MCU Stans Are Still Thrown Off By My Dislike of Its Spider-Man

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[@youngrippa59]

IT'S NOT FOR YOU!! -Somebody, probably

[@Zen-sx5io]

Possibly.

[@throughthewatcherseyes3482]

YoungRippa59 to be honest my dude I think it’s because since Sony still wants to do Spider-Man stuff in the future and with Tom Holland’s contract ending after two movies (third solo movie, and a team movie) I think they will reboot again and then do things closer to the source material cause in all honesty I really didn’t want Spider-Man in the movies I wanted a Netflix series but now that he’s in the films they are changing things for film and changing races and character portrayals for a normie audience. And I get it movies like these aren’t just made for me and other comic book fans they are made for a large majority of people those who know Spider-Man by name, like superheroes movies and etc. honestly they could have adapted the source material better if they wanted it to be close to the time period that these movies take place in. Like adapt the ultimate comics line at least ya know (which I thought they were going to do) but yeah while I like some things of these mcu Spider-Man movies I feel like it strayed itself too much from the source material just to be connected to the mcu (also typing this on a phone which sucks lol) I feel if Sony does go and make their own live action Spider-Man series again they should keep it self contained if you want to reference or Easter egg other characters from marvel comics go ahead but don’t make the main big thing like the mcu Spider-Man films where we have to constantly be reminded that it is in the mcu

[@FooMantis]

Hey, man. I'd like to hear a more broken down reasoning, or maybe a list of the parts you feel aren't accurate. I'm not an MCU Stan, nor am I necessarily disagreeing with you, I just don't know that I fully understand. Is it the race changes in the solo movies? Personality traits (I feel like personality is the closest part, but I'm half-normie on Spidey) maybe? I get the Tony interactions/influence in place of the uncle Ben stuff are part of your beef, but some extra details would be cool. Thanks, bro!

[@angelortega8276]

Most definitely

[@nemesis5289s]

Let me say this Eric I love your content you do a great job we agree on so many things but this here I really strongly agree on and your explanation and reasoning is very sound precise and in my opinion Bulletproof there is no argument in opposition to this imo

[@dustinporter1948]

People just don't seem to understand that it was Uncle Ben's death that really was the catalyst for Spidey to be the hero so many people know and love. Tony Stark wasn't needed to make him, it was Peter's own genius that made him.

[@jagtech490]

Dustin Porter also in the comics they started their career around the same time

[@tsukumotenshima3000]

Said perfectly.

[@alpertroncp2198]

In fairness, Peter had become Spider-Man before Tony Stark got there to give him an upgrade. I feel like it was skipping over the origin story that made it look like Stark is the uncle Ben. Having said, I don't think I'd have wanted to see the origin a third time...

[@commandercorner5575]

Uncle Ben's death may have been the catalyst that compelled Peter to use his newfound gifts for heroics rather than selfish gain, but there were many, many more character defining moments that transformed him into the Spider-Man so many of you accuse MCU's webhead of not being. It's like none of you read the original comics, but jumped on the Spidey hype train after Raimi brought the character to a wider audience. After Ben died, Peter sought to become part of the Fantastic Four immediately. He was arrogant, naïve, and ultimately had to mature significantly before even other superheroes recognized him as a hero, much less an equal. To suggest the Peter in Homecoming doesn't undergo the exact same arc tells me that although you might be a fan of the current Spider-Man, you don't care about the path that brought him there. That said, Far From Home fails on the same reasons.

[@dustinporter1948]

@@commandercorner5575 I was just stating that Uncle Ben should be more important than Stark. I thought that's what they were going to do with Spider's intro in Civil War and just Stark fill the role of the Fantastic 4. Just about every big story arc in the comics Parker has major character moments. I didn't mean that Uncle Ben's death had to be the sole focus or played out all over again, but replace his role with Tony Stark is kind of a spit in the face of the one constant in main universe comics and that's Uncle Ben is dead and not coming back.

[@Nemesis0921]

That "uncle ben dying again" argument is so tired, I've heard it 100 times. Literally no one is asking to see Ben die again, but the fact that peter in the mcu barely acknowledges him is dumb, he's the whole reason peter does what he does.

[@jaylee8240]

Exactly

[@SlickZero1028]

You get it! 👏🏾

[@robstefani9853]

I liked that we first meet Peter after his death but completely skipping on how it affected him and May was criminal. This is the man who raised him and taught him the lesson that defined him forever. He was the love of May's life. And they just treat him like he never existed. May should have had a much bigger and more emotionally driven role in these films. I don't mind that they decided to make her much younger than usual and I think Marisa was well cast but think of everything that could have been done with her character and how that would affect Peter. Coping with loss and moving on, figuring out how she's going to make ends meet, dealing with health issues, suddenly becoming very protective of Peter.

[@thehopefuljudge8671]

Thank you Gendo Ikari

[@RedDevilStudio]

Not to mention the fact that aunt may does nothing in these movies aside from hooking up with happy.

[@ashtroboy0]

The Spider-Man in the PS4 game is how he should be.

[@mikeexits]

I wish Raimi got to finish Spider-Man 4. I want to see a proper conclusion to that story, not a barely repaired relationship just starting to come back together as the very final scene. The PS4 game made me really happy though, it's a knock out of the park, that game.

[@trevor3013]

Agreed af

[@badreedinedjellali1328]

yeah same thing with spectacular spider man Peter Parker in the show is 15 but act more mature like a 20 year old and Tom Holland spider man is 15 but act like he's 12

[@kjo2130]

Amen. That’s probably why I love the game so much.

[@dracodros3887]

Yup, best spidey story in ages. Loved it.

[@HeilRay]

MCU STANS Stan Lee: Dont make me come down there. His name isn’t Spider-Man. MCU Peter is The Spectacular Stark Boy.

[@SonicBlue302]

*HellRay* 🤣🤣

[@nxthgbutgemz]

*HellRay* The awkward moment when Stan lee was alive and stated “This is the spider-man I pictured” don’t shoot the Messenger there’s receipts all over the net

[@mikevasquez1103]

LOL, but we want Stan Lee to come down here. We miss The Man.

[@soraceant]

@@nxthgbutgemz stan lee has also said Andrew Garfield was amazing, and before that he said Tobey was amazing. Funny how he loves each one.

[@nxthgbutgemz]

Jude Ceant smh you didn’t really do your research huh I’m gonna tell you again I never said this he stated he prefers the Tom’s version from the three because of his height age and his characteristic matches on what he done

[@JackPool-lq8ux]

I’m more pissed off by their Flash Thompson. Flash was my favorite version of Venom and he was like the hero for veterans. He wasn’t some special forces super soldier, he was a grunt who got a second chance after having his legs blown off. A hero for the grunts of the military. But how is that spoiled mathlete soy boy even close to to the Flash Thompson of Marvel’s past?

[@LunarSpiral1127]

Jack4514Pool Yeah, I hated MCU’s Flash. The Flash from the Amazing Spider-Man movie was better because it felt like the actual character.

[@micah459]

Yeah the ruined his character even more

[@robstefani9853]

@@LunarSpiral1127 That Flash also backed off and showed sympathy and support for Peter after Ben was killed. I especially like Flash in Spectacular Spider-Man and how his relationship with Peter changed over the course of the show. He went from typical high school bully jock, to rightfully putting Peter in his place during the symbiote arc and beginning to develop a friendship by the end of the series. Man that show was cut too short. Thanks Disney.

[@LunarSpiral1127]

@@robstefani9853 EXACTLY! I actually liked that scene in The Amazing Spider-Man because it made Flash not some cliche bully. Like he actually had character. And Spectacular Spider-Man was what I wished MCU Spider-Man was.

[@scavengerace]

The snap and the timeskip following it were the perfect opportunities to pull the MCU Flash closer to his comic's counterpart. Picture Flash not getting dusted from the snap and having to survive through the following chaos. He becomes hardened, trying his best to help people because "that's what Spider-Man would have done", and ultimately losing a leg somewhere down the line. Picture Peter's reaction when he comes home to find all his friends as normal - except Flash, who is now five years older, bigger and muscular, missing a leg and in a wheelchair. An ever present reminder of the snap and the time lost. Then you could have a post credits scene where Flash attempts to enroll in the military, when he's approached by someone with a certain "proposition" for him.

[@XProjectHunterX]

You mean ironboy jr. While I like Tom Holland as spiderman I agree the mcu version isnt the real spiderman. Hell the ps4 version is closer then the mcu version.

[@thanos7459]

Ps4 spiderman is my favourite spiderman overall

[@DeathBringer769]

PS4 Spider-man nailed it super well. Even Miles Morales in that game is pretty good.

[@TheMasterQuests]

The only time Tom Holland captured the core and essence of the character was when he was under the direction of the Russo Brothers. Jon Watts knows nothing of Spider-Man

[@DeadlyAlienInvader]

The ps4 version SHOULD have been the MCU Spider-Man.

[@sonicdash9652]

@@DeadlyAlienInvader The PS4 Spiderman is too good for commie Di$ney.

[@mudbutt234]

i hate the joke the mcu turned thor into. ruined the character for me

[@htownboss6422]

He was trash from the beginning lol

[@htownboss6422]

@@mudbutt234 yep

[@mudbutt234]

They could done a LOTR style epic instead of the crap we got

[@novamusic9803]

@@htownboss6422 nah lol he was great in the first one and was trash since Avengers 2012

[@htownboss6422]

@@novamusic9803 your opinion

[@LordCagliostro]

The MCU Iron Man Jr. is like a reality tv star pretending to be Spider-man while wearing Iron Man gear.

[@reinhartgregory]

Imagine a Batman who became Batman because he think Superman is cool instead of his parents dying.

[@hamizanyunos1502]

More like if Bruce read on the Justice Society of America like Alan Scott Green lantern who was considered Gotham's first superhero or vigilante and decided that he wants to be Batman.

[@warcroftgaming]

My son, 11, loved the MCU Spider-Man. A few months ago I got him to watch Maguire Spider-Man 1 and 2. My son can even see why MCU Spider-Man is not Spider-Man.

[@joeykuczkowski419]

I liked how he looked up to iron man and was kind of star struck by all of it. But after civil war it should have wore off and he should have began to forge his own legacy. Not literally inherit everything Tony built. Even Tony’s best friend Happy.

[@dexterroberts5569]

Joey Kuczkowski should never being looking up to that narcissistic drunk iron-man.

[@jaydenc367]

Nah what happened made sense and he did forge his own legacy. He didn't inherit everything. Eh...Happy is more just now a friend of Peter's really.

[@jaydenc367]

@@dexterroberts5569 He wasn't narcisstic in the end or was drunk.

[@JC-ec3pu]

I think it was Aydin Paladin, saying this isn't Peter Parker, its Jaime Reyes these films are more blue beetle than spiderman.

[@Onishiro]

She stopped rambling about statistics long enough to make a coherent and great point again. It's like 2016 Aydin woke up for a second.

[@Hashbrown1682]

Does the word efap mean anything to you?

[@Onishiro]

@@Hashbrown1682 Yeah but it got old quick. That's not to say I don't generally enjoy their content and channels though.

[@user-bi8bw9uu1v]

In my opinion Blue Beetle is better than mcu Spiderman.

[@forestelfranger]

@@Hashbrown1682 Didn't Rags say comics don't matter to movies which burrow some of their plots lines straight from the comics?

[@tacksgmvs2070]

I like the MCU, but Spider-Man became Spider-Man because of Uncle Ben. I don’t mind that Peter looks up to Tony Stark, but Tony Stark isn’t what made Peter become Spider-Man, it was Uncle Ben.

[@SuperEndiku]

Lifelong Spider-Man fan who despises the MCU spiderboy.

[@ironcrosstrainingltd6482]

Same

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

Same

[@DarsiPadilla]

I thought MCU Spider-Man was cool...until I read the decades worth of lore.

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

@@DarsiPadilla u thought mcu iron boy is cool?! 1but u dare to criticise my thought on Spider-man that time... Sayin "u doesn't kno anything bout spidey" even tho I read comics since 6?! Man fr u trippin!

[@DarsiPadilla]

@@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000 most of my knowledge came from the guide by Tom deFalco, the iconic 1990s TV series starring Christopher Daniel Barnes, the Raimi trilogy, and trade paperback comics grom my uncle. I had hopes that MCU Spider-Man would be good, until I looked up actual lore...and remembered the things Marvel did to screw Peter Parker over on their disgusting attempts to keep Peter Parker as some "lighthearted teenage superhero" when he character had mostly serious moments from the pre-2000s era. It felt like I got amnesia, and I slowly recollected what transpired to the point it became rage.

[@nilpointfive]

Your doggo is as upset about this as the rest of us, don’t be too harsh on him.

[@veganpower7825]

The whole time he was barking i envisioned him saying 'nah bro, you aint gotta explain ish to dem fools, think about you're blood pressure'. 😆🤣

[@robertkohnke873]

I really dont care what people say, I enjoyed Garfield's Spiderman.

[@aczeos]

You’re allowed to....that’s the great thing about having an opinion 🤣

[@ironcrosstrainingltd6482]

Me too

[@Cyrax4d]

Robert Kohnke especially Electro

[@KillianJenkins]

Because he still felt more like Spidey than Tom's

[@mozaxit2592]

@@KillianJenkins I completely agree with you.

[@RalphBednarski]

"Peter, show us on the Marvel Legend figure, where Mr.Stark touched you"....

[@O0kala]

The movies failed to show how important his Spidey-sense is. Sure, we've seen what happens to Peter's arm hair a couple times, but never how integral Spidey-sense is for his awareness. This is made worse by how reliant he is on his iron suit, instead of his instincts.

[@prodigygod1]

the latest spiderman movie did that. it was more of him developing those senses and trusting those senses. its safe to assume from here on out he will have better reaction timing to whatever is around him.

[@whfmantis]

prodigygod1 it was still trash

[@jaydenc367]

@@whfmantis No it wasn't.

[@MJProjects]

I like that Spider-Man is in the MCU BUT THE CHARACTERS in his movies aren’t what I know or grew up with I FOR EXAMPLE I like NED BUT WHERE TF IS HARRY OSBORN😐😴🤦🏽‍♂️

[@mcfry13]

Yea, 2 Spiderman movies in and no Harry or Norman nor a Mary Jane or Gwen Stacey. I'm betting its because the other 2 Spiderman franchises have used all these characters before and the MCU wants to shine the light on more spiderman villains and secondary characters. Still weird not having the most iconic villains and romances. I bet we wont get Felicia either.

[@SlickZero1028]

Agreed! I would love to see a proper MJ and Harry Osborn! But, unfortunately the MCU is too woke for that anymore! 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@LittleLightIsaOnce]

Tbh i like Black MJ just bcs i never liked regular MJ. She was always the annoying part of Spiderman imo. But i really get it when ppl find these race/gender swaps stupid. Now if they deleted MJ and put a Black Cat instead that would be NICE 😜

[@natruto]

MJ Projects find out next time on the next exciting episode of Dragon Ball Z!

[@jakkdlaw]

You have said what I have been asking for a long time.

[@mattman875]

I've always called him Tony Starks intern.

[@anubusx]

Peter Starker.

[@JoeSavySC2]

Agreed, he's not Spiderman. Not a fan of MCU's rendition of the character.

[@MK-UltraBreakdown]

My biggest beef with the new Spider-Man movie was the crummy tokenize Mary Jane

[@alexhollon7526]

Dumb MCU fan: But it's not Mary Jane! It's totally different even though THEY CALL HER MJ.

[@TheMasterQuests]

she has no personality or at least not one I would fall in love with XD

[@Onishiro]

MJ supposed to be a 10/10 wifey and that bitch ain't even a 6. But then when your soy induced Iron Boy is around a bunch of other soyboys and fat fucks then 7-10-7 syndrome kicks in HARD.

[@SlickZero1028]

TheMasterQuests Facts, I never understood why Peter would go for a girl who acts like that.

[@josesarango3408]

all of the supporting cast are tokenized characters

[@elliumsoverseer668]

You know, I’m with your dog. Marvel was Barking mad with that Iron-boy... I mean spider boy.

[@danielcraig9666]

Dude, Spider-Man is my favorite comic book character and I HATE these crappy MCU Spider-Man movies.

[@smashball]

I agree Spider-Man was his own man!! He was my favorite comic book character.

[@vee1766]

Let him grow up for christ sake ! They've said it from the beginning, the plan is to introduce a teen Spider-Man and he will grow up to be it's own man through the years.

[@cyote312ify]

@@vee1766 Exactly, I dont like how Iron Man basically made him, but Far From Home showed me that Spider-man can grow to be his own character in the MCU.On a side note I like Tom Holland as Spider-man but the way the character is being written in the MCU seems way to kiddish.

[@cyote312ify]

@Robbie Drake I agree that he should have been his own from the beginning

[@supoa9489]

@@vee1766 That's complete bullshit teen spiderman has been able to face his obstacles head on as his own character. The problem is audience what to see superheroes crossover in solo films. So Spiderman will never grow. His going to go through the same arc again with slight variation.

[@vee1766]

@Robbie Drake How the hell could he be his own man at like 15 years old... ? How does it work ? They HAD to do something different than the previous Spiderman on screen, did you seriously want him to go through the same stuff AGAIN ?

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

As a Marvel comics readers for 16 years, I really hate mcu Fanboy

[@tsukumotenshima3000]

Not to mention tying Vulture and Mysterio to Stark. I guess Norman has a grudge with him too.

[@specialbeamvegeta4059]

I mean they were the ones to steal the show. Outside of the whole Stark thing, I enjoyed what they brought to the table

[@specialbeamvegeta4059]

@Kevin Byrnes I mean Mysterio was fine as the con man with illusion powers. I was just solely not a fan of the fact that he was motivated by stark either

[@specialbeamvegeta4059]

@Kevin Byrnes I feel like Raimi’s scheme was a lot better. Goblin, Doc Ock, Sandman, then eventually working up to the sinister six along with venom in later sequels. Lizard would also be confirmed since Dr Conners is a character we see. Too bad it won’t ever happen

[@theelectricprince8231]

In the MCU everyone knows each other. The MCU is small and has poor world building

[@BalrogUdun]

Peter Parker’s character development begins with the man who raised him getting murdered in a violent crime because Peter is selfish and doesn’t act then has to deal with the consequences. Yep sounds pretty childish and like a typical teen to me. That’s what Disney has done they have turned him into everybody else instead of making him into an actual hero and making him exceptional instead of the mediocrity they push!

[@3MrNiceGuy15]

I feel this way about most of the MCU tbh. There are only about 5 movies I can legitimately sit through more than twice.

[@josephvalenzuela311]

I agree. Alot of THE MCU movies were forgettable.

[@docsavage8640]

I can't watch much past the first Avengers movie. Iron Man and Thor each had 1 good film (their first). Most of the Marvel movies are wildly overrated

[@mosthated.e.2422]

@@docsavage8640 I could only sit through phase 1 honestly

[@TheMastermind729]

Winter soldier is probably the only movie I have an interest in rewatching

[@seanbaugh3239]

Spider-Man with Tony Stark and no uncle Ben just isn't quite Spider-Man. *"NUFF SAID"*

[@that_deadeyegamer7920]

Thought I was the only one. Peter is playfully, but he has some dark ass stories and demons in his closet, they don't use any of that in the MCU.

[@weltallelite]

My biggest gripe with the Tom Holland Spider-Man isn’t Holland’s character, but more everything surrounding his character. Not one of his supporting cast is anything like anyone in the original story. We don’t need to rehash the origin story, but to take the same story and make Ben’s role about Tony Stark is kind of a slap. But most of all, Spider-Man was at his best when he was a hero who was trying to balance his normal life with his life as a hero and no one knew about it to support him. Now, he’s an Avenger, he’s got a best friend who knows all his secrets, and Happy is always pretty much a phone call away to support him.

[@miguelangelramirez8813]

They still mad about Spider-boy XD

[@micah459]

The main argument I hear when I talk about how immature and childish Peter acts in this is "he's a teenager, how's he supposed to act?" I swear that argument gets annoying

[@vee1766]

How is that annoying... ? It's completely logical. And it's the whole point, they introduced a teenage Spider-Man to let him grow up and become his own man before our eyes, they've been clear about this plan form the beginning. It's only been TWO MOVIES, so far, geez, chill out y'all.

[@michaelfireheart8300]

@@vee1766 except he acts like he's 5 and he lost Ben by this point, that should've given him a more mature side, but it didn't as Peter doesn't even acknowledge the death of his original father figure. There's a difference between acting like a teen who suffered from trauma and a spoiled child that always seems to have everything go his way. These are the massive issues of Iron Boy, especially with how Tony put a teenager on the front lines in Civil War, really makes him into an uncaring ass.

[@vee1766]

@@michaelfireheart8300 "especially with how Tony put a teenager on the front lines in Civil War" Did you miss the Civil War comics or... ? And Peter isn't acting like he's 5 in the MCU he's just inexperienced, and again, he's a high school teen dammit, he acts like a teen of today. He's clumsy, not dumb. Did y'all miss the part where he figure out Stark's tech on his own and makes a new suit all by himself... ?

[@brsubwayfc]

I expect him to act like he just came out of an intergalactic war with Thanos, returning from death itself. Surely that should make even a teenager grow up some. Him acting like a kid that didn’t go through all that is a disgrace to even their own version of Spiderman, much less his true essence of how he should be.

[@vee1766]

@@brsubwayfc "Surely that should make even a teenager grow up some" You really didn't get the point of Far From Home then... Peter is trying to move on from what happened and go back to a normal life, a teenager's life, that's the whole point and his struggle during the whole movie, with S.H.I.E.L.D behid his back all the time, the elementals thing happening, Mysterio, dealing with Tony's death... He just want to be a normal teenager. There's nothing dumb about it. He's still just a damn kid. Now, in the next movies, we'll finally get a more independant and responsible Spiderman being his own man. We're done with the introduction.

[@stereotypicalnerd4043]

They don't have to do the origin with Uncle ben. Just do a flashback, hear his voice say with great power, or have Peter mention him or have pictures of him. They don't have to do the origin story, but at least make reference to it.

[@LunarSpiral1127]

Funny thing is, in Far From Home, Peter takes luggage with Uncle Ben's initials on it. It was supposed to belong to Uncle Ben, but it got destroyed during the trip. You'd think that would mean something, but it didn't. Just an easter egg and Aunt May being dismissive about it.

[@VincentWolf78]

my thoughts exactly! they could've easily done that in one of the MCU Spiderman films.

[@Truly.Quincho]

That's so pointless though, EVERYONE knows what makes Spider-Man, we don't need to see it or even hear about Uncle Ben ever again. THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT EVERYONE SAID THEY DIDN'T WANNA SEE IF HE GOT HIS OWN MOVIE IN THE MCU

[@stereotypicalnerd4043]

@@Truly.Quincho No people said that they don't want another origin story which this is not. Believe it or not Uncle Ben is very important to the character of Spiderman so much so that every adaptation except this one at least mentions him. Spiderman after all wouldn't exist with out uncle Ben.

[@stereotypicalnerd4043]

@@Truly.Quincho I get you don't think it's important because we know who uncle Ben is, but Uncle Ben is the reason Spiderman doesn't use his powers for personal gain and any time Peter strays from being selfless he hears the famous words of uncle Ben and it brings him back. Also I don't know if you ever lost someone but even if they are gone you still think and talk about them. Uncle Ben was a father to Peter, someone who will never leave his thoughts.

[@edwinbinuya2716]

I get why people didn't want to see Uncle Ben's death a third time. But by omitting his death scene in the MCU version they eliminated the turning point in his origin. Uncle Ben's death is what shaped Peter Parker's career as Spider-Man. And to have Tony Stark as a surrogate Uncle Ben is just wrong. I love the MCU but Iron Man Jr. will never be my Spider-Man. Now there's a new generation of Spider-Man "fans" who think he's just an Iron Man sidekick of some sort. Iron Man is even plastered all over both of his supposed solo films.

[@edwinbinuya2716]

I'm glad more people are coming out and stating what is wrong with this Spider-Man. I think most "fans" of this version are nothing more than young Tom Holland fangirls who really have no inkling of a proper Spider-Man.

[@rh7474]

Im familiar with all the material and never saw him as a sidekick. He also still felt like Spiderman to me personality wise. But its true that Stark influenced him way too much. Especially since he gave him stuff to build suits.

[@tristanmireles8994]

Exactly I love mcu and Tom Holland is good in the role but the writing he gets when it comes to being iron man jr that what makes not connect to him more when he’s doing Spider-Man things then that’s when Im in invested

[@cellmate1]

I totally agree. This Peter didn’t create any of the equipment he uses. Stark made him. So this version doesn’t really show how smart he is

[@nilpointfive]

With great power, comes great social media presence.

[@alderlopezcastro4928]

"Welcome fame, he's ignored"

[@PlasticAndPages]

Normies drive me crazy.... they think that MCU spider is amazing.... when I was in school comic books lovers got picked on and laughed at and now that superheroes and other comic book properties are the trend, they think the little they have seen is the gospel, when it isn’t close to accurate.

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

Why u didn't stand up from the bullies....i remember I punch this one kid when I'm 9 y o bcs he says spidey is ridiculous

[@PlasticAndPages]

Greg Khar punching someone because they have a different opinion than you is no better than picking on someone because they like something you don’t.

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

@@PlasticAndPages but if they bully u?like they sayin something bad about ur favorite things in all ocassion,and everytime he's near u...maybe i was over reactive but..

[@PlasticAndPages]

Greg Khar everyone is entitled to their own opinion... if they don’t like that I like comics, that is their own problem. I won’t force my opinion on anyone... nor will I let them force their opinions on me.

[@santyvalens]

that sounds like personal frustration ..i grew up with comic stuff since i was 4 or so huge fan of marvel and dc, batman spider-man and the x-men and i still think mcu spider-man is amazing?

[@Pikashades]

As Ya Boi Zack said ''Hi, I'm Petey B Parker, the pathetic little Spiderboy and you're watching the Disney Channel.''

[@stonewall286]

It's like Disney is telling boys to find a sugar Stark.

[@stonewall286]

@Just Your Average Shopkeeper yup. Peter is a good guy and Tony is an asshole.

[@josephambrecht1579]

I believe disney wants non comic book fans so they don’t question the bullshit they do and causals that don’t know just think it accurate and cannon to comics

[@andrewsabina8201]

Spider-Man: "I ignored the responsibility that came with my powers and that mistake cost my uncle his life. I can never let something like that happen again." Iron-Intern Boy: "IF I IMPRESS MR. STARK THEN I'LL GET TO BE IN THE AVENGERS!!!!!!" That Venom cap is cool as hell though.

[@anubusx]

100% right Love his t-shirt.

[@jzacrack1978]

I never liked him either. It took me a few tries to get through Homecoming, and I only made it because I love Michael Keaton and Marissa Tomei. I don't think I'm gonna bother with the Far From Home one.

[@jzacrack1978]

@Goddamn 47 Toby was awesome!

[@ozboy849]

That’s what bugs me the most people claim to know or understand Spider-Man then go ahead and praise the MCU Spider-Man

[@walktown1983]

Andrew Garfield is my favorite Spiderman actor, but the first 2 Sam Raimi Spiderman movies are the best movies.

[@mikeexits]

Hot take: The Raimi movies were all just as good as the other, and people overreacted about 3. 3 Did a great job of making you feel Peter's change in character to his darker side. He was his own real villain and it was the hardest fight of his life, and it was a thrill to be a part of. I only wish Raimi got to finish 4.

[@DavidSMullerMusic]

@@mikeexits Bully Maguire is a cult hero, I hope he returns.

[@bluevegeta4565]

He really isn’t Spider-Man, the only thing accurate about him is his looks. I know that Peter has a lot of insecurities and doubts about himself, but when he’s Spider-Man talking trash with random jokes takes all of that away, and their not using his Spider senses well, and they make him look dumber and weaker than he should be. It’s why I didn’t like the homecoming movie, and the second I learned Tony made him his suit, I knew they were gonna turn him into Iron Man.jr,

[@jaydenc367]

He is Spider-Man, nope a lot of it is accurate. It doesn't take any of that away...he does that a lot in the comics. They are using it better now, and he isn't dumber or weaker then he should be. He never became Iron Man Jr though.

[@bluevegeta4565]

@@jaydenc367 bro I made this comment 3 years ago, I do not care

[@jaydenc367]

@@bluevegeta4565 Ok then

[@Jordan-xx2jd]

When I saw the Spider-Man graffiti in the Morbius trailer I had an ever so slight hope that Andrew Garfield would be coming back to the Sony universe and it was all wiped out when it showed Michael Keaton.

[@diddly-squat9332]

Honestly none of the characters act like the way they are supposed to be, in this version of Spider-Man, and I agree that he's the worse live-action movie interpretation.

[@josephvalenzuela311]

That's The MCU for you. Young

[@tysonbazzell2349]

Spiderman is my favorite character! MCU "Spiderman" isn't Spiderman. I just don't like him. I agree with the other commentor, the Sony game version is way closer.

[@raam726]

Sadly, there will be 9 Spidey films in the mcu. 7 more.

[@tysonbazzell2349]

@@raam726 Pontiac Bandit!!!!!

[@ThrghmyEyeZZ]

Andrew Garfield is and will always be Spiderman

[@huntermoss4496]

I like the MCU Spider-Man suit but NOT the movie. Marc Webb's Spider-Man is way BETTER than the Iron Man Jr!!!!!

[@alvinanis3006]

Just call him Iron Boy Jr. that's who he is

[@CultClassicCage]

What is disappointing is that I was hoping for SOMETHING along the lines of Ultimate Spider-Man given they casted Peter young, what transpired instead derailed my interest in the MCU after Spider-Man Homecoming.

[@TheMasterQuests]

The punishment Ultimate Spider-Man took wouldn't fit the MCU formula unfortunately

[@sonicdash9652]

@@TheMasterQuests Yeah, it's too good for this commie clusterfuck.

[@danielcraig9666]

@@sonicdash9652 Nothing from the Ultimate timeline was good.

[@campbellsoup93]

Hard disagree. Ultimate spider-man was fucking amazing. At least until ultimatum happened.

[@TheMasterQuests]

@@campbellsoup93 Most of the Ultimate Universe was wasted in all honesty. Ultimate Spider-Man, Ultimate Fantastic Four & Some concepts of the Ultimates were good. The good concepts of the Ultimates were transferred into the MCU. Heck there were characters I wanted to see at least an Ultimate mini series from Doctor Strange, Daredevil, Punisher, Cloak & Dagger etc.

[@BKMY215]

"Were so sick of unlce Ben" ... what, that like saying I'm so sick of Hulk becoming so through gamma radiation or Captain America with the super serum. These are there established origins but mainly these are the are a big part of who these characters are in terms of personality.

[@camron147]

BKMY 215 to be Fair, we haven’t had 2-3 different versions of the Hulk and Captain A. In a less than 15 year time span either

[@prodigygod1]

from what i got in the mcu spiderman when tony stark met him he was already doing his spiderman thing for a good min. he already went through that life changing phase. hes moved on emotionally. its like skipping an hour of what usually takes over the movie. truthfully as someone who has seen every edition of spiderman on tv im cool with it. i know that beginning middle and end phase. i dont need a flashback or any of that. sticking it in that movie wouldve felt kinda awkward anyways. he goes through growth in the mcu which is important. hes mentored by the great tony stark. he still has his "if there is someone i can save ill save them" mentality that makes him reckless along with his repeated awkwardness around his girls mj and gwen stacey. hes still a lot of what we know. we just dont get to see his transition. i think people put too much stock into checking off every box.

[@kbstreamz]

Imagine if during the Venom crossover movies we get an actual Spider-Man

[@taichi29]

I didn’t like this version of spider-man myself.

[@SpideysNightmare02]

Who is that in ur profile pic?

[@ViperChief117]

Sam Raimi Spider Man is still best incarnation of him that I’ve ever seen on the big screen.

[@htownboss6422]

Every Time Peter Parker gets on screen I want to throw up

[@Cyrax4d]

Thee best

[@ironcrosstrainingltd6482]

I have never liked this Spiderman. I can't understand this atrocity and can't believe how far they have missed the mark with him.

[@josephvalenzuela311]

This just proves how bad The MCU is.

[@robertvecchiarello4863]

I liked his relationship with Tony Stark but it got a little weird

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

I hate it...in comics they hate each other

[@Cyrax4d]

Greg Khar waaaat??

[@GregKhar-NU-Metalhead2000]

@@Cyrax4d they are

[@Cyrax4d]

Greg Khar lol plottwist of the year so fair

[@Cyrax4d]

Максим Бугаенко ironman’s arrogant ass i bet lmao

[@robstefani9853]

Peter being turned into an Iron Man/Avengers fanboy is stupid. Despite what you think of BvS, at the very least they got the proper Batman origin done and out of the way in the first few minutes of the movie. Could you imagine if Bruce's motivation was Wildcat from the JSA and not the trauma of watching his parents die for no reason? Even the ps4 version respected Uncle Ben and showed that his absence still affects Peter and May after nearly a decade. They even distanced Spider-Man from the Avengers completely, making Otto his hero and mentor and it worked a million times better than what the MCU has been doing.

[@sethduvall9786]

Thank you! You have been such a voice for us spiderman comic readers. I do these same conversations in my life all the time. Sick of the mcu disrespecting spiderman.

[@jaylee8240]

They claim that they didn't want Uncle Ben's death again, but by not having it or show it, They make Uncle Ben's death mean nothing in the MCU. Aunt May never mentions him so it look like his death means nothing. Uncle Ben is why Spider-Man became Spider-Man, not Iron Man.

[@SumDumGy_formerly_Tim_Walden]

I’ve never been a fan of this incarnation. I’ll take the totality of the precious two, in any of their respective films, over this.

[@DeadlyAlienInvader]

People kept saying that they’re tired of seeing Uncle Ben getting killed and use that as a strange excuse to avoid even mentioning him in the MCU. I, however, am tired(was that grammatically correct?)of seeing Spider-Man as a KID, and wish that John Watts has made him into an adult in his early 20’s, the age in which Peter was in the Civil War comics. If people are so sick of seeing uncle Ben die, then why don’t they just move on from Spider-Man’s origin story and focus on stories such as Kraven’s Last Hunt?

[@smith9747]

Tony Morales/Peter Starker/ Iron Man jr- fans are a good argument in favor of the so feared "gate keeping" from fandoms.

[@celestialsoldier622]

MCU Peter is nothing like Miles. Stop spreading that Bullshit around. I bet if i asked you to present a single Comic of Miles acting like a 12-year-old Bitch like Tom Holland Spider-man you couldn't do it.

[@chickennuggetmaster3602]

Celestial Soldier I never really understood where the comparison to Miles came from

[@josephvalenzuela311]

@@celestialsoldier622 Miguel O'Hara FTW!!!!

[@pizzatime4204]

@@josephvalenzuela311 we need a spiderman 2099 game

[@samuelkohi2534]

@@chickennuggetmaster3602 ned Leeds in the MCU is Ganke from Ultimate Spiderman.

[@MrSteve8511]

Thanks for talking about the complete arrogance of these producers! Imagine the awesome characters we all could have seen in these movies if they referenced the source material!!

[@thanos7459]

I will never understand how people like ironboy. That will never be spiderman. I liked andrew Garfields spiderman the best personally

[@Proudtrekkie96]

I liked him more that Toby and Tom.

[@DeathBringer769]

Tobey was the best for me. The PS4 Spider-man was excellent as well.

[@micah459]

Because they don't read comics and try to do anything to defend the MCU

[@robertkohnke873]

@Joe Dirt I like Toby, but Spiderman 3 ruined it.

[@Onishiro]

Garfield's Spider-Man was decent as he sounded more confident but he was a little bit of a dick and was terribly written as Peter. I like Maguire the most but Garfield isn't trash like Holland.

[@JenniferMcMahonhawaii78]

Cause, you view him as Iron-Spider-Boy; what’s hard to understand. Like he’s not even Spiderman from the 90s late 90s animated cartoon-like, there’s no facsimile there. Ps: Toby Spidey Forever!

[@DesOttsel]

He’s not even ultimate spider-man

[@BalrogUdun]

DesOttsel please don’t remind us about that.

[@commandercorner5575]

Correct; he's the Spider-Man from the original comics. The very first Lee/Ditko run. They even had Vulture as the first villain to signal that they were taking the character from his oldest iteration to build him up into the Spider-Man he becomes.

[@Noname-ut1ye]

@@commandercorner5575 His first villain was the chameleon in amazing Spider-Man #1. Check your sources. The mcu Spider-Man is nothing like the Lee/Ditko Spider-Man.

[@commandercorner5575]

@@Noname-ut1ye Although Chameleon appears in the second story of the first comic, Spider-Man doesn't actually face him. The first villain Spider-Man faces is the Vulture. EDIT: But thanks for proving my point. I'm guessing you just googled who Spider-Man's first villain was but couldn't even be bothered to read a synopsis? Way to prove that I'm right about you not having read the original comics.

[@svart_kors]

Totally agree. This is my least favourite version (i don't like him period) of screen Spider-Man of all time. That includes the far superior Nicholas Hammond version.

[@docsavage8640]

Hammond Spidey is a lot of fun.

[@SergeantCurmudgeon]

I thought he was OK in Civil War. Sad, steep decline after that.

[@SergeantCurmudgeon]

Same goes for Black Panther

[@sonicdash9652]

@@SergeantCurmudgeon Another great character ruined by commumist tramps.

[@turkeylurkey2575]

agreed

[@josesarango3408]

The only movie I liked MCU Spiderman is Civil War, you're right

[@demgreens]

Only thing I liked about that movie, to be honest.

[@kaijusoshingeki7214]

It’s Spider-Man in name only. They changed so much about not only him but Aunt May and the rest of his story that it seems like it’s satirical.

[@robstefani9853]

The only thing they got right was his name and homemade web shooters. That's sad.

[@WhoDat1829]

This spiderman is actually funny. Unlike maguires. He doesn't constantly cry like maguire. He isn't too cool like Garfield. I liked Garfields performance the most. But i like the writing the mcu has for Spiderman the most. I see why ppl dont like ironman being so important to spidey in the MCU. It doesn't bother me tho. Im not a normie but i haven't been into comics for a long time. Put whatever label you want on me. I get the same feeling from this spidey as I did when i was a kid. I get it for different reasons. But the same feeling nonetheless. And I'm perfectly ok with that

[@supoa9489]

@@WhoDat1829 The problem is Spiderman is not funny, everyone else around him is funny. Once you make majority of the cast into quip jokester's it takes away from his uniqueness.

[@WhoDat1829]

@@supoa9489 disagree

[@frenchyoathbreaker4095]

making aunt May a hot MLF is just plain stupid.

[@LunarSpiral1127]

There are many problems with MCU Spider-Man, and the one that I hate is how almost everything about him is revolved around Iron Man. His suits? Made by Tony. Sure, he makes his own suit but that's still with Stark tech. His villains? Didn't feel like they were Spider-Man's own villains. They were connected to Tony because he screwed them over in some way and Peter is caught in the middle having to clean up his mess. Uncle Ben? Practically non-existent and is replaced by Tony as his mentor/"father-figure". Also, I'm sick and tired of hearing the Stans saying that Peter's the next Iron Man when he's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE! He's supposed to be Spider-Man, his own hero. Not Iron Man. Especially when there are other characters in the MCU that can take the mantle.

[@MensGroomingAdvice]

I've always looked at Spiderman as a youngster who beat the villains because of his increased agility and strength, his humour and his heart. He didn't need a self-aware "instant kill" mini-Ironman suit and the ability to call in tactical strikes from orbit. I'm a big fan of the MCU but have a limited experience of the original comics. I hate to think how much this Ironman-light annoys the longterm comic fans.

[@theterbear9915]

Yeah i never liked Tom Hollands Spiderman. He doesn't act like Peter Parker. He's not smart till the plot needs him to be. He just pines over Tony Stark wanting him to be his daddy. Most accurate representation I've seen was on Sonys Spiderman game.

[@kaijusoshingeki7214]

Spider-Man was always the mascot of Marvel Comics, like their Mickey Mouse. His face is even on the corner of hundreds of Marvel Comics he isn’t even in. Having him look up to Iron Man the way he does is extremely emasculating to his importance in Marvel.

[@theSting7279]

I couldn’t agree more with u brotha. Spiderman is my favorite character. I have hundreds of comics. But the mcus portrayal is the absolute worst. There’s nothing about him that shines spiderman. Andrew Garfield in my opinion was the best onscreen version. The Mcu version took every single thing that makes spiderman away. I friggn hate it. I get people were tired of the uncle Ben thing but to not even mention him is bullshit. That’s just one of many errors on this version

[@ddog22]

The Sting Garfield was the worst version lol

[@mattmac5758]

You're saying exactly what I've been saying since his introduction in civil war. If they really wanted to do it right, they should have made him at least college age. And flash Thompson is a herb in these movies

[@douglasbagwell9467]

Spidey started out 15 you twit. He went through high school through the sixties. Flash should have been larger because of his military history which gives him his redemption, but the writers didn't seem to realize his importance

[@ferderonhurgeron9263]

@@douglasbagwell9467 No, he started out when he was born, just like any other person, fictional or otherwise. Ohyeah, let's be polite... asshole.

[@IRREGULARMAN]

It’s just Spider-Man, SJW style! I mean it’s obvious they’re building this character around various minority groups in order to be inclusive and reach some type of mass appeal. It’s totally ridiculous of course, Because he’s an important character anyway, only needing to be portrayed canonically. All this extra shit is like putting feathers on a butterfly because it might look more beautiful.

[@tylerhansen931]

Tom didnt build himself up and still isn't worthy of being Spider-Man, he was gift wrapped everything and has countless other people to fall back on when he cant handle the consequences. A pathetic Spider-Man

[@Sable2322]

You give zero examples. He was gift wrapped nothing. And who exactly were these “countless of people” he fell back on.

[@tylerhansen931]

@@Sable2322 his suit is literally a gift from iron man and his billions of dollars of other equipment and AI just given to him. He also has run to fury and iron man numerous times, ran to Strange when life got a little tough instead of dealing with it. Glad they finally took all his toys and allies away. Only took 5 films.

[@batshineman174]

One of the main points of Spider-Man is literally that he never had anyone teach him anything about being a hero. The MCU completely shredded and danced on the pieces of that concept the moment they made Tony Stark/Iron Man matter so much to Peter and have such a big impact on his life.

[@suproliver]

I, also, have long said that the MCU Spider-Man is really "Spider-Boy." Or "Iron Boy." So, I wholeheartedly agree with you. And I know Tom Holland Spider-Man is popular. Especially with the normies. But I do believe there are more us out there than is known that don't consider Tom Holland Spider-Man who Spider-Man REALLY is. -OG

[@killiandw]

As a huge spider-man fan going back as far as I can remember seeing what they did to spider-man hurts and is a disgrace to the spider-man I know and love

[@RedBlurr]

The lack of uncle ben isnt the problem, the lack of his influence on peter is

[@Unkn0wn_189]

Exactly

[@Sable2322]

The lack of influence on Peter regarding to… what? Uncle Ben from the source material?

[@RedBlurr]

@@Sable2322 regarding his sense of responsibility to do the right thing even if it costs him, either way none of that matters anymore since mcu spider man finally seems to be going on the right direction with the last movie

[@Sable2322]

@@RedBlurr Peter was very selfish through his entire high school experience, and didn’t necessarily fight crime because it was the right thing to do for about the first 3 years of being Spider-Man. It took him a bit to fully mature into the Spider-Man we know today…. kinda similar to how the MCU handled Spidey’s origin through character development over the course of a trilogy. Weird how nobody saw this and jump the gun lol

[@brentoutashape9141]

When you see the boxes and boxes FULL of comic books in his room, you have to know you will lose the argument.

[@thecloudcrusher1094]

Totally feel you on this one bruh. It really struck a chord with me when you talked about how the things that were once for a niche group, have suddenly become Pop Culture. Which of course is fine, but like you, I've gotten into too many arguments about various genres because I have a wide knowledge base with regard to the history (being an old fan who did lots of research) and the only thing the "nu-fans" can reference is stuff the movies/TV have shown. Since I was young, I was always into the comic books, games and sci-fi genres. But since this big push over the last 20 years or so, and how all "geek" things are being forced to change to "fit in" with this neo-culturalism, I can't enjoy those things I once loved anymore, because it is NOT recognizable to me. Point in reference, in high school (mid-90s) I got bullied, beat up and made fun of because I was really into Star Wars, comic books and gaming. But now, because the MCU/DCU, Star Wars sequels and "nerd culture" are being over-popularized, I feel its a bit hypocritical that the same people who used to torment me about loving these things back in the day, are now "the biggest most die-hard fans". It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth and really to see these characters/genres being transformed so completely from their source material that I just can't allow myself to share in the enjoyment. I mean that's just my take man. Keep up the good work with these videos and streams. You're shining a light that is surely needed in these times.

[@KillianJenkins]

INTO THE SPIDER VERSE DIALOGUE 2.0 Peter B.Parker: for me it was my uncle Ben Noir: for me it was my uncle Benjamin Gwen: for me it was my best friend Peni Parker: for me it was my dad MCU Peter: for me it was uhhh Tony

[@thatbadmuthafucka2626]

I like the MCU, but I feel that they don't need to make changes from the source material. There doesn't need to be race and gender swapping. Monica Rambeau doesn't grow up idolizing Carol Danvers and Spider-Man doesn't come up under Tony Stark.

[@PHOENIXTURF]

Sony needs spider-man back because mcu don't know how to use the character they made back in the 60s and forget how important ben real anty may not sister may and make him a real story ark

[@uxm4life94]

"spider-man is for everybody" "comics are for everybody" - Except evidently comic fans who actually supported these characters all along, made them what they are and care about their characterisation. Making the characters accurate and appealing to a wider audience don't have to be mutually exclusive.

[@MikeHawk04]

Yes! He started off as a great Spider-Man, then Iron Man happened.

[@wetboy40]

In the comics Peter made his webbing and web shooters himself. In the Tobey movies his webbing was organic and part of his powers. In the Andrew movies he made his web shooters but got the webbing from the Biocable Development unit at Oscorp. In Tom's movies he made the web shooters and webbing himself but got an upgrade from Stark.

[@Sable2322]

Yes….. because a character’s accuracy is based solely on the superficial elements and never the overall spirit of the character…. That’s what I’m getting here.

[@majidwahid7793]

Removing Uncle Ben from Spider-Man is the same as removing Batmans parents death from Batman. Uncle Ben is the key for Spider-Man to be a hero. They dont need to show the death, they could have shown a picture with a monologue, or a gravestone, or him crying in his room because of missing him. As Stan Lee said, Spider-Man is a hero that everyone can relate to. He has so many problems but wanting to be an avenger is not one of them. He is poor, never gets the girl, is bullied physically and verbally, is always trying to balance his life and not make Aunt May worry. The whole Ironman thing was thrown in for no reason. Why doesn Spider-Man need to be tutored by Ironman? Spider-Man is a better, more moral and fleshed out character. This new Ironboy jr is just a kiddy movie with bangs and flashes and new costumes just to sell toys.

[@spicytoast921]

It's still not as bad as what the MCU did with the Hulk. They massacred that character

[@ki7966]

What movie did it for you for the Hulk? For me it was the fight vs Thanos in Infinity war. Most would say the end of age of ultron, or the whole movie in general

[@spicytoast921]

@@ki7966 Age of Ultron for me. The fact Hulk lost to Iron Man by getting punched on the side of his head lol. I get it's Iron Man's universe so he had to win, but I hate how he lost like that tbh

[@ki7966]

@@spicytoast921 yeah very one sided writing

[@fieryvengeance2795]

Totally agree with how normies are suddenly the biggest comic book geeks now that the movies are popular. I remember being told i was too big to be reading comics etc as a teen lol

[@OGMrWayne]

Nothing so true has ever been uttered " Its Almost a curse to knowledgeable on the Comics" Even in the animated series ( Amazing Spiderman) he had nothing to do with Tony Stark.

[@SlickZero1028]

I swear these idiots have never seen or played Spider-Man PS4. They never once showed Uncle Ben, or better yet made a character model for him. They merely mentioned him in a conversation with Aunt May. That’s what the MCU should have done. But completely ignoring him, therefore ignores the impact he had on Peter’s life.

[@life0093]

Spider-Man is my favorite hero. When Peter said he’s nothing without the suit in Homecoming, I just cut the blu ray off.

[@KingNazaru]

The real Spiderman was in the Amazing Spiderman movies.

[@808Slush]

The mcu does absolutely ZERO justice to peter parker.

[@LibertyLocalizer]

How does mcu Spidey not act like Spider-Man? Because they gave him a new relationship? Everything deeper than that is Spidey. He's awkward with girls, he's goofy, and he struggles with the responsibility of being a superhero. Iron Man didn't "make" Spider-Man, he just gave him a new suit.

[@Easy-Eight]

100% agree with your statements. I had the impression of Parker that he was a motivated man who got bad deals out of life. However, Parker arises above it all and is a pretty good character. Before 1997 he was one of the greats. His wife was a babe, he supported his widow aunt, he managed to pay for grad school, got an undergrad in chemistry, and worked a part time job as a photographer. Damn! He was good. Now it's just a hang on of Iron Man.