Firearms Facts: "The Law of Diminishing Returns"

[@SleeplessInFl]

Optics are a much better analogy for the law of diminishing returns. A $1,000 scope maybe 10 times better than a $100 scope, but a $2,000 scope is not twice as good as a $1,000 scope. That is a true diminishing return

[@scottyfox6376]

Good point, just how much to spend for what quality gain ?

[@johnhurley8453]

Firearm fact: you don't need F15s or nukes to defend yourself against a tyrantical government.

[@jeffpaul8260]

but they dont hurt your chances!!!

[@greggsanders9635]

But it helps

[@calebmelton5989]

Lol..sure

[@chipy1kanobyjedi521]

Praise God and pass the ammunition

[@RollinKoal01]

Enjoyed the video! My first hunting rifle from dad was a ruger M77 in 7x57, absolutely love that rifle 23yrs later!

[@andrewslagle1974]

great gun and caliber !

[@joshuagibson2520]

I thought this was going to address diminishing returns when it comes to accuracy. It's amazing how far people will go splitting hairs to get smaller groups, etc.

[@michaelclifford8376]

So did I. I bought a $2200 AR-15 a few years ago, after having had started with a used $450 one. Obviously the more expensive one was of higher quality, perhaps would last longer, Idk. Not sure justifying sub moa vs. 2 inch groups at 100 yards is worth it. I was originally taught to hit a 12” paper plate at 100 yards, if you even are a lousy marksman or have a cheap gun if your hitting within a 12” circle your target has been put down. I would prefer 3 rifles to only 1

[@harpintn]

My thought about diminishing returns is I can only shoot 1 at a time. Do you really need 15 pistols and 40 rifles?

[@brucebelvin2058]

Eric, a perfect example of spending a thousand plus dollars on upgrading a gun that didn't return on performance was when you and your blinged-out high dollar customized 10/22 was beaten by a stock Cricket.

[@marzcapone9939]

I bought a Ruger 10/22 some years ago. I upgraded everything, only things left from Ruger is the receiver and magazines. By the time I added all the KIDD parts and Magpul stock, I have a very nice and expensive 10/22. I could have just built the same rifle from KIDD to begin with, for less. I had a pile of parts left, from the original Ruger, so I bought a Brownells receiver. Buy it "correct" in the beginning, if possible. Like, don't buy a new shotgun and have to replace the stocks and the barrel if you want to make a SBS. Maybe there's an existing SBS, that's used, and cheaper.

[@MrLTW2009]

I also have a 1500.00 10-22

[@michaelesposito7717]

Great advice

[@JohnThomas-gj2zg]

I would like to see y'all talk about ammo prices because i just fond the only box of 30-30 that i could find for $49.99 and i think that is a crazy price .......

[@stefanmolnapor910]

Wal-Mart has 30 30 in stock right now. $50 damn

[@stefanmolnapor910]

$17 at walmart

[@JohnThomas-gj2zg]

@@stefanmolnapor910 can't get ammo at any Wal-Mart here were I live and all the gun shop's here can't get the ammo ....

[@halfdollar86]

Ammo prices / availability is getting much better. My advice is ,unless you absolutely NEED ammo, to wait it out. Online prices are getting better and big box outdoor stores are having stock weekly if not daily. At Bass Pro I seen most popular calibers each time I was there the past week. They even had primers and projectiles and a pretty good selection. Academy just had dang near every common cartridge as well. This was up in the day and they still had bulk packs of 7.62x39, 22lr, 9mm, 40, 223 and 5.56. Powder is coming in stock online now too.

[@stefanmolnapor910]

@@JohnThomas-gj2zg check the net, may take some searching but there's gotta be something on there for less. If not, what state you live in, next time I go there I'll buy it and send it to you, I'm all stocked, pre Wuhan flu, so I just look at it

[@davidchappelle3212]

I’m guessing they recorded this a while ago…. The hoodie is a bold fashion statement for summertime in the south.

[@mlgtactics9911]

10:55 they reference a video about the 9.3 "in the future" that was posted 4 months ago, good eye!

[@f5tornadeau]

“It’s a bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see if it pays off for them.”

[@drewtheg]

Eric also makes reference to a doe he shot a few weeks back. Deer season ended 6 months ago

[@Breakfast_and_Bullets]

Apparently not in this case, but it could be that the arms room is chilly relative to the environment.

[@boydchapman5660]

This video reminds me of Barry, he was carrying an old iver/Johnson revolver .32 or .38 (I can't remember the caliber?). The revolver was ugly and old but he liked it. I asked him about it one time. Why do you carry it when you could have any modern side arm? He said " it works, why do I need anything else ?". Eric/Chad do you remember anything about it?

[@jonathandavis346]

I build my own guns or buy them second hand. I haven't actually purchased a gun from a store in a long time.

[@bigbaby8533]

Great video. While im still young, all I have heard is older people regretting have sold a gun 10x more often than I have ever heard regretting having bought one. I figure whatever I buy I keep for life.

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

Dude I’ve sold many guns and I kick myself all the time. I haven’t sold one in like 4 years now because I realized how stupid it was. Don’t sell your guns unless you have a very legitimate reason too.

[@bigbaby8533]

@@MinimumSpeedOperator I figure I would lose them in some freak boating accident before I sell them.

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

@@bigbaby8533 Yes sir you really have to be careful this time of year when you and others are out celebrating July 4th enjoying your 🚤. It is one of the most dangerous things your firearms can participate in so many have been lost to the depths. It’s a real problem.

[@jayklink851]

Man I simply adored your guys 9x39 brilliant video, just what I had been searching for. If this pandemic , or ammo price gouging , ever gets controlled , I think it would be a fun topic to revisit.

[@19UnoUno]

Retitle vid: "Do the ends justify the means?" . Good vid as always gents!

[@advres]

My charger takedown lite, sb brace, mask HD and holosun is the fulcrum on the point of diminishing returns on that gun for me. To each their own. Don't forget to giggle when you shoot it.

[@ryanwilson5936]

How’s that DeadAir though? Seriously considering one for my Ruger American Rimfire.

[@DoAN1GHTMARE]

I'm only about 3 minutes in but the first thing he talks about isn't diminishing returns, it's depreciation.

[@DouglasR0269]

Was going to be my comment, they do get better as I watch along, but definitely not using the term in an economic sense.

[@badfishgood]

Kind of embarrassing tbh

[@barrsteve7347]

I concur. Diminishing (marginal) returns are in relation to the effort expended to the result realized. At some point, it's possible to have too much of a "good" thing.

[@thejohnbeck]

Yeah they could have said tradeoffs instead

[@placidsaint1825]

I heard Eric got blocked by Donnie Jr. for calling out his Dad on the bump stock ban. Where was Jr when his dad was Prez and I didn't get my Hearing Protection Act?

[@brucebelvin2058]

I'm not defending Trump on his illegal bump stock ban, but he wasn't responsible for the Hearing Protection Act because it never reached his desk.

[@whoc4r3s117]

I forgot that the leader is a dictator. Well now at least that’s true. How many people are in Congress? 100 senators 435 house members. Anything the man did he was demonized. Now you got someone saying he is going after conservatives, 2A supporters, and people who believe in the constitution. The term they are using to demonize is white supremaist (didn’t spell right because they are so few and far between i don’t fear them). So if you’re black and believe in 2a, family, god you are a white supremasist in there eyes. And you are the greatest threat and threatened to have nukes used against you. Not chyna,Ms13, border collapsing, medical tyranny, not attack on us independence and energy, not the media propagandizing everyone constantly, not the globalist pushing agenda 2030 or the great reset. Not Bill gates, Klaus Scwab, The Davos group, Dr. Falsey, george soros, ted turner, david rockefeller, Warren Buffett or Oprah calling for population control and reduction. The only threat to the powers that be are the american people. Have you called your mayor governor or sat in on a school board meeting? Got to speak up and let your voice be heard.

[@JackOSUrulz]

@@whoc4r3s117 I will say this.....I like that you had some misspellings because otherwise your comment would probably be deleted by cOMmieTube. IV8888s last video on the military had so many comments deleted it looks like barely anyone watched it, still amazes me how much the libbies continue to try and shape everything....all they accomplish is making us all angrier and more resolute to push them out.

[@doejohn8674]

There is a very interesting post on Precision Rifle Blog "How Much Does Group Size Matter?" about diminishing return of rifle accuracy when trying to hit targets further and further away, the longer the shot, the more the environmental conditions are important

[@dantomlinson4407]

This is one of the best videos you guys have ever made. I wish I had seen it years ago. Thanks

[@brucebelvin2058]

Are you guys getting a cold spell in Georgia in June/July?

[@joshuagibson2520]

We did last week in Tn. The nasty hot is back today though.

[@continentalgin]

Good, cold, air conditioning is what it looks like to me.

[@dirkbruere]

Bullet velocity - beyond about 4000fps you run out of everything, including barrel life

[@joshuagibson2520]

Amen brother. 6.5CM comes to mind. I don't see the appeal.

[@bobrady1668]

@@joshuagibson2520 why does 6.5CM come to mind?

[@joshuagibson2520]

@@bobrady1668 barrel life.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

But you punch through hard body armor level 4

[@zososldier]

My take on diminishing returns is usually financial. I can't exactly remember the cost break down but it's something like "it costs %50 of investment to get %80-90 performance. It then costs another %10 investment for only %1 improvement from there" For example, if it costs $1000 to buy a perfectly good item like a 1 MOA gun, it will more than likely cost half of that to increase its ability. So a 500 investment into a new barrel, action work, trigger, etc will now make that 1 MOA gun a 0.5 MOA gun. You can sort of see it in the AR world. Get a basic AR like the mp15 from s&w for 5-600. Now if you want to make it more accurate, you are dropping 2-500 on a barrel, 1-300 on a free float and 100-300 on a trigger. Your 5-600 AR now cost 9-1500 for going from 2-4 MOA to potentially sub MOA.

[@oakland002]

I take a $100 marlin .22 lr small game hunting , and my brother takes a $700 + $400 scope and rifle to small game hunt 😊. They both will harvest small games , but the $1,000 combo just make the hunting experience more enjoyable

[@trapperscout2046]

I had a friend that used to use a 300 Remington Ultra Mag for deer hunting in the woods.

[@pootinplays]

Diminishing returns has nothing to do with materials and scareity like the first example. Example would be like if you spent 10k on upgrading a car you get 200 more horsepower. But spending 20k will get you 250 more horsepower. Doubleing the input does not mean doubleing the output.

[@trentrubenacker9718]

They're confusing it with a cost benefit analysis?? When they get to the guns anyway. The first example with the factory was just applying the law of conservation of mass to a production line?? I feel like I'm listening to idiots ramble incoherently tbh.

[@bg4594-x1s]

@@trentrubenacker9718 because you are

[@MrGraveBait]

@@bg4594-x1s its an injustice that you are being forced to watch it

[@joshuagibson2520]

It's cool to trick a rifle out like you want. It's kinda like modding the shit out of a car too though, whereas you don't always get your investment back out of the "upgrades" or have trouble selling the piece unless you find someone who wants it just like you did.

[@J.sh_CDN]

That's why you always keep your replaced parts. Things that can easily be re-replace go back on the car at sale time, and the parts get sold separately! Also, a modded up car is a big red flag, no idea how well they actually did the mods, and probably they bagged the car too.

[@joshuagibson2520]

@@J.sh_CDN very true. Suspension airbags are actually pretty nice to have on certain vehicles. When done right. I've only ever had them on a hauling vehicle though. They've come a long way with materials and such over recent years.

[@TheRaveBarn]

7mm rem mag with a 12x at 40yds....I feel personally attacked.

[@Feng_of_Draugdor]

Diminishing returns are obvious in terms of performance, but those returns diminish much slower in terms of enjoyment.

[@javie5080]

Oh man I love those Zytel stocks(boat paddle) on the m77. Everyone up in Alaska has one... except me :’(. Lol. They’re just so durable. Such legends

[@RealGregJamesBeam]

If you double the cost of your gun with upgrades and it doesn't shoot twice as well I'd say thats a diminishing return.

[@user-hk9ny7qk9u]

The longer you two goofs hangout together you look more and more like a married couple!

[@miketeeveedub5779]

Eric: "Where do we start with 'The Law of Diminishing Returns.' " Me seeing custom 1911 in front of Chad: "I see you've come prepared for this topic."

[@HowieDewitt7575]

Those ruger fiberglass stocks are jawbreakers, i got rid of the 7mag i had in 98, was just to much recoil to deal with for eastern whitetail...

[@rickshackleford6478]

I love the Ruger boat paddle stocks👍👍👍 I know you’ve got the 223... first center 🔥

[@charlesbowman8125]

Hell most use guns at gun shows are 3 times higher then new. If i can't get a deal i don't buy. I even try to get better deals on new ones from the gun shop's. 😆 call me a tight wad.

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Gun shows are a rip off. Most the vendors get together before the show even starts and they get most of the good deals.

[@timowens7214]

Tight wad

[@napalmstickylikeglue]

Found a gun show vendor. 🤣

[@andrewslagle1974]

dont ask dont get .worst thing they can say is no!

[@Stevarooni]

Diminishing returns is spending $1,000 on a trigger job and gold-filled inlays on a Hi-Point. You'll probably improve it, but much less than if you simply bought a more refined firearm.

[@tubeonline629]

Kinda like lipstick on a pig.

[@johndoe-so2ef]

But now I want to do it!

[@possumslayerslayer4816]

One of my favorite videos y’all have done!

[@estebanmacias1945]

Gunblue says a using higher powdered rifle is not good for a person who harvest meat . It damages edible meat into inedible .

[@johnguy3211]

Y'all think that pd kicks, try the airweight j frame in 357 with underwood loads. Thing makes the 500 snubby seem tame.

[@teiwaztim1482]

a diminishing return for me is rust. i carry IWB every day; my edc is a smith n wesson m&p 2.0 45acp. i loooooove its compactness, its relative light weight for a big bore, and its capacity. I work in a restaurant, so i sweat plenty. the rust isnt 10/10 bad but....ack! any tips from anybody? any coatings or preventatives? or should i just carry OWB?

[@GrumpyGenXGramps]

Diminishing Returns? Are we talking about the election???

[@brucebelvin2058]

If we are talking about Biden it's diminishing brain waves.

[@waterweirdo9285]

@@brucebelvin2058 lol

[@jerrymartin5100]

Entry level, Thompson Center Compass, 40 yard food plot, 35 Remington, great video.

[@สมภารคําขํา-ม7ว]

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[@17cmmittlererminenwerfer81]

The real law of diminishing returns is found in expecting people to sit through a 34 minute video that covers about 2.5 minutes of actual content.

[@freedomiseverything2767]

The ideal cartridge for whitetail deer at 75 yards is probably the 175 grain Winchester 30-30 or 150 grain 7.62x39

[@bigmike9845]

All around entry level firearm I would say the ar15 is perfect for everyone entry level hunting home defense you name it I can drop a buck at 600 yards with my 556 just as easy as anybody else can with a 700

[@Chris_Garman]

You can headshot a deer at 600 yards? That's the only way you are going to drop it with a 5.56 as it equates to the same or less power than a .22lr point blank at that range.

[@realblakrawb]

10/22s have a habbit of becoming only factory receivers. Try a kidd trigger if you ever have the opportunity.

[@abiyoyo9831]

I hate to nitpick but your description of the economic law of diminishing returns was backwards. The law of diminishing returns deals with increasing one production input without increasing the others and states that eventually, those increases will not make production any more efficient.

[@dwaynewalker986]

A long time ago a gun writer named Craig Boddington writing an article on recoil stated that he had a 375 H&H Magnum and he shot everything from Dik Dik to the African Big 5 with it, he said " he could shoot that 375". Diminuishing Returns ? 1) Barrel length 2) Reloading for that last 100fps even if it blows the group. Etc., Etc, .... P.S.- I called Brownells asking about the picnic table barrel straightening device for AK's . They said they didn't have one. Can Eric tell us where he got his.

[@joshuagibson2520]

9:03 look at that boat paddle M77! those stocks are great. Wish we still had them.

[@mexvette8209]

When was this filmed? What's with the jackets?

[@ToddYoung73]

First slice of pizza is very satisfying... 8th slice of pizza will be far less satisfying for most people. Law of diminishing returns.

[@buckaroobonsi555]

How long it takes for the recoil pulse to happen in terms of time compared to total recoil makes a difference. 28ft-lbs. that happens over a longer period of time will not feel as bad as 24ft-lbs or recoil that happens over half the amount of time. It is a difference between it feeling like a long heavy push versus it feeling like a sharp kick to the shoulder by a horse. Total recoil does not matter as much as the time it takes for that recoil pulse to happen.

[@kingelvis7035]

I've always heard that 45-70 is like that - it's a long burn. Literally its differnece between 'horsepower' or kilowatts which express 'work' and torque, which measures force and has no time dimension - hence you can have 'torque multiplication' with greater gearing, but not horsepower multiplication with gearing.

[@hobbz4921]

I officially curse the man who taught Eric the phrase "There is no free-lunch in physics".

[@TheShmeebitdog]

Living in the desert most shots are between 300-600 yards to take a deer and elk is between 300-1000yards but occasionally you can get closer shots now me being legally blind require a fairly high powered scope for even close shots to even see the deer or elk

[@sonofamerc]

Love that you guys know your shit and yet are still 2 modest gentleman scholars lol

[@joshuagibson2520]

True 10 years ago. They're elitists now.

[@matadoractual]

Hey Iraq Vet! Marine Corps Vet here. You and Chad look great!! What is it?! Your location? Diet? Weather? Help a brother out!

[@cliffordpace616]

Thanks! Good job guys!

[@carljefts215]

Please keep the reviews coming

[@spookcityghouls]

I love carrying my M&P. I didn't think I'd find a gun I liked more than my Glock 37 till I picked this bastard up. I also got several coworkers on the M&P train as well.

[@mikewilson5338]

Anyone consider a Janz revolver a bit too much for a Bar-B-Que gun?

[@mattgeiger9988]

I hear people say "well my 2006 jeep liberty with 22in mud tires and light bars is added value" I then realized that they are broke and they added crap to pure sh!t. A car is worth nothing without a buyer!!

[@shayglass]

Just traded in an airweight .357. Bad in .38, unbearable in .357. Traded it for a Shield Plus. Win.

[@mattmorrison9379]

Good video, thanks guys

[@bobbymalcich63]

thank you for the awesome video guy's!!!

[@mikem2132]

Can you guys review a Smith & Wesson Model 41?

[@2Aknight762]

Spent $2000 on a Gucci Glock or $700ish on an M&P PC pistol and the red dot of your choice ready to out of the box.

[@emanuelsoto1984]

Modern Sporting Riffle,, home builds!! Say it again!

[@rednecksniper4715]

When it comes to deer hunting I LOVE hunting with my Milsurps I’ve taken deer with my Garand, M1917, M1903A4, M91/30, M39, K31 and SVT40 this year I’m taking my 03A4 and I’m gonna try to take my Gewehr 98 it’s gonna be hard to get a hit since the lowest sight setting is 400 meters everytime I go out to the club I get all kinds of shit because I like using my ‘old guns’ to hunt with and these fudds call them shit meanwhile they can’t hit the broadside of a barn with their cheap ass Savage axis or Ruger American with a $40 Walmart scope.

[@jeffpaul8260]

why a brace? the gun is already registered as nfa with he suppressor, just make it a sbr? Does that stock fit standard on the charger pistol and have a real rifle stock? i would never mount it of course unless barrys' (rest in peace barry) zombie apocalypse happened.

[@RDCards]

Did you guys record this in the winter because right now it is middle of summer and you guys are crazy for wearing sweatshirts and stuff

[@mathewmcdonald3657]

I find that guns, optics , and definitely ammunition are not diminishing. Not in Jacksonville Florida. Almost double in price for most items.

[@chrism4008]

That 1911 looks nice, but i have a hard time with the extractor, its probably less likely to break, but it looks weird

[@alifqadrmuhammad4542]

Diminishing Return could also mean loss of value of initial investment, such as once a product is unboxed the appraisal value diminishes. Also, production anmaßen leads to quality decline.

[@jessesowell8996]

Thank you.

[@MinimumSpeedOperator]

I think the 9.3 feels like less because it’s more of a push over a longer stretch of time. Where as the 300 win mag you get it all at once. In other words Eric you probably perceive all the recoil almost instantly with the win mag vs a long shove from the 9.3 I’ll take the shove too.

[@InexorWoW]

An InRangeTV WWSD carbine is the opposite of diminishing returns when it comes to gucci AR-15s.

[@Charon-5582]

I hate the charger because it got the 25 round mags banned here in canada.

[@tbcarleton]

Last time I was in a tree stand, I packed everything except my camouflage long underwear just so I wouldn't sweat on the way there and freeze while I was up there.

[@nancyhayes5905]

Must be a cold front in Georgia. Chad be hitting the buffet these days.

[@JohnThomas-gj2zg]

Love seeing what y'all come up with on every show y'all do .......

[@InexorWoW]

*Looks at all the hunting rifles* *Looks back at my safe* *Looks at my only bolt gun and only rifled gun >7.62x39mm in power* "Nyet, Mosin Nagant is fine."

[@Leprechaun714]

Great show on how to's:^)

[@necummins8696]

I have a 77 in .357 only Ruger I would ever buy. I can't stand Ruger's. However it is one of my pride and joys of my collection

[@skunkycatog]

Would buying a used car that’s 4 grand over kbb fall under this?

[@mikemike4086]

Always preferred Glock recoil over sappy M&P's. I really enjoyed the AR'S though

[@WCGwkf]

Refreshing topic this one

[@user-wv9cu8nr4r]

Can y’all review the siq cross bolt-action, after the recall? Is it worth buying?

[@Bitter_Blueberry]

All hype. Like 99% of things from Sig.

[@billbeam8069]

Good video brothers

[@Encrouter]

Fight it guys, it happens all over the world.

[@KG370]

This goes with any hobby…. Unless you get something that’s from a famous gunsmith/company and leave it stock, with “mods” it means nothing.

[@SOLDOZER]

Does Iraqveteran$$$$ still work at the pawn shop?

[@BirdDogey1]

Don't hunt but have two rifles just in case. One is a 10/22 and the other a Moison Nagant. Good to go.

[@cwatson42785]

Tell Chad to cut the ponytail, just cut ✂️ it off one day Eric. He will thank you for it. Thanks

[@dustinmooring698]

No Chad, I do not have a cigarette or a dollar.

[@RoadTraveler]

Good one guys. 🇺🇸

[@continentalgin]

You can spend thousands on a Citori over and under, or you can bag the same quail with a Remington.

[@Otzchieem]

Take a shot Everytime they say diminishing returns. I sort of feel like peter Griffen Everytime they say that.

[@jackhomer8917]

Y'all cold??? Fleece and a hoodie in late June.........

[@starxlord9856]

Seen a fully kited hk716 was 7k!!

[@NotMuchHere]

what is the intended use ... when my wife starts screaming, i know something is going to have to die, my question, shotgun or rifle?

[@bigchunk1]

Redfish 1911 is so worth it!