The Viable System Model

[@tomw6926]

This is my field of work--there's a really interesting conflict at the moment between modern ways of organising projects (Scrum, Agile, microservice architecture) based on cybernetic thinking and the traditional hierarchy of companies. Cybernetics/systems theory also gel really well with dialectical materialism and it's a real shame that a lot of Marxists are unaware of it

[@rkhan2534]

What is your field of work?

[@tomw6926]

Systems engineering--though for one reason or another (I suspect it's because of the contradictions between traditional capitalist organisation and cybernetic organisation) my discipline has mostly lost its connection to it's theoretical roots

[@rkhan2534]

@@tomw6926 Would you be open for a correspondence with me .I am new to such subjects: System dynamics and cybernetics, and would really appreciate someone from whom I can learn and discuss with such topics as was in the video above. I shall accept any protocol you set interims of medium and duration. Regards Roman khan Karachi-Pakistan

[@ritujoya3667]

Can you please help on this topic???

[@luxingjiang2753]

@@ritujoya3667 cybernetics and socialism

[@jass783]

incredible video, well made and well explained. sad this topic isn't better known, because this deserves at least 100x the current views

[@tchadcarby8439]

This is one of the most important videos to humanity currently on KZbin. Absolutely genius!!!!!

[@auxiliarystatements]

Wow hey thanks! Cheers for the support!!

[@cintiafaria6020]

very easy to understand, very clear explanation to VSM

[@auxiliarystatements]

Cheers Cintia!

[@danielalvarez-galan3702]

Just stumbled across this video, and I have to say that is video is great! Just Subscribed!

[@karlmarx7511]

I'm going to refer this video frequently

[@auxiliarystatements]

Thanks Karl!

[@hamzahassan6726]

clear explaination, thank you

[@TRWnan]

@0:55 do you have a source for these cartoons/explanations of the 5 statements?

[@auxiliarystatements]

They're from the 2nd edition of Brain of the Firm 👍

[@Dennishals]

You also have some more practical Information in Stanford Beer's Platform for Change.

[@CRISRIFFO]

Allende, ahora y siempre. The past is some times the future

[@Pixova]

thank you very poggers

[@oletramekaf5603]

Everything described here is exactly as management systems in many private companies. Or in many current governments. What's supposed to be innovative about a "Viable System Model"?

[@AcidCommunistAachen]

Too bad this didn't touch on viability as a concept. A clock is also a system, but a *viable* system can respond to its environment, usually trying to maintain some kind of homeostasis. Also, many viable systems are autopoietic systems, i.e. they reproduce themselves.

[@Mr1998Brandonify]

Good info on covering the model. However, concerning socialism, the power of government should never be trusted in the hands of fewer and fewer people. small government and considerable decentralization prevent the atrocities committed by Marxism in the 20th century.

[@karlmarx7511]

Just skim over unions, worker councils, autonomous regions, the differing workers leagues, etc.

[@danielalvarez-galan3702]

Why smaller government? Why not stretch out the local government or councils powers. Why not give certain autonomy to those who want and would benefit from it. Also you do know what workers and soldiers council are and how they operate? Also I believe that involving structure and democratic systems will benefit the whole of society.