The Way of White's Reforms, Pontiff Sulyvahn, and the Age of the Deep Sea.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Hey, thanks for watching! If you have any questions, please post them in the comment section! I will be reading and answering them! I'll be using this pinned comment to complement the video with further information. -The Outrider Knights were employed by Sulyvahn to serve as gatekeepers to the journey of those who aim to link the fire. Their role is similar to the Demons of DS1, who were employed to halt the undead prophecy. -Both Prince Lothric and the Evangelists of Sulyvahn's reformed Way of White refer to Fire-linking as a "curse". In the case of the Evangelists, they also reffer to Gwyndolin as a bastard, who is to blame for this "curse." -Under Sulyvahn's reformed Way of White, the practice of undead hunting and the mass imprisonment of undead were revived as a means to bring forth a new Age of Fire.

[@melonhead.]

Hold on, wasn't the undead prophecy created to undo the curse of Gwyn? Why would the demons of Izalith try to interfere with it? I'm generally lost on why the demons would actively prevent the undead from leaving the Asylum. One of them is straight up carrying the key to the gates, so i'm assuming they are not merely stray demons and are actually sent there on purpose.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

​@@melonhead. The undead prophecy was created to combat Gwyn's curse, yes. But despite Izalith's rivalry with Gwyn's empire, they too are enemies of the Firelink Conspiracy. Of course, the Witch herself is one of the targets of the chosen undead. Not only the Asylum Demon, but the Gargoyles, the Taurus Demon, Capra Demon and etc. were instructed to stop the chosen undead. The reason for this is quite difficult to conclusively explain, but it could be due to the Chaos Flame's in-universe mechanics. We see that it too has faded by DS3's time.

[@sweetpotatodato6068]

Was starting to get worried we wouldn’t hear from you again for several years. Thanks for making my day! Been excited to hear more of your theories.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thank you so much! I know I've said this before but I'll try to upload more regularly. Lol :´)

[@bazookaace]

Your videos are helping me to understand how little I understood dark souls.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

I hope you've enjoyed it!

[@bazookaace]

@thefirelinkconspiracy3810 more than you know my dearest fellow. I don't watch TV so this is my NFL.

[@bongofgreed4302]

The age of the deep sea has always beeb a point of ds3 lore wanted to understand but didn't, but your theory makes a lot of sense love the video!

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

I'm glad my video cleared it out for you! Thanks!

[@DonutSwordsman]

In dark souls 1, in the gargoyle church, there are statues with candles on their heads just like ds3. Also, the different houses of lothric statues are on the catherdral in ds2 where you fight ornstein, despite being difficult to see

[@pedromacedo6135]

Wish this were an hour long.... or 2... or 10...

[@DonutSwordsman]

Beyond hype thank you so much

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thank you! I'm glad you enjoy these!

[@r_a_d_i_o_]

This just made my day 10 times better. Cheers

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

You made my day better as well! Thank you so much!

[@GoldenMarionette]

It was mind blowing to hear that Gravelord Nito is also All Father Lloyd. Seems like an obvious connection after said out loud but then again that's how it be all the time xd so does this mean the human image lloyd has on is fake or is that an appearance nito has had at some point before he died? And the appearance I'm referring to is the one on the Gold Coin, although it's hard to make out what is even on the gold coin but I'm pretty sure it's a human appearance of all father Lloyd. And what exactly was nito trying to gain from all this with his position as allfatger lloyd/gravelord?

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

I think the gold coin is just a red herring, yes. Not his "human appearence", just an illustration of a faceless "god". What Nito had to gain was the proliferation of death; it seems to be one of his goals, and it aligns perfectly with Gwyn's agenda of spreading the curse. If I were to speculate on another possible goal of his with this partnership it'd be that he gets new servants and sacrifices from the Way of White's ranks, such as Leeroy, and innocent groups of clerics and maidens that journey through the catacombs. As in, they get sent on a mission designed to fail and become victims of Nito. That happens to those who become undead, as a means to get them out of the 'world of men' inside the walls to prevent the spread of the curse. This will be mentioned on my next video, most likely. Thanks for watching!

[@GoldenMarionette]

​​@@thefirelinkconspiracy ah I see. I feel it's not as simple as just wanting more death, that's the surface reason but maybe he's wanting a lot of death for something? There is the mystery of the empty coffin next to him which is potentially nito's wife, the mystery of why his miracle spells has a screaming woman and also why he uses his rite of kindling power to burn the dark away from humans. Also I think Priscilla is nitos daughter? I heard a theory somewhere where she might be his daughter which would explain why there's the wheel skeletons in the painted world as if they're guarding her, or maybe the lords just used nitos skeletons to guard anyone from trying to break Priscilla out from the underworld. Basically nito is what I would think the most vague character since there's a lot of things that have to do with him like gwyndolins seance ring and pinwheel. For pinwheel I know he's someone fused with his family and the connection made of the statues of the women with spikes coming out of her stomach us pinwheels wife being born with a poisoned child, although it seems odd that there's a lot of statues around the catacombs like why would they be made in the first place unless it's maybe to mock pinwheel? I also find it odd how pinwheel is the only boss/character that have individual masks. Maybe it's just a way for pinwheel to retain his sanity of individuality since they're fused all together but maybe it's a form of mockery or something else I or others haven't thought of. I also forgot if there was a reason why nito has a cape of humanity on his back. BUT I'd love to discuss details further with you if you'd like :)) I'm not too big on ds2 or 3 lore but dark souls 1 lore is one that I want to know all the details of and then make a video on it to post on my other channel for fun Of course! I love every video you've made :)

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

@@GoldenMarionette Nito wanting death to spread probably has to do with his necromancy. He wants to expand his influence and power like all of the other 'lords'. His humanity cape is indicative of his alchemical nature. This would be difficult to explain, but the creatures of Dark Souls follow certain design patterns that reflect their biology. Priscilla is definitely not Nito's daughter. She is a homunculus created by Seath; a failed attempt to produce Gwyndolin who was sealed away in the painting world. I'll explain this on my next video :) Thanks for these comments, I always enjoy speaking about Dark Souls!

[@GoldenMarionette]

@@thefirelinkconspiracy I see, but for the witch of izalith I think she just wants a home for her people rather than spreading I fluence and having power? For four kings I'm not really sure what's up with them other than being 4 random dudes dubbed king and then overtime was influenced by kathee and the abyss but I doubt they want power and influence since they don't do anything. Ah, idk if this is alchemical nature related but on my own I've thought of the powers our character has which I believe our character is generally corresponding with RGB. Red being fire, blue being mind/soul, and Green being nature, and all those colors together creating light which is used as the illusion spells. I don't know if there's any god or goddess that could be known as god of nature but if there isn't then I'd assume there's a separate unique flame/essence that's known as nature which appears green. That would explain why our character drops green essence upon dying, however I could be wrong about that. Some evidence I have to support that is the moonlight butterfly which I believe is a creation to be pure nature. It recovers when eating plants which is nature, and it only shoots green spells which green can only be associated with nature. However, weirdly, the moon in anor Londo upon "killing" gwynevere is green. I know in mythology there's a goddess named gaia who's the goddess of nature and is associated with the moon. Idk how it relates to dark souls as it's odd the moon is green in ds1 but then blue in ds3 I enjoy talking about it too! :)

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

@@GoldenMarionette No, Izalith even engaged in a cold war or sorts with Anor Londo. The reason for the Bed of Chaos' deliberate creation was for Izalith to gain more power, and it worked, as the demons - most of them are sculpted statues brought to life to serve Izalith - proved to be very powerful. The Four Kings are quite mysterious and there is little information about them. I might talk about them in a later video. But I'm not sure I understand your interpretation of what I said. Your "RGB" theory is not correct, but there seems to be four base elements complementary to each other that can more or less describe the maquinations of magic and natural phenomena. Fire (and light) and Dark (and water). Human dregs, for example, are damp chunks of dark. Humanities are darkened chunks of soul (light/fire). This is way too speculative and just intuitive observations that can mostly be made by analyzing Dark Souls' art direction/designs with the lens of color theory, though. The Moonlight Butterfly is a creation of Seath. It shares Gwyndolin's theme for a reason. It was likely part of an experiment intended to recreate the ancient dragons.

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[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

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[@havocbringer2100]

Nice surprise. Keep it up!

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thanks! I hope you enjoyed it!

[@core-nix1885]

I agree with 85+% of this, but I'd add that Sulyvahn is from Lindelt (Ariandel is a Lindelt Replica Painting), the Blue Sentinels are Lindelt's interpretation of Blades of the Darkmoon, just as Emma and Shrine Handmaiden are Lindelt Firekeepers. Caitha is the Lindelt interpretation of Velka. The candle-men are a reference to the secret Caitha statue in the DS2 Undead Crypt. (Also, channeler and chandler (candlemaker) are pseudo-homophones)

[@ONobreBabuino]

wha ariandel is a restored ariamis bro, suly is from there lindelt and its archdragon temple are implied to be at the east of drangleic, both being in the setting which is said to be in the FAR NORTH of the world of man along with this, blue sentinels are from heide, and the dragonblood knights, aka lindelt's founders, brought themselves salvan relics to their country, and said country became lindelt. the clan that founded salva underground is implied to originate from heide, and the dragonblood knights' use of nera's shield also tell us that the blue guardians already existed, since targray uses the holy tree great shield too, a shield which depicts the tree nera

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Hey, thanks for commenting! To be honest, I didn't delve into the smaller details for this video. However I'm not sure if there's enough evidence to conclude that the Blue Sentinels are specifically a Lindelt interpretation of the ancient accord; if they had wanted to single out that location they'd have namedropped it. The Blue Sentinels is more likely a simplified/foreign interpretation of it unspecifically. I'd say the same is true for Caitha and etc. Feel free to point out if I missed anything. DS2 laid the foundation for the cultural developments we see in full form by DS3, so it is always good to see its lore contributions mentioned. Thanks again!

[@ONobreBabuino]

​​@@thefirelinkconspiracy i like lokey's analyses which he did for heide, lindelt, irithyll, the church of the deep, caitha, carim and the pus of man, they cover lots of stuff the old concord is implied to be something that lothrics church, which follows the way of blue, did the concord once irithyll drifted to the region where the country was at, while the blue sentinels pretty much act like a third party/intermediary and a propaganda arm of chief god gwyndolin thanks to them taking up such WoB and Blades of Darkmoon concord along with this, anastacia in the intro isnt placing the darksign/dark ring on that undead, the seal has been engraved on man since long ago, the gods being those who engraved it on the pygmies, the earliest humans, before they spreaded to the world of man

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

@@ONobreBabuino The darksign is definitely not something that was engraved "by the gods" "on the pygmies, the earliest of humans". The curse was designed by Gwyn and produced by Seath and spread by Nito (and the maidens of the Way of White) with the specific intent of extracting fire from men to fuel the sun to prolong the age of fire. There are no "gods", as in, metaphysical/purely magical beings who transcend humanity, Gwyn and his allies are descendants of the original "pygmies" like everyone else. They just happened to either find huge chunks of fire ("lord souls") and/or win a war and get a hold of more power, aka, more "souls (and I guess you could say humanities)" and resources (such as dragon remains to make "godly weapons"). I'd recommend you watch the previous video I made, and if you're really interested, the second one of my old series with the blue thumbnails. I lay out with more concrete evidence and solid explanations why that is the case. I'm glad to have this lore discussion though! If you want to keep going just ask anything and I'll do my best to answer it. :)

[@ONobreBabuino]

@@thefirelinkconspiracy ay bro! we can keep going sure so, i agree that there are no gods that are like divine omniscient beings like God in Christian Theology for example in ds, and that the gods are no less divine than other races, but there are some issues with some stuff there first, I think it would be nice to show that EVERY biological being infact originates from the archdragons of the Old Age. As we see in Ash Lake's horned giant skull, along with a giant skeleton in the tomb of the giants bearing a small tale and a dragon-like face, we can draw an evolutionary line on the main races that we encounter, that being: archdragons -> horned giants (oni as mentioned in ds3 and shown in ds1) -> giants -> medials (the name lokey uses to call the race of the gods, cuz they are inbetween most times a giant and a human) -> pygmies/humans that makes sense because the archdragons are the first beings ever to receive souls granted by fire's disparity because they predate such phenomenon, and so, the dragons live and die, and as we see, they have descendants, they reproduced, and with that, other species came to be born due to environment adaptation as we see with for example the mentioned wyrms that dragonriders rode in ds2, dragons which are called "land dragons", they who walk only on land and thus are unable to fly. we also have the wyverns, which are descendants of archdragons that lost their 2 front limbs. then we have snakes, which are considered imperfect dragons due to lack of feet and wings. Along with that, in the JPN script, the gods are called constantly as "persons of fire", whilst humanity is called "persons of dark", and along with that, if Gwyn and his clan truly was human/pygmy, why dont they manifest the darksign like man? And why would they engrave a mark upon themselves if they not have a dark soul in them? meaning, all biological life comes in reality from the archdragons, not the "original pygmies" now, for the next point, the undead curse wasnt "designed", it was more of a "accidental byproduct" of the darksign's creation. We know that the gods of anor londo engraved the darksign early on man, and as we see with both manus, the darklurker, and the ringed knights, they engraved it on the pygmies. and this happened BEFORE the dragon hunts, meaning, before the white dragon seath's betrayal, also meaning, it is impossible for gwyn to have collaborated with seath during that time. JPN description of ringed knight sword: "Black straight sword that Ringed Knights possess. The weapons of ancient man are forged with the Abyss and slightly tinged with life. And for that reason, it is said that the gods applied a seal of fire (Darksign) to it like their owners." JPN description of the Dragonhead shield: "Decapitated head of a descendant of archdragons that was made a shield as is. The rock-like thing is certainly hard. Once, the Ringed Knights responded to the gods’ request and took part in the dragon hunts. But that was never lauded" The fact that they were already known as "Ringed Knights" in the dragon hunts already tells us that the darksign was already placed on man. But then, the question arises, what is the function of the darksign? First, we got to know how Light and Dark work in DS. As we know, Light is time as we see with the repair spell for example, which reverses a weapon's time, thus enabling its restoration. likewise, many of the miracles of anor londo rely upon the sun's light (light of First Flame), and with such light, we use it to recover our HP. Thus, its safe to conclude that we are reversing the time of our injuries with those miracles, and in consequence, undoing any damage done to us. Likewise, the Dark in DS is the equivalent of space. As we see in the Dark Hand, we use the Dark Soul's power to manipulate space to conjure up a shield. Along with this, we also have confirmation of such aspect of the Dark via the Repel and Twisted Barricade, both dark arts being able to distort local space, thus showing the Dark's domain over space. Now, what does this have got to do with the Darksign and man? Consider what the Darksign is, it is a ring/SEAL of fire, and yet it possesses the Dark in its name, and since its also referred as a seal, the Darksign is meant to seal something, and as made clear many times in the JPN script of Ds1, 2 and 3, the Darksign was made to shut away the Dark in man, the Dark Soul within all mankind, and thus making humanity rely upon a false self/soul to develop memories and other basic functions on, those false selves being the many white souls that we encounter on dead bodies. And the Darksign is only one "shackle of the gods", for we see another in the moundmakers covenant icon. But why was the Dark Soul so dangerous for the gods? Despite the Dark in man being sealed, we can still make use of Dark magic, and there are witches and Dark practitioners in the world of man as well, so why? First, lets look at our "human" form. Our human form is not unique to man, it is shared by the gods as well, and we encounter a few of those same physical traits on the giants as well, and there is indeed something odd about the timespan of man. The gods and giants, along with even animals like sif and alvina are able to live infinitely longer than humans. Humans on the other hand are burdened by a short life-span. Why is that? Consider the appearance of the pygmy of shadows we see in the cinematic and in the Ringed Capital statue, scrawny, hairless, and emaciated. Although that could just be malnutrition, their form resembles that of a Hollow. Likewise, if the Dark soul (a soul which bears an extreme affinity to the Dark side of Disparity) is supposed to be the true form of man, then shouldn't its corresponding form be the true form of man as well? And aren't undead, hollow or otherwise, ageless immortals? In short, due to man bearing the Dark Soul, a soul which bears no light/time in them, they gain solely the space aspect of the Dark, meaning, they were superior to life itself. The gods were persons of fire, their time was about to come, but humanity on the other hand, they will outlast them all. Consider the benefits of eternity. In our world, limited lifespan is a fundamental part of the human condition. Life is a constant struggle with reality, and time is a reality that inevitably limits our potential. To have infinite time would give a people a huge advantage over the competition. And *that* was what gwyn feared regarding mankind, this eternity and true nature of man as vendrick, karla and aldia point out in their JPN dialogues, were in consequence a threat to his dominance: Vendrick: "Eventually fire will cease and Dark will become a curse. Man will be released from death and acquire eternity. Per the form of the Dark we had once come to possess. The story of falsehoods will end…" Aldia: "The one who once became the King of Light shut away the Dark of the name “man”… And so man acquired a transient form. That is undoubtedly the beginning of this world’s logic, and all of man exists within a false life." Karla: "…Heh, you damnable miscreant. But, oh well. Man is Dark, and it’s the same even for you. (...)" In order to deal with this threat, Gwyn placed upon man a most terrible curse, time. By using fire's power to limit man's power and thus its time via the darksign, humans would not only struggle to barely become self-sufficient and reproduce, but they also would be easier to manipulate as we see with institutions like the way of white and their constant propaganda of rooting out the dark from the world, all because of gwyn's fear of the eternity of dark. Now, as to how the undead curse came to be an "accident". Consider the fading of the First Flame, if fire fades, the fire of the Darksign will also fade, and thus, the Dark Soul within man will be liberated, and since that soul had no opportunity to grow beyond its greedy nature (greed and dark always tied together in JPN script), the Dark will act upon its primal nature, to consume, hence why Hollows are also called "soul-starved". The undead curse wasn't designed, its something the gods brought upon themselves and something they cant rid themselves of, because if they did, they would be unshackling human potential, thus making all the years of brainwashing and making man despise their own Dark go to waste. The only option left was for the gods to coexist with this so-called curse. The pygmies were but one more culture crushed by the gods, and both suffer trying to resist the natural logic of the world, for the Age of Dark to come. If u want to talk more, hit me up on discord! mename there is "rafabalbi"/"RafaelBalbinus" :)

[@NOVAROMA753BC]

Keep it up.

[@soulstarved4116]

1:05 Lloyd was just a cover-up name for Nito? Is that speculation, or is there a source for that?

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

I talk about this on my other videos, if you're interested I recommend checking them out!

[@pedro_mab]

I disagree with Sulyvahn being the Scholar. It's heavily implied (by the use of the word "scholar") that it was actually Aldia. We know for a fact that he doubted the linking of the fire. Sullyvahn was more interested in Irithyll and the Profaned Capital, and afaik there's no evidence of anything more than a diplomatic connection with the Lothric kingdom. I don't think Sulyvahn cared about the cycle and the linking of the fire as much as he cared about power and manipulation.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Hey, thanks for commenting! Sulyvahn is definitely the scholar that influenced Lothric to abandon his vows. As laid out in this video, we can clearly picture his journey from the painting to the then young kingdom of Lothric; his admission as the first Scholar, and his conspiracy against Gwyndolin's rule. The statue of Lothric with the Profaned Greatsword is just one direct proof of that. He along with Aldrich are the ones responsible for the reform of the Way of White, which aims to restore the Age of Fire. Both him and Aldrich doubted the linking of the fire - Aldrich is said to have been disillusioned with his throne as Lord of Cinder. His Greatsword of Judgement makes it clear that his ambition is one of 'justice' and 'punishment'. Aldia is a fascinating character, and I will talk about him in the future, however there is absolutely no evidence that he is the scholar mentioned in Soul Stream's description.

[@goshingbot01]

@@thefirelinkconspiracy This doesnt make sense How can Sulyvahn become the first scholar of the Lothric archives (literally at the age of the foundation of the kingdom and that remained in power up until the fall of Oceiros) and at the same time become the Pope of the Way of White and before a high ranking member of the clergy of Irithyll.... a high priest of a kingdom was also the head of the sorcerers of another kingdom? In addition Sulyvahn reached Irithyll only after Gwyndolin already built it and he was a young sorcerer... so it's impossible he was also the head sorcerer of Lothric because the timeline doesnt make sense, was he a young sorcerer coming from the painted world then entered Irithyll then left it to reach Lothric in its formation and become the head of the Archives and then go back to Irithyll to ascend its priesthood? "Both him and Aldrich doubted the linking of the fire " ? No? like were it is said that Sulyvahn ever doubted the firelinking system like the description of the Soul Stream tells? Sulyvahn was the head of a system that depended on the Age of Fire continuing as his power base was the White Church.... why would he even want to destroy everything that gives him power? To spend the rest of his life serving Aldrich? (Completely not in character for Sulyvahn)

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

@@goshingbot01 Sulyvahn reached Lothric when it was a young kingdom. He became the first scholar as he presented himself as a prodigous sorcery, which he was. He was also an advisor of sorts to Prince Lothric, which is why the statue of him with the Profaned Greatsword exists, further connecting the two. Sulyvahn coup'd Gwyndolin and proclaimed himself Pontiff; he reformed the Way of White to restore its previous role as a religion that enacts Gwyn's will; he and Aldrich aim to bring forth a new Age of Fiire, which is why they rejected Fire-linking. That's also why they've revived the practice of undead hunting, and of mass imprisoning undead to allow the curse to drain their souls. As the Pontiff, Sulyvahn claimed Gwyndolin to be a bastard, which is why the Evangelists say they'll "clease the bastard's curse." Prince Lothric uses this same therminology to reffer to Fire-linking; "...the Fire-linking curse, let it all fade into nothing."

[@goshingbot01]

@@thefirelinkconspiracy but that cant be... Because it would create a political issue for both Kingdom You would have Sulyvahn being the head of the sorcerers of Lothric and a high priest of Irythill at the same time Even Gwynevere had to leave behind Irithyll to become the Queen of Lothric, even her couldnt keep both roles at the same time And i would say that the Reform of the Way of White happened under Gwyndolin because he was the one that cast out Lloyd when he came out as the male heir of Gwyn and took back the role of King of Gods

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

@@goshingbot01 It would create a political issue, but that's what we see happen in DS3; Sulyvahn sent his Outrider Knights to stand as gatekeepers of the path to Fire-linking, and Lothric has rejected his role as Lord of Cinder and locked himself in his room. This is why the bell tolled, and why the ashen ones were summoned to intervene :) Sulyvahn was not the head of sorcerers and Pontiff at the same time; he was the first scholar, and after having acquired influence and the role of advisor to the prince he coup'd Gwyndolin with Aldrich and declared himself the Pontiff. The reform of the Way of White under Gwyndolin happened in order to account for the Firelink Conspiracy. Before, the Way of White was a tool for Gwyn to spread the curse and prolong the Age of Fire; after Gwyndolin's coup, it became a tool for undoing Gwyn's deed and bring forth the night. Which is why Sulyvahn reverted it back to its old ways when he coup'd Gwyndolin. reviving the practice of undead hunting and mass imprisonments and etc. I hope this clarifies things a bit!

[@Solibrae]

I might be wrong, but I think that when "Pontiff Sulyvahn" was going to be the final boss, his character model was instead being used for a different character called "Old King of the Eclipse", so I don't think the cut content helps your argument in this situation. Still quite interesting otherwise though!

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Yes, you're correct! However I don't think that contradicts the argument at all, as the name does not carry only one connotation. For example, it could reffer to him being the "king" who rules under the eclipse/who stands at the eclipse. After all, we'd fight him under the Eclipse; we'd "trigger" the eclipse and fight him. When we fight Gwyn, his title is "Lord of Cinder". Which stands in contrast his original role as Lord of Light.

[@Solibrae]

​@@thefirelinkconspiracy Fair I suppose, it's cut content so it's impossible to know exactly what they intended. Personally I like the idea that the "Old King" was going to be a Griffith-esque transformed version of Lothric holding both his and Lorian's sword, which is there is some evidence to support. He would be fought in an exact recreation of DkS1's Kiln of the First Flame. "Abyss1ne" has a good video about it called "Back To The Alpha - Network Stress Test - Firelink + Lore"

[@genarovargas5661]

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[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Yes I am! Sorry for the wait, I have been busy and had no internet access on my PC for over a month. I hope you'll enjoy the video!

[@genarovargas5661]

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[@kurenian]

I heavily disagree with the idea that the way of white is solely responsible for the undead curse. In fact, we never really get a clear answer. Eyes of death don’t cause undeath, they spread red phantoms. How can “corrupted souls” spread a curse of undeath through bonfires? Where is the evidence? The fire keepers are actually more so affiliated with dark/humanity than the undead curse, as we see from the fire keeper soul.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thanks for commenting! Now, as for your questions: By "bonfires" I don't mean the coiled-sword bonfires we as the player interact with. I mean piles of burning bodies, such as the one shown on screen. Environmental storytelling hints at the undead hunts leading to mass burnings at residential areas, such as the undead burg, which became severely afflicted with the curse. The curse spreads through contaminated souls being absorbed by men. That is the point of Orbeck's questline, as explained in vast detail on one of my previous videos. Vinheim hired undesirables to serve as assassins with the intention of discarding them once they infected themselves with the curse by killing their targets. But that is just one example. The firekeepers, as in, the ones who assist undead who follow the prophecy, are part of a reformed Way of White, lead by Gwyndolin as the "chief god" of Anor Londo. Anastacia, for example, was one of the original maidens of the Way of White, who was tasked with producing undead - which is why she was punished.

[@ClaymoreLinx]

What actual evidence is there that Nito is Llyod? There is evidence that Llyod lived beyond the events of DkS, as a counter, for example.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thank you for commenting! Are you by chance reffering to the mentions of Lloyd in DS3 item descriptions? Oh, and if you're interested in more detailed explanations, I talk about Nito and the Way of White in three different videos; "Lore mysteries hiding in plain sight", "Firelink Conspiracy", and the "Accursed" one with the blue thumbnail. And I'll probably end up talking about this even more for a new video on DS2 as well.

[@AeneasReborn]

Reject Lden ring, return to darsoul

[@ReturnoftheLightning]

All wrong, look, the problem with Dark Souls lore is that all of you lore theorists try to go through nonsensical threads in an attempt to blame everything on Gwyn, when the story is much more complex (and characters like Aldia and Kaathe are painfully depicted as badasses, when they’re both weak and the most evil) Nito isn’t part of the way of White, he already has his covenant, the way of White was founded by Llyod (which means Grey) as an institution after Gwyn was gone, it’s in the name, Gwyn means White, the way of Gwyn, a covenant focused on a kindling pilgrimage in preparation of someone linking the flame, just like Gwyn did, it eventually changed to Blue to show the change in leadership for Gwyndolin. Lloyd was a fraud, as in a human that falsely claimed to be related to Gwyn, and it’s a plot point with both Lautrec in DS1, and in DS3, and this is an important point, names in Dark Souls aren’t like the ones in real life, a “God” is a hollow with a fragment of a Lord Soul (light), while human is a hollow with a fragment of the dark souls. The appearance of humans, however, is an illusion (or an exquisite lie if you prefer) created by what is assumed to be Gwyn, or whatever God, we don’t have actual confirmation, the true form of humanity is the one Manus, the citizens in Oolacile’s DLC, and those guys that transform in dark serpents in DS3 take. This is why the pigmies in the Ringed City were quick to accept the seal, they were as terrified as Gwyn of the abyss, problem is, there’s a difference between fire and light, just as there is between fire and dark, and the Gods (again, hollows with a light lordsoul fragment) could not survive in the age of fire (the japanese translation of DS3 even states that Gwyndolin is sick due to the proximity with dark soul fragments), and if you look at DS1’s intro, it spells it out, the age of fire is an age with light and dark coexisting. This leaves Gael to do an action that YT doesn’t like to see posted, but if you played the Ringed City you know what he did, regardless with the creation of the painting the dark soul is finally no longer part of the world. Incidentally, the Gwyn you see in DS1 is a mindless hollow unable to even conjure lightning because that’s what he was before the lord soul.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Thanks for sharing your opinions. Btw, are you Pontiff Sulyvahn? Lol xD Firstly, I definitely don't think of most of Dark Souls' characters as "purely evil"; the majority of them are at most selfish and cruel, but not villanous. Even characters such as Pontiff or Aldrich, who are definitely portrayed as "antagonistic", are not evil; I believe they just act for a greater goal for which the ends justify the means. The same is kind of true for Gwyn; he did what was best for his clan and subjects to the detriment of other peoples and the cycle of nature. He created the curse to prolong the age of fire, a time of plenty for the "world of men". I more or less agree with what you said about the "gods". And while Nito's connection to "Allfather Lloyd" is one of the more speculative points, I believe there's still solid thematic and narrative implications that they are one and the same. If you're interested, check my other videos where I delve into it. I disagree with your last point. The two major elements of duality are light and dark. Yes, "fire" can be considered to be a different thing to "light". Much like "dark" is different to "dampness". All ages feature the elements coexisting; however in the case of Gwyn's curse, the dark was shackled at the abyss to prevent the cycle from following its course. The same is true for the Profaned flame below Irithyll. Gwyn became hollow because he sacrificed his soul to link the fire; he was the first to link it as punishment for his sin, and his title of "Lord of Cinder" can be interpreted as a mockery of his deific title as "Lord of Light".

[@pedro_mab]

"all you therorists try to go through nonsensical threads" followed by a bunch of nonsensical threads is crazy

[@scramblex2692]

cool videos, but your diction/dynamics need some work. you are kind of hard to understand.

[@thefirelinkconspiracy]

Sorry about that. I should work on my english speaking skills. I only hit record and never practice lol. I used to manually subtitle everything, but it demanded more time than I had available. Maybe the automatic subtitles could help? Thanks for the feedback.