In a brutal assault, Rick and the gang expend 100 rounds of ammunition to break Negan's windows and takes a Polaroid of it. That'll teach him.
@phillynch3925 жыл бұрын
And also Rick somehow can't hit Negan from 40 yards away. Then again Rosita couldn't hit him from ten yards away. Negan is magic.
@JohnWickzs4 жыл бұрын
Phil Lynch simple answer: plot armor
@buzz6224 жыл бұрын
I think his ghoul was to keep them pinned down while the heard shows up.
@Charles-Pettibone4 жыл бұрын
They broke the windows to attract the walkers from the shattering.
@AlejoConejo-vb8ln4 жыл бұрын
@@Charles-Pettibone Actually they shot at the windows because Negan is not stupid, he had snipers aiming at them from the windows. In Episode 5 after the meeting with Gregory, Negan looks down at them and orders people to get in position in the windows. What Rick did is called suppressive fire.
Who would ever thought about a priest carrying an assault rifle...
@Daniel-cy8pz5 жыл бұрын
V3dita BR this is America
@Ccg90245 жыл бұрын
Especially one who was a coward and let his own people die outside his church just a few seasons before.
@kobk2253 жыл бұрын
No one make a spray n pray joke.
@Voucher7653 жыл бұрын
@@Daniel-cy8pz Come on this middle fucking America everyone is armed to the teeth.
@Erick-ou9qj3 жыл бұрын
In a Zombie Apocalypse i'd say it's kinda normal
@draco1803 Жыл бұрын
Imagine if the situation didnt need plot armor. One sniper behind the front line and negan is no more
@mannycervantes1106 Жыл бұрын
It’s a show tho lmao. They’re clearly gonna keep them alive they’re not gonna kill negan off especially in the first episode ☠️ people take it too seriously the show is cracked
@diddydiscipIe Жыл бұрын
@@mannycervantes1106 fr
@Jdb63 Жыл бұрын
@@mannycervantes1106The writers could have written it so the situation wasn't ridiculous then. Like well written respected shows do
@mannycervantes1106 Жыл бұрын
@@Jdb63 many things are pretty stupid in s8. Like Eugene tricking the saviors in the last episode that was pretty stupid
@sammydserenity3849 Жыл бұрын
Y’all keep forgetting this show is based on a comic book
@AidanFarren-Hart2 жыл бұрын
Not one Saviour tried to help Negan. It’s like Rick said: “See, it’s times like this you realise who your true friends are.”
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
Because they know how dangerous rick is. Negans leash on rick was severed n the tiger has been cut loose. That being said the saviors excluding Simon considered the option of abandoning negan for their own guaranteed safety knowing that they're not responsible for the deaths of abraham n glenn n sasha only negan was therefore the only grudge was with negan not the rest of them
@mrj4082 Жыл бұрын
@@angelcadena8052 yet none of negans liutenents accepted ricks option
@hyperion447 Жыл бұрын
because the saviours are mostly just thugs whose jobs were only too intimidate people theyve probably never had to actually fight before and this is probably the first time anyones managed to match the saviours forces
@zolod.uchiha5102 Жыл бұрын
@hyperion447 Nah I would definitely say the Saviors are a bit more nuanced than that. Outside of Simon who was truly the only thug like the rest either happened to be really good at what they do or got on Negan’s good side. Dwight went from some random dude in The Sanctuary who got his wife taken away, half his face burnt, and then being in the same position as Daryl to being Negan’s 2nd after Simon passing Regina and Gavin. All in all they likely a really good at doing what they do, getting results and following Negan’s Moto. “The Rules is what keeps us alive” Simon was truly the only thug like one who was essentially a toned down Trevor from GTA in the apocalypse. And it’s implied Negan new this side of him but kept him because he followed and respected Negan’s “Rules” philosophy. Personally have a head cannon that he was full on Trevor in The Sanctuary before Negan came. This is even why Rick wanted the deal in the first place knowing that it ended and started with Negan. Simon probably only retaliated because he wanted power and he was probably piste at this point (understandable so) with how many times this group has killed their men for them to essentially get a tap on the hand (killing one person) We have to remember that they killed all his men in the Outpost like twice and had when seen it from their perspective this would make anyone upset. Funny how from a Savior standpoint Simon’s plan to kill everyone in Alexandria which would then force the other two groups to comply since Rick was the head was a “bad idea” when ironically this was originally Comic Negan’s plan at one point.
@hyperion447 Жыл бұрын
@@zolod.uchiha5102 i havent finished season 8 so i might not know everything but what i thought was that the saviour's common soldiers were mostly just people who were probably not anywhere near experienced as ricks people or other survivors because they just stole resources from people through intimidation with their overwhelming numbers and generally never had to struggle to fight for their survival and most are also probably not very loyal to the saviours as the comment above said when the time to fight the people theyve been threatening to fight with came they didnt try much at all to defend their place and weve seen that most of them surrendered pretty quickly as soon as they realised the odds were against them
@goatsmiserable555 Жыл бұрын
“You keep the windows intact, then you keep society intact” - Rick Grimes
@joeyb388911 ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂
@NoahClevinger5 жыл бұрын
Seeing this scene adapted from the comics, I loved it.
@slimshady57576 жыл бұрын
4:54 that face 😂
@HomemadeCollectibles4 жыл бұрын
That’s the Rick grimes I know and love coming back from that depressing season 7 episode 1
@L.m.CeeTee11 ай бұрын
Everyone has a automatic weapon except 1980s detective Maggie. Who the fuck wrote her to have that stupid weapon in a war?!
@bornsniper95316 жыл бұрын
You kill those windows
@nickfoytik11942 жыл бұрын
I loved how rick and his people attacked Negan and The Sanctuary.
@ojcdecato31634 жыл бұрын
He could’ve rushed negan so easily
@SupportTheLittleGuy2 жыл бұрын
But that would prevented an entire 16 episode season 😂 can’t have that
@Shpongful2 жыл бұрын
2 things you need to learn. 1. call of duty bollocks do not work in "real life" as you might expect. 2. Negan is clearly wearing a plot armour.
@shaheer4492 Жыл бұрын
@@Shpongful does this video look like real life to you, you fucking dumbass?
@ligma2124 ай бұрын
"he could have rushed negan so easily" Bro this is real life not cod. That would have been so risky 😂
@mrj40823 ай бұрын
And then what? Exterminate everyone living in the Sancuary?
@alexanderthorsen9422 Жыл бұрын
negan was 100% scared af in this scene
@phdfloppa71782 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite Rick moments
@TheSuitness4 жыл бұрын
It's not about you right? *nods *pops a few more caps *takes picture of carnage before leaving.
@verszzi3 жыл бұрын
0:26 I bet rick was like fuck this
@tragic_light2 жыл бұрын
Supposedly he actually said “Fuck it” in every take except this one but due to them mixing the episode before the take was approved, they didn’t include it.
@logger222 жыл бұрын
I think he was catching Negan off guard.
@robertcaserta49392 жыл бұрын
Negans smile is probably what did it💀
@typeters4393 Жыл бұрын
Rick really said “fuck it” and started blasting
@SiegeOnConsole2 жыл бұрын
Ammo count Production team: we don’t do that here
@LoreFinder9211 ай бұрын
I mean imagine how much it would suck if someone showed up to your house and broke allll your windows. It gets cold you have to clean the glass you can just can’t look out them anymore.
@trey71556 жыл бұрын
Walker @ 3:44 We all know why he turned! He could not keep his pants up while running from walkers! xD
@Lone-Sigma-Wolf3 жыл бұрын
This comments sense of humor is underrated xD
@J5ive_VnStoo2 жыл бұрын
He is gangsta
@eusou5263 жыл бұрын
For me the best thing in TWD is the war between survivors!
@TheChosennn Жыл бұрын
This and Rosita are the perfect examples of plot armor
@diddydiscipIe Жыл бұрын
why Rosita
@TheChosennn Жыл бұрын
@@diddydiscipIe when she tried to shoot Negan after he stabbed Spencer
@diddydiscipIe Жыл бұрын
@@TheChosennn o
@WarGrowlmon18 Жыл бұрын
Well, she lost her plot armor then because she's dead.
@teopazdrijan1008 Жыл бұрын
@@WarGrowlmon18Yeah, soooo sooo late hhahahaha
@Chris_M_Romero2 жыл бұрын
Two things about this clip: 1.- Rick, you're supposed to get to one before doing whatever you're doing after the countdown. 2.- Negan always was a fucking coward. One second he's smiling and being a cocky bastard, and next, he's running for life with an "oh, shit!" Face.
@connorlogan5853 Жыл бұрын
Your so right, every time I saw Rick trying to fight negan, negan is always running from him.
@mrj4082 Жыл бұрын
@@connorlogan5853because rick had a fucking gun. Whenever they were actually close negan kicked ricks ass
@dustinborchert5103 Жыл бұрын
At least negan wasn’t crying like a bitch like Rick was
@LeadAntagonist Жыл бұрын
Should he have smiled, stood tall and got shot? LMAO wtf are you talking about??? No one is a coward for ducking bullets numbnuts.
@hyperion447 Жыл бұрын
negan was cocky because he knew he had plot armour
@RIPbennyharvey2 жыл бұрын
Whoever choreographed this scene, Jesus, couldn’t at least tell the actors to pretend there’s recoil?
@calmcfarlane Жыл бұрын
You’ll notice throughout the show that recoil is almost non-existent, it’s so strange
@Unclejack328 Жыл бұрын
Poorly directed scene.
@arnavnigam92593 жыл бұрын
The way he says ok second time
@PsYChOtlC_ShArK2 жыл бұрын
in this scene you can hear the governor's theme coming from ricks side of the arguement
@qv14 Жыл бұрын
Bro came there to shoot windows☠️💀
@Esteban_b1 Жыл бұрын
0:30 Negan Running and not getting shot ONCE is pretty damn impressive. Idk if he’s just so fast or it’s just his plot armor.
@RandyDungcaRJ9 ай бұрын
Definitely the PLOT ARMOR.
@jessebarnes438910 ай бұрын
I loved how Rick pissed Negan off by shooting at the windows
@Peelioka Жыл бұрын
3:20 nice little detail I'd never noticed before. The dual mag
@anunknownperson40187 жыл бұрын
Damn sum how ppl ending up in same fandoms btw good ep.
@jrc29765 жыл бұрын
4:14 when you get thirsted by that one player in fortnite and apex
@sianol22434 ай бұрын
“You gonna make me count? Ok, I’m counting” SWEET VENGEANCE CHILLS Negan One season earlier said the same line to rick cut carl’s arm
@devonjordan15179 ай бұрын
I am a massive fan of this show and comic and I can confidently say this is the least Rick Grimes thing to do. Never would my man waste that much ammo and miss, even in a blind rage he doesn't do that shit. This season was loaded with massive amounts of plot armor
@hulkcrusher692 жыл бұрын
Listen to all the Negan stans lol. I love his character too but there is literally not a single thing you can say to me that is going to convince me that Negan shouldn't be dead AF rn. His plot armor came in clutch. And I dont want to hear oh but the comic canonically blah blah Carl fuckin died in the show bruh. In the comics the story is told to us by Carl so I dont wanna hear shit about it. Negan should be dead and it only should've taken like 20 shots max. Rick should've done the counting but let Daryl do the shooting. Mans on a motorcycle with a six shot and hit every damn target accurately.
@Nicolos117 Жыл бұрын
Every character has had plot armor. Chill
@hulkcrusher69 Жыл бұрын
@@Nicolos117 Nah man there was a unusual amount of survival for a dude just wandering around with a bat. Too many times where he should've died and simply didn't due to plot. It's not believable.
@marlojoseph49545 жыл бұрын
Rip windows 💔
@amineiajouri4 жыл бұрын
LMAO
@moveslikehoka90712 жыл бұрын
Rick could've just shot negan easily he wasn't moving. He could've shot him straight between the eyes.
@mohamedyooshau83962 жыл бұрын
yeah.. with a submachine gun at a decently far distance
@human_person549 Жыл бұрын
Negan was behind cover with only a small gap to hit him. Rick had a smg and negan was a fair distance away.
@trips347 Жыл бұрын
@@mohamedyooshau8396 Rick can headshot walkers 10 times in a row. But couldn’t hit Negan while he wasn’t moving.
@jag007 Жыл бұрын
@@trips347 This is the power of plot armor
@RR-lv3tp Жыл бұрын
It's called a TV show, stupid smh
@firstsonofthesea79383 ай бұрын
When Rick starts bussin that chopper you are dead
@uziuno6 ай бұрын
I love the way Rick slaps the gun and starts spraying lol
@isabelle-tf1gf2 жыл бұрын
AAAA ONE OF THE BEST EPISODES!!
@jonnocotton48 Жыл бұрын
Those walkers are catching up pretty fast...
@vinukaushik29may5 жыл бұрын
Negan -fuck here we go again!
@Daniel-nb3kk3 ай бұрын
"F*uck those windows in particular!"
@marshalmarshall2109 Жыл бұрын
"what's 5x2?" me flexing my math skills: 0:20
@josephrooney289 ай бұрын
😂
@Dart_Militia2 жыл бұрын
It looks silly but shooting out their windows means that insects and heat will come in and make life hard for the sanctuary. Not to mention that glass is SHARP and very hard to clean, so that will be a process in itself
@Gamehaccer52 жыл бұрын
Hahahah you can’t be serious
@mannycervantes1106 Жыл бұрын
@@Gamehaccer5😂 I know it’s dumb but bro it’s just a show lmao. Rick was just trying to show the saviors are not so big and bad as they seemed. I still find this so badass
@jantheking7028 Жыл бұрын
I always thought the answer was obvious: They shot the window in case negan had men standing behind it ready to shoot rick's people. This was a smart move as it prevent Negan's men from camping in the windows.
@hyperion447 Жыл бұрын
they were also creating lots of noise to attract the walkers
@Dart_Militia Жыл бұрын
@@hyperion447 That too
@babalarassrah Жыл бұрын
the camera angles are hilarious
@MobCrusher2 жыл бұрын
When it comes to Negan, the characters always seem to get really stupid. He was right in front of them, and neither Rick nor the others take opportunity to kill him.
@teopazdrijan1008 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I still don't understand this episode at all after a couple years of watching this. 💀 So Ricks plan was to shoot out their windows sooo... What?like the walkers are gonna get in there or sth? Just destroying it so The Sanctuary becomes unhabitable? Even if that was Ricks plan I highly doubt not one of them Ar-wielding dudes wouldn't have tried killing Negan..
@MarioZimms5 жыл бұрын
So many bullets wasted killing some windows
@anthonyfaller16225 жыл бұрын
Lol I would not want you as a adviser for war
@WaveForceful2 жыл бұрын
Your telling me you think that negan didnt have snipers in those windows...
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
@@WaveForceful that but theres more to it tho
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
Don't ever go to war let alone the front lines. Smh
@trips347 Жыл бұрын
Well they were too blind to shoot Negan, so they thoughr why not just shoot something :/
@thomasward88056 ай бұрын
Only in movies and TV the story has unfolded over a period of years in their time I just want to know one thing where exactly are they getting all this gas to power vehicles because gas doesn't have a long shelf life????😅😅😅😅😅😂
@xaoc60846 жыл бұрын
Was that Dales RV cause damn has that allowed Ricks group some good times.
@vivekshetty2986 жыл бұрын
xaoc nope his RV was burnt in Herschel's farm
@Spotty2Wily6 жыл бұрын
xaoc fraid not. Dale's RV was burned up alongside the barn that collapsed near it. I agree that those were some good times, especially when Glenn was using the knowledge on fixing the RV given to him by Dale honoring his memory alongside Andrea.
@xaoc60846 жыл бұрын
Vivek Shetty Aww that makes me sad haha
@TheeActiv8dStylez3 жыл бұрын
microsoft windows presents.... the next scenes from the walking dead
@anglermatt2 жыл бұрын
Walkers can't keep up with a jogging human but can keep up with Daryl riding 30mph on a motorcycle, this is why the show got so much hate, very little attention to detail went into this show
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
I think ur the one who doesn't pay attention to detail
@human_person549 Жыл бұрын
Did you not see the strategically placed explosives daryl was shooting?
@anglermatt Жыл бұрын
@@human_person549 how does the explosives explain the walkers keeping up with a motorcycle but yet they can't catch a jogging human being? Come on. At least try to read before you argue
@human_person549 Жыл бұрын
@@anglermatt its common sense really atleast try to understand the show before you comment man.
@evilchamps75145 жыл бұрын
Even if Rick is blind how did they all survive
@WarGrowlmon18 Жыл бұрын
Well, it's destroyed now. Ironically, Dwight and walkers were involved in that.
@michawyszynski63725 жыл бұрын
Didn't Negan run into the sanctuary along with Simon and Gavin when Rick started shooting? So then how is he laying wounded outside after the RV blows up? Makes no sense...
@michawyszynski63725 жыл бұрын
@Cinematic Curtain You're right, I missed the part of him ducking. The sequence played out so quickly at first it looked like Negan ran inside with the others.
@JayDillDrums4 жыл бұрын
Watch it again bro. Lol
@Dragonrijder30003 жыл бұрын
He didn't, he ran down stairs as you can see here 0:30 And the rest went inside
@obungapyramid55252 жыл бұрын
@Valkkan still stupid considering he has an open entrance right behind him
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
@@obungapyramid5525 it's called predictable movement. Had negan run through the doorway there would've been traffic n he n his lieutenants would've been gunned down easily. Other words rick was counting on negan to go through the door again but negan knew better. Draw the attention somewhere else n let almost all of the lieutenants get to safety
@Courier3556 ай бұрын
Why was 6 afraid of 9. 0:21
@TheBob19012 жыл бұрын
Ammunition is scarce, and yet they waste it all on shooting in windows and not shooting at Negan. Ridiculous!
@robertsanford6786 Жыл бұрын
Wouldn't BB guns have broken the glass just as well and save all that precious ammunition?
@cya5983 Жыл бұрын
Why was six afraid of nine? 0:20
@Blackstandard76 жыл бұрын
Weaponizing walkers looks like alot of fuckin fun i wud utilize them all the time
@gracea96303 жыл бұрын
word
@suzannemcguinness80305 ай бұрын
Hawt diggirity dawg lol
@azloii9781 Жыл бұрын
This is the moment naaaine ate seven
@somethingdifferent530 Жыл бұрын
Can hit a zombie in the head from 500 feet away but can’t body shot a person 30 feet away
@azzurri123 Жыл бұрын
its called plot armour
@carlcounts1 Жыл бұрын
where is all the gas coming from?? I live in Miami and we run out of gas in one day when a hurricane is coming
@brendancolon29552 жыл бұрын
Also they wanna see people not behind that dirty glass
@matthewisnardi6390 Жыл бұрын
Jesus christ that's a waste of ammo 😂😂😂🤣🤣💀💀
@boa9557 Жыл бұрын
That’s the point
@kayfrost5345 Жыл бұрын
You know how i feel bout it.❤ it❤
@thecampbellshow5813 Жыл бұрын
I need that unlimited ammo hack for the price of ammo right now!
@TheFreakyRobber3 жыл бұрын
Casuals don't understand the purpose of shooting the windows 🤣
@shahrilamri12863 жыл бұрын
Nah they have sniper that ready to kill them that why. For that they need to clear the widow
@him4real2622 жыл бұрын
@@shahrilamri1286 to suppress them? If they rush in and the windows are open then your fucked
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
@@shahrilamri1286 more to it than just that
@Brazen_Lizard Жыл бұрын
Rick Grimes: Why is 10 afraid of 9? Negan: Why? Rick: 0:21
@Nicolos117 Жыл бұрын
💀
@et2525 Жыл бұрын
The Walking Dead 8x01 - Rick Attacks Negan and The Sanctuary
@charlie-mm6re3 жыл бұрын
No sean tan ingenuos jajaja, esa fue una estrategia para ganar tiempo y dejar que los caminantes llegaran a invadir el santuario
@86TheMedia Жыл бұрын
Soon as Rick left, so did i. Show went downhill. But now, he will be back. And i have a spoiler, i am sorry for this. But rick is now missing his one hand. A blade is in its place. Just like the comics except the governor take his hand in that. Here i dont know how it happens. I have a good source for the show
@WarGrowlmon18 Жыл бұрын
In one part of the trailer it looks like he might be cutting his hand off.
@xMORNINGSTARMUSICx3 ай бұрын
I know man! When I saw it happen I was like yoooo 😮
@DRENCHGANG262 жыл бұрын
0:26 0:55 2:41 3:54 4:07 4:08
@asregdor33862 ай бұрын
I get that they have to work the story , but it blows my mind that they didn't put a bullet in Negan out right off the bat .
@metasin6Ай бұрын
Have to drag the story out of course. It’s always done in a bad way when the writers have to save a character in dangerous moments. Especially bad here since the specific weapon rick is using is known for being one of the easiest automatic combat weapons to control and aim with. However, there is Rick’s infamous method of holding his revolver so maybe he’s canonically not a great marksman😂
@Javakotka1Ай бұрын
@@metasin6 Also the entire group of armed people he's with. He's basically got the bad guys lined up with his own firing squad.
@登峰造極-e2b3 жыл бұрын
I wish Rick would tie Negan up and cut his meat out piece by piece and feed it to him.
@Nicolos117 Жыл бұрын
Negan is good
@johnkisaragi59205 ай бұрын
Tainted meat
@swolecoconut16710 ай бұрын
How did you misss?
@donmcc6573 Жыл бұрын
Another Walking Dead failure to kill the bad guy when you have the chance.
@Unclejack328 Жыл бұрын
Did Maggie even reload? 😂😂
@aintskurred9182 жыл бұрын
I hate how the show sets up this scene as if Rick couldn't just kill Negan here with little to no resistance. If it's not going to happen (obviously) why even set this scenario? Then they just proceed to waste hundreds of rounds shooting glass and give Negan *ANOTHER* hostage. If you thought it got dumb there, wait til you notice they never reload. Such a face palm scene. Dont even get me started on the walkers somehow keeping close behind Daryl on his bike. Honestly most of this show past season 5 is just garbage. I wanted to like this show but the writers and producers just think that their audience are morons.
@akumanoo34653 жыл бұрын
Tssss cocky rick😏 luv to see it
@bawinSTI2 ай бұрын
I just finished twd😕
@Roger-il8iw Жыл бұрын
Maggie absolutely zero recoil with that revolver 😂 the show was so bad at this point
@josephrooney28 Жыл бұрын
Throughout the show, even from the early seasons, there was barely any recoil from any of the guns lmao. It's always been a problem, though it didn't take away how badass the earlier seasons were
@Roger-il8iw Жыл бұрын
@@josephrooney28 the whole war arc especially, it’s like they had no weapons and tactics advisors. The scene at Alexandria where the kingdom saves them was like a high school play. Then you got ricks Oscar level performance and it doesn’t fit the quality of the show at all 😂
@NellLoo Жыл бұрын
I’m counting
@LtLXIX2 жыл бұрын
All those years and still couldnt hit a shot
@Nima-hw9xx2 жыл бұрын
Who’s watching this in 2023 😂
@Sym_BionicVibin497 Жыл бұрын
Revenge
@saintkue46822 жыл бұрын
Waste of bullets
@god_of_war6983 жыл бұрын
👑❤
@dee4993 Жыл бұрын
Why he do this
@boa9557 Жыл бұрын
Revenge and to scare him
@SirrCommander2 жыл бұрын
Ok but what a waste of ammo just shooting out all the windows lol 😂
@angelcadena80522 жыл бұрын
No it wasn't. Ur statement alone shows ur lack of knowledge
@SirrCommander2 жыл бұрын
@@angelcadena8052 and ur statement alone shows ur a twat.
@brandanmort15102 жыл бұрын
Imagine your house with no windows there all busted out how hard your life would be in that house
@SirrCommander2 жыл бұрын
@@brandanmort1510 fair enough . Still think it was wasteful . Rocks would’ve done the trick
@Im_Negan_2 жыл бұрын
Dude how they go throw rocks at the windows .ALL OF THEM.
@oliverstrucker58295 жыл бұрын
Lol
@obungapyramid55252 жыл бұрын
Rick throwing that threat back to Negan was so cringe 😂😂
@anderkaurv51822 жыл бұрын
Nah
@jacket61392 жыл бұрын
Wasn't cringe at all
@hunterfishman7119 Жыл бұрын
RICH SHOULDA KEPT HIS SIGHTS ON THAT DOORWAY!!! HE WOULDA HIT FAR MORE THAN HIS SPRAY & PRAY BS!!!
@jacketofthe80s132 жыл бұрын
I seriously do not get how the characters in this show arn't thinner than they are. again no groccie stores and hunting with the fact of deforestation we had to do to advance is nuts to me