The War Within Dungeons Are Short

[@Flirt136]

People prefer shorter dungeons

[@Riflez0ne]

I feel like the people playing wow now are the same people who have always been playing. Now we're in our 30-40s shorter dungeon are nice when your busy with work and kids. I approve

[@Flirt136]

@@Riflez0ne I remember abolutely hating the long walking simulator dungeons like wailing caverns and sunken temple, even back in the day

[@northyhobbies]

good? this is exactly what people want dude... high quality low time investment will always beat whatever the hell you'd define Uldaman as

[@fuadkattan6622]

disagree dungeons should be short and sweet especially when you do it 100 times.

[@sputnik7472]

Maybe we should move away from having to re-do the same content 100 times?

[@jesseperez4185]

@@sputnik7472 idk, it can be done right, i have no problem doing the same hunts in monster hunter world. Its to a point where I look forward to do that monster again, there just needs to be skill expression and players will want to do it again and improve.

[@fuadkattan6622]

@@sputnik7472 Yes that would be ideal but good luck solving a 20+ year problem besides throwing more man hours towards creating more content

[@justCezarMe]

Zoomer take

[@Snapshot29]

I like long dungeons and was just thinking how I wish there was more. Sadly, i feel like most people get annoyed with longer dungeons because they just want to grind quickly and not invest a lot of time in it. I prefer the adventure and immersion though.

[@Gamepro5]

I mostly agree with you. I want more RPG elements in WoW. I would like there to be a separate queue for mega dungeons and one for short dungeons.

[@elliotsimpson3591]

Overall, I prefer shorter dungeons. I took a 12 year hiatus, came back mid-DF, and one of the first things I did (I don't recall why) was run BRD. I spent HOURS in there. WAY too long. Sure, it's nice to do once in a while, but not 'have' to do it on a weekly cooldown for content. I do agree that having mega dungeons for a 5-person, longer adventure is a benefit, and adding a new one every 2 years is way too long. On the other hand, I think having just as many mega dungeons as M+ dungeons is excessive. I'd say my 2-3 per expac? Either one every other year, or one per major patch update (which might be on the too often side).

[@MrCarlWax]

I think the reason that the older, longer dungeons were good was because you did them once or twice. It was about exploring and finding cool places. You can only experience that once or twice. But make me do them once a or even several times a day and those same dungeons will be miserable to do. The shorter dungeons and the new design is just better for what we use them for, which is m+ or just doing them several times in normal or heroic. I really don't like the idea of varied dungeon time. Not a big difference at least. It will be the dungeon you avoid or sigh over because you know it will a very long one. Something that isn't really fun when mistakes can happen and really drag it out way past its welcome. The current dungeons are about 30min long. That is plenty of time to sit and focus heavily on in one go. Longer than that is just exhausting. I also think that shorter dungeons will make/allow people to be more forgiving, be more keen to invite non-meta specs and just more accepting to take risks, because they aren't gonna spend 40-60min in a very long dungeon that if people aren't really good may take waaay longer and waste so much time, let alone if you deplete the key after it all. 20-30min is a more acceptable time to invite that non-meta spec, the person with a bit low rio or ilvl and to be more fine with wiping a key.

[@xXxGUZxXx]

Most people don’t wanna spend anymore than 20 minutes in a dungeon now and im the same i wanna go in get my loot and leave to do something else but adding more mega dungeons is fine

[@bocollins5219]

I just started playing again after bout 5yr break . From what I notice most would prefer shorter I'm a healer and I barely get to loot it's more of a race every group I'm in seem to try to run as fast as they can to the point no one loots the trash mobs just kill and run on by towards the boss

[@csguy3223]

I don’t think 1 mega dungeon per major content patch is too much to ask though. They are good content. I do think dungeons should generally take 20 minutes or less though. I hate 45+ minute dungeons.

[@stacynewcomb4525]

My first run through Deadmines took close to 2 hours, proper hard work where you had to pick every mob carefully or risk a wipe, not this rush in OP and blitz it in 10 mins, sign of the times I guess, quick fix is the Gen z way for everything.

[@jani14jani]

One of the best things about DF coming to an end is that i never have to do another dawn of the infinites run. Easily my least favorite long dungeons. TBC was the peak when it came to dungeon length imo.

[@HappyPow]

People hated long dungeons since vanilla

[@vankal2127]

The smaller the better since its content that u do 2 years in a row.I wish they would change mythic raiding to 10man/8man so i can play with friends

[@justCezarMe]

The problem is 2024 blizzard .

[@jakubpelikan2393]

its simple. They are desinged around m+ 20 minute rush nothing els. You think you will ever see dungeon like BRD or UBRS? No. Even megadungeons are desingned around being split next seasons into m+ dungeons.

[@louistremblay1218]

I think that problem also stems from creating content in a very formulaic, by the book, convenient way, 4 zones in the new continent, 4 bosses in almost each dungeons, 8 bosses in almost every raid, i get that its probably alot easier to work like that when you are pumping expansions every 2 years now, and it probably is a good thing for the games health, it also provides us with a lot more consistent updates, and im sure most of the 1% player who dont care about adventure, discovery or immersion and all well served, but its pretty essential in my mind of have dungeons that dont feel like a reskined version of one another, some could be longer, some could be super short, complicated, simple, some could have heavy story telling elements, some could be as simple as '' go kill the kobolts because kobolts bad '' . its a problem the game has been having since legion, where it started being designed around M+

[@DiogoSerranito]

This man doesn't have self respect. Wish him better. Or he doesnt do mythic plus.

[@Kleowi]

I find it interesting that FFXIV's dungeon design, which has been repeatedly lambasted by WoW players for years, is slowly and steadily being adopted by WoW. 😮

[@miriamweller812]

? FFXIV is 50% copy paste of WoW plus 50% copy paste of other FF games. And it simply got no dungeon design after ARR, it's 99% 3-5 mob groups, boss, 3-4 mob groups, boss, 3-5 mob groups, boss, wih nowhere to go, only the thin path you are forced to walk and you just pull all these mob groups toward the boss room 'door' or barriere they install to slow you down and just AoE them down.

[@rawritstandy]

FFXIV dungeon design is a corridor with 3 trash pulls followed by a "wall" before the boss fight, repeat ad nauseum. This was made even worse when the older dungeons which had exploration like Thousand Maws got reworked into the same template as everything else.

[@nthnthms1212]

Shorter and shorter experiences? Dragonflight dungeons feel long as hell. Not sure if you are trolling or your opinion is just garbage. Must be clickbait.

[@rawritstandy]

Great, someone turn youtube off and on again please. The algorithm is spitting bad takes at me.

[@stakkadakka3427]

The WoW mega dungeons are great, all new dungeons they should all be like that and then spilt into 2 for M+. People that want short dungeons just want rewards asap or a fast leveling experience, which could be acheived in other ways. If the game isn't quick enough for you, maybe you should go touch some grass.

[@talonzor2476]

So basically you want 8 megadungeons? :)

[@lucid9949]

uldaman was very long and it was the worst dungeon last season by far. we dont need longer dungeons. i think you are incompetent

[@Blluxx]

@@lucid9949 just because there happen to be a long dungeon last season that also happen to be bad doesn’t mean that all long dungeons are bad. This is an extremely shallow idea, was halls of valor bad? Was return to Kara? No. Think for yourself, don’t parrot ideas just because they are popular online. Or your favourite content creator said so and you have to agree with everything they say. This comment makes you sound incapable of thinking past basic ideas, and for that iam afraid you’re that one looking incompetent my friend. Ps. Uldaman had a 35minute timer which is not long at all, pretty normal actually. It felt longer because the dungeon was bad, not because it actually was in-fact longer

[@katkall2]

refuse to come back till they add player housing. Not a temporary barracks or class hall. Real Player Housing!

[@bluderino]

If they create houses that are just cosmetics it will be useless, if they add useful things like NPCs it turns into a garrison, which was the main complain on why you never left the garrison and the game feels empty. Just my opinion on it :)

[@katkall2]

@@bluderino I want them to be useless just my little corner of the game.

[@bluderino]

@@katkall2 that's fair, now I want a trophy room to place an onyxia head

[@TheManMalik]

No shit World of Warcraft is done, like why ya'll keep getting shocked about these problems? They had problems ever since activision came and buttpumped Blizzard with quick fix transactions. (It began before, but Activision in just taking it to another level of dumb)

[@EmoDragracer]

You know what else is done? The super original comments saying WoW is “done” or “dead” 😅

[@TheManMalik]

@@EmoDragracer how u gon end that? Those will only be done when people stop posting vids that say wow has a problem. Because it clearly does. Its done, numbers are rapidly decreasing.

[@jani14jani]

@@TheManMalik and your source for player counts decreasing is? This isn't shadowlands anymore.

[@TheManMalik]

You are right it's not. It's much worse than Shadowlands. As for my source.. Its called logic.. Blizzard/Activision still hasnt published an official status of active subscribers since idk maybe Shadowlands. Thus I have the theory that numbers this must be lacking. The IcyVeins post about the amount of subs is not credible since there are no actual numbers to look at.

[@miriamweller812]

99% of the gaming industry whishes to be as dead as WoW.

[@shawn.s.woodward2787]

Oh please get out of your chair then and live a bit of life there fixed.