The Watcher In The Rain Is HORRIFYING! | Warhammer 40k Lore

[@weshammer]

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[@lordschnitzel7961]

Trash Game

[@ericmiller931]

Is this stroy in audiobook or book? What are some wh40k audiobooks? I have bought a couple of wh40k books but returned them

[@Thebloonsolver]

The Space Marines or Adeptus Astartes are foremost amongst the defenders of Humanity, the greatest of the Emperor of Mankind's warriors. They are barely Human at all, but superhuman; having been made superior in all respects to a normal man by a harsh regime of genetic modification, psycho-conditioning and rigorous training.

[@dialpeveintidos]

@@lordschnitzel7961 it is, in fact, raid was created in order to addict the players to gambling, cause they also sell slot machines

[@ericmiller931]

@@Thebloonsolver yes that is true but do you know of any good wh40k adiobooks

[@alphariusomegon3965]

I love the ending it’s a real “well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my actions”

[@CaptainFirespitter]

Such beautiful justice being delivered to the deranged people opposing the emperor’s will. The emperor always watches.

[@heartlessnobody1143]

*fitting*

[@gabrielbelouche3954]

The crew: Finally good fking food

[@joaoguilhermeassim]

Indeed,even in death she's still served amirite?

[@hardbassdoge8750]

Some say you could feel crozius nae naeing as his killer was stabbed and filleted

[@gutz166]

The Watcher is actually the good guy, an entity that judge ones that committed grave sins and ask/haunts them to acknowledge their dark deeds. Remember, warp entities doesn't have to be demonic horrors , it can also manifest good ones, for instance , St. Celestine or ghost warriors.

[@gornrox7518]

And technically speaking the chaos gods are cool too. Its just their cool stuff bein overshadowed by how corrupt they are. Damned War In Heaven...

[@crossbearer6453]

@@gornrox7518 you call them cool because they manifest dark deeds That’s always cool by worldly standards

[@nouhorni3229]

@@gornrox7518 Slaanesh too? Excess is too much per definition.

[@zoned7609]

@@crossbearer6453 "worldly" lol sounds like JW cult speak

[@crossbearer6453]

@@zoned7609 true though But it is a word used to describe our primal human tendencies and surroundings Thankfully I’m not JW my Mum made sure of that after she saw a colleague married to a JW who had to watch her baby die because they wouldn’t allow him to get a blood transfusion Now I know more about them theologically to know not to even listen to their preaching

[@tuachixiong5232]

Damn. For sure thought that the ship was just gonna be the watcher toying with her. But that ending fits way better than the one I thought of. A literal consequential taste of their actions.

[@TarsonTalon]

The Watcher tried to save her, IMO. Welp, what comes around, goes around...

[@mikesnapper9001]

Yea i assumed it was watcher tricking her into opening airlock

[@firmak2]

​@@TarsonTalon save her how? Damnation? Suffication? She was dead no matter what.

[@jeffbrownstain]

@@firmak2 Perhaps the Watcher works by your admittion of your sins, recognition of your own internal evil and salvation through acceptance? Maybe?

[@Jacobk-g7r]

What if the watcher wanted that to happen?

[@DapperWood]

To everyone watching this retelling, i cannot stress enough that you find a way to listen to the actual audio drama. It's really well done and worth the time

[@hellishwerewolf7798]

Audible.

[@kyledreger4254]

@@hellishwerewolf7798 and the black library app

[@mrpartychiken2870]

I made time to immerse myself it and the book Had me trembling

[@elliothicks4747]

Thanks for the recommendation. I found one where they used a cast of different voice actors, and it played out like the old radio stories I used to listen to.

[@tomt7621]

You're probably right and I really enjoyed it. But I think, after this great retelling, games workshop should consider to give we shammer the job of a reader for their audio books. His retelling gave me shivering just like the original.

[@generalalduin9548]

It’s poetic that she’s killed by a crew she screwed over. I like to think that, right before she died, she saw the Watchers face and was horrified by what she really was.

[@Gus-n9u]

Another lost soul who was screwed over by the corpse emperor? She went about it in a fucked up way, but she was 100% right about the imperium. In before “this post right here sir”

[@ethribin4188]

Naw. She wouldnt be horrified. She doesnt have that emotional capability anymore. But I agree, she propably gave in and looked, seeing and accepting the irony ofthe situation.

[@connorschulze-baldwin7960]

A roast chicken 🍗

[@connorschulze-baldwin7960]

That's what she would see

[@permeus2nd]

I don’t think she will see the watcher, that thing got left behind in the warp storm but I imagine she will be horrified when she steps off the ship and sees the ships ID, she is a scribe after all and she will remember the name of the ship doomed and when she sees the guardsmen draw his gun she will know exactlywhats about to happen.

[@Naruhodo788]

In world of space demons fighting super soldiers, this is one of the creepiest things I’ve heard

[@24fretsoffury]

The Black Library has some really good horror novels. He mentions it, but they are pretty horrifying, as even in Age of Sigmar has horrid implications of the settings. The Warhammer Crime novels are also extremely good. I prefer the Crime novels, personally, the 40k universe is so interesting when told by a single perspective in a hive city. Flesh and Steel has a moment that has haunted me since I read it, if you know, you know.

[@bige4333]

Let me introduce you to the flayed ones my good man. These are the perfect mix of mental and pshyisical fucked up.

[@giacomoromano8842]

The horror of this story is the depths of malices that humans are capable of, being either the horrific work conditions of the Imperium, the monstrosity of the Inquisition or the unthinkable consequences of the actions of a Scribe thrilled by the prospect of murder.

[@antoinecyr2833]

What’s the moment exactly

[@johnorulzu]

@@antoinecyr2833 Same. I'm curious as well.

[@Horribleman]

By the end of the story the Watcher, while creepy, doesn't even seem like an antagonistic entity. It's like a chaos entity of metaphysical and literal reflection.Holding people accountable for their past transgressions. Would explain it's why it's so interested in the one character over all others.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

Not chaos, it warp base yes but has no connection to any god, it is it's own thing, chaos may be big but it not the whole warp there are small independent factions. This is guilt but taken form, hunting down the most horrible people to feed off of them, has such it is a good warp entity who may be even against chaos. Think about it you are a guard about to get murdered by a chaos marine, this guy will tell the marine to turn around and eat him, then gets up waves good bye and feeds off more marines. You meanwhile will be left alone since your innocent and not a good snack, a rare good warp entity.

[@Horribleman]

@@Fourtytwo4242 I generally see chaos and the warp as interchangable at the current era of 40k. I agree its probably not tied to any big four. I don't know if I'd call it a good entity, it still feeds-off of the suffering of those it affects and can drive them insane but I suppose its a matter of perspective. The Guy is the story died seemingly content after expressing his grief and regret so worked out for him I suppose.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

@@Horribleman well it was not after the guy, it wanted the girl who killed millions, it after the worse of the worse, so if your not that much of a bastard it leave you alone while it go straight for a dark eldar and have a nice lunch. It more neutral then good I guess but clearly not evil has it only wants to hunt rapists and murders then a lonely soldier following orders. But then again in 40k neutral is good.

[@SH-qs7ee]

@@Fourtytwo4242 It likely isn't good, or bad, or neutral, it just Is. It may not even be a warp entity, just a phenomenon created by the incoming warp storm; a semi-sentient dark mirror reflecting a person's own psyche back at them. Have to remember the Warp itself is pretty much a realm of our own emotions and such, so any seeping into reality will likely affect psykers and those with the most emotional baggage first. Even the elderly scribe saw it, and from the sound of it, his only real problem is hubris; he even tried raising a warning about someone possibly trapped and left behind.

[@goen5601]

It just one of the way for demon to corrupt people. They torment them if their past not for the purpose of redemption but mostly to break them and make them their slave.

[@jaketheberge1970]

I discovered this story due to Bricky and Adeptus Ridiculous. The only thing scarier than aliens, demons, and eldritch horrors? Paper work.

[@MrDaros89]

Ever been to a DMV?

[@mrfritz2502]

Just a couple little guys.

[@jaketheberge1970]

@@mrfritz2502 Careful. You don't wanna get transformed into a short stack. Or maybe you do idk.

[@Rolfhn]

And Sly Marbo

[@mrfritz2502]

Sly Marbo once tossed a grenade that killed 11 orks, then it exploded.

[@tenou213]

I really appreciated how this much horror was possible with only a tiny smidge of chaos. Mental breakdown from stress alone called have filled the watcher's role. Also, reminder that humanity doesn't actually need chaos to be terrible.

[@MariusThePaladin]

Chaos in this one is cute in comparison to the girl lol

[@sawspitfire422]

You could argue that chaos is only terrible because of humanity

[@swimm8329]

@@sawspitfire422 and eldar

[@firmak2]

This may have not even been chaos

[@yonib8796]

@@swimm8329 and.... uh, no. basically it

[@ThomasAllen90]

If you want some horror, the Siege of Terra series has loads of great perspectives from normal humans, done in a way which really puts you there.

[@weshammer]

I'm looking forward to it. I wanted to finish every book in the heresy before I started siege.... I may just skip ahead since it's ending soon 😅

[@mikehunt3420]

@@weshammerglad im not the only one. Ive still got a long way to go

[@stevepalpatine2828]

​@WesHammer It's worth working your way through the Heresy series in order imo, yeah a few of the novels don't advance the main story, but they introduce characters I've been pleasantly surprised to see pop up again during the Siege. It's not necessary to enjoy the Siege story, but I enjoyed meeting characters I'd forgotten about 20-30 books ago again and seeing their stories wrap up.

[@ernimuja6991]

One problem with it, is that so far as I've read, it's mostly just Nurgle and his blasted garden over and over again.

[@BeggarsNight]

Just read up to Horus’s corruption (second book, I believe), then skip to the Siege of Terra series. The rest isn’t super important, and the siege novels get the absolute best writing from Abnett especially.

[@dawall3732]

That was incredibly poetic and whoever wrote that story was a genius. She actually created her own death trap. :)

[@viderevero1338]

An actual cleverly written 40K story? This must be the heretical work of a Tzeentach worshipper!

[@georgetitsworth8919]

The last line of this comment... you d af

[@rd0676]

@@viderevero1338 Hey hey people Tzeentach here

[@cookeyjarsgamingshenanigan5034]

That Ending...What perfect Irony. While the inquistor apprentice accepted everything and even though betrayed, I'd like to think he went Peacefully while coming to terms with what he did. Greta on the other hand....Welp, she has become a meal to someone's table. And I would not be surprised if this was the SAME militarum that resorted to cannibalism. edit: Oops, I thought not. But, still Ironic.

[@jakeguillory8232]

it could’ve easily been another militarum that she screwed over before she was caught

[@ronnyrdr6553]

So your not worried about the static vox comms in the end ?. I dont know the story. But i'm guessing she carries The watcher in the rain with her

[@pensador6953]

@@ronnyrdr6553 what if is the watcher saying praise the imperium "under her skin"

[@pedromoura1446]

@@ronnyrdr6553 given that they'll all most likely be executed for canibalism and she'll be eaten I'd say the watcher is the one that should be careful not to end up as corpse starch XD

[@drakelo3114]

@@ronnyrdr6553 Yeah .. She did seem to know a lot about it

[@ImposCoE]

EYO! That double twist ending was INSAAAAAAANE! Whoever wrote this story is a mad genius!

[@crazeguy26]

that was a damn good ending.

[@Narumi_Nokami]

who wrote dis?

[@TheDark1903]

I saw the first one coming, that second one though..

[@josuevalar6465]

Bro that was exquisite, the double under

[@shandon122]

The ending is really something. Getting killed and eaten by the crew she denied rations to is really nothing short of poetic

[@Elloliott]

This plays out like a fairy tale with the message of "Always do the right thing" as its theme, and I love it.

[@GibbDibb]

The inquisitor did what he thought was right "a drop of mercy will result in the blood of a thousand innocent" He tortured people to save lives. The scribe became mad because of the bureaucratic regime which had consumed her life And thought this was her only way of fighting back In the end the rescuers did what they thought was right by eating her

[@cvernon5256]

Can't help but smile at that ending. Her just desserts come by her own hand. I understand why she committed what she did, the logic not being terrible in the face of 40k's reality. The poetic close is fantastic

[@darthchungus9964]

Looks like she might be dessert soon enough

[@headoverheels88]

Well put, and same with the smile. It's a weird feeling of a combination of pity and "that's what you get". There is nothing more satisfying than something happening and having actual believable consequences. It's 10x more so when she's taken so much glee from it. Simply poetic.

[@vonheimheim4915]

The inquisitor was right on the money, one. He doesnt make mistakes, two, a drop of mercy.

[@EpicAMV911]

Bro fuck that, i almost can't believe that this bitch thwarted her own race like that without even a trace of chaos corruption. She just wanted to feel powerful, how unbelievably selfish. Like if she truly wanted to be idealistic in her efforts against the imperium she should have (quite obviously) praised herself to the ruinous powers, but obviously she seems too cowardly for that.

[@livedandletdie]

@@vonheimheim4915 No, the inquisitors are all wrong. Am an Anarchist in heart, so laws and regulations are the most vile thing that exists, death is but the fruit of our labor, and only to ourselves should we labor in the first place.

[@kerryridgway8021]

One of the best things about this story I think is they never explain what the watcher in the rain actually is. I listened to one horror audiobook and it was revealed to be a Daemon of Tzeentch. To me that took all of the fear aspect out of it. The unknown aspect of this watcher is what makes it scary.

[@elijahnajera5425]

I know, right? Not all of Chaos are the four gods, they are just the four most influential beings there. There's a plethora of smaller deamons skulking about in the Warp as well. A warp entity not connected to any major gods would've been refreshing.

[@valletas]

I wished he was a god or chaos demon of consequences and had no relation to any of the chaos gods

[@oldleatherhandsfriends4053]

@@elijahnajera5425 Also the fact they are the four MAJOR gods not all the gods.

[@wilddoge5130]

There are more things in the Warp that even the Chaos Gods do not cross.... tread carefully.

[@Xingmey]

That's how horror works. And forcing everything i tjose 4 chaos god realms just makes that a joke and not horror

[@Mic_Glow]

lol the ending I love how the eldritch horror is just the background of the story. Oh, there is a solar-system sized warp storm and a mind-invading entity? That's normal stuff for imperium citizens. Like weather.

[@blenderbanana]

😂

[@7GamesUnlimited7]

What a perfect ending. The inquisitor was a monster that regretted his own actions and died trying to redeem himself While the scribe was pretending to be innocent only for the reveal that she was a monster all along and died due to the consequences of her own actions. And the watcher was portrayed as a monster but never was one at all. Only a being that makes you face your own sins and regrets. Amazing story

[@KweiNathaniel]

And the guardsmen were the true hero’s of the story

[@lennyztrobos8678]

@@KweiNathaniel Everything worked out great in the end

[@KweiNathaniel]

@@lennyztrobos8678 especially for the guardsmen

[@7GamesUnlimited7]

@@KweiNathaniel As it should be

[@KweiNathaniel]

@@7GamesUnlimited7 yes like always the guardsmen may lose a battle many battles but they will always win against those who harm the Imperium of man

[@nicolas5082]

When I listened to this story, all I can think of is the flaws of the imperium and how it is failing its people. Driving someone to this point due to the harsh codes and laws enforced upon the people. The salamanders are far from perfect, but it really does solidifies them as one of my favorite chapters, due to them actually giving a shit about mankind

[@Gothic7876]

@Alcid he was trying to deny the W Chaos Gods worshippers by denying them as being gods.

[@JosephHead]

If you can take a look at the space wolves fighting back against the inquisition after the War for Armageddon. I had thought that the wolves were just the executioners of the emperor, they do the imperiums bidding without question but this showed them in a different light

[@midorian12491]

I'd rather just live as a Tau guy.

[@jg2323]

@@alcid4268 Kind of? The idea was to starve the chaos gods. They are only 'gods' because they are in fact so powerful. Lets take Khorne for example. God of strife and conflict. Every form of strife and conflict feeds him. A drunken brawl that starts because of a football game? He gets a drop of power. You butcher 1000 people praising his name, he gets a bucket of power. Big E knows you cant outright destroy the chaos gods, but he can make them wither on the vine to the point they are ineffectual. Imagine if khorne couldn't manifest in any way in the galaxy; he can't summon bloodletters, can't whisper in people ear encouraging them to fight, can't affect anything even on a small scale. He's too weak and too atrophied to affect the world in any way. Sure, the god 'exists' but so what? He's effectively harmless. That was the emperors plan. Weaken them to the point they are powerless to interfere. And how do you stop them from giving power to the chaos gods, either directly or even unconciously? They can't do it if they don't know they exist. If they know the gods exist then on some level they know "Huh, that monster I just butcher just made khorne a bit stronger." And that means khorne got more than just the bare minimum sliver of power from it. His plan was just to reduce their gains in power to the absolute bare minimum by denying even the knowledge they existed in the first place, thus in turn making them so weak they can't make their existence known and appear with a sign over their head saying "Hi, we exist, notice me!"

[@swimm8329]

@@midorian12491 nah fam. Be a merchant.

[@Channel-23s]

“Everyone is fucked” but at least Karma got everyone and especially her the irony that the “Imperium will eat itself” when they get to her and feast on her for the long journey

[@cardinalwilson8034]

i wouldn't say "feast" because saying feasting means enjoying the food. They eat it to survive.

[@Channel-23s]

@@cardinalwilson8034 true but I have heard of animal documentaries saying feast as a group goes and kills a deer or antelope from wolf or Lion crow or vultures it’s a dual meaning I guess both as a dinner party and savage eating of another person or animal dead or alive

[@cardinalwilson8034]

@@Channel-23s i dont know, but somehow it sounded right when you use the term on animals.

[@Channel-23s]

@@cardinalwilson8034 Guess it’s the difference in being savage or not one usage is a grand food course and meeting the other brutal consumption of flesh and bone while the animal is slowly dying or already dead. ( cannibalization is a quite inhuman experience granted they did so to live and just on poetic/Ironic accidental target)

[@unclekanethetiberiummain1994]

@@cardinalwilson8034 The crew are starved and the officer does stated to not let anyone knew they were committing cannibalism. So it's a feast except for maybe the 2 men who know the truth.

[@genericdreamers831]

This was a superb allegory on monsters. At the end of the day, the watcher in the rain did as much actual damage as a campfire story about werewolves or vampires. All of our infamous monsters are just allegory for the monsters within ourselves.

[@moriskurth628]

I mean, the Watcher pretty much mindrapes anyone that acknowledged it into madness. While it's true the Interrogator did awful shit, the thing that caused him to go insane was the Watcher, and nothing else, since he was already brainwashed and trained not to feel anything about it. It would be like saying the One Ring didn't do anything, the people that carried it simply wanted it for themselves from the get go. So, the Watcher took an active role. It just didn't rip people apart with its claws or anything, abd just fuck with their heads, which is pretty much spot on how most Daemon corruption works. Unless its Nurgle, then you just get physically ill.

[@ausfo5557]

@@moriskurth628 All the watcher really did was force them to confront who they were. It is not uncommon in real life for people who have done terrible things to reflect on them at a later point in their lives and feel bad about it. Some people can live in delusion, can refuse to look at the evil of their own actions, as with the scribe. But the larger point was that even if you refuse to acknowledge your own evil, it can still catch up to you in the end. When we externalize evil, when we cannot acknowledge it as originating within ourselves, that is when we are truly lost.

[@pedromoura1446]

I love how the administratum officer just tells her "I'll tell you how to get out of here in a few months" that's the good 'ol imperium bureaucracy alright XD

[@wolfbrother8043]

"I was thinking about the horrible fate this mission was reserving me, deamon, chaos space marine, filthy xenos.... But I was wrong, the worst was the silent and cold embrace of the dark space"

[@wind_traveler]

WesHammer: “I don’t think is possible to put into words just how truly horrific and terrifying the universe of Warhammer 40k is.” Also WesHammer: proceeds to put into word just how truly horrific and terrifying the universe of Warhammer 40k is

[@KaJuHD]

no its much more horrifying than just this

[@Sir_Kophagus]

duality of man

[@smaakjeks]

As long as it isn't too macrab. (1:24)

[@xoresgaminghub5412]

This is thursday in 40k standards my man

[@barbawillow8904]

An additional horror twist to the plot could be that the very warp storm that started it all was caused by all the tormented souls of those who died due Greta's actions, dragged through Immaterium until they gather around K4 to have its final revenge (and sure they did)

[@The_Guizai]

underrated comment

[@SAMPAIDAWG]

Vengeful spirits if you will... those show up a lot in 40k wouldnt you say? 😏

[@alexbibby9641]

Now that’s some ironic poetic justice right there Karma at its finest

[@BigJubble]

Honestly we need more eldritch in 40k. We know so much about the chaos gods that its difficult to properly portray the Horror they could actually be. But things like the Watcher are PERFECT examples of things from the warp that are truely eldritch. We understand so little of what it is, what it wants, and that's honestly what the warp and the entities within it should be. Its weird how rarely we see the "Horror" aspect of the warp or indeed ANY part 40k that could be horror stories in their own right. I'd love to see some stories from the human perspective about the Red Terror. Or any of the horrific shit that goes on in the Ghoul Stars, since I'm fairly certain you have some truly eldritch entities lurking the the Ghoul stars that are entirely separate from the warp.

[@OljeiKhan]

I think the problem with Chaos Gods is that they all have standardized armies of demons with set-in-stone shapes for the tabletop. These "unaligned" warp entities are much more interesting because they have nothing to do with the tabletop so they can be alive and realistic within the confines of the lore. A bloodletter would be terrifying to encounter sure , but you know everything there is to know about it. Meanwhile this watcher thing could be ANYTHING. A Chaos Spawn gone wrong? An unidentified demon of Tzeentch? Or the infinitely better option , something unknowable.

[@nulnoh219]

Yea, things that can be killed with a gun is less scary that the unknown.

[@MegaGullas]

It's the issue of the 40K Universe usually being depicted through the eyes of the Emperor's Angels of Death, 8+ft. tall demigods clad in power armor thicker than tank plating, armed with standard issue rapid-firing rocket launchers (Bolters); often with a side of thousands-of-years-old Eldar alien witches acting out inscrutable millennia-long plans. When you're just a person on the ground, whether it's in the meatgrinder of the front lines of the Astra Militarum, or the Hive Worlds; things are a LOT scarier.

[@crimzenwoffinden9973]

Imagine a warp entity that is all beyond human interpretation, you can't, such a warped entity is beyond us and thankfully contained to it's existence. Literally impossible and a cognitive hazard that drives all mad who experience it. Something so horrible you can't believe it exists.

[@plxlnnt]

i was hoping the ending would be “but he passed out with his hand still on the communicator and she admitted it directly to aatrox”

[@wiiblii8584]

"Your request has been recorded, and you shall receive your directions in 3-12 months, NEXT!" Most administratum quote ever

[@Anton43218]

Lmao eastern european bureaucracy be like

[@Theoreticallyyou1234]

Am I misunderstanding this correctly, in the end her own missfilings that undoubtably caused the cannibalism onboard the imperial vessel that agreed to board her is what led to the men deciding to kill her and eat her?

[@rumorcontrol7873]

it is at least implied so yes

[@Stitched_up]

I don't think the men knew she was the one who miss filled their. I think that's what they've been for months, going around looking vessels in distress and promising to help the people on board. Only to kill the people they rescue so they can eat them. It's just ironic that Greta, just so happened to be rescued by the same people she screwed over

[@Gripfang]

That's the implication. For all we know, there could be a thousand other scribes on a thousand other worlds who do the same thing for the same or their own reasons. It's not improbable in a rotting empire as vast as the Imperium of Man.

[@Sphendrana]

The amount of missfilings she did could have inevitably led to other instances of cannibleism, this could be an entirely different group, but basically yes, she got eaten by her own consequences.

[@dubstepXpower]

I don't really understand her motivation, other than the fact she may have gone insane from the job/warp storm/ watcher

[@AshtonCoolman]

This is beautifully Grim dark. This lowly Adept got more done in her short life than Abaddon and the black crusade in that time. I love how this shows that the Imperium is its own worst enemy.

[@mikesnapper9001]

Still funny how she killed so many and yet it didn't even make a dent because there are simply so many people in total in 40k

[@xoresgaminghub5412]

​@@mikesnapper9001well it did a dent .. propably not big one but still a dent .. otherwise interrogator wouldmt be sent after her

[@mattimeikalainen6963]

​@@xoresgaminghub5412the interrogator was sent after his own mother just to be proven a point. Given that the interrogator only knew of the one missfiling she did. All that matteted was her heresy, not the size of it.

[@xoresgaminghub5412]

@@mattimeikalainen6963 i think you misunderstood, he was sent after his mother before .. not on this planet.

[@mattimeikalainen6963]

@@xoresgaminghub5412 no i know that. My point was that the interrogators arent exactly rarely sent out. Heresy is like the most common crime in the imperium.

[@edvfya9922]

Man I've gotta say your topics of discussion, the details you highlight, and your descriptions is what gets me hyped for new videos. I'm really enjoying all of your long videos especially, your perspective is much appreciated.

[@texasallstar6969]

I can't believe what damage she did. SO many lost. may the emperor be with them.

[@StickySauce101]

stories like this are why they need to expand Chaos beyond just the big three gods, there are infinite horrors within the Warp and having it restrained to just three "gods" is not sufficient, there are countless monsters waiting to be found / explored.

[@WickedPrince3D]

I don''t think it's just those three, but they are the three biggest and most well-known.

[@garretth8224]

Btw there are 4 chaos gods.

[@Catpanl]

GW is a business. Too many characters is bad for sales. Pacing is key.

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

this story was horrifying, and the fact that we did not discover who/what the watcher was or what the fate of the world it took over is...makes this whole story way more scary, and its still out there somewhere. By far this is the most interesting/creepy 40k entity i have heard about in a while. Edit: also props to you for not making 40k topics that have been covered by literally everyone else, and actually making interesting 40k content...like i havent even heard about horrors THIS scary from 40k Keep up the good work.

[@alltomorrowsfan]

the watcher is probably a warp manifestation of humanity's collective guilt, trying to get people to look at it, to look at the evil they have done, and the choices they chose not to make

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

@@alltomorrowsfan i was thinking about something like that too, and it does make sense. It appeared the around the same time when the warp storm hit. But i want to belive that its an entirely alien thing, (like the Tyranids) who somehow saw the warp storm as a good opportunity to attack for reasons unknown to us.

[@haemahn6072]

Wait till the warp storms clear off and the Imperium goes to settle their new ocean world, built on the drowned corpse of its former self.

[@HamlettheOmelette]

This is the first time in a long one that I've heard a new 40k horror story that isn't the fucking Daemonculaba. Like, the Daemonculaba is grotesque, but it's been put on a pedestal for 40k horror for so long that it's lost its impact.

[@genderconfusedwolffromshre8914]

@@HamlettheOmelette same, and i myself consider the daemon culaba more interesting than scary/horroristic. I do love that story its a great one, but we need more spotlight for these "underrated" horror stories from 40k, there are some truly twisted ones.

[@ashleydavis5559]

I don't play Warhammer, but I like to learn about the lore. Glad I recently found your channel, always nice to listen.

[@madMARTYNmarsh1981]

be careful with that, an interest in the lore can turn into a bank account destroying addiction to little plastic dudes... I speak from experience 😂

[@ashleydavis5559]

@@madMARTYNmarsh1981 I'm already looking at the triumph of St. Kathrine and szarekh, only thing stopping me is my horrible paint skills. 😭

[@rhinogames2320]

Im the same Love the lore and books but cant get into table haha

[@custodesmarco]

When they managed to escape, I told myself, "That's it? That's not creepy at all." Then the confession happened.

[@tio_john]

and them karma arrived

[@firmak2]

​@@tio_john which was sad in so many uncomfortable ways.

[@Nikotheleepic]

@@firmak2

[@TheWoWisok]

It is still not creepy. Girl is psychopath who realized she could cause people to die by making bureaucratic 'mistakes' and did it repeatedly because she enjoyed it. 40k creepy would be her eating baby's to gain the power of baby souls or something.

[@7GamesUnlimited7]

@@firmak2 i didn't think it was sad at all. Just karmic justice taking it's course

[@ouroboros5656]

I really wasn’t on board with the twist ending until the last chunk of it. Still feels like a moment where someone with the writing process went “It needs to be darker!”

[@Krannski]

I disagree, simply because by the description of her actions it didn't sound like it was an accident. Sending faulty respirators to troops on a toxic world? That shit's intentional. It wasn't at all surprising that she was, in fact, doing it on purpose. Also, the narrative demanded a darker twist in that exact moment. Whether it be her gloating confession or her being attacked by the watcher, something needed to pump the tension. If you have a moment of respite at the end of a horror story, often it's only there to make the next bad event bite more deeply.

[@heejaz]

Meanwhile, the Watcher, shut it's eyes. It felt extreme warmth from behind, then absolute cold. He spoke, almost monotonous, like machines, yet in human voice, "Good. Onto the next. These are their sins." As the presence past the Watcher, blinding light overcame it. Then, darkness. Only the sound of rain. The Watcher, under it's breath, says, "Praise be upon you, my Emperor..."...because Big E watch the Watcher.

[@Magnusfury24]

What a poetic twist of fate. The interrogator admits his mistakes and accepts what he is, only to be betrayed in that moment, while the administrator who has already accepted what she is, has unmade her fate through her own actions.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

I Wonder if this is a Hommage to „the Watcher in the water“ from LOTR , one of the absolutely horrifing „Nameless things“ that even Sauron was scared of. Basically Lovecraft in Tolkiens World. Older than the gods themself and noone knows Where they come from

[@comradekenobi6908]

@@KINGMANJARO_343 also there's Ungoliant, born from the darkness that surrounded middle earth

[@lordschnitzel7961]

@@KINGMANJARO_343 i personally think that the nameless things are actually older than any Maiar, Valar and even older than Eru Illuvatar. My Theory is that they are the Manifestation of the Void that was before creation.

[@KINGMANJARO_343]

@@lordschnitzel7961 maybe not older some possibly than but definitely not created by Eru.

[@lordschnitzel7961]

@@KINGMANJARO_343 Well i am pretty Sure that at least Ancalagon the Black could kill Ungoliant

[@comradekenobi6908]

@@lordschnitzel7961 I would also think Eru could also kill Ungoliath but he's like the oversized spider that somehow got into his house, and he's too intrigued by it so he let's him stay in his room

[@collinraley7578]

In two weeks time you've become my favorite grimdark KZbinr. You've gotten me back into reading. I got a library card and checked out so many books. Even a Tau one. Thank you sir.

[@jcsteele7012]

Honestly I'm happy to see another passionate Warhammer loremaster on KZbin growing so quickly. Thank your weshammer for the lore and the community for the support so weshammer can keep doing the lore

[@lyndonwilliams6970]

I love your way of telling the story. The music, the narration, the voice work. All phenomenal. It brings me into the warhammer universe like nothing else. Keep it up man these are awesome

[@philparis796]

ngl, the ending gave me a bit of a grim chuckle. Totally deserved and yet, still grimdark as hell. Loved this video, please do more stories like this!!!

[@_NutcasE_]

The real telltale of her guilt waa tgat while the interrigator was a monster, the watcher was willing to let him go, but not her.

[@skorpio4561]

Damn... I just love the story. She reaped the seeds of her own work. What a beautiful but horrifying story.

[@deadheaddave9657]

An abandoned hive city is a terrifying concept

[@Herberberber]

Like an abandoned mall on steroids....ugh

[@johnwright8873]

I honestly love your channel, I saw your shorts and then saw the longer videos. I was subscribed to Majorkill and was starting to get bored of his memey videos. So when I saw you were doing long videos I was excited because I love your voice, and the way you try to go into details, and summarize a story into a quick, perfect package with amazing endings. Especially when the music in the background matches the theme of the video. Thank you for making wonderful lore videos Wes

[@scribbles1424]

The Event Horizon is a Warhammer story even if it's unofficial. Somewhere Doctor Weir stirs, waiting to show people the horrors of a dimension of absolute chaos.

[@Kitkat-986]

I always liked the idea of Event Horizion actually being an unofficial spinoff of the Hellraiser franchise. It almost fits even better than 40k would, especially if you consider Dr.Weir to be a sort of Cenobyte (a sadistic, vaguely demonic entity from a hell-like dimension of the hellraiser franchise.)

[@KingTiger10588]

thank you i forgot the title of that film

[@kontrarien5721]

"We're leavin'!"

[@sygmarvexarion7891]

Yep. Always considered it as such. Like the very first warp travel, gone completely wrong due to having no Geller Field and no Navigator.

[@gino456123789]

What a really cool villain, it's sort of poetic too, essentially it represents guilt and shame.

[@tio_john]

we need komi readind this to tadano.

[@gino456123789]

@@tio_john Oh yeah holding the notecard and shit

[@giacomoromano8842]

"Man, imagine if the Watcher was an envy of Tzeentch that was there just to tell her: " -Bricky, Adeptus Ridiculous.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Possible but its more likely just an unaligned Chaos entity that feeds on Guilt, if it was Tzeenchian than there is an odd lack of magic based madness inducing mutations but Tzeench is a God that likes to troll so not 100% off the table, it could also be Slanesh but thats even more unlikely with the lack of Sensual and Pain overload. P.S for all We Know the Watcher is actually Conrad Curse just trolling people as a Warp Entity

[@willmarsden6921]

My god, I really enjoyed the ending. Oddly, I understood why the girl was doing this, but the just deserts at the end with the starving navy troopers was just 😮 (that emoji was my face)

[@justincohen4823]

So what happens at the end? The other ship is gonna eat her? Why don't they just take all the rations she has? If they got enough for two people for a month. It should be able to last them a couple weeks right? At least more than eating just one lady will last them. Plus they're gonna be executed anyway, why cause more suffering by sustaining your life until you're killed? Sure the woman is a monster, but they don't know that

[@onlyworstgamers696]

Her "praise the imperium for this safety" them "praise the imperium for this food" the watcher "I JUST WANT CRIMINALS TO FACE THERE ACTIONS IM NOT EVIL"

[@Kat1kafka]

Are there any more warhammer audio books like this? The narrative voice acting and sound effects happening in the background are insane

[@weshammer]

Ya there were 2 other spooky ones I know of "a way out" and "predition's flame" "the wicked and the damned is also fantastic. More of a traditional audio book. But very creepy

[@redcrow3605]

"An unlikely pair." I see one of these two can punch boulders for a living.

[@hannes5437]

The Watcher in the rain sounds like something H.P. Lovecraft would come up with or like one of his book titles.

[@lookitsstalking87]

As someone that read books a lot back in the day, I both regret and am happy to have come across this video. I wish I could have read it myself and just be blown away by the plot twist.

[@theshortbus9777]

How poetic. Her undoing was her actions.

[@RealLofiVibes]

I love the fact that the watcher seems to be its own kind of entity. Its not with Chaos or any other faction just a creature from the warp that does its own thing.

[@user-tb7ml8kz7h]

Yes. These constant attempts by her to tell him what to do based on her firm belief that "she knows better, but shouldn't actually tell him anything, or let him decide", is an incredibly convincing part of the horror.

[@c.shannon3914]

I'm pretty new to 40k and I owe it to you and your short videos. I'm fully sold on this beautifully deep world and all the fantastic lore. And I still have to say that you're the best of the lore video producers I've found. Keep up the great work Wes. Thanks

[@Rigatonyi]

I like how he tells these stories. I hope Wes makes more videos like this.

[@TheReaper569]

Can we please have more stories like this? You are the best horror story narrator.

[@TheRealTimeline]

Oh damn, that ending. This was such a good story.

[@yifanjin2714]

love your videos. I have never played Warhammer 40k but love it's world and lore. Your video really help me know more.

[@dannyavarice]

Please try to do more of these in the future. There's so many books about 40k and I genuinely struggle to find a place to start. This was incredible. One of the darkest stories I've ever heard and it was amazing.

[@Rubberbucket0038]

Way to tell a story!! Those photos for the figure are disturbing and you tell the tale flawless with no stutter or repeats, ty Wes!!!

[@thetruecrinkleyjoe4383]

These cosmic horror stories are awesome to say the least. The horrors of the warp are numerous and constant.

[@MLaak86]

How very fitting to illustrate that the galaxy’s inhabitants are what makes it so horrific, everything else is merely a dark mirror

[@TheGangstaAsian]

I love how it just further justifies execution for a mistake made by Gretta, but it is the structure of the imperium and how easily exploited by Chao that drove her into a power craze. Gonna give this book a read! Thanks for sharing !

[@PyramidHACK]

Don't think Chaos had anything to do with this.

[@TheOrangex88]

So Chris Redfield and Little Red Riding Hood team up in a 40K story? Sweet

[@spunkyprep]

The R in macabre is not only silent, but not placed where you enunciated it in the word.

[@michaelhowell2326]

I understand the Imperium can be a harsh mistress but I didn't know survival cannibalism was an executable offense.

[@MickeyMulligan]

Possibly excusable in some circumstances but the imperium is a stickler for regulations and don't often take exceptions lightly. They are a cross between facists of the nazis and stalinisist of the soviet Union. Human life is just another tool, a commodity or resource to the authorities.

[@TheSixthDoctor]

Would probably fall under desecration of the sacred human form. Though they serve corpse-starch/soylens viridians, but hypocrisy is like the Imperium's middle name.

[@MegaGullas]

@@TheSixthDoctor It could be a remnant of some 20k or 30k rule issued by the Emperor, any of the Primarchs, or the High Lords of Terra; to keep isolated voyagers/colonies from succumbing to Prion diseases they could spread to others. (there's enough diseases in the universe from Nurgle already, no need to give him more inspiration) Whereas corpse-starch/soylens viridians is probably processed through methods that remove all chance of prion disease and the multitude of issues cannibalism brings to those who practice it.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@MegaGullas this is likely

[@nouhorni3229]

It's funny how some of our favourite bois can absorb memories by eating people. Maybe big E wanted to discourage other people from unlocking that skill. Seems dangerous.

[@thewallsofdereko]

Horror stories from 40k are amazing 👏

[@emamartinez4489]

Just wow! the whole story but specially the ending is so good, almost poetic in essence with some just enough room for the reader/listener to finish it on its own. Outstanding

[@TwentyOneBunSalute]

I thought it was gonna turn out one of them was the demon on the ship. Like she didn't want to look at it but now it's in front of her cause the investigator was corrupted. Or when she smiled, I thought she was going to ask "do you see me?" Still a good ending tho

[@themachiavellian1021]

this was a great listen on a rainy train trip back home, first time I didn't fall asleep on a train ride. I wish Black Library makes more stories like this.

[@pattleboat3118]

A pure horror story set in this universe, especially from the perspective of relatively normal people, is honestly really effective, and kind of refreshing considering most lore videos on KZbin are about how badass one or the other godlike factions are, and not about what it can be like to deal with this insanity on a realistic level.

[@Brochnick]

Fantastic! Please do more stories like this; no necessarily horror, though that's fun too, just great 40k stories we don't hear as often.

[@samuraix195]

I love how even in the Warhammer universe, people still don't understand names, knowledge and awareness is dangerous.

[@Gremlin23]

Oh some of them do. They know that an open mind is a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded. Blessed is the mind too small for doubt...

[@user-tu2dh5ro7i]

It's the problem with memetics. How the hell do you tell someone not to think/acknowledge Object A, without telling them how to identify Object A? Telling them to shut up and just not acknowledge Object A doesn't help either. Worst case scenario: The poor, poor chaos Ogryns at the start of the Horus Heresy who still think they're serving the imperium because they aren't smart enough to ask

[@samuraix195]

@@user-tu2dh5ro7i talk about what they aren't.

[@PicassosCat]

@@samuraix195 interesting solution

[@bradrankin844]

I’m new to the whole Warhammer community, and I really enjoy your channel and how you explain everything!!! Thank you very much sir!!!

[@orlandoq2937]

This retelling was great I listen to your video on “A way out” first and had to watch this one next. Both were great stories, I love these kind of space horror stories. I’d love to see other 40k horror retellings on this channel!

[@drectanbns266]

This is by far one of the best stories I have ever heard from Warhammer.

[@surtaandume_psykermystyk4010]

Disembodied Foreshadow: 'Willll you ssssee meeeee?' Adeptus Quirky-Not-Like-The-Other-Scribes: 'I see nothing!' Interigatus Tunnel-Vision: 'Reveal... your secrets.' Random Ouija Servo Skull: 'You're all going to die down here.' Mischievous Spooky Voice: 'Enemiessss offf the Hhhheirr, Beware!!' It was at that point the awkward girl realized things just got so much worse than mere Chaos fuckery. She knew that hissing voice seemed familiar. 😆😆😆😆

[@cocaine7371]

Lore on other warp entities which are not part of the big 4 would be nice. It could take place in a isolated part of the galaxy

[@codyinacoma]

I would think Tzeentch would try and recruit the ones he could.

[@johnnyrocket1685]

The only other ones that have been named are Malal the Chaos God of Malice, Anarchy and Terror, who has the most lore out of the rest but it’s not much. Ans’l, Mo’rcck and Phraz-Etar are minor deities of the Warp, but all that’s really known is that Chaos armor across the galaxy is usually adorned with spikes of all shapes and sizes, and this is believed to be a sign of respect to these three minor deities. There are 2 unnamed and almost entirely unknown warp entities that the Imperium simply knows about because people from warring factions believe in them. That’s about it. One is the Warp manifestation of the Tau Empire’s philosophy of the Greater Good given form. However, since the original Tau Xenos responsible for creating the Greater Good philosophy has virtually no understanding of the Warp, this Warp Entity was brought into existence by the conquered and absorbed Xenos, including some humans, that do understand the warp. The literally only thing known about the second unnamed entity is that Chaos Raptors of significant Intelligence show clear signs of worshipping *something.* That’s all that is known.

[@donaldn5798]

@@johnnyrocket1685 so much lore...

[@Barrsie]

@paladin danse It's a warp entity for sure, but it doesn't come across as being powerful enough to be considered a lesser deity. Think how monstrously powerful greater daemons are, and they're only splinters of the Big 4's consciousnesses. It doesn't seem to measure anywhere near one of them.

[@kellmalleus5825]

Check out Slyte. I don't think that it is affiliated with the Big 4, but it is definitely on Greater Daemon levels of nuts.

[@mikesnapper9001]

I listened to the audio book and i can recommed it, it has sound effects and everything, amazing voice acting, great quality overall , engaging story as well. That last plot twist was just such a satisfying ending.

[@screwthenet]

Actual Horror stories in 40k? Subscribed!

[@stefan_wsl3398]

This was amazingly well done, loved it! I work in admin, hearing her madness from the lack of consequences and the inertia of it all hit quite close to home 😂

[@senfood]

This video made me sub to the channel. I had no clue that Warhammer 40K Horror was a thing, let alone a thing done well, until watching this. What makes it such an amazing work of horror is how the genuinely supernatural threat pales in comparison to the existential horrors of the Imperium. It fits perfectly within the context of the 40K universe and has me wanting to see more and you do an amazing job of relating them. Please do more videos on this lore branch. They're great!

[@dragonson04]

I still need to hear your opinion on the canonical return of the Squats.

[@weshammer]

I'm working on a deep dive of them! Normally when I make those, I really prefer to have a couple of novels under my belt, but we unfortunately don't have any of those yet and I don't know when they're going to be coming out with some 😅

[@smoochfa973]

This has to be the best horror story I've ever heard in my life, the voicing, the pace, the thoughts, its beautiful

[@thebarbaryghostsf]

Wow, I just had this come up randomly in a watchlist, but I was not expecting such a riveting story. Even outside of the 40k-verse, this was one of the best short pieces of horror fiction I've read/heard in some time. But the 40k aspects just made it sooooo much more horrifying. Thanks algorithm, for this one. Loved how the actual horror elements were all non-supernatural. No chaos forces, etc. Just primal, human evil, and mostly the results of the broken Imperium and it's hypocritical nature. All of The Watcher stuff could easily be explained as guilt-driven, and well I guess having a warp surge nearby, probably also means the watcher was a physical manifestation they could actually see. I'll have to look up other work by this author.

[@CLCasual]

To be fair it _is_ possible to put into words the sheer horror, it's just that it's taken hundreds of books and tens of thousands of hours of work 😅

[@PicassosCat]

sometimes saying less explains more

[@Zenphoshen]

She got her just deserts. She is the reason the ship that is rescuing her has a food shortage. Her becoming their food is such poetic justice. Its honestly hilarious that she said Praise the God Emperor before becoming food for a crew that belongs to said Imperium. The God Emperor works in mysterious ways hahahahahaha. The way you switched up your voice while you explained each part was perfect. Great Video my dude!

[@sarubet8725]

Edgy

[@brotheralaric7177]

warhammer have such a wonderous fertile soil for horror story , between the diverse aliens sepcies, the horror of the warp , and simply the madness of mankind . and to me this creature was simply the burden of guilt being manifested by the power of the warp storm, emotion and feeling are litteraly multiplied by the warp. Good story, probably will going to check for this category .

[@worldspam5682]

firing laser gun in window is the most big brain move i've ever hear

[@zealmain9493]

Thank you weshammer and to the commenters that recommended listening to this audiobook

[@splatterling4539]

Ahhh amazing, i love these short stories in 40k :D