The way they defend tokenization makes no sense.

[@daniboy4153]

How does Tokenization even help actual issues in the world? Changing the ethnicity of an old character isn't helping anything or anyone

[@painvillegaming4119]

It only created anger and rage

[@barryelverson9486]

They’ve been making it about race, gender, sexuality because they hate and hate all. They focus the hatred on whites, males, heterosexuals, not far leftists as they want and need to hate all but themselves. Tokenism is Racisim and sexism. It trashes everyone both directly and indirectly.

[@artingevondyan1613]

@Knox2Don that's the language of these modern day racists. They pretend they are helping the black community by throwing them a bone.

[@nicksrandomreviews]

That's the neat part; it doesn't.

[@Jason-ol1ty]

Malcom X can surely rest in peace now. The white liberals he warned us about finally got blacks what they needed, some more comic characters!

[@Not_Soundwave]

"Creatively bankrupt" will always be the most apt description for these writers. I get they want to reflect the demographic of modern times, but they do it by disrespecting what came before them. Someone else described this as a term that I forget, but it's basically explained like: "The founders appoint a younger breed to eventually take over, the younger doesn't understand the original vision and changes everything from the inside out, and now they feel like they're the original founders." They're power tripping.

[@CJ-hx9du]

If they're so interested in being woke, they should make new diversified characters. Instead of ruining old franchises for a quick buck.

[@RazorF157]

Yep. Its all about taking the fandom down so they can do whatever they want to these characters, then turn around and act like they were the first ones ever to do it or make themselves out to be some kind of martyr. If these people really believed in their message then we wouldn't be having any of these conversations. They want us gone so they can have they're weird fan-fic become "legitimized" in the public eye. Sad part is most people don't really care about this stuff in the first place. As we watch these industries "burn down" we have to be the ones to pick up the pieces and rise from the ashes.

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@CJ-hx9du Everytime they try, they fail. Look at naomi for the most recent example. Although they did it all wrong, they tried to force it down our throat that shes so important rather than organically letting that happen. How tf you gonna make her, give her a show next week then insert her into the JL overnight? lol. Whats sad is, the limited series i thought had some potential but as soon as they copy and pasted her into the justice league i knew it was over. DC and marvel both have so many good non white charecters, and some gay ones and idk how or why the suck at using them so much. Why the f* isnt blade all over the damn place? Apollo and Midnighter at dc are some of the best gay charecters of all time and none of it is forced, but nah lets just make superman gay instead thatl win em. Its like marvel and dc are run by dodo birds

[@RazorF157]

@Bill Bixby I'm trying to think of any property where they tried to make it for a new audience but still respected the old fans who LITERALLY supported what the ip in the first place to make it what it was. Feel free to inform me when it was actually successful and that would be your benchmark. I don't think anyone said the struggle was going to be easy.

[@CJ-hx9du]

@Bill Bixby If its too challenging to take over a legacy property, don't do it. Obviously people do it to much off of the preexisting fanbase to make up for their lack of talent

[@chesterstevens8870]

Eric, I just wanted to say that what you're doing is an inspiration for fledgling creatives such as myself. I can't stand watching the wokeists overrun nerd and gaming culture, and I'm glad people like you are willing to take up the banner and help push back.

[@chesterstevens8870]

@@RebornVengeancex Bold claim, Glowie. Care to back it up with the receipts?

[@MiddleMAGA]

He is an inspiration to me as well. When I see everything he's doing it makes me see that I can do that in myself or at least try.

[@chilomine839]

Getting activists to admit their tokenization is just a virtue signal and has no real point is an uphill battle. They are 100% leaning into the great replacement.

[@DonoZeek]

What do you mean when you said woke is overruning nerds and gaming culture? Also, saying there is an issue doesn't mean he's pushing the bank. It's like saying Greta Thunberg pushing forward Eco-friendliness.

[@DonoZeek]

@@RebornVengeancex what do you mean?

[@StandTheOffensive]

I'm not too big into the comic side of Marvel. Always been more of a movie guy. However, I know this for sure... Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Steve Rogers is Captain America. And no-one gives a sh't about Kamala Khan or Riri Williams.

[@docsavage8640]

Kamala who? Riri who?

[@jonathansoko1085]

To be honest, when Kamala was introduced, the first like 6 issues were decent. It was fun, it was light hearted and i thought it was totally fine. But like all things that has a potential, marvel and dc take it to hell as soon as they can

[@ShaFnZAM]

100% This should be "tweeted out".

[@hoodiek6802]

Ri Ri isn't a bad character they just gave her a rushed Beginning thats why most of these Charcters fail.Kamala even though I haven't really anything about her could be a good Charcter if Done right

[@DonoZeek]

Actually, Kamala is quite popular. Her stories are quite fun to read, maybe more than Captain Marvel but no one likes Riri. Maybe you should read their comics before you judge them.

[@HockeyBoy1972]

Tokenization is a messed up combination of trying to capitalize the popularity of existing characters and trying to have strong diverse characters. If any of those who work for any entertainment the industry had any imagination or skills, they could create original characters, instead of trying to change existing characters. SMH

[@derrickcrawford1081]

But if I may ask isn't creating and original character usually Whiskey with only 50% chance of Gaining popularity from the public?

[@lancelot2833]

@@derrickcrawford1081 yes true but now with the internet all u need is a cool costume. Like how spider-Gwen got popular

[@FercPolo]

Tokenization, at the top level, is all about virtue signalling white guilt. It's entirely dumb from front to back.

[@rrodrreviews]

@@derrickcrawford1081 that’s not a reason not to try lol imagine if everyone had that mentality of “oh there’s a chance that this might not succeed so I’m not even gonna bother”

[@psquared2020]

Having strong diverse characters in and of itself isn't bad. By doing that you're that, you're able to appeal to different groups of people whether it's by age, race, or generation, etc. Like the saying goes, variety is the spice of life. It's more about capitalizing on popular characters and reinventing the wheel with them (different versions of the same character).

[@jeffinjohnson5128]

This pretty much sums up why modern day entertainment is straight hot dog water now. There’s no risk taking whether it be with comics, movies, tv shows, etc. These creatives are so scared of their ego being bruised that they take the path of least resistance whether it be tokenizing established white characters, remakes/reboots of established franchises, or nostalgia bait.

[@JohnDoe-gt3jr]

At this point, I think what they're doing is already considered more of a risk than the actual risk-taking action

[@Likexner]

I hate reboots so much. I cant think of any good ones.

[@Likexner]

@Bill Bixby Nobody is "actively destroying" woke comics, except the ones who make them.

[@Likexner]

@Elias Lionheart I especially hate it when they call it the exact same name as an older title. CoD Modern Warfare for example, or NFS Hot Pursuit. Who came up with that stupid idea? Who gave it the go-ahead?

[@Likexner]

@Bill Bixby Are those _destroying_ anything though? I dont think so. I think those who dont like the stuff already know not to buy it and those who do like it probably wont be dissuaded from it.

[@firenze6478]

The only defense I ever get is after articulating my thoughts is that they respond by ignoring all my points and saying almost exactly this: NO! You just hate ( insert black, female, trans, gay) people! Then they repeat that ad nauseam or stop replying

[@keemeister]

I also got that kind of dumb response after I express my dislike for race swap. When I called him out on it, his only comeback is to call me a snowflake and that theirs not such thing as these woke mob trying to destroy comics.

[@lekhaclam87]

Just like an NPC, when they reach the last of their dialogues, they will just repeat it forever.

[@firenze6478]

@@keemeister I just wish we could have civil conversations about it, because I feel like creativity is dying just for cheap virtue signalers to feel some sort of moral superiority.

[@madlabsinfirmary1904]

@@keemeister "I also got that kind of dumb response after I express my dislike for race swap. When I called him out on it, his only comeback is to call me a snowflake and that theirs not such thing as these woke mob trying to destroy comics." I just call people posers and name off minority/women/gay characters that they should read and that they have no idea they exist. What's funny is when they do, they go "why doesn't Marvel/DC use this character"? My response was always "Because they know you don't care about comics. The message or identity is what you care about the most and they exploit it because it's now fashionable to".

[@nicksrandomreviews]

So, if this person is all for race-swapping, then they should have no problem with a white Black Panther. Like, if its okay to do one way, it SHOULD, by their very own logic, be fine to go the other way.

[@Sailorsega]

Or a white Blackula.

[@TBODZ]

White man please don’t get involved in conversations about what black people have to say. Go and colonise somewhere

[@trevorghalt1881]

Actually that's wrong because we don't want more white people so he could be Hispanic, Native American, Asian or so on but not white

[@hoodiek6802]

I dont understand who's race swapped

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

@@TBODZ sorry but you invaded even White cultures so this is a war already.

[@luelee6168]

"They only see legitimacy through classical white characters." - Eric D July And that's right, they only see legitimacy through classical white characters. Granted they are the more popular characters who so happen to be white and it is that popularity the woke desire to subvert and bank on. Marvel and DC have plenty of diverse characters these people can choose from and yet they steal classical white characters, particularly straight white male characters, and wokify them. Creatively bankrupt is an understatement but also, never the true intention. Its always been about ideological subversion: eliminating our secondary male role models and ideal strong women via comics, film and videogames and replacing them with what the woke considers is heroic.

[@derrickcrawford1081]

But hasn't ever been considered that those other characters that DC has on the shelf weren't But hasn't ever been considered that those other characters that DC has on the shelf warrant popular enough to gain interest from the public?

[@luelee6168]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Yes I can imagine a character without substance, a proper back story and believable personality traits can be real boring. Like Captain America back in the day...

[@isaiahdavis5957]

"Manga can do it why cant you" need to be a slogan

[@vsander09]

Yes but manga is not inherently self-loathing…. Wokeism is.

[@anasloyal]

@@vsander09 mangas have there own problems too, you just see the big ones from shonen if you haven't read mangas or kept up with the latest anime dropping every season

[@thebugledaily6805]

Defending Spider-man's crimes is also ridiculous!!

[@rydescho]

To Ashley, what you said absolutely is dumb. I'm glad Eric is talking about this. Instead of race swapping characters, how about Marvel and DC pull from their catalog of black, latino, native american, asian, jewish and thousands of other characters they are let sitting on the shelf collecting dust that have different backgrounds and make them likeable and loveable instead of just redesigning an already loved character to just make a few dollars? Or they could create new characters, put love into them and give people a reason to care about them? Eric is making a great point to show people that these people are just being lazy. You can't excuse that, at all.

[@derrickcrawford1081]

But hasn't it ever been considered that the reason Those characters that DC or marvel have on the shelf were phased out because they weren't popular enough to gain any kind of interest? Also doesn't creating a new character all together create a pretty risky 50% chance That it will fail?

[@derrickcrawford1081]

But hasn't it ever been considered that the reason Those characters that DC or marvel have on the shelf were phased out because they weren't popular enough to gain any kind of interest? Also doesn't creating a new character all together create a pretty risky 50% chance That it will fail?

[@nomative8915]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Something new will always carry some risk. Better to fail then learn and adapt than to stagnate rehashing the same thing over and over.

[@jaredfisher-ramos7744]

@@derrickcrawford1081 No there many popular characters that were fazed out jut to create new ones but they were already getting sales and were good characters.

[@SirBlackReeds]

You should ask her that on her Curiosity Cat account.

[@barbaraweiler8155]

biggest problem with todays comic books is they are written for the person writing them and a very limited audience. back in the day the books were written for a general audience. the idea being you sell more books and make more money. these newbies need to follow the great Stan Lee .he wrote about social issues to be sure but he always made sure not to lecture.

[@jonathansoko1085]

Fair is fair, wheres the white black panther? Well, Matt Murdock once wore the BP suit, if that happened today i think twitter would MELT. Also, want proof that "swapping" all the characters doesnt sell copies? Lets bring up those marvel and dc comic sales for the last year, its EMBARRASSING how low it is. All these people that retweet that crap, dont buy anything. To me this isnt a color or race thing, its a is the books good or bad thing, and they are BAD right now.

[@prettyboyjeremy]

Nothing pisses me off like tokens without a purpose.

[@painvillegaming4119]

Except pissing the fan off

[@och70]

Diversity just for the sake of diversity box checking.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

Being a token its in fact not having a real purpose.

[@silverscorpio24]

"We want to be more inclusive." "So... we're getting a Bishop movie? John Stewart? Vixen?" "No. You're getting black Superman."

[@danieln6700]

John Stewart from the justice league animated series was the first green lantern for me. He's great idk why they havnt done anything with him

[@silverscorpio24]

@@danieln6700 I don't trust WB to keep this character faithful anyway.

[@danieln6700]

@@silverscorpio24 oh ye he would be butchered. He's stil grate in the cartoon

[@Paugose]

That "Ashley Talks Comics" account shows up on my TL no matter the subject, because twitter thinks I'd be interested. First it was "Super Hero", then "Comics", then "Pop Culture", now I think it was "Entertainment", they're going out of their way to put theses posts on my TL.

[@Ghiaccio-x1j]

The way they defend anything makes no sense.

[@shadowmakerer]

Just found out about African comics and I couldn't be happier. I've been trying to find out more about African mythology and culture through creative means. I got to see what Africa could do with creativity and I was not disappointed.

[@kathyflorcruz552]

Notice these people NEVER go after Bollywood not being diverse or any other country that uses characters that their population is comfortable & familiar with either.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Share the titles, man. I wanna know.

[@shadowmakerer]

@@kathyflorcruz552 Definitely.

[@shadowmakerer]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid My comments keep disappearing. Just look up African Comics.

[@dinamothupi996]

One African comic suggestion that I think is a good read is the Supa Strikas series which is about the adventures of a soccer team and at one point it also became a TV series on Disney XD.There's more information on Wikipedia if you are interested.

[@ffjj3964]

These characters existed since the 40’s is because what the stand for. The lesson and values they represent. For instance: Spider-Man: Responsible X-Men: Equality Captain America: The AMERICAN dream (go to hell Marvel) Wonder Woman: Truth Batman: Justice Superman: The America Way (go to hell DC) These “modern heroes” represent nothing. Not even their person sex, races, or belief. For anyone should be allow look up to Batman or Spider-Man regardless what they are. To say otherwise is beyond bigoted. Plain and simple.

[@DonoZeek]

Actually, Superman was about the American Way but because a lot of people say he was more than just America, not to mention the American way isn't much given how bad it can be. So making tomorrow better is perfect. Cause it's what Superman is. The tomorrow man.

[@ffjj3964]

@@DonoZeek See your opinion, now here’s mine. Say can be said that: “for truth, justice, and the America-way” Is superior to “a better tomorrow”. For he’s putting his faith into us, and this country. Believing in these things despite all the problems, the flaws, and crap we’ll pulled. (Like the “Agent Orange” Incident.) Superman a perfect man. Yet he’s still willing put himself second, put us and our country first. A “Better Tomorrow” is too vague. For what is the standard? What is qualifies as a Better Tomorrow? And by who’s standards? His? (Remember everyone has there own version of a “better tomorrow”. Like a real-life 1984.) Essentially saying Superman he putting his ideas ahead of us. The world needs fit HIS vision. Affectedly putting himself ahead of us and our country.

[@craigparedes2612]

That "what if" bullshit was the smoke screen too fuck everything up.

[@matthiasfoo1217]

"they're white in the comics" "they're made in the 40s" ok...then make new non white charachters in the 2020s...

[@akilbrazier1421]

Damn Eric you be killing them with these videos 😂😂

[@hughmungues3219]

Just found your channel and I already love it. Two of my favorite characters in comics were static shock and blade. Not because they were black but because the stories around them were exceptional.

[@saooduae89]

Just make new characters and stop this stupidity! Thanks for the video my brother.

[@rael2099]

They were created in the 40s. So what? What's stopping them in creating new characters that are as interesting and compelling as these old characters? Nothing, it's just they can't write or create crap. The goal is not to create new characters, nor riding the coatails of a character with legitimacy but the goal is to DELEGITIMIZE those characters by not giving an original voice to the races they're claiming to care for. To erase or debase the original characters.

[@Likexner]

They do it out of spite. They want to destroy what they consider to be white culture.

[@unimaginative_artist]

Very nice video sir, keep it going stay strong!

[@bluecollie55_movies25]

You have hit the nail on the head. The "fans" who demand and defend these identity swapping superhero characters do not read the comics with the identity swamped characters at all. They only read about them from an entertainment new website to feel validated over themselves with the characters. Same problem with TV and movies. It's very evil and sick.

[@erisi236]

They wouldn't know a Golden Age hero if they got hit on the head with one

[@dimoslaros724]

Dude, I agree with you every step of the way. A lot of mainstream titles artistic work in the comic world is busy doing politics instead of coming out with a very powerful character or original content, generally. It pretty much looks like the video gaming area. Where you have top tier studios and some good people working with and in those studios and most of them create, dull, uninspired copy/paste flops. And you have the indie studios or side of things, that absorbs more and more professionals with experience in the field starting new studios doing a way better job than the top political, low quality studios do. Respect for being true! 👏 👏 👏

[@damascusraven]

I like good characters. Well-written, well-developed characters. Characters with intrigue, motivation, growth, depth, weakness, strength, etc. Notice how none of that has to do with skin color.

[@AntiDecepticonCampaign]

They’re really just defending their creative bankruptcy

[@DarkLight6Tv]

There was an ad for data encryption called "tokenization" on this video and I literally laughed out loud. 🤣🤣🤣

[@garym6315]

She's talking like the population of the planet has changed totally since the introduction of Spider-Man. As if the world is now 99.9% black and that things HAVE to be changed for this new audience that doesn't know what a caucasian is anymore.

[@arsenijekrasnic8479]

Diversity and representation is like cancer bruv

[@firenze6478]

Its not when its done well. Forced diversity and representation for nothing but inclusion’s sake is what’s cancer

[@EarlMcManus2005]

@@firenze6478 Like how Chris Claremont used to.

[@arsenijekrasnic8479]

@@firenze6478 yeah but nowdays everything is forced. Just look at Eternals

[@anthonygarcia8749]

@@firenze6478 when it's done well. There wouldn't be any conversations about it. People would just say oh that's a great cast and great movie and leave it at that. The whole diversity thing wouldn't even pop into your head as it should be. One prime example is fast and furious.

[@chryssesandchaos]

I'm Asian and I usually like black, latino and asian characters in hollywood movies or tv series, they seem to have more interesting personalities, even if they're just supporting characters, but now when I see black, latino and asian characters, I automatically hate it, because I know they were put there not for the story's sake, but to meet the "people of color" quota. I prefer it like the way it was, when they were put there because the story calls for it. Also, I only know comic book characters through cartoons, so I don't know this Miles Morales and when I heard about him, I didn't like it either, there's only one Spider-Man and it's Peter Parker and his white. I also don't like Tom Holland's Spider-Man, sure it's fun, but they're obviously into the "people of color" quota as well.

[@Riley_Kayote]

I totally feel the same way, and I was starting to worry if I hate “my people”. But then rewatched Rush Hour 1,2,3. And I loved it… and since then I’ve been watching some of my favorite movies as a kid, and I live every single “POC” on screen. And I have to say, I’m really glad the problem’s with Hollywood and not me 😁

[@jonathansoko1085]

I hear you, im brasilian and what i hate is when they make someone like us then do a song and dance to show us how great it is that marvel or dc did us the favor. That is so wack to me, just make some cool charecters and let them do cool stuff. The new wonder girl/woman is from brasil, you would think id love it, but i dont. Becuase it feels so, blah, now shes running around the battle field going ALALALALALALALALALAL before attacking, i just face palmed instead. There is such a thing as trying too hard. Whats most annoying is when they do this stuff, then try to tell us how much better this swapped version is than the "white" version. They always do that. Sorry but noones gonna be better than Diana, noones gonna be better than Peter Parker, or Kal-el, thats just the fact, go do something new over there and make me like it. Miles morales was SO MUCH BETTER when he had the ultimate universe, instead they port him over to the 616 and now it loses what made it good.

[@Itachi_Uchiha666-n7d]

I agree 100% beside Tom was never Spider-Man he was Iron Spider Boy ask Doc Oc

[@josephj303]

watch alien and predator both are very deverse and you don't even care because its not forced they are just people as it should be

[@chryssesandchaos]

@@josephj303 Yeah, I've seen those and re-watching them, recently, I find myself watching movies and tv series, from the 80's, 90's and early 2000, they were just more fun to watch. Most of them are original too, not remake or reboot.

[@Psycopathicus]

As you say, there IS a way to do this right, if you care to take the time to do it properly. Steel, for example, is technically a 'black version' of a character. He is often referred to as the 'black Superman', and was even briefly teased as a replacement for Superman, back during the 'Death of' storyline that introduced him. The difference, though, between him (and some others like him) and a lot of this current crop of characters? He had actual thought and care put into him, and though he had obvious similarities to a pre-existing hero, HE WAS NOT THAT HERO. Steel has inherent ties to Superman, but he is, first and foremost, himself - John Henry Irons is his OWN character with his OWN backstory that deals with his OWN themes. He wasn't just some other Kryptonian dude who happened to look like a black guy - he was, if anything, closer to Iron Man. He may have been a THEMATIC 'black Superman', but you couldn't have mistaken him for Supes if you tried - and because they put some actual effort into all this, he was successful and beloved and still has devoted fans. (And yeah, his movie wasn't good - but the fact that he got it at all is still notable.) With these more recent characters, though, it almost always IS just a race-and/or-gender-swap - but without the established character aspects of the original, or anything significant to replace them with. They don't go 'hey, if I were to make a black Batman analogue, how would I do it; obviously he wouldn't be Bruce Wayne, so maybe a self-made man type, and we'd need some sort of twist on the bat motif to differentiate it from...' and so on - they just go 'Dude! What if Batman... was black? Oh, it's genius; Twitter will love me! I'll make him Bruce Wayne identical race-swapped twin brother or some shit; no one'll care - let's get those movie deals comin' in!'

[@LeeroyPorkins]

They're changing them to ignore Public Domain.

[@jonathansoko1085]

That is not how that works.

[@painvillegaming4119]

Well F them

[@derrickcrawford1081]

What's that?

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@derrickcrawford1081 , public domain is writing system where the general public can write whatever the hell they want without worrying about trademark laws and copyright © laws.

[@gmajor1273]

Long live the Rippaverse.

[@ORIGINALFBI]

"It was a time where black characters couldn't be created!" Ok. So create new black characters now.

[@serballista]

Justice for the *ORIGINAL* characters who *STARTED* out “diverse”, that succeeded in the comics landscape. They don’t get enough respect.

[@jxalmada66]

Every community now, is filled with the people that we wanted to get away from, leading us to creat said community

[@r34lgpr925]

The real Spiderman does not need electric abilities or invisibility camouflage. Peter Parker is smarter than that and that's why he's the real and only Spiderman. The others are just piggyback riding on the goat.

[@howlingwolffang2221]

They care more about the quantity and less about the quality

[@TheClargest]

Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have made and invented.

[@DarthBalsamic]

It's possibly one of the worst arguments, if it can even qualify as one, I've ever seen and heard from these types. It's the standard one for these idiots. What's worse is that basic scrutiny undermines the fake argument fast. For example, if these characters that they're subverting not under the banner of Marvel or established character profiles, would they have any value at all? Of course the answer is no. Not to mention even as they deconstruct and subvert the characters in the present they don't sell. They literally have nothing backing their position yet they make it anyway. It's insanity. Their worldview bars them from creativity which is why they must corrupt, destroy, subvert, and deconstruct. Even the artwork has declined. The aesthetic is nihilism. On a quick note, and this has been on my mind for a while now, notice how they make an entire adversary of us in such a bizzare way. We aren't actually an adversary to them at all, which ironically is as cartoonish as the world(in this case comics, but inclusive of society) they wish to transform away from its thematic, and reality based purpose. They have to make us as such because they are at war with reality itself and we must be the proxy in order for them to keep this going. It's a total delusion that they've given themselves over to which is why falling sales and quality doesn't seem to phase them. Nihilism doesn't allow them to see this reality and the associated metrics for this industry.

[@7thsluglord363]

Have any thoughts on the Amazon bastardization of Tolkien's works in the making? The characters and people were explicitly described by Tolkien in all his works, and Amazon is planning on doing this same BS of forcing "diversity" where it explicitly doesnt exist in the way they view it. Would make a good video for you, there is a HUGE divide in the community between people who actually love Tolkien's works, and people who say "skin color doesnt matter at all, so why cant we change pre established lore in order to force an agenda". The biggest Tolkien channels on the tube have sold their souls to the progressive machine and are calling anyone who has issue with it "hateful"

[@jonathansoko1085]

Can you imagine if marvel decided to make wakanda white, or partly? People would melt

[@FercPolo]

Black Hobbits make as little sense as White Wakandans.

[@och70]

I don't know if they'll watch it, but I have a feeling that both Nerdrotics and Just Some Guy would tear that show a new Hobbit-hole if they were to do review videos for it. That's guaranteed to be more entertaining than the actual show itself.

[@Likexner]

Well,fuck em. Not gonna watch it, not gonna pretend its canon.

[@Likexner]

This series is a good test. Whoever still falls for the nostalgia bait is either ignorant or stupid.

[@lordcavalier9688]

Right now I don’t want new black characters. Because they will not be characters. They will be mouth pieces for “the message.” Even when they create original characters the reason they don’t sell is because they can’t help themselves. Believe me I’d love a new black punisher type character. But I just know it wouldn’t be fighting for justice it would be fighting for their skewed version of justice. They would tip toe around actual issues in black communities because it would make those communities look bad.

[@chipan8881]

I don’t want new black characters 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@GodOfOrphans]

@@chipan8881 Are you lot allergic to context or something?

[@NotMyRealName6]

Lack of effort is 100 times more offensive than lack of representation. How many times do we have to say this before they get it?

[@asaka616]

I actually have no problem with Silk or Captain Marvel in context. The concept that Silk was an idea with potential as a villain or an ally to Spider-Man, until she was co-opted by ideology, poor writing and inconsistent characterization. It was, for the most part its own identity. Captain Marvel, back when she was Ms Marvel was once a great character who has been tarnished by politics. I hope one day she can be salvaged, but oh man, it's gonna take a long time. A damn long time. It really is a bizarre thought process that they only find legitimacy for their “Characters™” in appropriating white characters, especially red heads. There was a brilliant cartoon covered by Romanian TVee, that showed an assembly line of characters of pop culture on a conveyor belt movong through a device that changed their race, gender, sexuality etc.

[@sparking023]

Imagine they do a major reveal that the "Captain" Marvel we have been getting was actually some Kree general that she fought at some point and due to some wack power play, it ended absorbing part of her memories and personality, but it all got juiced up, resulting in this mess. Then, we get yet another Kree invasion, but this time led by a also mind warped Kree General Danvers. They clash again, get mind swapped back and boom, Ms. Marvel is back, in a pretty comics fashion Edit: also agree on the removal of redheads. It's a damn shame.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

At least they give Cindy her own name.

[@nightowl8363]

I would definitely to check out a either SciFi, Neo Noir, or Cyber punk style comic/graphi c novel you made 🤘🤘

[@jcrofficial4309]

It's weird logic for these guys. To say race shouldn't matter which I agree, it's experience and knowledge, yet they want to race swap, now it matters. Also because characters were made in the 40s so they have more presence and had to be white? That's not a valid point. How long ago was that? 80, 70 years ago? Most of us weren't even born yet. And what happened in the 70s, 80s and 90s? Just create new characters and build them up or work with the many already there. Don' t excuse laziness. What ever happened to Spawn, Blade, Static Shock, Green Lantern John Stewart? Great characters put to the side because it's easier to play victim for political reasons, to push an agenda. Oh man, isn't it more convenient for these hypocrites not to have these badass characters make a return and just bury them deep to say there isn't any powerful black heroes?

[@derrickcrawford1081]

Well hasn't ever been considered that those other characters you were talking about where phased out because they weren't popular enough to gain interest from the public?Well has it ever been considered that those other characters you were talking about where phased out because they weren't popular enough to gain interest from the public

[@prufan]

@@derrickcrawford1081 wrong

[@jcrofficial4309]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Imagine saying those characters were phased out yet when they bring back Black Panther who was in barely anyone's top 10 or 20 lists, people go nuts about him generating 1 billion in the box office. You can't be more wrong about what you said.

[@shadowsaber4566]

@@jcrofficial4309 I might be misunderstanding something (or just completely wrong), but didn't something similar happened with Guardians of the Galaxy? I don't recall them ever being famous or talked about (I've heard comments of them not even being popular). But then, ever since the first movie, they suddenly seems popular. So why can't these creators do something similar with how they did with Guardians of the Galaxy, or was that nothing more but a huge fluke ( correct me if I was wrong about this).

[@jcrofficial4309]

@@shadowsaber4566 You're right, I knew nothing of Guardians of Galaxy and now I'm a fan. Also out of the main assemble of characters, only a few are human. What if the secret to success is decent writing or good visuals? Even a combination of both with proper marketing? They need to stop pretending that there isn't some psychological problem with the way they think and think this logically. Even the first Suicide Squad was close to a billion and guess who played the main character? Will Smith and it had all kinds of marketing behind that project. Everyone I know never heard of the animated movie or comics of Suicide Squad.

[@tidasium1785]

The people who have went woke, the people who have hate in their hearts fail to understand what happened when Black panther came out. A lot of us knew about Black panther because he was in the comic books as a kid then he slowly disappeared. When they came out with the movie we were excited to see what they would do with this character according to what we remember in the comic books. That's it we paid our tribute to the superhero not because we felt we should pay tribute to a certain race but to the superhero.

[@tidasium1785]

@Bill Bixby okay, Fair enough. Thanks for your input I thought I was being general but I can see how it could be taken as splitting a hair

[@TerryB01]

Only thing that can save these characters is a full reboot of them and starting over from scratch.

[@derrickcrawford1081]

You mean another universe reset?

[@TerryB01]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Or a partial one. Like most characters are left untouched but the ones in desperate need of a reboot get it.

[@derrickcrawford1081]

@@TerryB01 Such as?

[@TerryB01]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Reasoning for reboot or which characters get it?

[@SatenSheets]

I don't agree with everything you say, but I love your content, and appreciate your perspective on mostly everything comics/movies related.

[@trevorghalt1881]

I like how the video got off the tweet that this was made about

[@guerillalou2312]

So what if the original Justice League heroes were made in the 30s and 40s. Many characters of color even iconic ones were created in the 60s and 70s. Black Panther, Blade, Luke Cage, Storm, Brother Voodoo, Black Lightning, Bronze Tiger etc. Unless you agree that they should all Be raced swapped as well then shut the hell up about oh these characters were made in the 30s

[@guerillalou2312]

@Yung Murk While yes you are correct I’m not talking about biracial I’m talking full on white. People not me of course will defend those roles just because of who they are.

[@guerillalou2312]

@Yung Murk people were fine with it because it was Halle Berry. Tho other chick they didn’t care about because she was portraying a young Halle.

[@guerillalou2312]

@Yung Murk would you make that same argument for Beyoncé, Rihanna, and any other light skinned celebrity?

[@guerillalou2312]

@Yung Murk and this is why racism will never go away. Because with that statement talent means nothing. Colorism is something within the black community. It’s a form of self hatred.

[@chrisdolan9579]

Can't wait, it's going to be fantastic!

[@grantmathieson650]

Rippaverse this month or next? Excited for some new creative ideas.

[@youngrippa59]

Hopefully this, but for sure next month

[@psquared2020]

@@youngrippa59 What characters will you be introducing in this universe of yours? Also, what do you think about worldbuilding?

[@RyanBrown-hp3sc]

Love the Sowell poster in the back.

[@jcarey1983]

Can't wait for the book man!!!!

[@lennywright5655]

1:06 even in the banner Peter Parker looks like he’s walking away, wanting nothing to do with what’s going on behind him 🤣

[@jaredthorne6881]

I've been waiting near 30 years for a Bishop and XSE movie

[@simplythebest2k]

I wouldn't care if tokenazation wasn't exploded like this. I wouldn't care if they couldn't but they can make new characters popular and they don't have to resolve in using franchise characters. A lot of example the lates is peacemaker no one new who he was lets face it. Now he is so popular over night. I would rather minorities where represented by new characters. It creates less conflict like this.

[@philbonney3646]

Couldn’t agree more. They work in an industry where creativity is at the forefront and instead of making new, well thought out characters that can be other races, genders, and sexual orientations they lazily, unimaginatively, just swap already well established characters with whatever woke parameters they want the character to fit into.

[@Castitalus]

Is that spider man wearing a mask over his mask?

[@docsavage8640]

All I hear is (1) I'm too lazy or uncreative to create anything new and (2) black characters have no legitimacy, only white characters do

[@derrickcrawford1081]

Well to be fair aren't the white characters usually more Famous and well knownknown?

[@princewya]

@@derrickcrawford1081 That doesn’t mean that original black characters can’t be well known as they are if they are written AND promoted well.

[@docsavage8640]

Reread. You have either missed the point or chosen to deflect.

[@jaredfisher-ramos7744]

@@derrickcrawford1081 Black panther, blade, cyborg, John Stewart, Spawn, Storm. These are but some famous heroes you don't need the character to be white for it to be good you need good characterization an stories.

[@Ilovegrunge123]

@@derrickcrawford1081 To people who don't read comics yes but thats because they decide to race change the characters so they could be more known. Can you honestly say people knew the characters from the movies before it became mainstream.

[@emdo.unlimited555]

Spiderfolk. Says it all

[@Kyle-bu3og]

Two Spider-Man clones that are totally acceptable: Ben Reilly and Kaine Parker. Both are literal clones of Peter and go back to the 90s.

[@statesminds]

Can’t wait for Isom to kick everything’s ass lol

[@barbaraepley7032]

It can't make sense because you can't defend the indefensible.

[@CountShockula]

What would these losers do if none of these characters existed??? if we had todays creative mindset make in the 40's-80's, comic book characters wouldn't exist.

[@flexjohnson18]

I mean Stan accounts on Twitter doesn't mean enough sales to beat a demon slayer or a chainsaw man. Hell I wonder even if they can beat a hentai manga

[@weedmonkeyfu]

Show em Eric!

[@bobbygould1960]

Permanently, Peter Parker is Spiderman Steve Rogers is Captain America Tony Stark is Iron Man Thor Odinson is Thor Mar-vell is Captain Marvel Carol Danvers is Ms.Marvel Hank Pym is Antman/Giant Man James Helwett is Wolverine

[@derrickcrawford1081]

No Logan is wolverine

[@jaredfisher-ramos7744]

@@derrickcrawford1081 James Hewlwett is his first name he changed it.

[@leohino9211]

You forgot Yellow jacket.

[@bobbygould1960]

@@leohino9211 Oh Sorry, and Yellow Jacket

[@EnsignRedshirtRicky]

"White people are outdated. We need to move on." - The Clueless (yet very vocal)

[@tedbundywastheultimatechad8400]

..."But we'll keep and benefit from everything they created, including civilization."

[@georgeelliott6877]

They are doing the same thing with video games now too🥵!

[@slanderman92]

I feel like its extra insulting to realize that a lot of these famous characters were made a long time ago and rather than being retired or closing the book on their story their namesake has to be paraded around to keep making money off of it. This isn’t how storytelling should be done. We have people trying to concoct characters for the purpose of filling quotas and maintaining trademarks rather than telling their stories. What should be happening is people making their own new stories and characters. You can still expect the pool of characters to become more diverse because the demand for characters with more unique backgrounds and perspectives is omnipresent. And better yet you won’t have all your minority characters being constantly compared to their white counterparts.

[@jdenney]

Pallete swapping, like the enemies in a lot of video games/rpg's. This isn't just a slime, it's a pink slime. It's also bigger than the green slime and has a different name!

[@vlatter9537]

Eric you're the truth

[@thelostone4303]

You're right. What they're doing is not art. It's borderline if not actual plagiarism.

[@andresanguianozuniga6798]

The funny thing about tokenization its they are too short on their life. Out of that message they don't exist. Do less Miles Morales and do more Black Panthers.

[@herosupport1606]

tessa tompson has valkyrie is like John Wayne has Ganghis Kahn.

[@GoreChyld]

I love how normies prop up Miles, a half breed. While completely ignoring Miguel O'Hara.

[@anthonygarcia8749]

Not to mention Miguel just being a far more interesting,unique, and cooler character lmao

[@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr]

@@anthonygarcia8749 , Doflamgino can web sling with his String String Fruit ability; Shiryu can turn invisible by the Devil Fruit he ate that let’s him turn invisible, and Enel has a lightning Devil Fruit ability, so all of the attributes that SJWS fails to makes Miles Morales an interesting and well written character Oda has already done so in One Piece.

[@doubleboe7NYC]

The characters being created in the 40s isn't an argument. Period. It's over man. Everything has been ruined by weirdos.

[@DgardsGaming]

2:45 oops you messed up their alittle. XD LOL

[@mightyporkinplowastranger8705]

"Yeah and they were also made in the 40's." And...?

[@billyballew7884]

"They were made in the 40's" And? I say then why don't they create new characters in 2022? Characters that fill that vacant representation you want so bad instead of settling for hand me down tokens. They just want the brand recognition and familiarity of classics because it's easier to just race swap or genderbend sexuality change whatever you wanna call it. What's sad is the companies have original black characters and gay characters but do nothing with them at all , but they'll change a more popular character instead of build up an original.

[@johnwright1447]

Preach it!

[@tavyd]

I'm not entirely against the concept of tokenization. I am against tokenization solely for the purpose of inclusion or diversity that does not honor or expand upon the original hero's story in a meaningful way. Nostalgia bait and virtue signaling aside, there is something relatable (to some of us at least) about acknowledging one's own mortality and the desire to create a legacy. This is why I do not object as strongly to the concept of a hero mantle. Bruce Wayne doesn't plan on living forever. He's hand-selected and trained proteges, hoping that one will be excellent enough to succeed him. Isn't that a mantle? You could even say that the Robin persona is a mantle in and of itself that has provided both great and not-so-great story arches. If the stories are good, I don't care if the proteges or successors are of a different gender or race from the original hero.

[@Likexner]

I would agree if the changes werent made out of spite, but they are.

[@tavyd]

@@Likexner Agreed. I am for diversity and inclusion, though (done right). That's the real challenge, isn't it? I mean, the comic book medium has evolved over time. Historically this evolution was driven by comics fans who entered the industry. They were fans 1st. Today it seems overly engineered. There's an intentional, socially-driven agenda to creating new stories and characters. Social issues of the time may have influenced the plot in the past, but it typically wasn't the point of the entire story or introduction of a character. Looking forward to seeing what the Rippaverse puts out.

[@implustration4828]

Honestly for me what bothers me the most is the fact that these token characters can be popular if they are done right. Sonys into the spidey verse made me actually like miles morales. I never liked miles at all but after that movie, honestly? Am willing to give him a chance. It's because Sony wasn't lazy. Simple. But this shit is going too far how long before every hero is black?

[@FercPolo]

All this does is make me want to turn all the non-white characters white in a comic just to troll everyone.

[@bluelanternguardianangel8038]

Ok so a few weeks ago someone posted a video of spiderman being a sarcastic teen for 7 mins. I made ONE comment about how I love how consistent that character trait is over decades, across multiple medias and dozens of writers. I get off the internet to go to work and when I came back I had oved 50 comments. I check and as it turns out two idiots had been arguing throughout the day. One of them is anti miles Morales and the other is pro. While I agree that miles is a woke tokenism, he was really REALLY racist about it. The other guy was all "white people had their time, now it's for the POCs" Turns out the first guy was Mexican and the second was white. How can people be this stupid Also there was a third guy who came in and started spewing even more nonsense by saying "anyone can be spiderman. That's what the movie was about so it doesnt matter about the skin color" Idk if I should even respond to them lol help

[@acemarvel1564]

If there’s a purge button for all this political bs I would punch it so hard

[@JohnFinitee]

I create my own original black (and white, asian etc) characters. tokenizing white characters doesn't interest me I dont get why certain artists are obsessed with it.

[@dinamothupi996]

It's for validating their insecurities. Instead of dealing with them in a healthy way, they demand everyone make them feel better about themselves and shove their poorly created self-inserts down the fans' throats and think that this is contributing to diversity in storytelling but it is not. What's worse is that they are ignoring the well-written stories that have the types of characters they are looking for and going after fandoms that don't have what they're looking for because they want to associate themselves with popular works, which means threatening creators to put in the characters they like. Keep on creating good charcters; they really are needed more than ever in this day.

[@JohnFinitee]

@@dinamothupi996 thanks! Will do!

[@mikoblingo4337]

"Dunning-Kruger Effect" Look it up people! The more you know!

[@freakshowfilmfestival3591]

I watched a video of Miles' origin story... I didn't like him as a character. BUT, I like him in Into The Spiderverse. My kid likes him but he doesn't read comics he only knows him from the video game and the movie.

[@joeyellis850]

I know exactly what these tokenized comics actually are! It's published fan fiction! And if you look, you'll see some self inserts in them too. Big example of the self insert, "I Am Not Starfire!"

[@lilyday115]

You want to know something that's super funny in that new series they're doing the what if like Miles Morales was Captain America or wolverine which those two characters specifically out of what they're going to do and makes no sense because hell I'm pretty sure neither one of his parents or grandparents were born yet when those two characters were alive originally but get this there's going to be a new character in that what if series her name is silk widow she's a tokenization character of a tokenization character known as silk who's a Korean American character from what I can see silk widow is a black girl

[@DevilDog2019]

I really dug Darkhawk that was a 90's OG character!