The Vicious Story Of Andrea Venter

[@robertwilliam5527]

Caught in action on CCTV, yet it took the justice system 10 years to put him in jail. Crazy world.

[@aridyaacob9528]

No, bloody crazy country!

[@tessaducek5601]

S. Africa

[@AutumnBRreeze]

SickSadWorld..

[@titanomachy2217]

Considering what South Africa is like, it is a miracle this dude was arrested at all. It's a failed state, like most of sub-Saharan Africa.

[@laurendekock5763]

That's south africa for u. You can even hand yourself over and get away with it

[@Cottontailart]

Judges who let criminals out for “good bahaviour” when they do something as severe as this should be severely fined

[@stfuplsok]

*behaviour

[@wendyjones1422]

No judges & paroles boards who let these people out should b sued by familes whos loved ones are murdered & they should lose there jobs!

[@Cottontailart]

@@wendyjones1422 I was gonna say lose there jobs but then I wasn’t sure

[@stfuplsok]

@@wendyjones1422 *whose their* jobs

[@stfuplsok]

@@Cottontailart *their* jobs

[@jamesl9371]

Stalking should be taken very seriously and should be zero tolerance for it

[@katamine11]

💯

[@wioi]

So true. But it basically never ever does... It's sickening. It could prevent so many deaths

[@em84c]

yea a stalker doesn't care about a restraining order and usually makes them even angrier and triggers them to kill the victim

[@gamerbanee]

I was severely abused by a step-dad. But I'm not abusive to my wife or children. Having an abusive childhood isn't an excuse to be a monster.

[@judyedwards7144]

Amen 🙏

[@dadcelo]

I applaud you for not continuing the cycle of abuse.

[@riafourita89]

@@dadcelo Thanks for your kind words. For me, it's a no-brainer. Why would I continue in someone's footsteps who I absolutely despise?

[@tiffanydegoya]

❤

[@SomeoneSomewhere1984]

Sometimes an abusive childhood is a catalyst to be the exact opposite

[@wowyswagger5061]

Everything about this case infuriates me. From the stalker and killer himself, to the judicial system in SA, the GUARDS and onlookers, the judge who let him go after serving time for entering Brazil dubiously and his parents who enabled him, EVERYONE failed this young woman. May Andrea's soul rest in eternal peace.

[@DarkHumour356]

Can't really express which part of this case infuriated me the most... This lady did everything right and society allowed this to happen to her. Everyone failed her. I swear if this was my child, I wouldn't even want that delayed justice anymore, I'd personally hunt this SOB down just as he did her and inflict the same form of harm on him. Pathetic

[@darma99]

True... i will support the judge to bail him out... and he didn't have to attend the court anymore cause nobody "can't find him"...

[@unicornspinach4071]

Yeah south Africa got the worst justice system. Its bad bad

[@Bri_g3]

Yeah I’d go postal

[@slagit]

Man so much angered me about this case!

[@hanashi5727]

It's South Africa. It's a disgusting criminal shithole and only getting worse.

[@tashibalampkin8555]

20:22 "I'm just a mother." What about Andrea's mother? I bet she misses her daughter everyday. His mother is ridiculous. She hears her son brutally murdered and repeatedly raped a woman and tries to help him escape. She's awful.

[@ten0785]

That’s where he gets it from

[@bawling4soup]

andreas mother passed away. her husband said it was from heartache

[@kathrynbillinghurst188]

Some “humans” just don’t have any moral compass! It’s about time the “SCIENTISTS” work out THAT FORMULA!!!

[@elizemuller5065]

Why weren't they also prosecuted?

[@baristaz8834]

​@@kathrynbillinghurst188scientists already know why??? And it was stated he was abused which is the main cause

[@Nick-hz2kl]

The courts failed so bad . How does someone like this get away . What a joke .

[@nixm9093]

Less than 10% of murders in SA are solved and successfully prosecuted. The vast majority of cops are corrupt and lazy and can't be bothered.

[@zapasiewicz]

I think none of this is a "fail". Each outrageous decision must have been preceded by a hefty bribe.

[@donnawhitehair2842]

This happened in Africa! That's how. Maybe if this had happened in America, someone would have helped her.

[@crazyhammie8864]

@@donnawhitehair2842 nah not sure, there was this case there where a mother killed her 4 year old and was actually free to go, like you'd think it's impossible but it's not in America

[@donnawhitehair2842]

@@crazyhammie8864 --I agree, but I do believe that in America people are more apt to help.

[@lornaginetteharrison7168]

It’s such a shame that his mother didn’t even try to leave her violently abusive husband. Staying resulted in two of her children committing suicide because of what they were forced to endure, and the third becoming an absolutely horrible murderous monster.

[@zannigan222]

Agreed. Truly mother of the year

[@a.s.3676]

Maybe she was worse, in her own way, and that was the biggest cause. Who knows?

[@chelleyd4020]

How do you know she never tried to leave? She was no doubt a victim of dv

[@lornaginetteharrison7168]

@@chelleyd4020 Because she said so. Yes, she was indeed a victim of domestic violence. By staying she chose to avoid the undoubtedly increased risks to her own safety when a victim of abuse tries to leave the situation, but the cost to her children as a result of her decision was indeed grave. The cumulative damage to kids growing up in such an abusive environment are huge and leave lifelong scars, and often lead to substance abuse problems, severe clinical depression, PTSD, violent relationships of their own, and suicide. Unfortunately, victims of intimate partner violence put off getting the hell out of there because they are thinking only of the short term dangers; they are less concerned about how staying in an abusive relationship, exposing their kids to many, many years of physical and mental abuse on a daily basis, will affect them in the long term.

[@smalltowngirlbigcityheart3724]

It about sent the final child to the grave too by him slitting his own throat!! What a damned family they are!

[@Prettydeaddecor]

As a South African, I am baffled that I had no idea about this case! Thank you for sharing this.

[@moimeself1088]

Right? Crazy

[@superm70]

Yes no idea 😢

[@monaliza3334]

It was on news24. 2011. Joburg man who killed ex-lover then attempted suicide before fleeing to Brazil, found guilty of murder...

[@Prettydeaddecor]

@@monaliza3334 Oh! I was in high school then, didn’t really watch the news lol But thank you for this info, would love to read that article. (Also I too am a Mona. 🥰)

[@debrawoolahan2301]

Me too.

[@RexaNara]

Stupid parents, stupid law enforcers, stupid neighbors, stupid jurisdiction. This story made me realize how vulnerable we really are

[@williamlopez8983]

Facts!!!

[@alexsay5536]

Exactly!!!!!! STUPID PARENTS HOW COME THEY LEFT HER ? BRO I WOUKD SHOOT THAT MF FOR DEFENSE AND FREE MY DAUGHTER WTF

[@slagit]

For sure!!!! That poor woman was let down by everyone!

[@alejandromolinac]

If only you would had been there.

[@aridyaacob9528]

Not the parents though surely. Shame on the people there though. Shame for such apathy and the initial inaction!!!

[@jarmakey1]

I've heard before that you shouldn't get protection/restraining orders against stalkers, cause the order needs to list the place that the stalker has to stay away from, meaning, the stalker learns exactly where you live. I didn’t quite believe that the police were so incompetent that they would literally give your adress away to a stalker, but here were are.

[@szybake9629]

Holy cow that’s awful!

[@evoluna3056]

In which country is it like this? I would like to know. (This case is in South Africa). They must change this. 🤔

[@lordmysticlaw1991]

You really think someone who's stalking you wouldn't know where you live?

[@DarkHumour356]

A literal death trap

[@ameliavelasco8602]

@@lordmysticlaw1991well he didn’t when she moved.

[@denisechauvin1965]

Stalkers are the most dangerous of all criminals. If a stalker is after you it is rare to survive, seriously. These people are absolute monsters.

[@jacklasz]

What the hell is wrong with the justice system!!! 😡 My God!! Throw him in jail and NEVER let him see the light of day!! Someone like that shouldn’t walk amongst us!! My heart goes out to all those who lost Andrea!! Biggest hugs and I hope some day you can find some peace in your lives. RIP Andrea ♥️ Thanks again for another amazing video!! ♥️♥️♥️

[@Fan_Tash_Tic]

I’m a huge fan of your channel and from South Africa so thank you so much for covering this story 🙏🏻 My bf and his sister went to University with Andrea and they say she was an absolutely stunning human who really didn’t deserve this. Until this day the crime still shocks and saddens them 💔

[@ashtontk-rw7mo]

Thanks for sharing another South African case. There's a whole lot of disturbing cases in South Africa. Here's some cases to share: The station strangler, Allison Botha, Anene Booysen, Henri Van Breda, Ellen Pakkies, Jesse Hess.

[@gaslitworldf.melissab2897]

Our western world is mostly dangerous due to a lack of poor interpersonal skills, not just S. Africa, but all modern polities changed by contact with the west. I don't know if this represents a deterioration in the general character of individuals or a deterioration in social expectations, but it's sad b/c even though we have far less warfare, gangs and warlords, it's been replaced by entitled, crazed madmen and women who kill b/c they can't have something they somehow feel is owed them and it seems we simply can't stop these people from killing when they get so out of sorts that they become unhinged and homicidal.

[@phoenixmerridian9119]

@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 our society has raised a bunch of entitled humans who are used to getting what they way at the click of a button. Its extremely unhealthy that people have no patience and no emotional ability to handle it

[@Heyhunniesbuffytimmons8513]

Took my

[@TokigaTorsten]

Took my what?@@Heyhunniesbuffytimmons8513

[@anjadreyer904]

South African here - I’m a proud one, but also realistic in that it’s actually really scary being a woman here.

[@PrincessVelaryon]

Its crazy to me that he actually found her in such a large city

[@mishellefire1660]

It's easy if you are a certain profession which she was an accountant. I am a vet nurse and moved to evade a stalker. About 2 years after moving/hiding my co worker said someone was on the phone for me. I said hello expecting a client and instead heard the words, I knew if I rang every clinic in the state I would finally find you. 😢 so yeah. Easy to find someone if you're prepared to ring around.

[@CJLOVE23]

Never underestimate a freaking psychotic stalker

[@PrincessVelaryon]

@mishellefire1660 Wow that's scary. The fact that someone would call thousands of people to find you. I never quite comprehended the sheer lengths stalkers can go to to find someone.

[@katelynbrown98]

​@mishellefire1660 I am so sorry. But also this is why most hobs have the rule that you're not allowed to tell if someone is there or not. That coworker shouldn't have told them you were there.

[@ThisIsJ.Nicole]

​@@mishellefire1660That is horrrifying

[@hayeatzandtravel]

This is sick, justice was definitely not served for this poor woman!!!!

[@ceristern]

I'm South African and love this country for many reasons, but it's stories like this that make so very angry and disappointed at the injustices that go on here. I hope every person that stood by and watched this happen realizes they're partially responsible for doing nothing.

[@HilmarSchacht-zm8kg]

I heard on one of the other crime channels that in the U.S.A..if you are a bystander to a crime ,such as this one and do not assist / defend a crime in progress you are criminally liable..in theory anyway.

[@jose131991]

@@HilmarSchacht-zm8kgdepends from state to state

[@shweetblonde]

The guy had a knife and was in a rage. Unless I had a gun I wouldn’t do anything either

[@ciji6706]

The story was not just compelling, it was extremely frustrating to watch as this POS kept slipping through legal cracks and even managed to live a normal life as a husband/father for over a decade!! Thank God Andrea's parents were still alive to see their daughter FINALLY receive justice! There was no mention that the parents of that low-life were charged for aiding and abetting, unless I missed that due to my blood boiling that I stopped listening to the continuous unfairness of it all. WTG for your gripping narration, Sir, and please don't stop.

[@marionfriedenthal7352]

Thank you for sharing Andrea's story with us. Sadly this is the first time I've heard of her tragic murder. In SA life is only a minimum of 25 years. I hope he never gets parole. RIP Andrea. .

[@ThisIsJ.Nicole]

The police failed because they mentioned where she lived and there were enough onlookers that they could've tackled him down. This didn't have to happen.

[@lunxr_egg]

Every bystander helped him murder her. There should be repercussions for all of them, at the VERY LEAST the ‘guards’ should be charged. You held a position of authority and were supposed to keep people safe. If you can’t meet that standard, you have zero business considering a career in protection.

[@vanessa-8375]

The police didn't mention where she lived - Johannesburg is a city, not an address. He found her by calling every accounting firm (a lot) and followed her around.

[@ameliavelasco8602]

@@vanessa-8375yeah but he didn’t KNOW she was in Johannesburg until the protection order told him she was there.

[@ToeKnife166]

@@lunxr_eggwhere in the law does it say you have to risk your life stopping a man with a knife?

[@Camey71073]

As a woman who is currently going thru a similar situation until the murder, laws HAVE to be structured so that these people cannot find and hurt us after we've sought and received protection orders against them. It's a piece of paper to them. It means nothing to them.

[@broeheemed32]

Why don't you protect yourself? Do you have some kind of internal [ON/OFF] switch that lets you toggle between "strong and independent" and "poor helpless victim" hiding in the bathroom, crying? It's baffling.

[@blueforest2927]

​@@broeheemed32You need help !

[@noturnleftunstoned72]

@@broeheemed32 take it easy.

[@lemonadegrrrl]

@@broeheemed32what are you talking about man

[@dangermiami1990]

Protect yourself, get a gun , learn to use it and take it every where, you right a paper won’t protect you.

[@jazmarie6002]

If this case doesn’t show you that some judges needs to be held accountable for their biases, misogyny and ignorance influenced judgments, I don’t know what does. My thoughts and prayers go out to Andrea’s family and friends.

[@1978JonBullock]

What an absolute gut wrenching nightmare from the start to the finish.

[@CoExist64]

So she leaves to get away from him and they put her new location on the damn so-called protection order?!!??!

[@ThisIsJ.Nicole]

That's what I said. Like wow...

[@bullast2046]

A PPO puts the locations the offender must stay away from.. gives them your exact location..

[@CoExist64]

@@bullast2046 that makes sense, but in certain cases I’d think “just stay away” should be an option especially if the person doesn’t want them to know where they are. But good point…

[@aselyne5631]

The parents should sue the police who did that

[@Jesusofsuburbia768]

Dumb move

[@happytrails699]

He obviously didn't cut his own throat deep enough. They never do.

[@garyrunnalls7714]

❤❤❤So true

[@lisalynnmarie2448]

This was a crazy story. I would never, ever help my son out the way his mom did. In fact, I'd turn him in myself. She certainly did him no favors. At least he's where he should be, and it's a damn shame it took so long to happen. RIP to Andrea, and I hope her family now has some form of solace.

[@lottoo5693]

I agree some people turn blind for their children

[@meciamonshay7985]

whats even more crazy is she more than likely only helped him out bc she felt bad for ever leaving him with their father. she abandoned her kids with a knowing abusive father, so really she plays a good part in how they turned out, and plenty of parents cannot accept that they helped to screw up their kid.

[@lifeofamodernwoman]

If you really think about it,( there is no justification) HOWEVER his mother tried to protect him it was because she lost her other children to suicide. Perhaps psychologically she didn't want to lose her last child after such terrible sadness and loss of their lives through abuse commited by her evil sick husband. Poor Andrea, she never deserved that.😢

[@dadcelo]

His parents deserve to be in jail too

[@ZarpSterr]

Ask yourself...HOW did she get a Fake Passport for her son. Ask yourself....How did he get R15 000 bail for a Capital Crime. Ask yourself again....HOW connected was his Porno-loving right-wing Daddy to the Powers That Be ? Yes, ask yourself, how Scum can be released from a Brazilian jail, and not be extradited to SA....AND have a family, in Brazil. Easy.......Lots of Money. Lots of Payoffs. This creep came from money.

[@florence1395]

No one helped her? This is unthinkable that this young lady was killed brutally & not one person helped. Collectively these people could have overpowered him, if not surely the police could of shot him! I honestly can’t believe that nobody did anything, shame on them all. Cowards!

[@lisaloporto6944]

This was a very difficult story to watch! So many injustices! Hopefully this maniac will never get out of prison!!

[@BassSpy]

If you just stand there and watch something like that without doing anything, you deserve to have it etched in your mind for the rest of your life.

[@blueforest2927]

So should the judge

[@SainyaHokage]

It's a psychological reaction. No one would move because they think another one will. In the end nobody moves.

[@flanknstank1852]

I love how everyone on the internet is a super hero 😂 I have a wife and kids to take care of. That's why I pay taxes for police protection. You think I'm out here going toe to toe with knife wielding maniacs? This isn't a movie. John Wick isn't real. You go against a knife while unarmed it's not pretty.

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

I can just laugh at keyboard warriors. Imagine someone having a big butchers knife killing someone else and you have nothing to defend yourself with. Sorry I have a family that wants to see me. I have 1 life and I don't believe in a afterlife. If I have to give my life it will be to save my family. Unless I know that I will 100% win the fight against the knife guy I won't risk my life. So talk all you want, you would have done the same keyboard warrior...

[@omgwtflmaololrotfl2368]

​@@flanknstank1852agreed

[@loveforeignaccents]

Such a shame he was able to continue on living his life as a free man for seven years after killing that beautiful young lady. I also feel bad for his wife and child, as I'm sure neither of them had no clue about what he had done. Glad he ended up getting life, and hopefully that is without any chance of parole!! Hoping Andrea's parents can someone find some semblance of peace after their tragic loss. EDIT: Forgot to thank you for the upload. Have a good one!

[@stuartthursfield4333]

That mum didn’t feel guilty one bit. It was self preservation she told the police where he went. She should be locked up too.

[@z.k.7330]

He seems to be just like her. Self-serving to no end.

[@MelissaLee-sk9ki]

Disgusting. All around. That judge in Brazil needs to be on trial for his actions.

[@gdeec]

We cannot blame our past for future crimes. I was bullied for 12 years and have no intention of doing the same to any other human being. Personal trauma simply makes us grow, develop and react differently.

[@josephmarzullo]

That’s because you’re beta

[@gdeec]

​@@josephmarzullo Obviously.

[@Boyhead1973]

Now she wants him to serve life?! But prior to him turning on you (his own mother) you aided in him leaving the country.... ridiculous. And it's absolutely abysmal that everyone just stood there and watched... I don't even think they flinched... just stoic...

[@cdes1776]

Um, I don't think stoic is the word you're looking for: "Stoicism is a school of philosophy that hails from ancient Greece and Rome in the early parts of the 3rd century, BC. It is a philosophy of life that maximizes positive emotions, reduces negative emotions and helps individuals to hone their virtues of character."

[@britty23]

​@cdes1776 stoic and stoicism have different definitions. Stoic means "a person who can endure pain or hardship without showing their feelings or complaining"

[@cdes1776]

@@britty23 Thanks for your reply. It's a tricky word. And you used it correctly as I'm watching another true crime channel and the narrator used the same context you did. My bad!

[@lakab2]

You can't blame someone for their trauma response when they're witnessing something as horrifying as a murder. Some people freeze up and they can't control it. And also, most people don't want to confront some deranged murderer because they don't want to get themselves murdered.

[@KM-fckutube]

The reason many people won’t intervene is because they don’t want to be murdered too. Most people involved in such a rage fueled attack no longer care about their own life. You must be ready to kill him with everything inside you, because he’s going to fight you off with all he’s got. Is a stranger worth that? Not to most people unfortunately.

[@Pisces-1978]

I'm utterly disgusted by so many things in this horrid unnecessary tragedy. But NO ONE, not 1 of those many witnesses did a single thing?! I'm sorry, I understand it was a shocking scene but c'mon! Couldn't throw a rock at him, your shoe...something that may have distracted him. This case is absolutely horrendous + disturbing. The South African Gov, as well as the Brazilian Gov should be ashamed. He is a pathetic coward who deserves every pain known to man + his parents are just as disgusting. I am stunned at how many times he was released by moron judges. Poor Andrea...I hope she is resting in peace 🙏 God Bless her parents. I wish them strength + love 💜

[@ennds4636]

I lost count of the number of times i whispered WTF while watching this. It's so upsetting that no one helped her in public.

[@zenquarium]

Yup same here...this is astonishing and super scary ...how many others roaming around capable of such actions...our world is f...d

[@sureiamboo]

My heart broke for Andrea Venters parents 💔. Thanks for sharing this case with us!

[@colourqueen22]

I think all countries in Southern Africa have an understanding about just how bad crime in South Africa is. If someone is getting mugged in broad daylight, everyone else minds their business. It really is sad how bad it is there. RIP Andrea

[@MarioGoatse]

You know you’re in a LOT of trouble when Johannesburg is where you go to feel safe lol. It’s one of the most dangerous cities on earth.

[@josmclove4426]

I'm in South Africa and in our community we protect each other!

[@colourqueen22]

@@josmclove4426 that is how it ought to be 👏🏾 I love hearing such stories

[@ginadow3375]

I'd never heard of this case berfore. Thank you for , as always, such well put together coverage.

[@jordanziegra7624]

Andrea Venter was born in 1985, not 1993. I know it isn’t probably a huge deal considering how horrible her murder was, but I just wanted to point that out.

[@acekelly1000]

Thank you.

[@GetCraftyLemons]

Poetic justice that he cannot watch his child grow up and not have his wife! I hope the wife realizes she is lucky and never sees him again!!

[@anekruger7799]

I'm from SA. Thank you for covering this case. It's really sickening and should be talked about to prevent future cases. I was impressed with your pronunciation of Afrikaans names and surnames. It's the best I've ever heard from an American. If you ever need help in future with an Afrikaans case and the pronunciation, I'd be happy to help. Obviously at no charge. Thank you for what you do.

[@josephinebos8325]

I am dutch, and I don't agree with you.

[@angelafranklin2267]

Love your compassion for the victims. Your voice is liquid silk to my ears, too.! Much love from New Jersey.

[@lawnmow3rg1rl]

I hope the onlookers WERE haunted by it, ffs. For the rest of their lives and beyond! NOBODY tried to help?? 😢 They deserve to be haunted by it. 😠

[@minorityreport559]

Amen! & Amen!😡

[@darealisthereis31.]

They actually deserve the same treatment!

[@hollyfarr7209]

Damn rite!! High 5 ✋️ Well put

[@darealisthereis31.]

🤚🏽

[@KingKong_CH]

Here it's a felony not to help people in danger

[@acam1294]

Every murderous and controlling husband/boyfriend uses the "if I can't have her, nobody can". That rationalization doesn't even make sense, unless you fall in the aforementioned categories. Those can become the most dangerous

[@CJLOVE23]

Nothing more dangerous on this earth than a rejected man

[@blueforest2927]

​@@CJLOVE23You mean 'monster'.

[@bullast2046]

Wives/ girlfriends too.. Jodi Arias is one example

[@cavemanmeat8321]

@@CJLOVE23 Most men are accustomed to rejection. So you are false.

[@CAHSR2020]

@@CJLOVE23 Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

[@doctorshell7118]

It certainly didn’t take this case to “question the integrity” of the justice system of Brazil. Brazil is notoriously corrupt.

[@wowyswagger5061]

What's even scarier is that the lady he began a new life with in Brazil probably didn't even know she was married to and had had a child with a wanted murderer.

[@equivalentexchangeisalie5726]

And now her daughter has no father. Which is the fault of the Brazilian judge who let him out. Smh

[@staybanging101]

Well done with the pronunciation of the SA words - very good efforts !

[@bonniemiller4296]

I love your videos and the way you analyze each case from criminal psychologists point of view. I've learned so much from watching you and I hope you continue to make these! Thank you!

[@achristine80]

Those people just stood there without intervening while he did this to her?! Absolute cowards!

[@bozzco1]

Well if they could of have had a gun or a weapon on them people may of helped but governments and "Think of the children" types puts a stop to that.

[@cavemanmeat8321]

You "ladies" are not entitlted to random men being your "white knights". We owe you nothing.

[@admiralsnackbar69]

​@bozzco1 oh sod off with that bullshit, they were cowards end off. Don't need a gun to beat someone down.

[@bozzco1]

@@admiralsnackbar69 sod off with that bullshit, he had a knife. no one is a coward for not wanting to die.

[@MarioGoatse]

@@bozzco1Guns don’t keep you safe. They just give your criminals easier ways to kill you

[@Lisa-Peter7875]

Bystander effect. Catherine Genovese was sadly murdered the same way. Onlookers didn't help her. Sickening.😢

[@CAHSR2020]

The Catherine Genovese crime was real but the article about onlookers was fabricated for effect. They made a documentary about it.

[@whitezircon]

I found this story to be disgusting, and my god the suffering this family had to go through!🤬

[@dr.renateschubert1932]

As a South African, you covered that story brilliantly… all factually 👌🏽

[@cml.3958]

That’s actually crazy to aid your son who is not only a piece of sh*t but ain’t you abandon him to be left with his abusive father?? Like ain’t you part of the fact he’s like this?? So now you want to ‘help’ him?? Absolutely abysmal

[@dragonmummy1]

Every time a man does something awful, people (Often women) look for a woman to blame too.

[@lifeofamodernwoman]

This mother lost her other children to suicide. Perhaps she clung to what was left of her family

[@cml.3958]

@@lifeofamodernwoman I’d understand that if it was a different matter but his crime was absolutely brutal. You can’t aid him in escaping those consequences as such a huge threat to the public. It’s awful that her children’s life turned out that way but it’s still not justifiable. There’s truly no winners in this and it’s awful😣

[@Beastmode-zx9gm]

She was probably scared asf of what hed do to her if she didnt help 🤷🏼‍♀️

[@flej01]

R.I.P my heart goes out to your parents, family and friends. What an unbelievable case of events.

[@lunxr_egg]

Every single bystander helped him complete this murder and should carry that with them forever. Her blood is partially on their hands and they should be haunted by that.

[@keithfinch1053]

A South African here. Love your show mate. Not surprised by the inept SA Justice System. Place is a joke. That poor family. This is an insane story. Keep up with the great content!

[@hunee8]

$1,000 bond! What is wrong with that court system. This is truly messed up

[@Upintheclouds94]

Rest in peace Andrea and condolences to her family and friends. 🕊️ I hope the onlookers are haunted for an eternity.

[@Dawna-gp1zk]

Yes. Pathetic onlookers are despicable cowards.

[@jeaninefeldtmann423]

I remember when this happened, and even after years of watching true crime, this is still one of those cases that stayed with me since then. Some other South African cases that you can look at are those of Michael van Eck, the Modimolle Monster, The Axeman killer, and Hannah Cornelius (and there are so many others if you might need more suggestions). And for a terrifying case with a positive ending you can look at Allison Botha's case. Thanks for the great channel!

[@loveforeignaccents]

Free man out on bail after that horrendous -- obviously premeditated and first-degree -- murder?!? And his parents should have been charged as accomplices for helping him escape.

[@kitamarie830]

I feel for anyone who had to grow up in an environment like the one this guy did, but that doesn't absolve him of guilt or culpability. There are so many people who are raised in horrific conditions who don't grow up to brutalize others.

[@dianec9456]

I am so mad at the onlookers - how DARE they not intervene?! Our society is broken.

[@shweetblonde]

Intervene with a man with a knife? Really? Would you have done something?

[@samsamcupcakes6476]

​@@shweetblonde How about the guards? I don't know what I'd do but I wouldn't just stand and watch...

[@nandinirm2234]

Well done for covering psychological aspect of the murder

[@anitaford4138]

Seriously?!! How in the heck can people just watch such a brutal attack and not at least try to help?! That's disgusting!! Then there's the idiotic justice system with their heads in the sand, and then there's good 'ol backtracking mom. The ONLY reason she "changed her mind" and gave her son up was to save her own ass from any prosecution!! This whole event is just so vulgar and sad! My heart goes out to her parents!!! ❤❤❤

[@cavemanmeat8321]

No one is entitled to safety.

[@flanknstank1852]

What would you have done against a knife wielding maniac? You John Wick? Do we live in a movie? Unless you have a gun you aren't doing a damn thing.😂

[@Clover-tf7jc]

The mother also asked that he be given life because he had threatened hers!

[@anitaford4138]

@@flanknstank1852 Call 911? Distract the maniac by throwing things at him? Examples of "trying" to help instead of just standing there and watching. Understand now?! 🙄

[@flanknstank1852]

@@anitaford4138 I watched the same video as you I assume. How do you know that no one called 911? The cops showed up. What are you planning on throwing that will distract him and not hit the poor woman he's out there shanking to death. I'm sure that in your head all cozy in your home behind your pc you have it all figured out but this is the real world we are talking about. I was homeless living on the streets for 6 years. You have no idea what you're talking about. I almost forgot to add that little eye roll emoji 🙄 that you use to try and be condescending about things you clearly aren't educated on.

[@JosephSmith-xy4lp]

Onlookers bystanders could have saved Andrea I blame them for not helping her

[@TheRealJaded]

Not really their obligation... but yes they COULD have done something. Are they to blame? No.

[@Blueh36]

Strong independent woman can protect themselves.

[@shadstout6387]

Everybody knows exactly how they would handle a life or death situation until they are actually put in front of one. I'm sure it is a comfort to believe that your natural instinct would be to run towards somebody violently flailing a knife with obvious homicidal intent, but I wonder if you would keep that same energy while dealing with the shock of watching someone's life being taken in front of your face.

[@flashpb04]

Dude… blame the psycho that committed the authorities. Onlookers have primary responsibilities towards themselves and their families, and THEN to a stranger. If they could safely help then yes I agree, but they are absolutely not to blame if they didn’t feel safe doing so.

[@craigm2484]

I must say 14 times he stabbed her then himself now if someone was 20ft from them perhaps they could have prevented him from self inflicted wound but not stop the stabbing of her unfortunately . I am in no way sticking up for him or being rude to you I am just being real . Have a Good Day or Night 🙏🏻

[@d.dorough]

Honestly lost track of how many times I said "WHAT??!?". What a roller coaster of a story. Truly relieved and happy with the end result. Long live justice!!

[@kenseyc1180]

I appreciate all of the work that goes into these videos SO MUCH! I just have to say the constant background beat has my anxiety SKY ROCKETING. I hope I’m not the only one lol and if I am, just ignore me 🤣 thanks again for your work!!! I love all of your videos so much.

[@QueenofPoppies]

Me too with the background beat! I kept taking my earbuds out to see if it was my heart or what making the sound

[@kenseyc1180]

@@QueenofPoppies yes same!!!! And the concern of it being my heart made my heart also race LOL

[@KayyyRae]

Wow this frustrated me so much, i can't imagine having to deal with this as her family.

[@t.seliot5257]

Justice has not been served . Life in prison without the possibility of parole is not enough !

[@OrangeMan4Prez2024]

Protective Orders are a joke, and often just provide more information to a stalker. But concealed carry permits, on the other hand, can save your life.

[@texasrefugee7888]

Self defense classes more effective. Nobody can get it, use it on you. Nobody can break in your place, steal it. Nobody can arrest you for it. You can't mistake your kid or girlfriend for a burglar. You can't unalive yourself making a dumb mistake with, for example cleaning it. You're much more likely to experience one of those than getting a bad guy. Especially close up.

[@crybbysckatit]

No need for permit, just carry anyway. Criminals also make laws.

[@Iwannaps5]

Don’t forget lots of firearms training too, owning a weapon is a huge responsibility and should not be taken lightly.

[@evanpruitt5844]

Yes. No need to purchase fancy items for a firearm you don’t know how to use correctly.

[@lareneandpipsqueeksully]

Well I wished someone would have told me that after my protective was served, I could only call the police and be told it was a civil matter now than hung up on me! I’m sure if I crumbled the protective order and threw it at my ex I would have been charged with assault!

[@DangerLurking]

Loved it, just a side note in South Africa we pronounce words differently. Venter is pronounced Fenterr, van Vuuren is Faan Firren

[@DrHenryAuD]

I could not care less that he was abused as a child. That’s not an excuse to hurt or kill other people. Everything he did was his decision, and his decision alone. I was abused by my father. I was raped. But I’m not abusive to my family or anyone. If anything, being abused and repeatedly raped has made me more compassionate and empathetic. It has made me want to help others rather than hurt them.

[@leelunk8235]

THE POLICE OFFICER WHO DISCLOSED HER LOCATION IS PARTIALLY TO BLAME..HER PARENTS SHOULD HAVE FLED TO ANOTHER COUNTRY..HOW WAS HE FREED ON BAIL..THE LAW IS BROKEN AROUND THE WORLD

[@CarpeNutella]

Wow. Even with a better understanding of the bystander effect, things haven't improved since Kitty Genovese.

[@lorigrimes5251]

I aways think back to what I was doing when these crimes take place. It's so horrendous and sad to know that probably right now someone is suffering while we are ok

[@vickiebonbeauty1395]

I cannot believe that people just stood by and watched. Incredible... RIP, child.

[@studiosandi]

So nice of you to present her stalker / murderer and a beautiful light. She says sarcastically...

[@AmeliasMiMi]

This case was extremely horrific and yes, shocking! I suppose the most ironic part of this entire story is now that this monster is serving life in prison where he certainly belongs, he won’t be there to shield and protect his own daughter from Monsters like himself. Then again…. After second thoughts, She’s probably better off taking her chances without him! Rip Andrea. Fly high, Angel! 🕊️💔

[@AmeliasMiMi]

Unfortunately after escaping someone this barbaric, it would’ve been appropriate for Andrea and her entire family to have a name change and all move into a city as big as Johannesburg. No, this isn’t fair to them at all, but it’s more about preservation of life at this point.

[@Mary_Beth_Reimer]

I'm glad they finally cornered him. It's sad that it took that long.

[@Yodahaley]

I love the ending, I'm so glad they got him. Andrea deserves her Justice and she just got it.❤

[@LauPalomas]

I like the new entry videos (about the victims and criminals), the well knowed song that makes Beyond evil sooo emblematic and the final words.. stay safe.. you never know what's lurking in the shadows!

[@janetmcclure8568]

That was shocking. With all of those witnesses he should have been jailed immediately after his hospital stay.

[@jenniliberty4287]

I’ve never been so mad after watching one of these videos. The system is a failure and that’s an understatement

[@reYouMad]

She deserved all the best things of life. Such a beautiful talented women. ❤️

[@suitejodi]

This story brings me back to an awful time in my life. I’ve also had to move because of a stalker…a female stalker in my case. This woman had severe mental problems including drug and alcohol addiction. I took her threats seriously. Just thinking back to how scared I was. I don’t know what she was capable of and I remember how that period in my life was complete chaos and turmoil. I’m obviously fine, but there were times when I thought for sure she was going to harm me or my animals:

[@deckydeckstar825]

As a South African, I am thanking you for not bad mouthing our country. I recently unsubscribed from another true crime channel (after giving him a piece of my mind) because of how bad he spoke about South Africa and posting the worst parts of our country. I really appreciate this.

[@KingWiz912]

Notice how he was able to move on and start a family only after killing her, when that’s all he had to do in the first place.

[@mimali3692]

And he had a daughter SMDH

[@encl4v3]

Love your videos but that beating in the background is killing me lol

[@sydney_rave]

How extremely frustrating for the family to have to wait that long for justice for their daughter's murder. For me his upbringing and abuse by his father really shaped him to become what he became. If he was raised differently with love etc I highly doubt he would have been such a monster.

[@primesspct2]

However true that may be, he still is a monster. He will always hate his mother, for leaving him with his abusive father, and he will always hate women. That's sad, but he is a menace to society.

[@luxeternal1258]

Unfortunately her mother passed away in 2016 and never saw justice for her daughter.

[@billding7073]

Justice is not only blind, but stumbling, fumbling and absurdly inefficient.

[@Branka114]

Zastrašujuća je činjenica da nikome od nazočnih ljudi nije proradio instinkt za obranu slabijeg bića u nevolji da je samo jedna osoba krenula pomoć moguće da bi se i ostali ljudi pridružili u pružanju pomoći Počivaj u miru draga Andrea

[@moselleconger4156]

I’m a first responder and we call it the bystander effect when people watch but no one intervenes. Crowds often need someone to step up first before they’ll all wake up and help. With that said, the bystanders would be putting their own lives at risk if they attempted to step in and then no one can contact the police for any type of possible help. I can’t imagine the horror she felt and I know the crowd thinks about it often and some people probably wish they stepped in somehow. This man was going to get her regardless if they were somewhere where there was a crowd or if he waited for her to go home alone to attack. He had an agenda and she didn’t stand a chance. Breaks my heart!

[@_Y.Not_]

Every one of them were cowards for not even trying to intervene.

[@Danica.Powell]

I know you are right, I had forgotten about the bystander effect but I've seen it, it does happen. Horrible situation for everyone involved, I wouldn't want to go through what Andrea went through and I wouldn't want to see it either.

[@MarcIwanicki]

Cant help thinking about guy on ny subway intervened too aid and stop freak from hurting people and as he retrained him the freak died. Now the commies are charging the guy for intervening. This current commie regime wants to give aid the freak criminals

[@flanknstank1852]

​@@_Y.Not_Don't forget to starch your cape there super hero. 😂

[@Princesswag]

@@flanknstank1852 I wonder how you would feel if 100s of people stood around and watch your mother, father, grandmother etc. get murdered.

[@cathycloer5665]

Parents play a very important part in the lives of their children.

[@christine_lovelace]

How did the neighbors not hear her

[@Sciencenerd11]

thank you for bringing us content that i've never heard of !!

[@AliKhan-yx1dy]

How can any one stand there and just watch how wicked this world has become