The Walking Dead - Why Did the Military Fail? Q&A Revisit

[@brianachim2670]

The Military failed because Fear needed better writing.

[@kimw8056]

Brian Achim I'd rather have season one writing compared to what we have now. Besides, the military failed in TWD too, they just didn't show it.

[@HazmatUnit]

Also the fact of the dead coming back to life, meaning they could have almost indefinite seasons

[@jacobmullins3644]

I know why the military failed nobody played any zombie type horror survival games

[@carsonmcintosh5636]

Jacob Mullins have you never seen an actual barracks? Have you seen how many service members nowadays each have an Xbox and all play call of duty

[@crackrockconsumer7568]

New series: TWD, Exept it’s REALISTIC

[@svtz0646]

I'm a police officer and I worked hurricane Florence and I was in charge of a bridge. I was told to shut down the bridge by upper command and a lot of civilians were not able to cross the bridge to get home to their loved ones. Most will beg to met let them cross but I was not able to. Only the Military and law enforcement were able to go through the bridge that was the orders. But some civilians will go through the bridge that was about to collapse not caring. We also had danger signs of power lines on the road and civilians would drive on the road ignoring our signs. We were out numbered as law enforcement. Also we had minimum water and food supplies. One squad got stuck and were forgotten. In my opinion when you are low in supplies and are forgotten some officers will probably leave their post. Civilians don't care about how the Government do their plans they do what ever they want. If the Government has a plan most of civilians will not follow it making caos for us and the military. That's where we might fail.

[@christinemeek4672]

SVT Z06 I know what you mean we were here after Katrina and when your city and area is shut down and under martial law it’s pretty chaotic... people do insane things. Appreciate your service, SVT Z06! 🚔

[@TWDExplained]

All good points. In scenarios where SHTF - watch out for humans!!!

[@robmiah4501]

You are right some time during major conflict military out post left to defend the self if comucation are down places are over run until help arrives in walking dead universal many base may have already been taken over if situation gets out hand many troops may go A. W. O. L worried welfare of their families

[@HaXaW5150]

We are our own worst enemy.

[@thegeneral19]

Here piggy piggy, can I have some bacon?

[@Keti9er]

*Zombie hordes exist* A-10 Pilots laugh in: *BRRRRRRTT*

[@mixmaster2909]

That’s one expensive laugh for a problem that can be solved by any AK or intermediate cartridge firearm

[@Miscelanou]

But brrrrrrrrrt is funner to say

[@501ststormtrooper9]

Napalm: *Laughs in sticking to kids*

[@banned-account]

@@Miscelanou Especially with your *other* cheeks

[@1990leesayles]

Air strikes would be very effective in containing an outbreak especially for the US as they have the aircraft numbers to do it and a very diverse ground attack fleet

[@rickylafleur2112]

"mission failed, we'll get em next time" -SAS Announcer

[@rickylafleur2112]

I DiD nOt KnOw ThAt...

[@ThatTurboProbe]

@Edward Richtofen 1st Do you not get the joke or what?

[@Connor-jc7kr]

Trevor, smokes lets go!

[@ThatTurboProbe]

@Edward Richtofen 1st It's from MW2 when you fail a spec ops mission or from MW1 when you lose a multiplayer match.

[@angogoblogian4390]

Ricky LaFleur did you eat my pepperoni Rick?

[@CBRN-115]

The soldiers were shooting the fence and missed 85% of the shots fired at the walkers No wonder they failed

[@gargamel679]

some of them were also above the zombies , shooting down AND STILL MISSED, they could have atleast throw some grenades and turn alot of them into pink mist but apparently M67s dont exist in this world

[@leestewart72]

Imagine fighting an enemy that doesn't use tactics, doesn't use cover, moves slowly, doesn't use ranged weapons, is attracted to noise, can't climb, and must get to arms length to harm you. Now imagine, you are a U.S. soldier. Get on the roof of a building next to a wide road, use an air horn, and start one shoting them as they approach. Have a couple of thousand soldiers spread out over a city and do the same.

[@kallcell83]

Only 1.3 million troops total in the US armed forces, vs a Nationwide outbreak numbering in the tens of millions, or hundred million. Just not enough to go around even with that tactic, and the ranks of the undead are constantly growing.

[@mixinthebisquic1238]

Not much can be done to an enemy that infiltrates anywhere and everywhere it could not be controlled because everyone was infected one idiot commits suicide an elderly parishes some one chokes and dies etc their *safe zone* is not all that safe now is it?

[@ramiroalfonso8208]

Kal Galath in times of war recruitment and armed forces increase drastically, just like in ww2 with 20-40 million us soldiers (I forgot exact number)

[@leestewart72]

@@kallcell83 There are over 80 million armed civilians in the U.S. with tens of trillions of rounds of ammunition. Zombies would not stand a chance.

[@kallcell83]

@@ramiroalfonso8208 true, but new recruits or draftees take time to train so they can be effective. And much like bringing out the big guns, they would likely wait too long.

[@HeatherHolt]

Military vs The Walking Dead zombies = probable victory Military vs 28 Days Later zombies = probable failure

[@TWDExplained]

Yeah, that would suck trying to survive that 28 Days Later shizzzz

[@jacob41057]

28 days Later zombies starve to death after a whole though. TWD zombies don't.

[@HeatherHolt]

jake 117 I guess you haven’t seen 28 weeks later then? 😏

[@jacob41057]

@@HeatherHolt Yes, i have. And in that movie they talk about the zombies starving. The only reason the city falls is cause the Dad's wife is a carrier of the virus & didn't turn into a zombie as a result. She infected him when he kissed her.

[@HeatherHolt]

jake 117 and at the end of that movie even tho it’s another 28 days later the infected are seen spreading all over everywhere. So while one infected may only “live” 28 days, it’s 28 days post infection date. Not 28 days for every infected regardless of infection date.

[@mr_h1tmarker396]

Zombie: exists AC-130: So you have chosen death

[@hazmatgamer]

Welcome to Zombie Gunship

[@Rick-so9bx]

More like A-10’s and predator drones

[@Mr_Sebitor]

@@hazmatgamer good game

[@thepeskyone]

Actually in the TWD: AC-130: exists Zombies: So you have chosen death

[@airforce1393]

Realistically the military wouldn’t fail. Believe it or not there is actually a plan for if this were to really happen. Someone’s job is to come up with any possible way the government could be threatened and how to deal with it. Anyway, with all the military forces in the world and their resources, it wouldn’t be too difficult to deal with.

[@chlaco8739]

In twd there is no knowledge of what zombies are or how to kill them at the start, so the military would have to learn with the rest of the civilians

[@johnwayne2898]

The plan the military has was created as a literal joke by the government.

[@chlaco8739]

Matthew Grimley no, I’m pretty sure that the government doesn’t usually joke. I’m very sure that it’s completely serious

[@johnwayne2898]

@@chlaco8739 I understand where you are coming from, but with the types of zombies they have listed in the plan, one of the few is "Zombie Chickens". I am telling you that it was made as a joke in 2011.

[@chlaco8739]

Matthew Grimley oh ok, thanks for proving me wrong. I’ll read over it again

[@namkhanhng1802]

A zombie apocalypse like the Walking Dead should be preventable by the military Other zombie apocalypse regarding running zombie, i think, would be more understandable if the military fail.

[@Garcia1995]

Even them would be easy to defeat, just prove more difficult. Probably the mosquitos would be more dangerous.

[@rollog1248]

Not necessarily, tactics such as overrunning aren't viable. A zombie wall like in WWZ could be destroyed with several predator missiles.

[@icycold7732]

Nam Khanh Ng it’s the rate of spread and how quick people turn.

[@TheGamer-cy9ln]

The military knew to shoot the infected in the head because when Shane was at the hospital you saw a soldier pull his pistol and go around shooting the people they already shot in the head. So they knew to shoot the head and they also could have known that when you die you come back.

[@LscVip]

We all know it would be impossible for the Military to fail on something like this.

[@coraldiamond1922]

QCM not really. The walking dead type zombies do have an issue in the sense that when anyone dies they turn. Even without getting bitten.

[@Ghosthost-dk9kj]

The way the military fires on its target is that they shoot twice in the chest and once in the head of the thing doesn’t go down. Along with the fact they can adapt.

[@yummychips_]

@@coraldiamond1922 doesn't change the fact that the military would still not fail. Even with that fact. It would be learned so fast. Hell focus groups ran by the government probably would have assumed it was possible, tested or found evidence. There should have been no reason any TWD outbreak overcome the government in any type of scenario. Unless this virus just magically wiped out half the population or at least 1/3rd, all randomly picked. If not, then there shouldn't be pocket of survivor groups and communities. There should be huge 10k+ communities, and 100s+ groups.

[@rayhewitt7480]

Failed at less threatening diseases in real life.... just saying

[@karolissavickis10]

@@yummychips_ sadly but TWD zombies would easly break any army. Biggest strenght of TWD virus that it can spread invisible to anyone for long long time until someone dies but even then goverment will take some time to figure out what this virus is. By that time huge part of population would be infected and there will many active walkers already. It would cause massiv panick roits. Zombie attacks and civil unrest would cause huge demage to infrastructure and industry meaning no more new rounds and other supplys. So army will have to deal with massive riots and zombie attacks with no preparation training and very very limited supplys. Keeping in mind that many soldiers would want to go home to protect their family i would say millitary would last for few weeks. Big survivor groups because of no longer existing food production.

[@Jarod-vg9wq]

They didn’t rick is still in a coma.

[@RatDoggg]

The biggest let down of FTWD was the lack of showing Los Angeles get overrun by the walkers :/ it was shown in 1 night and most of it was just the family in a barbershop I was hoping for so much chaos and carnage and another HUGE LET DOWN was not being able to see the Military Squad who was stuck in the library get overrun I was really hoping to see that

[@charlesreese9085]

So many things... First, too much America and not enough grunts. There's too much ground to secure. 2nd, not all soldiers are shooters. Most are support troops, mechanics, medics cooks and pencil pushers. They might kick ass in thier specialty, but, they don't get a lot of range time. 3rd, logistics, the Army travels on it's stomach. Cut off the beans,bullets and band-aids, things go down hill fast.

[@TWDExplained]

Beans, Bullets and Band-Aids - sounds like a song title

[@charlesreese9085]

@@TWDExplained Oh yeah, I'm thinking a collaboration between a "southern fried" rock band and an up and coming "dirty south" rapper. Great channel

[@Hallreaver]

One thing that really annoys me is the people who try to "talk" to the zombies, they can clearly see they are DEAD and still, "Are you okay, i don't want to kill you" -.- sigh, the person is already dead.

[@zebimicio5204]

That's humans in general though. I've already seen people trying to see their dead grandmas because of denial.

[@musali610]

Rick wakes up on the 59th day of the apocolypse, as we know the walkers were way faster in season one, and the first episode takes place on the 59th day, meaning the zombies were even faster then in season 1, they could climb fences and run, i think the military didnt know that you had to shoot them in the head to kill them, i know its also for plot. In the atlanta scenes you couldnt see any army zombie whatsoever, which means they probably deserted atlanta and went to their families. The tanks being on the streets was stupid and also not, the tanks couldve ran out of fuel or the driver of the tank couldve left it.

[@danoarmstrong2597]

You also should look at the numbers. In WWII, 18% of our population was in the military. During the Cold War (Korea/Vietnam/Desert Storm), 7% to 8% of the population was in uniform. After the end of the Cold War, in the early 90's, we started a massive draw down, from 8% of the population in uniform, down 0.42% in uniform, even with our current wars. At the same time, we increased the number of places we are deployed. Yes we left some places (Philippines, Panama), but our forces are no where near the size they use to be. We did increase combat capability and lethality, meaning we don't need the same size force we did in the past, but, in a world wide (or even just a nation wide) "zombie battle", you need large numbers of trigger pullers almost more then you need highly skilled trigger pullers.

[@TuneyDarko]

Zombie Virus: I’m the most dangerous virus here and can destroy the world CoronaVirus: Hold my Corona Extra

[@darthbradmedia8929]

fuckface unstoppable YET!!!

[@intruderproductions1965]

They failed because they wore ACU’s

[@jamielockard5905]

Zombie jihad

[@ipayman5217]

Nice one! You actually made me laugh

[@davidoftheforest]

CPU is the pattern, ACU is the clothing

[@ipayman5217]

@@davidoftheforest pretty sure the army uses UCP not CPU.

[@davidoftheforest]

@@ipayman5217 lmao CPU my bad, Universal Camouflage Pattern

[@JamesLaserpimpWalsh]

America has about 200,000 deployed personel. It has a population of about 340,000,000. That's over a thousand to one they would have been outnumbered by things that only die if you manage to shoot their heads off. As Dr Logan once said "They have you in a hopeless situation strategically."

[@thebeagles2025]

As much as I love the military, I think they could very well fail... Although I doubt they'd all go down the way they appear to in both Walking Dead series'. Think about it... In the first days or weeks of the apocalypse, people would be in some sort of denial. Not everyone... but a lot of people. On an army base, people die. hit by a car. Fatal training injury, whatever.... and you stay with your buddy. You get him/her into an ambulance or on a chopper and the next thing you know, Buddy comes back and suddenly the chopper goes down. And what happens? Emergency services react to it. It could cascade. On a ship.... we just saw how COVID took down an aircraft carrier. All it took was one person on board and suddenly, the most unstoppable machine in the world is stopped dead in its tracks. WITH THAT SAID.... I find it preposterous to believe that SEALs, Green Berets etc. could not get teams away from the destruction and start building resistance forces, just like during WW2. I've said it from the start of TWD and FTWD.... I really want to see a series or a movie that tells us how we lost the military. That would make for an interesting show.

[@bundy241241]

another thing alot of people forget about because of how comfortable our lives have become, predators pack of wild dogs are gonna tear zombies apart. crows are gonna tear zombies apart. The rotting flesh on a corpse the brittle bones, without a brain humans aint shit

[@vDARKICEv]

Because the genre of zombies don’t exist in this universe meaning they wouldn’t instinctively have the “aim for the head!” mentality. Also if you don’t recall in The Walking Dead the CDC scientist whispered into Ricks ear saying “We’re all infected.” Meaning you die you turn unless your brain is damaged prior to death, if you get bit it just speeds up the process. Theoretically if this “Everyone is already infected, headshots only” information got around sooner they mainly would have been able to form a different plan of action to fight off the zombies and try to prevent more.

[@stopmotiondaryl1767]

A lot of people cite the claim that since walkers are so slow, the military couldn't possibly fail, but not too many people remember how different fresh walkers were in season 1. Even the show seems to have forgotten. Back in Atlanta, you had walkers using primitive tools, fast jogging, and even scaling fences. While the fresh walkers in season 1 weren't anything like WWZ infected, they were still a lot deadlier than the decayed walkers we see now. I can easily see the faster and more ferocious walkers from the first season beating the military, along with the breakdown of command and such.

[@highflyingsports6635]

StopmotionDaryl still I don’t see the walkers being able to defeat the military especially the walkers because we only seen a few of the walkers able to do not the majority I honestly think the military will able to beat the military even if the walkers were able to do that and only a few can do it not the majority Now it won’t be a easy nothing is too easy but eventually they will stop it or at least slow it down now I can see the military falling when the zombies can run fast and run fast like 28 days later and days gone not the walking dead zombies where they just jog and eventually walk which will happened do to post Morten seriously if the military still exist in the last of us where the infected are much stronger 20 years later the military could beat the walkers but it won’t be easy as I say so it won’t be a cake walk but it wouldn’t go into a last of us or 28 days later type society especially when the zombies decayed which in a real life will happen people decay after death the zombies in the walking dead universe sitt existing is for plot not for realism by 10-20 years most if not all zombies will be gone do to decay or death by other means.

[@tommyevans5843]

The military would lose because most of them would go AWOL to go see/help their families.

[@Krazzy88]

As always, the people will panic. Most of the soldiers want to go home for their own families. The people kill each other for resources and turned to walkers. Maybe they didn't know headshot kills them in the beginning. First few weeks they think they can be saved like how Hershal thought. Still, there's probably a military out there.

[@bigheadman8590]

The military gets beaten but not some baseball player who lives in his moms basement and has no idea how to hold a gun

[@zebimicio5204]

That's the thing. He lvied in his mama's basement during the whole shit

[@97waddle97]

Headshots are great and all but a zombie still would fall from leg shots because if a bone was hit it would shatter causing it to be immobilised to the point of near harmless Nothing even without feeling will still stand without structure to hold them up

[@bossmoffelinc1884]

The only way I can see the military failing is if before the outbreak something else used up a large chunk of military resources. For example a war between two first world nations would make the military of both nations substantially weaker and might make it possible for zombies to overrun them especially if their numbers have been exponentially increased because of war related deaths.

[@christianmunoz6847]

Not to mention the 3 round method we are trained to use, two to the chest 1 to the head, after realizing They infected drop after headshots, that’s figured out and via radio. How ever the need to care for our own and the wildly ranging infection times. That woulda hurt us from with in at least at field hospitals and stuff.

[@Mr.Doodlebob]

I think that had the military decided to set up barricades a bit away from the hotzones (like a shipping yard/port) instead of setting up inside the hot zones using shipping containers as walls and stack them at least 2 high and 2 wide then they wouldn't have had much trouble holding zekes back they could have stood on top of said containers and just picked off the zekes 1 by 1 and slowly expand the walls but have cages around the entrances to areas that allow them to exit and enter the safe zones with a vehicle and use a shorter length shipping container as the door and can be easily moved out of the way by guards (with a truck crane) once people are proven to be non infected and just station guards around the docks to check for any zekes that managed to somehow get to any dry docks. you could have a base set up with minimal zeke interference and the navy could dock in the port which would allow a safe escape and additional security or allow the military to conduct operations farther out utilizing helicopters until there fuel runs out or the helicopters don't run anymore from maintenance problems.

[@MeiMei-kw2ic]

Wouldn’t have mattered the infection was already everywhere tbh and they would have probably stretched thin due to not enough available man power

[@MACTEP-il1eu]

Zombie apocalypse: happens Government: laughs in order 8888

[@dominickpiccirillo3714]

Zombie horde: exists Carpet bombs: exists

[@IiI_Gogeta_IiI]

I think the other reason the military could’ve potentially have failed in the twd universe is because there was no zombie media. George Romeros zombies where never a thing so they wouldnt have known about reanimating dead bodies. Where as in our world we know of them making us a little more prepared and giving the military/government an ace up their sleeve

[@hazardous458]

Solgaleo People could learn ya know. The military isn’t new to getting jumped.

[@armyboybrodie]

Because the zombies needed plot armor and not having the creativity to make the military fail. When they're storming the compound in Fear, and they're pressed against the fence and the soldiers are spraying, not a single zombie died lol.

[@lightfootjpauls]

Not to mention things like Clamore Mines, while not being effective against walkers when placed in the normal position, if placed at head height, that is a whole lot of dead (more dead?) Walkers.

[@iech0526]

I think the biggest threat with the walking dead is their numbers. Ignoring the fact of how the zombies infected so many people in the first place, a military base would only be overrun if there was a giant horde. But at the same time, the show doesn’t take into consideration explosives, such as grenades and C4 that ground based troops would have access to. Not to mention grenade launchers. In the end, even a zombie horde in the millions may not be able to beat the military, simply due to the explosive firepower the military has.

[@westtexas.2238]

The chapter Battle of Yonkers from World War Z made a lot of sense why it failed in that book

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

West Texas .223 no it didn’t. It was terrible. The zombies in that could be killed by a blow to the head yet were not harmed by the enormous concussive shock waves from high explosives? Look at all the brain injuries in the recent Iranian attack on the US base in Iraq. So a blow to the head drops a walker but not an explosive trauma to the head? Makes zero sense

[@spartan078ben]

@@Vaultboy-ke2jj In the book the virus turned the blood into a think brown gel. which probably provided protection from explosive shock. And the reason by the end of the book there were 20 million Z at the bottom of the ocean still walking around.

[@CrimsonSwallow116]

@@spartan078ben Problem is that if that brown gel protected them from explosive shock waves from 120 shell fire it would make them immune to bullets. It was just a way for the militaries to be unable to use heavy weapons. Might as well have been magic zombies.

[@Vaultboy-ke2jj]

Benjamin Griggs protection from explosive shock and shrapnel but not from a stick to the head?

[@tanknationoac2212]

@@spartan078ben how the hell they walking at the bottom of the ocean. the water pressure would crush them right!??

[@Kez_DXX]

Their failure is even harder of a concept for us to grasp because the zombie lore is so deeply embedded into our pop culture. It's ironic that for the zombs to even have a chance at success, the concept of their existence had to be completely removed from the setting.

[@LMSProductions2003]

I think the main downfall was that during the time where the outbreak started no one knew that the only way to kill them was to destroy the brain so most soldiers would get overwhelmed quickly since they’d just aim for the chest

[@williamraabe8239]

I think that the walkers don't shamble at the beginning. The most likely scenario would be in conjunction with the decay. Freshly dead should move faster and slow down over time. There is also the shock value of shooting and nothing happens and even more so would be your best friend in arms gets bitten, dies, and is now a member of the growing hoard. Now you have to kill your best friend. Humans have emotions, get tired, have to eat and poop. Zombies have no emotion other than hunger, don't sleep, and will not stop. Total war a zombie hoard can do, humans can't. One other problem would be is this would be a world wide pandemic. One other problem is people would have a hard time cooperating with each other. Hell, congress would deny the problem even when the hoard enters the building.

[@jazz_prodzz5761]

“They do not need food, they do not need water...” *They Need You*

[@Samrtfirdeg]

If only the soldiers knew covering themselves in Walker guts could make them invisible and we could have had a world war z type of ending

[@zerosatyr5500]

I see a lot of comments on how easily the military would crush the zombies. While I don’t doubt the military could take care of it, I don’t think it would be a simple cake walk. Yes we’re all aware of zombies so it’s different going in but some people will panic, seeing an actual zombie stumbling towards you is not something anyone wants to see. Pulling off continuous head shots on stumbling uncoordinated zombies at distance is no small feat, they’re going to have to be closer to us before our troops would start to effectively put them down.

[@kidbach]

Besides plot armor, the military failed because most of the units obviously didnt follow protocol of compartmentalizing, separate units being responsible for their assigned fields of fire. Its also easy to see that solid barriers on the periphery were not formed or properly setup. And the greatest misstep was not fighting from cover. One question that should be posed is, "if the military was overrun, why dont we see a lot more of Walkers in military uniforms, instead of all the civillian clothed Walkers?" Great discussion as was the first video.

[@TWDExplained]

all good points - maybe the military tasted better? haha - Just watching the news about the coronavirus - not a high threat level of contagiousness but spreading fast. Makes you think.... - what's harder to fight than walking dead people? Tiny microscopic things that spread easy..... Thank you for the views and comments!

[@kimw8056]

kidbach Oh, that's a good point. There was only a handful of people in uniform in both shows. Makes me think they abandoned their post when things got really bad.

[@johnvazakas970]

Great points, and early on there were dead wearing military uniforms as well as police uniforms. Now, maybe the fact that the story hasn't taken the groups to any military bases could explain why there are no dead in military uniforms. At some point early on, the military could've retreated to their bases to fortify and set up evac zones. We only hear from some survivors about one military base falling, but others could've possibly not been overrun.

[@petrsukenik9266]

0:58 do they shoot blank cartriges or something? from this close distace zombies would be teared up by bullets

[@josephmontanaro2350]

Back when I first read the original ,(book) world war z I had a relatively good idea on how to capitalize on their attraction to sound, scent and other stimuli, take existing hardened bomb casings (in particular the models designed for penitrateing hardened bunkers) and stripping the explosive filler and replacing it with hardened speaker, scent and possibly even light systems connected to a large battery (possibly with solar panels integrated into the designs) that you could drop out in open areas instead of using live people as "bait" to slow down hords you could even make a relatively quick to produce air mobile version out of a standard conex that could be deployed via drag chute or with larger transport helicopters, you would load up a platoon or infantry into helicopters to provide security, deploy an array of these solar powered stimuli makers between safe zones or even outside of built up areas they are prepping to clear to speed up an minimised risk in the process. I think at the time the book took place armed ground drones were in their infancy but I assume today we would ramp up production of those small remotely controlled drones armed with either an M240 or M249, the Russian Uran series (roughly between the size of a civilian car and a BMD infantry fighting vehicle) would honestly be the perfect tool for crowd control (large enough to crush zombies and durable enough to survive the bulk of running over endless swarms), these could even be modified to be more efficient by swapping some of their beefier armament (autocannons and ATGMs) with machineguns and large ammunition belt stowage boxes and additional fuel, their range could be increase by cutting back on their armor (I assume the normal ones would come out to play like the M2 IFVs that are returned to the front lines when dealing with hostile human holdouts). I feel that if the author rewrote the novel today it would have even crazier ideas and strategies on how to deal with the undead threat (affordable consumer drone tech would be great for intelligence gathering as well as the code used to build semi autonomous, lightly armed drones in large numbers as a way to augment human soldiers with the SIR rifles and their plastic, high visibility anti bite armor)

[@omaracevedo4784]

The only plausible reasons as to why the military would fail would be if: if the walkers were fast moving, had some problem solving abilities(opening doors or windows) the abandoning of post by personnel because they leave to take care of their own families

[@TrippyFsho]

It depends on how long it takes for the military to take care of it. The more zombies, the more ammo, the more firepower ur going to need, and afterwards how would u know that you've gotten them all? I think if it got that far that the military would fall, not everyone is that strong and they do look like human beings, some people are going to get scared and become weak links that may cause problems for the military's fall.

[@AgiDaKinG]

The only way the military would have been overrun is if they were caught off guard. Which would mean that the zombie virus would have to be low key enough for long enough that the number of zombies would just flood through cities before a response could be formed. You can't even get a little coronovirus these days without someone noticing and freaking out.

[@natheria4933]

The military is a complex. well oiled machine. Yet, the machine still relies on the greater whole being society to function. :V Logistics are the biggest bane of a modern military, and have been the heel of a professional army since roman empire times. When society starts breaking down, and cracking, resources will go from very abundant to very rare in very short amounts of time. The military will attempt to control these supplies, but people naturally react out of fear to get them first too. Thus now the military is fighting people and walkers. In addition to this, walker numerical superiority, and difficulty to kill causes a big problem too. While most riflemen can probably hit with relative accuracy, battle stress will begin to kick in as they realize they are being surrounded, and are hopelessly overwhelmed. The human mind can only take so much of that, and will begin to crack. Even our soldiers have a breaking point, and when you hit that problems start arising. Stress leads to worsening accuracy, and before you know it you will start missing more then you hit. Additionally, the ammo capacity, and weight cap of a soldier also creates problems. As they can easily run out of ammo half way into a fight with a swarm. Support like airstrikes, and artillery wont be very useful either. As if the damage isnt strong enough to at least incapacitate the enemy, then they wont be eliminated as a threat. The military is a very powerful force. Especially in modern times, but don't underestimate the power of a million man flesh wall coming right at you. In addition to this, about 2 people on average die every second right now. In the time that it took me to write this(10 minutes), over 1,200 people have already died. Take this and put it in terms of each dead person becoming a walker, and then you see you have a problem. Not only can you not prevent the spread of the virus since it already infects everyone, but you also wont be able to prevent the death rate from rising dramatically when shit hit the fan. People panic, people have issues, and people will inevitably get killed because they dont have any idea about the walkers yet. You can start looking at a death rate of 100 or 400 people a second around the world at that point, and that is still being generous with the deaths. Then at that point ten minutes means more like 60,000 walkers just came into the world lol. The biggest weakness of the military in this scenario is that the people are the supply of potential walkers, and a source for the virus to flourish. As long as there are people, there will be walkers.

[@d00med74]

👍..How long would it take a state to call up the national guard average time? How long would it take the Government to Mobilizes Federal Troops in American cities & states and towns & villages? Depending on the time there might be more Zombies than Troops on the ground that are emotionally or mentally ready to shoot unarmed people not to mention Bullets . How many soldiers or law enforcement would try to go home to protect their own families 1ST?

[@TWDExplained]

They can respond globally within 72 hours so I would think it would be faster in the US?

[@Rninetugs]

Its the fact EVERYONE TURNS and everyone who get bitten, turns. These 2 things make the spread impossible to defeat on a mass scale. In other zombie shows/films... You get bitten, / Infected then you turn... This is far more easy to contain. Even like the movie Doomsday... You can quarantine it,. Who knows if people born after the outbreak are immune to turning after death? People who were living in space?

[@sophiawilson8696]

Everyone have it the disease if you die you turn.

[@matteoclementi]

@@sophiawilson8696 We don't know for sure. We don't know the fate of cosmonauts if they turned or not, they never explain this. Also we never get the chance to see a kid born after the apocalypse turning. So for both questions only Kirkman know the answer.

[@matteoclementi]

@@sophiawilson8696 As the current state of course.

[@maxhydekyle2425]

Now that the comics are done, Kirkman should write a single issue special called "The Walking Dead: Realistic Edition" and have the military win while Rick's in a coma.

[@rs2085]

@6:30. Anyone who has been down range can tell you, there is a lot of spraying and praying.

[@glasswulf6346]

The military failed because bullets bounce of glass at least in the walking dead

[@TWDExplained]

They hardly ever go through chain link fences either.....but you can easily stab a knife through someone's skull like butter.

[@s4ph_stormzy925]

They should of made a episode about how it was like being a soldier in the outbreak that would have been cool

[@crusaderone1701]

Not enough ammo for everyone in the world maybe. Lol that's crazy to think but honestly it wouldn't be the military. But people would be fighting back as well. It would definitely be a crazy event that would happen.

[@dumitrulangham1721]

I must say I am surprised that they have not done a film that follows the military during apocalypse not just a plot where they have been sent on secret mission to find the place over run by zombies. I think they do one from I hospital POV as all hell breaks lose!

[@jinmori155]

Bruh even if they didn't knew the weakness just as close the internet would've probably given the military the info and even civilians could pas it up and the military would've pass it up as much as it could.

[@wardy6224]

Ok right off the bat imma say break down in communication, gradual lack of supplies, corruption, people bolting home to be with their families & sheer number of dead compared to living ..

[@MrJJuK]

If they were up against undead like 28 days later I can understand the military getting their asses kicked but TWD zombies, I don't see how you can lose 🤣 it's easy mode.

[@datguy3581]

Realistically the military wouldn’t fail but they did a pretty good job explaining it in FTWD

[@MeiMei-kw2ic]

It might big maybe the US military aren’t big enough to be in every state there only 1.3 million servicemen

[@absynthe1972]

If the army had won, then the show would have been mostly about the military and how they won.

[@roberthoyer3835]

The military requires extensive supply networks, from ammo to food. Disrupt supply and you cripple the warfighter. An army marches on its stomach..

[@comradenikoli3089]

I’d like to note that radio doesn’t go down , that’s not how that works radio will live forever and as long as you keep your radio maintained and charged you can communicate but regardless radio doesn’t “go down”

[@TWDExplained]

true - meant more as a saying - like "we were getting orders/messages from Base A and C but lost all contact" - meaning they probably got overrun or were abandoned.

[@rylan8046]

For a zombie apocoplyse to happen, it'll need to be in the perfect scenario. A world where zombies arent pop culture, just like TWD. Then its all down hill from there. How a zombie apocoplyse starts, is when a virus starts going around. People start getting sick, and start dying. A new pandemic starts and people panic. So while theyre focused on that, the dead start to reanimate, and completely side swipe the unsuspecting public. It starts off slow but the virus itself is still the main focus point until piles of dead bodies start to rise. Then the military roles in. They are a force to recon with but without knowing how to effectively kill the dead, and the rioting public, as well as the spreading sickness, theres so much going on that even if they do find out how to put the dead down, it'll be too late cause everything is already in anarchy. So i dont think the military lost due to plot, I think they legitimately got overran. Especially in cities like Los Angeles.

[@doulos1981]

I had a roommate who was a Marine. He lost a dorm wrestling match against a civie. The guys at the dorm started teasing him that a Marine should not be so easily beaten. He said, “we are not trained to wrestle. We are trained that if the enemy ever gets their hands on us, we have done something wrong.” The average Marine can make a head shot at 300 yards.

[@onwardsnomercy7538]

WWZ book "the battle of yonkers"

[@tralkki]

I think they succeeded, they just had to pull back and consolidate which eventually became the CRM

[@sunnibeney649]

Imagine the most funded military in the world loses to walking vegetables

[@Rick-so9bx]

In Afghanistan watching this rn. Awesome vid

[@tnerbtnerb5136]

Honestly? While the Walking Dead was an interesting look at dytopian societies and a world where humanity becomes its own worst enemy...it is an *ABYSMAL* zombie story. The zombie outbreak is almost an afterthought to the plot (in both the comics and the show). You want a realistically dangerous zombie AND a reasonable explanation of why most world militaries would get their asses kicked? Go read "World War Z". The "Battle of Yonkers" sums it up rather nicely.

[@trogo3402]

I would have never failed to contain this outbreak. I uphold democracy, freedom and the safety of Americans over my well being.

[@BarrelMaker0004]

Liberty Prime “ I detect communism on American soil”

[@clcp8137]

Appreciate the support brotha

[@TalonAshlar]

The Zombies in season 1 of the original walking dead were actually much more dangerous early on. If you watch carefully you can see them stalk their prey, use tools, run quickly and even climb fences and ladders or even attempt to open closed doors. The zombies in Fear the Walking dead were silly.

[@jirkazalabak1514]

I think the biggest factor on the possible failure wouldn´t be the military itself, but rather the failure of the economy as a whole. Our modern society is not self-sustaining anymore. Our water, our food, our clothes, our housing and electricity, all of that is made through a very complicated supply chain. Thanks to this sophistication, we have been able to grow our numbers to beyond our natural limits, but it has also made us vulnerable as a species. Most people have no idea how to feed or protect themselves, how to find shelter and other such things. Couple that with a population that far exceeds the natural availability of food and drinkable water, and you get a catastrophe if a crisis hits. Even in regular refugee situations, thousands of people die of exposure, hunger and disease, while the world around them still works normally. Now imagine a refugee situation happening EVERYWHERE on Earth at the same time. Supply chains become non-existent, and the emergency supplies run out pretty quickly. Sure, the military could set up safe zones, but for how long? With civilians outnumbering the military many times over, their MRE supplies would only last a couple of weeks at best. Scavenging is a good option for small groups of survivors, but for thousands of people, it is unsustainable in the long run. What happens then? People either die of starvation, or start fighting over the scraps that are left. Many will die in that fight, and many of them will become walkers. The military was probably aware of this, so they started limiting the amounts of people accepted into the refugee camps, which just left most of them to perish on the road without supplies (like we saw in the scene with Shane and Lori, before Atlanta was bombed). It is possible that some civilians, many of whom were probably armed, even attacked the military bases in hopes of looting some supplies. That would lead to even more dead, with many of them again becoming walkers. You probably get the picture by now.

[@Red5x5x5]

I think the critical point in 'the military fails' idea is that the military isn't one cohesive thing, it's a set of tools, a set of options, each with it's own strengths and weaknesses, it's own benefits and drawbacks. The military doesn't operate in a vacuum, it is directed by whatever the political structure is in that country. The majority of western countries are not going to want full scale military deployment, effectively against their own citizens, in the early stages of the outbreak. By the time the seriousness of the outbreak is known and indisputable, the time for deploying military forces in containment operations (If there is a government left to give orders) has already passed. Secondly, while the military is deployed it is consuming supplies which are not being replaced. Food, water, fuel, ammunition, spare parts, medical supplies, even manpower...the moment the logistics of the civilian world begin to break down, the military supply lines are endangered and probably cannot be restored. If they are able to hold and defend a base, yes, they will have stockpiles, but unless there are regular supply drops those stockpiles will start to run out. If serving personnel are allowed to be I g their families on to the base, supplies will run out faster - if they aren't, many will abandon their post to try and reach their families, especially once the command structure breaks down, no-one is paying them, and the world as they knew it is basically gone. You can also expect to lose huge numbers to suicide through PTSD as the outbreak moves on. Casualties and shortages will gradually see all the force-multipliers fall away - helicopters, aircraft, tanks, artillery. In a world where everyone is going to turn into the enemy, there is no military solution because the military is also becoming the enemy. The best use of the military in a TWD situation is to try to protect infrastructure until a cure is found, effectively buying time. Engaging zombies should be one possible tactic to achieve that, not an over-arching objective in itself.

[@sansduhskeleton1914]

Enclave: *now this looks like a job for me!*

[@ghostsniperable353]

realistically, the military would fail because of supplies running out, troops abandoning their posts, command being destroyed, and the walkers can pop up everywhere at anytime because everyone is affected already.

[@wolfcheeks109]

In real life I don't think the military would do this sort of thing they got families would they really want to put them in danger

[@wpown7564]

These clips of the military banter in this show just make me wish we had a Generation Kill type comedy set in a zombie apocalypse.

[@Nikkk6969]

Those zombies are so slow the military would definitely beat them. I would understand World War Z zombies, but soldiers are trained to survive in situations like this.

[@youdamanyoudaman]

I always thought it was strange that the military couldn't handle the zombies but small groups of people could wipe out small areas of entire towns to get supplies

[@stormer9952]

The problem with the military in zombied shows and movies is they have firing lines and use tactics that just don't work 1. Holding lines or compounds 2. Firing lines 3. Low power weapons 4. Not improving as the virus expands

[@TheGamer-cy9ln]

The gas masks that the military used could have actually been helpful. When you die you come back. But that might only apply to the people who made contact with the infected or were near them. If someone wore a gas mask near infected then they might have not gotten the virus and when they die they might not comeback because since they had a gas mask on then they might not have picked up the infection. So the gas masks might have not been useless after all.

[@tylerbunner4353]

We would win my MOS is a 12B so we focus on mobility, counter mobility and survivability. We would set up a defensive perimeter soldiers would patrol and guard the base while strike teams go out and as a last resort we would probably fall back to either a navy ship or I guess a low populated area

[@yoda8498]

Maybe because they had aim like stormtroopers Idk man just a guess

[@undertow2142]

Dig a giant hole outside every major city. Insert one giant boom box blast Madonna then set the hole on fire every time it fills up with zombies.

[@TWDExplained]

yep

[@apachekidd5460]

Why do people forget that the MARINES, AIRFORCE, AND NAVY, EXIST 🤣 (Airforce - AC-130, A-10 Warthog) boom two airborne vehicles right there (Navy - BIG ASS METAL BOATS IN THE SEA WHERE ZOMBIES CANT GET TO THEM WITH FOOKING RAIL GUNS) (Marines - THE ARMY BUT MORE LETHAL AND VISCOUS) there

[@danoarmstrong2597]

In a place like Montana (where I live), the military wouldn't even need to be called out. The civilian population is heavily armed, with lots and lots of hunters. If we can zap small, moving targets like gophers at 200 yards with open sights, head shots are not gonna be a problem.

[@TWDExplained]

haha yep

[@501ststormtrooper9]

If the SCP Foundation existed in that universe, I bet that they could contain it.

[@captainamerica6525]

Bite based infection moves very slowly. Containment by first responders, military, militia groups, vets...in a real situation this disease doesn't get off the ground.

[@exiaR2x78]

People not taking the situation serious then things getting too out of hand to quick, the covid out break is a good example for how infectious dieses can get out of hand.

[@zhangeldy4097]

Well, at least World Beyond remedied this issue a little. We know almost half a million people are alive in three highly industrialized and civilized cities with functional supply chains and gasoline even 10 years into the future. Apparently noob military got overrun, everyone else even remotely competent in military and government regrouped in Philadelphia, Omaha and Portland and built walls and established semblance of pre-apocalypse US.

[@nfldend501]

In full riot gear their would be no shot that the zombies could even bite them along with ranks and apaches a 10s remember dawn of the dead or w.e in London when they just firebombed london. Areas could have been easily completely quarantined like thier doing in china especially heavy us bases the zombies would have never even been able to enter unless the initial outbreak caused chaos but that is against quarantine protocol. One more add on all our strategic bases like the President bunker Cheyenne mountain would still be active so I do not get why radios are down

[@killian9314]

Maybe it's the reddit assumption that 99% of people turned into walkers in the first month

[@elliotsmith9704]

The walking dead killed off my unit because we didn’t want to turn off our lights back in session one, the school episode.

[@gorillagaming8722]

The only conceivable way the military would fail is if they were sabotaged, or if a mini civil war broke out. Literally that is the only way that zombies could overcome the military.

[@wizardlycash2507]

Honestly the zombies would keep coming unless every body who died was forced into burn pits, but overall its just a whole cluster F*** for the military during the TWD