THE WALKING DEAD - 4X14 - 2 SWEET 2 STUBBORN! - REACTION

[@themourningstar338]

Lizzie was suffering from severe mental illness. It wasn't stubbornness or being too sheltered or her age. She had delusional thinking caused by her mental illness, and she literally saw the walkers as something different than what they really are. Back in the beginning of the season Mika in a very matter of fact way stated that Lizzie is messed up. When their father died, Mika had her do the "look at the flowers" with the counting and breathing. That is a therapy technique, and it's clearly an old hat for Mika to have to take care of her big sister. It's safe to assume (and heavily implied) that Lizzie's mental illness issues existed before the apocalypse, and that she had been in therapy (and possibly on medication). There was no preventing it, and no amount of trying to teach Lizzie was ever going to work. The only thing that would have prevented Mika's death would have been if Lizzie had died first. Carol didn't really have much of a choice. Lizzie would have killed Judith, Carol or Tyreese at the first opportunity that presented itself, or got herself ripped apart by walkers. She had zero understanding or remorse for what she did to her sister. There would have to be someone awake and watching her 24/7..... and to what end? Without the proper therapy, anti-psychotic medication, and stable environment her mental health would only continue to decline. And don't forget that Tyreese of all people agreed that was what they needed to do. It was a horrible situation with equally horrible options, and absolutely no chance of a good outcome.

[@joshteague4403]

perfectly put, id also add it was also obviously her who had cut apart the animal in the underground part of the prison and pinned it on a board, only got a short look in as it happens as the Governor attacks with the tank.

[@willsofer3679]

The big clues being her literally mutilating animals for fun, and the fact that Lizzie mentioned, in passing, that she can "hear" what the Walkers "are saying"... A bit surprised Dan didn't pick up on any of this.

[@marygarrison9882]

Fun fact. The puzzle they were working on throughout the episode is a picture of Sophia coming out of the barn. The director came over and placed the picture of what it was on the table to show them what it was just before they shot the conversation scene between Carol and Tyrese.

[@sallyatticum]

I did not know that. Wow.

[@annapurna4054]

True, except for one detail. It was a picture of Sophia in her rainbow t-shirt, before she became a walker. 😭

[@sallyatticum]

Oh that's good. I thought that the other would be incredibly morbid. @@annapurna4054

[@RandomPerson2times]

This is my favorite standalone episode of the entire show. It’s like a short film. “Look at the flowers, Lizzie” still gives me chills

[@bengtpedersen5055]

This episode is one of the darkest episodes for me. And I always thought that when Carol told Tyreese she was through with it. In that moment she wanted to die because all that she's lost.

[@samanthanickson6478]

and that she saw the similarity between she and lizzie. 💔

[@ElixerAlix]

I’ve looked it up and the only thing I can find is that Lizzie was probably suffering from some kind of schizophrenia and saw the walkers as people and was “hearing them”. But in reality she just had a severe illness that would not have gone away and was only worsening.

[@damango444]

“I’m gonna name her Gazelda gunderson😄” absolutely killed me. Then the rest of the episodes had me so sad

[@JasakaD]

Mika did say at one point that Lizzie was messed up even before the apocalypse.

[@thatgirlwearingglasses4133]

She didn’t say she was messed up before the apocalypse. She just said she is messed up.

[@JasakaD]

@@thatgirlwearingglasses4133 I believe she did. "Look at the flowers" came from her mental health care. None of that was available after the Apocalypse began.

[@crystallee9543]

In the episode where lizzies dad dies he looks at mika and says take care of your sister..

[@alexthrailkill]

When you’re angry, blame Philip. None of our gang would be going through their life changing side missions if “The Governor” didn’t ruin our happy home in the prison :( Tough episode man.

[@zunnpy]

*VIOLENTLY CRYING* Mika was so precious 😭😭 she deserved so much better

[@rdvangogh]

I always thought Carol wanted the kids to be competent with weapons and defence because she didn’t want to lose her own life protecting them. She knew she’d put herself in jeopardy for them, this way she wouldn’t have to. Plus, I think Lizzie had been medicated before and in therapy for a severe mental illness. Her parents probably didn’t mention it to anyone for fear of being kicked out, or having folks believe she is dangerous.

[@Virginny]

This episode breaks my heart everytime. I really do think Mika could have made it.

[@svenheimes2494]

Also because Brighton Sharbino played Lizzie so so good.

[@uncoolmartin460]

@@svenheimes2494 very true, she played it very well, I never cared for the Lizzie character. But felt that Mika had "the right stuff", even though I felt that they were both dragging Carol down.

[@zunnpy]

Right!! She could've been a scavenger

[@SubhaGojo]

You gotta admit the fact that the girl played Lizzie did a GREAT JOB

[@tonyschannel7438]

Brighton Sharbino

[@thatgirlwearingglasses4133]

Tell me about it!!

[@AmericanMumReacts]

This episode was such a controversy at the time it aired.... 😭

[@abdulrosyida236]

i love how much your face slowly change when you realized what happened 😂

[@nekoaltman305]

I’m super late but Lizzie appeared to suffer from some form of schizophrenia that was progressing rapidly due to being out in the wild with the walkers.

[@jaycemcqueen306]

Incorrect

[@nekoaltman305]

@@jaycemcqueen306 brilliant argument Jayce

[@brookcty]

I remember commenting on the reaction where Carol teaches the children how to kill. I stand by saying that she should've spoken to the parents. This was a consequence of that. If Carol had spoken to Mika and Lizzie's father then she would've gotten the information on her mental health. Lizzie was struggling before the apocalypse so teaching her to kill unlocked a darker side to her personality. We all know Carol intentions wasn't bad but Carol is projecting her trauma from her daughter's death on to these children. When you're teaching children how to protect themselves in the apocalypse you need be very attentive and instill morals. We saw how Carl became cold and started making rash decisions, it's why he needed a break from his gun. Rick was being a great father by assessing the situation and removing Carl from it. It's easy for kids to become child soldiers in that environment. So I say yes teach your children to protect themselves but also instill morals.

[@colormecaptured50]

Didnt they talk about at some point that Lizzie was on medication for a mental illness before the apocalypse and when everything fell she obviously couldnt get the medicine she needed anymore? It seemed like I remembered that conversation happening. I cant imagine being Carol and having to make that decision..but it was the right one for the world they are living in. Look at the Flowers will always be an iconic line. Tyreese is a big teddy bear and I love him for it. R.I.P Mika 💔

[@thatgirlwearingglasses4133]

No, that conversation did not happen.

[@colormecaptured50]

@thatgirlwearingglasses4133 I guess I just imagined it lol 😆

[@sergiopenaforte6842]

This episode is a masterpiece, one of my favorites. Carol's tears break me every single time. 😥

[@PigossiWhisky17]

Lizzie is such a unique character, so iconic.

[@changedmynamebcyallwouldnt..]

love her

[@mrFslim]

A good one. Poor mika she will be missed she was so cute.

[@jackmars931]

Honestly, one of the 5 best episodes of Television I've ever seen.

[@annapurna4054]

I don't think Tyreese would have killed her either, but that said, he's able to forgive her now because he took part in making the decision to kill Lizzie. As you indicated, that gave him the ability to understand what she did with Karen and David in a way he wouldn't have understood before this. He told her he knows she feels it and that it will always be with her. He knows that because now Lizzie's death will always be with him and something that he'll always feel. This is one of the most powerful episodes in the entire series. It generated a lot of Emmy buzz in the media at the time, especially for Melissa McBride (Carol). Most of the media considered her a frontrunner for an Emmy nomination that year. Unfortunately, the Emmys continued their long tradition of ignoring the fantastic actors on TWD. But she was nominated for a Critics Choice Television Award and she won the Saturn Award. As others have mentioned, Lizzie was suffering from mental illness even before the ZA. There were hints given in earlier episodes that she'd been undergoing therapy/treatment. Tragically, that was no longer an option in the ZA world. They couldn't have one of them leave (or stay) with Lizzie, because there's no way the other one could have made it alone with a baby to care for. Ultimately, as horrific as it was, the decision they made was the only one that would (theoretically) allow Judith to survive.

[@sallyatticum]

Yes, this is exactly what I thought, as well.

[@matthew6427]

I could talk forever about this episode. It asks so many questions and breaks your heart. The writing in this show, amiright? I think the show does the deaths right, most of the time. None of us really get a good way to go out. It's just a fact. It's never pretty & it almost always means nothing. I think in that way, the show does a phenomenal job. It really does a good job at how things would really happen & the questions that would arise.

[@svenheimes2494]

After all these years and so many rewatches, this still hits me deep in the guts. 😢😢😢

[@DrWatson4]

It really is interesting in seeing the change in Dans thoughts and emotions throughout this show as had this been season 1 Dan seeing this with the build up I think it breaks him but his behaviour has been changed by the show there’s no visible grief at the horrific scenes just anger or shock or a complete numbness. But let me tell you this show has ways and means of getting through that numbness to snap you in two 😈

[@thatgirlwearingglasses4133]

He’s always been pretty numb. He does not cry. Which is fine, he doesn’t have to.

[@sallyatticum]

I did consider warning you that there are some really difficult scenes in this series.... But you handled this better than I thought you would. (It still makes me cry) Did you cry during editing? This was foreshadowed way back when Mika talked about Lizzie's therapy from before the apocalypse and seeing Lizzie feeding the walkers at the prison. This episode clearly is inspired by Of Mice and Men. (There is an audio play of this starring David Tennant and Richard Madden with not too shabby southern American accents.)

[@thatgirlwearingglasses4133]

I guarantee you he didn’t cry at all.

[@peggykunkel9180]

This was such an emotional episode. I love that TWD dealt with severe mental illness to show the dilemma it causes. As a parent of a child with mental illness it has always been on my mind - how would my family survive. My solution would be to stay with my child while sending off the rest of the family. This would give the family a chance of surviving. I don't know if I could do what Carol had to do. This is why this show is so great because it shows how complicated human beings and relationships can be.

[@ami7mina]

Just look at the flowers, Dan. Just look at the flowers. 😂

[@aidab8924]

Sometimes ending a person in the apocalypse, I think, is required..(if they appear as a threat. There be may instances where you don’t get a chance to know who that person was before the fall. It would almost be a reflex at that point. Of course you may feel intense guilt afterwards, but I guess it depends how badly you want to continue living in the apocalypse …

[@melissagilby3959]

Pretty controversial episode but I didn’t see any other solution! Lizzie was dangerous to everyone and herself. Especially Judith! In this world there is no help and no other solution that I can think of! She probably would have gotten herself killed in alot worse way being ripped apart by a Walker rather than to not see it coming. Poor Carol, poor Lizzie and poor Mica 😢

[@DrWatson4]

Lizzie is mentally ill and there had been signs of it throughout the show this and a line from Mika hinting that she was the same before the apocalypse as well I can’t remember which it is but Lizzie is a psychopath which is heavily ******

[@areenelson4713]

Loved your review of my favorite episode of TWD. I love how the episode contrasts the pastoral cottage in the forest and the evils of the apocalypse.

[@rogers.5153]

It was criminal that Melissa McBride wasn't nominated for an Emmy for this episode, she surely would have won!

[@samanthanickson6478]

what makes this even more tragic is that lizzie realized that she wasn’t just going to be punished. because she took a human life and knew the thinking of all around her, that you killed walkers and NOT humans, she knew that in the end she had to pay the price with her life. she was remorseful but knew she had to die for her choice. too much to deal with.

[@ElixerAlix]

She wasn’t remorseful in the way that she wished she never killed Mika she was in the way that she knew she wouldn’t be understood because she knows there’s no one else like her

[@prudy67]

My favorite episode of the entire 11 seasons. Flawless.

[@JosephMartin-km7wq]

Look at the flowers

[@Kevin.Costner.]

still can't believe she Killed her sister to prove a pointless point😭😭😭😭

[@JosephMartin-km7wq]

Yh I know maybe she was always a bit special

[@Kevin.Costner.]

@@JosephMartin-km7wqLucky It was Carol too Rick woulda of Beat her Alive Hearing what she almost pulled to Judith🤣🤣

[@JosephMartin-km7wq]

@deo267 yh😂😂

[@edwinyouell6449]

Great reaction! I knew this one would be fun. 🤣 Your commentary is always great, and this did not disappoint.

[@matthew6427]

Man, dropping a video at 6:00am my time? Now I have to watch. Always a great video, keep up the amazing work!

[@Virginny]

Oh also i have to ask how are you likeing the music this season? Music is kind of my life and i absolutely adore the music for seasons 3 and 4 in particular. Some of the songs have remained in my personal playlists for years now.

[@korivex742]

Lizzie had mental issues before all of this back before the fall, that is why she couldn't adapt to this new world.

[@walkerst8785]

Such a heartbreaking episode. It is still one of my favorite episodes even it is pretty dark.

[@crystallee9543]

In the real world a child with mental illness is bad enough.. then no meds no mom no dad just your little sister trying to make you realize whats real.. do you think carol should have killed lizzie? I do because i would be terrified all the time that judith or myself could die anytime we slept..

[@pamsing4601]

Woww you're here already? Craaaazy episode. One of those moral dilemmas & decisions we're faced with.

[@ripsage.]

Just started the video, knowing what this episode is this has got to be a killer for you, looking forward to the reaction.

[@ellereacts528]

You guys are doing so well with all the spoilers----NOT. Please don't do it. If you comment has gone away, it is because there was a spoiler in it or someone else commented in your post with one~Mod

[@ZombehPanda]

I can't help but think if Carol hadn't tried to hide educating the kids on weapons without their parents' approval, that Lizzie's dad could've warned Carol that Lizzie has mental health issues and could be dangerous to the group.

[@artoriasgirl]

I've watched this show probably a dozen times and this episode is always one of the absolute worst to go through. Just feels like such a waste of character potential for Mikah to die like that. But it is so touching for Tyreese to forgive Carol, he's truly a good soul. Also, great Sean of the Dead shirt, I love it!!

[@jodyhouser6437]

This is a powerful episode. It shows the awful reality of what mental illness would be like in this world. There would be no wait to help someone like her.

[@kapiushon3]

Can't wait for the next episodes

[@gypsysoul.]

Award winning episode! 🏆 Melissa McBride is gold. Keep up the fantastic work 🤩

[@maddielkaye]

As everyone else stated in the comments, Lizzie was definitely mentally ill before the apocalypse. In my opinion she suffered from psychopathy. And the world ending, losing therapy, losing dad, and then the prison? It was enough for that psychopathy to present itself. She killed animals for no reason other than she wanted to. She didn’t feed them all to walkers. Hence the bunnies in the tree stump, and the rat inside the prison. Lizzie was a lost cause the moment the world decided to end. Carol did what she had to.

[@emilyprovance7413]

Lol I get asked all the time, would you eat meat if you were starving. And I tell them yes, my dogs, and cats, and high and I would eat you.

[@BryanMcdonough]

Rip Karen, David, Zach, Patrick, Dr S Caleb, Ryan, Luke, Molly, Lizzie and Mika from the prison group

[@WhatsIQ]

10:06 Ngl I wanna know how she managed to capture these rats

[@amberaegard]

The Grove. Everyone knows what that means.

[@user-ev4kc9vo2b]

Another upload‼️‼️

[@craySean]

this episode was very hard to watch! i've been waiting for you to get to this episode and hear your thoughts.

[@Kevin.Costner.]

this writing team was cooking with these scripts, Peak era during 2010's on IMDB was only behind Game of thrones everytime you checked TV show section🥺🐐

[@tiffanyphillips6086]

I don't know why you get so angry about the deaths. I mean it's a TV show people are gonna die that's what makes The Walking Dead so good cause you never know who's next. I mean yeah a few of the deaths throughout all of the seasons have made me mad but most of them were just sad . And this death was sad heartbreaking actually. Lizzie was sick she had some kind of mental illness.

[@marlouabueva2988]

That girl. There's something wrong in her head.

[@aryandev1005]

DanReadd can u watch 1 episode per day 😁😁 otherwise it would be years

[@devharbor]

PP AGREE WITH U 9.3 ON IMDB

[@irvingsecret1456]

Lizzy was crazy she had to go anyway ik its cold to say because shes a child but at same time i knew she was little delusional and crazy

[@Nie_Wiem_KimJestem]

In the previous material you said that this season is slowly becoming your favorite. I'm curious how much that word "slowly" has accelerated after this :P

[@juliem7555]

Un épisode qui ne laisse pas indifférent...

[@julianmikkelborg8860]

Killing means surviving....

[@SFutureReacts]

Look at the flowers...