The Veterlli Connection

[@Candrsenal]

Excellent reminder of just how hectic the 1860-1890 arms race was! Metallic cartridge, center fire, small bore, repeating magazines, and smokeless all go from unheard of to mainstream in less than 30 years.

[@buckweatable]

Like he mentioned, the broomhandle mauser wouldn't come out until years later but it's still insane to think that we went from front stuffing single shot to semi-automatic magazine fed guns in just the span of 40-50 years.

[@thejohhny2943]

@@buckweatable 30 no 40, 50 years! Kinda not that impressive actually

[@jimvandemoter6961]

Eric, I've been aware of Veterlli rifles for some time, but I never appreciated their importance in firearm development. Great video, thank you for the history lesson.

[@brianmessick5979]

The Italian impersonation was spot on

[@johnbowse4693]

igotta new rifle !!! fugettabout it. lol

[@vandalistica]

Itsa me, Eric 👌

[@Sweetmiseryyy]

the perfect gun to hunt in the bayou

[@Nathan-yf6sx]

And have a showdown with every now and then too

[@conanholmes8620]

Just got to get out with the bounty

[@GiveMeYourNachosButthead]

Iron Sights, Scope or Bayonet version, pick one..

[@jm9371]

Great History lesson. Virtually everything in this video was new to me.. thanks.

[@brentwinkelman1990]

Love my swiss vetterli...it was a great project to convert to centerfire and find a load for it...even harvested a nice whitetail doe with it

[@danlesovsky7134]

You guys have such a unique channel and love your presentation of odd and relatively unknown Milsurp rifles.

[@johnodonohoe7602]

Really well done.Informative and with passion about your chosen interest BRAVO!

[@Qigate]

Eric, this video was so much fun and quite wonderful. Thank you for putting it together especially with all the rifles on the big table to see as well... I could listen to these stories and histories all day... nicely done !

[@GeoffEPotter]

Love my Vetterli that was passed down to me.

[@woohoo2491]

"Welcome back everybody this is Eric the Third from IV8888, It's 2120 and I want to showcase these old guns from 2020 used during the Coronavirus Big Igloo"

[@michaelg5675]

I love firearm history just as much as I love my modern firearms. Keep making these history videos. Great to watch as I polish a bolt and install a new trigger kit on a build.

[@charlessexton1719]

I miss my 1918 terni 6.5x 52 carcano. It was stolen from me during a break in at my old house in new mexico. Since then I have bought 2 more 6.5 carcanos. Both of which were made in 1944. And I shoot them quite often. Awesomw video. Keep up the good work. Thank you for all the i formation you provide to us on a daily basis.

[@riverfeltner1511]

Please do a reloading video for the 78 Vetterli!

[@johnnychimpo8111]

This definitely needs to be a new series. The history is what originally got me into firearms and the preservation of them.

[@justin4323]

Waiting for Ian to show up since Eric was loving on the French.

[@arilagi]

Ian from forgottenweapon ?

[@Foche_T._Schitt]

@@arilagi Nah, Ian from Pasadena California.

[@JoeGarofaloII]

Never heard of the veterlli before. Thanks Eric, that's another few grand I gotta spend to get into those types of guns 😂

[@Perry2186]

Go see some of C and R senals channel videos they deep dive on these rifles

[@JoeGarofaloII]

@@Perry2186 not a bad idea, I've heard good things about him but haven't checked him out yet

[@StarSwarm.]

Joe Garofalo II They’re very long videos but very good. There’s also a lot of them. Get ready to head down the rabbit hole. 😂

[@JoeGarofaloII]

@@StarSwarm. man, and I thought this video was a rabbit hole lol

[@Enes-wj5xq]

Lucky you

[@danm7298]

one of the reasons black powder repeaters werent adopted were the black powder fowling, black powder smoke, the thought that troops would waste ammunition.

[@1949kf]

Regarding the 6.5 carcano sleeved barrel Vetterlis it was a patented special pressed in interference fit . If weapon is in good shape safe to shoot . The sleeve is not a cause for concern. However the rear locking lugs are not as strong as front lug design so heavy loads should be avoided.

[@johnsmall9103]

I'm just now stumbling upon your videos - just wanted to say how much I enjoyed this, and how rare it is to find well-researched information on historic arms. I so appreciate you. It's important to remember that the American stream of innovation from the Civil War to WWI was not happening in a vacuum, and you've shown an amazing lineage of innovation in Europe. There was so much more than John Browning and Paul Mauser going on! Finally, as it happens, I have a Vetterli which has been handed down from my grandfather, who purchased it on the civilian market in the U.S. sometime around 1930. It was his first firearm, and the beginnings of a collection my family continues to enjoy to this day. Thanks so much for your video. PS: If you have any leads on where to find 10.4x38 Swiss ammo (at any price) please share!

[@TiloHalvorsen]

Greetings from Switzerland :) Love your videos!

[@danm7298]

Royal tiger has some 1870/87 Italian vetterli TS carbines for 499 which isnt bad considering how rare they are. rumor has it they may have some 1870 carbines in an unopened crate. theyre sold out of the vetterli 70/87 long rifles.

[@stevef.5197]

Good video. Thanks. This is the stuff I collect.

[@garyrumer153]

I hope you guys make more videos like this as I am very interested in old military rifles.

[@MinutemanMunitionsTV]

More history, more knowledge. Thanks for the lesson!

[@michaelgrimes83]

Love yalls content! Been trying to build my collection slowly but surely getting it built up. When I have questions y’all are the first place I go. Keep up the great work and content. Thank you again.

[@JoeGarofaloII]

I loves me some good firearms/military history content 👍

[@shafty9147]

I have to say I’m always either extremely inspired by, or unbelievably jealous of your collection Eric.

[@findingfreedom1047]

Doing great with the vids as always Eric

[@BillB23]

You ain't Ian or Othias, but it was a nice overview rather than concentrating on one platform.

[@sgtmajtrapp3391]

Outstanding historical review of early bolt guns for military applications.

[@OpaKnows]

It's important to appreciate good firearms, right up until the point they're outlawed and forcibly confiscated, like here in Canada.

[@conanholmes8620]

As a austrailan i agree.

[@halewoodland7484]

as an American, I'll probably understand in a few months.

[@Texas-Goodspeed]

Appreciate y’all from Texas ^^

[@GRMGR1]

I have 3 Swiss Vetterli rifles. Currently my favorite firearms to shoot.

[@Iraqveteran8888]

Who did your Centerfire conversion work? There’s quite a few fun ways to accomplish it

[@GRMGR1]

@@Iraqveteran8888 I did the conversions myself with a drill press. I’m using rcbs decapping pins for firing pins. I make my brass from 50-110 winchester brass. Your videos rock, and your Vetterli videos are the best on youtube.

[@ChodaStanks]

Wow first time Ive seen you guys have a Gras/Chassepot on the show

[@ReadinessReviews]

There is so much awesome in this video. Great info brother!

[@withoutfurtheradoforever]

Great vid. I love the m95. Only bought 2, many years ago, and wish I had bought 10. Awesome little bush-woods carbine for deer hunting.

[@Rumblestrip]

I was wondering where the roots of the m block clip came from. Thanks Eric

[@ironhead2008]

Enblocs (not m-block) were a Ferdinand Mannlicher invention. Head over to C&Rsenal and watch the video on the 1888 Austrian Mannlicher for more info.

[@texpatriot8462]

That Carcano round looks suspiciously like my 6.5 Creedmore rounds.

[@3eightiesopinion524]

I wonder why

[@danm7298]

Tubular magazines arent much faster than single shots. especially once theyre depleted and sometimes they can take even longer to load.

[@Shadow0fd3ath24]

Finally something other than a gun gripe! also the italian one is more complex actually

[@sabirc13]

Cool video luv the history + knowledge

[@johnbowse4693]

Well presented Eric. Thank you. I hope Hickok watches ur channel. jb

[@codyrose1511]

Thank you for always sharing your knowledge.

[@mikeg5514]

@iraqveteran8888 could you please do an updated video on the beretta 92 series love the content keep it coming.

[@pilgrimm23]

Thanks Eric. I own a 1870/87/15 After Othias' experience, I have never shot it. nor will I but it is a interesting rifle. I wish I had the older varriant since it had the same magazine as my 1870 Beaumont -one I know you have too and thanks for showing me how to make rounds from 50/70 brass.

[@jacobm.9578]

Interesting, the US was super behind the times in regards to firearms technology during the 1860's and onward... fascinating! Great vid

[@comiketiger]

Consider also we had the 30 40 krag before the end of the 1800s. This was a great presentation which he was not saying we were behind the times, just more interesting developments everywhere. Here and there.

[@cconley3315]

I'm up to four black powder cartridge rifle now. Three of them are repeaters. The only one that's single shot is strangely enough the newest, made in 1893. What is this hilariously obsolete black powder single shot made seven years after the French had their smokeless repeaters? That would be the US trapdoor Springfield.

[@adamsowers8957]

The transition era from black powder to smokeless is pretty awesome. Extremely interesting stuff.

[@luissantiago5163]

Oh how neato. Appreciate videos like this. Thank you!

[@danielswan2860]

I have a vetterali conversion in 6.5 with number matched bayonet. A long spear with bayinet installed.wonder what its value is, might check GunBroker, but am sceptical of the pricing there & what percent ever need sell.

[@Stewart0494]

Reloading showcase for 41 swiss and Italian vetterli?

[@StarSwarm.]

That was a great summary Eric. Well done. 👍🏻👍🏻 P.S. Ohhh... I just realised too. It’s spelt “Vetterli”.

[@BrutalMaximus]

Would you consider it safe to shoot low pressure "gallery loads" in the 6.5 conversion? Seems like a good way to get all the old school feels without the difficult to source components.

[@knallis.hjemmelading]

Lovely video Eric greetings from Norway

[@BlackDHide]

Wow thats an amazing video you did here. Do you have or will you make a pistol history video?

[@northernwoodsman]

There was one at a flee market a few years ago for 120$. It got molested by rust. Didnt end up picking it up.

[@florianthomas7852]

Vetterli? Now that is just awesome

[@Henning1966]

Hey thanks for the history lesson love it

[@imnotirishok]

I thought I already knew everything to know about the Vetterli. Looks like I was wrong

[@JoanieKennedy]

I have one, I got it converted to centerfire, I am waiting for my brass to get here to start loading them up :)

[@jeffvincent6772]

Found an Old Dutch rifle it's a 6.5 Dutch / Birmingham thinking it's like the carcano 6.5///30-30 like rim case with a 6.5 pill . So what you said will really help I'll have my gunsmith take a mold of the bullet find out what it really is thank you

[@leopizano3737]

Hi Eric, I would like to ask you to do a revision of the bersa tpr9. thanks and keep it up

[@Psalms119nove]

Any recommendations on the Swiss veterli? Does it kill the value to convert it to CenterFire and if not then a “how to” on converting the gun. Thanks for the videos guys.

[@DeimosPC]

I bought like 20 boxes of that 1935-1938 Mannlicher ammo and I regret nothing. So cool to see it. I have a stripper clip of it at work and people always ask questions.

[@Goulash45]

I’ve got a sleeved veterlli that came from my grandparent’s home. It was part of a standing floor lamp that stayed in the corner of their living room for 40 years. I’ve thought about tracking down some ammo and shooting it, but every source of online info specifically warns against it.

[@Bloodreign137]

Imagine being a soldier and the first time you find out about a machine gun is when it’s spraying lead at you

[@OpaKnows]

Aww, look at you and Chad in that video clip, all young and thin.

[@isaackauffman5478]

I see the Makarov on the wall behind him. Brandon Herrera would be proud.

[@sleepingcoconut7164]

Oh Yeah! Just subscribed!

[@Tidebo1]

Can you do a Beaumont recap? You did a video years ago but I'd like to see what that gun can do at 400 yds.

[@willhudson9000]

Hey Eric- I just had a Swiss Vetterli in .41 passed down to me. I’ve been trying to find a way to contact you about converting to center fire and casings. Please reach out if you can.

[@cannonball666]

Eric blushed when he said Manlicher.

[@dbmail545]

I had a Swiss Vetterli that I inherited from my older brother that was ultimately stolen when the house lost its roof during a hurricane. Took that gun apart more times than I could guess. Not a single fastener was undamaged. Would have loved to have fired that thing but the bore was so "brown" that the rifling was undetectable even if ammo was available.

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

Oh YEAH! Nothing better then some IV88 with my coffee and wake n' bake! 👍

[@MrWarwick15]

Very interesting! Thanks Guys. Rich.

[@emergingloki]

And the next book from Headstamp publishing is.... Step into that spotlight Eric!

[@user-dt9qe8wo6u]

Right on time wait right up until 0900 to get ready for the videos

[@darrellowings2343]

Another point your videos have also made is the round used by an old gun may be superior depending on what you're doing. Sometimes old can be better. That trap door short range through brush beat every modern brush gun you had going away.

[@dontrend5956]

I inherited one of these about 35 years ago. I never knew what is was because the only marking on it is: W.V. Steiger Thun and 30249 (serial number?). Is there any way to tell when it was manufactured and the caliber?

[@dontrend5956]

I found the info. Here's what I have: Swiss Vetterli Rifle 1871 S/N 30249 W.V. Steiger, Thun Specifications: Barrel Length: 33.1inches Overall Length: 51.2 inches Weight: 10.4 lbs empty Chambering: 10.4x38 (.41) Swiss Rimfire Rifling: 4 groove, RH twist, 1 in 26" Velocity: 1425 fps Capacity: 12 (11 round tubular magazine +1 in the chamber) In 1871 the Model 1869 was updated with an improved elevator system and simplified receiver. The loading gate was omitted as was the magazine cut-off, which had previously appeared on the left side of the receiver. I knew it was an old rifle but I didn't think it was that old.

[@burgknife758]

You must have a very amazeing collection

[@justinbandy2610]

Hey I know a small backwoods shop that has two Swiss rifles in (I think) .41 cal.

[@dr.threatening8622]

Gun Jesus shuddered audibly every time Eric said Gras.

[@brbilheimer]

With these videos i can't wait to see a crossover with Ian...

[@AssaultWeapons]

last Vetterli, model Beretta 34 converted in single shot 22lr for training

[@Makull1971]

"Maastricht" is a city in the southern part of the Netherlands in the Limburg province.

[@5jjt]

Why do I like it when Eric replaces his, "T's" with, "d's"?

[@Highlandwhitetails]

Thank you for this!! 🤘🏼

[@Perry2186]

Look at the firearms technology that changed from 1860 to 1960

[@michaelleslie8424]

I bought a CZ 52 I like it alot

[@TheRapjudge]

I love learning about these old guns but if I would buy an antique rifle where would I buy ammunition for them?

[@danm7298]

Unfortunately the italians converted most of their 70/87s into 6.5 carcano smokless firing rifles during WW1. they arent designed for smokless and arent safe to shoot, making the original 70 87s somewhat rare.

[@j0ey96]

interesting i just picked up a 1870/87/15 and was looking at loading for it and you post this video on the same day. You really wouldnt recommend shooting it? Im starting at 18 grains of h4895 under a 140 gr 6.5 fmj

[@killer13324]

I wonder if you'll do a video on the Enfield rifles next.

[@canadianfury3027]

Honestly first thing I noticed was the albanian sks in the back. Didnt think you guys had one of those

[@-jank-willson]

19:30 This gun should be given the Obrez treatment, that would be awsome and badass!! (perfect for the zombie apocalypse)

[@JeromeBill7718]

I have no idea why somebody doesn't start making the bullets for the 41 or show us how to convert to the 6.5 or even 410 shells.

[@Dang_Near_Fed_Up]

Thanks for another educational video

[@isaiahkerstetter3142]

Please do a review of the Robinson Armament XCR-M.

[@csview8936]

My grandfather passed one of these down to me. Anyone have any suggestions on restoration project ideas (forums, websites, etc)? I would love to make it operational but I know the ammo is hard to find. Any thoughts?

[@DesertAvenger]

They're en bloc clips, Eric, not stripper clips lol. Also, smokeless powder not only allowed for faster, flatter shooting rounds, but also it kick-started the development and manufacture of all manner of self-loading firearms.