes you have to accept the way things are in a relationship instead of expecting that relationship to go the way you specifically want them to go where pre-engagement is concerned, and 3. Always remember the fine print that come with the Marriage legalities.

[@crimson5163]

O MY GOD!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! I CLICKED SO FAST!😭🖤 Thank you for making a video on it Jon! 🥺🖤

[@YourQueerGreatAuntie]

The story of The Finger reminds me of some Old Irish stories that are used to demonstrate points of legal precedent. This includes the earliest mention of Lucorpan (Leprechauns) in the 9th century Adventures of Fergus Mac Leite, preserved in a legal text

[@JUSTLETMEHAVETGREY]

I fuckin LOVE this amazing movie I think you do it justice.

[@Logitah]

The story may not be based on those horrific murders, but it's not a surprise that it might have resurfaced (pardon the pun) in the 19th century because of them. It's almost eerie how well it fits them! Also, in one version of "The Finger", the living bride pities the dead one after seeing her die again. The living bride promises that the upcoming marriage will also be the corpse bride's marriage and their future children are also her children. After that the dead bride can rest in peace.

[@JenniferShetka-vw2lc]

Lol, Ha ha ha ha those words. You can’t even GO THERE.

[@gohan7926]

AYO I didn’t know you hit a mil! Congrats man!! Been here since the original name so it’s amazing to see you grow so big. You deserve it! Keep it up

[@LucyLioness100]

Burton has always enjoyed creating fairy tales from ‘Nightmare before Christmas (which he wrote, but didn’t direct)’, Edward Scissorhands & of course adapting ‘Alice in Wonderland’ along with this beautifully crafted film. I love the visuals, the performances, Danny Elfman’s score is hauntingly ethereal and I enjoy stop-motion. Jon should do more stop-motion films even if it’s not a Messed Up origin

[@zachtenner1381]

Bro he got to brush demon lady's hair and feed her grapes EVERYDAY ??? Excuse me while I look for finger shaped trees 😩😩

[@yvellebradley2502]

Come hither…🌲🌳 😂

[@thefairestintheland9025]

I think the second story is sweet. Imagine the demon staying in the family through GENERATIONS

[@kandipiatkowski8589]

Good to see Lauren again.....at least she likes showing off your merch even if she doesn't participate in your videos.

[@terminalsarcasm]

I actually watched Corpse Bride for the first ever last night. That scene where Emily told Victoria that she's Victors wife was probably my favorite part of the film. I mean, that poor bastard. How would you even explain that?

[@WhitneyDahlin]

❤️I think it's interesting how in Judaism there are all these legends about accidentally marrying the de ad woman and it's portrayed as a bad thing. In Asia there are also a lot of Legends about mostly women tricked into marrying a d ead man. But it's usually portrayed as a good thing for the woman in the end. I don't really know what it means that in Western Legends it's always a man accidentally marrying a d e ad woman and in Asia it's a woman being tricked into marrying a de ad man. I am sure there is some type of symbolism that I'm just not smart enough to get in the contrasting ways the same Legend is told. But in China and other parts of Asia they have weddings for the de ad still today. I don't really understand a lot of it because I'm not from that culture but look up the marriages for the de a d in Asia explained and it will explain it much better than I can. It's a fascinating subject it is still done today. I tried to post a link but it kept deleting my comment I think because of all the spam comments that post links so now any link automatically results in the comment being deleted. Highly recommend doing some googling yourself if this interests you

[@MargaritaOnTheRox]

I'm curious about why you never spelled dead without a space.

[@WhitneyDahlin]

@@MargaritaOnTheRox some channels on KZbin automatically delete any comments that have the word dead in it. And I wasn't sure if my comment was getting deleted because of the link I was posting or because it was the word dead. There are certain words that the KZbinrs can block and KZbin itself sometimes automatically blocks and deletes any comment that has certain words that can be considered threatening or explicit. I'm just trying to get around the censorship.

[@MusicGirl881]

Happy Thanksgiving 🍁🍽🦃 Solo Fam!! Also Jon I can’t wait to see more Messed Up Origins videos, and I have some suggestions. Growing up I watched a HBO show called Happily Ever After A Fairy Tale For Every Child, where classic fairytales are told in different styles and cultures. From that show there are stories I never heard of before that and some I have. I thought you might be interested in a video on the ones I can remember like the Empress Nightingale, The Happy Prince, The Princess and the Pauper, Rip Van Wrinkle, The Steadfast Tin Soldier, Robinita Hood (Robin Hood) and The Golden Goose. I’m not saying you have to do any of this I just wanted to help and give you ideas for videos. Still I love your content and can’t wait to see the next video. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving with your family Jon!!!

[@Ariel_thenotsolittlemermaid]

Hey, Jew here! Almost everything you said is factually correct, except that the first pogroms were not in the 1800s. The earliest known pogrom was in the 13th century, in England- which brings me to another issue: pogroms were not limited to Russia. You're probably getting confused because the mist famous pogrom (aka the only one people seem to know about) is the Kishinev pogrom, which took place in 1903 in Kishinev (was a part of Russia back then, now is in Moldova). Not saying the tales were inspired by pogroms, but if you're already talking about the subject you should get the historical facts straight. Great video besides that!

[@PandaMonium92827]

Lord Bacchus seems to resemble Blue Beard in a way. No beard, but his face is blue, all be it darker after he died, and then he's revealed to have murdered Emily for her money under the guise of marriage and was planning to do the same to Victoria. Blue Beard was a previously covered folktale about a man who killed his wives and was thwarted by his final bride. The motive and the method of his demise varies based on the version you read, but it was a perfect flavor for the antagonist. I can't believe how long it took for me to realize that.

[@azlilyth5324]

Fellow Jew here. And fyi: In the Demon in the Tree, the demon almost certainly didn't release the man from his promise out of the kindness of her heart. As you stated, the couple entered a Contract with the demon. Contracts are hugely important, serious matters in Jewish culture and religion. From the sounds of it, that contract essentially made the man an indentured servant to the demon (in actuality, a dead Jewish woman). And in Jewish law, indentured servants and slaves alike are required to be offered freedom after 6 years of servitude, i.e. in the 7th year (Shemos 21:2, Parshas Mishpatim; Devarim 15:12, Parshas Re'eh). So yeah, she was following required law, not being kindhearted.

[@manimations7007]

I love this movie! As a kid I didn’t get the chance to watch it right away when it was released in 2005. I had to wait until summer when school was over to watch it. I was visiting a family friend’s cabin in the woods of all places and got to watch it! After watching it I fell in love with the story and the character Emily. She was sweet and caring character that deserved better.

[@glaceongirlakasusie4961]

Video idea: messed up origins of Kingdom Hearts (Union Cross is the most messed up one, it has a war which almost ended the world, and some how it’s a Disney game). It has pretty much almost every Disney movie you have coved so far. Your videos are the best!

[@toraokami5178]

I remember when the game was still called unchained X lol. Now that its finally fully concluded, i suppose I should finally complete the game 🤣 i just got so tired of catching up and waiting

[@amandamguyre8528]

Another important piece is that the story could have been about a Jewish bride who was kidnapped and killed before her wedding, then buried in a shallow grave. That’s what Reuven and his friends found.

[@isaiahadams1996]

Hey, Jon, next time on Messed Up Origins, do Robin Hood and/or The Prince of Egypt. Those two are LONG OVERDUE

[@dezi5695]

This was really cool! I hope you explore more jewish folk lore, I know next to nothing about the culture but would love to learn

[@yamisarkar91]

Moral of the day is... don't marry someone who thinks love and marriage is a joke, or else!! 😅😅😅

[@cierabruns7271]

Another folktale involved a murdered bride and her finger was placed on the contribution dish and when her murderer reached his hand in the finger wrapped around his or other versions say the whole hand grabbed his and she was avenged. Love your channel!

[@froggy12koreangirl]

Happy thanksgiving; and I cannot wait for the lovely deals… now let’s deal… with the bride - have a great day!

[@bloodyneptune]

I feel like that moral of the second story was 'don't let young children run around with their future wedding rings'. I mean, best case scenario they'll lose it. Worst, apparently, they'll marry a demon

[@danielmeredith4222]

I really loved how Jon made these two stories connect and it was just so well put together. I love how the corpse bride stopped him from poisoning himself cuz she knew that if she surrendered then she'd be set free. That's the impression I got. This was very touching and beautiful thankyou Jon Solo:)

[@KitsuyuutsuR]

That’s very interesting. I just recently watched the movie again (for Halloween) and it never occurred to me that it was based on anything other than Tim Burton’s twisted imagination. This was a really cool watch. I hope to see more interesting ones in the future.

[@sentimentalcircuscurator]

Actually when I saw the thumbnail, My first thought was the story with Inez de Castro, the lover of the king that got assassinated, but he loved her so much he had her corpse dug up and transported to his court, placed her remains/skeleton in the throne next to him, and forced everyone at court to show respect to the Queen (they had been secretly married), by kissing her rotting hand. Well thats "the story" anyway, I dont know the "absolute facts", because I cant find out much about them except a picture a really beautiful coffin for Inez. Google sucks more, with every year....I used to find so much good stuff.... now its endless ads instead.....siiiighhh....

[@kristibunny1620]

I’ve never heard of this book. Lilith Cave. Always interested to learn more about recorded early stories! Thank you!

[@kaylaroach7698]

Definitely learned something new with this video. Also thank you for the nightmare fuel from the second story's images.

[@freddymeisner]

As a person with Jewish relatives I appreciated the Yiddish lol

[@melykm4051]

It's really sad he didn't keep the Judaism in it. Could have been something more respectful/educational of another culture instead of stealing it.

[@skadi84]

I came here to hear about the messed-up origins of Corpse Bride, stayed because of the best add/sponsor break ever.

[@shayor09]

My take? I will represent both the ghost and demon brides as exes that guys usually jokingly promise a lot of things and end up marrying someone else. They forget all about that relationship but sometimes in the future it comes back to hunt their marriage. Moral: don’t commit yourself into a relationship you know is never going to work out.

[@TheWholeEntireCake]

I know there’s far more differences than there are similarities between The Corpse Bride and La Llarona but the general themes are along the same vein to me. Both share the plot of resurrection in ghostly form to seek something lost to them. Although La Llarona (in some versions of the lore) voluntarily drowned her kids whereas The Corpse Bride suffered at the hands of another. Both died tragically with something that they felt needed retribution.

[@erinw.9256]

6:35 the art with the kokoshnik is so pretty!! I've got Eastern European and Jewish ancestry on my mom's side and kokoshniks and other headdresses have always fascinated me.

[@packnetadaija]

Corpse bride is one of my favorite Tim Burton movies so yes I’ve seen this! I like the origins behind them, it’s really fascinating

[@joannanorthrup]

In some cultures, its common for a person to "marry" a dead person if they were not married before they passed. I cant say for certain if it was korean or chinese. Look it up. Its a very real thing.

[@Fifipie00]

Thanks Jon, you made my day so much better!!!☺️👍🏻 Great Job on your videos!! Love your content! ❤️❤️

[@Bethelaine1]

In China it is important for the dead to have a spouse, especially the men. Sometimes the families even try to arrange a marriage for them with another dead person’s family.

[@constipatedinsincity4424]

That's a different example for being in one Hell of a Jam !

[@sapphicscavenger7937]

As the official creator of the tiktok videos: BOOOOOOOOOOO

[@gypsyaspen1297]

Then go back and lie about Lilith whose name actually means Purity because she was created by the eiti autonomously directly from the Earth

[@myragroenewegen5426]

I love some of the less typically horror details of this second folktale. A vengefully jealous killer demon may slowly become willing to talk after many small acknowledgements of toast with jam. After making a deal to spendan hour a day with the man she feels entitled to, she may eventually come around to the reason of the human world and retreat whence she came, presumably wiser. This is closer to the appeal of Corpse Bride, because here the monster of death turns out to be, if not completely reasonable, certainly reasoning morally and intellectually. That brings the monster a human complexity worthy, not just of fear, but of respect. It also implies that relating to the people and forces the terrify us in small, consistent, everyday ways can , over time, cultivate understanding and solve problems from both sides of deep divides. Anybody willing to interact with their demons for an hour a day, for the betterment of all involved, is living an accountable and honorable life.

[@zarinaa1135]

Graveyards are very sacred in Judaism. There are many laws about behavior around them, not to mention the numerus burial laws. Certain people aren't even allowed to enter them. (Cohen's, descendants of Aaron the High Priest) so it makes sense that there are Jewish folktales about being careful to stay away from cemeteries and obey the rules connected to them.

[@lisapop5219]

I was in the process of saying the same thing you did regarding the moral of the story minus the part about burial customs. Hadn't thought about that part