The Way It Was - Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake LaMotta look back on their rivalry 1/3

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@turkyish
@turkyish 5 жыл бұрын
When le Motta died recently was he buried standing up?
@docschweitz7606
@docschweitz7606 4 жыл бұрын
Great Comment!!! "You never got me Down Ray" no one tougher!
@ltravail
@ltravail 3 жыл бұрын
LOLOLOLOL...That was a GREAT line, dude!!! Had me ROTFLMAO!!!
@anthonyD2365
@anthonyD2365 3 жыл бұрын
Lol Jake would of used that Joke if he could!!! He hears it from above though and smiles!!!! 🙏❤️🙏
@tommarchese3232
@tommarchese3232 2 жыл бұрын
Nice comment
@paxster76
@paxster76 2 жыл бұрын
Gold!🥇
@space8053
@space8053 10 жыл бұрын
The sweet science is hit and don't be hit..... Jake Lamotta said we didn't have science at the school of hard knocks...... One of the toughest fighters with one of the greatest chins the sport has ever seen. No flash. All heart.
@barringtonfisher87
@barringtonfisher87 4 жыл бұрын
@j mula do you know why he always beat her? His superior foot work & hard left hand
@abe2562
@abe2562 3 жыл бұрын
Nah I think he just got tired watch the beginning Jake has decent defense ducking. Crouching. But when he gets hit or tired it goes out the window. He wants to hurt you if you hurt him
@mimmoum3236
@mimmoum3236 6 ай бұрын
Bon chin : james toney, george Chuvalo, tex cobb, david tua, ibeabuchi
@robertmanning6669
@robertmanning6669 9 жыл бұрын
The respect they had for each other was unmarked.
@mspinkytee
@mspinkytee 9 жыл бұрын
Robert Manning He better respect someone who beat your butt.
@xcythgaming2069
@xcythgaming2069 3 жыл бұрын
@@mspinkytee the respect was mutual.
@nomecognome8737
@nomecognome8737 3 жыл бұрын
I mean they fought 6 times
@m.a421
@m.a421 11 ай бұрын
*Unmatched Yes it was
@PeterEhik
@PeterEhik 7 жыл бұрын
Sugar ray had 128+ wins, he must have had 10, 11 fights in a year, The Mayweathers and McGregors of this world barely do 3 fights a year, imagine how great Robinson would look today, he'd be fucking unstoppable.
@nkosistrainbullies5806
@nkosistrainbullies5806 6 жыл бұрын
Peter E alot of these guys wasnt makimg the money so many of those fights was really scumbag type settings. Hence club fighter. And Robinson last like 20 fights were for money like many of the earlier fights. Thats like chavez he had like 100 plus fights but most of those fights were against bumbs.
@rdot5113
@rdot5113 6 жыл бұрын
@@nkosistrainbullies5806 except Sugar Ray was actually fighting championship contenders and hall of famers
@nkosistrainbullies5806
@nkosistrainbullies5806 6 жыл бұрын
@@rdot5113 not all his fight just the more entertaining ones.
@rdot5113
@rdot5113 6 жыл бұрын
@@nkosistrainbullies5806 yea cause he wiped out all welterweight contenders and so he fought lamotta which cost him his first loss. coulda been 132-0 if he was more careful
@jamaaldavis3222
@jamaaldavis3222 5 жыл бұрын
Robinson was and is the pound 4 pound champ nobody comes close and him fighting bums is a lie people need to do the proper help Robinson would clean out the welterweight and the division today easy
@alvalankerofficial
@alvalankerofficial 9 жыл бұрын
Isn't it somewhat hilarious that Sugar Ray wasn't even that much of a passionate boxer, he was more interested in tap dancing, yet he is the greatest P4P fighter of all time lol. Crazy shit.
@andreakevin8685
@andreakevin8685 8 жыл бұрын
+Cryer24597 your mom is debateable
@G3N3S3R
@G3N3S3R 6 жыл бұрын
Alexander the Great Your mom n your sister*, the best of all times, best mechanics, refine style, undefeated "Finito Lopez" bitch, learn some box.
@boothdos
@boothdos 4 жыл бұрын
Ray lost his passion when he killed Doyle in the ring!
@bruhmcchaddeus413
@bruhmcchaddeus413 2 жыл бұрын
..ray lost it when he killed someone in ringg
@Lonelysportofboxing
@Lonelysportofboxing Жыл бұрын
Ray said in an interview that he never enjoyed boxing. He just did it for the money.
@adampowell5481
@adampowell5481 2 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how tough these guys are. What an era
@fmsullivan1978
@fmsullivan1978 12 жыл бұрын
Ray had unbelievable skill. Jake was all heart and balls. Nobody was tougher!!!!!!
@fashizzle78
@fashizzle78 2 жыл бұрын
Rocky vs Apollo in reality
@fabiobonetta5454
@fabiobonetta5454 Жыл бұрын
And chin. The best chin ever
@rickmarx522
@rickmarx522 9 жыл бұрын
Holy shit Robinson must of had 10 to 12 fights a year for 10 yrs to get a boxing record like that.. over 100 pro bouts is amazing.
@kingShadow29
@kingShadow29 9 жыл бұрын
***** and Floyd Claims he is the best ever , What a joker he is....
@gilmer3718
@gilmer3718 9 жыл бұрын
+Rick Marx That's the way they did it back then. I think Willie Pepp fought 241 times, and Sandy Saddler 162 times.
@thomaspatrickparker6648
@thomaspatrickparker6648 8 жыл бұрын
+Rick Marx The man was a machine, a fighting machine
@QMPhilosophe
@QMPhilosophe 8 жыл бұрын
+Rick Marx Best fighter ever.
@wesleyhempoli5548
@wesleyhempoli5548 8 жыл бұрын
yea the old fighters were totally a breed of their own!!! it wasn't unheard of for elite level fighters to have 2 headline fights in 1 week and this was at a time before steroids were available for healing and recovery from fights and training! now days instead of fighting 5 times in 6 weeks it takes 6 weeks just to clean a fighter's system of the steroids he's been taking so he can fight his 1 single fight of the year!! it was an entirely different age of boxing that's lost in time now but will always be remembered through the timeless footage we see here. if you like old fighters with long records you should check out willy pep. he was a featherweight and had close to 300 wins when he retired (most wins ever). unbelievable footwork too... even better than sugar ray :P of course he was 30 lbs lighter though so...
@Xgeneration28
@Xgeneration28 3 жыл бұрын
lamotta is a brawler and might get hit but he was still a very skilled fighter. they don't make fighters like this anymore.
@IceveinsProductions
@IceveinsProductions 8 жыл бұрын
7:44 - Lamotta thinking "Bitch better not burn my steak tonight."
@jjboyd01
@jjboyd01 Жыл бұрын
That was a great fight. I watched replays of every round.
@KillrMillr7
@KillrMillr7 5 жыл бұрын
Sugar Ray set the precedence for modern fighters like Ali and others. Smooth light on his feet and deadly accurate. His dancing skills made all the difference. Lamotta was definitely a raging Bull. I wouldn't want to fight either one of them in their prime.
@jdc9023
@jdc9023 8 жыл бұрын
LaMotta already looked old here and this was about 40 years ago. Guy has longevity.
@frankjobes7238
@frankjobes7238 8 жыл бұрын
Charles Martel ain't no way around it sugar Ray was better than LaMotta but I think LaMotta was better than 98 percent of the other fighters in there weight classes
@999titu
@999titu 5 жыл бұрын
De Nero did deserve an Oscar for playing Jake la matta.
@chrisevans5259
@chrisevans5259 6 жыл бұрын
Sugar Ray Robinson and Jake LaMottas 5 fight rivalry is legendary, their fights were tough, brutal and exhilarating, but the respect the two have for each other out of the ring is so humbling and endearing, so very different from the badmouthing nastiness you get from fighters today, so sad to see. (SRR & J LaMotta(RIP)
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 6 жыл бұрын
Jake Lamotta died last year at the age of 95.Talk about staying power as a fighter!
@ThomasGrizzell
@ThomasGrizzell Жыл бұрын
Old School LaMotta is a True Legend 100 💯💪💯
@winstondurden4427
@winstondurden4427 3 жыл бұрын
This is an amazing time capsule. Super Epic!!
@insanenative445
@insanenative445 5 жыл бұрын
That comeback was insane
@westfalenstadion7325
@westfalenstadion7325 5 жыл бұрын
LEGENDS ...... RIP la motta and Sugar ray. ;)
@Rahim.ali80
@Rahim.ali80 7 жыл бұрын
Sugar Ray is the GOAT he was fighting on a tight schedule next still was out classing these guys making great fighters look like amateur fighters. I'm a huge Floyd fan but to appreciate Floyd skill set ring generalship foot work defense etc etc you have to watch Sugar Ray he had everything Floyd has. Floyd knocked Ricky Hatton out with a left hook going backwards well Sugar Ray did the same to Jake Lamotta, in my opinion Sugar Ray is the greatest of all times he should be number 1 on every body list
@robroberts1473
@robroberts1473 10 жыл бұрын
The amazing thing about this is that there is actually something worth watching on pbs :-)
@rastabg23
@rastabg23 10 жыл бұрын
lol. pbs frontline is actually pretty informative, check it out i think you'd be surprised. They have an entire collection of their series online that they offer for free, on a variety of issues. I watched the series on Iran, Iraq and Libya. Very good insight on those issues and I'm always subjective when I do my research, PBS frontline is legitimate.
@Tommy2shoe811
@Tommy2shoe811 8 жыл бұрын
Pbs Frontline is the best news show on tv by a far margin you should check it out. Their shows on Isis, Iraq, Iran, etc is second to none. In fact foreign news especially in Canada and Britain use their programs on a regular basis bc they're so good. A lot of the footage you see of Isis that wasn't released by themselves was captured by frontline.
@The-Homecook-0000
@The-Homecook-0000 7 жыл бұрын
Surgar Ray and Joe Louis was the best of all time...period...Ali was great..
@hijack4661
@hijack4661 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the upload! I love these rare, early shows.
@HawkAmExpat
@HawkAmExpat 10 жыл бұрын
An incredible rivalry, the likes of which has not been seen since in boxing. No hate here between them, only respect. Sugar Ray Robinson had beaten Jake LaMotta four times before this fight but as Robinson says in this interview, "Jake never ducked anybody." If LaMotta had not cut the razor's edge so tight with his weight--he admits that he lost six pounds in a steam bath the night before the fight in Chicago, in order to make weight--he would have had a much better chance. That said, Robinson knew well how to combat LaMotta's bruising, brawling style. To his credit, in terms of their overall rivalry, LaMotta went down in boxing history as the first fighter to defeat Sugar Ray Robinson and more to the point, the only fighter who defeated Sugar Ray Robinson in his prime. What was very difficult for LaMotta in their last fight, this one in 1951, was that Sugar Ray, like no other fighter before or since, would land that wicked left jab--for my money, Sugar Ray Robinson had the best left jab ever of any fighter-- and then move in the opposite direction (very unorthodox and very effective) and throw uppercuts to the body or straight rights and overhand rights to the head. Robinson, in a word, was devastating. Something people forget about Robinson, because he was so very clever and had excellent footwork, is that he went to the body like few other fighters, he had an incredible inside game. The fact that LaMotta beat him eight years earlier, in his prime, is phenomenal, given Robinson's command of the ring, his toughness, his stamina and his skills. To have a chance at defeating Robinson in 1951, LaMotta would have had to train like Marciano--be at fighting weight 16 weeks before the fight and run 6-9 miles a day, eat pushups for breakfast and heavy bags for lunch. So much respect, between these two champions, in this interview--very heartening.
@ericday4505
@ericday4505 10 жыл бұрын
Great stuff Mr Tucker I think someone should do a documentary on this rivalry, to me it isone of the best in sports, I dont think that it detracts from Jake that he only won the one fight I think it is a tribute to them both, like you said Mr Tucker he beat Ray in his prime.
@solarplexus4
@solarplexus4 8 жыл бұрын
that was seriously brutal. I recently saw that lamotta is 95 years old now.
@petec9686
@petec9686 7 жыл бұрын
Curt Gowdy, one of the greatest play by play voices ever.
@ScarA
@ScarA 11 жыл бұрын
This is amazing, thank you!
@Mr-ep2qi
@Mr-ep2qi 6 жыл бұрын
Oh these are some gems right here
@drwhatnot
@drwhatnot 9 жыл бұрын
When boxers were actually fighters. We will never see warriors like these again. A product of a tougher world. A world with no computers. A world where individual achievement was still recognized as the key to life. Not like today. Hey, Sugar Ray, you didn't beat the Bull on your own. You had help. The government built the roads to the stadium. The farmers raised the cattle that turned into the steaks you ate. The public schools where you learned to read. The workers of the companies who built the ring and made the boxing gloves, they all get equal credit for your victory. You just showed up and moved around the ring for an hour.
@Emeraldisle4ever
@Emeraldisle4ever 10 жыл бұрын
MIKE TUCKER your Comment is very true and I doubt anyone else could make that Comment any more Percise, the last Fight they had something you already touched on is that 'Jake lamotta ' was extremely tired as he had to lose something like 3 Stone in as little as 10 Weeks to make Weight for this Fight. The Great 'Sugar Ray Robinson ' RIP beat him Fairly and Convincingly but 'Lamotta ' was over trained and had little left for the Fight but one thing he neva lacked was Heart and Guts in this Fight as it was Proven because 'Robinson ' RIP couldn't knock him Down but besides 2 Legendary Fighter's from a by gone era in the sport of Boxing.
@jasoncorderoy3998
@jasoncorderoy3998 9 жыл бұрын
Man. These 2 are just great and so tough. I watched the Mayweather Manny fight this weekend. These FIGHTERS would just kill the modern day boxers. You would need to take an iron rod in the ring with you to knock these true champs down. The world used to make them very tough. Not anymore.
@inreimwetrust
@inreimwetrust 11 жыл бұрын
The fact that Jake LaMotta is still alive...and going strong...is his greatest victory.
@nuts45150
@nuts45150 10 жыл бұрын
awesome interview
@roflmows
@roflmows 9 жыл бұрын
is it just me, or does Lamotta look like Bill Murray?
@mrskinszszs
@mrskinszszs 5 жыл бұрын
Robert Loggia in Scarface.
@oscarramirez2697
@oscarramirez2697 5 жыл бұрын
Kinda does
@joemuma3920
@joemuma3920 4 жыл бұрын
Looks more like ligma
@anzalone138
@anzalone138 7 жыл бұрын
Sugar ray was 126 -1 jesus christ!
@MiguelGonzalezP
@MiguelGonzalezP 3 жыл бұрын
He lost his 40 fight against lamotta
@Lonelysportofboxing
@Lonelysportofboxing Жыл бұрын
With like 84 knockouts
@retthok
@retthok 9 жыл бұрын
I was in the clothing business back then; leisure suits as they were called were very popular worn with wild design shirts. This show was aired sometime in the mid 1970's.
@bobtucker8705
@bobtucker8705 8 жыл бұрын
+retthok Yeah, the mid 70s this was on saturday afternoons. It was a great sports show
@bhbluebird
@bhbluebird 10 жыл бұрын
Great post, thanks. Jake is still alive at 90 years old (last time I checked). Amazing after taking all that punishment over the years.
@wayneholmes6460
@wayneholmes6460 6 жыл бұрын
You can tell by the way Jake LaMotta looks and acts in real life he is one hard bastard and not to be messed with. He was a naturally funny and talented man and lived to the ripe old age of 96 and only died last year. Funny how he joked then about having diabetes when Ray Robinson died from it at a young age of 67
@TacticsRamza
@TacticsRamza 7 жыл бұрын
I wish they still did this show or at least ran re-runs.
@boxingmonthly
@boxingmonthly 10 жыл бұрын
the Ray it was
@daniaalali6341
@daniaalali6341 9 жыл бұрын
Lol
@larrylamonts1483
@larrylamonts1483 3 жыл бұрын
Two great fighters, but Rays hair remained undefeated until his death.
@WeAreUnity.
@WeAreUnity. 7 жыл бұрын
Sugar Ray THE LEGEND!!!!!!!
@Davy.J.Y
@Davy.J.Y 11 жыл бұрын
what a great interview..la motto is something else..:)
@The911Shaman
@The911Shaman 13 жыл бұрын
i miss these shows! The 70's!
@johnjohnblazedini6385
@johnjohnblazedini6385 10 жыл бұрын
jake lamotta was a beast but to this day my fighter is and forever will be the greatest fighter of all time and that is suger ray robinson there is no fighter like that man in robinson, that era in boxing was grueling boxers were tough as nails sometimes fighting 5 times in a month boxing is not even close to that these days fighting at the most 2 times a year, plus in them days you fought the best in the world regardless it was about pride and proving your the best in your division take note floyd no spine fakeweather, true champions fought the best to prove they were the best not picking and choosing ill fight this bum or that tomato can thats over the hill i wish boxing was still like, but dont get me wrong there are fighters that dont dip and duck fighters that could possibly beat them but they are far and few, but boxing in terms to the grueling nature some times fighting 5 or 6 times a month back in that era of boxing todays boxing is not even close to them standers just a constant grind and dedication to go through hell and back to try to be champion or stay champion i love boxing to the core but fights are not even close to what fights were back then, this video is 1 out of 3 after its done if you want to see the whole thing it will give you the option to watch the other videos
@daniaalali6341
@daniaalali6341 9 жыл бұрын
How good was he really ???
@bellalouise4542
@bellalouise4542 7 жыл бұрын
Daniaal Ali 200 professional fights good. + 87 amateur record. No losses in amateur career. 108 wins by knockout. Won 170 + of those fights
@bellalouise4542
@bellalouise4542 7 жыл бұрын
Robert, ABID ALI Galligan Jake LaMotta is a warrior by all modern day standards & even old school standards. He will still be champ if he was a fighter of today with the likes of Golovkin, Jacobs & all these middleweight division half heart fighters
@stephensearles673
@stephensearles673 6 жыл бұрын
Bella Louise A trainer once said that with Ray Robinson God had created the perfect fighter
@ACNC1
@ACNC1 10 жыл бұрын
When Americans sounded like Americans
@ymousanon4615
@ymousanon4615 9 жыл бұрын
right. today its either phony bush southern texan drawl even by obama uses at the end of his senternces. b like the middle atlantic speech of tv news anchors and lay people that all sound the same, whether black, white, latino, asian c. hip hop which does not even sound intelligible.
@daniaalali6341
@daniaalali6341 9 жыл бұрын
That is Soo true it sounds very classy the way they spoke them days
@carademojon6302
@carademojon6302 8 жыл бұрын
now u heard burritos and shit
@team3gaming749
@team3gaming749 5 жыл бұрын
Ymous Anon They dont all sound the same. Some people have more of an accent than others. The southern accent has always been around too.
@garyanderson9467
@garyanderson9467 4 жыл бұрын
That sounds like one of the most stupid, ignorant, racist things I have heard in a while. Obviously a fucking Trump supporter.
@brunomaselli4714
@brunomaselli4714 7 ай бұрын
With all the fights he had along with the money he made, at age 45 he was still boxing in small venues vs anybody who dared step in the ring with him. For that reason I saw Sugar Ray fight in my home town in Massachusetts at that time.
@ravimahira2092
@ravimahira2092 4 жыл бұрын
Rip legend
@ScarA
@ScarA 11 жыл бұрын
It's a matter of taste and understanding different styles really. It's very normal to see the majority support and enjoy slugging because there isn't much understanding required, it's only two basic fighters exchanging blows. Slick styles require a proper more advanced understanding of the sport; the positioning involved, leg movement, set ups, smart counters, feints and so on.
@johnforeverfloors5649
@johnforeverfloors5649 6 жыл бұрын
Italian beast....these guys were tough man...nobody...nobody ...had more courage then these guys.
@tomscerbo1588
@tomscerbo1588 3 жыл бұрын
Italian men are powerful dudes, no joke!
@LimitedNewsCorp
@LimitedNewsCorp 12 жыл бұрын
La Motta was fearless,I have to concede that.
@stuartperry8141
@stuartperry8141 Жыл бұрын
Why is it fearless to take blows. La Motta was the bigger man often more than 10 pounds not a lot in real life but a considerable difference in fighting weight.
@CTMMA51
@CTMMA51 11 жыл бұрын
But at the end of the day, it's the fights you're remembered for. Ali had all of what you said, so did leonard, etc. And those guys still had many many many classic fights still remembered to this day. I do agree Boxing isn't all about slugging and wild brawling of course, But......Name one classic fight Floyd's ever had?
@tonyzanowic7442
@tonyzanowic7442 7 ай бұрын
That 15th round KO by LaMotta was incredible
@anonfrank546
@anonfrank546 5 жыл бұрын
I predict this video will make leisure suites a fashion frenzy again .
@nicktheboxer9977
@nicktheboxer9977 2 жыл бұрын
1000th like, RAGING BULL 🙏🏼💯🔥
@toopkarcher4941
@toopkarcher4941 11 жыл бұрын
Gatti, he wasn't the best but he wasn't the worst... 40-9 isn't so bad even though record isn't everything. But honestly, that's what made Gatti special he wouldn't be remembered as much if he wasn't a slugger. And he was every entertaining to watch.
@peglegnoid6139
@peglegnoid6139 5 жыл бұрын
Did they bury Jake Lamotta standing up ?
@ThomasGrizzell
@ThomasGrizzell Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
@tracyplump5487
@tracyplump5487 11 жыл бұрын
SRR and JL was the 160 lb version of Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier.
@alexanderalex8667
@alexanderalex8667 7 жыл бұрын
lamotta as a fraizer robinson as ali
@milkman4eva
@milkman4eva 2 жыл бұрын
Robinson in his fights looks like a cheat code. To look like a modern fighter, decades before the modern era, and go on 2 winning streaks of over 40 fights in one career, shows why he's number 1 all time. Sugar Ray Robinson IS the GOAT
@Lonelysportofboxing
@Lonelysportofboxing Жыл бұрын
I’m stealing your comment! 😂 “Cheat Code”
@ScarA
@ScarA 11 жыл бұрын
No offense but Gatti(RIP) will be remembered as a heavybag. Taking unnecessary punishment when you can avoid it ISN'T what boxing is about. Brainless slugging to entertain drunken overweight losers isn't what boxing is about either. Boxing is about defense, movement and masterful timing. It's about being cunning and smart in the ring.
@fvgc454ss
@fvgc454ss 2 жыл бұрын
Until u run into a guy that comes forward and can blast you out. Pitter patter boxing is the most boring shit on earth and what killed the sport. U gotta have multiple styles. Styles make fights.
@Enzo87325
@Enzo87325 4 жыл бұрын
Would’ve loved to watch a boxing Match with Jake
@getredytagetredy
@getredytagetredy 8 жыл бұрын
Don Dunphy was one of the worse boxing ring blow by blow presenters of all time...And in 1966 He was still calling Muhammad Ali , Cassius Clay...or just Clay...He had no respect at all for black fighters...
@UltimaKombat
@UltimaKombat 4 жыл бұрын
If you don’t think Sugar Ray is the GOAT, you don’t know boxing.
@constantlychangin
@constantlychangin 13 жыл бұрын
would love to be in that crowd... jesus
@tracyplump5487
@tracyplump5487 11 жыл бұрын
Ur right.
@twongray2624
@twongray2624 6 жыл бұрын
did he say 1851?
@MrToband
@MrToband 2 жыл бұрын
back when they were real fighters and warriors, Mayweather ain't a real fighter or warrior, neither is any of these modern fighters, closest we have nowadays is Canelo and Lomachenko, maybe a few more out there I don't know about but Fury, Joshua, Wilder and the like are nothing like these old school warriors.
@jeffreycooper5187
@jeffreycooper5187 4 жыл бұрын
Sugar Ray Leonard is the real “TBE”
@ppuh6tfrz646
@ppuh6tfrz646 3 жыл бұрын
4:39 If you've got three minutes to knock the other guy out why would you decide to coast for two minutes? I don't understand that.
@kendall_knows_best2872
@kendall_knows_best2872 4 жыл бұрын
To bad we all gatta get old
@ScarA
@ScarA 11 жыл бұрын
That's because you haven't been hearing from proper fans, you have been hearing from casuals who have watched recent fights only. Doubt there's anyone out there that would say both Hopkins/Pascal fights were boring or MANY of Mayweather's fights below 140 when he was in his prime. These guys exchanged a lot early in their careers but no one heard of it because these people didn't exist back then.
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 9 жыл бұрын
I think if we could clone a prime Robinson at welterweight and put him the ring with any other welterweight that ever lived Robinson would still be undefeated. No welterweight ever beat Robinson in his over 100 pro fights at welterweight and in nearly100 amateur fights he was also undefeated (85-0 with 69 knockouts including 40 in the first round as an amateur boxer)! He beat many many, many great boxers (as a pro) at welterweight including Gavilan and Zivic and Angott, Lamotta, and Armstrong. Robinson lost once, dropping a close decision while fighting as a welterweight to Lamotta (who fought as a full fledged middleweight outweighing him by 16 pounds - official weigh in Robinson 144 Lamotta 160). Additionally, Robinson beat Lamotta in 5 of 6 of their bouts. (Robinson's competition is possibly the best in boxing history fighting 18 world champions and defeating 10 Hall of Famers including; Sammy Angott, Fritzie Zivic, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Jake LaMotta, Randy Turpin, Rocky Graziano, Bobo Olson, Carmen Basilio, and Gene Fullmer). Watching Robinson fight on film is awe inspiring for boxers, despite the fact that the prime Robinson doesn't even exist on film. Unfortunately, Robinson fighting at his best in his greatest performances doesn't exist on film. To get a glimpse of just how exceptional this boxer was, watch the guy fighting on film particularly up to and including his first middleweight title victory (the 6th fight against Lamotta and the only one of their bouts that exists on film).
@deumevet
@deumevet 9 жыл бұрын
+nycinstyle are u sure there is no prime robinson fights filmed? there are videos of jack johnson here on youtube.
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 9 жыл бұрын
+deumevet Yeah. Absolutely true. Robinson at his best does not exist on film (such as great fights vs. Kid Gavilan). There is various footage of some of his earlier fights (before he won the middleweight title here Robinson - Lamotta 6 - this fight footage shown in this video) that do exist on film, though (I actually have them as I am sure many others do by now). Such as vs. Sammy Angott, Georgie Abrams, Charlie Fusari, and Bobby Dykes. Robinson at welterweight fighting at his best is not on film. His final defense of the welterweight title against Charlie Fusari is the closet you can get. He won the fight 13 rounds to 1 with 1 even on the scorecard (the referee only one to score under the rules in that bout) with Sugar Ray rather obviously seeming to be taking it easy on Fusari throughout the bout and carrying Fusari at the end. Robinson had donated his entire purse (except $1) to cancer research and seemed to be fighting like it was an exhibition not wanting to ko Fusari. The footage against Abrams, Angott, and Dykes (and Lamotta 6) also shows glimpses of why he is called the best pound for pound boxer, ever. Earliest (only highlights exist) of Robinson's pro fights on film: Riccio, Beckett, Angott, Flores, (all before Robinson won the welterweight title). Soon after he beat Tommy Bell for the title, he fought Abrams (a non title bout) which also exists in highlights on film. His title winning bout against Tommy Bell and all other fights Ray fought as a welterweight (except those I mentioned in this post) were not filmed. It also took Robinson 5 years to finally get a chance to fight for a title (the welterweight title was vacant and he fought Tommy Bell to win it), because everybody was afraid to face him when he was a welterweight. In the early to late 1940's I do not think there was one manager in the world with a welterweight that thought he could beat Sugar Ray Robinson. He never lost to a welterweight in over 100 fights. The only guy ever to beat Robinson when Ray was a welterweight was Jake Lamotta in their second of six bouts who outweighed him by 16 pounds! (Official weights at the weigh in Robinson 144, Lamotta 160). Robinson beat Lamotta in all of the other 5 bouts they had.
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 8 жыл бұрын
+18tangles Sands was a real strong, good middleweight who liked to fight inside. He earned decisions over Bobo Olson in non title bouts twice (Olson was at one time middleweight world champion) in relatively close fights in the biggest wins of his career. Robinson beat up Olson all four times they fought handily and even knocked him out (3 times)- in one of those victories Robinson knocked Olson out in 2 rounds to regain the middle weight crown in their third meeting after coming back to boxing for money to help him pay his debt he owed the government after a layoff of years. Sands was a guy who liked to maul opponents and yes you are right (like Lamotta)he may have given Robinson some trouble at middleweight. I certainly do not think he would beat him, though. Besides, I am talking about the welterweight Robinson when citing him as the best boxer (unbeatable) ever. Anyway, I would have liked to have seen the Sands vs. Olson bouts because yes Olson was a good inside fighter and this guy beat him twice while fighting inside with him. Robinson vs Sands is a real good matchup because this fellow Sands would have been trying to stay close to Robinson the entire fight. It likely would have been action filled with Robinson moving at times and unloading combinations to keep Sands off of him.
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 8 жыл бұрын
18tangles Dave Sands? He was a quick puncher but he came at you trying to beat you up by wearing you down. He was an excellent inside fighter, he was not a fancy boxer but used his strength as a mauling inside fighter. He did not dance and move to avoid trading. He came right at Olson whenever he looked to set up his combinations. . You are right, he was fast and strong. He bounced on his feet looking to come in and set you up for the attack similar to the way Pacquiao does. I would say he was an aggressive exceptionally good inside fighter who bounced on his feet giving angles to gain the advantage in launching an attack.
@nycinstyle
@nycinstyle 8 жыл бұрын
Cryer24597 Nope. You are wrong, again. Ali would not have beaten a prime Joe Louis. Ali also would not have beaten POUND FOR POUND a prime Sugar Ray Robinson. No boxer could. Even Ali, himself, said that Robinson was better than him.
@TheDacman88
@TheDacman88 12 жыл бұрын
Rocky Marciano-"Jake Lamotta is the best fighter in the world."
@garyanderson9467
@garyanderson9467 4 жыл бұрын
Rocky was a moron.
@JoeSmith-dl9ok
@JoeSmith-dl9ok 3 жыл бұрын
Man Gary, you just keep proving yourself to be a world class dumbass. Rocky was the only undefeated HW champ in history. Wtf have you ever done?
@rickmarx522
@rickmarx522 9 жыл бұрын
It was 1851? Say what
@vincecastro3323
@vincecastro3323 9 жыл бұрын
majinboo wants ass you are a keyboard gangster...hardcore thug from moms basement lmao
@ranbutch7544
@ranbutch7544 8 жыл бұрын
+Vince Castro i'd put all my money, my house, my car, on rick to lay out this internet wanksta in just one punch.
@robertoday7526
@robertoday7526 8 жыл бұрын
+majinboo wants ass what the fuck your talking about
@wobblertv8083
@wobblertv8083 2 жыл бұрын
"We fought so many times we should have got married"....Jane lamotta on sugar ray Robinson.
@frankle326
@frankle326 3 жыл бұрын
Before there was a Norris, there was a LeMatta.
@mikehunt9884
@mikehunt9884 7 ай бұрын
jake had a pretty good jab actually. Thats not really what he was known for but still.
@j.j.guerrieri5257
@j.j.guerrieri5257 Жыл бұрын
LaMotta looks like Quint from Jaws
@LimitedNewsCorp
@LimitedNewsCorp 13 жыл бұрын
I would put my money on Jake LaMotta to beat Robinson if the fight was in a phone booth, but not in a 20sq feet boxing ring.
@jamestodd1104
@jamestodd1104 6 жыл бұрын
LimitedNewsCorp on the street Jake couldn’t be beaten.
@trevormiskelly4304
@trevormiskelly4304 4 жыл бұрын
Did he say ,,it was 1851,,???
@toopkarcher4941
@toopkarcher4941 11 жыл бұрын
Nah... They didn't really hate it other like Ali and Frazier did and the fights weren't as close Robinson was an overall better fighter.
@jamestodd1104
@jamestodd1104 6 жыл бұрын
Toopkarcher what? Every fight bar the 6th was close and I could make a good case for jake winning the 1st 3rd 4th. Only the 6 wasn’t close. Casual.
@ltravail
@ltravail 3 жыл бұрын
Boxing went downhill fast after they changed the number of rounds for a championship fight from 15 to 12. Rounds 13, 14, and 15 were known as the "championship rounds" for a reason. Those were typically the decisive rounds in a championship fight, where it was a test to see who really wanted to win the fight the most, who had the biggest heart. Now, with the 12-round limit, most fights end in a decision, and those decisions are usually ambiguous, resulting in unsatisfactory outcomes, from a fan's point of view. If they want to make boxing great again they need to go back to 15-round championship fights.
@dcasey77
@dcasey77 13 жыл бұрын
I like Dunphy as a commentator but the way he reels off the stats makes him sound like a robot.
@Chris2O09
@Chris2O09 14 жыл бұрын
@bigboss25262 Not in their first 2 fights.
@andrealdridge4130
@andrealdridge4130 Жыл бұрын
Vinnie Paz looks like him! Wow!
@Lonelysportofboxing
@Lonelysportofboxing Жыл бұрын
St. Valentines Day massacre fight was a beating no man should ever take.
@hugocampos5536
@hugocampos5536 3 жыл бұрын
The guy on the left looks like Ted Danson
@Ariamaluum
@Ariamaluum 10 жыл бұрын
Jake would have beaten Ray but for the fact that he got cut and Ray was the only who took advantage of it.
@sytelwilbarn5190
@sytelwilbarn5190 10 жыл бұрын
shame on you ray had already beat him 4/5 times. so how could you just be so sure the cut was the reason...
@Ariamaluum
@Ariamaluum 10 жыл бұрын
Ali copied his style of jabbing him in the eye so Jake can't see the punches and moving around. If you are close, Jake will get you and he tagged Ray pretty good but Ray got his eye with those moving jabs of accumulation. By the later rounds, Jake couldn't see. True with Carmen Basillio. One of Ray's victories over Jake was considered a draw and a win by many ring insiders. Still a 3 to 2 victory over Jake. He couldn't handle speed demons like Ray.
@sytelwilbarn5190
@sytelwilbarn5190 10 жыл бұрын
Ain't boxing chest not checkered right bro? Ray had to get thru a lot of punishment in all those fights...So nothing was given to him, his strategies worked... allot of fighters wouldn't have been around in those later rounds to do what he did, do he must be given FULL CREDIT for the victory bro
@Ariamaluum
@Ariamaluum 10 жыл бұрын
I admire Ray's patience and toughness. Lot of the guys tried to knock those small aggressive guys like Jake. Most people said it couldn't be done from the opening bell to later rounds. Most strategy was to knock the guy out first then stick and move if you are ahead on pounts. Not Ray. Jab, Jab till you found the opening. Ray had him hurt in the 11th but Instead of going for the kill, he made it a marathon race so by the 13th, Jake couldn't see or hit.
@sytelwilbarn5190
@sytelwilbarn5190 10 жыл бұрын
ray was a professional, about howhe did his job....i would love to see a lot of those fights at welterweight that we will never see....
@DynomiteDerek
@DynomiteDerek 13 жыл бұрын
@123calisshit123 Was that fight on record tho cuz if not than officially hes never bin knocked down, and i saw that fight between robinson and lamotta the knock down happened in the 8th round and ya he was saved by the bell but that was the rules back then he still went on to fight 2 more rounds and did great, and every time a fighter gets rocked like that he better get checked
@fashizzle78
@fashizzle78 2 жыл бұрын
Styles make fights LaMotta the. "Raging Bull" Robinson was like the Matodor
@nomecognome8737
@nomecognome8737 3 жыл бұрын
You know they had their third fight *20 days* after the second one(the only won Jake won), I repeat, *20 days after* And before that they both had fights the previous month (January) And we ain't talkin about fuckin' first round ko followed by rematches, we're talking about a fight that went the distance, a massacre, and after all of that they did it again just 20 days later
@AlUY-j7w
@AlUY-j7w 6 жыл бұрын
9:49 reason why mayweather will never be the greatest
@Cherokee2A.
@Cherokee2A. 11 жыл бұрын
WOW
@mikehunt9884
@mikehunt9884 7 ай бұрын
host looks like he's dressed to go on a safari..
@Robstailey
@Robstailey 13 жыл бұрын
@123calisshit123 lamotta never knocked out robinson, he beat him once out of 6 fights on a decision. robinson did however knock out lamotta in their last fight.
@jamestodd1104
@jamestodd1104 6 жыл бұрын
Robstailey he didn’t knock him out. The referee stepped in. TKO.
@clydekimsey7503
@clydekimsey7503 8 ай бұрын
1851, he said?😅
@OgDj2024
@OgDj2024 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏾
@jameswalsh3976
@jameswalsh3976 Жыл бұрын
What rivalry Robinson kicked his ass ,beat him like a 🐶... 😂
@MrToband
@MrToband 4 жыл бұрын
If only Jake's arms were a little longer
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