The warped $2300 Warhammer model - can it be saved?

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We spent the last week building the Forgeworld T'au Manta. When we got the miniature it was severely warped. Were we able to build it anyway?
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[@SquidmarMiniatures]

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[@dirtyjondeadwood9505]

im looking forward to adding the airbrush to my squidmar brush collection XD

[@zacharystitt3992]

Why dont you cut the spare fire warriors and use them for a type of veical commander? Another idea is doing a military type burial by having the helmets of the fire worriers on sticks behind the tombstones.

[@nevyn6071]

Tested showed off some wireless LED lights.

[@theecowgamer7308]

if you ever need to sand something use Scotch-Brite it makes the serfice rough but doesnt damage the model also its soft so it can do curves well . at work we use it to paint car parts :)

[@forrestcrabbe]

A heat gun might help with warped parts. Awesome build, y'all have a badass day 🤘

[@gazimoff]

Instead of just using LEDs, have a look at running optic fibre strands as well. That way you can have smaller light sources and your electrical wiring is a lot easier. Also, you can use RGB lighting down the optic fibre to create flickering effects vs sinister glows.

[@TheFossilAcademy]

Could test making holes in the resin on an off cut using a really hot pin for the optic cable to go in.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@TheFossilAcademy should work

[@xTheZapper]

@@TheFossilAcademy why would you do that? There are small drill bits for this purpose. Melting the plastic will leave a bulge and also isn't going to produce reliably repeatable hole sizes, a drill will clear the debris and always make the same size hole.

[@TheFossilAcademy]

@@xTheZapper fair point, was just thinking how thin the diameter was of fibre optic cable, wouldn’t be a bulge after you’d sanded the face and thought it might be a quicker method, did say test it :)

[@aggonzalezdc]

I 1000% agree on using fiber instead of just small LEDs. BUT That said, are we seriously saying that the Manta is STILL on fire a decade after it crashed? I mean, its possible. If Manta fires are like underground coal seam fires then ok, but I dont see why they would. So if a ship is going to actually be on fire or throwing sparks or w/e a decade after it crashes, put some good thought into why, or it wont make much sense.

[@theobviouskraken3404]

GDub and FW: "These premium kits cost a mortgage" Consumers: "That means they fit together really well right? Nice and easy to build?" GDub and FW: *sweats*

[@geteavnroc2250]

They don't sweat. They simply don't care.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@geteavnroc2250 not really true, whenever I had warped, miscast or missing parts in FW kits, replacement parts were recived within three work days of calling or mailing FW customer service. And I don't live in the UK.

[@silaskuemmerle2505]

@@SonsOfLorgar if they cared, their premium kits wouldn't leave the factory with bad parts in the first place

[@matthewdougherty1159]

@@SonsOfLorgar lucky you years ago i ordered a imperial guard kill team box from a games workshop catalog when i got it it was broken and missing bits sent it back was told we could not get a refund because it was missing parts in the end only got a partial refund and no kill team box

[@M3A7]

This is why I buy gundams, and honestly just watch warhammer videos and scratch my head at wtf ya'll are thinking..........

[@kyleanderson7635]

You would think for an item that is individually made to order at such a high premium the QC would be a lot better 🤷

[@salvation7362]

For that price the lack of QA for something that size is disgusting. I'd personally be asking for a portion of my money back.

[@luclin92]

wow the amount of fixes you had to do for this model is pretty insane, thankfully it will turn into a diorama and not a play piece so anything can be modified to fit the scene, but i do wonder how many has experienced this when they bought it. or if you have been especially unlucky

[@Mr.Kronk2]

From a paint R&D Chemist. Sanding is a really good idea, but ideally do it before you wash the surface. All this fine dust can also cause adhesion problems. IPA is the right way to go with cleaning the surface. If you want to prevent adhesion problems, go find some industrial special developed coatings with good adhesion to polystyrene, which is the plastic GW is using. I don't know the quality of the Citadel paints, but i have a feeling that their price does not reflect the actual quality of the paint. However the upside of the citadel paints and similar brands of paint is, that it is easy and already developed, to be used by hand. But high quality paint can really outshine lower quality stuff when it comes to mechanical properties, such as wet and dry adhesion. If you want to test the adhesion of the coating, apply an even coat on a leftover piece of plastic. let it dry compleatly. Thereafter use a knife, and cut a X in the coating. Cover the x with 1 piece of tape, and pull it off in one go. This is the test we used to compare the adhesion (atleast on wood and composite materials) for paints.

[@PwnZonePanda]

You should have the firewarrior trying to repair a radio for help, and have a drone fishing over the water with a line dropping down from it haha

[@nahhfam7678]

In the workshop area, you can add some vertical interest to guide the viewers eye down to the craft and ground details where the story of the lone fire warrior having the goal of building a rudimentary beacon to rescue the valuble technology bodged out of scrap from the ship and nearby salvage and rigging various suits and traps around the perimeter. He is just kicking it until help arrives but his caution is well founded as in the foliage at the edge you can hide univited guests such as orcs, genestealers or even Katachan jungle warriors stalking the Tau prey if its tropical surroundings. This way once the viewer follows the limes.of the ship they are led various little details and nice touches. You could even have a little competition to try and see who can spot the correct number of jungle fighters or other xenos caught in traps and hiding to win some of the Tau you mentioned as potential giveaway.

[@Joebob31100]

You guys illustrated the two biggest problems I have with Forge World. The release agent, and the warping. I bought a Mastodon from them a while back, and it's infuriating to pay 500+ dollars for a model and the pieces don't fit properly. Let alone a 2000+ dollar model. If anyone is spending that much on a product, every single piece should be damn-near perfect.

[@Matt-tb5un]

For $2300 that thing should come clean and wrapped in silk. GW dgaf Edit: I'm sorry. My first reaction shouldn't be bashing GW but congratulating you on your persistence with this model. You're making it happen despite all the hurdles put in front of you!

[@VallornDeathblade]

No, your first reaction was correct. GW and Forge World shouldn't be selling 2k miniatures with this many defects.

[@Ritchiet]

Thanks for an awesome video! One reason that the paint didn't stick in the surface might be that you used way too much Fairy detergent. You don't never put it directly into the surface. And even when you mix it with water, you don't need a much. Because it takes a lot of extra time to clean the detergent from the surface and the cleaning result is not as good if you use it only a little. Knowing because I'm close to that industry :)

[@framedkraken7403]

I've always loved how nature is able to go through anything, so I was thinking, what about this: -One of the wings of the manta pierced by a big tree, and you can clearly see the cables and rest of the ship along the trunk of the tree as it progressively grew overtime. if not, another idea could be to have one little pond of fuel/acid that spilled from the ship so the dirt around the pond could be corroded and burnt but still some resistant alien fungi/mushrooms grow on the sides of the pond as they don't care what it is they are strong as heck.

[@ryanrj23]

With the leftover firewarriors you should make a tau council diorama or war meeting type of situation.

[@pointynoodle]

"It's grimdark or whatever, right? so the cracks are just immersive wear and tear, really, the buyer should thank us." - Forgeworld QC

[@StarFyreXXX]

Fw used to recommend not using hobby primer (including gw). They said auto primer is better for resin. I've always used duplicolor auto white sandable. I wonder if they stopped mentioning that as it took business away

[@wesrrowlands8309]

After this video they should stop mentioning that they make models too lol. I wouldn't be surprised if in some places automotive primer is hard to get, the laws about paints is insane in areas like California.

[@ethanroberts2658]

Maybe aswell as a necron tomb entrance you should have some Rusty necrons at the bottom of the lake

[@drewnielsen4328]

I think you guys are doing great. I was also thinking some alien ruins above or below ground would be a great add. However I feel like less is more with what you guys are building.

[@iamcuthulu316]

The tau fire warrior should have gear that looks improvised or heavily used, that'd be pretty cool.

[@ninzom]

I'd love to see (or rather not see) a purple Ork. He just splattered paint all over himself and is standing next to the Genestealers in their cave or doing other sneaky stuff.

[@water-lh4ke]

I appreciate you both, especially Lukas! I feel he is an absolute work horse

[@brother_bear_hobbies]

Have a weapons catch of imperial weapons. The lone fire warrior has collected them from around the battle field storing them so can't be picked up and used against him. Also you could have a couple of Jokaero's watching him work from a tree judging him. " should of used a 12" bit there"

[@pankalich]

Try wet sanding ... not only you wont breath that residue, your sanding sticks also last longer

[@17blaziken]

Use the latest pathfinder piece for the lone firewarrior, or base it around one of the many conversion for kill team. It would look a lot more like a "marbo" character, rather than a random (lucky?) Survivor

[@Tim_Currys_Acting_Career]

You should name the fire warrior Sku'i D'mar and have him at his work bench attempting to assemble a small model of a thunderhawk or manta to pass the time.

[@AndrewGostev]

I actually love putting models together and I thin I’m pretty good at it. But this looks like a lot of pain. For that amount of money one would think they could do a better job.

[@rushi5638]

>ships been crashed for 20-40 years >there's still a Tau survivor >checks Tau lifespan

[@bensmith8723]

id love to see the lone fire warrior embrace his inner earth caste and power all his things off of the power core of an old crisis suit he managed to haul from the wreckage

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Man for 2300 bucks you would think there would be better quality control.

[@Prikelywombat]

Make a sort of graveyard with the helmets as the marker of the fallen tau

[@isa0005]

For a second there I thought you were going to be washing the bits with Indian Pale Ale 🤣😂

[@TrashTerrain]

When you said IPA I was hell yah let's get some beer in this build 😅

[@LongWarEnjoyer]

Recently had to cancel a forgeworld order for being pending for over a month, I am glad i did!

[@L0mbi]

Hey, here my humble contribution/idea for this cool project : use one crisis suit as a power supply for the improvised bench.

[@robjohnson339]

Of course it crashed, it’s the Forge World Pinto.

[@slifer1178]

How can you not be angry about this? like the vibe I'm getting is, "oh whatever, I just have to cut off large chunks of this $2300 model in order to actually build the thing, whoopie-do!"

[@ahoyturtle]

Undeniable proof to the corrupting influence of the Warp on the Tau...

[@GarrettPDGA]

When he said wash in IPA I instantly thought beer. Canadian brain

[@nikolakraljic330]

Would be cool to put torn off pieces of the ship on the bottom of the lake

[@average_joe_krootdude5240]

Instead of a fish, a small tyranid or genestealer should be about to grab his hook and the fish are swimming away! Maybe a ripper?

[@juliomata1391]

For that price, that model should fit together like a Gundam!

[@tristansmith8377]

I think it would be cool if you took all of the drones and hid them throughout the entire diorama.

[@mikeypark2917]

I’m very confused. If the manta is supposed to have been crashed for 30-40yrs, why would there be pilots and a few fire warriors still sitting in it. Thought there was only supposed to be 1 survivor?

[@himmelsturmerIX]

For that price it should be perfect grade.

[@ellismccoy]

I honestly feel mad that the pieces are in such bad shape. Utterly ridiculous. I really hope people at Forgeworld see this and feel ashamed...

[@pabonismygod]

FYI: In the future, always try to use a respirator while sanding and cutting resin. Resin dust plays havoc in your lungs. I know you all used some later in the video, but earlier I didn't see any. :P

[@shwasywasy]

Personally (and I know this won't happen because its a major change) but I think Necrons would match better than tyranids. I think necrons are more likely to watch and observe where tyranids I feel would just eat the guys...

[@anurglingwithinternetacess4622]

Hey did u run it under water and clean off a thin layer

[@Dlúith]

I ain’t saying you should pirate FW products, but I reckon there’s a decent chance you’d get higher quality models if you went bin diving out the back of a Toys R Us than buying from FW themselves

[@martinboyle7347]

if you need someone to take some of those hammerheads and devilfish off ya hands my army could do with a boost.

[@charleyedwards2121]

i cant believe you dint just wash all those parts in a bin of hot water and degreaser

[@danielboatright8887]

$2300...... Bethesda level QC....... this is why you 3D print your own.

[@Adam88Reyes]

Did you guys let the primer sit for 24h?

[@lordkoth6735]

My army painter stuck and I didnt even wash my mini

[@thedyingmeme6]

Nah i woulda just sent it back like 'i paid 2.3k for this and got shitty quality send me my money back or recast it.'

[@cabellism]

Havn't watched any of the video yet. A few ways to save it: Showpiece of your previous video. 3D print off the parts you need and make it a big slap in the face to FW/GW Try to bend them back and hope to god you dont break it. Send the shit back for replacement parts.

[@snapshot79]

Shouldn‘t you get free replacement parts for the warped parts?

[@zanar_fm]

How is FW still in business?

[@marcelveronelli3920]

Sad to see how bad the quality is on such an expensive mini. Otherwise great video as always!

[@PaddyWagonn]

Mmmmyes wash the resin in Indian Pale Ale hahaha

[@LordKingKamiGuru]

For that price Forgeworld should've made sure each piece fit before sending it off. The price reflects that it's supposed to be a premium product. They even sent you a cracked part. Where's the quality control?

[@romeisfallingagain]

Its a joke. Would never buy

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

I mean. They should just make it in plastic 😜

[@WeyounLP]

@@SquidmarMiniatures are you gonna give an honest opinion at the end of the video series? I mean surely you cant be satisfied for what money you spent on it

[@romeisfallingagain]

@@SquidmarMiniatures you are a soldier for not giving up. I would have gone bonkers

[@bummer6]

​@@SquidmarMiniatures Eh... That's not really viable for a product like this. Resin makes sense for low quantities since the molds are much less costly, but that does NOT excuse the abhorrent quality control on display here. Seriously, this shows that FW and GW are more than willing to treat their most devoted customers like dirt.

[@ZombieMonkey7]

Really any other modeling company probably would have died from embarrassment and humiliation if one of the biggest creators in the hobbling scene posted this video. I mean just having that title, and that thumbnail must be a huge stain on the Forgeworld brand, who knows how many customers were lost just from this incident. But this is Games Workshop/Forgeworld we are talking about here, where there is absolutely no shame to be had. The fact that three months has passed, and given the view count it's basically impossible they missed the video, and still nobody at the company said "You know this is bad PR, we need to do something" really tells you all you need to know about GW/FW.

[@TenebrusI07]

@Garth Macdonald Considering how good bandai gundam kits are for 200$ or the 300$ tamiya lancaster kit... which is a bit bigger than the manta. It's pathetic honestly. All the major players are better than this.

[@whssy]

They probably consider Emil a competitor because he sells a few brushes. But yeah... F.,k GW.

[@pdizzlemac]

GW probably sees it and goes, “we made our money, so big whoop?” And then doesn’t acknowledge its existence.

[@zacharyradford5552]

Your comparing resin cast to polystyrene cast. Resin cast damn near always warps.

[@Julian_The_Apostate]

You're asking the wrong questions, it's not "can a model that costs over 2 grand be saved?" it's "why isn't the production quality of a model that costs over 2 grand perfect?"

[@denisgulyakin5262]

If those idiots buy crap for 2k why bother about quality.

[@HerbaceousM8]

they cant sell $100 of material for 2000 if they dont rush out warped garbage

[@robbie__uk]

Imagine getting a £2000 model from tamiya or even airfix? You would be fuming and send it back surely?

[@Kermitt_Frog]

if you want the quality you expect from it, it would cost 20grand and not only 2grand. They do not produce millions of it, so every part has to pay a lot of the tooling cost at all. The warping is shit for sure. Seems like the producer does not let em cool out long enough or the parts itself are not well designed to easily warp. On the other hand, half of the cutting squidmar did, could be avoidable by put the parts together first, see whats not fitting, warp it back and then glue it. The way he did it, with every adjustment he made it harder for the next part to fit. You can see in the clip, that with every minute the differences get bigger and thats not essentially a problem of the material, but also how its been handled.

[@joek600]

@@Kermitt_Frog I would cost 20K if it was plastic. There is not a huge tooling cost for resin. The molds last for 30-40 reproductions if they are not handdled by apes pulling and tearing them apart, so every 30+ Mantas (meaning 60000 euros) FW has to spend around 250 euros for silicone molds. Probably even less depending the brand of the silicone and the discount for buying bulk

[@HowToPnP]

100% honest: For that price, this quality is embarrassing!

[@BB-pn2qv]

Indeed

[@WhiskyLima]

I have had $20 Airfix kits fit better than this

[@HowToPnP]

@@H-to-O resin kits in general have a bit of a problem with warping and fitting together, but this thing costs more than a used car and no one cared enough to double check?

[@louiscypher4186]

@@HowToPnP My guess is: low production run, large size = outsourced production to the lowest bidder.

[@HowToPnP]

@@louiscypher4186 for a product, that costs more than what most people make in a month.

[@DaneInTheUS]

$2300 for all this warped, broken resin - it's a good thing I'm not getting any forgeworld lol

[@nickkohlmann]

Yeah.

[@nickkohlmann]

And they wonder why people go for third party works that are literally better casting quality.. I would have bought far more FW by now had I not had to EXPECT it to be in terrible shape and being right about it to a degree building a simple 8 part kit takes up to multiple hours of fixing and preparing often requiring special tools or other stuff I don't have at hand despite having a well-prepared toolbox that brought me through 10 years of building.. barely worth the frustration

[@BB-pn2qv]

Yup, this insures I won’t touch Forge World EVER

[@medisniper]

Printer go brr

[@SudsyMedusa53]

I legitimately would not pay $230 for this.

[@yourdad7853]

Technically, this is just a REALLY grand base for a single zenos model.

[@richardloveday5761]

This is such a strange hobby at times, where buying a product costing in the 1000's comes with acceptance of 'oh there are faults and nothing fits but we can sort it', as opposed to, "oi you con people, give me a non faulty product" 🤣🤣🤣

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

You're probably right, but I'm having fun and I like a challenge 😁... Also who have time for drama.

[@velazquezn]

Early Access product xD

[@mikemcphil]

@@SquidmarMiniatures Id have a blast with it too, as I love messing with the models, but man. Still unexcusable on GWs part. But hey, awesome vids for us and fun for you and your crew are the byproducts, so that's a win.

[@jonashenriksson2182]

I would probably just accept it, which I agree is really weird :D Sanding, filling, cutting and fixing just feels like an integral part of the hobby.

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

@@jonashenriksson2182 #swedishreaction

[@andrewszigeti2174]

This video perfectly illustrates why I'll NEVER purchase GW resin. For the price they charge, I would expect a perfect fit every time, not an 80% failure rate.

[@VictorJeraldo]

This is why you should buy resin kits bootleg 100% of the time. You'll get way better quality than the official.

[@BB-pn2qv]

@@VictorJeraldo yup

[@BB-pn2qv]

No kidding this is horrendous. Never touching Forge World lol EVER

[@TimberKov]

I remember when people tried using "It's for real modeler's" as an excuse lol

[@ShallowVA]

I don't want to take away from the creativity and hard work going into this project, because it's really cool, and I'm very excited about seeing it all come together, but it's pretty wild that one of the most expensive models FW sells is so poorly produced that you're better off chopping it up for terrain than assembling it as intended. As for the Fire Warriors... build a Blood Bowl pitch and sit them in the stands!

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Haha that's actually a fun idea 😅

[@GuthanSlayer]

ya its udnerstandable but to be fair to FW they do offer replacements for all the shit they might fuck up.

[@chemonized]

@@GuthanSlayer these days they want you to send back the defect parts...

[@frostedbutts4340]

@@GuthanSlayer Takes freaking forever though, and even then some of the replacements come warped!

[@giadalussu1922]

@@GuthanSlayer ye, but it does take time tho, and knowing their policies they probably will ask you to pay for shipping both going to and from

[@inf3243]

Great build, but it's kind of convinced me to never buy Forge World.

[@-Benedict]

I'm sorry to be blunt, but you're a mug for accepting it like that. That is appalling, pre-production quality. You should have demanded a refund. If Forge World think it's OK to send out stuff like that, they're outright con artists.

[@WeyounLP]

watch gw fanboys actually defend this quality.

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

🤷‍♂️

[@mrafk5658]

At this price a refund should be a minimum.

[@mrmaat]

It would be a questionable purchase at $200, much less $2300. I bought metal stuff from GW 15-20 years ago but not the finecast trash.

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

@@WeyounLP nobody is

[@MagashiSaizen]

Honestly, for how expensive this model is, I would had sent it back and asked for a new one, the amount of defects on your manta is unacceptable.

[@MagosCavantis]

Considering the price of the models, it´s a joke that these kind of warped parts even leave production.

[@WhiskyLima]

I was thinking the same thing, i can't believe gw can really get away with it

[@superchroma]

GW is a garbage company.

[@amygillespie2588]

I can't believe you paid $2,300 and it came that badly warped. That's a fair amount of money for such horrible quality control.

[@calebbarnhouse496]

even if it had insane quality control it would still be very expensive, let alone with seemingly none

[@onlockmobileskateshop113]

Literally needs a whole team to fix and construct this "mini". This would take me a lifetime. Great effort. Shame on FW for their efforts in quality control. Heat and warping are a thing with resin though??

[@mudawott]

@@H-to-O quite frankly yeah. It is a thing and a good company should know this

[@theexchipmunk]

@@mudawott And if the Company cares, it can be mitigated. Easily even so. But that cost money, and GW is all about maximizing profit by all means.

[@Dagstyrr]

This guy is sounding more and more like he signed an NDA everyday. I know no other hobby where you'd spend this money and get such a shit product.

[@joek600]

1) he didnt really payed for it with his own money 2) he is going to make the same or even more money from the youtube content he is going to produce even in a diorama form 3) Just wait until he auctions it and gets 3x the money as an added revenue.

[@AuroraDawnOff]

For the Necron idea, maybe something subtle would work like a single Canoptek Acanthrite partially visible in a cavern, or 1-2 Scarabs at the bottom of the lake?

[@JohnSmith-df6oi]

Imagine being GW/FW and thinking that your warped and damaged products are worth the premium prices you charge. No wonder there is a huge re-casting industry.

[@denisgulyakin5262]

Imagine being recaster who did absolute best copies of this shit, but clients complain about quality of your resin and molds, because their manta has same problems as on video. Poor recasters.

[@chemonized]

@@denisgulyakin5262 most recast is actually better than FW

[@wesrrowlands8309]

It's like the game industry where ppl fix the products for them, the recasts probably aren't even this warped.

[@tom.wilkinson1]

You should add extra bits onto the drone like he has added them on over time. Maybe a lazer for cutting things, or some sort of scanner thing

[@watermelonhelmet6854]

I've been into cast resin Garage Kits for little over a decade. For a company the size of GW to sell a model at that ridiculous price, cracked and warped parts simply should not happen. I've bought kits of a similar size from individual hobbyists that were both 10 times the quality and less than a quarter of the price. If I were you I'd have sent it back and demanded a refund.

[@phoenix0828]

maybe FW gets them produced by some cheap thai resin shop? the only times I've seen resin being cast that bad was when buying hard to find resin recasts off of some thai ebay shop

[@nian89]

I heard there are recasters that make better products than forgeworld themselves

[@phoenix0828]

@@nian89 that isn't hard xD Just get one of those things, repair every part and recast it properly. If you deal with resin correctly, there's almost no chance it comes out that broken

[@superchroma]

cue apologist saying it would cost $20k to make perfectly from factory

[@stormisuedonym4599]

@@nian89 Most every recaster I've run across produces beter.

[@michaelmiguelsanchez]

When you said you’d wash the parts with IPA, I thought I’d never considered using beer to clean resin…

[@beerenmusli8220]

There is a beeer called Isopropyl Alcohol :rofl: ?

[@Hellsong89]

Yeah, buddy is big on resin printer and everytime he mentions IPA my mind goes to beer... @Beerenmüsli Now that is just fucked up :D

[@domnoya4130]

Would a de greaser work? I use it to clean oil barrels covered in grease and oil before painting them, and it pretty much strips the paint off just from spraying it on the metal. You just spray and wipe and the paint comes right off including any oil on top of the paint. Its not great if you dont want to strip paint under the oil or grease though. This is just a standard de greaser from any auto store. If it can strip literal oil and paint off of metal in one spray, I assume it would work? It definitely isn't ipa though as it doesn't have that smell. It is some sort of chemical concoction that absolutely destroys oils and leaves surfaces feeling like they were just sanded. Wouldn't doubt if it causes cancer though. Most auto chemicals do.

[@nolanbaker2360]

@@domnoya4130 might annihilate your resin or other materials sounds very harsh

[@moxpox7]

Its just not okay for GW to sell a mini that is SO warped, when it costs that much!!

[@GreatestCornholio]

It’s disgusting to sell a product of that quality for such a high price. To the average Joe that would be impossible to build because of all the faults, it would basically be junk.

[@Moonwake534]

they are a shitty company who dont care

[@michaeljames1334]

what i learned from this video. this kit is not worth the cost, and also i need one of those tamiya saws

[@Warlundrie]

Should definitely add some reactor core leakage around the manta with either some neon light underneath to make it glow or use really bright neon colours! Also I'm still hoping that my Lictor hiding in plain sight due to camoflauge aka painting him like the background idea get's in the final project, lictors are one of my favorite 40k models and it's rare to see them as minis do what they do in the lore, camoflauge almost so perfectly you can't see it even with space marine tech

[@nolanbaker2360]

this is an A1 tier comment

[@yokko123]

The amount of work it takes to fix a product that supposed to be a premium one is outrageous. Hell, you shouldn't have to fix it in the first place. Anyways, it's amazing that you managed to make it work, great job.

[@nickkohlmann]

Indeed. But holy fuck, one centimeter of overlap is RIDICULOUS.

[@BB-pn2qv]

This is truly awful quality control, indeed. Impressed he could handle it, but I pity any fool who spends this much to get this level of crap production

[@silasadamsen9788]

Would be cool if he had a wall filled with tallymarks for each passed day and if the lake had a 'squid'mar monster. Nice vid :)

[@Orrissan]

Make a few red ones to mark when one of them died. So at the start there are a lot but over time less and less.

[@emilydowd-arrow3751]

Was thinking that very thing

[@hopkirk87]

Sad to see that ForgeWorld haven't really fixed their QC problems over the years.

[@xephorce]

I would like to see the lone surviver have some kind heavy weapon turret setup for protection of his camp. maybe one salvaged from the Manta. I also loved to see something like from the movie Enemy Mind. how 2 opposing sides have to work together to survive. maybe a lone space marine or regular human. that crashlanded there to. now they have become friends due to mutual respect from surviving together. IDK I love the droid idea to.

[@l.r.j.r.6356]

And with the chest of a crisis battle suit and some camo lether make the little camp, with some plants over the chest plate

[@nightwingsurfer]

Imagine a new MacBook Pro with a trackpad that is not working, cracked monitor, processor that heats up like crazy, battery problems, OS with a series of bugs... and you're like: "Hey, I like the challenge, I will fix everything by myself." This is just an awful product by FW and the price is horrendous for a piece of plastic trash. Much respect to the videocreators and hobby community for investing so much time and money, making such an epic project out of it.

[@Zaoresor]

I recently watch a video of model maker with more then 40 years in hobby, where he described he’s feeling of “magic like it was in his childhood” when he was assembling airplane from Tamiya (Mustang P40) - level of detail, engineering, precision, everything was on the level of art, not “just some pile of plastic”. He was telling about how he has enjoyed process of building the model and how it was inspiring for him….and then this “premium product”… I can understand “enjoying ascetics”, but at some point you should ask yourself if it worth it. I better buy 5 perfect grades from Bandai, than 1 model like this. IMHO.

[@giadalussu1922]

@@Zaoresor I mean, even two 3d printers and a couple kg/liter or 3d printing supplies would be better than this

[@Zaoresor]

@@wolfie54321 kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaCraol6d9GgeNU - I like this maker, he takes 20-40$ models and create incredible detailed handmade models with as much depth as you can only only wish. And this is with just “mass produced plastic kit”. I’m not expecting “handmade, extremely expensive kit” to be perfect, but some level of QC is expected. I don’t really care if this product is 20 years old, GW have resources to improve their molds and models, they even can use 3D printer to create this models. Almost all videos about Forgedworld products have similarities- warped parts, missing parts, bad instructions - and all this is about products 10 to 100 times more expensive then average plastic kit from Tamiya or Bandai. Yes, I like to buy Titan for myself, because there is nothing like that (maybe some resin Gundam kits, but they have different ascetics), but at the same time it’s possible to buy 3d printer and print analog with roughly same quality for less money…. And we can create any level of complexity in our projects as we wish.

[@sixfoothalfling253]

You could hold a contest and send out the extra warriors. people paint them and send them back and you can create another diorama. the new one could be a team that came to rescue the lone warrior but got swallowed themselves by the jungle

[@douglascampbell9809]

Honestly the fit and quality control at Forge World is pitiful. I bet the 3 D printer recast crowd has better quality control than Forge World does.

[@Solorogue91]

Im super curious where this is going and how it'll look when done. But this definitely convinces me to never order forgeworld. I'll 3d print anything I want from them if this is their quality control.

[@GeneJordan]

The background story: Perhaps some of the Fire Warriors on board your Manta managed to escape the crash via emergency escape pods in board. My idea: You or someone else can design a 3D printer file of a Mantra themed Escape Pod. Then you could give away the extra Fire Warriors and make the 3D print file for the escape pod available for download. This way several others could paint up a part of the model and display it on their shelf of models in the escape pod - or out of it and surviving in their own mini diarama on whatever planet or ship it managed to take the occupant to. It would become the "largest" 40K themed diorama with the "furthest spread out parts" in the world! It could even be used as another charity fundraiser.

[@marcelburdon9795]

That is a hard to arrange, but amazingly cool idea, I’d love to be part of this

[@nolanbaker2360]

This is an A1 tier comment

[@GeneJordan]

@@nolanbaker2360 Back in November, I sent him this same message via Patreon. He said, "It's an interesting idea, I'll have a chat with the team about it."

[@nolanbaker2360]

@@GeneJordan very cool

[@yagsipcc287]

The oily feel on the parts is because of "bad" resin they did not mix the resin in the right amounts this is becoming more and more common with ForgeWorld these days and it seems to be more so with the bigger more super expensive stuff as well. People have been talking about this for a while as well. They call ForgeWorld up they tell them to clean it and they keep doing it over and over again.

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Ouff, is there a way to confirm this?

[@yagsipcc287]

@@SquidmarMiniatures Not sure tbh I have seen people say this from time to time. It seems to be more so an issue with bigger models. I know The Outer Circle talked about this a good while ago. It happened to one of his friends or someone he knew. Maybe reach out to him if you can he might know more about it or at least give an example of it happening to someone he knows. Going by your video yours doesnt seem to be nearly as bad as others when it comes to the oily look/feel. It should be ok though :-)

[@MosoKaiser]

@@SquidmarMiniatures Yeah, if the parts remain sticky or slimy after a good wash to remove any possible remnants of mould release agent, there's something wrong with the resin, having caused it to not cure properly. Most probably the resin components either weren't mixed in the proper ratios or the ratios were correct but the mixing of them wasn't thorough enough.

[@yagsipcc287]

@@actualwafflesenjoyer Yes but not in this case. This has been an issue with some ForgeWorld models or bits and in extreme cases you will see weeping from parts. This case isnt that bad at all tbh. most mold release comes off with little effort. I also know people in the past who would do casting stuff for cosplay etc... this was never an issue and isnt an issue with smaller companies as well. Only seems to be ForgeWorld.

[@wesrrowlands8309]

I had that happen with a 1:1 aliens pulse rifle replica i got, it came from a guy everyone says had the best but apparently it was lazy day at the place when they cast it.

[@KingKooba22]

nice to see the same quality control goes into their mega expensive "premium" line of models as goes into their codexes

[@Sarg-zm6jy]

Man I feel a little bit of the pain you've gone through. I bought an Astraeus Superheavy a few months ago, and a lot of my parts were warped, or had parts just plain un-filled in during the casting process, so there are small gaps of resin missing along the main body. Frustrating as all hell.

[@nickkohlmann]

This exact vision is why I didn't buy it yet. Literally easier to build it myself from scratch than to bring up the money and repair it

[@Sarg-zm6jy]

@@wolfie54321 I thought about it, but with how long shipping takes (especially in the past year), and the (apparently very real) possibility of getting another bad part, I figured it just wasn't worth the hassle.

[@Hellsong89]

@@Sarg-zm6jy And that is why they get away with it. UK has customer protection laws. If the parts are warped, i will send them back and demand straight new ones and no i'm not paying for the shipping. If its resins fault, then chance the material, hell go back to metal castings or plastics if there is that much warpage issues. I was thinking on getting a army, but GW has convinced me not to bother wasting money on them. Maybe could print a army, but i would still need all the rulebooks etc so no. Until GW pulls head off their ass and starts to treat customers like customers, not walking wallets or consumers not to mention all the bullshit with fan animations and other crap they have pulled they wont be getting penny from me until there is actual chance in the company that is legit and not just some PR stunt. Real support for fan animations and dropping price a bunch or increasing quality to correspond with the price.

[@korpzgrinda6364]

It would be great to see a Crisis Suit overgrown and blended into the forest like Bastion from the Overwatch Animated Short | "The Last Bastion"

[@brushlickerstudio28]

Forge world resin tends to sweat out release agent and oils for a long time, unfortunately one scrubbing is usually not enough. I typically scrub everything, plce in a box or drawer for a week and then take it out and its slimy again. Then i wash it second time and its usually ready to go then. Bad luck that you got this problem on such an ambitious model project! Keeping fingers crossed for this table, its gonna be awesome!

[@Moonwake534]

12 hours of labor after you get your $2000 model, seems fair and fun

[@joek600]

Its not release agent, the problem probably is in the mix of A and B components of the resin. When you dont mix the exact amounts (by weight or volume) you get an oily resin that has difficulty to accept paint.

[@alexandrekoenig6216]

The release agent is real pain in the ass, and I ususaly use two methods to fix the problem. The first is using agrume based solvents wich can be diluted up to 10% in tepid water and let it soak about 2 days. The solvent proved to be hignly efficient against any release agent I encountered with no high toxicity. PU resin are very reselient again most of the chemicals you can throw at them. The only one product able to melt it is near impossible to buy as its toxicity is far too high for non-professionnal use and too complicated with its waste management. The other solution I found for big bits is quite an extremist one and proves to be HIGHLY DANGEROUS. But its efficiency being equal to its danger level... It is soaking the big bits in a slightly water diluted caustic soda bath. To cleanse it from CS residues, pieces need to be rinced with a mix of water an acetic acid (household vineager - acid neutralizing the basic CS, and makes the bitz grippy very quickly) This method was succefully used on FW Zone Mortalis tiles wich resisted all form of washing and were previously unable to get paint stuck on it, the paint simply and purely stripping away in large flakes... NOT recommended for beginners or people unfamiliar with handling hazardous chemicals, and NOT INSIDE your appartment of course, requires the use of a face shield, googles and special chemical resistant clothing and gloves... Extreme conditions demand extreme responses...

[@fildwebble2424]

As an idea, you could have a smaller tau ship, (say a sunshark) that was acting as part of the Mantas escort; it got shot down too and now acts as a decrepid watchtower for the lone surviving fire warrior. This is an amazing project you're working on and I can't wait to see it completed!

[@Jcontention]

I'd be ashamed to sell a product of this quality, the fact they sent something so flawed out to a youtuber with nearly 350k subs is just mindboggling.